10 Inch Vertical Output Shaft Part 1
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ต.ค. 2017
- This two part video will be about another large gearbox shaft I recently machined at work. This shaft is a vertical output shaft that is used in a high corrosive environment. There was deep corrosion on several of the journals, as well as the 32MM keyway on the coupling end was stretched. Material used was 4140 heat treated, quenched and tempered.
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Adam, as much as I love watching all you videos, I still think the best part of every one of them is the picture of you and you Dad and Grandfather at the end. Love it man.
+Badgermatt75 2016 Thanks!
I agree, it touches me every time I see it as well.
Those hands...
I have to agree the picture of 3 generations side by side touches me too.
Been a machinist for 45 years, on the desk side of the shop now, love my Saturday fix to watch the chips fly. Thanks for another great video.
My wife, Karin and I just had dinner, patés and baguette with a 2005 St. Emillion and we watched you whittle down that big ol' block or rusty metal. The best Saturday evening we've had in months. Your videos are so perfect it's really a delight to watch them. Thanks so much. I really appreciate your taking the time to write down feeds, speeds and DOCs, etc.
Bruce Boschek I wish my wife was as cool as yours. If I showed my wife this, she’d watch for 30 seconds, say “That’s nice honey” and walk away. Well done sir
+Bruce Boschek You have a cool wife Bruce! Glad to hear your guys enjoy some Abom over some fine dining.
Andrew Lang - my wife would do exactly the same. :)
Andrew Lang
Yeah, mine goes in the other room and watches a hockey or football game.
Some women....
My Mrs wouldn't let me anywhere near the Saint-Emilion, especially 2005!
Another great video. I know it's more editing work but I think the tool specs and cut specs on the screen really give it a more professional feel
+Sam C Thanks, done by popular request
This is what I enjoy most on your channel the chips, shiny metal,smoke, and oil.The aroma of Industry I fondly remember from my days as an metal engraver.Enduring humidity, heat,and cold. Hot chips stinging when they find flesh.The sound of H S S taking its bite,Carbide hurtling chips of bronze, chipping the paint off the block wall like so many miniature missles
+Joseph Wilson Well said! I enjoy it all just the same.
You know, when you watch the videos of how they rough forge these shafts it always amazes me that they're so accurate since they all seem to be working by eye.
It's great that you can film at work again happy you and the boss could work something out to do so...
Like the tip about recutting the center with the compound after your swap ends. I learn something from all of your videos. Thanks!
+John Collins That’s important with shaft work on the lathe. Good to use if you weld up the end of shafts also.
Man! You gotta be the Gravy King of Pensacola. Every week a video of heavy stock removal with nothing to do but dial in, pull the clutch, shovel chips, and work crossword puzzles. Productivity combined with nap-time. Criminal seniority.
Nice discussion of inserts, feeds and speeds, stock removal, chip control etc. Buckshot chips are a PITA. Funny how a little change in chip breaker design makes the difference between a gentle cascade of chips down onto the carriage wing and a high velocity fountain broadcasting chips in a seven foot circle.
Back when dinosaur crossings made me late for work, the tool pedlars used to flood the shop with "carbide calculators." These were specialized plastic coated card stock slide rules with scales and windows on which work parameters were set-up and feeds, speeds, RPM, etc were read out for machine settings. They also had brief tables charting material reccomendations, carbide grades, coatings, etc. Super convenient after a little practice and they fit in a shirt pocket. I'm good at mental math and a pocket calculator but these little slide rule gizmos were so much quicker and convient and they'd give you a half dozen data points for three input parameters. I retired with a 4" stack of them now long gifted away. Are these still offered? Would they be a topic for a video segment?
You have a good ear for machine loading if I'm any judge but a load meter (am I nagging?) takes all the guess work out of maximizing a machine tool's stock removal. You got 15 horses? Put 'em to work. You can buy a cheap multi-function digital ammeter complete with a current transformer on eBay for $10 - $20. Thread a motor lead through the current transformer and run low Volts DC to the meter. Poke the button until the display reads Amps. They may not be super accurate but your electrician can compare its reading against his good one and give you a correction factor.
I just love watching big turning... big lathe=chip chunker.. small lathe=sliver slinger LOL. I fit in the second category... I have learned a lot from you, Thanks!!
Your videos always make me wish I had been a machinist. Thanks, Adam!
You are the Michelangelo of the machine shop! It's a pleasure to watch the pride you take in your work.
I like the shot of all the chips changing colors from the heat
Another great video and such a pleasure watching a professional working. Thanks Adam.
Hello, love your videos. The part I love most is when the tool cuts into raw rusty unturned metal, the way it cuts into the rust and you can see how the piece is not turned true and how it has lowspots. Keep doing what you're doing, hope you're feeling better with your legs.
Looks great thus far, you have inspired me to experiment with feeds & speeds lately, the chips have been a huge improvement on my end. Thx
15:40 The torturous sound of metal bending to the will of Abom.
I like how fast paced this is. Thanks for the video Abom.
Looks like a perfect addition to the Heavy Metal Machining series.
11:54 Machinist Calc Pro. Awesome calculator. I got mine a couple years ago, and later upgraded to their newer version Calc Pro 2 about 8 months ago. The layout is slightly different on the version 2 model, but still does the same things plus a couple of newer features thrown in. I've also got the updated android app for my smartphone. Both of which I use pretty much on a daily basis in the shop or office. Makes figuring out a starting point on speeds and feeds childs play. Our shop has a few users that are notorious for just throwing something up on the mill or lathe and running it at whatever rpm and feed the last person used it at. I hammer down that the inserts aren't cheap for a pack of 10. I printed out formulas for them to figure it out properly, only to get complaints it was too complicated. I bought a few of these calculators for the shop and finally some started using them. A great machinist calculator.
+Marv I’ll check it out.
Great work as always. Thanks for sharing!!! Look forward to all your videos.
It's kind of fascinating, watching this big piece of raw steel being shaped into a shaft,pulley,gear whatever piece of machinery is required. Most people just don't have any idea what kind of skills it takes to keep society running. Excellent work Adam, as always Ben
Thanks for taking the time to video your work.
Absolutely adore watching these ol' ladies work hard
Love watching those chips fly! Thanks.
Really like the panoramic view! It gives the full scope of the work to be done on the project. Great content....*as usual Adam!*
Just a lot of work that goes into those gearbox shafts, enjoyed the video and the experiment with the inserts
You would have loved this old Monarch lathe we had at work years ago. Numerous times the old man who ran it was taking 0.500"-0.750" per side and that old machine never skipped a beat. It was also "slightly" larger with a 5 foot swing diameter. :P
I like how you show length measurements. I'm spoiled with a DRO. Im going to try your method on my next shaft job. Thanks.
Dude, love watching the big project videos :) Makes me miss machining from the 1990's :)
Thanks Adam. Awesome machining.
As ever - watching huge quantities of stock removal is impressive! A real "blue chip" process :)
nice to see some footage at your work again, heavy machining is the bomb.
Good job as always, an art your job is
I never considered how much material ended up in the chip bin until I started watching machining videos. That's close to half the billet in some of your jobs. Impressive amounts of metal removal. I'm not saying you should provide it but it would be interesting to see where some of the shafts you make end up in operation. That's heavy metal! Happy to watch it happen. Thanks!
+nothermark If I could travel to the locations and be given access to film I would.
Am very impressed with the way u setup the work piece and the tool. I pick up alot of things watching your video, i wish i will work in your best company one day
So that's how they get stickers off.
+Michael Magill You mean how machinists get stickers off
Well, that Josie Maran hand lotion stuff works pretty good for removing stickers as well.
Eucalyptus oil takes the sticky residue off like magic.
+R.C. Whitehead Well played
Dear Adam: GREAT video, I really REALLY like the graphic detail you put in about the metrics, e.g. SFM, RPM, etc. It helps me validate what Im doing right and reevaluate when I'm significantly different--thanks! BTW, it takes real balls to power tap these shafts......and some ABOM skill. I would probably twist one off and spend the day digging it out.....way cool!
WOW...
I think the best expression would be "Accurate metal art" beautiful...
When I turn large Dia, shafts like this and the chips are coming off like when you first started to cut , even cutting .020” less depth can make a big difference, also I often move the tool in the tool post as a different angle of attack can also make a big difference . Nice job your doing , enjoying watching your videos from one Manual machinist to another. 👍
Woah! the old Pacemaker was pulling hard with that 432 insert. I think was as relieved as the Pacemaker when you called time and switched to your trusty Iscar!
You got some really good shots and lots of good info jamed in here.Really good video Adam, I enjoyed it. Thanks. Steve Summers
+Steve Summers Goad you enjoyed Steve
Steve, what do you think about Adam's new shaper? That thing is a hoss, huh?
At 3:50 THE ABOM TORQUE !! Great videos Adam . Awesome when a new vid comes out !! THANKS
THANK YOU , Adam . From a dedicated viewer .
Thanks for another Saturday.
Hi Adam. When I was working maintenance at a welding shop about 12 years ago. I brought a horizontal mill back to life that looked a lot like the one you were using. After I made it rise from the dead they realized there didn't have anyone in the shop that could use it. So it just sits in the corner getting more rusty. Just like me.
Bill from Seattle.
That's moving some serious metal! Nice work, sir.
TZ
these heavy metal removal vids are so awesome!
I used to work for a firm a lot like motion in the uk. I left that to work in maintenance for the gas industry. I’ve got a home workshop now with lathes and a miller but still miss the big stuff seeing a big lump of steel on the machine shop floor used to get me up in the morning. We made the mixer for toblerone chocolate I still tell people I made the shafts it runs on complete with 2.5” bsp left hand internal thread for the steam ports
Great work Adam, enjoyed!
ATB, Robin
Awesome work there mate.
Great video!👍
I dig the machining. I machined crankshafts for John Deere, Cummins, Cat and others. I would personally use a continuous stream of coolant.
That's a nice 10 inch vertical output shaft you've got there.
That's what she said.
I'll show myself out.
A new work video.......yea! Been a while since you were able to do a full one.
The shaft king!
Serious metal! cool stuff Adam
+Phil's Projects Thanks Phill
GREAT VIDEO !!
Interesting to see how the design of the chip breaker insert is so critical as to the direction that the chips fly off at.
I recognize the 4140 scream , getting it to chip is a pain depending on heat treatment condition, anything above condition P is annoying but it always gives a great finish
Some serious metal removal in this series Adam
Range is hot. Eyes and ears !
Making that lathe earn its keep! awesome
Great skill indeed
I was going to say that it sounded like it was struggling a little before you dropped the speed rate and how happy I was to have my earphones on hahaaa I'm a div watching milling with headphones on.
Looking at the original shaft, you'd think with how expensive the piece is (not to mention the cost of downtime), there would be safeguards in place to keep it lubed and protected from such terrible corrosion.
great share man , The chips are AWESOME ! just not flying up .. LOL.. Thanks ..
That must have taken time to set up un the lathe.. 👍👍 intimidating big cutting
muito bom seu trabalho,,,,,,
Adam great video thanks for taking the time that is involved with putting such a video together. Which brings me to my question about how many hours does a big shaft like this take to make? I'm guessing 8 hours so far. Keep up the great work, thanks again for all you do.
Nice!!
Hi Adam, I really like these workplace projects and I am glad they allow you to show them. Have you ever "saved the bacon" by using a video file as reference? I am sure you get the odd repeat job that might benefit from a review. Cheers bro!
the chips are beautiful :O 18:27
I was worried the sticker was going to be too much for the cutting tool when you faced the other end.
I love your videos. The machining and information you share is a treat. But, what always leaves me hanging is. Where do the parts belong when you finish? I would love to see a video or a photo of where the parts you machine belong. Gives a meaning to an end. Keep the videos coming!
+Sloth I don’t get to see the parts installed in the field. Most of them from work are for paper mills and heavy industry.
That 10in diameter makes a noticeable difference on how hard it pulls the lathe over that 8" one you did a while back. I never tripped the overload protection on My Monarch until I was turning on the outside of a 16" piece. I was trying to take a cut like I would on an 8" and it would have none of that!! lol
+bcbloc02 Yea man, that’s some surface feet. I’m happy with the 1/2” passes but depending on the diameter I have to change the feed around a bit.
If the load today sounded worse that the same the other day - it might be the power company has browned out the power lines giving you lower voltage
and thus lower current. Larger current to start and less power all of the time. They also can brown down so much lights don't trigger on. Take care. Good job.
time to put a bigger motor on the lathe hah
+Max Maruszewski I need that 30 HP heavy duty model
How many HP/kW does this model have? Will it eventually switch off when the motor overheats?
Nice one. :-)
Interesting cyclic sound as you're turning the big end, sounds like the bar has a harder section off centre .
Do you ever fear you'll cut too much , just because it's cutting so well and h ya just don't wanna stop' :-)
Ты просто красавчик!
How many speakers were destroyed while watching the video? 😄😄
Good Video like ever. 👍👍
Fascinating and impressive in metal removal. Is it possible to know, roughly, the initial cost of the 'raw' 10" shaft and also to know to percentage of metal removed for the new shaft ? Many thanks PS
damn heavy metal
Regarding the gentlemen at the end of this Video . The Gentleman in the center Is a ringer for my Dad. He lived to the age of 103 . The resemblance is amazing !
Adam. Hi. Thank you for mentioning hearing protection. Hope you don’t mind my saying that I hope you are as conscientious about hearing protection as you are about eye protection. Enjoyed the video. Be well,
+Richard Scott Richard I use my ear plugs all day everyday. I do that in my own account.
Good thing to hear. Or in a few years you can also hear the cricket choir of tinnitus like many of us old farts....
Great video! Why do you drill center holes on the machine? You can prob save some time and just drill them by hand! :) I think they don't need to be in the dead center cause you've got material to take off anyway.
Iscar COMG, aka the "Right - No More Screwin' Around" tool... XD
+Brand-X Yep!
I was 10 minutes into this video and was just about to ask if that was 4140 or 4150 by the looks of the chips and finish. I happened to click "SHOW MORE" on your video notes and got my answer. :-)
Guys just asking .. i overhaul rotary compressors and sometimes the shafting with the gear leaves marks .. do i need to heat the gear even more or its just normal ? Thanks
And btw Abom79 really love your workpiece
I giggled when you faced off the sticker
What's that shaft on the back side of the lathe for? I'm guessing some kind of power rapid traverse for such a long machine, maybe?
how can you machine heat treated and tempered steel? that stuff is hard a hell
10 Inch Vertical Output Shaft? Thats what she said!
Glorious chips
Adam, nive video as always, How long does it took you to acheive the piece as you have it at the end of the video ?
Hi Adam what do you do with those chips? Good video man
super boulot !!
(j ai juste du mal avec les "inch " :)
eric from France
Maybe you can show how to adjust the tail stock if you cut a slight taper........ just for the guys that are new to machining
ohh fresh barstock or at least looks like its just brought in and virgin based on the fact it has a lable on it, time to make from scratch, do you ever use diamond tipped insert cutters, or is it not really a thing in machineing beside carbide inserts?
also what is the differance between a regular ruler and a machinests scale? just curious is it more markings on the machinest scale?
Have you ever dropped a shaft on the floor? I put the chains on a big plate wrong in my time as apprentice, so it collapsed when i lifted it. I put the chains to wide. But got out from under it before it collapsed.