"You came." "You called." "He must be punished. I cannot allow him to go free." "Why because i was once yours?" "Because he hurt you." I have lost count of how many times I have watched this and it melts me each and every time. Despite how much they hurt each other in their parting, their love never died.
I love how when the writer confronts her afterwards u can catch her smile ever so slightly once she hears that he’s having nightmares now when he accuses her of giving him them cause she knows that means ex-hubby is already working on freeing her by going after and messing with him. And maybe she slightly smiled cause she still wasn’t totally sure if dream would actually help her or not because of how he use to be and even she tells him something about how he’s changed, how the old him would’ve left her to be imprisoned there forever. I mean look at what he did to poor Nada who he condemned to hell forever just cause she rejected him!? Yeah the old him was a huge AH lol but thankfully after everything he’s really grown & matured
I like how dream just gets progressively more pissed off as he was conversing with this mere mortal, finally snapping when after being blind to Calliope's plight he then insults Dream, a literal god, by trying to bribe him.
Dream is one of the endless while he is worshiped as a god he is actually more powerful then them gods need worship but dream will exsist as long as there are mortals who dream
The way he says it. "Because he hurt you." So cleanly stated, in a tone that suggests he's slightly astonished that she'd think his reason would be anything other than such a simple fact.
What I like most in the adaptation is that Dream is giving Calliope space. Not only physically but also in her mind, giving her the choice what to do with Madoc. As she revealed at the end of the episode: "You have changed, Oneiros. In the old days you would've let me rot for eternity without moving a hair." Dream has changed over the course of his imprisonment in the waking world and seems to be more understanding than he used to be. You can see that he has softened and still has some affection towards her.
It should be understood that He wouldnt have helped her not because he wanted to be cruel, but rather because he is a stickler for rules and as far as the laws were concerned, as Hecate pointed out, she was lawfully bound
Death has a role to play in his growth from my understanding as well death is the only one of the endless who actually cares for people or really understands them and that death is actually very loving and idk i just love that death is really the only one that feels for us until death teaches some of the other endless like dream.
@@junesmind7325 Yes, but he still loves her, is angry about her enslavement, and wants to make amends on some level. She knows she is bound, but he is able to abide her request... And does so, fueled by his emotions, in abundance. Then he too sets her free.
It kinda reminds me of Klaus and Hayley in The Originals. They have a child together but aren't in a relationship. Despite that, they have such a deep respect and affection for each other. Klaus would literally murder anyone to protect Hayley. He'd bow for no one, except to save Hayley's life.
My mom is divorced, it’s the same way between her and my older siblings father. The love and respect is still there but the romantic connection is gone.
Nope. Calliope is not related to the Fates. Before the birth of Calliope and her sisters, the Fates represented the Three Original Muses: Melete, Mneme and Aoede (ladies of Meditation, Remembrance and Song, respectively).
They may be immortal god like beings but there’s still something very real and relatable about their relationship. A once happily married couple who lost their only child and then separated because neither of them could handle their grief. Then despite all the previous animosity and the time that has passed they still care deeply about each other. It’s both very beautiful and sad.
“Are you going to call the police?” I love in that moment when Dream says Maddoc’s full name, he realises this isn’t some emo robber, this is somebody from Calliope’s world and a being on a whole other level of power. He knows Dream isn’t going to the police, he’s just saying whatever comes to his mind to help him cope with the fact that his fate is already sealed because of whoever this mysterious man is. And when he tries bribing him, that’s pure denial of the reality of the situation, before he finally accepts he’s screwed and gives his honest answer that he needs Calliope. But by that point, it’s too late…
I have a theory about why Madoc couldn’t come up with ideas of his own after his first novel. He no longer cared about writing for the sack of putting words out there, but instead cared more about the praise and adoration. He let his ego get ahead of a well written verse.
it looks like they don't really explain what dream does to him in this scene. he basically fills his mind every second of every day with the most immaculate ideas possible, and then he forgets them within seconds. in the book he is trying to write them all down, but they are slipping through his fingers before he can. he is writing in his own blood by the end. he slowly goes mad from doing this as he stops sleeping. he likens it to staring at the most beautiful paintings and then watching them get destroyed because you can't paint them fast enough and they vanish.
I love that the one thing that remains constant is that if Dream falls in love with you, it’s basically for forever. He will love you till time itself melts everything away and still love after that, he just cares too deeply, even thru everything he’s been.
"Are you gonna call the police?" "No. I will not call any HUMAN agency." A flag could not have gotten any redder than it did with that comment, how the hell did Maddock not realize what he was about to get into if he did not comply immediately?
"I'm calling the police; do you know who I am?" "I know precisely who & WHAT you are, Richard Madoc." The mix of surprise, shock & worry on Richard's face should have made him think 'something is not right here; I have not told this person my name & yet he knows about my secret.' He should have freed Calliope right then & there but alas, he foolishly tried to defend his actions.
Just like when he tried to defend himself, saying he "needed ideas" to someone who was clearly NOT human, who knew the Muse that he had trapped, and who thus had powers he had no idea about. And even tried to BRIBE such an entity. He dug his own grave deeper with each word.
Here rise to life again, dead poetry! Let it, O holy Muses, for I am yours, And here Calliope, strike a higher key, Accompanying my song with that sweet air which made the wretched Magpies feel a blow that turned all hope of pardon to despair - Dante, "Purgatorio", Canto I, lines 7 to 12
when your ex is like he hurt you he will be punished. and when the abused individual informs you that you upset a being so powerful that he was feared for millennia you sir are screwed!
"Well... If its ideas you want, then you shall have them in abundance" is such a cold fuckin line coming from the lord of dreams towards a writer crying over writers block lmao
Rory Williams... What are you doing?! The Doctor is going to be so disappointed in you! I'm not even going to touch on how upset Amy will be. On another note, i freaking love Sandman. Only saw the first season and i don't have Netflix anymore. This was a great scene anyway!
Is it just me that see Richard regretting what he did to calliope once she mentioned she had a son. Like Richard was civil to Calliope, outside of freeing her, before he started to view her as an object or means to an end but once he learned that she had a son, he could no longer dehumanize her in his mind. Now I'm not saying this to excuse what he did nor am I condoning it but simply sharing my opinion on his reaction.
This episode paired with the recent allegations against Neil Gaiman hits different, particularly the accusation that he threatened to evict a single mother of 3 if she didn't give him sexual favors.
I think, at least for me when I was reading the comics, this scene truly told me what kind of a person Dream is. When a woman who has been raped for a century says "don't take revenge on me, just help me escape", you need to take two steps back. She knows what Dream will do and still asks him to be merciful.
I wonder… on the show, they made it sound like Orpheus is dead. And it got me a bit confused. Did they change it for the show?? SPOILER ALERT He’s supposed to be alive, as a severed head. Dream is meant to kill him, and get on the Kindly Ones bad side. It’s important for plot reasons, so I don’t get it. I heard rumours of them having someone in mind to play Orpheus in the next seasons. So… will they just tell his past story for no reason at all, or will they actually keep the original material from the comics?? Because if they do, they referring to Orpheus being dead doesn’t make any sense. Unless… he is alive, but Calliope doesn’t know. That would make more sense. Like, she thinks he died “for his sacrilege”, torn apart, and iada iada iada When actually, Dream recovered his head just like the comics, and will take his life in the future, out of mercy. I mean… how else will he find Destruction?? And why would they mention the favour Constantine had done for him in the past?? (Which was, to recover his son’s head, that was lost at the time.) It’s giving me a headache.
in the myths, Orpheus died after failing to save his wife, Eurydice, due to failing the test of Hades apparently, Orpheus was mangled and beheaded by some "drunken nymphs" (maenads, followers of Dionysus) his lyre survived and turned into constellation Lyra well, at least if he's dead, he finally got to reunite with Eurydice in the afterlife
well, being torn apart and left as a head isn't necessarily alive, especially in the measure of quality of life. i kinda wondered, from what i can remember, in the context of the sandman universe, if orpheus lived a normal life, maybe he'd have died a normal man. his pursuit of eurydice by going to the underworld is what specifically changed him - him being a child of the endless is part of what allowed him to power through his fated journey (in comic terms, it unlocked his demigod powers). that he fails is why he ends up torn to pieces. a man with an otherworldly musical talent and a sentient head are two very different types of alive. calliope, from my impression of her character, would've wanted orpheus to not journey to reclaim eurydice from the undead, and would rather morpheus talk him out of it. morpheus not intervening and letting it happen is part of the tragic flaw in his personality. that orpheus's mortality was killed is why he's acknowledged as dead. that should be a distinction i hope you understand. on a meta level, idk if it was around when you commented, but since they're shooting more episodes, one of the scenes from orpheus's part in the story was being shot some months back - the one on the beach.
The woman is the muse Calliope. Dream, as per Greek mythology, was her husband, but they were estranged since Orpheus' trip to the Underworld and have not spoken since then. The other man (played by Arthur Darvill) is Richard Madoc, who has been holding Calliope prisoner and raping her in order to treat his writer's block. Dream, confronting Madoc, learns that he's afraid to let her go as he won't "have ideas" without his continued use of her. Dream then duly tells Madoc that, for his crimes, he shall have ideas "in abundance." I won't spoil exactly what that means, if only because it's tremendously satisfying in context and you should really watch the episode yourself if you can.
You can tell that despite their bad history, Dream and Calliope still love one another
❤❤❤. But dose she know about Nada 😰😰😰😰
It wasn't even really a bad history between them. It was the death of their son that broke their relationship
Deeply and that's the pain of the situation
@@DJGOGSTOWN doesn't matter. They're no longer together. Though Nada didn't deserve her fate.
@@ShoppingBored definitely not. Though the story behind there relationship has very complex ending
"You came."
"You called."
"He must be punished. I cannot allow him to go free."
"Why because i was once yours?"
"Because he hurt you."
I have lost count of how many times I have watched this and it melts me each and every time.
Despite how much they hurt each other in their parting, their love never died.
😍😍 yess
I love how when the writer confronts her afterwards u can catch her smile ever so slightly once she hears that he’s having nightmares now when he accuses her of giving him them cause she knows that means ex-hubby is already working on freeing her by going after and messing with him.
And maybe she slightly smiled cause she still wasn’t totally sure if dream would actually help her or not because of how he use to be and even she tells him something about how he’s changed, how the old him would’ve left her to be imprisoned there forever. I mean look at what he did to poor Nada who he condemned to hell forever just cause she rejected him!? Yeah the old him was a huge AH lol but thankfully after everything he’s really grown & matured
I like how dream just gets progressively more pissed off as he was conversing with this mere mortal, finally snapping when after being blind to Calliope's plight he then insults Dream, a literal god, by trying to bribe him.
Dream is one of the endless while he is worshiped as a god he is actually more powerful then them gods need worship but dream will exsist as long as there are mortals who dream
@@WardNightstone When a mortal deals with entities beyond their comprehension, the definition of "god" becomes irrelevant.
@@WardNightstone even a celestial dreams, a dream of heaven.
Dream is more then a god, he is a concept older then time
@@leehuberty7903 no he is not older than time. His daddy is literally time
- He must be punished. I cannot allow him to go free.
- Why? Because I was once yours?
- Because he hurt you.
I MELT.
The way he says it. "Because he hurt you." So cleanly stated, in a tone that suggests he's slightly astonished that she'd think his reason would be anything other than such a simple fact.
You came. You called. Such a love confession. 😍
What I like most in the adaptation is that Dream is giving Calliope space. Not only physically but also in her mind, giving her the choice what to do with Madoc. As she revealed at the end of the episode: "You have changed, Oneiros. In the old days you would've let me rot for eternity without moving a hair." Dream has changed over the course of his imprisonment in the waking world and seems to be more understanding than he used to be. You can see that he has softened and still has some affection towards her.
It should be understood that He wouldnt have helped her not because he wanted to be cruel, but rather because he is a stickler for rules and as far as the laws were concerned, as Hecate pointed out, she was lawfully bound
Death has a role to play in his growth from my understanding as well death is the only one of the endless who actually cares for people or really understands them and that death is actually very loving and idk i just love that death is really the only one that feels for us until death teaches some of the other endless like dream.
@@junesmind7325 Yes, but he still loves her, is angry about her enslavement, and wants to make amends on some level. She knows she is bound, but he is able to abide her request... And does so, fueled by his emotions, in abundance. Then he too sets her free.
They shared a son, they respect one another, and they care about one another, I dunno if it's the same as love but it's more reliable for sure.
It kinda reminds me of Klaus and Hayley in The Originals. They have a child together but aren't in a relationship. Despite that, they have such a deep respect and affection for each other. Klaus would literally murder anyone to protect Hayley. He'd bow for no one, except to save Hayley's life.
My mom is divorced, it’s the same way between her and my older siblings father. The love and respect is still there but the romantic connection is gone.
the literal definition of "Abundance" is Never ceasing
The way he says it is glorious
Just realised that the Fates were Dream's former in-laws haha
Which makes the Kindly One's wrath kinda hypocritical.
@@Beerbottles123not really, they aren’t blood related.
Calliope is the Muse of Poetry so his Sister-In-Laws are the other Muses.
😂me too
Nope. Calliope is not related to the Fates. Before the birth of Calliope and her sisters, the Fates represented the Three Original Muses: Melete, Mneme and Aoede (ladies of Meditation, Remembrance and Song, respectively).
the use of the music to emphasize the severity of the moment was so well done
i was looking for this comment. the wooshes, the tinkering church bell sounds are soo good
They may be immortal god like beings but there’s still something very real and relatable about their relationship. A once happily married couple who lost their only child and then separated because neither of them could handle their grief. Then despite all the previous animosity and the time that has passed they still care deeply about each other. It’s both very beautiful and sad.
“Are you going to call the police?”
I love in that moment when Dream says Maddoc’s full name, he realises this isn’t some emo robber, this is somebody from Calliope’s world and a being on a whole other level of power. He knows Dream isn’t going to the police, he’s just saying whatever comes to his mind to help him cope with the fact that his fate is already sealed because of whoever this mysterious man is. And when he tries bribing him, that’s pure denial of the reality of the situation, before he finally accepts he’s screwed and gives his honest answer that he needs Calliope. But by that point, it’s too late…
I have a theory about why Madoc couldn’t come up with ideas of his own after his first novel. He no longer cared about writing for the sack of putting words out there, but instead cared more about the praise and adoration. He let his ego get ahead of a well written verse.
I just love the bored expression that Calliope gave Maddoc at 4:01
it looks like they don't really explain what dream does to him in this scene. he basically fills his mind every second of every day with the most immaculate ideas possible, and then he forgets them within seconds. in the book he is trying to write them all down, but they are slipping through his fingers before he can. he is writing in his own blood by the end. he slowly goes mad from doing this as he stops sleeping. he likens it to staring at the most beautiful paintings and then watching them get destroyed because you can't paint them fast enough and they vanish.
I love that the one thing that remains constant is that if Dream falls in love with you, it’s basically for forever. He will love you till time itself melts everything away and still love after that, he just cares too deeply, even thru everything he’s been.
"Are you gonna call the police?"
"No. I will not call any HUMAN agency."
A flag could not have gotten any redder than it did with that comment, how the hell did Maddock not realize what he was about to get into if he did not comply immediately?
The words, the aching for what once was, the wisdom, omg these two
Dam Morpheus is very badass
"I'm calling the police; do you know who I am?"
"I know precisely who & WHAT you are, Richard Madoc."
The mix of surprise, shock & worry on Richard's face should have made him think 'something is not right here; I have not told this person my name & yet he knows about my secret.' He should have freed Calliope right then & there but alas, he foolishly tried to defend his actions.
Just like when he tried to defend himself, saying he "needed ideas" to someone who was clearly NOT human, who knew the Muse that he had trapped, and who thus had powers he had no idea about. And even tried to BRIBE such an entity. He dug his own grave deeper with each word.
“It’s too late to let any of that concern you now” *chills
Love that he’s lit moonlight, she in sunlight.
You have met Morpheus. AWESOME!!
My god what happened to Orpheus their son was just heartbreaking 😢
I literally cried in the ending scene of ep.11, When I watched this video, BOI I WANTED TO CRY AGAIN
Calliope morpheus ❤❤
Cringe
His punishments are crazy and I would NOT wanna get on his bad side 😬
Here rise to life again, dead poetry!
Let it, O holy Muses, for I am yours,
And here Calliope, strike a higher key,
Accompanying my song with that sweet air
which made the wretched Magpies feel a blow
that turned all hope of pardon to despair
- Dante, "Purgatorio", Canto I, lines 7 to 12
when your ex is like he hurt you he will be punished. and when the abused individual informs you that you upset a being so powerful that he was feared for millennia you sir are screwed!
It's Kassandra from Assassin's Creed Odyssey
which movie Achilles???
@@ElviraDeMarchi no its a videogame
How a couple can separate remaining friends.
Ironic that the guy is played by Arthur Darvil (Aka Rory Williams cause Dream would respect the level of love Rory has for his wife Amy)
o don't really understand 😔
@@ElviraDeMarchiits a doctor who reference
Right?! I spent the whole time screaming, "Rory, no! Amy, come get your man!"
OMG it's Rory.
Clara is in there somewhere too 🙂
@@aliciakerr7639 And the 10th Doctor 😊 (though only briefly)
@@mmgringoire2David is in it?!!! Where!
Very small cameo. He and Georgia are the voice of the couple who own the main kitten@@Batman-ro9mj
* It's evil Rory now.
"Well... If its ideas you want, then you shall have them in abundance" is such a cold fuckin line coming from the lord of dreams towards a writer crying over writers block lmao
Omg, I love Tom, he's perfect 😭😭😭😭❤❤❤
Rory Williams... What are you doing?! The Doctor is going to be so disappointed in you! I'm not even going to touch on how upset Amy will be.
On another note, i freaking love Sandman. Only saw the first season and i don't have Netflix anymore. This was a great scene anyway!
I remember watching the whole season but I can for the life of me not remember this episode.
it was a "bonus" episode with a cartoon mini episode at the beginning
@@Gingawhitus thx will check it out
He sounds like a man who hates his freedom...
So that’s where that’s from 😂
Is it just me that see Richard regretting what he did to calliope once she mentioned she had a son. Like Richard was civil to Calliope, outside of freeing her, before he started to view her as an object or means to an end but once he learned that she had a son, he could no longer dehumanize her in his mind. Now I'm not saying this to excuse what he did nor am I condoning it but simply sharing my opinion on his reaction.
OMG it's Kassandra
This episode paired with the recent allegations against Neil Gaiman hits different, particularly the accusation that he threatened to evict a single mother of 3 if she didn't give him sexual favors.
omg? lemme check
I guess he was always writing what he knew
He was writing his truth
It's even more creepy when you realise Neil Gaiman's middle name is Richard.
Damn so he represents Richard Maddox
Neil Gaiman being a predator just makes this hard to watch.
This look on 02:02 is terrifying 2:02
I think, at least for me when I was reading the comics, this scene truly told me what kind of a person Dream is. When a woman who has been raped for a century says "don't take revenge on me, just help me escape", you need to take two steps back. She knows what Dream will do and still asks him to be merciful.
She sounded like cassandra from AC Odyssey
For those who play Assassins Creed: she is the voice actress of Kassandra.
Didn't dream condem his human love to eternal damnation
I wonder… on the show, they made it sound like Orpheus is dead. And it got me a bit confused. Did they change it for the show??
SPOILER ALERT
He’s supposed to be alive, as a severed head. Dream is meant to kill him, and get on the Kindly Ones bad side. It’s important for plot reasons, so I don’t get it. I heard rumours of them having someone in mind to play Orpheus in the next seasons. So… will they just tell his past story for no reason at all, or will they actually keep the original material from the comics??
Because if they do, they referring to Orpheus being dead doesn’t make any sense. Unless… he is alive, but Calliope doesn’t know. That would make more sense. Like, she thinks he died “for his sacrilege”, torn apart, and iada iada iada
When actually, Dream recovered his head just like the comics, and will take his life in the future, out of mercy. I mean… how else will he find Destruction?? And why would they mention the favour Constantine had done for him in the past?? (Which was, to recover his son’s head, that was lost at the time.)
It’s giving me a headache.
Calliope doesn’t know that Orpheus is still alive because Dream hasn’t told her yet
in the myths, Orpheus died after failing to save his wife, Eurydice, due to failing the test of Hades
apparently, Orpheus was mangled and beheaded by some "drunken nymphs" (maenads, followers of Dionysus)
his lyre survived and turned into constellation Lyra
well, at least if he's dead, he finally got to reunite with Eurydice in the afterlife
@@firxanza5172 in the comics it’s similar, except the head survived and Orpheus became immortal only lacking a body
well, being torn apart and left as a head isn't necessarily alive, especially in the measure of quality of life. i kinda wondered, from what i can remember, in the context of the sandman universe, if orpheus lived a normal life, maybe he'd have died a normal man. his pursuit of eurydice by going to the underworld is what specifically changed him - him being a child of the endless is part of what allowed him to power through his fated journey (in comic terms, it unlocked his demigod powers). that he fails is why he ends up torn to pieces. a man with an otherworldly musical talent and a sentient head are two very different types of alive. calliope, from my impression of her character, would've wanted orpheus to not journey to reclaim eurydice from the undead, and would rather morpheus talk him out of it. morpheus not intervening and letting it happen is part of the tragic flaw in his personality. that orpheus's mortality was killed is why he's acknowledged as dead. that should be a distinction i hope you understand.
on a meta level, idk if it was around when you commented, but since they're shooting more episodes, one of the scenes from orpheus's part in the story was being shot some months back - the one on the beach.
I feel his pain 😢
the daughter of kratos the god of war
Is that Rory from Dr who?
Arexall his padt gilf friends locked up somewhere.
Did he punish the other man who had her before?
He poisoned himself
Can someone explain this to me??
The woman is the muse Calliope. Dream, as per Greek mythology, was her husband, but they were estranged since Orpheus' trip to the Underworld and have not spoken since then. The other man (played by Arthur Darvill) is Richard Madoc, who has been holding Calliope prisoner and raping her in order to treat his writer's block. Dream, confronting Madoc, learns that he's afraid to let her go as he won't "have ideas" without his continued use of her. Dream then duly tells Madoc that, for his crimes, he shall have ideas "in abundance." I won't spoil exactly what that means, if only because it's tremendously satisfying in context and you should really watch the episode yourself if you can.
I’m not a comic reader but to add on Caliope is the muse who represents/ inspires epic poetry which is what he means by he needs her to write
What punishment dream give to the guy?
Can someone please explain why their son has to die? 😢
what are you going to do to him?
-whatch me 😍
What the man taking from calliope?
He abused her to take the ideas for the book 😢. If you watch the chapter you will need to guess because they don’t want to say or show
im sorry but what the fuck is this? this was not in the show. did season 2 drop without me knowing?
This was the show. You didn't finish watching the entire Season.
This episode was added a while after the rest of them