These days I often re-watch you guys' old livestreams and feel grateful to all four of you for not giving up on people who consider themselves far from the political process, myself included. And for trying to deliver the new in much fun and easier way.1325? how would I ever know what that even means without your explaining it using easier terms. I just wanted to say thank you all for leading and guiding not just myself but more and more of people to find their their ways to get involved, and allowing us to feel that we are being part of this democratic process. It feels great.
Beto should've run for Senate again. I hate to be an armchair strategist, but just contrast how comfortable he was running against Cruz with how worn out and disinterested he seems from running for the nomination to take on Trump. Not only do we need senators, but we need Beto as one of them. I think Julian Castro feels the same way and wanted to goad him into reconsidering his decision during the debate.
It doesn't matter which member of the same US corporate media asks the questions when they do not understand this president or how to cover him. Americans are too ignorant to understand authoritarianism even when it's right in front of them, decades in the making. Amazing.
The more I hear Warren, the more I like her. She's really winning me over...she was in my top three, but now she's my number 1. Admittedly, that could change by March 3, 2020 when I'll be casting my primary vote.
@Tommy Vaughn Nice out-of-place-princess-bride-reference. Warren has been fighting against big banks and for the little guy for her whole career. If she's not authentic then no one is. And certainly not Flip-flopping, lying, cheating, stealing, trump.
@Tommy Vaughn Oh, please! No one really gives a shit about the Native American thing do they? Admittedly, I didn't know about her being a republican before, but nothing suggests to me that the change of party was anything other than a genuine change of mind. It's not like liberal economics were popular in the mid 90's so you can hardly accuse her of weather-vaneing.
Most of the candidates seemed like they were trying at every moment to insert prepared talking points into the discussion, with some efforts smoother than others since their comments didn't always match up with the questions. Even Harris often felt like she was overacting a bit. I have to say that Mayor Pete never comes off like this even though I recognize some of his lines from previous speeches. He addresses the question directly and thoroughly and seems very knowledgable and sincere. He didn't engage in any fights but he looks like he has the right temperment to handle Trump and the job. I like to imagine what it would look like to have Pete being articulate and earnest on the issues and Trump being all dumb and Trumpy.
Yes. Every "answer" began with a resume, typically followed up by an attack on every other candidate (even though they agree on most everything), then the least controversial comment one could make as a closer (for instance: "we shouldn't steal kids away from their parents then lock them up" followed by applause from the fucking useless audience - get rid of the audience!). This is part of why I've always been so disinterested in debates specifically, and politicians in general. They refuse to speak with any clarity.
Yep. One thing I've noticed is just how politician-ey they all come off as. One thing Trump did well, by accident, is he dispensed with the politician speak and talking points. He's an idiot so he says dumb stuff but ppl like that. I think Harris has moments where she is authentic, Pete and Booker as well.
Yang getting media attention for not wearing a tie and having his mic cut is the realest "Donald Trump of the left" thing that could have happened. Im flabbergasted.
I liked Yang until this debate...he's not commander in chief material, sorry. Though, I have to be completely honest, he kinda lost me when he proposed paying for his proposals with a value added tax...I'm just not a fan of the VAT. Warren has MUCH better ideas with regard to funding her proposals.
"That's, that's enough talk for now lads, there's dirty work afoot." 🎶Brave Sir Biden ran away. ("No!") Bravely ran away away. ("I didn't!") When policy reared it's ugly head, He bravely turned his tail and fled. ("I never!") Yes, questioning morality came about And gallantly he chickened out. ("You're lying!") Swiftly taking to his feet, He beat a very brave retreat. Bravest of the brave, Sir Biden!🎶🎶
Kams is truly a stone cold assassin. The perfect foil to trap Trump in debates. I think Liz vs Pete should be the VP debate (I lean towards Liz based on policy)
I think we are all overestimating the importance of debate performance when it comes to beating Donald Trump. Hillary won her debates with him remember? We left those debates thinking that 2016 was going to be a slam dunk. All that matters is that we pick a candidate who can get the base out to vote! that means no Gillibrand, no Klobuchar, no Deblasio and no Biden! I think Berni, Warren, Pete and Yang have the best chance.
hard to discount harris as well though.. (can't help thinking that dang, whoever gets president [everything-willing WH goes democrat come 2020pleaseplease (or worstcasescenario bill weld's probably survivable too; just nomoretrump pleasepleeaase)] oughta just snag half these folks for cabinet where relevant/ideal tho; everyone else for senate/guvnorships where not already democrat seats..?)
@@eiryuu I like her well enough, but this is about who can win against trump after winning the primary. As cathartic as it would be to watch her tear into him the way she tore into Biden, I think positive messaging will work better than "trump bad" in the general election.
@@eiryuu Don't get me wrong, the DNC could pick Barney the fucking dinosaur and they would still get my vote. I just think that independents and disengaged voters are exhausted from all the anti-trump stuff and might just tune out a message they've already heard one million times before. We as democrats need to pick someone with a vision for the future. Not someone who's best argument is "Trump sucks and I'm not him."
I love you guys, but I don't know why you all are so adamant about keeping private insurance?! You're not going to have good health insurance until you remove big business from it. Please interview Adam Gaffney from PNHP and learn why Medicare for all is the way!
Sen Harris DID call VP Biden a racist. Any sentence with a BUT means the opposite. She said: I don't believe you are a racist BUT you praise racist people, hang out with racist people and supported racist position. I came to the debate interested to know about Sen. Harris, no more. It was a horrible character assasination.
Skipping the Democratic Convention in California and instead talking to wealthy donors about how nothing will change if he becomes president is far from "being with the people". Good luck Joe.
As a native Texan, I was disappointed in Castro, and he's still not getting any traction with me. I don't completely agree with him on immigration code 1325 and thought the Crooked Media crew brought up excellent points in retort to Castro's proposal (like executive orders to end family separation and mass detention). It seems to me his conflation of 1325 with family separation is just a political ploy with no real substance.
Something that wasn't specifically mentioned was Marianne Williamson's save of Pete having to answer Swalwell's attack asking him why he hasn't fired the police chief. I think Pete was cornered on this and may not have had a prepared answer for it but Marianne chimed in with some random nonsense and saved the day.
Honestly, I don't even know why she is running and, as a Texan, I'm embarrassed she is originally from my home state. I didn't know much about her prior to the debates and she completely tanked my viewpoint of her with her rainbows and unicorn nonsensical comments. She just came across as someone who was tremendously stoned, illogical, and, quite bluntly, stupid. I have no problem with stoners, but she is not someone I would ever vote for. She needs to drop out.
Honestly Swalwell didn't deserve an answer to that dumbass request lmao. Pete sunk him without saying a word. It was obvious that Swalwell didn't do his research on the situation.
We will need some Republican votes. Those disappointed in Trump may vote for Tulsi rather than hold their noses and vote for him again. There is no other democrat they would consider.
I think Booker displayed an authenticity that people are craving. If you don't know what they are talking about, you felt most compelled to the way Booker talked about things.
Yeah, I don't particularly care for him and sometimes he comes off as phony... But all politians do at some point. But he does speak well and has a great personality. He's confident as well. I def think he has a shot.
TULSI 2020! Saying "....dines with a dictator..." and then your comment about Tulsi and Putin (framed as if she aligns with him) are unfair. It's part of her job, Gabbard has served for over six years on the Foreign Affairs Committee and the Armed Services Committee where she's been intimately involved with sensitive, national security issues. It's better to talk with adversaries and use diplomacy, which is what Tulsi did. Take another look at Rep. Gabbard and do a bit more research, 'cause she just might be our next president. She has my full support!
You're right, Bernie needs to make the argument that a public option lacks the universality required to work. If most of the people buying into Medicare are sick, and healthy people stick with private insurance, then Medicare will become insolvent and Republicans will shit all over it. Single payer works best when it's truly a single payer--when rich people have to use it, they make sure it's good enough for them. If it's good enough for them, it's probably good enough for everyone else. Single payer maximizes buying power, reduces stigma, and spreads out the risk pool. In my opinion, a public option is doomed to fail and will not lead us to Medicare For All. It's tough to make this argument in a 30-second sound bite, but Bernie needs to figure out how.
Right, and Medicare is very expensive for that reason. It's reasonable to assume that sick people would buy into Medicare via a public option because it'd be cheaper for them, while healthy people would stick with private insurance because it'd be cheaper for them. This could undercut Medicare and doom it to failure. Additionally, I fear that the best doctors and hospitals would choose to not accept Medicare. Another thing to consider is that a public option does not guarantee health insurance to everyone, thus many people are left uninsured or underinsured. Single payer needs to include everyone in order to gain the most bargaining power and cut out the waste, fraud, and inefficiencies of the current system. A public option may be politically expedient, but I'm really worried that it would negate the benefits of a true single payer system and leave us in a worse place than we are now.
She's honestly too far into the future. The Humans of today don't understand her and just laugh🤭 But she an old soul and the disparagements just roll off of her
Her response to the most important thing she would do as President was that she'd call up New Zealand and tell them that we're better than them. If anything, they aren't harsh enough; she's fucking awful.
I like Williamson also. She lost me with her closing statement about love, but I was very impressed with her breakdown on the other issues that need to be address when moving to Universal Healthcare like current food policies, big pharma, environmental issues, the list goes on. And what went wrong with Obama's approach. A comprehensive approach needs a comprehensive solution. However unfortunately I don't think she has chance with opposing Trump. I understand all the points she was making, I think she is stigmatized because of her past and will remain the butt of jokes, sad.
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These days I often re-watch you guys' old livestreams and feel grateful to all four of you for not giving up on people who consider themselves far from the political process, myself included. And for trying to deliver the new in much fun and easier way.1325? how would I ever know what that even means without your explaining it using easier terms. I just wanted to say thank you all for leading and guiding not just myself but more and more of people to find their their ways to get involved, and allowing us to feel that we are being part of this democratic process. It feels great.
Beto should've run for Senate again. I hate to be an armchair strategist, but just contrast how comfortable he was running against Cruz with how worn out and disinterested he seems from running for the nomination to take on Trump. Not only do we need senators, but we need Beto as one of them. I think Julian Castro feels the same way and wanted to goad him into reconsidering his decision during the debate.
I mean hes only running for president this time so people dont forget about him for 2024 or 2028
@@reng7280 MJ Hegar is great! But is she a Latina?
THESE guys should have moderated the first debates.
It doesn't matter which member of the same US corporate media asks the questions when they do not understand this president or how to cover him. Americans are too ignorant to understand authoritarianism even when it's right in front of them, decades in the making. Amazing.
@@youisabum crooked media isn’t rly corporate media tho
Warren was the most authentic.
The more I hear Warren, the more I like her. She's really winning me over...she was in my top three, but now she's my number 1. Admittedly, that could change by March 3, 2020 when I'll be casting my primary vote.
@Tommy Vaughn Nice out-of-place-princess-bride-reference.
Warren has been fighting against big banks and for the little guy for her whole career. If she's not authentic then no one is. And certainly not Flip-flopping, lying, cheating, stealing, trump.
@Tommy Vaughn Oh, please! No one really gives a shit about the Native American thing do they?
Admittedly, I didn't know about her being a republican before, but nothing suggests to me that the change of party was anything other than a genuine change of mind. It's not like liberal economics were popular in the mid 90's so you can hardly accuse her of weather-vaneing.
These poor guys need to work on their posture.
Most of the candidates seemed like they were trying at every moment to insert prepared talking points into the discussion, with some efforts smoother than others since their comments didn't always match up with the questions. Even Harris often felt like she was overacting a bit. I have to say that Mayor Pete never comes off like this even though I recognize some of his lines from previous speeches. He addresses the question directly and thoroughly and seems very knowledgable and sincere. He didn't engage in any fights but he looks like he has the right temperment to handle Trump and the job. I like to imagine what it would look like to have Pete being articulate and earnest on the issues and Trump being all dumb and Trumpy.
Yes. Every "answer" began with a resume, typically followed up by an attack on every other candidate (even though they agree on most everything), then the least controversial comment one could make as a closer (for instance: "we shouldn't steal kids away from their parents then lock them up" followed by applause from the fucking useless audience - get rid of the audience!).
This is part of why I've always been so disinterested in debates specifically, and politicians in general. They refuse to speak with any clarity.
Yep. One thing I've noticed is just how politician-ey they all come off as. One thing Trump did well, by accident, is he dispensed with the politician speak and talking points. He's an idiot so he says dumb stuff but ppl like that. I think Harris has moments where she is authentic, Pete and Booker as well.
@@SchulzEricT yes. Either no audience or they must be completely quiet. Anyone applauding or booing gets kicked out. They waste time.
..stick em all behind a glass wall for seenbutnotheard, ermagawd, T__T"### wrt audience
Don't sshhh Pundit. Let her speak.
“What are they gonna do, throw crystals at you” 😂
Pass the torch !
Pass the torch 🤣🤣🤣
Pass the torch!
Yang getting media attention for not wearing a tie and having his mic cut is the realest "Donald Trump of the left" thing that could have happened. Im flabbergasted.
I liked Yang until this debate...he's not commander in chief material, sorry. Though, I have to be completely honest, he kinda lost me when he proposed paying for his proposals with a value added tax...I'm just not a fan of the VAT. Warren has MUCH better ideas with regard to funding her proposals.
"That's, that's enough talk for now lads, there's dirty work afoot."
🎶Brave Sir Biden ran away. ("No!")
Bravely ran away away. ("I didn't!")
When policy reared it's ugly head,
He bravely turned his tail and fled. ("I never!")
Yes, questioning morality came about
And gallantly he chickened out.
("You're lying!")
Swiftly taking to his feet,
He beat a very brave retreat.
Bravest of the brave, Sir Biden!🎶🎶
Use it to set fire to his dabate notes.
Comedy not your forte, I take it.
The League of Women Voters did a much better job running the debates. Want them to come back instead of leaving up to journalists.
Marianne made Bernie look like a centrist. That's not easy to do.
Or refrain pass the torch with, "Vice President, I'm standing on this stage ready to carry that fire forward, are you?"
They will attack Lovett with HUGS
He might die
I looked up Designing Women to check out their cadence and now I can't turn it off. Everybody should drawl more.
Earnest Egg yes they made fun of her accent but it’s kinda soothing Hahha I didn’t hate it. It was nice compared to everyone else’s hard accents.
Kams is truly a stone cold assassin. The perfect foil to trap Trump in debates. I think Liz vs Pete should be the VP debate (I lean towards Liz based on policy)
I have to admit, I was on the fence about Harris, but she's getting my attention now.
I'd like to see Mayor Pete debate VP Mama’s Boy Pence.
I think we are all overestimating the importance of debate performance when it comes to beating Donald Trump. Hillary won her debates with him remember? We left those debates thinking that 2016 was going to be a slam dunk. All that matters is that we pick a candidate who can get the base out to vote! that means no Gillibrand, no Klobuchar, no Deblasio and no Biden! I think Berni, Warren, Pete and Yang have the best chance.
Yang is terrible. No personality and no policies except one.
@@blakeb9964 he literally has hundreds of policies UBI is just his main one
hard to discount harris as well though..
(can't help thinking that dang, whoever gets president [everything-willing WH goes democrat come 2020pleaseplease (or worstcasescenario bill weld's probably survivable too; just nomoretrump pleasepleeaase)] oughta just snag half these folks for cabinet where relevant/ideal tho; everyone else for senate/guvnorships where not already democrat seats..?)
@@eiryuu I like her well enough, but this is about who can win against trump after winning the primary. As cathartic as it would be to watch her tear into him the way she tore into Biden, I think positive messaging will work better than "trump bad" in the general election.
@@eiryuu Don't get me wrong, the DNC could pick Barney the fucking dinosaur and they would still get my vote. I just think that independents and disengaged voters are exhausted from all the anti-trump stuff and might just tune out a message they've already heard one million times before. We as democrats need to pick someone with a vision for the future. Not someone who's best argument is "Trump sucks and I'm not him."
I really hope Michael Bennett makes a run in these next few months. I think his policy proposals are spot on
I love you guys, but I don't know why you all are so adamant about keeping private insurance?! You're not going to have good health insurance until you remove big business from it. Please interview Adam Gaffney from PNHP and learn why Medicare for all is the way!
Sen Harris DID call VP Biden a racist. Any sentence with a BUT means the opposite. She said: I don't believe you are a racist BUT you praise racist people, hang out with racist people and supported racist position. I came to the debate interested to know about Sen. Harris, no more. It was a horrible character assasination.
Orange tie was for the Stoneman Douglas or some other guncontrol thing
If Pete can't manage a city, how is he supposed to run a country?
I love Pundit
Skipping the Democratic Convention in California and instead talking to wealthy donors about how nothing will change if he becomes president is far from "being with the people". Good luck Joe.
24:02 "stay in our echo chamber" - this quote pretty much sums up this entire panel lol.
I see that head nod to Elijah after the Dayenu line.
As a native Texan, I was disappointed in Castro, and he's still not getting any traction with me. I don't completely agree with him on immigration code 1325 and thought the Crooked Media crew brought up excellent points in retort to Castro's proposal (like executive orders to end family separation and mass detention). It seems to me his conflation of 1325 with family separation is just a political ploy with no real substance.
Why is this blocked in the US youtube? Using a VPN just to see it.
For real? I always use VPN services, so it's easy to forget how insanely prevalent that dumb shit is.
Brisket tacos. Good call. Just back from Dallas.
1:10:05 Oh I love this guy.
Something that wasn't specifically mentioned was Marianne Williamson's save of Pete having to answer Swalwell's attack asking him why he hasn't fired the police chief. I think Pete was cornered on this and may not have had a prepared answer for it but Marianne chimed in with some random nonsense and saved the day.
Honestly, I don't even know why she is running and, as a Texan, I'm embarrassed she is originally from my home state. I didn't know much about her prior to the debates and she completely tanked my viewpoint of her with her rainbows and unicorn nonsensical comments. She just came across as someone who was tremendously stoned, illogical, and, quite bluntly, stupid. I have no problem with stoners, but she is not someone I would ever vote for. She needs to drop out.
He's addressed it before and has no problem stating facts🥴
Honestly Swalwell didn't deserve an answer to that dumbass request lmao. Pete sunk him without saying a word. It was obvious that Swalwell didn't do his research on the situation.
Best in my mind over two night Tulsi and Pete
We will need some Republican votes. Those disappointed in Trump may vote for Tulsi rather than hold their noses and vote for him again. There is no other democrat they would consider.
Simpler times. Jesus
I think Booker displayed an authenticity that people are craving. If you don't know what they are talking about, you felt most compelled to the way Booker talked about things.
Yeah, I don't particularly care for him and sometimes he comes off as phony... But all politians do at some point. But he does speak well and has a great personality. He's confident as well. I def think he has a shot.
Straws
TULSI 2020!
Saying "....dines with a dictator..." and then your comment about Tulsi and Putin (framed as if she aligns with him) are unfair. It's part of her job, Gabbard has served for over six years on the Foreign Affairs Committee and the Armed Services Committee where she's been intimately involved with sensitive, national security issues. It's better to talk with adversaries and use diplomacy, which is what Tulsi did. Take another look at Rep. Gabbard and do a bit more research, 'cause she just might be our next president. She has my full support!
Corporate Cory.
You're right, Bernie needs to make the argument that a public option lacks the universality required to work. If most of the people buying into Medicare are sick, and healthy people stick with private insurance, then Medicare will become insolvent and Republicans will shit all over it. Single payer works best when it's truly a single payer--when rich people have to use it, they make sure it's good enough for them. If it's good enough for them, it's probably good enough for everyone else. Single payer maximizes buying power, reduces stigma, and spreads out the risk pool. In my opinion, a public option is doomed to fail and will not lead us to Medicare For All. It's tough to make this argument in a 30-second sound bite, but Bernie needs to figure out how.
I suppose. But everyone on Medicare now is sick. Public option would work best as a transition Single Payer.
Right, and Medicare is very expensive for that reason. It's reasonable to assume that sick people would buy into Medicare via a public option because it'd be cheaper for them, while healthy people would stick with private insurance because it'd be cheaper for them. This could undercut Medicare and doom it to failure. Additionally, I fear that the best doctors and hospitals would choose to not accept Medicare. Another thing to consider is that a public option does not guarantee health insurance to everyone, thus many people are left uninsured or underinsured. Single payer needs to include everyone in order to gain the most bargaining power and cut out the waste, fraud, and inefficiencies of the current system. A public option may be politically expedient, but I'm really worried that it would negate the benefits of a true single payer system and leave us in a worse place than we are now.
You guys are WAYYYY Too Harsh on Marianne Williamson! Shes a perfectly Lovely person and she has some Great ideas!
She's honestly too far into the future. The Humans of today don't understand her and just laugh🤭
But she an old soul and the disparagements just roll off of her
Her response to the most important thing she would do as President was that she'd call up New Zealand and tell them that we're better than them. If anything, they aren't harsh enough; she's fucking awful.
I like Williamson also. She lost me with her closing statement about love, but I was very impressed with her breakdown on the other issues that need to be address when moving to Universal Healthcare like current food policies, big pharma, environmental issues, the list goes on. And what went wrong with Obama's approach. A comprehensive approach needs a comprehensive solution. However unfortunately I don't think she has chance with opposing Trump. I understand all the points she was making, I think she is stigmatized because of her past and will remain the butt of jokes, sad.
Nice try, Marianne!