Yeah! Haden't they heard of CANCEL CULTURE back then? LOL! What idiots! Cancel culture is the only way to deal with people capable of CRITICAL THINKING with their constant pesky questioning!
I appreciate the way you emphasized the role of the republic as a political work just as much as a moral one. I now look at it in a slightly different manner. Thanks a lot!
I cant tell if its just because im a lil tipsy but im tryna take notes on this and im literally breaking a sweat tryna keep up omg.. love the video tho!! you present the information in such an accessible way tysm- my professor could literally never! subscribed for sure
The idea that you can make a special ruling class to rule justly on behalf of the general population is absurd on its face. If the majority of people are able to form some good judgment of how things ought to be done, then no special class is needed. If they are not able to form good judgment on how things ought to be done, then whoever gets into power will not be whoever is most just, but whoever is best able to convince the ignorant masses to do what they want to be done.
Whoever is able to convince the ignorant masses is called democracy, if you had read the republic you would know that socrates points out the major weaknesses in democracy. And that's why argues for a special class picked from the most talented youth and trained over decades to be the wisest and most incorruptible leaders of the society
occurred to me that he's not reading fm a teleprompter or notes. speaking extemporaneously. He knows this stuff so we'll and has so much working experience as a lecturer that can literally do this in his sleep.
You're a great lecturer. I enjoy watching your lectures and it help me a lot in the improvement and betterment of my philosophical course. Keep it up. But there's a question about how can we reconcile plato's idea about democracy in this contemporary world? And how can his ideas help us in understanding the actual political problems?
Thanks a lot for make me understood the meaning of classes that plato have devided by 3 types of class. Thanks a lot, your lecture make me more understood more about Plato's philosophy and help me a lot to finish my assignment.
I love Plato. I’ve been reading and rereading him for over a decade. I believe, however, that his main mistake is the idea that “truth” can be boiled down to an exact equation and that the equation(though perhaps unlikely) can be used to found a more perfect individual and in turn society. That, in my opinion has been a dangerous idea for millennia and I believe others have obliterated that idea, Nietzsche for example...and yet I believe that Camus obliterated Nietzsche in kind. In truth I would posit that so far the “conclusion” of philosophy is that there is no truth and reason is only a way to prescribe some sense of sense to chaos. It doesn’t make Plato, Nietzsche or any other thinker wrong...only contextually out of their depth. Which means we are all out of our depth when it comes to our place in the world and cosmos.
Plato was truly a Mature Mind, where Wisdom exists. . On Democracy, he understood the risks. Those are directly related to the Information Source, i.e., a Free Press. Amazing, He and Socrates had a clear conception of how even a well intended and with good facts, a Public can be misled or fooled. I feel like folks should at least be able to pass a basic Civics Test to get their Voters Card. 1. How a Bill becomes a Law. 2. Know the difference of the 2 parties. 3. Know that a Democracy Depends on a Free Press (a prove owned News Media is not a free press, they have personal and profit motaves). 4. Understand that a Mature Mind requires Conscious Thought + applied Higher-Mind. Children can't vote, why should age be the gauge? 8t is the Mind that is needed to validate Adult. 5. Understand the reason for a minimum 2 Party System. *...and realize what is 8n the Country's best interest trumps our individual desires. Yes, *The Ancient Wisdom Minds recognized the risks.* What would they say in this era of "Opinion News" - that's what Rupert Murdoch said live on film in his Bio-Documentary, "We are an Opinion News Group, we don't send Reports out to interview everyone." Quote, Rupert Murdoch, Owner of Fox News. Naive minds are easily swayed. They vote for th9se whom are less interested in their needs and blatantly supporting the elite and Corporations. I don't get this, they are motivated by their region and treat politics as a Football Team. Tragic ...
Great presentation and narration. Can you kindly make a brief video on 'education' 'the Timocracy,oligarchy, 'democracy & tyranny' 'the parts of good soul'
you left out the part where the philosopher goes back inside the cave to help the others, but actually pisses them off with his Truth and so gets his ass kicked by them
My favorite part tbh. Turns it into a tragedy. Also such a common thread throughout history the man who has the answers is condemned as crazy and executed.
Hey. Can anyone answer my question? Which of the two statements are more correct with respect to plato's thought? Politicians should be selected from those trained in administration. Or Incompetence should be barred from public offices.
Does someone can recommend me the best version of this book to buy? I don't wanna buy a short version, I wanna read it all and I'm struggling to find a complete version.
I would like to inquire if the "History of Political Thought" playlist is based on the book "A History Of Political Theory " By George Holland Sabine. Because the chronology of the content of the playlist shows a resemblance to the content of the book 1)The city-state 2)Political thought before Plato 1st Video Athenian Democracy | Political Philosophy 3)Plato, The Republic 4)Plato, The statements and the laws 2nd Video Plato - The Republic | Political Philosophy 5) Aristotle's Political Ideals 6) Aristotle's political Actualities 3rd video Aristotle - Politics | Political Philosophy And much more. I am really thankful and if you have a playlist that covers this book then feel free to suggest it to me
Everybody thinks they have the formula for the perfect society. That is why Churchill said something about democracy being the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried. Plato's society is sort of being played out in China and has been tried many times in history to varying degrees.
...and at the end of all that, it is not like you could say Plato's republic is any more moral than another kind of system, why? because, if there is no peace and harmony and freedom from dissent or discord, within the state, then "the state" acts in a way, to make it so, it puts all energy into creating peace, through totalitarian means, by censoring dissents and stamping out ALL discord. and if there is still no peace, harmony or freedom from discord, freedom from dissent, then it is because "we are not doing Plato's republic right", we need to become more totalitarian, to bring about peace and harmony to stamp out discord and dissent. (that's when the killing normally starts, when the state goes so far down the path, there is no return from, because the ends justify the means)
Plato: I believe in truth Also Plato: I believe ppl should be told a myth to know their place in society, and that media should be censored, and only elites should rule.
Atleast those elites are the wisest of all the society. Unlike in a democracy where anyone even someone with no qualifications for the most important job in the state can become the ruler. I'll choose platos republic over democratic chaos
RE@@@""" ¿Qué tamaño de plato saldrá vencedor? """"Platón pensaba que las ideas nativas también estaban presentes en él como esclavo liberado, por ejemplo como círculos geométricos en forma de platos grandes y pequeños,
For most people yes, but socrates outlines in the republic that the philosophers would be trained and tested from their youth and over a course of decades only the pure would remain. And that all others who are susceptible to alcohol, bribery or any addictive thing would be weeded out
Plato's description of Athenian democracy at 5:21 - 5:41 sounds exactly like American democracy for the last four decades or more. Ugh! What have we done?
Leonardo da Vinci said " The greatest deception men suffer is from their own opinions " Plato shared with us wisdom he learnt from Egypt, wisdom that was a death sentence in Greece, Rome (Christianity) ..Pythagoras, Socrates and later Hypatia of Alexandria. Plato in his dialogue " The Republic " tells the parable of " The Cave " Plato starts by telling us of prisoners being held in a underground den, let us examine this den via the geometry of Bernhard Riemann and Felix Klein..Klein bottle..3rd and 4th dimensions. Plato tells us that the prisoners are bound up unable to move their heads, let us examine this bondage via the psychology of Erich Fromm..socialisation of consciousness.. aware-unaware. Plato tells us that the prisoners mistake shadows for substance ,let us examine this mistake via the philosophy of Thales, Hume and Kant..synthetic a priori judgement..not thing in itself. Plato tells us that one of the prisoners is released, let us examine this release via the wisdom of T Lobsang Rampa..stilling the mind and conscious astral travel..leaving the cave/body. Plato tells us that the prisoners will reject this release, let us examine this rejection via the psychology of Stockholm Syndrome..Plato quotes Homer..forgive them for they know not what they say. Men are not prisoners of fate, but only prisoners of their own minds. Mathew 23 13 31.
@@Yukihiro21 yeah. Socrates cared for people and wanted to do the right thing, and if that involved pissing off people in power then that's what had to be done. Ben Shapiro is just an asshole. He doesn't care about the moral fabric of society and the good of the people. Socrates sacrificed himself so that the system he left behind could better the lives of his fellow 'countryman'. Can't imagine Ben Shapiro sacrificing his life for himself even.
No Socrates clearly and laboriously points out the difference between people who are truly seeking the truth and those who are just trying to win an argument. Ben Shapiro would be a sophist.
Damn imagine someone so annoyingly smart that they are sentenced to death.
mmm ?Jesus...etc....its quite a long list...
socrates is that kid that tells the teacher that there was homework for that day
Yeah! Haden't they heard of CANCEL CULTURE back then?
LOL! What idiots!
Cancel culture is the only way to deal with people capable of CRITICAL THINKING with their constant pesky questioning!
@Brooke B prove it
@Brooke B He prob did
This guy is so underrated! Great explanations X
Agreed!
I am in love with this channel
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I appreciate the way you emphasized the role of the republic as a political work just as much as a moral one. I now look at it in a slightly different manner. Thanks a lot!
Professorial presentation of political theory and philosophy. Simply the best of its kind.
Such an eye opening book, definitely a must read!! Sometimes long and difficult to read, but eye opening.
I cant tell if its just because im a lil tipsy but im tryna take notes on this and im literally breaking a sweat tryna keep up omg.. love the video tho!! you present the information in such an accessible way tysm- my professor could literally never! subscribed for sure
I'm literally getting my degree because of this Chanel I love it here!
Yikes
Insightful, and doesn't shy away from the more problematic aspects of Plato, some of which unfortunately are prominent in today's societal structures.
The idea that you can make a special ruling class to rule justly on behalf of the general population is absurd on its face. If the majority of people are able to form some good judgment of how things ought to be done, then no special class is needed. If they are not able to form good judgment on how things ought to be done, then whoever gets into power will not be whoever is most just, but whoever is best able to convince the ignorant masses to do what they want to be done.
Whoever is able to convince the ignorant masses is called democracy, if you had read the republic you would know that socrates points out the major weaknesses in democracy. And that's why argues for a special class picked from the most talented youth and trained over decades to be the wisest and most incorruptible leaders of the society
Yea he literally makes that point in the republic
Correct: th-cam.com/play/PLgJ8fmw-qE0yY7UoDF5n2TNvzxOvtAB_V.html
occurred to me that he's not reading fm a teleprompter or notes. speaking extemporaneously. He knows this stuff so we'll and has so much working experience as a lecturer that can literally do this in his sleep.
The wading through of the plethora of bullhicky on TH-cam was worth it for this. Accurate and well presented, thank you
Great summary of The Republic. Thanks for the video!
YOU SCARE ME, THOSE EYES. My man said 👁 👄 👁
I love how you explained it. The thoughts is so clear. You also delivered it in a way that we'll easily understand. Thank you!
Great content! Easy to follow! Watching this before I start reading the book to get a better grasp on it
I recently discovered this channel, I absolutely love your content. Your delivery was soothing and informative.
You're a great lecturer. I enjoy watching your lectures and it help me a lot in the improvement and betterment of my philosophical course. Keep it up.
But there's a question about how can we reconcile plato's idea about democracy in this contemporary world? And how can his ideas help us in understanding the actual political problems?
Thank you so much for this amazing account of Plato’s key work.
Thanks a lot for make me understood the meaning of classes that plato have devided by 3 types of class. Thanks a lot, your lecture make me more understood more about Plato's philosophy and help me a lot to finish my assignment.
Thank you so much, you're such a talented lecturer.
I love Plato. I’ve been reading and rereading him for over a decade. I believe, however, that his main mistake is the idea that “truth” can be boiled down to an exact equation and that the equation(though perhaps unlikely) can be used to found a more perfect individual and in turn society. That, in my opinion has been a dangerous idea for millennia and I believe others have obliterated that idea, Nietzsche for example...and yet I believe that Camus obliterated Nietzsche in kind.
In truth I would posit that so far the “conclusion” of philosophy is that there is no truth and reason is only a way to prescribe some sense of sense to chaos.
It doesn’t make Plato, Nietzsche or any other thinker wrong...only contextually out of their depth. Which means we are all out of our depth when it comes to our place in the world and cosmos.
Camus... lol
Socrates was considered a threat to the elites.
Plato was truly a Mature Mind, where Wisdom exists. .
On Democracy, he understood the risks. Those are directly related to the Information Source, i.e., a Free Press.
Amazing,
He and Socrates had a clear conception of how even a well intended and with good facts, a Public can be misled or fooled.
I feel like folks should at least be able to pass a basic Civics Test to get their Voters Card.
1. How a Bill becomes a Law.
2. Know the difference of the 2 parties.
3. Know that a Democracy Depends on a Free Press (a prove owned News Media is not a free press, they have personal and profit motaves).
4. Understand that a Mature Mind requires Conscious Thought + applied Higher-Mind.
Children can't vote, why should age be the gauge? 8t is the Mind that is needed to validate Adult.
5. Understand the reason for a minimum 2 Party System.
*...and realize what is 8n the Country's best interest trumps our individual desires.
Yes, *The Ancient Wisdom Minds recognized the risks.*
What would they say in this era of "Opinion News" - that's what Rupert Murdoch said live on film in his Bio-Documentary, "We are an Opinion News Group, we don't send Reports out to interview everyone." Quote, Rupert Murdoch, Owner of Fox News.
Naive minds are easily swayed. They vote for th9se whom are less interested in their needs and blatantly supporting the elite and Corporations.
I don't get this, they are motivated by their region and treat politics as a Football Team.
Tragic ...
Fantastic info! Small suggestion: move your que cards lower so you look more directly into the camera and at the audience.
Great presentation and narration. Can you kindly make a brief video on 'education' 'the Timocracy,oligarchy, 'democracy & tyranny' 'the parts of good soul'
Worth it all for 9:13. More of that would be cool ;)
Why does this guy look like he has a gun to his head from behind the camera. Great content though. Thank you so much
you left out the part where the philosopher goes back inside the cave to help the others, but actually pisses them off with his Truth and so gets his ass kicked by them
My favorite part tbh. Turns it into a tragedy. Also such a common thread throughout history the man who has the answers is condemned as crazy and executed.
I owe you bunch of thanks for this video!!!
Hey. Can anyone answer my question? Which of the two statements are more correct with respect to plato's thought?
Politicians should be selected from those trained in administration.
Or
Incompetence should be barred from public offices.
Sounds like he said both of those
lol that costume change caught me off guard
Super thanks. Such a big help!! 💖💖
Why are you staring at my forehead?
Thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaank yooooooooooooooooooouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
Wonderful lecture! Thank you!
Plato made the giver thousands of years before it was written
that was really helpful!!
Amazing video! Great explanations!
Thank you for this.
I love your vid ! (Interesting accent btw)
So clear, thanks for explaining!
Does someone can recommend me the best version of this book to buy? I don't wanna buy a short version, I wanna read it all and I'm struggling to find a complete version.
The one translated by Grube and revised by Reeve
@@aomar7889 Thanks a lot man, I will take a look at it :)
I would like to inquire if the "History of Political Thought" playlist is based on the book "A History Of Political Theory " By George Holland Sabine.
Because the chronology of the content of the playlist shows a resemblance to the content of the book
1)The city-state
2)Political thought before Plato
1st Video Athenian Democracy | Political Philosophy
3)Plato, The Republic
4)Plato, The statements and the laws
2nd Video Plato - The Republic | Political Philosophy
5) Aristotle's Political Ideals
6) Aristotle's political Actualities
3rd video Aristotle - Politics | Political Philosophy
And much more.
I am really thankful and if you have a playlist that covers this book then feel free to suggest it to me
you are excellent teacher.
Everybody thinks they have the formula for the perfect society.
That is why Churchill said something about democracy being the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried.
Plato's society is sort of being played out in China and has been tried many times in history to varying degrees.
In that sense, I read Plato the same I read Marx, or any other self-proclaimed Utopian philosopher, that is to say, with a grain of salt.
...and at the end of all that, it is not like you could say Plato's republic is any more moral than another kind of system,
why?
because, if there is no peace and harmony and freedom from dissent or discord, within the state,
then "the state" acts in a way, to make it so, it puts all energy into creating peace, through totalitarian means, by censoring dissents and stamping out ALL discord.
and if there is still no peace, harmony or freedom from discord, freedom from dissent,
then it is because "we are not doing Plato's republic right", we need to become more totalitarian, to bring about peace and harmony to stamp out discord and dissent.
(that's when the killing normally starts, when the state goes so far down the path, there is no return from, because the ends justify the means)
It isnt and it wasnt.
If your comparing China to platos republic you clearly haven't read the book
@@nigelraporam6917 the whole thing relies on a few individuals transcending their own humanity. Its nonsense lol.
I hope that the Arabic translation will be available in the coming days
Plato’s rave
I hope you can make a video about Cicero next time!!!
Thankyou for sharing. God bless!
Much obliged sir, thank you
Good job buddy. Thank you.
Thank you for this I love you
can i download your video for classroom use? this is very informative
Excellent sir.. Make more
I love your content!
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When was plato born? you said 427 bc, but your graphic shows 428 bc.
Plato: I believe in truth
Also Plato: I believe ppl should be told a myth to know their place in society, and that media should be censored, and only elites should rule.
Atleast those elites are the wisest of all the society. Unlike in a democracy where anyone even someone with no qualifications for the most important job in the state can become the ruler. I'll choose platos republic over democratic chaos
Yup the whole thing is silly
@@nigelraporam6917 You would rather live in a fantasy land?
@@nigelraporam6917 How do you know the Elites would be good. Monarchies were dictatorships.
This guy is low-key funny
I wish someone gave it a try to see if it’d work.
2 minutes in and thank you soooo much
One of the best arguments I heard against Plato: he wrote "The Republic".. then he should be Republican of course!
RE@@@""" ¿Qué tamaño de plato saldrá vencedor? """"Platón pensaba que las ideas nativas también estaban presentes en él como esclavo liberado, por ejemplo como círculos geométricos en forma de platos grandes y pequeños,
I like you. keep it up!
Unfortunately there can never be a philosopher King. Power corrupts.
For most people yes, but socrates outlines in the republic that the philosophers would be trained and tested from their youth and over a course of decades only the pure would remain. And that all others who are susceptible to alcohol, bribery or any addictive thing would be weeded out
Correct
doesn't he say that discipline/prudance is something they all have (the classes)?
I like your voice
Was Plato talking about ancient Greece or modern America?
America is built on the Greco-roman ideals. So it would technically be both.
Wise ruler? Nope, not modern America
I mean in some way he describes most major nations.
Where are this guys eyes looking? Not at the camera I presume.
Plato's description of Athenian democracy at 5:21 - 5:41 sounds exactly like American democracy for the last four decades or more. Ugh! What have we done?
book summary beings at 8:25
I have a question anyone feel free to answer.
Who will guard the guardians?
The auxiliaries probably
The auxiliaries
Leonardo da Vinci said " The greatest deception men suffer is from their own opinions " Plato shared with us wisdom he learnt from Egypt, wisdom that was a death sentence in Greece, Rome (Christianity) ..Pythagoras, Socrates and later Hypatia of Alexandria. Plato in his dialogue " The Republic " tells the parable of " The Cave " Plato starts by telling us of prisoners being held in a underground den, let us examine this den via the geometry of Bernhard Riemann and Felix Klein..Klein bottle..3rd and 4th dimensions. Plato tells us that the prisoners are bound up unable to move their heads, let us examine this bondage via the psychology of Erich Fromm..socialisation of consciousness.. aware-unaware. Plato tells us that the prisoners mistake shadows for substance ,let us examine this mistake via the philosophy of Thales, Hume and Kant..synthetic a priori judgement..not thing in itself. Plato tells us that one of the prisoners is released, let us examine this release via the wisdom of T Lobsang Rampa..stilling the mind and conscious astral travel..leaving the cave/body. Plato tells us that the prisoners will reject this release, let us examine this rejection via the psychology of Stockholm Syndrome..Plato quotes Homer..forgive them for they know not what they say. Men are not prisoners of fate, but only prisoners of their own minds. Mathew 23 13 31.
How is a theoretical conspiracy not philosophic?
good question
Plato : I tried to open your eyes stupid humans.
Time to revive some of these principles as a new political philosophy for the next millennium.
(minus his cast system and weird ideas about music and culture....)
Everybody thinks they have the formula for the perfect society.
8:55
12:44 BRUH AHAHAHAHA
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15:19 .
1:32 what's the painting?
Homer Reciting his Poems', Sir Thomas Lawrence, 1790 | Tate
6:34 lol
R u the voice of school of life
They sound alike but they don't sound like the same guy to me.
Anyone else here from gentefied on Netflix
Gloria in Excelsis Deo!
Sorry I couldn't finish the video. This type of lecturing for me is super hard to concentrate. So monotonous and emotionless
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So... Ben Shapiro is like Soracates' reincarnation hahahah
Um no. Socrates would hate Ben Shapiro
@@Yukihiro21 yeah. Socrates cared for people and wanted to do the right thing, and if that involved pissing off people in power then that's what had to be done. Ben Shapiro is just an asshole. He doesn't care about the moral fabric of society and the good of the people. Socrates sacrificed himself so that the system he left behind could better the lives of his fellow 'countryman'. Can't imagine Ben Shapiro sacrificing his life for himself even.
No ...simply no
No Socrates clearly and laboriously points out the difference between people who are truly seeking the truth and those who are just trying to win an argument. Ben Shapiro would be a sophist.
ban music and poetry? lolwut