The Profound Meaning of Plato's Allegory of the Cave
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- In this episode we explore Plato’s "Allegory of the Cave", its connection to ancient myths, and the ultimate narrative archetype we know as the Hero’s Journey. Plato's "Allegory of the Cave" is one of the most influential philosophical concepts ever introduced, encapsulating timeless questions about reality, knowledge, perception, and enlightenment. Located in Plato's seminal work, "The Republic," the Allegory of the Cave serves as a metaphorical narrative depicting the human condition's journey from ignorance to enlightenment.
The Athenian philosopher Plato (c. 428-347 B.C.) is one of the most important figures of the Ancient Greek world and the entire history of Western thought. In his written dialogues he conveyed and expanded on the ideas and techniques of his teacher Socrates.
The Academy he founded was by some accounts the world’s first university and in it he trained his greatest student, the equally influential philosopher Aristotle. Plato’s recurring fascination was the distinction between ideal forms and everyday experience, and how it played out both for individuals and for societies. In the “Republic,” his most famous work, he envisioned a civilization governed not by lowly appetites but by the pure wisdom of a philosopher-king.
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So glad to see this collaboration!
Beautifully done, all around!
I hope that this further leads to newer perspectives for them.
Thank you so much for everything, Mark.
It was a honour working with you on this one! ❤️🔥🌞
@@DontReadMyProfilePicture.57ok. I won’t
The wall is projected through our artificial reality: screens ie. phones, tablets, laptops, movie theaters, Big Screens, flat screen TV, etc.
Tell me I am wrong.
The moment when you realize TH-cam is a modern Plato’s cave…
Troof!
True but also not true it’s more nuanced than that
All of life is Platos cave
Absolutely not true, TH-cam provides information and enlightenment if you watch the right stuff. TV, NFL, Netflix, Hulu, Fox News, Facebook, and especially TikTok are the actual caves
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Absolutely beautiful. Hardest part about coming out of the cave is finding others who have. It’s so hard to find those who have a truly exited the cave and question their reality
Absolutely 💯 it seems as though we are all spread around the world, no where near one another
Fortunately we have the internet so its much easier to find other people who are on the same path
Use the JQ as a litmus test.
Definitely. The pain isn't the knowledge but the isolation it often brings. Trying to assimilate back into the trivial once this journey is underway is painful.
The good news is only takes a concentrated few that are committed to turn the trajectory, there lies another issue, thinking and doing.
A big piece that needs to be absorbed from this is someone who has not left the cave has no frame of reference for what is outside it. This is one reason for Morpheus's success with Neo in the Matrix when he says "there's no way I can explain it to you. You have to see it for yourself. Don't place all the effort into telling people about the outside, just ask if they are willing to walk. If they aren't, you let them be. If they are, you move forward. Knowledge can't be forced, it can only be received. And if they are unwilling to receive, then will remain chained in darkness no matter what you do or say.
And the other big piece that needs to be absorbed from this is that we who seem to be living in the sunlight outside the cave, are actually chained to the wall in the dark cave exactly as described. Are we truly able to perceive undistorted reality? Everyone must try to make this shift of levels to really benefit from the power of the allegory. That which you perceive as truth is actually little more than shadows of a much more immediate and profound reality.
This guy gets it 👏
There's much sound speech in the comments, yet I'm not unacquainted with loaded and fanciful rhetoric.
"Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it"(Matthew 7:14).
That is the nature of the progressive left. You emerge from one cave only to disappear into another. They end up eating their young.
The allegory explains all of that, as does this video I guess you missed that part and misunderstood LMAO
A Tibetan take on Plato's cave: There are some frogs that live at the bottom of a deep well. They have spent their entire lives in the well. One day a frog enters from the outside and tries to describe the ocean. The other frogs can not even begin to comprehend such a vastness. This vastness is Enlightenment.
Did they leapfrog?
@@rollzolo This is really really important. It's the key to freeing us from the eternal cycle of death and suffering...... And yes, they did leapfrog.
And yet knowing the ocean he'd know nothing of the universe. A hollow enlightenment. Simply knowing more but knowing nothing of what is. And still the frog would know nothing but the tiniest bit of the ocean, as he's a frog, no better than the others. No smarter in the end.
Knowing "what is" is knowing the ocean. Its an analogy.
@petewright4640 It's an illusion of superiority. A way to justify preaching to others when you're truly in no better of a situation. Just more educated in one subject but less in others.
When you understand the principle of "The Cave", it's impossible to not see it's effects playing out in the world we inhabit.
Powerfull presentation, thankyou to all involved.
And it just continues to play out.
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Be A Human. And be A Constitutional American.
Cant find a Flag emoji.🤔
@@mickrozycki451 I restrain myself from saying Alex was right, anons were right etc..
14:52 "It is not our fault for being raised in these conditions but it is our solemn duty to escape."
I understand. Thank you.
It is our solemn duty to escape, not go back and rescue the others.
In order to save others you have to save yourself first. There are also people that doesn't want to be saved for various reasons.@@happinesstan
It is much easier to live in victimhood, Howe a man’s stays in the world is determined by the quality of his thinking.
and many people are born, live and die in the shadows because those people were never exposed to knowledge nor wisdom.
@@happinesstanin Plato’s work, his point was that it was their responsibility to share their riches (knowledge). That, in order to have the greatest society possible, it required those people choosing a lesser life than they could’ve had had they neglected the others. So, yeah, from the very beginning, “Republic” was always an idea that required a certain altruism, or communism, hence the original Greek title Politeia; “community of citizens”. It was never about “representative” (elitist consolidation of power) government.
I have two problems with Plato's Cave
1. Everyone thinks that they're the ones who have left the cave and that everyone else is still stuck inside looking at shadows.
2. There is no leaving the cave. There's only a series of larger and larger caves.
I was once asked if people have free will -- i answered; of course fast -- but later i came to think about the question, and thought it was not actually so easy to answer, and today i would probably answer no.
@@homeistheearth Yes. You have total free-will. I am a teacher of the divine universe associated with Godly angelics and not any church. Plato, in fact. converted in spirit-body afterlife (thanks to Socrates) to the path I share of on Earth. If you'd like to learn more about free-will and how the universe is actually designed, just ask. Peace.
@@homeistheearth Seconded. Please provide some arguments for substantiation. Explain how, what we now call self-deletion, could occur, outside of free will? (we know it's not a product of a high score of suffering points). And how can we maintain a system of crime and punishment, if there is no free will, how do we hold the criminal responsible? Moreover, how do we hold the punishers responsible for their misdeeds against others, if we cannot?
Good point, touche'!
@@philippeamon7271Crime and punishment are man made for this planet. The Universe knows only love. People perceive wanted and unwanted. Humans try to control others based on what they do not want. Hence, we see the push and pull. For the Universe, it is what it is.
Everyone has free will. Believe, don't believe. Stay in the cave, venture out of the cave. Spend your life trying to control others so you feel better, or, learn to master yourself. The choice is yours.
I first learned about Plato's Allegory of the Cave back in one of my English classes in my freshman year of college and it was an extraordinary experience to read it because the professor made a good job on explaining it to us and why it's so important. It quickly became one of my favorite pieces of literature ever.
Read the Symposium i.e. Diotima’s ladder
It's basically a pyramid scheme for egotists. Plato wanted to be a hero, he had a unique vision which he wanted to impress upon the world. Unable to chain people to a wall, he wrote a book. In that book he outlined how to be a hero. Basically, he reached the point of discovering beauty [in Socrates' thinking] and going straight back to imitation.
Then you probably didn't learn it, you were taught it.
Leaving the cave means one must bear the weight of being alone in leaving the cave. You will be thought of as crazy by those you now perceive still trapped in the cave and wanting only to bring them out of their cave will be met with stubbornness and walls, you are not meant to break the walls they place before you. move along with yourself alone and continue to explore. This is what ive found with my leaving the cave, persist and perseverance.
Right, was waiting for a part where Plato or Socrates would give suggestions on how to deal with resistance to sharing knowledge 😂😂😂
I guess that’s the thing…you gotta be ready to absorb and learn on your own time. This story and lesson I’ve known a long time but only recently have appreciated it.
Even though the allegory indicates a lone venturer others have left the cave also. This is were “we” becomes more powerful than “I” alone.
I'm 64 and often wonder what I'm so wrong about that I think I'm absolutely right about or what I think is so important but doesn't really matter. I've come to both of those realizations many times in my life. As a young man, I took life way to serious.
But if they see you happier and more content in life that gives them reasons to join you. I've discovered in healing myself and focusing on me, others followed my example and I didn't even ask them to, they chose to from seeing me healthier.
@@kristinajackson2014 unfortunately my case is, all that i know are far to chained down to the cave.. as if the original chains weren’t enough, they desired/wanted more chains. Im sure they want to leave their cave, but no clue how to detach themselves from so many chains. Ie: subscriptions to everything chains, and need a 9$ coffee everyday chains waaa im so broke blah blah i give them the keys they toss em in a pile of whatever this guy doesn’t know me. When i actually know humans and how we do sometimes 🤷♂️
Finally Plato’s cave is getting more recognition 🎉
Now if only we could learn more lessons from greek philosphers from 2000+ years ago, because there are still so so many that are highly relevant today.
This is interesting. I am a lifestyle medicine educator I have noticed that people resist the information that their health issues are often caused by lifestyle decisions. They do not want to make the effort to change and prefer to blame fate, genetics or others for their condition.
Well Mr. Educator, think of your 'students' as people hooked on drugs. If your ever met a 'junky' or anyone with a pathological addiction like : gambling, drugs, sex etc., you can see how hard it is for them to retake 'control' of their life. Today's society thrives on making most of us 'hooked' on something. Most addictions are unseen. The worst are sugar, screens (iPhone,Tablet etc), gaming, compulsive buying (excess consuming)...
So, anyone addicted to sugar (McDonald's, processed food) will face the same battle as the heroin addict. The only difference is the sugar or gamer addict will see themselves as 'normal' and denigrate drug addicts or alcoholics. No wonder rats were wavering when they had to chose between sugar and different hard drugs. That's why many don't want to change their lifestyle to improve their health. Like all addicts, they will find any reason to keep their habit.
One has to admit that he has a problem to try taking control of their life.
I must say, we all could find, something that we are 'hooked' on in our own life. The only difference with 'addicts' is that it hasn't destroyed our life... yet! hehe
I would love to have the pleasure of meeting you.
hi
@@nickieglazer7065
Until you make the unconscious conscious, It will rule your life and you will call it fate -Carl yung
Spoke in the medical industry machine. Be proud!
The irony is this beautiful presentation is itself a projection inside the cave.
Only when you avoid your responsibility to partake your own hero's journey.
In the circle or arc of experience, even if it passes through enlightenment, the return phase is a return to the cave.
So where else will a completed journey be expressed?
Are you a prisoner?
A prisoner staring at and replying to shadows on a screen.
This is the story of your enslavement by the corrupt culture 👉The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 💖
I left the "cave" on a 2 year backpacking trip around the world. To only re-enter so I could be amongst others (job/bills/yada yada)... the part of the heroes journey, returning home to drop pearls of wisdom on others, and being greated with hostility or confusion is real, man. I see another exiting of the cave on the horizon. Cheers to all you other lone wolfs out there. Awoooooo!!
Consider the realization that THAT which one actually IS is always outside the cave. We enter the cavernous mind to live, love, and wander via attention, but that does NOT mean that we can't access the clarity always available. Life happens in Consciousness, and wisdom is 'developed' the more we take the opportunity to notice when we are entering/exiting the cave within THAT.
You didn't leave the cave. The cave convinced you that you left.
@@happinesstan how do you know?
Linking Plato's Cave with the Hero's Journey was excellent! Thank you!
This channel's the best thing possible for an English teacher like myself who always presents philosophy and mythology on the way. It's pretty incredible that each year I present the Allegory of the Cave in one unit and the Hero's Journey in another or all the other units. This really sums it all up with a great visual to go with it. Thanks for the help guys.
Lots of kids in school might be better with videos of newer knowledge. But We are Censored,
Keep up the great work!
I've never met a sophisticated English teacher. Keep up with the usual stuff. You're a hero.
@@jmnatty2004censored by who?
Who else? Those who hunger for control. Power.
Damn, that's a powerful voice.
@DontReadMyProfilePicture.57stop spamming the comments bro.
Reminds me of Christopher Lee.
Early on in this brilliant clip, I began to see the parallels between the “Plato's Allegory of the Cave” and Neo in the Matrix. Neo's life was a construction of illusions until he is freed to experience the real world. The “Allegory of the Cave” is timeless and we are experiencing it today on computer screens. People can no longer tell the difference between the threat of nuclear war and an action movie...
This video hit home. I needed it. You have had some amazing ones over the years. This one I needed. Thank you.
Thank you for this. It has been an emotionally traumatic few years watching truth denied. I have ceaselessly tried to wake people up, at great personal cost. This video is full of affirmation that I am doing the right thing.
Me too...I figured out how to cure obesity for most people, and I actually wrote a book about it, but nobody respects my opinion. They can't see through the illusions created by society.
@@ClassicJukeboxBand writing the book is your personal reward, those meant to find you, will find you 🙏
I recommend the stoics, one whom said; one must develop the serenity to accept that which you cant control, the courage to change what you can control, and the wisdom to tell the difference. Sounding the alarm is not how people leave the cave. Be there for people when they start to ask questions and desire answers not shown on the cave wall.
You are not the holder of truth, you may be in a part of the cave where you see the fire fooling the others, but you are also following shadows by an alternative secondary fire, built to catch people trying to escape. Trumpism is a good example of this, his supporters think that only they have left the cave of establishment politics and can see the truth, but its just more shadows pretending to be the change they greatly desire, that is enough to keep them satisfied.
This is the story of your enslavement by the corrupt culture 👉The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 💖
@@VeganSemihCyprus33 Wtf is this place?
Your timing is impeccable… it feels humanity is ready for revelations and revolutions.
It's explains why people are so afraid of woke ideas. They are so use to the world they live in. They can't handle wokeness and how it makes more sense
Decision made a long time ago thanks for this video. For those on the path may the light remain with you.
One of the best life lessons for anyone!! No words to thank you for this extraordinary way of explaining the essence of what being human really means! Your deep research, excellent script, excelent line of thought, narration, superb graphics!! I am sharing this jewel with my colleagues and students at UCL and the Institute of Education, friends, family..... this should be part of school curricula worldwide. I wish I had seen this in my secondary school! More please!!
My school, in England(1960s) only was interested in getting you into "another brick in the wall" NOT in making you think about the wrongs of the system. Peace be unto you.
Agrippa’s Diary is a new delight I’ve discovered recently. 🙏
This video deserves a billion views 👏
7.5 billion.
Statistically this content and channel are too honest for %80 of the population.
@@decreasethyself1212That's right, too much for the snowflake generation 🤣
Beautifully done. The matrix also includes the character who chooses not to venture out and prefers the comfort of the matrix. How many of those who left the cave went back, chained themselves back up and watched the shadows?
How many are currently staring at their computer scared of the world that it paints?
This is the second time this allegory has shown up for me in two weeks. John Vervaeke brought it back to my awareness in his 'Awakening from the meaning crisis' series. Definitely worth the watch!
This is the story of your enslavement by the corrupt culture 👉The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 💖
The scary thing is that your perception of "the truth" is incredibly biased and fear based. Good luck on your journey tho.
Might have to watch that. I mean, the meaning crisis seems to have defined humanity for centuries, nay millennia. And it's not particularly tricky. Life has no meaning until you experience it and apply your own. But it's not your place to apply your meaning to anybody else.
You can be the master of your own destiny, but you should deter followers.
This is the original Matrix story, and it ought to be made into a movie.
Definitely
Why bother? Every movie is just another shadow on the cave wall.
You’re already free but you won’t come out of the cave that is the limited thinking mind. Now that would want a movie for sure but that does nothing for you but keep you stuck imprisoned in the cave. You just don’t know that you are already outside the cave but using the thinking mind to convince yourself you are in a cave (me in a body, in a world, in universe).
It was made into a movie. It was called, The Matrix.
@@highvibefreqzshow5967 you are not free at all
Plato's cave allegory is the original Gnostic myth.
Social realities as manufactured illusions to be decoded.
Inspiring modern cinematic versions such as "The Matrix", "13th Floor", "eXistenZ" (three flics released in 1999) and any movies created from a Philip K Dick novel.
not the first time i heard any of this. yet it was quite, a reaffirming experience to hear it once again, as we move through life’s stages. thank you for the content
I love the way you explained this and the parallels you drew between this and other similar implementation of the original idea. Thank you for connecting the dots in such a visual-appealing way!
This hits me hard. Isolated for my views but still determined to seek enlightenment. Thanks
There's nothing to seek. You have it all already. 🙏🏻✨️
@@divinewind7405 indeed. The Kingdom of God lies within all of us.
This is the story of your enslavement by the corrupt culture 👉The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 💖
religion is the exact opposite of enlightenment@@wrightwinger85
This is the best, most profound, and most important infotainment video I have watched in a very, very, very long time. It massively reflects my own journey, as I became increasingly libertarian, especially as we traversed the dystopian COVID19 journey.
But have you ever seen a real libertarian or is it just shadows?
Amazing. I will have to watch several times to understand without distraction by the beautiful art.
This is the best representation of "The Cave" on youtube, kudos to the artist and everyone else involved!
These videos are always exceptionally made, thank you! This one is great
Great animation. Great script. Great narration. Bravo. 👏
Wow, this is profound. Your channel is one of my favorite on TH-cam, incredibly thought provoking, thank you for your amazing work.
This is the best example of the Allegory I've seen. Good job 👏
Thank you. The path is indeed uncomfortable...
This was beautifully illustrated and narrated. And the text was sweet honey. So comforting and honest. This one was truly special.
What path? If you're following a path, it's somebody else's. And humanity has followed Plato's path for long enough now. Maybe we should follow Socrates' path.
Wonderfully told and illustrated. Thank you.
Gives new meaning and perception as you get older. This never gets old but unveils new ways of thinking about life and our situations.
Very true that it takes almost your entire life to understand Plato’s Allegory of the Cave and then you look back down and hope to inform those still in the cave. That last thing is very dangerous.
I am so glad more people are discovering this
This is the story of your enslavement by the corrupt culture 👉The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 💖
I feel this video released at such an ideal time. Talk about not taking things as coincidences; I'm currently reading 'The Celestine Prophecy' which I feel ties in really well with Plato's Allegory of the Cave. Trying to understand a deeper importance to our lives. Looking past the material world and trying to find energy we currently have been unaware of that's always existed.
Growing up is overwhelming, but taking that unknown path by pursuing more knowledge and insight has been quite a fulfilling undertaking. Think freely and question everything!
I never get tired of learning about this allegory. Really interesting to see the relationship with Kierkegaard. Great video!
This was beautifully written and much needed, thanks for sharing this!
One of my favories vids of yours so far. Keep it up, Afterskool!
Wonderful video with alot of creation, love and wisdom 🤩💯💚🙌
Excellent work here, very well put making understanding easier! Thank both you guys for being born!!!!
Plato was ahead of his time.
The metaphor actually extends deeply to our perceptions themselves.
If we conceptualize the physical world as the cave and time and space as the chains holding us in place we can see how perfectly the metaphor describes our condition.
We cannot perceive that which is outside of time and space, we can’t measure it, we don’t even know if anything CAN exist outside of time or space. Bound by our reality, only able to perceive with our senses in an incomplete manner like prisoners categorizing shadows on the wall. Brilliant metaphor.
Thanks for this! I’ve long believed that many of our society live in Plato’s Cave - accepting what they see on TV, in movies, and on the ‘net as absolute, irrefutable reality. It is maddening to realize they do not live in reality - nor do they even perceive reality.
And, not to forget the cell phone worshippers who carry their phones and are on it incessantly. Can have a conversation with a friend on the phone (old wall phone) and chat about something then hear her clicking to get updated information on her cell phone.
Yeah, because Plato was critiquing TV and movies.
@@happinesstan Hilarious. To someone in Plato’s day, seeing a television hanging on the wall would look like shadows dancing there.
the similarty of the hero s journey and your journey of creating this channel is ❤🔥
thank you for sharing your wisdom
This the best explanation for Allegory of the Cave, I am really grateful that I found this video.
Great Video and Sign of Our Times
Time for All of Humanity to Wake Up to TRUTH and Enlighten the Masses...
FREEDOM ~ PEACE ~ UNITY ~ LOVE ~ HARMONY for ALL of Humanity !!!
Quite simply, fantastic episode 🙏
"Most people not only find solace in their ignorance, but also exhibit hostility towards those who challenge their preconceived notion" - Platto
We have lived this in 2020, the censorship and hostility towards those who challenged the official narrative was unlike anything we have ever seen, a once in a lifetime experience.
The challenging was a once in a lifetime. Bu the narrative is ongoing.
Once in a lifetime or maybe another few similar things round the corner?....
1. What the fuck are you guys talking about?
2 It's Plato... ONE T
yeah, and its about to get worse. we have more chaos ahead of us.Let go of the trivial, frivilous things now so that you can handle the hardships we are about to face. The good thing is that we will begin to see who is really who and probably form much closer relationships after having to leave many behind.
@@simplecooking9220 many more to come. they want to break us so that we are desperate enough to submit.
The best and profound video on Plato’s Allegory of the cave ❤
This video is so informative that its worth watching for anyone who is interested in learning about philosophy and knowledge. Beautiful voice full of clarity giving insight into the hidden treasures of the knowledge….
It is so common for people to default to written scripts nowadays… We need more people thinking for themselves! True observation void of bias with natural imaginative thought is a trait so rare, yet so valuable.
People these days don’t think. Because college teaches you not to think, just follow the Marxist narrative. Don’t send your kids to college. At least for now.
Excellent video 🙌🙌 describes very well the allegory of the cave as part of the hero’s journey. Impressive images and symbols about the golden pyramids, kundalini energy, the creators dragons, the distorted shadows and the fire of healing and enlightenment.
Absolutely beautiful and compelling ❤ Thank you 🙏
This channel is fantastic, thankyou to all that created it ❤🧡💛💚💙💜💟
Fantastic work
Another beautiful collaboration, keep going!
Will do. Thank you!
Well done! I hadn't tied together all the mentioned traditions/myths, etc. before now. Thanks for this.
Really wonderful. If all education was presented in this manner we would find much higher acceptance of complex subjects
When I first read Allegory of the Cave 13 years ago at age 20, my mind was truly opened. It significantly changed the way I think and allowed me to see how manipulated everyone is. Very angering. It's disgusting. Money is an illusion.
Politics is the second
The moment you realize that you get out of Plato's cave into a larger cave searching for the myth called " Reality".
Better a bigger cave, no?
No, not a Cave, a Womb....the word Matrix means Womb, and when we realize all the Lights in the Sky are within it...we have yet to be Born!@@dannyarcher6370
This video explained my life in a matter of approximately 16mins. Awesome video presentation. I guess you really are never too old to learn something new.
Wonderful lifelong message, timeless. Classic!
Wow. This is so timely!! Synchronicity at play again. Thank you 💚🙏
Matrix explained by the Greek philosopher thousands of years ago...😮
AWESOME THIS VIDEO IS A LIFE-CHANGER I'VE BEEN WATCHING YOU GUYS FOR A WHILE BUT I THINK THIS IS MY FAVORITE VIDEO
I love it when two different channels you love collaborate!!!
*Amazing collab, Amazing video* 👏
Thank you for this explanation of Plato's allegory of the Cave. It struck a chord with me because this is my spiritual story
This is my spiritual story
A naïve soft hearted man who lived in a wealthy city and spent all his time helping people distanced himself to a mountainous land. On the way there he kept helping people. He then fell ill and these thoughts came to him: what will I do afterwards? I will go to the top of the mountain and let the vultures eat me; I want no riches of this world; I am coming to help my father; and I can work. He then goes back to the wealthy city and miraculously finds work. He then understands the vultures are the people he attracted and he did not know he was attracting because he was naïve; he wants no riches of this world because he has the virtues of this world; he helps his father die with out suffering in his old age, and he works.
And just like the cave man and Prometheus it is extremely enlightening. Sadly I have not been able to find someone to help me publish it so as to distribute the wisdom it has in it. I feel like Prometheus being eaten by the eagle; however, in my case I am eaten by the vultures.
If you know of anyone that can assist me in publishing this story, I would very much appreciate it.
What I loved about Socrates was that he never sought publication.
Well he did publish it because we know about it. Sadly my spiritual story that has much more wisdom that Socrates Cave will go unheard. This is a component of the wisdom in the story
An encounter with the perfect man
I'm sitting outside a coffee shop opposite the university where I work when a lecturer colleague, Mark, as he's going past says to me, 'What's this irresponsible Venezuelan doing in the UK?' Ignoring his remark I ask, 'Have you noticed how students seem to be quite late to classes nowadays?' He checks his stride to say, 'Well, I've noticed how people no longer seem to queue at bus stops.'
I continue by telling him about the ring scam where the perpetrator bends just in front of one pretending he's picking up a ring he's just found; he then tries to fit it on one of his fingers, but as it doesn't, he's willing to exchange it for any cash one wishes to volunteer. Remembering how silent I used to be Mark is stunned by my chattiness, and comes to a halt. He gives me a perplexed look as if I were an extra-terrestrial. Rather than continue walking, he backtracks, enters the coffee shop, comes out with a salad and sits beside me.
I quiz him on Bill Gates. He replies, belittling this famous person, 'Who's that? Who's that?' So I give him my thoughts on Gates through my interpretation of Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs,
'There are two main characters - the Witch and Snow White. The witch represents the person who, although not superior, demands superiority at whatever activity. She is the person who is fuming for not having been born superior. Whereas, Snow White is the person who is superior.'
Giving me an inquisitive look he drawls, 'How do you think of that?' I was truly enjoying this. I was finally getting even with Mark after many years of being on the losing side.
I go for the killer blow and tell him my thoughts on the perfect man - 'The perfect man goes to Trafalgar Square and stands there like a statue for the rest of his life.' After a silence, he exclaims, 'That's Nelson!' Again he goes silent, whilst I wait to see if the blow has done the trick. Yes it has! He can't take it any more. Suddenly he stands up; with terror filled eyes he asserts, 'It's a question of security.' I lower my head and acknowledge, 'Yes that's the word, security' Staring at me suspiciously he picks the empty plate. 'I'm going to pay the man his security,' he says, and goes into the coffee shop. He comes out, and walking close to me, giving me a distasteful, suspicious, angry and frightened look, and nearly head-butting me he exclaims, 'The birds will shit on him!' Lowering my head, I reply, 'No, he's too strong.'
Well, it's now time to introduce the perfect man to others and as there are two colleagues in my office, I ask them, 'Do you know who the perfect man is?' both in tandem reply, 'me!' By now, I can hardly contain my laughter, but I do manage to keep a straight face and tell them, 'No, the perfect man goes to Trafalgar Square and stands there like a statue for the rest of his life.' Both immediately reply, 'The birds will shit on him!'
My fourth introduction of the perfect man is to a Kenyan friend. The others had been from Scotland, England and Wales. It just goes to show all human beings are the same because as soon as I mention that the perfect man walks to Trafalgar Square and stands there like a statue, my Kenyan friend tightens his fingers and moving his hand as if he was about to lay something says, 'The birds will shit on him!' Again I laugh, and he remarks, “what are you some kind of psychologist?”
Poor perfect man - he is not welcomed anywhere!
Questions: why do the people want to attack the statue? What has the statue done to them? If they want to destroy the statue is because they fear the statue, why should they fear an inanimate object?
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the above story is of the subconscious. When the Kenyan moves his hand, he is not aware that he is moving his hand. He only becomes aware when I laugh. The Kenyan moved his hand when I said that the perfect man is a statue because anger is lodged in the mind of the Kenyan. It is the emotion of anger in the Kenyan that moves his hand. Rather than the Kenyan's mind protecting his body, it is the emotion of anger in him that protects his body. This is no good for the Kenyan because at that moment the emotion feeds into his mind and there will be more emotion and less awareness in the Kenyan. He gradually loses mindfulness. Not only that, anger produces a bitter taste in a person's mouth when it manifest itself. It then makes the person bitter. Mark tells us what this story is about. We are not talking about a person, but we are talking of a body. Mark thinks for a while and then says, "it's a question of security". We are talking about the security of the body. The body looks for security. As the emotions feed into the mind of a person, the emotions take more control of the person. They will get into the person's mouth, eyes, ears, move your hands, move your legs and so on. So it is not the person who is walking, but it is the emotion that makes the person walk. This applies to all human beings there are no exceptions. This is far deeper than what Socrates said, and deeper than Freud, Jung or any well know psychologist or psychiatrist may say. The reason is that I can see the subconscious of a person. This wisdom would be extremely useful given that if one applied mental security to children one would stop them from become sadistic and other horrible creatures. Mental security is the way have to protect ourselves. Nothing else works. As you go through life the emotions will be feeding in you, and you will have less consciousness, and more emotion lodge in the mind. When the emotion lodges in the mind, it has control of your body. Maybe one day I will be able to publish this. @@happinesstan
@@jesusbermudez6775 No. Plato was published.
If we have something about Socrates is because he published it. Unless we are putting words into Socrates mouth, something human's love to do. One day I will find someone to publish my wisdom, something nobody has@@happinesstan
A pleasure to see agripas diary on this channel. He deserves more attention 100
This wisdom is needed NOW more than ever.
The holographic power grid... otherwise known as the flickering shadows on the wall....is actually created by your own consciousness, your mindstream, reflected ''out there'', based on your perceptions, beliefs and conditioning. When you truly see this, and know this in your deppest knowing, it is both profound, liberating and somewhat depressing. It takes a lot of courage to keep going, with this understanding. Things that do appear, are a type of apparition, your imprinting on empty space. It's all a construct. It's all consciousness. The divine dance of light, taking on a form. God, in disguise in all, and nothing, and everything in between. As within, so without.
First, I would argue that Prometheus or Forethought, has a dual lesson. Not only is his knowledge important but more so what he does with it. It is the Compassion of Prometheus that distinguishes him, not only his Knowledge.
He gives fire to humans because he cares for them. Just like what happens when in evolution of human society, we have compassion for our elders, who then teach us knowledge. We grow infinitely stronger when we have compassion, we are not weakened by it. Somehow this lesson has been forgotten or de-emphasized over time to focus on power of the individual instead of the health of the group.
Thank you for this presentation. I'd never heard of 'Plato's Cave' before but have been experiencing it within the my older life. At an age it seems, people quit improving themselves and succumb to the dumbing down so often those before them have done. My own path has refused that pattern; often to the chagrin of my peers.
Their loss, my gain.
Out of the darkness comes light 🌕
Plato's cave allegory is the original Gnostic myth.
Social realities as manufactured illusions to be decoded.
Inspiring modern cinematic versions such as "The Matrix", "13th Floor", "eXistenZ" (three flics released in 1999) and any movie created from a Philip K Dick novel.
Glad to know I’m not alone in the feeling of the hero in the cave. Thank you agrippas diary and afterskool
Truly remarkable video. Thank you, After Skool and Agrippa's Diary!
Thank you for this. I came out of the cave many years ago in the sixties when I read "Plato's Republic" but find it increasingly difficult to get others to join me, especially after the intense government/MSM propaganda machine made the cave more suitable for the sheep who dwell there.
I've told people that the best thing I did in my life was move from N.J. in the late 60's to San Francisco. I've also told people the worst thing I've done in my life is move from N.J. in the late 60's to San Francisco.
Nobody is out of the cave, that’s the whole point
You're still IN the cave!!!
@@JoshDilworth care to explain
@@devinkipp4344 It’s been some months since reading this but I’ll summarize. The cave’s entire premise is based around only knowing the experience one has been given, and not being able to see further because of this constraint. You can question this premise if you’d like, but this is how I interpreted it.
We have a limited amount of experiences, no matter who we are. None of us are able to know things we haven’t experienced, so it follows that we are all in a cave of some sorts and always will be. To me, only an all-knowing being would no longer be part of a cave. Of course the caves change as we become educated, and instead of a the extremely restrictive cave at the start of this section in the Euthyphro, we might have a ‘cave’ like Earth that we are bound to.
A few considerations: I don’t have the view that we must have direct experience to know of something, this would be an anti-intellectual stance; when I speak of experience, I’m including the many instruments we use to measure things we can’t directly experience ( compositions of other bodies in space, abstract mathematics, microorganisms, for example). And including the things we arrive at by deductive, or inductive inferences.
love this video. anyone knows the music they used? it’s so peaceful.
An extremely powerful and beautiful presentation. A must for all people with an enquiring mind.
Jiddu Krishnamurti spent his life trying to free mankind from the bondage of time and thought.
Worth checking him out for anyone who's interested.
So he was trying to free us from the Kali Yuga and our Karmic chains essentially? Ill check that out!
AGREED.
He mostly spoke about noticing the conditioning of one's mind which, yes, can be very helpful along the pathless path through the gateless gate.
Here , nice video about his life and teachings - > th-cam.com/video/JZRxYyS8alU/w-d-xo.html
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I believe this process that the first prisoner goes through is the same as the stage of grief.
This was a great listen! Thank you for the upload!
Thank you so much for this education. It was not standard for my experience and how more meaningful it is in my ongoing journey of enlightenment. Thank you , 56 and still trying to see.
Great videos, should be translated into other languages as well ... for everyone to understand!
You can use captions and auto translate and it has a couple of already embedded languages for users from other countries. Sadly. These thoughts always impose on the deeply rooted cultures and religious aspects of everyday human life even till today.
I love Agrippas Diary!
I just love your videos! Very illuminating and entertaining. Way the heck better than a college lecture! 👍👏👏
Loved and remembered this impactful message when I first heard it in a philosophy class in college.
I ♥ After Skool
Men, defend your historical cultural wisdom.
This is the best After Skool I have had the privelage of watching. THANK YOU!
Thank you! It's time to do another one with Agrippa's Diary.