What is true and the real use of Justice. To center thought around one world, carry a baseline, then go into with wonder knowing nothing is full grown or atleast fully blossomed. Then to contemplate to creating examples to help add to the paradigm of understanding to the best words could for one in the chain of growth for the inner sun that passes infinitely to all that put a hand on it, that hold hands with it, that learns to walk with it. Justice, what a word. Beauty, what a focus for the word.
An excellent lecture. Look at us now in 2024. What have we learned here in America? When one knows, one doesn't know, and when one doesn't know, then and only then one may. A general definition of civilization: a general definition of exhibiting the fine qualities of truth, beauty, adventure, art, and peace. Philosopher Alfred North Whitehead
Well, in the first part of this lecture series, the word reason fits my thinking much better than the word justice - so look at it from this point - what is reasonable. Then - the philosopher king - well, let's put it this way: Democracy is compromise. There are many different interests in society and it is the duty of the politicians - the philosopher kings - to compromise. Not “the winner takes all”! You see, this is one perspective of the crisis of American democracy: that certain or many politicians are unable and unwilling to compromise. To have a good balance for many different interests and to see the people/society/the state/the country as a whole. Balance is justice.
Well its interesting that the Republic is the most famous in these times with political economists and theorists dominating social thought and behaviour. (Some may call it science). However, Plato's most important work in the Middle-Ages as can be seen from a section of Raphael's fresco 'The School of Athens' was the Timaeus. Thank you for the upload and Image.
My argument after listening and to my understanding all categories of who should lead; I would think that a government that combines all of them may suit for the well being of any given society. It would provide a balance that is needed for any society stability and success in all its endeavors.
If you want to read the Republic in 2 hours, you could listen to this instead. A good overview of the whole book, tying together the various strands of political thought and epistemology. Anderson presents it as almost a tragedy - we could build utopia but we are destined to fail as we would kill those who could help us realise it.
I think the first 1500 years of Christianity followed Plato... distrust the senses, true power in a church that was concieved as institutionalised mysticism and a theory of wisdom, that ideas are real (in heaven), living outside us and are channelled by special people called saints who were killed then raised up again as ideals. His distrust of the senses and human capacities is central science's ideas of objectivity in science. His approach is also central to a lot of Hinduism in India, which makes me wonder if they are somehow embedded in Indo-European languages.
@Philosophyoverdose thanks for the upload. Do you have any tips on where the rest of Charles Anderson's lecture series might be found? Another account on TH-cam uploaded lectures 1/53 and 2/53 but it seems to stop after that. Thanks for any help and I really love your channel
Why the coughing? What are they coughing from? Are they in a carbide mine? Flu season?? There is no time of 30 seconds or more without some coughing fit from someone in the room.
The main philosophical mistake of Plato was, perhaps, that he equated the form (eidos) with an ideal, perfection, whereas it may be more appropriate for it to include both the ideal version and all the variations, imperfections, and deviations that it may incorporate.
The ideal is an idea in humans' heads. There is no single ideal. There is evolution and change in everything. Plato's thinking was the act of a man who didn't have to change babies' nappies, wash up, do the shopping. He lived in a slave society and was an initiate of the Eleusinian mysteries - secretive sun worshipping cult. His work is misread.
We all need a more just and peaceful society whereby everyone is treated as equal and with the respect we deserve...but unfortunately, in any western society...some are more equal than others 🤓😂😜 😎 accordingly to your attributes, talents, virtues, strength..e.i...meritocracy and on the other hand, your weaknesses .... Excellence vs mediocrity! Beauty vs ugliness in the humans eyes 👁️👀
It is not called depublic. Res public (public ''thing'') It is called politeia. Which means city. The citizens .It is neither called der staat as its translated in german. If you translate it staat (status) the book becomes almost a nazi book. Plato is obviously conservative but he remains Greek Please try more accurate tranlations. Greeting from Athens
@Martin Isreb thank you for your indirect compliment on my hypothetical ability to do it but there are hardles. First , i m not wealthy at all so i cant do it as a hobby. in my spare time Someone has to pay for it. Second ,colloquial ? I dont know It might get even worse.When we try to understand someone from a different era we must try to go there and not bring it here. I ll give you a couple of examples. Women didnt vote in Athens, This sounds not democratic at all If you ''go there'' though. you will see that the smallest unit in ancient Greece is not the individual person. It is the family. You and your wife and children were one thing. Second and more easy to misunderstand. Only free citizens had political rights Why? Because they land was their s Someone who rents a flat will never die to protect it. The owner will. The same with the working class ( an other mistranslation ) It is not slave. It is worker. They could be youn nanny your teacher your assistant at work or a public servant A secretary in the city hall. It is the same word for work today in Greek. The free citizen on the other hand who didnt care about the public matters and politics was called idiotis. You guessed right. Idiot derives from this word. Anyway, thank you for the honour but i think it is very difficult for me to do it
@@casteretpollux this is a speech in English with Greek words only by aa Grreek polititian in Washington in 1957 You do speak Greek already ''Kyrie, I eulogize the archons of the Panethnic Numismatic Thesaurus and the Ecumenical Trapeza for the orthodoxy of their axioms, methods and policies, although there is an episode of cacophony of the Trapeza with Hellas. With enthusiasm we dialogue and synagonize at the synods of our didymous Organizations in which polymorphous economic ideas and dogmas are analyzed and synthesized. Our critical problems such as the numismatic plethora generate some agony and melancholy. This phenomenon is characteristic of our epoch. But, to my thesis, we have the dynamism to program therapeutic practices as a prophylaxis from chaos and catastrophe. In parallel, a panethnic unhypocritical economic synergy and harmonization in a democratic climate is basic. I apologize for my eccentric monologue. I emphasize my eucharistia to you Kyrie, to the eugenic and generous American Ethnos and to the organizers and protagonists of this Amphictyony and the gastronomic symposia. Η δεύτερη ομιλία στις 2 Οκτωβρίου 1959: Kyrie, It is Zeus’ anathema on our epoch for the dynamism of our economies and the heresy of our economic methods and policies that we should agonise between the Scylla of numismatic plethora and the Charybdis of economic anaemia. It is not my idiosyncrasy to be ironic or sarcastic but my diagnosis would be that politicians are rather cryptoplethorists. Although they emphatically stigmatize numismatic plethora, energize it through their tactics and practices.Our policies have to be based more on economic and less on political criteria.Our gnomon has to be a metron between political, strategic and philanthropic scopes. Political magic has always been antieconomic. In an epoch characterised by monopolies, oligopolies, menopsonies, monopolistic antagonism and polymorphous inelasticities, our policies have to be more orthological. But this should not be metamorphosed into plethorophobia which is endemic among academic economists. Numismatic symmetry should not antagonize economic acme. A greater harmonization between the practices of the economic and numismatic archons is basic. Parallel to this, we have to synchronize and harmonize more and more our economic and numismatic policies panethnically.These scopes are more practical now, when the prognostics of the political and economic barometer are halcyonic. The history of our didymous organisations in this sphere has been didactic and their gnostic practices will always be a tonic to the polyonymous and idiomorphous ethnical economics. The genesis of the programmed organisations will dynamize these policies. I sympathise, therefore, with the aposties and the hierarchy of our organisations in their zeal to programme orthodox economic and numismatic policies, although I have some logomachy with them. I apologize for having tyrannized you with my hellenic phraseology. In my epilogue, I emphasize my eulogy to the philoxenous autochthons of this cosmopolitan metropolis and my encomium to you, Kyrie, and the stenographers.
Wonderful set of lectures. I was sorry to see that Prof Anderson passed away 10 years ago almost to this day, but this is a fantastic way to live on..
Professor Charles Anderson is a true teacher.
What is true and the real use of Justice. To center thought around one world, carry a baseline, then go into with wonder knowing nothing is full grown or atleast fully blossomed. Then to contemplate to creating examples to help add to the paradigm of understanding to the best words could for one in the chain of growth for the inner sun that passes infinitely to all that put a hand on it, that hold hands with it, that learns to walk with it. Justice, what a word. Beauty, what a focus for the word.
a most excellent lecture!!
An excellent lecture.
Look at us now in 2024.
What have we learned here in America?
When one knows, one doesn't know, and when one doesn't know, then and only then one may.
A general definition of civilization: a general definition of exhibiting the fine qualities of truth, beauty, adventure, art, and peace.
Philosopher
Alfred North Whitehead
could you upload more of Professor Charles Anderson's lectures they are great and thank you for uploading this too.
Well, in the first part of this lecture series, the word reason fits my thinking much better than the word justice - so look at it from this point - what is reasonable. Then - the philosopher king - well, let's put it this way: Democracy is compromise. There are many different interests in society and it is the duty of the politicians - the philosopher kings - to compromise. Not “the winner takes all”! You see, this is one perspective of the crisis of American democracy: that certain or many politicians are unable and unwilling to compromise. To have a good balance for many different interests and to see the people/society/the state/the country as a whole. Balance is justice.
Are there anymore lectures from Charles Anderson on the Republic?
Well its interesting that the Republic is the most famous in these times with political economists and theorists dominating social thought and behaviour. (Some may call it science). However, Plato's most important work in the Middle-Ages as can be seen from a section of Raphael's fresco 'The School of Athens' was the Timaeus. Thank you for the upload and Image.
My argument after listening and to my understanding all categories of who should lead; I would think that a government that combines all of them may suit for the well being of any given society. It would provide a balance that is needed for any society stability and success in all its endeavors.
If you want to read the Republic in 2 hours, you could listen to this instead. A good overview of the whole book, tying together the various strands of political thought and epistemology. Anderson presents it as almost a tragedy - we could build utopia but we are destined to fail as we would kill those who could help us realise it.
I think the first 1500 years of Christianity followed Plato... distrust the senses, true power in a church that was concieved as institutionalised mysticism and a theory of wisdom, that ideas are real (in heaven), living outside us and are channelled by special people called saints who were killed then raised up again as ideals. His distrust of the senses and human capacities is central science's ideas of objectivity in science. His approach is also central to a lot of Hinduism in India, which makes me wonder if they are somehow embedded in Indo-European languages.
Greetings Professor, from Paris.
What is the Plutonic ideal of a cough drop?
@Philosophyoverdose thanks for the upload. Do you have any tips on where the rest of Charles Anderson's lecture series might be found?
Another account on TH-cam uploaded lectures 1/53 and 2/53 but it seems to stop after that.
Thanks for any help and I really love your channel
No, but I will continue to upload the ones I have here: th-cam.com/play/PLhP9EhPApKE82OnSzT4hASK5TD-FAoFR-.html
Excelente exponencia... thanks 👍😎
Why the coughing? What are they coughing from? Are they in a carbide mine? Flu season?? There is no time of 30 seconds or more without some coughing fit from someone in the room.
I looked in the comments here, after 45 min of enjoying the lecture, specifically to see if this apparent epidemic was commented on.
..i clear my throat to you sir.
The main philosophical mistake of Plato was, perhaps, that he equated the form (eidos) with an ideal, perfection, whereas it may be more appropriate for it to include both the ideal version and all the variations, imperfections, and deviations that it may incorporate.
I thought the greeks were were versed in dialectics.. pre socretean thinkers had already found that truth and pefection self refuting.
The ideal is an idea in humans' heads. There is no single ideal. There is evolution and change in everything. Plato's thinking was the act of a man who didn't have to change babies' nappies, wash up, do the shopping. He lived in a slave society and was an initiate of the Eleusinian mysteries - secretive sun worshipping cult. His work is misread.
@@DJWESG1 Athens went backwards and turned away from science once they had slaves.
Plato is the most important philosopher known to the West.
We all need a more just and peaceful society whereby everyone is treated as equal and with the respect we deserve...but unfortunately, in any western society...some are more equal than others 🤓😂😜 😎 accordingly to your attributes, talents, virtues, strength..e.i...meritocracy and on the other hand, your weaknesses .... Excellence vs mediocrity! Beauty vs ugliness in the humans eyes 👁️👀
Whoever was coughing in the audience should have been asked to Leave .
does sickness bar you from knowledge?
@@aydc6740 Yep.
It is not called depublic. Res public (public ''thing'') It is called politeia. Which means city. The citizens .It is neither called der staat as its translated in german. If you translate it staat (status) the book becomes almost a nazi book. Plato is obviously conservative but he remains Greek Please try more accurate tranlations. Greeting from Athens
interesting
@@arcade5765 thank you. The best responce i could ever imagine. ''intresting'' Thank you my friend . That s theg oal if thereis any. Thanks
@Martin Isreb thank you for your indirect compliment on my hypothetical ability to do it but there are hardles. First , i m not wealthy at all so i cant do it as a hobby. in my spare time Someone has to pay for it. Second ,colloquial ? I dont know It might get even worse.When we try to understand someone from a different era we must try to go there and not bring it here. I ll give you a couple of examples. Women didnt vote in Athens, This sounds not democratic at all If you ''go there'' though. you will see that the smallest unit in ancient Greece is not the individual person. It is the family. You and your wife and children were one thing. Second and more easy to misunderstand. Only free citizens had political rights Why? Because they land was their s Someone who rents a flat will never die to protect it. The owner will. The same with the working class ( an other mistranslation ) It is not slave. It is worker. They could be youn nanny your teacher your assistant at work or a public servant A secretary in the city hall. It is the same word for work today in Greek. The free citizen on the other hand who didnt care about the public matters and politics was called idiotis. You guessed right. Idiot derives from this word. Anyway, thank you for the honour but i think it is very difficult for me to do it
Thank you. That is both helpful and depressing at the same time. The only thing for it is to learn Greek hmm.
@@casteretpollux this is a speech in English with Greek words only by aa Grreek polititian in Washington in 1957 You do speak Greek already
''Kyrie, I eulogize the archons of the Panethnic Numismatic Thesaurus and the Ecumenical Trapeza for the orthodoxy of their axioms, methods and policies, although there is an episode of cacophony of the Trapeza with Hellas.
With enthusiasm we dialogue and synagonize at the synods of our didymous Organizations in which polymorphous economic ideas and dogmas are analyzed and synthesized. Our critical problems such as the numismatic plethora generate some agony and melancholy.
This phenomenon is characteristic of our epoch. But, to my thesis, we have the dynamism to program therapeutic practices as a prophylaxis from chaos and catastrophe. In parallel, a panethnic unhypocritical economic synergy and harmonization in a democratic climate is basic. I apologize for my eccentric monologue. I emphasize my eucharistia to you Kyrie, to the eugenic and generous American Ethnos and to the organizers and protagonists of this Amphictyony and the gastronomic symposia. Η δεύτερη ομιλία στις 2 Οκτωβρίου 1959: Kyrie, It is Zeus’ anathema on our epoch for the dynamism of our economies and the heresy of our economic methods and policies that we should agonise between the Scylla of numismatic plethora and the Charybdis of economic anaemia. It is not my idiosyncrasy to be ironic or sarcastic but my diagnosis would be that politicians are rather cryptoplethorists. Although they emphatically stigmatize numismatic plethora, energize it through their tactics and practices.Our policies have to be based more on economic and less on political criteria.Our gnomon has to be a metron between political, strategic and philanthropic scopes. Political magic has always been antieconomic. In an epoch characterised by monopolies, oligopolies, menopsonies, monopolistic antagonism and polymorphous inelasticities, our policies have to be more orthological. But this should not be metamorphosed into plethorophobia which is endemic among academic economists. Numismatic symmetry should not antagonize economic acme. A greater harmonization between the practices of the economic and numismatic archons is basic.
Parallel to this, we have to synchronize and harmonize more and more our economic and numismatic policies panethnically.These scopes are more practical now, when the prognostics of the political and economic barometer are halcyonic. The history of our didymous organisations in this sphere has been didactic and their gnostic practices will always be a tonic to the polyonymous and idiomorphous ethnical economics.
The genesis of the programmed organisations will dynamize these policies. I sympathise, therefore, with the aposties and the hierarchy of our organisations in their zeal to programme orthodox economic and numismatic policies, although I have some logomachy with them. I apologize for having tyrannized you with my hellenic phraseology. In my epilogue, I emphasize my eulogy to the philoxenous autochthons of this cosmopolitan metropolis and my encomium to you, Kyrie, and the stenographers.
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why is doctor phill lecturing about plato?
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