The CHINESE ELECTRIC SPORTBIKE was hiding a BIG Surprise...
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ต.ค. 2024
- The Electric Sportbike from China is getting upgrades!! This is the first video of a series of upgrade videos. But today, the Chinese Electric Sportbike through us a surprise that we DEFINITELY were not expecting - It was housing a well-constructed Lithium Ion battery pack! BUT, the battery pack is a seemingly old, used battery pack that doesn't hold much charge. Check it out in the video. SO strange.
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It’s possible that the battery pack is new however it only takes a few faulty batteries in the pack to render the entire pack weak. Just like a lawn hose, the hose maybe new but only one kink and it’s output is low.
Yep. A few bad cells is all it takes. It can ruin the other cells as well. Might be best to take all the cells apart and see which ones are good and bad. Not a task I would be looking forward to. But I bet most of the cells can be salvaged
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Chances are, and it's a wild guess, is that they construct these packs from used laptop batteries. Laptop batteries can die, but still have viable cells - and so they wire them using those 'good' cells. Maybe some duds got through. Something about that pack on the whole gives me the heebie jeebies though.
MattExzy I had a similar thought. I bet they built this one with all the bad batteries
I used to have a 40V 40A 1600W scooter. It was quite Fun at up to 30mph. The battery went bad after 1 year (60% of capacity left), and after 1,5 years it only had a range of less than 5 miles, thanks to bad cells.
Buy a smart BMS, monitor all cell voltages. Just build a 21s 18p lithium ion. Smart BMS, is essential. A close up those cells display any coding be much appreciated. Maybe find Deligreen active balancers keep you riding longer. Great video.
I watch your chanel just because that messy China bike. 😂👍🏼
Loving to hate?
I watched motocheez on some of his china bikes. Inja just got shafted by some con men.
@@hell_march6652 What make me sad is the reality. Besides serious EV companys strugeling. Other scamers damage the image. What ever... if he ants to get a cheep and good chinese electric.. why not ride a Surron ?
@@itsoktolovechina Nah i love it.
@@LexSummer Price point. Simply put. No one can really compete with china as far as price in concerned. Its quality thats the issue. Its simply a matter of time before that catches up with other products. Seriously though look at the hawk 250. Depending on which version you get. Its about 1/3rd the price brand new or less than any of the major manufacturers like kaw, suzuki, or honda.
WOW! We are looking at the earliest beginnings of an electrification mod's ever done on an Electric Bike! This is to me is historic because it's an every day person who does not work for a company! Thanks for sharing! These are exciting times we live in because in a few year from now everything is going electric!
I watched your stories about the Chinese e motorcycle. I was pretty excited in the first episode you uploaded 7 months ago, and then just got more and more embarrassed watching each following video as a Chinese. There are good and honest sellers and there are those with integrity problems. Hope you could figure this out. You are very persistent on this! Good luck!
You should open a business venting the good and the bad and be a secondary broker for auditing the reps and dealers charge $300 to connect a buyer to a 100-% dealer. Give each a % score of satisfaction probability outcome. Call your co. SPO insurance. They are cheap products unless u get taken. Lots of room to pay to get a good referral.
I love your cat man❤️🤗
Yosemite is the MAN
Ikr. Theyre delicious!
I thumbed up just for the cat :)
Holy Shit... I thought that was a pillow until I read this comment¡!
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
18650’s bro vapers are probably getting excited seeing all of them in one place 🤣
Hahaha
That was the first thing on my mind ;)
Lol
Like seeing the saga of the Chinese Electric Sportbike and would like to see you hook up the original battery again this time with the wires properly soldered and see its potential with the stock battery. Likely the poor connection was a cold solder joint so that's why it didn't fully charge.
Hopefully! We'll be testing it all soon, but I'm not expecting much more than a used/recycled bad battery.
Let’s gooooo!!!!! Glad you found somebody to help you out with this. I’m taking electronics in school, I want to see this battery being made.
Heck yeaaaaaa
You're gonna LOVE these next few videos. Complete step by step battery build video coming soon.
been using 18650's for years for various things, and when I saw the light green batteries in the video (albeit different), I was like "oh no". The cheapest USB power banks always have those green cheapies in them. If they were Brown or Purple it would have been more encouraging evidence. Looking forward to seeing the ride w your new battery pack.
5HINOBI yep purple is LG and Samsung mostly
That doesn't matter nowadays when they re-wrap used cells to whatever colors and brands they want.
LG MJ1s are green tho...
Test the cells and see if you can replace the bad cells and save yourself some time. A while back I tore apart the 18 volt cells in one of my okd drills and found 3 or 4 dead cells. I was able to jump start the bad ones with a 12 volt power supply and a small light bulb to buffer it a bit. It blew the bad crystals inside and the cells came back and was holding a charge again for a long time.
For sure, that's the plan! Next phase for this new battery is testing and seeing what we can use in addition to our new battery!
I wish I knew just what you've forgotten.
Nice mate,this bike has heaps of potential for upgrades 😎👍
Definitely 💯
Noice! Good luck getting those numbers up, bro! I've been keeping up on your videos about this bike, I'm interested to see where you take it!
Appreciate it!
I appreciate your honesty and sure that many people will respect you for putting out honest content because half the crap you see anymore is bogus with smoke and mirrors and many tend too use favorable content that is a half truth at best.
I have been following your playlist and was wondering if you ever got the "moped/scooter" registered in the US?
Looking forward to the build video. I have a BMW k1200s with a blown motor that I’m hoping to convert to electric, so trying to learn and gather info, especially about building the pack and sourcing a motor, controller, and charger.
Two you tube channels that will help a lot are ebike school, and jehurica.they literally wrote the book on diy battery packs,and an Indian company called veruzend,sells plastic kits that clip together to form many different packs the use nickel strips and nuts for connections instead of soldering or spotwelding
Ronald Harris thanks! Do they also do electric bicycle conversions or car electric conversions?
@@ebdbdave yes to both
Anybody notice the cat beside him. I thought it was a cushion. Ha
yes we can see the cat
Perhaps it was from the bike and they removed the cat to improve performance 😁
Seems to me the battery could of been that low during shipping it damaged the cells. The charging wire was just a crappy loose connection and probably could of caused a fire as the wire probably would of got hot due to the resistance when charging. Just a good thing you took it apart and found it in time.
Have you tested the BMS? If theres a fault on that or it's not programmed correctly then you will never get a full charge.
Yes there was probably a dry joint on that wire but it was still connected otherwise it would not have charged at all.
Can't wait for the night rider led on the bike in the next video.
Your cat looks chilled out
Man! I'm in love with this motorcycle idea/concept. It's matte black, sport bike design and silent. For only 1.200 bucks I wouldn't mind using it for in-city use. I'm really exited for this series.
-Cheers :)
Lots more coming for you :)
I got a faulty charger one as well....happens when coming in a freight from the ocean.....scratches! Battery issues!.....just have to be cautious when unplugging next time....many variables can occur while a few weeks in sea...
I can't wait, I've been following this bike since you got it!!
close the pack again throw it on a dc converter outside of the house and make a backup pack when grid is down to give you some power... paraleling it with resistor and converter
ANT 300 amp BMS & Sabvoton Controller = Whoosh
2:11 best second of vid. Cat be like "I'm the meow"
I had a radio controlled model car, a couple of years ago, which used a fuel cell. There is a possibility that you could convert the electric bike to fuel cell in the future. On the RC car (which was mad in China) the fuel cell used distilled (deionised) water which charging separated into hydrogen and oxygen. When running the hydrogen and oxygen were recombined to generate electrical current. Obviously huge advantage over battery packs as service life is over 1,000 x longer. Still requires charging but the reactive medium (distilled water) is easily sourced from the steam from a kettle or the distilled water in a portable dehumidifier. Also distilled water is sold at garages for lead acid battery topping up.
The Fuel Cell was yet another British invention during 1955.
Y ooooooo, Fresh jacket!!
Excellent breakdown,this video was a very enjoyable update bro. Please keep it up..I am loving this bro:)
When testing the original cells, hopefully you either soldered or welded the wires you had connecting to the dummy cells... that's a likely place to get inconsistencies. Are you sure those aren't the Tesla size 2170/21700 ?
They ended to being 26800 cells. Had about 7100-7500 mah each
Is the next video ready yet? Lol. Jk but seriously I am excited to see what happens next.
so what are the measurements of the "significantly" larger batteries ? 32900? 20700?
26x80
Odd. That is a weird size for sure.
@@GaryBleck hehehe I have no clue, 26800 are for sale on ali, maybe we are all just too used to the 18650s :) then when you check the home page of the manufacturer (Liitokala) they do not seem to make 26800...
I love the kitty cat.
Glad to see that you blew up off someone trying to bring you down! Awesome work g
Interesting bike upgrades!! How about adding Maxwell Ultracaps 3000 farads, to boost acceleration?
If you put a wire lug on the wire ,you can bolt the lug to the bms instead of solder. Just a thought
From what I see is the video , the bms doesn't look like it can handle the amps. I know with higher voltage batteries you can use smaller conductor's but that orginal battery needs a thicker wire. That probably explains the massive voltage drop because you were generating heat. Also what was the thickness of the Nickle?
Maybe. Couldn't tell ya, haven't diagnosed everything just yet. Putting the bike together with the new battery first!
Hey friend. I’ve been enjoying your vids...thanks for making them.
My pleasure 🙏🏽
i was gonna get one this week. they got back to me through e mail and i told them never mind i dont want to get scammed like the inja on youtube. so u just cost them 2100 bux just from me alone. thought ud like to hear that :) :) :)
Cool! I am interested to see this bike up and running.
sir, i also have the same electric sport-bike like yours, mine is 72v45ah SLA batteries. i think you need to upgrade your batteries from 72v20ah to 72v40-60-80ah, so you can enjoy the long ride trip. hope this help you sir! cheerss
Yep, we boosted the battery significantly!
You should do vlogs💯❤
Hey brother love your vids on electric bike man but did u get a new control to bigger battery won't mean anything if the control is shit just wondering thanks in advance
Inja u didn't respond to me I think the next video u will talk about I bet u got a new one haha
18650 cells which is what those look to be are the most commonly counterfeited battery ever which may be the case. And it could also be there are some defective cells in the pack which would reduce voltage and performance. I may be mistaken on the size of the cell
I love your cat 🤗 but you woke him up like bam here I am!! In the beginning of the video 😂😂😂🙈
I'm surprised it isnt a Lead Acid battery, a lot of people claim these cycles get shipped with them and need to be upgraded to Lithium ion. As for the pack, I'd suspect a little of column A and a little of Column B. If the solder wasnt strong then it wasnt making a consistent connection (heck it could have even been a fire hazard), I also think because cheap companies tend to salvage old batteries from old laptops and other devices (because they might be old, but still technically work) the individual battery charges might not have been properly balanced (which can cause some batteries to work harder to even the load) on top of being badly connected to the BMS, which may have harmed the batteries even further, a domino effect. Of course there's potential in any of the parts for being faulty, from the BMS to the motor controller, maybe even the motor itself. Fingers crossed! Good luck! Can't wait to see how it turns out.
I'm sure if anything happened with the original batteries is that became out of balance in which you would have to recondition them individually (very time consuming). But after this is done you could definitely reuse them... Looks like you have the right guy helping you out anyways I'm sure he'll have you set up really nice after all is said and done.
For sure man. We got this 🙌🏽
Dang, boi, battery looking thiccc
😍😍
maybe it is a LiFePO4 battery, they are havier, less capacity, biger, BUT less/no chance of explosion,
I can’t stopping watching your cat
Guy gave you a bunch of junk quality batteries or recycled batteries. You should definitely hold onto them and use them for some of your other builds. If you wanted to you could use some of them for your lights and auxiliary power. Great build love your stuff.
Im wondering what cells you used for making the battery pack
The battery pack that came with your bike looks like the same battery pack that Rich rebuild used on his mini bike build
You welded the batteries in a series/parallel configuration with each other.
Not a good idea.
The voltage of a stronger battery might wear out a weaker battery.
What you need is the negative (flat) side of the battery welded together, and the positive side to a BMS.
If you can afford it, each cell connected to their individual wires to the BMS.
Then use a power inverter to convert the 2,7-3,6V to the 70V the rotor needs.
It's the best way to have a long lasting battery pack.
BMS for battery packs, aren't cheap. But perhaps you can find cheap BMS boards for 1 to 10 batteries,and just buy a bunch of these,making clusters, using another BMS to control the BMSes of the battery pack.
It'll handle low voltages, but high amps.
Excelente trabajo saludos desde Argentina
I don't think it was used. There have been some quality issues with this technology. It's just not up to par yet. Sometimes the shipping destroys.
Could be!
@@TheInja Any luck??
@@仮名川よしろ not yet
I am no pro but would the battery take some few cycles to get up to performance? I ordered a battery pack kit for my samsung watersport camera that came with few batt packs. I charged em tried the cam and it was dead after a few minutes. I left a review on amazon and the seller sent me a message to do 3-6 charge cycles for the pack to get full performance. And yup 1 battery pack took 6 charge cycles until it finally lasted the 45 minute of video recording. One of the other batteries took 7 or 8 charge cycles to get the oem performance. Then i updated my amazon review to note how many charge cycles it took for full perfomance of the li on
Im an electrician. The batt pack is good. The wire only being partially connected is a problem.
I think there's a 100% chance that those cells are not what they advertised them to be. All the capacities are vastly inflated in adverts now also when the battery is low the bms will cut the output so it appears totally dead till it's been charged a little?
Yeah, I'm sure they aren't good.
Well if you excited imagine how I feel.Great news.
Wondering if you can remove the hub motor frombthe rear wheel. Then rebuild the wheel like it was the back wheel of a gas powered motor bike. Next manufacturer a way of connecting the hub motor to a motorbike gear box. 3000 wat motor through a r1 gear box will work nicely. Ok you have to manufacture a clutch system but it should work.
right on, Man
72v full charge would be 84v-85v and cut off point would be 60v unless you bypass, and to stay safe use till 65v would be safe
Yeah won't be running it all the way to dead
Charger is 2.8A and your new battery capacity is? 20? 40 ah? For a start it's ok but later you need change charger for at least 10A. 2.8A charger will charge for example 28Ah battery in 10 hours. So if you have 40Ah battery you should charge it some 15 hours it's more then overnight charging.
With loss it's more like 2.8a 28ah = 14-16 hours some will be heat and a battery never gives you back what you put in. So 40ah will take a very long time to charge probably more than 24 hours
Awesome work thanks for the content
for sure
Don't care about the bike anymore, love the cat.... I want more of the cat😻
the cat is soooo cute
Is that 17" rims?
All those products are built with used cells they reclaim out of the e-waste we ship them by the ton.
Look exactly like 27650s
Used to be used in vape gear for more continuous amps.
That's very impressive. Ten minutes to tell it's a bad lithium battery.
Cat be like, nah, i'm still tired from yesterday's tired.
lol
Those batteries are probably not old or use, there are just different quality (brands) on the market. If you compare a branded high performance 3500mAh battery (for example Nitecore) with a cheap (fake) random unbranded 3500mAh Chinese battery the difference in performance can be HUGE, this is a common fact.
Hey Inja. I started watching your videos prior to me getting my e bike. They sell these bikes here in Brooklyn NY in these little shops. You walk in with cash, and the first thing you realize is the language barrier is far too strong to get around. So the guy selling them, just hands you the keys and sends you on your way.
I ended up buying this SAME EXACT model.
I have so many questions. But the thing that has me most concerned, is that it’s rattling when I go over any type of bump in the road. The bike sounds like an old beater of a car. Like things are loose. I ride dirt bikes, and the only thing I hear when I hit a bump on my dirt bike is the air leaving my rear shock.
Is it normal for these bikes to sound like you have a bucket of bolts in the storage compartment every time you hit a bump or drive off a curb?
To me the main power/ motor wire look way to small. They probably get 🔥
Love the project man, but it sucks that you stretched a minutes worth of content to hit the 10 minute mark.
Have to these days, and if you actually watched the whole thing, there was more than a minute's worth.
I'm just curious about something. You stated that the original pack that you just discovered was lithium, was a 72 volt 40 amp hour pack. Yet you show the second charger that you were sent (after the original charger 'fried') ......with video of the charger showing specifications for charging a 72 volt 20 amp hour battery as apposed to the 72 volt 40 amp hour battery you had in the bike. So you were charging the 40 amp hour sized battery with a charger designed to charge a 20 amp hour sized battery. Could this have lead to those cells in the original battery possibly never receiving a full charge due to the wrong charger in the first place and therefore leading to it's demise ? Just curious. Thanks.
morris p. He must have just misspoken slightly because chargers are rated as a voltage and an amp rating. Basically, the amp rating just tells how fast it will charge, so you can’t really “underpower” a battery with a charger, so to speak. I believe the one he has is a 5 amp charger, which is fairly low, but lower is safer for the battery, just slower. Hope that helps!
Yeah, I may misspeak every now and again. I'm not a pro at this, so next video you'll have someone who actually knows this stuff explain it all. 👌🏽 But the charger will do the job for sure and is correct for the battery.
@@curtmacneill8703 .... That's not what I meant. I realize the amp rating itself pertains to the speed at which the charger will charge. I'm talking about SIZE (amp HOURS (ah) of the battery) something completely different. In the video you will see clearly printed on the charger that was being used, that the charger was made for a 20 amp/hour SIZED battery. But it was being used to charge a 40 amp/hour SIZED battery. That charger is looking to shut off when the 72 volt 20 amp/hr battery it was designed for ... is fully charged, but can't get a proper reading because the battery it is trying to charge is twice that size (72 volt 40 AMP/HR) .... I'm not trying to be smart here, but it could very well have been that the lack of the proper battery sized charger (as in amp hours) sent initially with the bike might have been the problem from the get go. Explains the limited range the first time you took it out and why it's registering toast now. Probably never had a full charge from day one. The original lithium 72 volt 40amp/hr battery might be salvageable, if you can get your hands on a true 72volt 40 (forty) ah charger or any programmable lithium charger. Good luck with it all. Cheers.
@@morrisp.5583 i have 2x 14amp/hour 48 volt batteries in my bike, i use a 2amp 54.6v charger , it takes approx 7 hours to charge one at a time, I think it's the voltage thats more important to fully charging, the amps just impact on the charge time, i might be wrong but i've done over 8000k on my e-mtb and the math(s) always checks out. probably find a 72 v battery requires a 82v charger.
@@TheInja .... Just as a quick follow-up. I double checked the Battery University website (I highly recommend it for anything battery related) regarding matching chargers ah rating to battery size in ah and sure enough it stated that the deviation should be no more than 25 % or charging issues will occur. Just thought I'd pass that on. Best of luck with everything. Cheers.
I may be late but maybe the faulty charger messed up something with the battery and that’s why there was an issue
Who is the actual manufacturer of the bike is there a way to buy it from them directly?instead of dealing with a shady dealers on Alibaba ?
Let us know how much u payed to get new battery made please.
Where do you get your batteries? I want to built one but im scared to get ripped onlff on Aliexpress or Aliababa
Links in the videos to all the components....links might be outdated at this point though. AliExpress
what kind of bike and where can i get one for 1500
I loved your cat 😍
Link to where you bought it from? I want one, despite the issues you had with the battery.
I put a link in the description to my warning video before you buy one (that video has the links for it)
Hey ayyyyye Garfield the cat lol that's chinise bikes for ya
The batteries are 18650 you can actually get them in many different places
The new ones are, yes, and not cheap
What? Did you find some coronavirus in the gas tank?
Hahaha
The cells you said were custom looked like 18650's
they weren't. I think they were 28 somthings.
26800
Quality control was missing it would of been caught, the seller most likely got it at half price and resold it full price. I’ve bought Razer electric bike on eBay for quarter price and fixed brand new bike just returns.
I love your content. Im excited on your new update
that's so trueeeeeee . i have this Chinese bike same as u got it 7 month ago and the battery was to much crap like big big crap after 4 month its almost dead .
2:57 if that thing was in my mom kitchen,, you're dead,,, 🤣🤣🤣
Now you talk all nonsense. Bad charging wire doesn't make the battery performance bad. If you suspect that they used bad cells test them properly and measure the discharge capacity, internal resistance and max discharge current. Get some actual data and compare to specs. Also a battery upgrade doesn't improve performance just longer riding time. If you want to improve performance you need to swap the motor battery and speed controller.
White Jaguar unless the battery was the limiting factor 🤷🏽♀️. If it couldn’t provide enough voltage or current then the speed will suffer. Case and point, if you ride on a battery long enough you will start to see less performance. A bad battery would just start from decrease performance capability.
Bro that's exactly what I said we are doing. Running tests, but again the battery was shot. Not reaching nearly a good battery's performance.
I woud like to know if i drive at 40-50km/h how many kilometers can i drive with one charge ?
Not sure! On this battery though, about 40 miles / 70 km
Ever cure the speed problem?
What hoodie is that? it's noice.
Ironically it was from AliExpress. Haha
20S (4.2v x 20) = 84v. Why in the world is the charger only going to 72v? At 72v each cell is at 3.6v which is basically dead. All the power is between 3.7v and 4.2v. That was probably your issue.
hey, how much amp BMS in this?
(1.23) plz check in video
Yeah, Zero helped out! Be careful not to fry the motor.
We'll see how she does 🤷🏽♀️