How's it going, sorry for the delayed upload but here's my take on competitive Donkey Kong in Smash Ultimate. Source: Konga vs Esam- • DPOTG Winners Semis - ...
As a long time DK main, this is probably the best guide for the character in Ultimate that I've seen so far. It breaks from the typical "here are all the things this character can do" standing in training mode with a CPU for 15 minutes format, and flows very nicely. The type of guide players will come back to for reference when they need a refresher on the dong mindset.
Fighting philosophy with my Smash Bros guide, why not? On the note of parrying, it can not be understated how the mastery of that as well as learning the patterns of the more common and fast characters can make up for weaknesses in other areas. It isn't 3rd Strike strong but Konga is still recreating that magic which reminds me of how Q or Alex can be really usable despite weaknesses.
@thelastgogeta ahh another traditional fighter fan; I’m one of those people who read (most of) daigos book, and as an eastern philosophy nerd of course I’m bringing in the real world stuff lol. If you like that stuff check out my samus guide which talks about the empty fort strategy. I feel like parrying will come naturally over the next few months for just about everyone. It’s so hard to make a balanced but competitive heavy in any fighter, and aside from broly (because I’m a nerd) in dbfz dk is my favorite heavy in any game rn
Hey! Question for you: you went over a few characters yo cover DK's bad matchups in this guide. Do you have some suggestions to cover Samus's bad matchups? I struggle mostly with short characters like Pichu and Squirtle when using her.
@MikeydactylGaming Hihi, so the short answer is use tilts more and better. Neither of those chars can safely get in past her tilts when combined with dash attack and projectiles. On the same note avoid using instant shorthop aerials and z-airing cuz it’ll go right over their heads. Also avoid using laggy stuff like up smash, grab spam, rolling, etc because any good Pichu/pt will punish all of those thing super easily. Not sure what level you’re at or anything, but honestly just practicing properly spacing your tilts will do worlds for any samus player
Oh and if you saw my samus guide remember the empty fort strategy? Very important against small fast characters because the trick is to aim not where they are, but where they will Be when your move comes out. Waiting a moment between big hits to read/react to a defensive movement option that they use will help because just one good read on Pichu can mean a stock
@@Dr.Jay. Dang! Thanks for such a swift response man! So I sit comfortably in low elite-smash territory online with both Samus and Dark Samus, and I don't go to tournaments (yet). So I guess you'd probably consider me a low-level Samus. haha All that advice is great, thank you. I think my #1 biggest struggle vs Pichu for example is ground pressure. I feel like I have no *real* out of shield options vs. Pichu outside of up-b which is just asking to get read and hard-punished. I'm used to using N-air as my safe out of shield option vs. normal sized characters, bit obviously that doesn't hit a grounded Pichu. Anyway, thanks again. I'll take this advice to heart the next time I fight a short characters online! :)
@MikeydactylGaming no problem, happened to be checking the vid and I always respond to serious questions! Careful when you do go to tournaments though, what works online with samus doesn’t work as well irl. You actually hit a really good note on oos options against short characters, as this is actually a relatively common problem but especially for someone like samus. You either have to learn to parry into d tilt and such, or simply not shield as much and use tilts and spacing for defense. I had a similar problem in melee with Dr. Mario, as a lot of his oos options aren’t good enough vs spacie shield pressure and cap fal/marth grabs and spacing and stuff. So basically I adapted by not shielding nearly as much, and this was back when wave dash out of shield and (my specialty) doc up b cancel was a thing. So I imagine the same principle applies in ultimate- defensive tilts (big/fast hitboxes) and spacing is the best defense over shielding and rolling.
@MikeydactylGaming yooo just realized I missread the question. You meant which characters to pick up as secondary’s or counterpicks right? I think young link, wolf, or maybe cloud would cover samus. All of them do well against fire emblem characters and have similar neutral game based strategy
As a long time DK main, this is probably the best guide for the character in Ultimate that I've seen so far. It breaks from the typical "here are all the things this character can do" standing in training mode with a CPU for 15 minutes format, and flows very nicely. The type of guide players will come back to for reference when they need a refresher on the dong mindset.
DK main here tysm for this! Do you have any more videos on the concept of microspacing and how to practice that?
Fighting philosophy with my Smash Bros guide, why not?
On the note of parrying, it can not be understated how the mastery of that as well as learning the patterns of the more common and fast characters can make up for weaknesses in other areas. It isn't 3rd Strike strong but Konga is still recreating that magic which reminds me of how Q or Alex can be really usable despite weaknesses.
@thelastgogeta ahh another traditional fighter fan; I’m one of those people who read (most of) daigos book, and as an eastern philosophy nerd of course I’m bringing in the real world stuff lol. If you like that stuff check out my samus guide which talks about the empty fort strategy.
I feel like parrying will come naturally over the next few months for just about everyone. It’s so hard to make a balanced but competitive heavy in any fighter, and aside from broly (because I’m a nerd) in dbfz dk is my favorite heavy in any game rn
This is a really bad ass chanel! Really useful info man !
I got my switch taken, thanks for giving me something neat to study as a DK main so I don't lose my skill! (planning on watching fists of fury btw)
Implying utilt is one of dks best moves ok buddy
Hey! Question for you: you went over a few characters yo cover DK's bad matchups in this guide. Do you have some suggestions to cover Samus's bad matchups? I struggle mostly with short characters like Pichu and Squirtle when using her.
@MikeydactylGaming Hihi, so the short answer is use tilts more and better. Neither of those chars can safely get in past her tilts when combined with dash attack and projectiles. On the same note avoid using instant shorthop aerials and z-airing cuz it’ll go right over their heads. Also avoid using laggy stuff like up smash, grab spam, rolling, etc because any good Pichu/pt will punish all of those thing super easily. Not sure what level you’re at or anything, but honestly just practicing properly spacing your tilts will do worlds for any samus player
Oh and if you saw my samus guide remember the empty fort strategy? Very important against small fast characters because the trick is to aim not where they are, but where they will Be when your move comes out. Waiting a moment between big hits to read/react to a defensive movement option that they use will help because just one good read on Pichu can mean a stock
@@Dr.Jay. Dang! Thanks for such a swift response man! So I sit comfortably in low elite-smash territory online with both Samus and Dark Samus, and I don't go to tournaments (yet). So I guess you'd probably consider me a low-level Samus. haha
All that advice is great, thank you. I think my #1 biggest struggle vs Pichu for example is ground pressure. I feel like I have no *real* out of shield options vs. Pichu outside of up-b which is just asking to get read and hard-punished. I'm used to using N-air as my safe out of shield option vs. normal sized characters, bit obviously that doesn't hit a grounded Pichu.
Anyway, thanks again. I'll take this advice to heart the next time I fight a short characters online! :)
@MikeydactylGaming no problem, happened to be checking the vid and I always respond to serious questions! Careful when you do go to tournaments though, what works online with samus doesn’t work as well irl.
You actually hit a really good note on oos options against short characters, as this is actually a relatively common problem but especially for someone like samus. You either have to learn to parry into d tilt and such, or simply not shield as much and use tilts and spacing for defense. I had a similar problem in melee with Dr. Mario, as a lot of his oos options aren’t good enough vs spacie shield pressure and cap fal/marth grabs and spacing and stuff. So basically I adapted by not shielding nearly as much, and this was back when wave dash out of shield and (my specialty) doc up b cancel was a thing. So I imagine the same principle applies in ultimate- defensive tilts (big/fast hitboxes) and spacing is the best defense over shielding and rolling.
@MikeydactylGaming yooo just realized I missread the question. You meant which characters to pick up as secondary’s or counterpicks right? I think young link, wolf, or maybe cloud would cover samus. All of them do well against fire emblem characters and have similar neutral game based strategy
Implying sideb doesn't have a great hitbox ok buddy
Implying dk loses to pichu ok buddy
Implying dk isn't mobile ok buddy
Implying dk is slow ok buddy
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