Mormon View of God: Trinitarian, Arian, or Polytheistic?
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- Community of Christ and most Christian denominations uphold the belief in the Trinity, whereas The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, commonly known as the Mormon Church, has a unique understanding of the nature of God. Instead of one infinite and omnipotent God, they describe the Father a being who was once human, but through eternal progression, achieved exaltation. Because multiple beings could become God-like, Mormon theology proposes a form of polytheism.
Hahaha bro calls the mainstream LDS the Mormon church but his own RLDS church not Mormon. 👍👍
Clear and concise.
I've never heard the Mormons summed up so simply and clearly. I wonder if Mormons would agree.
We are as Monotheistic as the Trinitarians profess, whatever that really means to them in the first place. Just because you invent a definition for God, doesn't mean you have accurately described Him. Polytheism isn't a good description because it is widely accepted as a separate willed creation, when we believe in a single willed creation.
No!
Not even remotely.
What he's yacking about is on the same level of a kindergartener explaining to Elon musk how to wire a rocket😶
I'm a Latter-day Saint, the nicknamed Mormon is dragatory. There are 70 different groups in Mormonism. So some information gets mixed up. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints My group is the biggest group and the most famous. We have the God Head which is The Father, The Son Jesus Christ, and The Holy. Although separate beans They are one God. They know all things nothing is hidden from Them. They don't need to progress They are the Most High. We as humans progress not the God Head. If any of you have questions ask and I'll try my best to answer.
derogatory
@@kittycat1302and most Mormons don't seem to find it derogatory
Derogatory only since 6 years ago when the church ended its 8 year long "I'm a Mormon" campaign. Just because 6 years ago the current prophet deemed it so, doesn't mean it's now derogatory for anyone who uses the term.
I'm LDS. I'm frustrated when I see members say this kind of crap online. We seem so self centered and childish when we say stuff like this after nearly a decade of spending millions on trying to bolster the word Mormon only to do an about face (which is FINE if you're a believing member) but to expect the whole world to agree overnight and to say it with zero cognitive recollection of its use is just...
It makes us look really stupid. So stop.
Every version of LDS (and all other religions for that matter) are cults based on mythological deities. Jesus may or may not have existed (no actual evidence exists) but if he was real he has certainly been mythologized in the tradition of Alexander the Great, the Roman Caesars and many others from the ancient world. That was the common practice of the time. People following religions today are simply maintaining ancient mythological belief systems used to explain the world. Why anyone in the modern world with verifiable scientific facts readily available to anyone who seeks truth would follow these very civilization damaging dogmas (witness Gaza at the moment) is beyond me. 🤪
And Mormonism is nothing like polytheism.
Polytheism is the WORSHIP of more than one god.
Henotheism is the belief that multiple gods exist with the practice of worshipping only one god.
So the Mormons are henotheists, not polytheists.
Hey John just wondering what your view of the Unitarian church would be? Is it Arian or??
Seventh-day Adventist believe in Trinity
So you have pretty clearly demonstrated that multiple contradictory interpretations can be taken from the same ancient book. What method do you use to conclusively determine that your favored subjective interpretation is the correct one without access to the original authors of the texts?
The Catholic church
You don't get that in this life.
God gave us brains, we have to use them....or you could decide a man in a fancy hat has all the answers.
@@langreeves6419 sure bud just implying that your favorite subjective interpretation is the right one because of “using your brain” clearly doesn’t actually address the issue at all, it just makes you think you’re special. Many highly intelligent people have taken completely contradictory interpretations from the same source material (the Bible) so how do we know who is right? Just take Calvinism vs Arminianism and their radically opposed views on salvation. You can do the whole “my favorite interpretation is good because me the big smart” schtick but it gets us nowhere.
@@MrMattSax wow, you really misunderstood me! not sure why a person using their brain is so bad to you and why you think using your brain is to make one feel special? Your inferiority complex is showing due to your projection. If anyone is doing the schtick you are quoting, it is you, not me.
I merely pointed out that we cannot know the answers, but we should use our brains. OUR brains, not MY brains. How you misread it so badly is amazing.....I guess you didn't really read my comment, you were only looking for someone to insult.
@@bourbonrebel5515
The catholic church are polytheistic
They worship Mary and the Saints which is contradicting to the command of God
No other Gods before me
Yeah, we are definitely non-trinitarian, We don't believe much that came out of the council of Niecen. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost. We'd rather have you call us Polytheistic than Trinitarian. We believe Jesus Chris created the world under the direction of his father.
trinitarianism is not monotheism by any stretch of the imagination. It is tritheism at best and it is borderline polytheism. Three persons each one of them is a god and different from the other. Ergo you have three gods.
Three hypostasises of the same substance, all co-eternal, co-substantial, and co-equal. Study plato and neoplatonism and maybe you'll understand.
You are talking about Hinduism then. Except it’s possibly infinite as humans may “need” rather than just three persons (one of the “persons” being a non-person Dove-thing entity).
@@letsomethingshine How is this Hinduism? There is much about Hinduism that I do not understand. But if I understand the comment above, this is still one “God”. Perhaps this is a poor example, but I think of it as water. Water can be solid, liquid, or steam, but it is still water. This view of God: co-eternal, co-substantial, and co-equal is all sufficient. By this I mean, there is no need for other gods outside of the one. Being infinite, this one God can manifest in infinite ways, but I believe this is different from Hinduism. Hinduism has many gods, but they are quite different, one from the other, even having different assigned roles, and not agreeing amongst themselves. Correct me if I am wrong please. As I said, I do not fully understand Hinduism.
@@saxogatley1166the three distinct persons are the one God
@@saxogatley1166Remove that Pagan Influence from the Bible and you have a Monotheistic God.
Mormons do not believe in the Trinity. They affirm the unity of three personages, but the unity is a relational unity in purpose and mind, not a unity of essence. The three separate beings of the Godhead are three distinct Gods.
I grew up and remain polytheist
This is an acceptable collection of words
Non-trinitarianism is actually pretty old. The Polish Brethren were a unitarian church founded in 1563. In 1567, the Transylvanian unitarian Ferenc David succeeded in convincing his king, John II Sigismund Zapolya to convert and become the first unitarian ruler. The king then convened the nobles and the court and succeeded in proclaiming a new constitution which recognized the legal equality of the four major religions of the country, including Unitarianism, Calvinism, Lutheranism and Catholicism. All this to say, Unitarianism as an organized faith is only a few decades younger than Lutheranism and Calvinism, and has existed continuously ever since. The Unitarian Church of Transylvania as a formal body has existed continuously from when it was founded in 1568 until today.
The Jehovah's Witnesses believe that Jesus is the archangel Michael, from the book of Daniel.
That's not the same as "still god but not really", and it wouldn't have taken any longer to explain it accurately.
When you say “ and some of the *other* adventists” are you implying that Jehovah’s Witnesses and LDS are adventist? I was a Seventh Day Adventist for about 25 years. Though they are often lumped together with these other two as being a “cult” their teachings are different from either. My understanding is that in early Adventism, there was some Arian influence, but was later resolved into a Trinitarian belief. They believe that God the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are individual yet one in purpose. They believe that Jesus was one with the Father from eternity past, but not in human form. In taking upon himself the form of a human being, resurrected, and taken to heaven as such, he will remain as such (though in a glorified body-just as the redeemed). It is some what a different belief than a triune God, but it is a trinity in that there are three equal “persons” who are members of the Godhead.
not necessarily. Just fellow non trinitarian people.
Early church leaders inferred an infinite regression of gods, but it is in no way a core belief in our understanding of God. We do profoundly believe in and defend the infinite progression of gods as we believe every human to be a literal spirit child of God and therefore the same species, capable of not only partaking in God’s nature by sanctification through grace but in every sense inheriting all that God has. To be clear, our infinite potential to become glorified as He is can never catch up to or overtake His glory. He is King of kings and Lord of lords.
It is always shocking when people call Mormonism polytheism. As a believer it never seemed that way.
After hearing the explanation of why Mormonism is polytheism and considering it, yes Mormonism does fit into polytheism.
John, I would not characterize Mormon theontology as polytheism, but rather, simply inconsistent and confused. As well, Mormons simply do not understand the basics of the Trinity enough to differentiate their “godhead” having a single, unified purpose with three personage-gods, with a single god in substance in three hypostases/persons. Given Mormon lack of understanding of both their own theontology as well as the Trinity, it’s often simply a case of ignorance leading the blind.
While “Polytheism” means “many gods” the defining feature of polytheism is its lack of a unifying principle, and the individual gods do their own thing with their divine domains. Mormon theontology proposed a unifying principle of eternal law, and any divine person must be one with that law. While these ideas are laid out in sections 88 and 93 of the LDS D&C, modern, correlated Mormon teachings avoid any speculation as to any more divine persons other than god the father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.
There are significant differences between the Mormon godhead and the Trinity, but polytheism isn’t it.
As always, you are doing great work, and I just feel that it’s better to not dismiss alternative theontologies without first getting them right,
three beings who are one in purpose
On the contrary, I would describe the Trinity as an inconsistent and confused doctrine that many Christians are ignorant about.
God is One, Jesus Christ the son of God (who did not pre-exist before his birth as a man & the Holy Spirit the power of the One God.
that means if they're not saved, There is a hell ,and Jesus is real and he's the only way for Salvation.
This is religion by Fear
Do the Mormans know that? !! 😅😅
Wrong! you need to study LDS belief a little more you bon’t quite have it right.
Up until the influence of UU it was standard to enshrine a religion and a king to mandate that religion (thank God go liberals!)
Complicated...