This just screams Galatians 1:8 "But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed." and 2 Corinthians 11:4 "For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough."
his blood is the atonement and mormons believe that. Just because someone doesn't say it in the manner you would express yourself doesn't make them false.
@@all4jesus594you don't have to tell me that. I read the bible and I know that Jesus died on the cross for my sins and yours. They nailed him to the cross through his hands and feet. They pierced his side and he drank the bitter cup of gall. He wore a crown of thorns and sat in the sun all day long while asking Heavenly Father to forgive them for what they did not know. He took upon himself all our sins so that we can return to heavenly father .
I think it’s a cultural thing. We absolutely believe Christ had to die to set the atonement in motion. We just find obsessing on the brutality of his death distasteful. To me, it sounds like Aztec, blood sacrifice stuff when you guys put all of the focus on that. I’m just being real with you. I think you deserve candor.
@@perrywashington7061 I will never understand this arguement. It's not obsessing about brutality. It's about respecting what He endured on our behalf. It's so bizarre to me to minimize the brutality He endured, because it's uncomfortable to acknowledge in a thorough, meaningful way. For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. The cross... the brutal death...
We teach of Both, Now, its not "Book of Mormons its Book of Mormon". The Bible is not a Book, its a collection of books and letters. So if you want to be a critic get it right.
Thanks, Dave, for the video. I remember when the missionaries were coming over, one night I suggested we open with praise songs. The sisters were very uncomfortable with the idea, and the next night refused. It was an eye-opener for me, the first time it because clear we were not in fellowship. I remember in college, all kinds of Christians would come together at a Campus Crusade meeting, or Intervasity, and sing praise songs and worship the Lord. No one was trying to convert each other. You didn't see a Baptist trying to convert a Methodist, or a Lutheran trying to convert a Presbyterian. Everyone had Christ in common. You don't get the same vibe with Mormons.
+Berkey Family Friend, sadly you are dead in your sins and have no idea of what it is to worship Jesus. Now take a look at some videos where hundreds of young folks, love that, I am an old man now, and love to worship Him, sing God Almighty's praises! Jesus!! As the apostle said literally, "Lord of me and God of me".. love that!! No, @bowrudder, they have no "vibe", because they have no spirit.. At least not the Holy Spirit.. He lifts up Jesus! LoveInJesus
***** You say "God called a prophet to restore all its fullness of the gospel to prepare the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and to preach correct doctrine." No one would mind if it really was a restoration. And no one would mind if it were correct doctrine. But it's not a restoration, and it's not correct doctrine. I think that's the only reason people object. Can I ask you a question? Do you think the Book of Mormon contains the "fulness of the gospel"?
***** Regarding adding and taking away, remember that the Bible was originally separate letters and scrolls. The warning in Deuteronomy is for Deuteronomy. The warning for Revelations is for Revelations. Can you explain to me why Joseph added things and took things away from Revelations? The curse at the end says that you are not supposed to, but he did. If you have an LDS Bible you can see it in the footnotes, and in the endnotes. Each change is marked "JST".
***** Can you explain to me why Joseph added things and took things away from Revelations, when the curse in Rev 22:18-19 explicitly says that you are not supposed to? _For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall _*_add_*_ unto these things, God shall _*_add_*_ unto him the plagues that are written in this book._ _And if any man shall _*_take away_*_ from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall _*_take away_*_ his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book._ (Rev 22:18-19) Joseph did both. He added and took away. If you have an LDS Bible you can see it in the footnotes at the bottom of the page, and in the endnotes. Each change is marked "JST". Do you think you will share in the curse if, knowing this, you sustain him?
***** I don't know what all this talk about translations is. You do know that the Bible wasn't written in English, right? It was written in Greek. Stop dealing with translations, and go to the source, read it in Greek. There is no textual basis for Joseph's changes. In fact, just the opposite. Joseph made changes to Isaiah, and when the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered, it became clear that Joseph's addition was wrong. This is from manuscripts pre-dating the timeline of 1 Nephi 13. So there is simply no evidence from the manuscripts to support Joseph's changes, and just the opposite, we find that where Joseph made changes, he was wrong. Do you think you will share in the curses of Rev 22:18-19 for sustaining him?
@@nicolelovesjesusgod7673 Right, and they should make you feel that way, as their doctrine is not that of the church. Joe Smith early on told his followers that he alone had the true doctrine, and all others were an abomination! These precious folks are deceived, so pray for them, but don't get involved with, nor study their doctrines, unless the Lord shows you to. Very deceptive stuff and remember who is author of these doctrine's! Even Michael the great angel did not mess with the devil, but merely said "the Lord (who is great in majesty, Glory, and power) rebuke thee".Jude 1:9.
In his first public miracle Jesus turned water into wine, at the request of his mother, Mary (John 2:1-11). He healed a blind man by rubbing mud on his eyes (John 9:1-7). He multiplied a few loaves and fish into a meal for thousands (John 6:5-13). He changed bread and wine into his own body and blood (Matt. 26:26- 28). Through the sacraments he continues to heal, feed, and strengthen us.
I love the way this is structured and I appreciate the way in which the interview was conducted. I think that religious views including the LDS church can be better understood in this kind of setting, without skepticism. Thank you for the video.
The problem, which was inadvertently stated by the young lady, is that we share a common vernacular. The problem is that similar words have subtly different meaning. More importantly, names means subtly different people. We (Christians) and they (the couple in the video representing LDS) all say "we are saved by Jesus", but our Jesus is to their Jesus what our Saint Nicholas is to someone else's Santa Clause. Sure, they seem to be the same, but one of them has a very, shall we say "expanded" story around him such that one cannot realistically call them the same. The Jesus they talk about is in conflict with the Jesus of the Bible, such that their own scripture has to separate itself from the traditional view of Jesus. So, while they look similar on the surface, the underlying beliefs are actually quite different. I fear the end results, on an individual basis, will be quite different, as well.
Could you maybe share a few differences, or atleast point out one difference that deminishes His role as the Savior. I can start you off: 1. Jesus is Gods son (in the bible) 2. Jesus is Lucifers brother (in Revelations it makes mention of the 2/3 hosts of heaven and those who followed Satan before the world was I actually learned that in Baptist Sunday school. If we all are Gods creations we are His children regardless of our standing with Him. If you have anymore I would like to hear them.
Thomas Russ Let's take just your first error in your second statement. Jesus is not the brother of lucifer, He is eternally the Word of God become flesh, never birthed of heavenly parents. He is eternal, that is without beginning and without end. He is the creator of ALL things, that is inclusive of anything and is not created but the creator..The Bible clearly says Jesus is eternal God and has always been God, without beginning and without end. John 1:1a "In the beginning was" (ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν) This is such a wonderful scripture to show us the truth of the eternal God. Here the Holy Spirit eludes to the creation in Genesis, but He moves us in this scripture from its reference to a point of time, and focuses on the beginning of creation, to the time of absolute pre-existence before any creation, which is not mentioned until Joh_1:3. This "time", this "beginning" has “a” beginning, which is also stated in John 1_3 ,John 17_5, 1John 1_1, Ephesians 1_4, Proverbs 8_23 and Psalms 90_2. This is worth noting, belaboring the point, as God intended us to know, He is eternal, Jesus, the Word become flesh, is eternal, without beginning and without end. The Greek shows us the concept appears not so much in the word “ἀρχή” “beginning”, but in the use of "ἦν”, “was", which is meaning absolute existence (as in the word εἰμί, “I am” in John 8_58 instead of the word ἐγένετο, came intobeing, or began to be, used in John 1_3 and John 1_14, of the coming into being of all of creation as He, the Logos, the Word created all things and of the Word becoming flesh. Three times in this sentence John uses this imperfect of eimi ,"ἦν, was", "to be" which conveys no idea of origin for God or for the Logos, simply continuous existence. Quite a different verb (egeneto, became)appears in Joh_1:14 for the beginning of the Incarnation of the Logos. See the distinction sharply drawn in Joh_8:58 “before Abraham came (genesthai) and the absolute existence, "I am” (eimi, timeless existence). Also there is a contrast between ἀρχή, in the beginning, and the expression ἀπ' ἀρχῆς, "from the beginning", which is common in John's writings (Joh_8:44; 1Jo_2:7, 1Jo_2:24; 1Jo_3:8) which in these instances takes the eyes of our hearts from a point in time, creation forward in time, and in John 1:1, upwards, past, beyond, before time itself. “In Gen_1:1, the sacred historian starts from the beginning and comes downward, thus keeping us in the course of time. Here he starts from the same point, but goes upward, thus taking us into the eternity preceding time” (Milligan and Moulton). So we see as ἀρχή must refer to the creation “The primal beginning of things”. And in this beginning of all of creation, “The beginning” of all created things, the Logos already was, He is eternal, beyond all time and space and He belonged to the order of eternity, no beginning and no end. God Almighty. “The Logos was not merely existent, however,in the beginning, but was also the efficient principle, the beginning of the beginning. The ἀρχή (beginning), in itself and in its operation dark, chaotic, was, in its idea and its principle, comprised in one single luminous word,which was the Logos. And when it is said the Logos was in this beginning, His eternal existence is already expressed, and His eternal position in the Godhead already indicated thereby” (Lange). If you miss this dear LDS you deny His deity, you deny who He is and relegate The Almighty to a mere created being not worthy of worship, a little "god" who is no God at all as there is only One God, and as the scriptures clearly state, Jesus, creator God Almighty, the Word become flesh, was, is and will always be God. Psa 90:2 "Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God." LoveInJesus
Dave Morrison Will a book the Holy Spirit inspires and moves those He chooses teach opposite things to what He says in the Bible? Would God plainly contradict Himself? Would a Father tell His child one thing in one book and something totally different in another? No, I don't believe everything in the Book of Mormon is wrong, I do believe it was not inspired by God.. I see nowhere in scriptures where God told anyone to stick his head in a hat with a peep stone in it and conjure up words to others that wrote it down Dave.. LoveInJesus
Dave Morrison, I don't see your post when coming to respond so I will do it here. It is not the same as those given the Word of God in the Bible. It is a form of divination and spiritism. Besides this, the The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has published many pictures of Joseph Smith dictating the Book of Mormon. These depictions invariably show Joseph seated at a table, carefully examining the gold plates which are in front of him on the table. The impression given is that the dictation process involved Joseph’s direct visual contact with the plates.However, this scenario does not square with the testimony of those who were eyewitnesses to Joseph Smith . Only recently as the church can no longer deny the actual fact of the BoM's creation because of the evidence was to great to deny any longer, and the depiction for "popular" consumption is fading somewhat. Although in the last 2 weeks I was called an "anti-mormon" for telling someone how it was created.. No laboring over golden plates, this was a sham and deceitful.. This doesn't begin to touch on the differences in doctrine between the Bible and Mormon scriptures and again, God would not state a truth in the Bible and then contradict it in another source.. If even an angel tells you "another gospel" .. well you know the rest of that.LoveInJesus
OneDayCloserToHim I have found no contradictions in the doctrines of the word of the Lord. Men may explain things according to their own understanding, which might be contradictory to some. In my mind, this only deepens my appreciation for what God has accomplished through the fallacies of men. The testimonies of God only run together to compliment eachother
Right, as kindness and love goes a long way, but we are also to "reprove, rebuke, exhort" with this kindness and love, which translates as, "long suffering"! "Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine." 2 Timothy 4:2.
I like the guy who did this interview. Very kind and not biased or judgemental. I admire and appreciate people like him and those who were interviewed who are just trying to follow the savior to the best of their knowledge.
No.. the bible commands us to judge with righteous judgment. The bible commands us to exhort rebuke and reproof. The bible commands us not to negotiate the true gospel. They believe in the wrong Jesus. Mormons believe they will become God one day. Mormons believe God was like us and became God. Mormonism is more like the 70 virgins in heaven Jihadist than Christianity.
@@yonas3838 very well said. I believe that too but Christians I know tell me love and tolerance.. WE need to keep our kids and loved ones away from them so they don't fall into that trap.
Dave, in the first 2 minutes and 45 seconds, you provided a wonderful and simple and accurate portrayal of salvation by faith alone. That was fantastic! Love ya' brother, LoveInJesus
@@buckleysangel7019 Hi, thank you for the response. Of course we would both agree that the Bible is the arbiter of opinions as to what is true. So… In response. You wrote: Satan has “perfect” faith? Besides the fact that the devil been judged already as Jesus stated, and there is no promise of salvation for any of the angels that fell with him. It does help to see, well that is not what is meant by saving faith in the Bible. We are told of course also in James, that the “devils believe and tremble”. Is that saving faith being spoken of? Really? They don’t tremble at the thought of salvation, they have read and know scripture, and see they are headed for the “Lake of Fire”.. There is no assurance of salvation. This is merely “mental assent”. It is not what we see as a saving faith at all. It is belief, a mental assent, knowledge, they are headed for eternal loss. In this we see in Act_26:27; Jas_2:19, the word refers merely to an intellectual assent to certain facts. This is not saving faith, or a faith that saves if you will. I think Jesus, of course being God and wanting us to know what real faith “in Him and His words is” would give us a simple example, any of us could see.. Let’s take a look at that to give context to what saving faith is, perhaps this little example, one of my 3 favorite stories in the Bible might illustrate the difference at a very basic level, between Mormonism and basic Christian salvation belief we see in the Bible. So we see, one person, what some would call a nice guy, in fact exemplary in his conduct. According to the law, guiltless in his outward life, at least to what “he” considered, and now that is saying a lot,( *_One does wonder who he was measuring himself against?_* ) Anyway, I am sure he had his *_Temple recommends_* in order.. *_Then we have the other man, well such a sad case for all to see._* Let's see if we can spot the fatal flaw here. Our story unfolds in the Book of Luke, chapter 18 verses 10 through 14 *_“Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God,_* ...I... thank thee, that ...I... am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. ...I... fast twice in the week, ...I... give tithes of all that I possess, ...I... go door to door ringing doorbells, ...I... have my temple recommends ..I.. ...I.. ..I...” *_“And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner." I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.”_* Can you spot the first of his thinking flaws? God evidently had no such problem. *_"and prayed thus with himself, God"._* The god of the self righteous as Jesus said, is "self". You can call it whatever you want, but it is self in the end. The Pharisee then went on to expound all his righteousness. Sounds a bit like *_"grace after all you can do, you owe me God because of my doing."_* doesn't it. Getting the picture friend? Sure you are.. God is speaking to you and what you consider as righteousness this moment.. Neither you or I can avoid conviction, we can justify ourselves at times though, but we can't avoid Him.. *_Then we have the one who was NONE of those good things._* Today, what would he be? Drug user? Adulterer?Just a sinner and he knew this didn't he! "would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner". Hey that's me! I recognize this guy! Wow, what a sinner, so far short of His perfection. But what happened? Grace that caused an inner change from a heart of repentance.Well what does Jesus say? *_"I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other"_* Paul stated it this way: *_"Eph 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;"_* Who's your God? Self? Sorry, that is what we are told. Dead in sins, self righteousness that did not receive forgiveness, *_Life_* . Are you trying to come alive a little at a time? It doesn't work that way friend. "all my righteousness is as filthy rags". No matter how many good things your self righteousness can point to, a dead man cannot make himself alive to God. *_He wasn't impressed with that friend._* Argue as you might, Jesus tells us who was forgiven, and who continued in his own righteousness. Your good deeds will never be enough. Your are unable to give life or coerce God into giving you life, by your deeds.. You are dead to Him, in your sins, and only He can give life. 1Jn 5:12 "He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life." The Book of Mathew chapter 5 verse 20 tells us *_"For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.”_* He tells us how we enter doesn't He, God is good, alone. Righteousness that has to *_“exceed” the law._* He tells us plainly how to receive forgiveness, justification, *_"just as if I never sinned"._* Hey just like the publican! That's me! “Lord be merciful, to me a sinner!” How about You? You are still dead in your sins, thinking that “doing” can make you alive.. How silly. Some foolish lds as Paul depicted others that stated that salvation by grace was, "let's do evil that good may come", who's condemnation awaits them evidently.. That is not what being forgiven is saying. He writes His will in us in our hearts as we simply live in Him now.. "in Him".. I am saved, and He gives me good works to do and I love to do them, because it pleases Him! Not that they save me! I am His child!! I don't earn sonship.. I am given sonship, undeserved, unmerited love of God shed on the cross, who's blood paid for my sin, made me "alive in Him".. Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. My name, I am told, with all the Saints is written in the Lambs Book of Life... I am so sorry for you LDS.... those other books are the books that are opened in Revelations just show our guilt, every idle word, deed, thought... that the whole world stands guilty in those.. There is no "curve"!! How horrible a lie! You are dead in your sins, or alive in Christ.. period.. That is our state. In “The Books”, You are guilty, all the good you do is filthy rags, in the other, “The Book of Life, they are the good works He plans for us to walk in, and are done from a heart that He has changed... Eph 2:10 *_For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them._* I am "created" a new man "in Christ Jesus" and His desire is "unto good works, which God *_hath before ordained that we should walk in them_* I am first a child, a son, His, and He creates in me, "to will and to do of His good purpose".. So saving faith is not mere mental assent. I was moved when I heard Jesus loves me and would come into my heart, save me, and He has changed me as I simply “believed” and keep believing and walk with Him as I know after over half a century of walking with Him now, *_For it is God who is at work in you, to will and TO DO of His good pleasure._* He gets the glory, not me. This is what saving faith does. Works follow faith, they don’t save me, the gospel of His dear son saves me… His blood shed for me on the cross.. but it did change me. I hope this helps to understand what Biblical faith is.. in Jesus.. a faith that saves. LoveInJesus
Sacred Tradition (CCC 75-83) Sacred Tradition should not be confused with mere traditions of men, which are more commonly called customs or disciplines. Jesus sometimes condemned customs or disciplines, but only if they were contrary to God’s commands (Mark 7:8). He never condemned sacred Tradition, and he didn’t even condemn all human tradition. Sacred Tradition and the Bible are not different or competing revelations. They are two ways that the Church hands on the gospel. Apostolic teachings such as the Trinity, infant baptism, the inerrancy of the Bible, purgatory, and Mary’s perpetual virginity have been most clearly taught through Tradition, although they are also implicitly present in (and not contrary to) the Bible. The Bible itself tells us to hold fast to Tradition, whether it comes to us in written or oral form (2 Thess. 2:15, 1 Cor. 11:2). Sacred Tradition should not be confused with customs and disciplines, such as the rosary, priestly celibacy, and not eating meat on Fridays in Lent. These are good and helpful things, but they are not doctrines. Sacred Tradition preserves doctrines first taught by Jesus to the apostles and later passed down to us through the apostles’ successors, the bishops.
Bartosawiets is not confusing the Bible with the traditions of men, on the other hand, LDS need to do a serious study of their religion from objective resources from outside to discover what their beliefs actually are.
Dave! God bless you and your ministry. I moved recently down the road to a Mormon Church. I’ve been trying to witness and befriend the young missionaries there. Playing disc golf together. Bringing them food etc. any tips for me on this journey of trying to love and show the LDS people the true gospel? Any help is appreciated. I’ve been watching your videos a ton. God bless
Mr. Dave B., you found some good Christians on the street and gave us the opportunity to hear what they had to say about their faith in Jesus Christ. Thank You.
that is how the LDS faith draws you in. We all as Christians should be acting in this way with being extremely friendly and loving but making sure that people know the truth and not tiptoeing around feelings.
Be a jesus follower but only serves, and worship his/our Father in heaven. Don't you listen or read your bible, or do you wait until a pastor or leader feeds you another doctrine which is contradicting your own bible? Where in the bible is it written that you should worship jesus? Wake up and read. Get out of the money hungry churches and their lies!
We also see Matt use the word , “Godhead”, and we Christians could use the same word.. We could both use a word, but not agree of course on what it means. So the big question for us Christians is, “how is this word used in the Bible”? What does it say? That really settles the meaning for us.. And you really need to understand the context of each use of the word.. so.. The one word, “Godhead” is used 3 times in New Testament in Act_17:29 , Rom_1:20 and Col_2:9. The one word "Godhead" is the translation of two Greek words which have a real distinction between them, and the distinction or “difference” is on their different derivations of the word.. So let’s look at the first “occurrence” in Romans. In Rom_1:20 we have the word theiotes. In this word, "Paul is declaring how much of God may be known from the revelation of Himself which He has made in nature, from those vestiges of Himself which men may everywhere trace in the world around them. Yet it is not the personal God whom any man may learn to know by these aids: He can be known only by the revelation of Himself in His Son; but only His divine attributes, His majesty and glory. . . . . and it is not to be doubted that St. Paul uses this vaguer, more abstract, and less personal word, just because he would affirm that men may know God’s power and majesty, His "theia dunamis" (divine power) (2Pe_1:3), from His works; but would not imply that they may know Himself from these, or from anything short of the revelation of His eternal Word. Motives not dissimilar induce him to use to theion rather than ho theos in addressing the Athenians on Mars’ Hill (Act_17:29)." In Rom_1:20, Paul states that the invisible things of God, here, His eternal power and His theiotes, His “divinity”, namely, the fact that He IS a Being having divine attributes, are clearly seen by man through the created universe. He is saying that we, you and I, “man” just considering on just the basis of the law of cause and effect, namely, that every effect demands an adequate cause, comes to the conclusion that the universe as an effect demands an adequate cause, and that adequate cause must be A Being having “divine” attributes. Then Paul goes on to say, it is the “creator” that we in verse 21. Maybe to the translators for the KJV, to them, *_"Godhead"_* is the best one-word translation of theiotes in Rom_1:20. But the term really has to be seen in *_context_* also, as also it’s “exegesis” proper exegesis of this passage. The same is true of Act_17:29. When Paul speaks of all men as the offspring of God, he uses the word theos for "God," the word that implies full deity as Paul knows God. But when he speaks of the Greek’s conception of God “That the Godhead is like” (to theion einai homoion). This “to theion is strictly “the divine” nature like theiotēs (Rom_1:20), and Paul uses “theiotes” to the Greeks because their reference without the revelation of God in Jesus, well they only knew or could see or understand Him, or even see Him as a Being of divine attributes, His power and the wonder and beauty that we see in creaton. A big difference is in Col_2:9 where the word “theotes” is used. In Col 2 9, we see Col 2:9 *_For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily._* This is not speaking of Jesus’ “divinity” or “attributes”, no no no. It is speaking of, “deity”. Jesus is *_“deity”_* told out, God come in the flesh, and all of God dwells in Him, as He is, the fullness of God, in the flesh. I think this quote by the scholar Trench, I believe sums it up, "Paul is declaring that in the Son there dwells all the fulness of absolute Godhead; they were no mere rays of divine glory which gilded Him, lighting up His Person for a season and with splendor not His own; but He was, and is, absolute and perfect God; and the apostle uses theotes to express this essential and personal Godhead of the Son." Here the word "divinity" will not do, only the word "deity." So, we see how important to look in depth, in context and “exegesis” to see what is true. Not what folks, say it means, unknowingly.. Here in Colossians, the deity of the Lord Jesus, not using the word "divinity" when we are *_referring to the fact that He is Very God._* Paul is not speaking of the “divinity of Christ”, His attributes here, only of His deity. Of course, Jesus, Our Lord has divine attributes since, He is deity, but that is quite another matter from the LDS understanding of how the word, “Godhead” is used in the Bible and what it means. It is NOT a loose "family" or 3 "gods" united in "purpose" in the text at all, *_but is specific and understood in the context of each use in the Bible._* I hope this helps you LDS see what we Christians see, because this is what the Bible speaks of. And we believe it, not to make it "true". We believe it, because it is true, and we must if we want to align our faith with what God states in His word. And every Biblical scholar of any learning agrees with what I stated dear lds. Being a student, I make sure . I have gotten the understanding, not tried to put my own "twist" on what I diligently pursue, righty dividing the word of truth. Sorry lds, there is no Biblical scholar that agrees with mormonism.. not a one. LoveInJesus.
Wow it’s so nice to see a video not demonizing is LDS Church members! Thank you for holding a respectful and simple conversation, many videos I’ve seen only try to tear us down. Very cool mission to connect religious in common beliefs... there’s way more in common between us all than people think haha. Thanks again:)
Unfortunately this is not witnessing to them. Now they go off NOT having been presented with the true Gospel of Christ, to continue their journey on the wide straight road leading to hell
As for first class miracles, first let us say that the miracles we discuss on this page are discussed repeatedly and consistently in the writings on lives of the Saints for the last 2000 years. These Saints have lived in all parts of the world and lived during every generation since the time of Christ, and yet they have all experienced the SAME miraculous phenomena time and time again. Are the miracles we discuss below difficult to believe? At first reading some of them may be, and that is expected with anything categorized as a miracle. The question one has to ask is why have these miracles been seen repeatedly for the last 2000 years, especially among Saints?
If you really want to know what they think about Christian believers, just ask them "What's is the only true church that exists on this earth?". Their answer is exactly the same of Jehovah's witnesses and others' false religions. Actually, following Jesus is not a religion. He didn't come to this world to plant a new religion. On the opposite, the people he couldn't stand was the religious ones, who forced others to practice what even they didn't do. Jesus came to die as The Lamb of God to restore the relationship with Him, because of that He told us to get together in His Name and Celebrate His Death sharing The Lord Super.(ICor 11) Whoever believes in Him and lives a life according to His teachings will be saved.(John 3) It doesn't matter If am Baptist or other denomination if I don't have a new way of life. Real Christianity is Relationship with God though Jesus Christ! Every other way of believe could be anything except Christianity! I used to go to that Church long ago, because of some friends, and they told me I had be baptized again, by the way, I am a Baptist. Worst than all, in the beginning they read the Bible with me, but when I went to their meetings they start to say that the Bible is not reliable, just the book of Mormon is. My Bible is my compass, my manual of life! I don't need anything more to show me His Salvation Plan! It's enough! Watch out! Who has ear to hear, let him or her to hear!
The only Scripture that mentions the word religion is in the book of James where it says there is right religion. So you might want to reexamine your claim about religion.
Dare Rosane Dias My story about Jehovah's Witnesses 4 years but not anymore I was shung by an elder they told me I'm not allowed to talk to women or going to date but I think it's stupid so I was molested by an elder even my dad's Bible study he doesn't talk to me anymore my dad's by was that was rude also was rude I left before my dad and that's a story about those Jehovah's Witnesses oh yeah and one more thing I pray to Jesus Christ I found another church and a friend of mine gave me a book called The Book of Mormon it's about Joseph Smith
Rosane Dias I hear you bro, I have been forced to go to church, how much money I have to send on tithing settlement. I have been spiritually annoyed and dictated by Christians almost all of my life with the Lord. I call them spiritual Hitler. One of the brother in Christ Jesus try to force myself to go over and preach the gospel to that person. I refused and he said that I am rebellious and influenced by demons.
I'm a mormon and I have faith in Christ and I know that in order to obtain his grace I must have faith. And faith without works is dead. So yes, I do works but it is Christ's grace that will save me.
Works means that you have to add yourself to the sacrifice of Christ. You will never be enough. Christ is perfect and sufficient. Only Christ is correct.
First let us say there are two basic categories of miracles; 1) First class miracles or what we call "significant" miracles are obvious interventions of God against the laws of nature, and are always astounding, undeniable, and unfakable such as the healings at Lourdes or Jesus walking on water. First class miracles in most cases are witnessed by others or leave undeniable evidence behind, so there is normally no question as to their existence. 2) Second class miracles are smaller miracles that usually occur to people personally, are not usually witnessed by others, and typically do not leave evidence behind for us to use as proof. These "personal" miracles appear to be a way God works through us and gives us direction in life. While second class miracles do occur, in many cases they may appear to have a natural explanation, and in many cases they are difficult to prove since little concrete evidence is left behind. Because of this, it is easily possible for people to claim they experienced a second class miracle when in fact they may not have. This page does not discuss second class miracles since they typically cannot be researched beyond the claims themselves. Rather this page discusses first class miracles in depth which can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt in most cases.
As we can see by Matt's error below. The strawman statement lds are told about us Christians and what a Trinitarian belief is. They go on and on about "they are not the same person", or as Matt, stating they are 3 distinct persons.. Duh... That is a strawman statement, I have seen this error on their lds web site, so understand where he gets it. Of course they are 3 distinct persons, that is Trinitarian in concept, AND they are 1 God.. period. That is where we differ from polytheistic mormonism. That is a Trinitarian believer speaking to you, giving you the concept in a nutshell.. And in almost half a century of speaking to other Trinitarian believers, that is what we believe. Of course we plainly see, The Father, the Word become flesh: Jesus, and the Holy Spirit( not just a "personage", another bizarre equivocation of mormonism) are 3 distinct persons. And they are 1 true and living God, as there is only 1, creator, of ALL things. Not only the sustainer of life but Life itself, and "in Him" we have life, now, and forever, His.. Because God Himself, took on flesh, the second person of the Trinity, and whose blood was shed to purchase our ransom, and we that believe, "are moved into the Kingdom of His dear Son".. Oh yes, we see 3 persons.. 1 God, *_the_* true and living God as we are told, eternal, without beginning, without end.. Almighty.. as of course, God is. LoveInJesus
They were such a lovely couple and handled it so well. Like Dave said most people don’t want to talk about Christ on a video as well, they were really sweet.
As an evangelical, I agree with what this couple is saying almost completely. We have the same core beliefs and I would think that's what matters. There aren't too many differences. If your church professes Jesus Christ and that he is lord and savior I believe you will be saved(read John 3:16 for more on this). I feel that there are people apart of each church that are and aren't saved wether you be lds, Evangelical, baptist, Methodist etc. Some people from each church people do not understand "that it is by grace you have been saved, through faith, not by works so that no one can boast"-Ephesians 2:8-9. While I am young in my faith in god being 15 I believe in it sincerely.
@@sidname9538 my thoughts exactly. As a member of the church and a return missionary, what this couple shared is all that we preach in the church. Pick any member who has any idea about our doctrines at all and they would say the same thing.
the LDS man said the beliefs are all the same but that's not true. The LDS church puts Jesus on the same level as Satan and all the other angels. They don't believe He IS God come in the flesh, so their doctrine is way off.
THAT IS ABSOLUTELY REDICULOUS. Yes, they were both sons of God, but Jesus wants the Glory for his father and Satan wants the glory for himself. Satans is gods fallen son who wanted no one to have joy or to be happy because he himself can never have that.
the Bible mentions "God head" not "trinity" also Jesus Christ himself after the resurrection "gained all power both in heaven and earth" -which makes him a God-separate and distinct from "God the FATHER" he now being knwon as "God the SON" (and also by the term "God the Father" because through the Atonement he gives us LIFE (by definition a "FATHER" Gives LIFE to a CHILD) both spiritually and physically through the resurection. it is obvious that Godhood as a state of being can be achieved in both a spiritual body as well resurrected body and I dare say that, universally, our paradigm/definition/understanding of what "GOD"/"GODHOOD" is, is very flawed and that we lack a lot of understanding regarding this state of being. anyways, follow that up with Acts 7. Stephan saw TWO glorified individuals (post resurrection of Christ) and was at the same time "filled with the holy spirit" that gives you 3, THREE, SEPARATE distinct individuals/beings which are collectively called IN-THE-BIBLE- the "GODHEAD" (not trinity) also i would go read Romans 8, john 10 (of which Jesus Himself Quotes Psalms 82) for some further understanding on the topic.
M Fort, just the opposite is true. Please go to lds.org and search a talk given by Elder Faust in part of it he said: "Our greatest hope comes from the knowledge that the Savior broke the bands of death. His victory came through His excruciating pain, suffering, and agony. He atoned for our sins if we repent. In the Garden of Gethsemane came the anguished cry, “O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.”10 Luke described the intensity of the agony: “And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling to the ground.”11 All of us can find hope in Peter’s experience during the events leading to the Crucifixion. Perhaps the Lord was speaking to all of us when He said to Peter: “Behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: “But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.Our greatest hope comes from the knowledge that the Savior broke the bands of death. His victory came through His excruciating pain, suffering, and agony. He atoned for our sins if we repent. In the Garden of Gethsemane came the anguished cry, “O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.”10 Luke described the intensity of the agony: “And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling to the ground.”11 All of us can find hope in Peter’s experience during the events leading to the Crucifixion. Perhaps the Lord was speaking to all of us when He said to Peter: “Behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: “But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.”
@@kelleynrothaermel2311 Satan is a fallen ANGEL, NOT the Son of God. What are you talking about? I think you should stop reading the book of Mormon and start reading the Bible.
I never met a Mormon I didn't like. Always respect the young men that take 2 years out of their life to be missionary's. How many young people today would do that. As a religious group I think they do a lot for their community. However I think the LDS religious tenents are bonkers.
This couple are very strong in their faith and they got the Spirit! I wish many others from LDS would be so awaken. I am not LDS, I am a Christian Minister, but I know many LDS, and have studied their teachings. I may not agree with all, or rather similar to other Christians would not search for answers which we won't know until we are in Heaven, but the Mormons can for sure be an example for the other followers of Christ with their deep devotion, gentleness of spirit and heart, and care for the world around them in all aspects. I respect them much!
+Maria Jordan So, I know to disagree with anything you say means you cannot speak to it... and only your opinion is non-argumentative.. As being a new believer as you mentioned.. you are full of wisdom now, and posted what you thought was a nice post on how Mormonism is Christianity... So let's look at your post to see.. forgive me Maria if I as an old man in Him, saved from a life of drug addiction 4 and a half decades ago now.. maybe I have some insight.. doubtless this is eclipsed by your understanding of the Bible.. but let's see.. is all I ask.. The following are some of the major differences in your statement you missed that are not Biblical: You posted:"He possessed the powers of a God" Answer: No, He is not ever referenced as "a god".. He is God..The Word become flesh.. The Son, is, "God with us".. not "a god".. Mormonism diverges into worse error at this point. You posted:"We believe that the effects of His rise from the tomb pass upon all men and women. “As in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive” (Corinthians 15:22)" Answer: Maybe being a "new" believer you do not understand context in reading the Bible.. But I know you understand this principle Maria as anyone does. We all have seen and heard others taking something out of context, knowingly or honestly.. This scripture is not speaking to those that have NOT received Christ as Savior!. For context read the prior scriptures.. We see Paul is speaking to believers about the resurrection certainly, and their FAITH in Jesus........And their "faith" is unable to save them if Jesus had not risen.. Then they would be "in your sins".. Just like all humanity.. What a terrible thing.. 1Co 15:16 For if the dead are not raised, then neither has Christ been raised. 1Co 15:17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins! You stated:"We do not believe that we can either overcome the flesh or gain eternal reward through our own unaided efforts. We must work to our limit and then rely upon the merits, mercy and grace of the Holy One of Israel to see us through the struggles of life and into life eternal (2 Nephi 31:19; Moroni 6:4). We believe that while human works are necessary- including exercising faith in Christ, repenting of our sins, receiving the sacraments or ordinances of salvation and rendering Christian service to our neighbors - they are not sufficient for salvation (2 Nephi 25:23; Moroni 10:32)" Answer: Where to begin? There is so much.. how to describe simple fallacy there it is hard to describe. It is all about works, now matter how it is masked.. look at the wording.. "through our own unaided efforts" "we must work to our limit and then rely upon the merits, mercy and grace" "that while human works are necessary" "receiving the sacraments or ordinances" "rendering ...... service to our neighbors" Salvation, receiving the Spirit is by hearing with faith, believing the gospel, we are sealed with the Holy Spirit and moved into God's Kingdom.. period.. His grace isn't "after all you can do".. It is first, it is what qualifies us for our inheritance, it is my standing before Him... He see's Jesus' blood as the atonement for my sin.. period.. We are dead in our sins no longer.. That is the thing you are missing there.... and it was missed in the post on 1 Corinthians... You are either dead in your sins... or Alive In Christ... period.. There is no other state we are in.. I am forgiven, His child, a friend of God is what He calls me.. not because of anything I do... I cannot add to His blood shed for me.. That is my "position" and life "in Him".. You either have life, or you don't. That is what the Bible say's. We are created for good works, that we should walk in them dear lady.. but that is not what saves me.. Yes my faith is alive and not dead, as I am alive In Christ, and I walk in the light with Him... that is my walk.. that is living "with" Him.. I don't gain sonship.. I don't get "life" by being good... I receive life.. Joh_1:12 But as many as received Him, He gave them the authority to become children of God, to those who believe in His name; Mormonism is not Biblical Christianity.. Now you may be a new Christian and I cannot tell in this context by anything other than what you "say" you believe.. Just as likewise.. You and I cannot see each other's hearts.. But we can take what each person we meet and thoughtfully compare it to the Bible.. That, as a Christian has been and is what I have been shown to do by the Holy Spirit.. Everyone can have an opinion. There is nothing inherently wrong with that.. What is opinion, or in this case, faith, built on.. Jesus said you will know the truth and His Word is truth.. I am going to check what anyone says to me against that... As Paul commended the Bereans.. that is what we Christians are to do. You are certainly entitled to your opinion.. as I am, and to disagree is certainly allowed in a forum if done respectfully.. I have had 3 wonderful LDS friends, whom I respect, as I respect you as a person, but scripturally lay my case that your statement is in error, according to the scriptures.. Now any point I made, of course you can respond and it is appreciated.. But my response will be in context of the Bible.. LoveInJesus
+epotterable Sorry friend, you've painted what I don't believe because.. you say so.. lol.. Sorry, those are your conclusions.. they aren't mine.. Contrary to your statement.. I have made it clear what I believe.. that was rather humorous.. oh.. I am not supposed to tell you.. sorry.. you've been studying since... okee doke.. LoveInJesus
+epotterable Thanks a bunch again for telling me what I believe again, what a gift, lol... oh... I would respond, but "I can't tell you".. you've "been studying since"... gotcha.. okee doke.. seems irrelevant to have a conversation with me then isn't it? You can just imagine what I think..I am sure you're right.. (;-} okee doke. LoveInJesus
+epotterable I didn't say you said those things are irrelevant, I said, you tell me what I believe? Again.. what a gift.. But then you told me not to tell you what I believe.. so again.. a conversation implies you listen to what another says.. You "know" apparently.. so it seems irrelevant when you "know"...Your conclusions are all based on your myopic view of what Christians believe, and you paint all in your mind in your bent of what you have studied.. "oh,, you have studied"... ahh sure.. Lord bless you.
+epotterable So if I may. So you say you are not a Mormon. You say you are a Christian. I read you said you were going to be a pastor. You must have studied at a seminary? Or is it just the basic dogma you studied as you stated? At any rate that is not my question I want you to see... In reading any of the things you say you've studied.. ( I do wonder which denominational school it was as that would help also in response ). So if you "were" denominational, do you believe anything about the denominational tenets you were studying? If you were not a specific denomination.. Do you believe any tenets of anything you read? About any of them.. Do you believe anything from any of the Fathers that you read? Any point at all they believe? Now... If you answered honestly and I believe you will to any of those questions.. So, you probably or most likely believe some tenets of different denoms you've read. You probably agree with "something" one of the Fathers you like to talk about, but disagree with "some" things they state.. Of course the answer is yes.. Now that would exclude some folks, as their certainly are some folks that accept whatever their denom says on all points.. And there are a bunch, and I have talked to folks that don't agree with every point of their church, but still are.. whatever denom they belong to.. Then we have non-denoms that are from one end of the spectrum from 5 point Calvinist to way out Arminian.. Now just because anyone in that spectrum of belief believes some of the tenets in some degree, BY NO MEANS, means they agree with every single point.. How presumptuous of you, to tell over 2 billion people exactly what they believe.. I chock it up to youth.. and understand.. So.. If you can agree with a tenet someone said, and NOT believe every single point that denom or person or early Father believes..... Why cannot you extend and see that is the case for others?? So.. again... don't tell me friend what I believe. I read the Bible and so many other books. I just got a couple of new ones. The New Linguistic and Exegetical Key To the Greek New Testament by Rogers.. pretty thick but love it so far.. So.. again, listen to others if you want to know what they specifically believe. I am not a denom Christian, and the church's I see growing are not.. I saw over 60 people being baptized just the time before last I went, and a bunch the last time... And you know what.. I take everything my young pastor says and put it against the Word of God.. The Bible.. That is what I believe is true and I am told to test everything against it.. period. I love what one of my pastors long ago said.... "Don't believe me!! check it out". "check it out".. He was referring to as Paul commended the Bereans, to take what he said and test it against the Bible... LoveInJesus
Such an official interpreter is absolutely necessary if we are to understand the Bible properly. (We all know what the Constitution says, but we still need a Supreme Court to interpret what it means.) The magisterium is infallible when it teaches officially because Jesus promised to send the Holy Spirit to guide the apostles and their successors "into all truth" (John 16:12-13).
The true Church of Christ must be universal: No matter which part of the world you may travel to, you will notice that all Catholic Churches are called "Catholic". Now consider the names of churches started by the Protestant reformers such as Calvinist, Lutheran, Congregationalist, Protestant etc. Protestant churches were not in existence before these names existed, and these names were not created before Protestant churches were. They were not reformed, but all created NEW and SEPARATE. In addition many Protestants refer to their churches as "reformed", yet the Lutherans, Anabaptists, Trinitarians and others also claim to use the term "reformed". At the same time many Protestant denominations oppose that the other uses the term because they all are in opposition on their beliefs. How could all of these flavors of names, all in disagreement, be the true Church of Christ? Our Lord perfectly formed and sanctified His Church with His life. The true Church, "the pillar and ground of truth", never needed reforming and to say that the Church Our Lord left us was in need of reforming is to say that Our Lord didn't establish His Church correctly or that the Holy Ghost failed to protect it. Changing or reforming the Church which Our Lord established is not called reform, it is called heresy.
Considering the examples Jesus has set for us, consider the lives of the Saints who have imitated these virtues throughout their entire lives and were able to perform miracles as Our Lord did. Moreover, the Catholic Church as a whole has always put into practice these virtues in every season for the love of God. Consider the glory of so many Saints and other devout religious who gave up all and risked their lives to travel to foreign countries and spread the faith, without other expectation than of labors, miseries, and martyrdom, and without other aim than the honor of God and the salvation of souls. Many of these Saints have died for Christ as did St. Peter, St. Paul, St. Polycarp, St. Agnes and St. Cecilia; they have won whole nations to Christ like St. Patrick, St. Boniface, St. Ansgar, St. Methodius, and St. Francis Xavier; they have founded religious orders of men and women that won countless souls to the perfect following of heroic virtues such as St. Benedict, St. Bernard, St. Francis, St. Dominic, St. Madeline Barat; they have given up all in life to care for the sick, the poor and the imprisoned such as St. Camillus, St. Vincent de Paul, and St. John of Matha; and they have defended the faith in every part of the world as did St. Athanasius, St. Augustine, St. Jerome, St. Ambrose, St. Thomas Aquinas, and St. Canisius. These are just a few examples.
. I think quoting scripture is the most effective way to get across to someone. From experience, Ive tried to explain in my own words to debate but I find that what works best is using scripture as a sword (described in the bible) while using my own words too. Since the bible is truth and it has power, it's words are piercing to the heart of an individual and very effective
The reason James had to explain that we need works with our faith to believers is that faith does not automatically produce good works. Being a believer does not mean you are on autopilot. Otherwise there would be little reason for a large part of the new testament telling believers how they still need to live, do, believe, think... James said that faith "being alone" will not save. "Even so faith, if it has not works, is dead, being alone." So it's possible a believer has faith, but still not living as God would have him/her live.
"Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaken of his evil deeds." 1st John 10-12
@@laurenalmeyda6916 More like progress, development or maybe growth? How lame if we just stayed the same…interesting comment. There must needs be order in all things, line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little and there a little.
+be the change you wanna see in the world To you, because you have been lied to, it's something other than One God three personages. Over 2 dozen verses in the Bible teach One God.
I had an interesting talk with an LDS a few weeks ago, that did admit he had to work for salvation, to be perfect in this life. I have talked to LDS that thought their church taught you could "perfect" yourself after this life. Here is what I found, and the gentleman was refreshingly honest. “Have ye walked, keeping yourselves blameless before God? Could ye say, if ye were called to die at this time, within yourselves, that ye have been sufficiently humble? … Behold, are ye stripped of pride? I say unto you, if ye are not, ye are not prepared to meet God. Behold ye must prepare quickly; for the kingdom of heaven is soon at hand, and such an one hath not eternal life.” Alma 5:27-28, Book of Mormon. In his book, The Miracle of Forgiveness, former LDS (Latter-day Saint) Apostle and Prophet Spencer W. Kimball defined the “gospel” of Mormonism as a “code of laws and commandments” by which humans “might attain perfection and, eventually, godhood.” According to Kimball, “this set of laws and ordinances…is the only plan which will exalt mankind.” One authoritative LDS Church manual, Gospel Principles, describes the LDS gospel plan this way: “Elder Boyd K. Packer of the Council of the Twelve gave the following illustration to show how Christ’s atonement makes it possible to be saved from sin IF WE DO OUR PART. ‘Let me tell you a story.…There once was a man who.…incurred a great debt.…the day came, and the contract fell due. The debt had not been fully paid. His creditor appeared and demanded payment in full.… ‘If you do not forgive the debt there will be no mercy,’ the debtor pleaded. ‘If I do, there will be no justice,’ was the reply.…The debtor had a friend. He came to help.…He stepped between them, faced the creditor, and made this offer. ‘I will pay the debt if you will free the debtor from his contract so that he may keep his possessions and not go to prison.’…And so the creditor agreed. The mediator turned then to the debtor. ‘If I pay your debt, will you accept me as your creditor?’ ‘Oh yes, yes,’ cried the debtor. ‘You saved me from prison and show mercy to me.’ ‘Then,’ said the benefactor, ‘you will pay the debt to me and I will set the terms. It will not be easy, but it will be possible. I will provide a way. You need not go to prison.’ …Because there was a mediator, justice had claimed its full share, and mercy was satisfied.”-Gospel Principles, 1978, 1992ed, pp. 75, 77 (DP 2-3) As can be seen by the preceding illustration, the Jesus of Mormonism serves as a mediating “creditor” who essentially refinances our sin “debt” and sets the “terms” and conditions by which we can “pay” him back through strict adherence to LDS gospel “laws.” Consequently, the Book of Mormon states: “…for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do.” “This grace is an enabling power that allows men and women to lay hold on eternal life and exaltation AFTER THEY HAVE EXPENDED THEIR OWN BEST EFFORTS To stress the importance of expending one’s own best efforts to make oneself worthy of eternal life, Kimball went on to state: “This progress toward eternal life is a matter of achieving perfection. Living all the commandments guarantees total forgiveness of sins and assures one of exaltation through that perfection which comes by complying with the formula the Lord gave us. In his Sermon on the Mount he made the command to all men: ‘Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.’ (Matt. 5:48) Being perfect means to triumph over sin. This is a mandate from the Lord. He is just and wise and kind. He would never require anything from his children which was not for their benefit and which was not attainable. Perfection therefore is an achievable goal.”The Miracle of Forgiveness, pp. 208-209 (DP 7) “…for I know that the Lord giveth no commandments unto the children of men, save he shall prepare a way for them that they may accomplish the thing which he commandeth them.”-1 Nephi 3:7, Book of Mormon (DP 8) Lest one obtains the faulty impression that the “perfection” required for ultimate eternal life is a process that can be worked out through the eons of eternity, Kimball responds: “One of the most serious human defects in all ages is procrastination, an unwillingness to accept personal responsibilities now. Men came to earth to obtain their schooling, their training and development, and to perfect themselves.…Because men are prone to postpone action and ignore directions, the Lord has repeatedly given strict injunctions and issued solemn warnings.…And the burden of the prophetic warning has been that the time to act is now, in this mortal life. One cannot with impunity delay his compliance with God’s commandments.” The Miracle of Forgiveness,pp. 7, 9-10 (DP 1, 9-10) Some may feel that it is unreasonable to believe that God would require total perfection in this mortal life. After all, one might think: “‘The Lord knows my heart is right and that I have good intentions.…’ But will one receive eternal life on the basis of his good intentions?” Kimball asks. He goes on to say: “Samuel Johnson remarked that ‘hell is paved with good intentions.’ The Lord will not translate one’s good hopes and desires and intentions into works. Each of us must do that for himself.…Men and women who live in mortality and who have heard the gospel here have had their day, their seventy years to put their lives in harmony, to perform the ordinances, to repent and to perfect their lives.” To emphasize the importance of becoming perfect prior to leaving this earth, the Book of Mormon also testifies: “For behold, this life is the time for men to prepare to meet God; yea, behold the day of this life is the day for men to perform their labors.”-Alma 34:32, Book of Mormon (DP 24) “Have ye walked, keeping yourselves blameless before God? Could ye say, if ye were called to die at this time, within yourselves, that ye have been sufficiently humble? …Behold, are ye stripped of pride? I say unto you, if ye are not ye are not prepared to meet God. Behold ye must prepare quickly; for the kingdom of heaven is soon at hand, and such an one hath not eternal life. Behold, I say, is there one among you who is not stripped of envy? I say unto you that such an one is not prepared; I would that he should prepare quickly, for the hour is close at hand, and he knoweth not when the time shall come; for such an one is not found guiltless. And again I say unto you, is there one among you that doth make a mock of his brother, or that heapeth upon him persecutions? Wo unto such an one, for he is not prepared, and the time is at hand that he must repent or he cannot be saved!” Alma 5:27-31, Book of Mormon (DP 12)
I’m mormon, and how I view them, is respect, I judge people by personality and not by religion. However, I don’t trust them like I used to, because they always shame my religion and made me suicidal and depressed as ONLY a flippin child! I don’t trust some of them, but I respect them and I believe that they are still good people.
You are completely correct Henry Jordan bcoz there is no such denomination called Mormonism...it's a word or a name created by Christian denominations to distract Christians of the 1800s from calling members of God's newly restored Church. (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints) It's a cool name today bcoz it shows that the Christian denominations has been failing miserably from stopping the 'rock cut out from the mountain' without human hands lol
Christ, the Good Shepherd, called Peter to be the chief shepherd of his Church (John 21:15-17). He gave Peter the task of strengthening the other apostles in their faith, ensuring that they taught only what was true (Luke 22:31-32). Peter led the Church in proclaiming the gospel and making decisions (Acts 2:1- 41, 15:7-12). Early Christian writings tell us that Peter’s successors, the bishops of Rome (who from the earliest times have been called by the affectionate title of "pope," which means "papa"), continued to exercise Peter’s ministry in the Church. The pope is the successor to Peter as bishop of Rome. The world’s other bishops are successors to the apostles in general.
Every single Mormon Missionary I have spoken to in the 11 years, never spoke like this, they agrue, and put a question to everything when you speak to them. When I spoke about the works, they argue with me and said then you don't have to work then if it doesn't save you, and I said did you know sloth is a sin, we are to not be lazy. Our mission here on earth is to follow God, Live the Gospel, TO DO GOD'S WILL EVERY DAY!, PRETTY MUCH.
The sacraments were foreshadowed in the Old Testament by things that did not actually convey grace but merely symbolized it (circumcision, for example, prefigured baptism, and the Passover meal prefigured the Eucharist. When Christ came, he did not do away with symbols of God’s grace. He supernaturalized them, energizing them with grace. He made them more than symbols. God constantly uses material things to show his love and power. After all, matter is not evil. When he created the physical universe, everything God created was "very good" (Gen. 1:31). He takes such delight in matter that he even dignified it through his own Incarnation (John 1:14). During his earthly ministry Jesus healed, fed, and strengthened people through humble elements such as mud, water, bread, oil, and wine. He could have performed his miracles directly, but he preferred to use material things to bestow his grace.
HOW GOD SPEAKS TO US As from the first, God speaks to his Church through the Bible and through sacred Tradition. To make sure we understand him, he guides the Church’s teaching authority-the magisterium-so it always interprets the Bible and Tradition accurately. This is the gift of infallibility. Like the three legs on a stool, the Bible, Tradition, and the magisterium are all necessary for the stability of the Church and to guarantee sound doctrine.
I would hope that Dave (and the many angry commentators below) would be delighted at this couple's commitment to the Saviour. This is just a wonderful conversation and proves unequivocally that no one need attack or provoke fellow followers of Christ. I find these comment sections to be very sad! We all believe in Christ and we should be sharing that love just as we see Dave and this couple doing. Despite our differences the Lord can bridge the gap. As a Mormon myself I would like to add my own testimony that Jesus is the Christ, I believe in Him, do my best to follow Him and try my very best each and every day to stay true to Him and His message. I love Him with all my heart. The Lord said to love God and to love our neighbours and on this hang all the laws and the prophets. Those two things come before anything else and I think it's wonderful to see this interview where two passionate Christian parties can share their love of Christ with one another. We need to see more of this!
+Nate River ??... that doesn't even make sense. You know that, right? As Christians, we are to share the gospel of Jesus Christ with others, so it makes sense he would be happy that this message is being heard by many, and he gives the glory to God.
Dave I don't know if you've ever noticed a subtle spirit of slumber on all Mormons. They just seem to have this sleepiness slapped on there perceptions.
Mormons believe Jesus did not do it all on the Cross, and they have to do works every day to save themselfs. Which we know nothing we do can save us. Only believing and surrending to Jesus, to God. Asking fo rHis mercy, repenting, and confessing, and trying to not sin again. Living the Gospel every day and spreading the gospel at every chance you can.
The true Church of Christ ought to always practice the perfection of Christian life: Looking at the New Testament, it is filled with teachings from Jesus on how to live the perfect Christian life. Here are many examples of recommended virtues direct from Scripture. In addition to these virtues, Jesus was entirely poor and lived on alms as an example to us, and taught His Apostles to carry nothing when they went to preach. He also taught us to be humble, meek and obedient even to those of which we have no obligation. He left us examples of poverty, chastity, and self-denial. Of what purpose were all these examples if they were not to be put into practice? bullet Considering the examples Jesus has set for us, consider the lives of the Saints who have imitated these virtues throughout their entire lives and were able to perform miracles as Our Lord did. Moreover, the Catholic Church as a whole has always put into practice these virtues in every season for the love of God.
+Sekhubara Actually I have to agree with you.. That being said, you can't apply the words, "Biblical truth" to Mormonism.. that one doesn't fit.. But great point! We all need to study the Bible, not take man's word for what it say's.. We, none of us, will be able to stand before Him on the day and say,, "oh, but he told me that was true".. We are fooling ourselves, if we think we can hand over to others, our eternal responsibility. Not a one of us. LoveInJesus
OneDayCloserToHim The problem I have with the phrase "Biblical Truth" is that there are several thousands of Churches all claiming to follow "Biblical Truth". Even the Mormons claim this. The concept of Three Heavens and Baptism For The Dead (uniquely Mormon doctrine) comes from the Bible. The way I see it, either everybody follows Biblical Truth, nobody does, or only one does.
+Sekhubara That, forgive me is a specious at best argument. To take a single verse out of context, to go beyond what is clearly taught is error and leads to falsehood, whoever does it.. And as perhaps, you don't realize Mormonism and Biblical Christianity are totally at odds in what is taught on many doctrines.. Your conclusion was as simplistic as your lack of understanding of what is taught and violates the law of NonContradiction. Basically, A cannot be both A and B when the 2 premises are in disagreement with another.. Simple example but true.. Sorry.. To go further... Jesus was very specific about many things.. Dogmatic would have to be the only way to interpret much of what He said.. I believe, as many many do, that God's truth is not "yes and no", and all of us are responsible to seek God and as Jesus warned the rich man who would send Lazarus to warn his family,, he was told, paraphrasing, "they have the scriptures, if one rose from the dead, they wouldn't believe him". No one is going to stand before Him on the day and be able to say,,"oh I believed that because he told me".. You are responsible eternally for what you believe.. Right or wrong, true or false.. His Word isn't obtuse, He has made salvation plain for all of us.. It is we that twist it, to our own tragic end. But God it say's is not willing that any should perish.. He gave us the gospel, it is not "clouded" obtuse, hidden.. It is simple... God Himself came in the flesh and took the judgment for sin upon Himself, paid the penalty for my sin, I so richly deserve, because of His love for us, and my faith in His blood shed for me, the moment I believe, He seals me with the Holy Spirit of promise, moves me into the Kingdom of light, out of the kindgom of darkness.. The preaching of the cross is foolishness to them who are perishing, but to those who believe, it is the power of God, unto salvation. LoveInJesus
OneDayCloserToHim Most members of varios churches I have come across will do just that, take a verse and say this verse is true and ignore whatever else Scripture says against it. The way I see it, NOBODY follows Biblical Christianity but everyone thinks they do. For example: is Baptism necessary for salvation or an eternal sin? I've heard both arguments use the Bible to prove their point. The Bible does seem to both necessitate and condemn Baptism. So to use your example of if A and B are different then nothing can be both A & B. Surely one is right, so how does one know? If I truly want to follow God and the Scripture, would he damn me to Hell for not picking the right choice in Baptism (or any other commandment for that matter)? He gave this book, he said follow my commandments, but then wrote in contradictory commandments. Why would he send people to Hell for trying their best to follow him? You said that the preaching of the Cross is foolish to those who are perishing (I assume you mean spiritually). Does that not go against Christ's commandment to preach to all people, wherever they may be found? Does that just smack in the face of common snese? So are you right or Jesus right? I do agree that people twist scripture for their own ends. How do I know that you're the one with the right answers, and your advice won't condemn me?
How many times have we all heard ignorant people claim that the “whore of Babylon” mentioned in the book of Revelation is the Vatican / Holy Catholic Church? Way too many times. So who or what is the whore of Babylon anyway? In order to find out, Catholics should always refer to previous texts in the Bible, and never take a verse out of context. The Whore of Babylon is described in Revelation 17:1-18 as follows: "Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me, "Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who is seated upon many waters, with whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and with the wine of whose fornication the dwellers on earth have become drunk." And he carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness, and I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of blasphemous names, and it had seven heads and ten horns. The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and bedecked with gold and jewels and pearls, holding in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the impurities of her fornication; and on her forehead was written a name of mystery: "Babylon the great, mother of harlots and of earth's abominations." And I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. When I saw her I marveled greatly. But the angel said to me, "Why marvel? I will tell you the mystery of the woman, and of the beast with seven heads and ten horns that carries her. The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is to ascend from the bottomless pit and go to perdition; and the dwellers on earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, will marvel to behold the beast, because it was and is not and is to come. This calls for a mind with wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman is seated; they are also seven kings, five of whom have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come, and when he comes he must remain only a little while. As for the beast that was and is not, it is an eighth but it belongs to the seven, and it goes to perdition. And the ten horns that you saw are ten kings who have not yet received royal power, but they are to receive authority as kings for one hour, together with the beast. These are of one mind and give over their power and authority to the beast; they will make war on the Lamb, and the Lamb will conquer them, for he is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those with him are called and chosen and faithful." And he said to me, "The waters that you saw, where the harlot is seated, are peoples and multitudes and nations and tongues.
i am a volunteer youth minister is a Baptist Church. i very much enjoyed this video. to me denominations are at best a style of worship and at their worst they represent division in the body of Christ. thanks to a show called AGT and a singer named Evie Clair , I am learning more about LDS people. I see Jesus in that young lady and what i have learned about LDS is that they do believe in salvation through Jesus. They are Christian same as anyone else. the difference lies mostly in church and pre earth history. I'm personally not convinced anybody has that part spot on correct anyway. As Christians we are all part of the same body of Christ. let's act like it. shall we!
Chad Frisk where are you coming from? They preach another gospel that is not a gospel. Ask them if they are Christian without the Book of Mormon. They would say no. Therefore they have added to the gospel. Read what Paul says about that. 🙏✝️
HOW GOD DISTRIBUTES HIS GIFTS Jesus promised he would not leave us orphans (John 14:18) but would send the Holy Spirit to guide and protect us (John 15:26). He gave the sacraments to heal, feed, and strengthen us. The seven sacraments -baptism, the Eucharist, penance (also called reconciliation or confession), confirmation, holy orders, matrimony, and the anointing of the sick-are not just symbols. They are signs that actually convey God’s grace and love.
Mormons especially should read the book: The God Makers by Ed Decker. It totally reveals everything about the Mormon Church that will shock them. As for others, when they come to convert you, you are armed with the truth.
Mormons believe that some guy named Joseph Smith comes to some small town, to completely change Christianity and what Jesus taught, what God taught, they misinterpret the bible, Joseph changed the bible too. He brought a False Gospel, which the Bible warns us about, example is Galatians. it says warns us about False Prophets and False Gospel. Our Works do Not Save us. Jesus saves us. But we cannot be lazy, sloth is a sin. we will not be gods/goddesses, or have our own planets, we believe in One God, in three Divine Persons God the Father, God the Son, and God The Holy Spirit. God is the Creator, He was never man before He became God, that is what Mormons believe, they believe they can be gods cause they believe God was a man, they believe is not the creator of the Universe. Not all men are called to the priesthood either, we have different vocations given to us by God Himself. He has a Plan for all of us.
Mormons didnt change the bible as they use the King James Version which is used throughout the world. Mormons beleive that Jesus saves us through his atonement. And good works are a manifestation of ones loves for Jesus Christ and what he did for us upon the cross.. Jesus invites us to become like him. If ye love me keep my commandments. It is only natural for children to want to be like their parent. Saying this does not deminsh his power or his authority or his atonement. If you have children Joanne, I am sure you would want them to be like you and probably even a better version of yourself. Every child or at least children with Good parents and every creature wants to be just like their parent. Mormons believe That God is the creator of this universe. Maybe instead of spreading information that is not true you should attend a service. A loving parent wants his children to be just like himself. He didn't create us to rule and reign over us for his own satisfaction to control us. He loves us we are his children.
Theres no way Jesus apeared to Joseph Smith Matthew 24:26 King James Version 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
I thought they were each part of the godhead and when they referred to themselves as one they meant one like a father and son are one or "with the same ultimate goal and purpose"
Dank_Memes please don't think badly of all Mormon people just because you have had bad experience with one(or possibly several), you seem like an intelligent person with clear loyalty and faith in your religion, just remember that everyone has different beliefs and we will get to heaven no matter our religion as long as we are good people at heart.
Dave, I must say, (and I am a Latter-day Saint), I like your demeanor. Usually, we LDS see Evangelicals who think they are "contending for the faith" but instead act like disrespectful, hostile jerks who clearly do not have the love of God in them and whose actions drip with hypocrisy. Your are a shining credit to you faith, and I'd love to shake your hand someday. God bless you,
And this is what gives me hope for Mormons. Their core beliefs in Jesus Christ is mostly the same. They believe in him and they love him and they have hope in him, and many of them love oneanother as well. They may be decieved on some of their beliefs, but they are doing the best they can. I think many of them have charity and are pure in heart, so I think God's grace, and mercy can cover them. God will be the righteous judge. My loving parents are Mormon. They are some of the kindest people I know. I have hope for them through the precious blood of Christ.
Mormonism is nothing like Biblical Christianity. Mormons use the same words that Christians use, but the meanings behind the words is different. The Mormon Jesus is a false Jesus. Mormons do not believe in the triune God of the Bible. If you change who God is then you are believing a false gospel. Jesus has always been there--He is not a created being. He did not just show up in Matthew, but has been there from the beginning. Anytime you read in the Old Testament The angel of the Lord, who does not appear after the birth of Christ, is often identified as the preincarnate Christ (John MacArthur Study Bible ESV page 38). Go get a study Bible and read it.
Same words but different meanings... like what? Can you give an example? There is no triune God of the bible. There is a God that the bible comes from. Our God is not of anything as everything is from Him. We don't believe in a created Jesus. The trinity does teach this though as there was no jesus pre his birth to Mary. We know that we are eternal beings. Yes the angle of the Lord shows up after His birth. Matthew 28:2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
Some examples: Terminology Differences Between LDS and the Bible Godhead LDS: Father and Son are resurrected men with physical bodies. Holy Ghost is a separate man with a spiritual body. Three totally separate Gods. God is married. Other Gods for other worlds (D&C 130:22; Teachings, pp.345-346, pp.370-373; Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. 1, p. 10-12) Bible: God is not a man (Num. 23:19) He has always been God. (Psa. 90:2; Mal.3:6; Hab. 1:2; Rom. 1:22-25) Only one God. (Isa. 43:10-11; 44:6; 45:21-22) Father is Spirit. (John 4:24; 1 Tim. 1:17) Jesus Christ LDS: Literally our elder brother, born to Heavenly parents in the premortal life. Jesus, Lucifer and humans are all the same species and are brothers and sisters. (Gospel Principles, pp. 11, 17, 18) Bible: Fully God, not a subordinate deity. Eternal. (Isa. 9:6; John 8:58; 1Tim. 3:16; Heb. 13:8; John 1:1-4, 14; Colossians 1:16-17) The Fall LDS: Fall was a blessing. It brought mortality, ability to have children and physical death. Adam was given conflicting commandments and was supposed to fall. (Doct. of Sal. Vol. 1, pp 111-116; Gospel Princ., pp. 31-33; 2 Nephi 2:25; Mormon Doctrine. pp. 268-269) Bible: God intended obedience. Gen. 1:28. God tempts no one. (James 1:13-14) Man is sinful. (Romans 5:12; 8:5-8; 1 Cor. 2:14) Sin LDS: Specific acts, not man's basic nature. Must know act is wrong to be a sin. (Mormon Doctrine, pp. 550, 735-736) Bible: We are in spiritual rebellion until conversion. (Eph. 2:3; Romans 5:6) We do not just commit sins; we are basically sinful (Matthew 1:21; Jeremiah 17:9; Luke 5:32 Salvation by Grace LDS: Believe Christ's death brought release from grave and universal resurrection. Salvation by grace is universal resurrection. Beyond this, man must earn his place in heaven. Saved by grace after all we can do. (Book of Mormon, 2 Nephi 25:23; Mormon Doctrine pp. 669-671) Bible: Salvation is not limited to universal resurrection but gift of God to those who believe. (Rom 1:16; Heb. 9:28; Eph. 2:8-9) The Gospel LDS: Doctrines and commandments of the LDS Church. True gospel restored by Joseph Smith (Mormon Doctrine, pp.331; 334; Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. 1, pp. 156-159) Bible: Good news of Christ's death and resurrection as atonement for our sins. (1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Galatians 1:6-8) Sons of God LDS: We were all born in heaven, prior to earth, as literal spirit children of God and his wife. (Mormon Doctrine, pp.589-590) Bible: Spiritually adopted at conversion (John 1:12; Gal. 3:26) I have more examples, but this is getting too long. These are from Terminology Differences Between LDS teachings and evangelical teachings. Please see more definition differences at Sandra Tanner Utah Lighthouse Ministry (www.utlm.org). LDS and evangelicals have different views based on different sources.
nice cut and paste... but it isn't being honest. Are you saying that Jesus isn't God or wasn't a man? We believe that God has always been God and he is the only one. the author of this is confused or conflating the issues here.
I didn't cut and paste. When I was a Mormon I was taught the LDS part of that "cut and paste" document. The author is telling the truth about Mormonism and what LDS believe. I would suggest you get a Bible (not the JST) and read it like a child cover to cover. That's all. Praying for you.
You didn't cut and paste??? www.utlm.org/onlineresources/terminologymain.htm Shocking that this has the same exact list. Are you a liar or is this a huge coincidence that you just so happened to type the exact same list, punctuation and all? We can't have a discussion if you aren't going to be honest. Well we can but it will not go anywhere. I have a bible, if you were LDS you would know we don't use the JST. Nice jab. Yet there is still nothing in the JST that would offend you. Really odd jab. I hope you overcome this childish ability to lie about not copy and pasting things we all know you did.
Dave Bartosiewicz What are you trying to accomplish by putting the LDS church in bad light? If we're all true Christiansx we're all set for salvation, right?
These people are so sincere and truthful in their love for Jesus! I happen to disagree with stuff that Mormonism espouses like Heavenly Mother, God having body of flesh (apart from the incarnation), that God came from another planet, JSmith is a true prophet... but I recognise that these people are so close to Jesus that their faith and love for Him inspire me
+kotarak Which Jesus? So does it matter that they do not believe Jesus is God? He is "a god", one of many in fact. That, depending on the LDS you speak to,, that He was born of heavenly parents? That He was not God eternally? And that He, as the Father and the Holy Spirit are not just "one in purpose", but not 1 God? Friend.. I am afraid John tells us, differently. To not "believe" what the Father has stated of the Son, is to make Him a liar and that person.... well there are some very harsh words for that... and being "close to Jesus", would not be one of them.. Sorry. that alone speaks volumes. There are other essentials to salvation Mormonism speaks directly against... No friend... they are not close to the Jesus of the Bible... Just listen to LDS that have escaped Mormonism and you will hear it also... I have had 3 friends that were LDS, and nice guys.. I liked them... still do... Ate many meals, played golf with one of them.. really enjoyed them as people... they are not Christians.. and with all my heart that hurts to say. You don't believe me? Ask Dave, he was one for over 25 years.. His testimony is not alone at all. LoveInJesus
Mormons are very much Christians. Christ is their central figure in our church. You are correct we believe in a loving. Forgiving. All knowing christ. You belive in a hateful. Unforgiving christ who schizophrenic Jesus who prays to himself. Your Jesus is very far from christian and biblical +onedaycloser
stan price You've made several statements and errors, and extrapolated your conclusions from that I see. When your basis is in error, naturally your conclusions are also.. So which do you want to address. 1. You do not believe in the record the Father has given of the Son. He is God, not "a god", but God, as there is only one God. 2. You denigrate His nature and dismiss, He is not willing that any should perish.. but you.. we "hate the light" and don't come to it that He may heal and forgive you. 3. The strawman statement about Jesus praying to "Himself"? This is really a complete breakdown of what you think Christians believe about who God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit is. Your choice. LoveInJesus
The Pope and Bishops (CCC 880-883) Jesus gave Peter special authority among the apostles (John 21:15-17) and signified this by changing his name from Simon to Peter, which means "rock" (John 1:42). He said Peter was to be the rock on which he would build his Church (Matt. 16:18). In Aramaic, the language Jesus spoke, Simon’s new name was Kepha (which means a massive rock). Later this name was translated into Greek as Petros (John 1:42) and into English as Peter. Christ gave Peter alone the "keys of the kingdom" (Matt. 16:19) and promised that Peter’s decisions would be binding in heaven. He also gave similar power to the other apostles (Matt. 18:18), but only Peter was given the keys, symbols of his authority to rule the Church on earth in Jesus’ absence.
The Magisterium (CCC 85-87, 888-892) Together the pope and the bishops form the teaching authority of the Church, which is called the magisterium (from the Latin for "teacher"). The magisterium, guided and protected from error by the Holy Spirit, gives us certainty in matters of doctrine. The Church is the custodian of the Bible and faithfully and accurately proclaims its message, a task which God has empowered it to do. Keep in mind that the Church came before the New Testament, not the New Testament before the Church. Divinely-inspired members of the Church wrote the books of the New Testament, just as divinely-inspired writers had written the Old Testament, and the Church is guided by the Holy Spirit to guard and interpret the entire Bible, both Old and New Testaments.
A wonderful thing so encouraging, I see so many testimonies like this, people coming out of "religious" self righteousness, to the real Jesus.. God is saving people all the time.. sorry about others... sincerely: certainlyitis 1 day ago *_Diana T Beautiful, Beautiful testimony and I will sincerely and heart-felt give my "amen". I also was born and raised LDS, temple marriage, always active, etc, but just like you described, I felt dead inside. I didn't even feel like God loved me, truly, I'm not exaggerating that at all. It wasn't until I started listening to Christian sermons by various pastors that my eyes began to open and see a different God, a different Jesus. And even then I didn't fully put together that the church "was not true". I just figured I was finally understanding what everyone else at church, apparently and seemingly, understood but I just hadn't for whatever reason. Then life gave us a particular challenge that let me see that the Jesus I was just barely beginning to understand, the Jesus of Nazareth, was not, in fact, the one being taught at church. This led me to opening up my mind to the possibility of the whole church being false. And once that idea pops into your head it's like the fog that you didn't even know you were living in, disappears and the sun shines brightly, and you see everything just so much more clearly. It's wonderful and delightful and beautiful to the taste, for real. Jesus' burden is in fact light, and His yoke really is easy. I'm humbled at the simplicity. Thanks again for sharing your testimony. I loved and appreciated reading it. :) ♡_* LoveInJesus
The Eucharist (CCC 1322-1419) Once we become members of Christ’s family, he does not let us go hungry, but feeds us with his own body and blood through the Eucharist. In the Old Testament, as they prepared for their journey in the wilderness, God commanded his people to sacrifice a lamb and sprinkle its blood on their doorposts, so the Angel of Death would pass by their homes. Then they ate the lamb to seal their covenant with God. This lamb prefigured Jesus. He is the real "Lamb of God," who takes away the sins of the world (John 1:29). Through Jesus we enter into a New Covenant with God (Luke 22:20), who protects us from eternal death. God’s Old Testament people ate the Passover lamb. Now we must eat the Lamb that is the Eucharist. Jesus said, "Unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you have no life within you" (John 6:53).
THE STRUCTURE OF THE CHURCH Jesus chose the apostles to be the earthly leaders of the Church. He gave them his own authority to teach and to govern-not as dictators, but as loving pastors and fathers. That is why Catholics call their spiritual leaders "father." In doing so we follow Paul’s example: "I became your father in Jesus Christ through the gospel" (1 Cor. 4:15). The apostles, fulfilling Jesus’ will, ordained bishops, priests, and deacons and thus handed on their apostolic ministry to them-the fullest degree of ordination to the bishops, lesser degrees to the priests and deacons.
Has a mormon seen sometimes what Galatians 1:8 says? " *But even if we ourselves or an angel from heaven preaches to you a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let God's curse be on him.* " That verse is exactly what happened with mormons. An "angel" (Moroni) came from "heaven" after 1800 years with other gospel to complement the Bible (they say)!!!! How is they don't see that???? They're blind! Pray for them.
Also theres no.way Jesus apeared to.Joseph Smith Matthew 24:26 King James Version 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
Exodus 33:20 King James Version 20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. Another reason why Joseph Smith is a false prophet. It's a a lie his revelation.of Seeing Jesus and God.
Dave, I appreciate the fact that you feel differently about Christianity than the LDS do however, you were still very respectful when conversing of your different beliefs on christ. If only we could all respectfully and openly talk about our difference in religious beliefs, we would all understand and and learn so much more about our neighbor.
No one can say jack about the Mormon church until you have gone to the church, listened, and actually tried to know what we are about. Talk the Mormon missionaries and have them talk to you about anything you want to know about the church. I challenge anyone to do this earnestly and actually see what we're about.
One thing I didn't hear from any of the commentators in this video is the words, "Jesus IS God." I think that's the defining thing that distinguishes true Christianity from Mormonism.
+Dave Bartosewicz I love how in the interview you brought up how sad you were that people fight wars over which religion is true, and then immediately declare that you think you have the truth in believing in Jesus and the God of Abraham. Obviously I agree with you people shouldn't resort to violence in attempting to discover which religion is true, but do you realize that those who do, whether they be Jewish or Muslim or Buddhist or Christian or any other religion, are just as convinced as you? Believing things without evidence will always end badly, and you should stop it and stop trying to get others to do it too.
You've stated several logical fallacies for someone wanting to appear as one of wisdom. I hardly know where to begin, and in one post it would be to much to respond to your many fallacies, another logical fallacy in itself, so let's focus on just a few. Christians, and I would have to add many that set about to disclaim the claims and validity of Jesus, have become Christians when, even with the desire to disprove Him, set about with an honest heart to see if it was true. I could go on, but perhaps, just one case I would give you to research is Josh McDowell. You will find sufficient and detailed information, if you really were one to investigate truth for yourself. This would of course suppose, that was something you were open to, not thinking of course, "all wisdom will die with you". As for myself, it was rather a different journey to Him, so I rather than bore you with His love story for me, I will direct you to others. I must comment on your summation, as it is 3 fallacies in one short burst. Again, your many fallacies prohibit me from addressing all 3 in space, again, another logical fallacy in itself, but let's focus on, "and you should stop it and trying to ..." Who are you to say to another, they should not speak what they believe? As a Christian, I may not agree with the LDS or any of the groups you named, but I certainly support everyone's right to speak what they believe. Done courteously of course, as the Bible tells me to, "speak the truth in love", and that of course should be my attitude when speaking, whether it is sharing what I believe or defending what I believe. I as well as others have every right to do this! And hypocritically, what you don't see, is you are doing the very thing you decry in Dave. You are "allowed" the right to attack his beliefs, the way he shares those beliefs, and feel you are "ok" in doing this,, "but he should stop" LOL.. Try taking off the rose colored glasses my friend. I even support your right to say what you did. I love that we live in a country where people can speak their faith, and no one is "lopping off heads". I just love that, and believe this is a basic right for *_others_* as well as myself (;-} .. Sadly you cannot see this.. well perhaps since you portray one with deep thought, you may think a bit of what is said... Perhaps not. That is ok too, you have that right. Dave, keep doing what you feel Jesus wants you to do. Whether it is sharing with others, speaking to others about Him, and finding out what they believe. Keep a loving and courteous demeanor, as I see you have been doing. Whatever we do, whether it is working in a street ministry, working in a job, serving others or whatever, as Dr. King said, *_"He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it."_* So dear Diogenes, many disagree with your statement, which of course you didn't see, you are guilty of the thing you judge in others as somehow error.. Sorry.. You may want to depict another picture there. LoveInJesus
Your not pinning them down. You need to have them define these terms, residing with God, the priesthood, salvation by grace. If you do so, you will quickly see the vast, unbridgeable chiasm between Mormonism & Orthodox Christianity. Mormonism is anything but Christian, if you had to equate it with another religion, it would most resemble Hinduism with the vast plethora of gods. No Mormons are NOT Christian, by any stretch of the imagination. The current strategy of the Mormon church is to try to cuddle up to Christianity. This needs to be resisted, remind them of the discourse in the "first vision" (pick which version, optional), this is what they really think, and the card carrying temple recommend members know this, they review it every temple "session" they don't believe we're all on the same page. They are lying!!!!
Dave Bartosiewisz says there’s nothing that Christians have to do to obtain salvation other than have faith. But faith without works is dead. This is what the Bible says is needed for salvation; Matthew 3:7,8. Matthew 18:3-5. Matthew 18:8,9. Matthew 19:17. Matthew 25. Mark 16:16. Luke 6:46-49. John 3:5. John 15:1-17. Romans 2:1-11. Philippians 2:12. Hebrews 5:9, James 2:14-26. 1 John 1:7. 1 John 2:3-6. 1 John 3:7. 1 John 3:22-24. 1 John 5:2,3. Revelation 3:20. Revelation 14:12,13. Revelation 22:14.
This just screams Galatians 1:8 "But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed." and 2 Corinthians 11:4 "For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough."
ImHereToInformYou No, the Mormons.
ImHereToInformYou You believe in a different Jesus than us Christians do as well as believing in many gods meaning you're polytheistic.
ImHereToInformYou You're denying your doctrines, this conversation is not going anywhere have a good day!
ImHereToInformYou What are you even talking about?
ImHereToInformYou You must not know your doctrines, is salvation works based?
They never once mentioned Jesus Christ's Blood is what redeems us... I really believe this is the KEY difference.
his blood is the atonement and mormons believe that. Just because someone doesn't say it in the manner you would express yourself doesn't make them false.
@@kelleynrothaermel2311 yes! Jesus didn't sweat to death for your sins. He died for your sins .
@@all4jesus594you don't have to tell me that. I read the bible and I know that Jesus died on the cross for my sins and yours. They nailed him to the cross through his hands and feet. They pierced his side and he drank the bitter cup of gall. He wore a crown of thorns and sat in the sun all day long while asking Heavenly Father to forgive them for what they did not know. He took upon himself all our sins so that we can return to heavenly father .
I think it’s a cultural thing. We absolutely believe Christ had to die to set the atonement in motion. We just find obsessing on the brutality of his death distasteful.
To me, it sounds like Aztec, blood sacrifice stuff when you guys put all of the focus on that.
I’m just being real with you. I think you deserve candor.
@@perrywashington7061 I will never understand this arguement. It's not obsessing about brutality. It's about respecting what He endured on our behalf. It's so bizarre to me to minimize the brutality He endured, because it's uncomfortable to acknowledge in a thorough, meaningful way.
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
The cross... the brutal death...
The Mormons I talked with did not approach me this way; they were strongly trying to preach "the book of mormons" to me instead of the Bible.
We teach of Both, Now, its not "Book of Mormons its Book of Mormon". The Bible is not a Book, its a collection of books and letters. So if you want to be a critic get it right.
Scott M Sorry, book of bullshit
Joseph smith was a pedophile
ceelm Not true and their is no evidence of that.
Scott M that is very true, he had many wives much younger than him. He was fucking creep
Great job to the LDS couple here. glad he found a competent pair. I don't think the host made the point he had intended.
Thanks, Dave, for the video. I remember when the missionaries were coming over, one night I suggested we open with praise songs. The sisters were very uncomfortable with the idea, and the next night refused. It was an eye-opener for me, the first time it because clear we were not in fellowship. I remember in college, all kinds of Christians would come together at a Campus Crusade meeting, or Intervasity, and sing praise songs and worship the Lord. No one was trying to convert each other. You didn't see a Baptist trying to convert a Methodist, or a Lutheran trying to convert a Presbyterian. Everyone had Christ in common. You don't get the same vibe with Mormons.
+Berkey Family Friend, sadly you are dead in your sins and have no idea of what it is to worship Jesus. Now take a look at some videos where hundreds of young folks, love that, I am an old man now, and love to worship Him, sing God Almighty's praises! Jesus!! As the apostle said literally, "Lord of me and God of me".. love that!!
No, @bowrudder, they have no "vibe", because they have no spirit.. At least not the Holy Spirit.. He lifts up Jesus!
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You say "God called a prophet to restore all its fullness of the gospel to prepare the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and to preach correct doctrine."
No one would mind if it really was a restoration. And no one would mind if it were correct doctrine. But it's not a restoration, and it's not correct doctrine. I think that's the only reason people object.
Can I ask you a question? Do you think the Book of Mormon contains the "fulness of the gospel"?
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Regarding adding and taking away, remember that the Bible was originally separate letters and scrolls. The warning in Deuteronomy is for Deuteronomy. The warning for Revelations is for Revelations.
Can you explain to me why Joseph added things and took things away from Revelations? The curse at the end says that you are not supposed to, but he did. If you have an LDS Bible you can see it in the footnotes, and in the endnotes. Each change is marked "JST".
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Can you explain to me why Joseph added things and took things away from Revelations, when the curse in Rev 22:18-19 explicitly says that you are not supposed to?
_For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall _*_add_*_ unto these things, God shall _*_add_*_ unto him the plagues that are written in this book._
_And if any man shall _*_take away_*_ from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall _*_take away_*_ his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book._ (Rev 22:18-19)
Joseph did both. He added and took away.
If you have an LDS Bible you can see it in the footnotes at the bottom of the page, and in the endnotes. Each change is marked "JST".
Do you think you will share in the curse if, knowing this, you sustain him?
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I don't know what all this talk about translations is. You do know that the Bible wasn't written in English, right? It was written in Greek. Stop dealing with translations, and go to the source, read it in Greek.
There is no textual basis for Joseph's changes. In fact, just the opposite. Joseph made changes to Isaiah, and when the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered, it became clear that Joseph's addition was wrong. This is from manuscripts pre-dating the timeline of 1 Nephi 13.
So there is simply no evidence from the manuscripts to support Joseph's changes, and just the opposite, we find that where Joseph made changes, he was wrong.
Do you think you will share in the curses of Rev 22:18-19 for sustaining him?
O God please save these precious souls. ♥️
They make me feel unsettled!
Amen!
@@nicolelovesjesusgod7673 Right, and they should make you feel that way, as their doctrine is not that of the church. Joe Smith early on told his followers that he alone had the true doctrine, and all others were an abomination! These precious folks are deceived, so pray for them, but don't get involved with, nor study their doctrines, unless the Lord shows you to. Very deceptive stuff and remember who is author of these doctrine's! Even Michael the great angel did not mess with the devil, but merely said "the Lord (who is great in majesty, Glory, and power) rebuke thee".Jude 1:9.
In his first public miracle Jesus turned water into wine, at the request of his mother, Mary (John 2:1-11). He healed a blind man by rubbing mud on his eyes (John 9:1-7). He multiplied a few loaves and fish into a meal for thousands (John 6:5-13). He changed bread and wine into his own body and blood (Matt. 26:26- 28). Through the sacraments he continues to heal, feed, and strengthen us.
Jesus did not change his body and blood into bread and wine he produced these as symbols of his body and blood
I love the way this is structured and I appreciate the way in which the interview was conducted. I think that religious views including the LDS church can be better understood in this kind of setting, without skepticism. Thank you for the video.
The problem, which was inadvertently stated by the young lady, is that we share a common vernacular. The problem is that similar words have subtly different meaning.
More importantly, names means subtly different people. We (Christians) and they (the couple in the video representing LDS) all say "we are saved by Jesus", but our Jesus is to their Jesus what our Saint Nicholas is to someone else's Santa Clause.
Sure, they seem to be the same, but one of them has a very, shall we say "expanded" story around him such that one cannot realistically call them the same. The Jesus they talk about is in conflict with the Jesus of the Bible, such that their own scripture has to separate itself from the traditional view of Jesus.
So, while they look similar on the surface, the underlying beliefs are actually quite different. I fear the end results, on an individual basis, will be quite different, as well.
Could you maybe share a few differences, or atleast point out one difference that deminishes His role as the Savior. I can start you off:
1. Jesus is Gods son (in the bible)
2. Jesus is Lucifers brother (in Revelations it makes mention of the 2/3 hosts of heaven and those who followed Satan before the world was I actually learned that in Baptist Sunday school. If we all are Gods creations we are His children regardless of our standing with Him.
If you have anymore I would like to hear them.
Thomas Russ Let's take just your first error in your second statement. Jesus is not the brother of lucifer, He is eternally the Word of God become flesh, never birthed of heavenly parents. He is eternal, that is without beginning and without end. He is the creator of ALL things, that is inclusive of anything and is not created but the creator..The Bible clearly says Jesus is eternal God and has always been God, without beginning and without end.
John 1:1a "In the beginning was" (ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν)
This is such a wonderful scripture to show us the truth of the eternal God. Here the Holy Spirit eludes to the creation in Genesis, but He moves us in this scripture from its reference to a point of time, and focuses on the beginning of creation, to the time of absolute pre-existence before any creation, which is not mentioned until Joh_1:3.
This "time", this "beginning" has “a” beginning, which is also stated in John 1_3 ,John 17_5, 1John 1_1, Ephesians 1_4, Proverbs 8_23 and Psalms 90_2.
This is worth noting, belaboring the point, as God intended us to know, He is eternal, Jesus, the Word become flesh, is eternal, without beginning and without end. The Greek shows us the concept appears not so much in the word “ἀρχή” “beginning”, but in the use of "ἦν”, “was", which is meaning absolute existence (as in the word εἰμί, “I am” in John 8_58 instead of the word ἐγένετο, came intobeing, or began to be, used in John 1_3 and John 1_14, of the coming into being of all of creation as He, the Logos, the Word created all things and of the Word becoming flesh.
Three times in this sentence John uses this imperfect of eimi ,"ἦν, was", "to be" which conveys no idea of origin for God or for the Logos, simply continuous existence. Quite a different verb (egeneto, became)appears in Joh_1:14 for the beginning of the Incarnation of the Logos. See the distinction sharply drawn in Joh_8:58 “before Abraham came (genesthai) and the absolute existence, "I am” (eimi, timeless existence). Also there is a contrast between ἀρχή, in the beginning, and the expression ἀπ' ἀρχῆς, "from the beginning", which is common in John's writings (Joh_8:44; 1Jo_2:7, 1Jo_2:24; 1Jo_3:8) which in these instances takes the eyes of our hearts from a point in time, creation forward in time, and in John 1:1, upwards, past, beyond, before time itself.
“In Gen_1:1, the sacred historian starts from the beginning and comes downward, thus keeping us in the course of time. Here he starts from the same point, but goes upward, thus taking us into the eternity preceding time” (Milligan and Moulton).
So we see as ἀρχή must refer to the creation “The primal beginning of things”. And in this beginning of all of creation, “The beginning” of all created things, the Logos already was, He is eternal, beyond all time and space and He belonged to the order of eternity, no beginning and no end. God Almighty.
“The Logos was not merely existent, however,in the beginning, but was also the efficient principle, the beginning of the beginning. The ἀρχή (beginning), in itself and in its operation dark, chaotic, was, in its idea and its principle, comprised in one single luminous word,which was the Logos. And when it is said the Logos was in this beginning, His eternal existence is already expressed, and His eternal position in the Godhead already indicated thereby” (Lange).
If you miss this dear LDS you deny His deity, you deny who He is and relegate The Almighty to a mere created being not worthy of worship, a little "god" who is no God at all as there is only One God, and as the scriptures clearly state, Jesus, creator God Almighty, the Word become flesh, was, is and will always be God.
Psa 90:2 "Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God."
LoveInJesus
Dave Morrison Will a book the Holy Spirit inspires and moves those He chooses teach opposite things to what He says in the Bible? Would God plainly contradict Himself? Would a Father tell His child one thing in one book and something totally different in another? No, I don't believe everything in the Book of Mormon is wrong, I do believe it was not inspired by God.. I see nowhere in scriptures where God told anyone to stick his head in a hat with a peep stone in it and conjure up words to others that wrote it down Dave..
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Dave Morrison, I don't see your post when coming to respond so I will do it here. It is not the same as those given the Word of God in the Bible. It is a form of divination and spiritism. Besides this, the The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has published many pictures of Joseph Smith dictating the Book of Mormon. These depictions invariably show Joseph seated at a table, carefully examining the gold plates which are in front of him on the table. The impression given is that the dictation process involved Joseph’s direct visual contact with the plates.However, this scenario does not square with the testimony of those who were eyewitnesses to Joseph Smith . Only recently as the church can no longer deny the actual fact of the BoM's creation because of the evidence was to great to deny any longer, and the depiction for "popular" consumption is fading somewhat. Although in the last 2 weeks I was called an "anti-mormon" for telling someone how it was created.. No laboring over golden plates, this was a sham and deceitful.. This doesn't begin to touch on the differences in doctrine between the Bible and Mormon scriptures and again, God would not state a truth in the Bible and then contradict it in another source.. If even an angel tells you "another gospel" .. well you know the rest of that.LoveInJesus
OneDayCloserToHim I have found no contradictions in the doctrines of the word of the Lord. Men may explain things according to their own understanding, which might be contradictory to some. In my mind, this only deepens my appreciation for what God has accomplished through the fallacies of men. The testimonies of God only run together to compliment eachother
I commend you on your kindness and Christian charity toward the Mormon couple.
Right, as kindness and love goes a long way, but we are also to "reprove, rebuke, exhort" with this kindness and love, which translates as, "long suffering"!
"Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine." 2 Timothy 4:2.
I like the guy who did this interview. Very kind and not biased or judgemental. I admire and appreciate people like him and those who were interviewed who are just trying to follow the savior to the best of their knowledge.
No.. the bible commands us to judge with righteous judgment. The bible commands us to exhort rebuke and reproof. The bible commands us not to negotiate the true gospel. They believe in the wrong Jesus. Mormons believe they will become God one day. Mormons believe God was like us and became God. Mormonism is more like the 70 virgins in heaven Jihadist than Christianity.
@@yonas3838 very well said. I believe that too but Christians I know tell me love and tolerance.. WE need to keep our kids and loved ones away from them so they don't fall into that trap.
Dave, in the first 2 minutes and 45 seconds, you provided a wonderful and simple and accurate portrayal of salvation by faith alone. That was fantastic!
Love ya' brother,
LoveInJesus
Definitely not saved by faith alone. For example Lucifer has perfect faith in our Lord and he’s not saved.
@@buckleysangel7019 Hi, thank you for the response. Of course we would both agree that the Bible is the arbiter of opinions as to what is true. So… In response. You wrote:
Satan has “perfect” faith?
Besides the fact that the devil been judged already as Jesus stated, and there is no promise of salvation for any of the angels that fell with him. It does help to see, well that is not what is meant by saving faith in the Bible.
We are told of course also in James, that the “devils believe and tremble”. Is that saving faith being spoken of? Really? They don’t tremble at the thought of salvation, they have read and know scripture, and see they are headed for the “Lake of Fire”.. There is no assurance of salvation. This is merely “mental assent”. It is not what we see as a saving faith at all. It is belief, a mental assent, knowledge, they are headed for eternal loss. In this we see in Act_26:27; Jas_2:19, the word refers merely to an intellectual assent to certain facts. This is not saving faith, or a faith that saves if you will.
I think Jesus, of course being God and wanting us to know what real faith “in Him and His words is” would give us a simple example, any of us could see.. Let’s take a look at that to give context to what saving faith is, perhaps this little example, one of my 3 favorite stories in the Bible might illustrate the difference at a very basic level, between Mormonism and basic Christian salvation belief we see in the Bible.
So we see, one person, what some would call a nice guy, in fact exemplary in his conduct. According to the law, guiltless in his outward life, at least to what “he” considered, and now that is saying a lot,( *_One does wonder who he was measuring himself against?_* )
Anyway, I am sure he had his *_Temple recommends_* in order..
*_Then we have the other man, well such a sad case for all to see._*
Let's see if we can spot the fatal flaw here.
Our story unfolds in the Book of Luke, chapter 18 verses 10 through 14
*_“Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God,_* ...I... thank thee, that ...I... am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. ...I... fast twice in the week, ...I... give tithes of all that I possess, ...I... go door to door ringing doorbells, ...I... have my temple recommends ..I.. ...I.. ..I...”
*_“And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner." I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.”_*
Can you spot the first of his thinking flaws? God evidently had no such problem. *_"and prayed thus with himself, God"._* The god of the self righteous as Jesus said, is "self". You can call it whatever you want, but it is self in the end.
The Pharisee then went on to expound all his righteousness. Sounds a bit like *_"grace after all you can do, you owe me God because of my doing."_* doesn't it. Getting the picture friend? Sure you are.. God is speaking to you and what you consider as righteousness this moment.. Neither you or I can avoid conviction, we can justify ourselves at times though, but we can't avoid Him..
*_Then we have the one who was NONE of those good things._*
Today, what would he be? Drug user? Adulterer?Just a sinner and he knew this didn't he! "would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner".
Hey that's me! I recognize this guy! Wow, what a sinner, so far short of His perfection.
But what happened? Grace that caused an inner change from a heart of repentance.Well what does Jesus say?
*_"I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other"_*
Paul stated it this way: *_"Eph 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;"_*
Who's your God? Self? Sorry, that is what we are told. Dead in sins, self righteousness that did not receive forgiveness, *_Life_* .
Are you trying to come alive a little at a time?
It doesn't work that way friend. "all my righteousness is as filthy rags".
No matter how many good things your self righteousness can point to, a dead man cannot make himself alive to God.
*_He wasn't impressed with that friend._* Argue as you might, Jesus tells us who was forgiven, and who continued in his own righteousness. Your good deeds will never be enough. Your are unable to give life or coerce God into giving you life, by your deeds.. You are dead to Him, in your sins, and only He can give life.
1Jn 5:12 "He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life."
The Book of Mathew chapter 5 verse 20 tells us *_"For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.”_*
He tells us how we enter doesn't He, God is good, alone. Righteousness that has to *_“exceed” the law._*
He tells us plainly how to receive forgiveness, justification, *_"just as if I never sinned"._*
Hey just like the publican! That's me! “Lord be merciful, to me a sinner!” How about You? You are still dead in your sins, thinking that “doing” can make you alive.. How silly.
Some foolish lds as Paul depicted others that stated that salvation by grace was, "let's do evil that good may come", who's condemnation awaits them evidently..
That is not what being forgiven is saying. He writes His will in us in our hearts as we simply live in Him now.. "in Him".. I am saved, and He gives me good works to do and I love to do them, because it pleases Him! Not that they save me! I am His child!! I don't earn sonship.. I am given sonship, undeserved, unmerited love of God shed on the cross, who's blood paid for my sin, made me "alive in Him"..
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
My name, I am told, with all the Saints is written in the Lambs Book of Life... I am so sorry for you LDS.... those other books are the books that are opened in Revelations just show our guilt, every idle word, deed, thought... that the whole world stands guilty in those.. There is no "curve"!! How horrible a lie! You are dead in your sins, or alive in Christ.. period.. That is our state.
In “The Books”, You are guilty, all the good you do is filthy rags, in the other, “The Book of Life, they are the good works He plans for us to walk in, and are done from a heart that He has changed...
Eph 2:10 *_For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them._*
I am "created" a new man "in Christ Jesus" and His desire is "unto good works, which God *_hath before ordained that we should walk in them_*
I am first a child, a son, His, and He creates in me, "to will and to do of His good purpose"..
So saving faith is not mere mental assent. I was moved when I heard Jesus loves me and would come into my heart, save me, and He has changed me as I simply “believed” and keep believing and walk with Him as I know after over half a century of walking with Him now,
*_For it is God who is at work in you, to will and TO DO of His good pleasure._*
He gets the glory, not me. This is what saving faith does. Works follow faith, they don’t save me, the gospel of His dear son saves me… His blood shed for me on the cross.. but it did change me.
I hope this helps to understand what Biblical faith is.. in Jesus.. a faith that saves.
LoveInJesus
Sacred Tradition (CCC 75-83)
Sacred Tradition should not be confused with mere traditions of men, which are more commonly called customs or disciplines. Jesus sometimes condemned customs or disciplines, but only if they were contrary to God’s commands (Mark 7:8). He never condemned sacred Tradition, and he didn’t even condemn all human tradition.
Sacred Tradition and the Bible are not different or competing revelations. They are two ways that the Church hands on the gospel. Apostolic teachings such as the Trinity, infant baptism, the inerrancy of the Bible, purgatory, and Mary’s perpetual virginity have been most clearly taught through Tradition, although they are also implicitly present in (and not contrary to) the Bible. The Bible itself tells us to hold fast to Tradition, whether it comes to us in written or oral form (2 Thess. 2:15, 1 Cor. 11:2).
Sacred Tradition should not be confused with customs and disciplines, such as the rosary, priestly celibacy, and not eating meat on Fridays in Lent. These are good and helpful things, but they are not doctrines. Sacred Tradition preserves doctrines first taught by Jesus to the apostles and later passed down to us through the apostles’ successors, the bishops.
Bartosawiets is not confusing the Bible with the traditions of men, on the other hand, LDS need to do a serious study of their religion from objective resources from outside to discover what their beliefs actually are.
Dave! God bless you and your ministry. I moved recently down the road to a Mormon Church. I’ve been trying to witness and befriend the young missionaries there. Playing disc golf together. Bringing them food etc. any tips for me on this journey of trying to love and show the LDS people the true gospel? Any help is appreciated. I’ve been watching your videos a ton. God bless
Mr. Dave B., you found some good Christians on the street and gave us the opportunity to hear what they had to say about their faith in Jesus Christ. Thank You.
This couple is beyond friendly. Wow.
that is how the LDS faith draws you in. We all as Christians should be acting in this way with being extremely friendly and loving but making sure that people know the truth and not tiptoeing around feelings.
Be a jesus follower but only serves, and worship his/our Father in heaven. Don't you listen or read your bible, or do you wait until a pastor or leader feeds you another doctrine which is contradicting your own bible? Where in the bible is it written that you should worship jesus? Wake up and read. Get out of the money hungry churches and their lies!
We also see Matt use the word , “Godhead”, and we Christians could use the same word.. We could both use a word, but not agree of course on what it means.
So the big question for us Christians is, “how is this word used in the Bible”? What does it say? That really settles the meaning for us.. And you really need to understand the context of each use of the word.. so..
The one word, “Godhead” is used 3 times in New Testament in Act_17:29 , Rom_1:20 and Col_2:9.
The one word "Godhead" is the translation of two Greek words which have a real distinction between them, and the distinction or “difference” is on their different derivations of the word..
So let’s look at the first “occurrence” in Romans.
In Rom_1:20 we have the word theiotes. In this word, "Paul is declaring how much of God may be known from the revelation of Himself which He has made in nature, from those vestiges of Himself which men may everywhere trace in the world around them.
Yet it is not the personal God whom any man may learn to know by these aids: He can be known only by the revelation of Himself in His Son; but only His divine attributes, His majesty and glory. . . . . and it is not to be doubted that St. Paul uses this vaguer, more abstract, and less personal word, just because he would affirm that men may know God’s power and majesty, His "theia dunamis" (divine power) (2Pe_1:3), from His works; but would not imply that they may know Himself from these, or from anything short of the revelation of His eternal Word.
Motives not dissimilar induce him to use to theion rather than ho theos in addressing the Athenians on Mars’ Hill (Act_17:29)."
In Rom_1:20, Paul states that the invisible things of God, here, His eternal power and His theiotes, His “divinity”, namely, the fact that He IS a Being having divine attributes, are clearly seen by man through the created universe.
He is saying that we, you and I, “man” just considering on just the basis of the law of cause and effect, namely, that every effect demands an adequate cause, comes to the conclusion that the universe as an effect demands an adequate cause, and that adequate cause must be A Being having “divine” attributes.
Then Paul goes on to say, it is the “creator” that we in verse 21.
Maybe to the translators for the KJV, to them, *_"Godhead"_* is the best one-word translation of theiotes in Rom_1:20. But the term really has to be seen in *_context_* also, as also it’s “exegesis” proper exegesis of this passage. The same is true of Act_17:29.
When Paul speaks of all men as the offspring of God, he uses the word theos for "God," the word that implies full deity as Paul knows God. But when he speaks of the Greek’s conception of God “That the Godhead is like” (to theion einai homoion). This “to theion is strictly “the divine” nature like theiotēs (Rom_1:20), and Paul uses “theiotes” to the Greeks because their reference without the revelation of God in Jesus, well they only knew or could see or understand Him, or even see Him as a Being of divine attributes, His power and the wonder and beauty that we see in creaton.
A big difference is in Col_2:9 where the word “theotes” is used. In Col 2 9, we see
Col 2:9 *_For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily._*
This is not speaking of Jesus’ “divinity” or “attributes”, no no no. It is speaking of, “deity”. Jesus is *_“deity”_* told out, God come in the flesh, and all of God dwells in Him, as He is, the fullness of God, in the flesh.
I think this quote by the scholar Trench, I believe sums it up, "Paul is declaring that in the Son there dwells all the fulness of absolute Godhead; they were no mere rays of divine glory which gilded Him, lighting up His Person for a season and with splendor not His own; but He was, and is, absolute and perfect God; and the apostle uses theotes to express this essential and personal Godhead of the Son."
Here the word "divinity" will not do, only the word "deity."
So, we see how important to look in depth, in context and “exegesis” to see what is true. Not what folks, say it means, unknowingly.. Here in Colossians, the deity of the Lord Jesus, not using the word "divinity" when we are *_referring to the fact that He is Very God._*
Paul is not speaking of the “divinity of Christ”, His attributes here, only of His deity.
Of course, Jesus, Our Lord has divine attributes since, He is deity, but that is quite another matter from the LDS understanding of how the word, “Godhead” is used in the Bible and what it means.
It is NOT a loose "family" or 3 "gods" united in "purpose" in the text at all, *_but is specific and understood in the context of each use in the Bible._*
I hope this helps you LDS see what we Christians see, because this is what the Bible speaks of. And we believe it, not to make it "true". We believe it, because it is true, and we must if we want to align our faith with what God states in His word. And every Biblical scholar of any learning agrees with what I stated dear lds. Being a student, I make sure . I have gotten the understanding, not tried to put my own "twist" on what I diligently pursue, righty dividing the word of truth. Sorry lds, there is no Biblical scholar that agrees with mormonism.. not a one.
LoveInJesus.
Wow it’s so nice to see a video not demonizing is LDS Church members! Thank you for holding a respectful and simple conversation, many videos I’ve seen only try to tear us down. Very cool mission to connect religious in common beliefs... there’s way more in common between us all than people think haha. Thanks again:)
Unfortunately this is not witnessing to them. Now they go off NOT having been presented with the true Gospel of Christ, to continue their journey on the wide straight road leading to hell
As for first class miracles, first let us say that the miracles we discuss on this page are discussed repeatedly and consistently in the writings on lives of the Saints for the last 2000 years. These Saints have lived in all parts of the world and lived during every generation since the time of Christ, and yet they have all experienced the SAME miraculous phenomena time and time again. Are the miracles we discuss below difficult to believe? At first reading some of them may be, and that is expected with anything categorized as a miracle. The question one has to ask is why have these miracles been seen repeatedly for the last 2000 years, especially among Saints?
I have just come across your videos, and I am really enjoying them.
If you really want to know what they think about Christian believers, just ask them "What's is the only true church that exists on this earth?". Their answer is exactly the same of Jehovah's witnesses and others' false religions. Actually, following Jesus is not a religion. He didn't come to this world to plant a new religion. On the opposite, the people he couldn't stand was the religious ones, who forced others to practice what even they didn't do.
Jesus came to die as The Lamb of God to restore the relationship with Him, because of that He told us to get together in His Name and Celebrate His Death sharing The Lord Super.(ICor 11)
Whoever believes in Him and lives a life according to His teachings will be saved.(John 3)
It doesn't matter If am Baptist or other denomination if I don't have a new way of life. Real Christianity is Relationship with God though Jesus Christ! Every other way of believe could be anything except Christianity!
I used to go to that Church long ago, because of some friends, and they told me I had be baptized again, by the way, I am a Baptist.
Worst than all, in the beginning they read the Bible with me, but when I went to their meetings they start to say that the Bible is not reliable, just the book of Mormon is.
My Bible is my compass, my manual of life! I don't need anything more to show me His Salvation Plan! It's enough!
Watch out!
Who has ear to hear, let him or her to hear!
The only Scripture that mentions the word religion is in the book of James where it says there is right religion. So you might want to reexamine your claim about religion.
Dare Rosane Dias My story about Jehovah's Witnesses 4 years but not anymore I was shung by an elder they told me I'm not allowed to talk to women or going to date but I think it's stupid so I was molested by an elder even my dad's Bible study he doesn't talk to me anymore my dad's by was that was rude also was rude I left before my dad and that's a story about those Jehovah's Witnesses oh yeah and one more thing I pray to Jesus Christ I found another church and a friend of mine gave me a book called The Book of Mormon it's about Joseph Smith
Rosane Dias I hear you bro, I have been forced to go to church, how much money I have to send on tithing settlement. I have been spiritually annoyed and dictated by Christians almost all of my life with the Lord. I call them spiritual Hitler. One of the brother in Christ Jesus try to force myself to go over and preach the gospel to that person. I refused and he said that I am rebellious and influenced by demons.
Rosane Dias yup I would say I am a follower of Jesus just following the Bible
God bless you
I'm a mormon and I have faith in Christ and I know that in order to obtain his grace I must have faith. And faith without works is dead. So yes, I do works but it is Christ's grace that will save me.
Works means that you have to add yourself to the sacrifice of Christ.
You will never be enough. Christ is perfect and sufficient. Only Christ is correct.
The LDS couple is a lovely, nice and caring couple.
Scripture says they will have a likeness of but deny the power there in. Even Satan can appear an angel of light
First let us say there are two basic categories of miracles; 1) First class miracles or what we call "significant" miracles are obvious interventions of God against the laws of nature, and are always astounding, undeniable, and unfakable such as the healings at Lourdes or Jesus walking on water. First class miracles in most cases are witnessed by others or leave undeniable evidence behind, so there is normally no question as to their existence. 2) Second class miracles are smaller miracles that usually occur to people personally, are not usually witnessed by others, and typically do not leave evidence behind for us to use as proof. These "personal" miracles appear to be a way God works through us and gives us direction in life. While second class miracles do occur, in many cases they may appear to have a natural explanation, and in many cases they are difficult to prove since little concrete evidence is left behind. Because of this, it is easily possible for people to claim they experienced a second class miracle when in fact they may not have. This page does not discuss second class miracles since they typically cannot be researched beyond the claims themselves. Rather this page discusses first class miracles in depth which can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt in most cases.
Great and respectable conversation. I learn more from these than the debates where people talk over each other.
12:38 Those two lit up when you told them they are awesome. Thanks for showing the gospel out of Love. I love stuff like that.
was this Temple Square? Anyone notice the brown pickup truck with the camera in the beginning of this? Interesting....
I hadn't noticed that. Weird.
As we can see by Matt's error below. The strawman statement lds are told about us Christians and what a Trinitarian belief is. They go on and on about "they are not the same person", or as Matt, stating they are 3 distinct persons.. Duh...
That is a strawman statement, I have seen this error on their lds web site, so understand where he gets it. Of course they are 3 distinct persons, that is Trinitarian in concept, AND they are 1 God.. period. That is where we differ from polytheistic mormonism. That is a Trinitarian believer speaking to you, giving you the concept in a nutshell.. And in almost half a century of speaking to other Trinitarian believers, that is what we believe. Of course we plainly see, The Father, the Word become flesh: Jesus, and the Holy Spirit( not just a "personage", another bizarre equivocation of mormonism) are 3 distinct persons. And they are 1 true and living God, as there is only 1, creator, of ALL things. Not only the sustainer of life but Life itself, and "in Him" we have life, now, and forever, His.. Because God Himself, took on flesh, the second person of the Trinity, and whose blood was shed to purchase our ransom, and we that believe, "are moved into the Kingdom of His dear Son"..
Oh yes, we see 3 persons.. 1 God, *_the_* true and living God as we are told, eternal, without beginning, without end.. Almighty.. as of course, God is.
LoveInJesus
They were such a lovely couple and handled it so well. Like Dave said most people don’t want to talk about Christ on a video as well, they were really sweet.
As an evangelical, I agree with what this couple is saying almost completely. We have the same core beliefs and I would think that's what matters. There aren't too many differences. If your church professes Jesus Christ and that he is lord and savior I believe you will be saved(read John 3:16 for more on this). I feel that there are people apart of each church that are and aren't saved wether you be lds, Evangelical, baptist, Methodist etc. Some people from each church people do not understand "that it is by grace you have been saved, through faith, not by works so that no one can boast"-Ephesians 2:8-9. While I am young in my faith in god being 15 I believe in it sincerely.
I feel like these two have a typical answers. They are not typical Mormon reactions.... speaking as an ex-mormon myself.
Dear robinsongal, "Not typical Mormon reactions" what does that even mean? What other reactions have you come across?
It's still a so-called church founded established by (a) Man. Or in some cases.. Men or Men and women also.
@@sidname9538 my thoughts exactly. As a member of the church and a return missionary, what this couple shared is all that we preach in the church. Pick any member who has any idea about our doctrines at all and they would say the same thing.
They seem pretty typical in my opinion. Where were you a member at?
This guy only succeeded in making these unbelievers feel ok about themselves.
the LDS man said the beliefs are all the same but that's not true. The LDS church puts Jesus on the same level as Satan and all the other angels. They don't believe He IS God come in the flesh, so their doctrine is way off.
THAT IS ABSOLUTELY REDICULOUS. Yes, they were both sons of God, but Jesus wants the Glory for his father and Satan wants the glory for himself. Satans is gods fallen son who wanted no one to have joy or to be happy because he himself can never have that.
the Bible mentions "God head" not "trinity" also Jesus Christ himself after the resurrection "gained all power both in heaven and earth" -which makes him a God-separate and distinct from "God the FATHER" he now being knwon as "God the SON" (and also by the term "God the Father" because through the Atonement he gives us LIFE (by definition a "FATHER" Gives LIFE to a CHILD) both spiritually and physically through the resurection. it is obvious that Godhood as a state of being can be achieved in both a spiritual body as well resurrected body and I dare say that, universally, our paradigm/definition/understanding of what "GOD"/"GODHOOD" is, is very flawed and that we lack a lot of understanding regarding this state of being. anyways, follow that up with Acts 7. Stephan saw TWO glorified individuals (post resurrection of Christ) and was at the same time "filled with the holy spirit" that gives you 3, THREE, SEPARATE distinct individuals/beings which are collectively called IN-THE-BIBLE- the "GODHEAD" (not trinity) also i would go read Romans 8, john 10 (of which Jesus Himself Quotes Psalms 82) for some further understanding on the topic.
M Fort, just the opposite is true. Please go to lds.org and search a talk given by Elder Faust in part of it he said:
"Our greatest hope comes from the knowledge that the Savior broke the bands of death. His victory came through His excruciating pain, suffering, and agony. He atoned for our sins if we repent. In the Garden of Gethsemane came the anguished cry, “O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.”10 Luke described the intensity of the agony: “And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling to the ground.”11
All of us can find hope in Peter’s experience during the events leading to the Crucifixion. Perhaps the Lord was speaking to all of us when He said to Peter:
“Behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:
“But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.Our greatest hope comes from the knowledge that the Savior broke the bands of death. His victory came through His excruciating pain, suffering, and agony. He atoned for our sins if we repent. In the Garden of Gethsemane came the anguished cry, “O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.”10 Luke described the intensity of the agony: “And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling to the ground.”11
All of us can find hope in Peter’s experience during the events leading to the Crucifixion. Perhaps the Lord was speaking to all of us when He said to Peter:
“Behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:
“But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.”
Satan was a son of God? UNBELIEVABLE
@@kelleynrothaermel2311 Satan is a fallen ANGEL, NOT the Son of God. What are you talking about? I think you should stop reading the book of Mormon and start reading the Bible.
I never met a Mormon I didn't like. Always respect the young men that take 2 years out of their life to be missionary's. How many young people today would do that. As a religious group I think they do a lot for their community. However I think the LDS religious tenents are bonkers.
This couple are very strong in their faith and they got the Spirit! I wish many others from LDS would be so awaken. I am not LDS, I am a Christian Minister, but I know many LDS, and have studied their teachings. I may not agree with all, or rather similar to other Christians would not search for answers which we won't know until we are in Heaven, but the Mormons can for sure be an example for the other followers of Christ with their deep devotion, gentleness of spirit and heart, and care for the world around them in all aspects. I respect them much!
+Maria Jordan So, I know to disagree with anything you say means you cannot speak to it... and only your opinion is non-argumentative.. As being a new believer as you mentioned.. you are full of wisdom now, and posted what you thought was a nice post on how Mormonism is Christianity... So let's look at your post to see.. forgive me Maria if I as an old man in Him, saved from a life of drug addiction 4 and a half decades ago now.. maybe I have some insight.. doubtless this is eclipsed by your understanding of the Bible.. but let's see.. is all I ask.. The following are some of the major differences in your statement you missed that are not Biblical:
You posted:"He possessed the powers of a God"
Answer: No, He is not ever referenced as "a god".. He is God..The Word become flesh.. The Son, is, "God with us".. not "a god".. Mormonism diverges into worse error at this point.
You posted:"We believe that the effects of His rise from the tomb pass upon all men and women. “As in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive” (Corinthians 15:22)"
Answer: Maybe being a "new" believer you do not understand context in reading the Bible.. But I know you understand this principle Maria as anyone does. We all have seen and heard others taking something out of context, knowingly or honestly.. This scripture is not speaking to those that have NOT received Christ as Savior!.
For context read the prior scriptures.. We see Paul is speaking to believers about the resurrection certainly, and their FAITH in Jesus........And their "faith" is unable to save them if Jesus had not risen.. Then they would be "in your sins".. Just like all humanity.. What a terrible thing..
1Co 15:16 For if the dead are not raised, then neither has Christ been raised.
1Co 15:17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins!
You stated:"We do not believe that we can either overcome the flesh or gain eternal reward through our own unaided efforts. We must work to our limit and then rely upon the merits, mercy and grace of the Holy One of Israel to see us through the struggles of life and into life eternal (2 Nephi 31:19; Moroni 6:4). We believe that while human works are necessary- including exercising faith in Christ, repenting of our sins, receiving the sacraments or ordinances of salvation and rendering Christian service to our neighbors - they are not sufficient for salvation (2 Nephi 25:23; Moroni 10:32)"
Answer: Where to begin? There is so much.. how to describe simple fallacy there it is hard to describe.
It is all about works, now matter how it is masked.. look at the wording.. "through our own unaided efforts"
"we must work to our limit and then rely upon the merits, mercy and grace"
"that while human works are necessary"
"receiving the sacraments or ordinances"
"rendering ...... service to our neighbors"
Salvation, receiving the Spirit is by hearing with faith, believing the gospel, we are sealed with the Holy Spirit and moved into God's Kingdom.. period.. His grace isn't "after all you can do".. It is first, it is what qualifies us for our inheritance, it is my standing before Him... He see's Jesus' blood as the atonement for my sin.. period..
We are dead in our sins no longer.. That is the thing you are missing there.... and it was missed in the post on 1 Corinthians... You are either dead in your sins... or Alive In Christ... period.. There is no other state we are in..
I am forgiven, His child, a friend of God is what He calls me.. not because of anything I do... I cannot add to His blood shed for me.. That is my "position" and life "in Him".. You either have life, or you don't. That is what the Bible say's.
We are created for good works, that we should walk in them dear lady.. but that is not what saves me.. Yes my faith is alive and not dead, as I am alive In Christ, and I walk in the light with Him... that is my walk.. that is living "with" Him.. I don't gain sonship.. I don't get "life" by being good... I receive life..
Joh_1:12 But as many as received Him, He gave them the authority to become children of God, to those who believe in His name;
Mormonism is not Biblical Christianity.. Now you may be a new Christian and I cannot tell in this context by anything other than what you "say" you believe.. Just as likewise.. You and I cannot see each other's hearts.. But we can take what each person we meet and thoughtfully compare it to the Bible.. That, as a Christian has been and is what I have been shown to do by the Holy Spirit.. Everyone can have an opinion. There is nothing inherently wrong with that.. What is opinion, or in this case, faith, built on.. Jesus said you will know the truth and His Word is truth.. I am going to check what anyone says to me against that... As Paul commended the Bereans.. that is what we Christians are to do.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion.. as I am, and to disagree is certainly allowed in a forum if done respectfully.. I have had 3 wonderful LDS friends, whom I respect, as I respect you as a person, but scripturally lay my case that your statement is in error, according to the scriptures.. Now any point I made, of course you can respond and it is appreciated.. But my response will be in context of the Bible..
LoveInJesus
+epotterable Sorry friend, you've painted what I don't believe because.. you say so.. lol.. Sorry, those are your conclusions.. they aren't mine.. Contrary to your statement.. I have made it clear what I believe.. that was rather humorous.. oh.. I am not supposed to tell you.. sorry.. you've been studying since... okee doke..
LoveInJesus
+epotterable Thanks a bunch again for telling me what I believe again, what a gift, lol... oh... I would respond, but "I can't tell you".. you've "been studying since"... gotcha.. okee doke.. seems irrelevant to have a conversation with me then isn't it? You can just imagine what I think..I am sure you're right.. (;-} okee doke.
LoveInJesus
+epotterable I didn't say you said those things are irrelevant, I said, you tell me what I believe? Again.. what a gift.. But then you told me not to tell you what I believe.. so again.. a conversation implies you listen to what another says.. You "know" apparently.. so it seems irrelevant when you "know"...Your conclusions are all based on your myopic view of what Christians believe, and you paint all in your mind in your bent of what you have studied.. "oh,, you have studied"... ahh sure.. Lord bless you.
+epotterable So if I may. So you say you are not a Mormon. You say you are a Christian. I read you said you were going to be a pastor. You must have studied at a seminary? Or is it just the basic dogma you studied as you stated? At any rate that is not my question I want you to see... In reading any of the things you say you've studied.. ( I do wonder which denominational school it was as that would help also in response ). So if you "were" denominational, do you believe anything about the denominational tenets you were studying? If you were not a specific denomination.. Do you believe any tenets of anything you read? About any of them.. Do you believe anything from any of the Fathers that you read? Any point at all they believe?
Now... If you answered honestly and I believe you will to any of those questions.. So, you probably or most likely believe some tenets of different denoms you've read. You probably agree with "something" one of the Fathers you like to talk about, but disagree with "some" things they state.. Of course the answer is yes.. Now that would exclude some folks, as their certainly are some folks that accept whatever their denom says on all points.. And there are a bunch, and I have talked to folks that don't agree with every point of their church, but still are.. whatever denom they belong to.. Then we have non-denoms that are from one end of the spectrum from 5 point Calvinist to way out Arminian.. Now just because anyone in that spectrum of belief believes some of the tenets in some degree, BY NO MEANS, means they agree with every single point.. How presumptuous of you, to tell over 2 billion people exactly what they believe.. I chock it up to youth.. and understand..
So.. If you can agree with a tenet someone said, and NOT believe every single point that denom or person or early Father believes..... Why cannot you extend and see that is the case for others??
So.. again... don't tell me friend what I believe. I read the Bible and so many other books. I just got a couple of new ones. The New Linguistic and Exegetical Key To the Greek New Testament by Rogers.. pretty thick but love it so far..
So.. again, listen to others if you want to know what they specifically believe. I am not a denom Christian, and the church's I see growing are not.. I saw over 60 people being baptized just the time before last I went, and a bunch the last time... And you know what.. I take everything my young pastor says and put it against the Word of God.. The Bible.. That is what I believe is true and I am told to test everything against it.. period.
I love what one of my pastors long ago said.... "Don't believe me!! check it out". "check it out".. He was referring to as Paul commended the Bereans, to take what he said and test it against the Bible...
LoveInJesus
Such an official interpreter is absolutely necessary if we are to understand the Bible properly. (We all know what the Constitution says, but we still need a Supreme Court to interpret what it means.)
The magisterium is infallible when it teaches officially because Jesus promised to send the Holy Spirit to guide the apostles and their successors "into all truth" (John 16:12-13).
The true Church of Christ must be universal:
No matter which part of the world you may travel to, you will notice that all Catholic Churches are called "Catholic". Now consider the names of churches started by the Protestant reformers such as Calvinist, Lutheran, Congregationalist, Protestant etc. Protestant churches were not in existence before these names existed, and these names were not created before Protestant churches were. They were not reformed, but all created NEW and SEPARATE.
In addition many Protestants refer to their churches as "reformed", yet the Lutherans, Anabaptists, Trinitarians and others also claim to use the term "reformed". At the same time many Protestant denominations oppose that the other uses the term because they all are in opposition on their beliefs. How could all of these flavors of names, all in disagreement, be the true Church of Christ?
Our Lord perfectly formed and sanctified His Church with His life. The true Church, "the pillar and ground of truth", never needed reforming and to say that the Church Our Lord left us was in need of reforming is to say that Our Lord didn't establish His Church correctly or that the Holy Ghost failed to protect it. Changing or reforming the Church which Our Lord established is not called reform, it is called heresy.
There's also the Orthodox Catholic Church.
Considering the examples Jesus has set for us, consider the lives of the Saints who have imitated these virtues throughout their entire lives and were able to perform miracles as Our Lord did. Moreover, the Catholic Church as a whole has always put into practice these virtues in every season for the love of God.
Consider the glory of so many Saints and other devout religious who gave up all and risked their lives to travel to foreign countries and spread the faith, without other expectation than of labors, miseries, and martyrdom, and without other aim than the honor of God and the salvation of souls. Many of these Saints have died for Christ as did St. Peter, St. Paul, St. Polycarp, St. Agnes and St. Cecilia; they have won whole nations to Christ like St. Patrick, St. Boniface, St. Ansgar, St. Methodius, and St. Francis Xavier; they have founded religious orders of men and women that won countless souls to the perfect following of heroic virtues such as St. Benedict, St. Bernard, St. Francis, St. Dominic, St. Madeline Barat; they have given up all in life to care for the sick, the poor and the imprisoned such as St. Camillus, St. Vincent de Paul, and St. John of Matha; and they have defended the faith in every part of the world as did St. Athanasius, St. Augustine, St. Jerome, St. Ambrose, St. Thomas Aquinas, and St. Canisius. These are just a few examples.
. I think quoting scripture is the most effective way to get across to someone. From experience, Ive tried to explain in my own words to debate but I find that what works best is using scripture as a sword (described in the bible) while using my own words too. Since the bible is truth and it has power, it's words are piercing to the heart of an individual and very effective
The reason James had to explain that we need works with our faith to believers is that faith does not automatically produce good works. Being a believer does not mean you are on autopilot. Otherwise there would be little reason for a large part of the new testament telling believers how they still need to live, do, believe, think... James said that faith "being alone" will not save. "Even so faith, if it has not works, is dead, being alone." So it's possible a believer has faith, but still not living as God would have him/her live.
"Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaken of his evil deeds." 1st John 10-12
I find it interesting that Dave is trying to find separation and the man and woman appear to be more agreeable. I wonder why that is?
They are talking about the "milk" of the religion and not the "meat". Mormonism is absolutely insane if you understand the theology.
@@laurenalmeyda6916 More like progress, development or maybe growth? How lame if we just stayed the same…interesting comment. There must needs be order in all things, line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little and there a little.
CHRISTIANITY IS STRICTLY MONOTHEISTIC! ..... THAT RULES MORmONS OUT!
mono what? so what is trinity exactly
+be the change you wanna see in the world To you, because you have been lied to, it's something other than One God three personages. Over 2 dozen verses in the Bible teach One God.
GOD THE FATHER IS GOD...JESUS IS GOD...THE HOLY SPIRIT IS GOD....JUST LIKE THE WORD OF GOD SAYS! GOT IT?
dee hee you mentioned 4 gods now yeap thx to you ..got it:=))
Mormons rule us out because we believe in the father who is spirit, not a man god from kolob
I had an interesting talk with an LDS a few weeks ago, that did admit he had to work for salvation, to be perfect in this life. I have talked to LDS that thought their church taught you could "perfect" yourself after this life. Here is what I found, and the gentleman was refreshingly honest.
“Have ye walked, keeping yourselves blameless before God? Could ye say, if ye were called to die at this time, within yourselves, that ye have been sufficiently humble? …
Behold, are ye stripped of pride? I say unto you, if ye are not, ye are not prepared to meet God.
Behold ye must prepare quickly; for the kingdom of heaven is soon at hand, and such an one hath not eternal life.” Alma 5:27-28, Book of Mormon.
In his book, The Miracle of Forgiveness, former LDS (Latter-day Saint) Apostle and Prophet Spencer W. Kimball defined the “gospel” of Mormonism as a “code of laws and commandments” by which humans “might attain perfection and, eventually, godhood.” According to Kimball, “this set of laws and ordinances…is the only plan which will exalt mankind.”
One authoritative LDS Church manual, Gospel Principles, describes the LDS gospel plan this way: “Elder Boyd K. Packer of the Council of the Twelve gave the following illustration to show how Christ’s atonement makes it possible to be saved from sin IF WE DO OUR PART.
‘Let me tell you a story.…There once was a man who.…incurred a great debt.…the day came, and the contract fell due. The debt had not been fully paid. His creditor appeared and demanded payment in full.… ‘If you do not forgive the debt there will be no mercy,’ the debtor pleaded. ‘If I do, there will be no justice,’ was the reply.…The debtor had a friend. He came to help.…He stepped between them, faced the creditor, and made this offer. ‘I will pay the debt if you will free the debtor from his contract so that he may keep his possessions and not go to prison.’…And so the creditor agreed.
The mediator turned then to the debtor. ‘If I pay your debt, will you accept me as your creditor?’ ‘Oh yes, yes,’ cried the debtor. ‘You saved me from prison and show mercy to me.’ ‘Then,’ said the benefactor, ‘you will pay the debt to me and I will set the terms. It will not be easy, but it will be possible. I will provide a way. You need not go to prison.’ …Because there was a mediator, justice had claimed its full share, and mercy was satisfied.”-Gospel Principles, 1978, 1992ed, pp. 75, 77 (DP 2-3)
As can be seen by the preceding illustration, the Jesus of Mormonism serves as a mediating “creditor” who essentially refinances our sin “debt” and sets the “terms” and conditions by which we can “pay” him back through strict adherence to LDS gospel “laws.” Consequently, the Book of Mormon states: “…for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do.” “This grace is an enabling power that allows men and women to lay hold on eternal life and exaltation AFTER THEY HAVE EXPENDED THEIR OWN BEST EFFORTS
To stress the importance of expending one’s own best efforts to make oneself worthy of eternal life, Kimball went on to state: “This progress toward eternal life is a matter of achieving perfection. Living all the commandments guarantees total forgiveness of sins and assures one of exaltation through that perfection which comes by complying with the formula the Lord gave us. In his Sermon on the Mount he made the command to all men: ‘Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.’ (Matt. 5:48) Being perfect means to triumph over sin.
This is a mandate from the Lord. He is just and wise and kind. He would never require anything from his children which was not for their benefit and which was not attainable. Perfection therefore is an achievable goal.”The Miracle of Forgiveness, pp. 208-209 (DP 7) “…for I know that the Lord giveth no commandments unto the children of men, save he shall prepare a way for them that they may accomplish the thing which he commandeth them.”-1 Nephi 3:7, Book of Mormon (DP 8)
Lest one obtains the faulty impression that the “perfection” required for ultimate eternal life is a process that can be worked out through the eons of eternity, Kimball responds: “One of the most serious human defects in all ages is procrastination, an unwillingness to accept personal responsibilities now. Men came to earth to obtain their schooling, their training and development, and to perfect themselves.…Because men are prone to postpone action and ignore directions, the Lord has repeatedly given strict injunctions and issued solemn warnings.…And the burden of the prophetic warning has been that the time to act is now, in this mortal life. One cannot with impunity delay his compliance with God’s commandments.” The Miracle of Forgiveness,pp. 7, 9-10 (DP 1, 9-10)
Some may feel that it is unreasonable to believe that God would require total perfection in this mortal life. After all, one might think: “‘The Lord knows my heart is right and that I have good intentions.…’ But will one receive eternal life on the basis of his good intentions?” Kimball asks. He goes on to say: “Samuel Johnson remarked that ‘hell is paved with good intentions.’ The Lord will not translate one’s good hopes and desires and intentions into works. Each of us must do that for himself.…Men and women who live in mortality and who have heard the gospel here have had their day, their seventy years to put their lives in harmony, to perform the ordinances, to repent and to perfect their lives.”
To emphasize the importance of becoming perfect prior to leaving this earth, the Book of Mormon also testifies: “For behold, this life is the time for men to prepare to meet God; yea, behold the day of this life is the day for men to perform their labors.”-Alma 34:32, Book of Mormon (DP 24)
“Have ye walked, keeping yourselves blameless before God? Could ye say, if ye were called to die at this time, within yourselves, that ye have been sufficiently humble? …Behold, are ye stripped of pride? I say unto you, if ye are not ye are not prepared to meet God. Behold ye must prepare quickly; for the kingdom of heaven is soon at hand, and such an one hath not eternal life. Behold, I say, is there one among you who is not stripped of envy? I say unto you that such an one is not prepared; I would that he should prepare quickly, for the hour is close at hand, and he knoweth not when the time shall come; for such an one is not found guiltless. And again I say unto you, is there one among you that doth make a mock of his brother, or that heapeth upon him persecutions? Wo unto such an one, for he is not prepared, and the time is at hand that he must repent or he cannot be saved!” Alma 5:27-31, Book of Mormon (DP 12)
I’m mormon, and how I view them, is respect, I judge people by personality and not by religion. However, I don’t trust them like I used to, because they always shame my religion and made me suicidal and depressed as ONLY a flippin child! I don’t trust some of them, but I respect them and I believe that they are still good people.
I no longer believe in Mormonism. Cool video. I love what you said about learning what other herds believe. I think everyone should do more of that!
Mormonism isn't a Christian denomination
You are completely correct Henry Jordan bcoz there is no such denomination called Mormonism...it's a word or a name created by Christian denominations to distract Christians of the 1800s from calling members of God's newly restored Church. (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints) It's a cool name today bcoz it shows that the Christian denominations has been failing miserably from stopping the 'rock cut out from the mountain' without human hands lol
leSavaii Christianity needs to be reformed again, get back to the teachings of Yeshua
Mormonism is God's Truth denomination organized for the last time by His Son Jesus on this earth.
leSavaii Mormonism teaches a heretical view of Yeshua
What in "the church of Jesus christ of latter day saints" do you not understand?
This guy was a lot better than the guy who shouts at Mormons through a bull horn.
Christ, the Good Shepherd, called Peter to be the chief shepherd of his Church (John 21:15-17). He gave Peter the task of strengthening the other apostles in their faith, ensuring that they taught only what was true (Luke 22:31-32). Peter led the Church in proclaiming the gospel and making decisions (Acts 2:1- 41, 15:7-12).
Early Christian writings tell us that Peter’s successors, the bishops of Rome (who from the earliest times have been called by the affectionate title of "pope," which means "papa"), continued to exercise Peter’s ministry in the Church.
The pope is the successor to Peter as bishop of Rome. The world’s other bishops are successors to the apostles in general.
Every single Mormon Missionary I have spoken to in the 11 years, never spoke like this, they agrue, and put a question to everything when you speak to them. When I spoke about the works, they argue with me and said then you don't have to work then if it doesn't save you, and I said did you know sloth is a sin, we are to not be lazy. Our mission here on earth is to follow God, Live the Gospel, TO DO GOD'S WILL EVERY DAY!, PRETTY MUCH.
I like turtles.
Turtle heads remind me of uncircumcised penises
I use to see a lot of turtles on the high way when I lived in New York! LOL
I prefer frogs, but yeah if there are no frogs around then turtles are fine too.
You are Chelonian.
can you quote scriptures instead of telling half truths.
The sacraments were foreshadowed in the Old Testament by things that did not actually convey grace but merely symbolized it (circumcision, for example, prefigured baptism, and the Passover meal prefigured the Eucharist. When Christ came, he did not do away with symbols of God’s grace. He supernaturalized them, energizing them with grace. He made them more than symbols.
God constantly uses material things to show his love and power. After all, matter is not evil. When he created the physical universe, everything God created was "very good" (Gen. 1:31). He takes such delight in matter that he even dignified it through his own Incarnation (John 1:14).
During his earthly ministry Jesus healed, fed, and strengthened people through humble elements such as mud, water, bread, oil, and wine. He could have performed his miracles directly, but he preferred to use material things to bestow his grace.
HOW GOD SPEAKS TO US
As from the first, God speaks to his Church through the Bible and through sacred Tradition. To make sure we understand him, he guides the Church’s teaching authority-the magisterium-so it always interprets the Bible and Tradition accurately. This is the gift of infallibility.
Like the three legs on a stool, the Bible, Tradition, and the magisterium are all necessary for the stability of the Church and to guarantee sound doctrine.
I would hope that Dave (and the many angry commentators below) would be delighted at this couple's commitment to the Saviour. This is just a wonderful conversation and proves unequivocally that no one need attack or provoke fellow followers of Christ. I find these comment sections to be very sad! We all believe in Christ and we should be sharing that love just as we see Dave and this couple doing. Despite our differences the Lord can bridge the gap. As a Mormon myself I would like to add my own testimony that Jesus is the Christ, I believe in Him, do my best to follow Him and try my very best each and every day to stay true to Him and His message. I love Him with all my heart. The Lord said to love God and to love our neighbours and on this hang all the laws and the prophets. Those two things come before anything else and I think it's wonderful to see this interview where two passionate Christian parties can share their love of Christ with one another. We need to see more of this!
It IS all grace...but...we must endure to the end. Faith without works is DEAD
They try to convince me but didn't work they got mad. They are deceiving people
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+Dave Bartosiewicz counting your views? :DDD so christian of you
+Nate River not mine but God...Complain to Him if you don't like it...God Bless..
+Nate River ??... that doesn't even make sense. You know that, right? As Christians, we are to share the gospel of Jesus Christ with others, so it makes sense he would be happy that this message is being heard by many, and he gives the glory to God.
+Nate River How many times during General Conference does the Mormon church boast it's headcount?
Dave I don't know if you've ever noticed a subtle spirit of slumber on all Mormons. They just seem to have this sleepiness slapped on there perceptions.
That was a good interview. Thanks for posting.
Mormons believe Jesus did not do it all on the Cross, and they have to do works every day to save themselfs. Which we know nothing we do can save us. Only believing and surrending to Jesus, to God. Asking fo rHis mercy, repenting, and confessing, and trying to not sin again. Living the Gospel every day and spreading the gospel at every chance you can.
The true Church of Christ ought to always practice the perfection of Christian life:
Looking at the New Testament, it is filled with teachings from Jesus on how to live the perfect Christian life. Here are many examples of recommended virtues direct from Scripture. In addition to these virtues, Jesus was entirely poor and lived on alms as an example to us, and taught His Apostles to carry nothing when they went to preach. He also taught us to be humble, meek and obedient even to those of which we have no obligation. He left us examples of poverty, chastity, and self-denial. Of what purpose were all these examples if they were not to be put into practice?
bullet Considering the examples Jesus has set for us, consider the lives of the Saints who have imitated these virtues throughout their entire lives and were able to perform miracles as Our Lord did. Moreover, the Catholic Church as a whole has always put into practice these virtues in every season for the love of God.
"Herd Mentality" can apply to any Church, even to mainstream christians.
Sekhubara "Mainstream christians" I say that too! :D haha
+Sekhubara Actually I have to agree with you.. That being said, you can't apply the words, "Biblical truth" to Mormonism.. that one doesn't fit.. But great point! We all need to study the Bible, not take man's word for what it say's.. We, none of us, will be able to stand before Him on the day and say,, "oh, but he told me that was true"..
We are fooling ourselves, if we think we can hand over to others, our eternal responsibility.
Not a one of us.
LoveInJesus
OneDayCloserToHim The problem I have with the phrase "Biblical Truth" is that there are several thousands of Churches all claiming to follow "Biblical Truth". Even the Mormons claim this. The concept of Three Heavens and Baptism For The Dead (uniquely Mormon doctrine) comes from the Bible. The way I see it, either everybody follows Biblical Truth, nobody does, or only one does.
+Sekhubara That, forgive me is a specious at best argument. To take a single verse out of context, to go beyond what is clearly taught is error and leads to falsehood, whoever does it.. And as perhaps, you don't realize Mormonism and Biblical Christianity are totally at odds in what is taught on many doctrines..
Your conclusion was as simplistic as your lack of understanding of what is taught and violates the law of NonContradiction. Basically, A cannot be both A and B when the 2 premises are in disagreement with another.. Simple example but true..
Sorry.. To go further... Jesus was very specific about many things.. Dogmatic would have to be the only way to interpret much of what He said.. I believe, as many many do, that God's truth is not "yes and no", and all of us are responsible to seek God and as Jesus warned the rich man who would send Lazarus to warn his family,, he was told, paraphrasing, "they have the scriptures, if one rose from the dead, they wouldn't believe him". No one is going to stand before Him on the day and be able to say,,"oh I believed that because he told me".. You are responsible eternally for what you believe.. Right or wrong, true or false.. His Word isn't obtuse, He has made salvation plain for all of us.. It is we that twist it, to our own tragic end. But God it say's is not willing that any should perish.. He gave us the gospel, it is not "clouded" obtuse, hidden.. It is simple... God Himself came in the flesh and took the judgment for sin upon Himself, paid the penalty for my sin, I so richly deserve, because of His love for us, and my faith in His blood shed for me, the moment I believe, He seals me with the Holy Spirit of promise, moves me into the Kingdom of light, out of the kindgom of darkness..
The preaching of the cross is foolishness to them who are perishing, but to those who believe, it is the power of God, unto salvation.
LoveInJesus
OneDayCloserToHim Most members of varios churches I have come across will do just that, take a verse and say this verse is true and ignore whatever else Scripture says against it.
The way I see it, NOBODY follows Biblical Christianity but everyone thinks they do. For example: is Baptism necessary for salvation or an eternal sin? I've heard both arguments use the Bible to prove their point. The Bible does seem to both necessitate and condemn Baptism. So to use your example of if A and B are different then nothing can be both A & B. Surely one is right, so how does one know?
If I truly want to follow God and the Scripture, would he damn me to Hell for not picking the right choice in Baptism (or any other commandment for that matter)? He gave this book, he said follow my commandments, but then wrote in contradictory commandments. Why would he send people to Hell for trying their best to follow him?
You said that the preaching of the Cross is foolish to those who are perishing (I assume you mean spiritually). Does that not go against Christ's commandment to preach to all people, wherever they may be found? Does that just smack in the face of common snese? So are you right or Jesus right?
I do agree that people twist scripture for their own ends. How do I know that you're the one with the right answers, and your advice won't condemn me?
Way to NOT present the gospel when talking about Christ and just make a couple of Mormons think they're "okay" with G-d!
How many times have we all heard ignorant people claim that the “whore of Babylon” mentioned in the book of Revelation is the Vatican / Holy Catholic Church? Way too many times. So who or what is the whore of Babylon anyway?
In order to find out, Catholics should always refer to previous texts in the Bible, and never take a verse out of context. The Whore of Babylon is described in Revelation 17:1-18 as follows: "Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me, "Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who is seated upon many waters, with whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and with the wine of whose fornication the dwellers on earth have become drunk." And he carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness, and I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of blasphemous names, and it had seven heads and ten horns. The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and bedecked with gold and jewels and pearls, holding in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the impurities of her fornication; and on her forehead was written a name of mystery: "Babylon the great, mother of harlots and of earth's abominations." And I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. When I saw her I marveled greatly. But the angel said to me, "Why marvel? I will tell you the mystery of the woman, and of the beast with seven heads and ten horns that carries her. The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is to ascend from the bottomless pit and go to perdition; and the dwellers on earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, will marvel to behold the beast, because it was and is not and is to come. This calls for a mind with wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman is seated; they are also seven kings, five of whom have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come, and when he comes he must remain only a little while. As for the beast that was and is not, it is an eighth but it belongs to the seven, and it goes to perdition. And the ten horns that you saw are ten kings who have not yet received royal power, but they are to receive authority as kings for one hour, together with the beast. These are of one mind and give over their power and authority to the beast; they will make war on the Lamb, and the Lamb will conquer them, for he is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those with him are called and chosen and faithful." And he said to me, "The waters that you saw, where the harlot is seated, are peoples and multitudes and nations and tongues.
What a winsome way to go about a conversation. Encouraged.
Mormons aren't Christians, by literal definition. Christianity - One God, Mormonism - Too Many "gods" to keep track of.
The literal definition of Christianity is not one God.
Um. We believe there is God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost. That’s it lol. Idk about you but that wasn’t hard to keep track of.
@@tylernye5044 Are you a Mormon? Do you really believe that you will be a God one day? 🤣
This looked more like how this guy views Mormons.
i am a volunteer youth minister is a Baptist Church. i very much enjoyed this video. to me denominations are at best a style of worship and at their worst they represent division in the body of Christ. thanks to a show called AGT and a singer named Evie Clair , I am learning more about LDS people. I see Jesus in that young lady and what i have learned about LDS is that they do believe in salvation through Jesus. They are Christian same as anyone else. the difference lies mostly in church and pre earth history. I'm personally not convinced anybody has that part spot on correct anyway. As Christians we are all part of the same body of Christ. let's act like it. shall we!
A rational comment in a see of hate. You are indeed a follower of Christ Chad.
Chad Frisk where are you coming from? They preach another gospel that is not a gospel. Ask them if they are Christian without the Book of Mormon. They would say no. Therefore they have added to the gospel. Read what Paul says about that. 🙏✝️
Titus chapter one verse two--please read and then respond, thank you
HOW GOD DISTRIBUTES HIS GIFTS
Jesus promised he would not leave us orphans (John 14:18) but would send the Holy Spirit to guide and protect us (John 15:26). He gave the sacraments to heal, feed, and strengthen us. The seven sacraments -baptism, the Eucharist, penance (also called reconciliation or confession), confirmation, holy orders, matrimony, and the anointing of the sick-are not just symbols. They are signs that actually convey God’s grace and love.
Mormons especially should read the book: The God Makers by Ed Decker. It totally reveals everything about the Mormon Church that will shock them. As for others, when they come to convert you, you are armed with the truth.
Mormons believe that some guy named Joseph Smith comes to some small town, to completely change Christianity and what Jesus taught, what God taught, they misinterpret the bible, Joseph changed the bible too. He brought a False Gospel, which the Bible warns us about, example is Galatians. it says warns us about False Prophets and False Gospel. Our Works do Not Save us. Jesus saves us. But we cannot be lazy, sloth is a sin. we will not be gods/goddesses, or have our own planets, we believe in One God, in three Divine Persons God the Father, God the Son, and God The Holy Spirit. God is the Creator, He was never man before He became God, that is what Mormons believe, they believe they can be gods cause they believe God was a man, they believe is not the creator of the Universe. Not all men are called to the priesthood either, we have different vocations given to us by God Himself. He has a Plan for all of us.
Mormons didnt change the bible as they use the King James Version which is used throughout the world. Mormons beleive that Jesus saves us through his atonement. And good works are a manifestation of ones loves for Jesus Christ and what he did for us upon the cross.. Jesus invites us to become like him. If ye love me keep my commandments. It is only natural for children to want to be like their parent. Saying this does not deminsh his power or his authority or his atonement. If you have children Joanne, I am sure you would want them to be like you and probably even a better version of yourself. Every child or at least children with Good parents and every creature wants to be just like their parent. Mormons believe That God is the creator of this universe. Maybe instead of spreading information that is not true you should attend a service. A loving parent wants his children to be just like himself. He didn't create us to rule and reign over us for his own satisfaction to control us. He loves us we are his children.
Lily Kartchner Mormons are NOT Christian...
Theres no way Jesus apeared to Joseph Smith
Matthew 24:26
King James Version
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
if god and Jesus are the same person who did Jesus pray to?
Dank_Memes isn't that what most Christian religions teach?
God, Jesus, and the holy ghost, right?
how are they all one god but different people?
I thought they were each part of the godhead and when they referred to themselves as one they meant one like a father and son are one or "with the same ultimate goal and purpose"
Dank_Memes please don't think badly of all Mormon people just because you have had bad experience with one(or possibly several), you seem like an intelligent person with clear loyalty and faith in your religion, just remember that everyone has different beliefs and we will get to heaven no matter our religion as long as we are good people at heart.
They all look and sound the exact same. It's like they are programmed. Reminds me of Amway people from the late 90's
They look no diffent than you dude.
Kelleyn Rothaermel u are lost "dude"
Dave, I must say, (and I am a Latter-day Saint), I like your demeanor. Usually, we LDS see Evangelicals who think they are "contending for the faith" but instead act like disrespectful, hostile jerks who clearly do not have the love of God in them and whose actions drip with hypocrisy. Your are a shining credit to you faith, and I'd love to shake your hand someday. God bless you,
+Glen Danielsen Thank you Glen...:)
And this is what gives me hope for Mormons. Their core beliefs in Jesus Christ is mostly the same. They believe in him and they love him and they have hope in him, and many of them love oneanother as well. They may be decieved on some of their beliefs, but they are doing the best they can. I think many of them have charity and are pure in heart, so I think God's grace, and mercy can cover them. God will be the righteous judge.
My loving parents are Mormon. They are some of the kindest people I know. I have hope for them through the precious blood of Christ.
Mormonism is nothing like Biblical Christianity. Mormons use the same words that Christians use, but the meanings behind the words is different. The Mormon Jesus is a false Jesus. Mormons do not believe in the triune God of the Bible. If you change who God is then you are believing a false gospel. Jesus has always been there--He is not a created being. He did not just show up in Matthew, but has been there from the beginning. Anytime you read in the Old Testament The angel of the Lord, who does not appear after the birth of Christ, is often identified as the preincarnate Christ (John MacArthur Study Bible ESV page 38). Go get a study Bible and read it.
Same words but different meanings... like what? Can you give an example?
There is no triune God of the bible. There is a God that the bible comes from. Our God is not of anything as everything is from Him.
We don't believe in a created Jesus. The trinity does teach this though as there was no jesus pre his birth to Mary. We know that we are eternal beings.
Yes the angle of the Lord shows up after His birth. Matthew 28:2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
Some examples: Terminology Differences Between LDS and the Bible
Godhead
LDS: Father and Son are resurrected men with physical bodies. Holy Ghost is a separate man with a spiritual body. Three totally separate Gods. God is married. Other Gods for other worlds (D&C 130:22; Teachings, pp.345-346, pp.370-373; Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. 1, p. 10-12)
Bible: God is not a man (Num. 23:19) He has always been God. (Psa. 90:2; Mal.3:6; Hab. 1:2; Rom. 1:22-25) Only one God. (Isa. 43:10-11; 44:6; 45:21-22) Father is Spirit. (John 4:24; 1 Tim. 1:17)
Jesus Christ
LDS: Literally our elder brother, born to Heavenly parents in the premortal life. Jesus, Lucifer and humans are all the same species and are brothers and sisters. (Gospel Principles, pp. 11, 17, 18)
Bible: Fully God, not a subordinate deity. Eternal. (Isa. 9:6; John 8:58; 1Tim. 3:16; Heb. 13:8; John 1:1-4, 14; Colossians 1:16-17)
The Fall
LDS: Fall was a blessing. It brought mortality, ability to have children and physical death. Adam was given conflicting commandments and was supposed to fall. (Doct. of Sal. Vol. 1, pp 111-116; Gospel Princ., pp. 31-33; 2 Nephi 2:25; Mormon Doctrine. pp. 268-269)
Bible: God intended obedience. Gen. 1:28. God tempts no one. (James 1:13-14) Man is sinful. (Romans 5:12; 8:5-8; 1 Cor. 2:14)
Sin
LDS: Specific acts, not man's basic nature. Must know act is wrong to be a sin. (Mormon Doctrine, pp. 550, 735-736)
Bible: We are in spiritual rebellion until conversion. (Eph. 2:3; Romans 5:6) We do not just commit sins; we are basically sinful (Matthew 1:21; Jeremiah 17:9; Luke 5:32
Salvation by Grace
LDS: Believe Christ's death brought release from grave and universal resurrection. Salvation by grace is universal resurrection. Beyond this, man must earn his place in heaven. Saved by grace after all we can do. (Book of Mormon, 2 Nephi 25:23; Mormon Doctrine pp. 669-671)
Bible: Salvation is not limited to universal resurrection but gift of God to those who believe. (Rom 1:16; Heb. 9:28; Eph. 2:8-9)
The Gospel
LDS: Doctrines and commandments of the LDS Church. True gospel restored by Joseph Smith (Mormon Doctrine, pp.331; 334; Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. 1, pp. 156-159)
Bible: Good news of Christ's death and resurrection as atonement for our sins. (1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Galatians 1:6-8)
Sons of God
LDS: We were all born in heaven, prior to earth, as literal spirit children of God and his wife. (Mormon Doctrine, pp.589-590)
Bible: Spiritually adopted at conversion (John 1:12; Gal. 3:26)
I have more examples, but this is getting too long. These are from Terminology Differences Between LDS teachings and evangelical teachings. Please see more definition differences at Sandra Tanner Utah Lighthouse Ministry (www.utlm.org). LDS and evangelicals have different views based on different sources.
nice cut and paste... but it isn't being honest. Are you saying that Jesus isn't God or wasn't a man? We believe that God has always been God and he is the only one. the author of this is confused or conflating the issues here.
I didn't cut and paste. When I was a Mormon I was taught the LDS part of that "cut and paste" document. The author is telling the truth about Mormonism and what LDS believe. I would suggest you get a Bible (not the JST) and read it like a child cover to cover. That's all. Praying for you.
You didn't cut and paste??? www.utlm.org/onlineresources/terminologymain.htm Shocking that this has the same exact list. Are you a liar or is this a huge coincidence that you just so happened to type the exact same list, punctuation and all? We can't have a discussion if you aren't going to be honest. Well we can but it will not go anywhere.
I have a bible, if you were LDS you would know we don't use the JST. Nice jab. Yet there is still nothing in the JST that would offend you. Really odd jab.
I hope you overcome this childish ability to lie about not copy and pasting things we all know you did.
mormon isn't christian
Really? I am Mormon, and I know that Jesus Christ lives. I love Him and I try my best to follow Him :)
Zach, of course you do. Jesus in central to The Book of Mormon. His appearance in the Americas was astonishing!
If you and I are a true Christian than you don't need to convert Christians to your faith, do you? We are all set for salvation, right?
Jesus Defender Not true.
Dave Bartosiewicz What are you trying to accomplish by putting the LDS church in bad light? If we're all true Christiansx we're all set for salvation, right?
Jesus Christ is not Satan's brother...the Book of Mormon teaches a false Christ that doesn't exist and cant save you.
Mormon doctorine does teach that Jesus can save you. By his grace and only through his grace can one be saved.
..... after all you can do.
These people are so sincere and truthful in their love for Jesus!
I happen to disagree with stuff that Mormonism espouses like Heavenly Mother, God having body of flesh (apart from the incarnation), that God came from another planet, JSmith is a true prophet... but I recognise that these people are so close to Jesus that their faith and love for Him inspire me
+kotarak Which Jesus? So does it matter that they do not believe Jesus is God? He is "a god", one of many in fact. That, depending on the LDS you speak to,, that He was born of heavenly parents? That He was not God eternally? And that He, as the Father and the Holy Spirit are not just "one in purpose", but not 1 God? Friend.. I am afraid John tells us, differently. To not "believe" what the Father has stated of the Son, is to make Him a liar and that person.... well there are some very harsh words for that... and being "close to Jesus", would not be one of them.. Sorry. that alone speaks volumes. There are other essentials to salvation Mormonism speaks directly against... No friend... they are not close to the Jesus of the Bible... Just listen to LDS that have escaped Mormonism and you will hear it also... I have had 3 friends that were LDS, and nice guys.. I liked them... still do... Ate many meals, played golf with one of them.. really enjoyed them as people... they are not Christians.. and with all my heart that hurts to say. You don't believe me? Ask Dave, he was one for over 25 years.. His testimony is not alone at all.
LoveInJesus
Mormons are very much Christians. Christ is their central figure in our church. You are correct we believe in a loving. Forgiving. All knowing christ. You belive in a hateful. Unforgiving christ who schizophrenic Jesus who prays to himself. Your Jesus is very far from christian and biblical +onedaycloser
stan price You've made several statements and errors, and extrapolated your conclusions from that I see. When your basis is in error, naturally your conclusions are also.. So which do you want to address.
1. You do not believe in the record the Father has given of the Son. He is God, not "a god", but God, as there is only one God.
2. You denigrate His nature and dismiss, He is not willing that any should perish.. but you.. we "hate the light" and don't come to it that He may heal and forgive you.
3. The strawman statement about Jesus praying to "Himself"? This is really a complete breakdown of what you think Christians believe about who God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit is.
Your choice.
LoveInJesus
My big question is what good is Christ's crucifixion if He wasn't God ? And where is the sacrifice and love of God if He wasn't Him Himself ?
Your delusion is crazy... try mine instead!
The Pope and Bishops (CCC 880-883)
Jesus gave Peter special authority among the apostles (John 21:15-17) and signified this by changing his name from Simon to Peter, which means "rock" (John 1:42). He said Peter was to be the rock on which he would build his Church (Matt. 16:18).
In Aramaic, the language Jesus spoke, Simon’s new name was Kepha (which means a massive rock). Later this name was translated into Greek as Petros (John 1:42) and into English as Peter. Christ gave Peter alone the "keys of the kingdom" (Matt. 16:19) and promised that Peter’s decisions would be binding in heaven. He also gave similar power to the other apostles (Matt. 18:18), but only Peter was given the keys, symbols of his authority to rule the Church on earth in Jesus’ absence.
The Magisterium (CCC 85-87, 888-892)
Together the pope and the bishops form the teaching authority of the Church, which is called the magisterium (from the Latin for "teacher"). The magisterium, guided and protected from error by the Holy Spirit, gives us certainty in matters of doctrine. The Church is the custodian of the Bible and faithfully and accurately proclaims its message, a task which God has empowered it to do.
Keep in mind that the Church came before the New Testament, not the New Testament before the Church. Divinely-inspired members of the Church wrote the books of the New Testament, just as divinely-inspired writers had written the Old Testament, and the Church is guided by the Holy Spirit to guard and interpret the entire Bible, both Old and New Testaments.
A wonderful thing so encouraging, I see so many testimonies like this, people coming out of "religious" self righteousness, to the real Jesus.. God is saving people all the time.. sorry about others... sincerely:
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*_Diana T Beautiful, Beautiful testimony and I will sincerely and heart-felt give my "amen". I also was born and raised LDS, temple marriage, always active, etc, but just like you described, I felt dead inside. I didn't even feel like God loved me, truly, I'm not exaggerating that at all. It wasn't until I started listening to Christian sermons by various pastors that my eyes began to open and see a different God, a different Jesus. And even then I didn't fully put together that the church "was not true". I just figured I was finally understanding what everyone else at church, apparently and seemingly, understood but I just hadn't for whatever reason. Then life gave us a particular challenge that let me see that the Jesus I was just barely beginning to understand, the Jesus of Nazareth, was not, in fact, the one being taught at church. This led me to opening up my mind to the possibility of the whole church being false. And once that idea pops into your head it's like the fog that you didn't even know you were living in, disappears and the sun shines brightly, and you see everything just so much more clearly. It's wonderful and delightful and beautiful to the taste, for real. Jesus' burden is in fact light, and His yoke really is easy. I'm humbled at the simplicity. Thanks again for sharing your testimony. I loved and appreciated reading it. :) ♡_*
LoveInJesus
The Eucharist (CCC 1322-1419)
Once we become members of Christ’s family, he does not let us go hungry, but feeds us with his own body and blood through the Eucharist. In the Old Testament, as they prepared for their journey in the wilderness, God commanded his people to sacrifice a lamb and sprinkle its blood on their doorposts, so the Angel of Death would pass by their homes. Then they ate the lamb to seal their covenant with God.
This lamb prefigured Jesus. He is the real "Lamb of God," who takes away the sins of the world (John 1:29). Through Jesus we enter into a New Covenant with God (Luke 22:20), who protects us from eternal death. God’s Old Testament people ate the Passover lamb. Now we must eat the Lamb that is the Eucharist. Jesus said, "Unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you have no life within you" (John 6:53).
THE STRUCTURE OF THE CHURCH
Jesus chose the apostles to be the earthly leaders of the Church. He gave them his own authority to teach and to govern-not as dictators, but as loving pastors and fathers. That is why Catholics call their spiritual leaders "father." In doing so we follow Paul’s example: "I became your father in Jesus Christ through the gospel" (1 Cor. 4:15).
The apostles, fulfilling Jesus’ will, ordained bishops, priests, and deacons and thus handed on their apostolic ministry to them-the fullest degree of ordination to the bishops, lesser degrees to the priests and deacons.
The biggest question I have to separate the difference between LDS and Christian is, who do you say Jesus is? Jesus is the big question!
Has a mormon seen sometimes what Galatians 1:8 says?
" *But even if we ourselves or an angel from heaven preaches to you a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let God's curse be on him.* "
That verse is exactly what happened with mormons. An "angel" (Moroni) came from "heaven" after 1800 years with other gospel to complement the Bible (they say)!!!!
How is they don't see that???? They're blind!
Pray for them.
Also theres no.way Jesus apeared to.Joseph Smith
Matthew 24:26
King James Version
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
@@ivonnemeza7923 exactly, Mathew 24:26 goes against what they say that Jesus came to North America to evangelize the Indians.
Exodus 33:20
King James Version
20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
Another reason why Joseph Smith is a false prophet. It's a a lie his revelation.of Seeing Jesus and God.
Dave, I appreciate the fact that you feel differently about Christianity than the LDS do however, you were still very respectful when conversing of your different beliefs on christ. If only we could all respectfully and openly talk about our difference in religious beliefs, we would all understand and and learn so much more about our neighbor.
Thanks Dave, great conversation!
No one can say jack about the Mormon church until you have gone to the church, listened, and actually tried to know what we are about. Talk the Mormon missionaries and have them talk to you about anything you want to know about the church. I challenge anyone to do this earnestly and actually see what we're about.
God's Work, we are doing God's Will in every moment, every day.
One thing I didn't hear from any of the commentators in this video is the words, "Jesus IS God." I think that's the defining thing that distinguishes true Christianity from Mormonism.
You are right. I have done over 300 videos and addressed this in other videos. Thanks for watching!
You bet. God bless. :-)
+Dave Bartosewicz I love how in the interview you brought up how sad you were that people fight wars over which religion is true, and then immediately declare that you think you have the truth in believing in Jesus and the God of Abraham. Obviously I agree with you people shouldn't resort to violence in attempting to discover which religion is true, but do you realize that those who do, whether they be Jewish or Muslim or Buddhist or Christian or any other religion, are just as convinced as you? Believing things without evidence will always end badly, and you should stop it and stop trying to get others to do it too.
You've stated several logical fallacies for someone wanting to appear as one of wisdom. I hardly know where to begin, and in one post it would be to much to respond to your many fallacies, another logical fallacy in itself, so let's focus on just a few.
Christians, and I would have to add many that set about to disclaim the claims and validity of Jesus, have become Christians when, even with the desire to disprove Him, set about with an honest heart to see if it was true. I could go on, but perhaps, just one case I would give you to research is Josh McDowell. You will find sufficient and detailed information, if you really were one to investigate truth for yourself. This would of course suppose, that was something you were open to, not thinking of course, "all wisdom will die with you".
As for myself, it was rather a different journey to Him, so I rather than bore you with His love story for me, I will direct you to others. I must comment on your summation, as it is 3 fallacies in one short burst.
Again, your many fallacies prohibit me from addressing all 3 in space, again, another logical fallacy in itself, but let's focus on, "and you should stop it and trying to ..."
Who are you to say to another, they should not speak what they believe? As a Christian, I may not agree with the LDS or any of the groups you named, but I certainly support everyone's right to speak what they believe. Done courteously of course, as the Bible tells me to, "speak the truth in love", and that of course should be my attitude when speaking, whether it is sharing what I believe or defending what I believe. I as well as others have every right to do this! And hypocritically, what you don't see, is you are doing the very thing you decry in Dave. You are "allowed" the right to attack his beliefs, the way he shares those beliefs, and feel you are "ok" in doing this,, "but he should stop" LOL.. Try taking off the rose colored glasses my friend. I even support your right to say what you did. I love that we live in a country where people can speak their faith, and no one is "lopping off heads". I just love that, and believe this is a basic right for *_others_* as well as myself (;-} .. Sadly you cannot see this.. well perhaps since you portray one with deep thought, you may think a bit of what is said... Perhaps not. That is ok too, you have that right.
Dave, keep doing what you feel Jesus wants you to do. Whether it is sharing with others, speaking to others about Him, and finding out what they believe. Keep a loving and courteous demeanor, as I see you have been doing. Whatever we do, whether it is working in a street ministry, working in a job, serving others or whatever, as Dr. King said,
*_"He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it."_*
So dear Diogenes, many disagree with your statement, which of course you didn't see, you are guilty of the thing you judge in others as somehow error.. Sorry.. You may want to depict another picture there.
LoveInJesus
Your not pinning them down. You need to have them define these terms, residing with God, the priesthood, salvation by grace. If you do so, you will quickly see the vast, unbridgeable chiasm between Mormonism & Orthodox Christianity. Mormonism is anything but Christian, if you had to equate it with another religion, it would most resemble Hinduism with the vast plethora of gods. No Mormons are NOT Christian, by any stretch of the imagination. The current strategy of the Mormon church is to try to cuddle up to Christianity. This needs to be resisted, remind them of the discourse in the "first vision" (pick which version, optional), this is what they really think, and the card carrying temple recommend members know this, they review it every temple "session" they don't believe we're all on the same page. They are lying!!!!
I think the best question you ask....do you read bible and believe by the book or from church...
We are not saved by works, lest any man should boast
The LDS you were interviewing here or not teaching Mormon doctrine
Dave Bartosiewisz says there’s nothing that Christians have to do to obtain salvation other than have faith. But faith without works is dead. This is what the Bible says is needed for salvation; Matthew 3:7,8. Matthew 18:3-5. Matthew 18:8,9. Matthew 19:17. Matthew 25. Mark 16:16. Luke 6:46-49. John 3:5. John 15:1-17. Romans 2:1-11. Philippians 2:12. Hebrews 5:9, James 2:14-26. 1 John 1:7. 1 John 2:3-6. 1 John 3:7. 1 John 3:22-24. 1 John 5:2,3. Revelation 3:20. Revelation 14:12,13. Revelation 22:14.
As a Catholic, I got to say I like this one.