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Thanks Erin, it was a good decision to swap the music track for the pink noise, the representation of how the speaker modifies the original sound clip is much more perceptible.
@@ErinsAudioCornerMy casual YT viewing is via streaming to Oticon digital hearing aids, on which the differences on pink noise are very apparent. When I listen to Ron Brenay’s sound clips - which I also find quite revelatory of differences - I’ll use my Sennheiser HD 450s. As I’m typing this, I got to thinking that a consulting team of Danny R, Erin, and Ron could be very interesting.
I'm not sure why so many hate comments here. That high freq bump is nothing if you use room correction (which you should use for sure). The good thing about that tweeter is that it sounds very soft and gentle. Also a strong side of these speakers is that they provide very tight, focused and defined bass. That's what freq response measurements will never tell you. What I'm trying to say is that the speakers have their strong sides for sure. And yes, the Dali approach is not about to be flat response but to be fun to listen. Thanks for review! PS. 8k is unfortunate price for US of cause. They are 5k in Europe and for that price these are speakers to beat.
@johnsmith-i5j7i you need to fix your room anyway. but with addition to that no one forces you to fix speakers. if you don't like the Dali sound signature then just don't buy it. my comment was mostly relevant to those who think that hi freq is a stopper for them.
The smile curve speaker! Boost the lows, boost the highs and the sales people smile. Probably really works well at modest listening levels where people would have clicked the old loudness button. Nice review.
I wasn't warm to the pink noise idea at first; I was hoping for a NRD-style expansion of the Sound Clips idea, where we get multiple comparisons of voices, percussion, blah blah blah. But the pink noise contrast really underlies the difference. Really love the new EQ suggestions section. Owners of this and future products will appreciate this.
Great idea to show the REW software with the proposed EQ filters. Personally I can't imagine buying new speakers and then not measuring them (umik1) and applying filters generated by REW. Every streamer should have PEQ (thank you Wiim).
While there’s a jarring and growing amount of rumour mongering about the survival of legacy mainstream marques, if they are paying attention and learn anything from what firms like WiiM or even Sonos are delivering with ever more affordable and powerful DSP, it would bet offer such basic functionality as a standard feature on even their entry level models. Not everyone needs or wants to engage in the time and expense of something like Dirac full bass management on a high channel count Atmos system.
Would love to see the more affordable opticons reviewed by you. Thank you for the facts on these! Working around the top end seems like no big deal and I think the bi-amp suggestion should work perfectly. So far, I have not heard a Dali speaker that I did not like. Perfect? No. But very enjoyable to my ears.
I agree. yes people and reviewers can and should have their subjective opinion ofc, and I respect his. but some of the problem to me is there seem to be a narrative home speakers `should` have a flat response curve. which is not the aim of most speaker makers, home speakers are for content enjoyment. not mixing in studios
@@hotdog9262 Look closer to the desired in-room response and goals for in-room response. A really good sounding speaker, in general, will have a tilt downward overall. All of the measurements add up to paint a picture of how the speaker will perform. Measurements are not everything of course, but these details are critical for setup and to get an idea of what the speaker will do and what it can do. And, what not to do with it.
@@MR_Garage yes a downward tilt. but people also atleast in my experience, in general favor a slightly U shaped freq response. especially if they listen at moderately loud sound levels
Erin, not sure if you said anything about this, but.. Just to be clearer, white noise is equal energy at all frequencies. Pink noise has equal energy per octave, and the energy decreases as the frequency increases. This bias of energy over frequency is much more palatable in the audio world, as speakers that would be flat relative to white noise are the annoyingly bright type with phony detail. A flat response more relative to pink noise would be warm & inviting and non-fatiguing at loud SPL's.
It was very interesting to watch your review. After reviewing the Rubikore 2, I wondered how the Rubikore 6 would sound in comparison. I also had to position the speakers straight, without toe-in, and after trying several amplifiers, I really liked how they sounded with the Naim XS3. It managed to soften the top end and added that midrange creaminess I felt was missing.
I used to think this made sense until watching Erin's reviews and data comparisons. Now I also realize boosting the treble ruins the midrange. Theres no good reason for it.
Hmm, correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Dali's whole purpose of the hybrid tweeter module was to get around the way dome tweeters become more directional at high frequencies. Is this implementation a success or fail at getting around that? Also, do you think Dali's proprietary SMC technology accounts at all for the low distortion seen in the low frequencies? That said, I've heard Dali Oberon and Rubicon in the past, and always liked the sound of them.
Lowering of 3rd order HD is exactly in line with SMC. Distorting currents produced by the hysteresis effect of the iron (in the driver's magnetic circuit) result in odd-order distortion products. SMC replaces iron, so it makes sense that it eliminates 3rd order HD. Also note the rise in 2nd order HD when going from 86dB to 96db, while 3rd order HD remain about the same. This shows that the 2nd order HD is caused by a mechanical/magnetic asymmetry.
Yup, as I suspected, pink noise is MUCH better at revealing what a speaker adds to (or subtracts from) the original signal. From the time I heard it, I knew almost exactly where the frequency response of this speaker was going to show a peak, and the frequency graph confirmed it.
Hi Erin, the woofer "engineering that is going on" is SMC. Please review a Dali Oberon, the '3' being a sweet spot, they are the least expensive Dalis with SMC. There is a Dali YT vid describing the development of SMC.
I like the pink noise comparison and can really hear the hot top end. That DALI Rubikore 6 may sound thrilling initially, only to become fatiguing later.
Dali brand often has a lifted tweeter and they've been that way for the longest time. Dali speakers usally offer very good bass and decent sensitivity in my limited experience. Excellent review!
I could even hear the difference on my integrated laptop speakers that only cost me $250 when most of the time I have difficulty noticing the difference when plugged into my Sennheiser headphones.
Heard these at a local hifi shop with Hegel H400 and H600. There was a pretty huge difference going to the big dog, but I definitely agree on the sibilance. It sounded great on some songs, but something like Primus - Jerry Was A Racecar Driver was almost painful to listen to when it came to the distorted guitars. I was wondering if the room was to blame, but it's nice to see that my ears weren't fooling me.
Sounds like if you stick a 1.2 to 1.7 k ohm 1W resistor on the super tweeter will get you in the right spot. How's the bi- amping does that go to both tweeters only?
Crazy man.... I was just looking at these yesterday and first thing I see today when opening YT is your review. I hope you tell me how total garbage they are because I spent a few hours yesterday looking at them and that's always a bad sign... But not much hope for the wicked, Dali speakers are always pretty amazing. On to the video...
@ec6843 yeah, no. Tarun found them recessed too. I had my share of that with Q Acoustic speakers. It was hoping that tweeter array with a super tweeter would have the opposite effect but nope. Crossed from my list of crazy upgrade to get me out of the audio merry-go-round.
In my space it’s about 51 inches or so. But in a larger space it can measure quite a bit higher. For example, in this video the Magico M9 is being measured and it’s about 80 inches tall. m.th-cam.com/video/sGSjHkcX_O8/w-d-xo.html
@@ErinsAudioCorner Oh wow 80" tall. I feel your pain! I love my dedicated Stereo / Home Theater room EXCEPT for the ceiling height 😞... but Live with what we have at the moment... certainly a much nicer room than what I was in previous!
If you like your sound with a little spice on top or use EQ this speaker is not bad. 75° radiation & some sweet head banging low distortion numbers. Impressive. Pretty sweet looking too in that 1st cabinet color he showed. I'm not a fan of the up tilt in frequency though..roll it off & I'm your huckleberry. Pink noise was very revealing; even on my cell phone.
Thank you again for such a detailed and thorough review. All I could think of when you were describing the frequency response was visualizing how the conversation with the engineers was going when they design this speaker. You remember that SNL skit... More cowbell😅
Hi Erin! I like your new backdrop for your videos... it looks great. Can you give us some pics or at least an idea of your listening room (dimensions, how is it treated, any inherent dips or peaks with freq response in your room? Also, what's been your experience with crossover upgrades that don't change the freq response but do improve clarity.
I think in many ways it has. I get a LOT of emails that I don’t share publicly regarding my reviews and a fair amount of Klippel NFS’ have been sold because of my reviews. I know because I’ve consulted on those purchases.
@@ErinsAudioCorneramen… 90% of speakers suck. I hope all those kipples help. I spent years auditioning (not an understatement) and only bought a handful. I ended up buy and only keeping thiel, Revel and JBL. The Thiel I used about 2db of EQ to bring down the highs. The others needed no EQ (unless you count subs as EQ). I really want to justify Wilson audio as I enjoy them but I can hear their flaws. I can’t spend the money knowing of the issues. My guilty pleasure is B&W 802D line. They kind of suck… no they do suck but I still enjoy them lol…. Don’t buy them…
@@JamesWilliams-gf8gmYou should probably turn away from the popular brands. They pretty much all have colorations, only smaller brands care about giving you a faithful representation of the music.
Hi Erin . I apreciate your reviews, but i have a question Why No Monitor Audio speakers reviews ? Its a very popular brand , and now silver 100 7g and gold 5g have big discounts
Given the equal loudness contour, unless you’re listening at reference volumes, wouldn’t a bass and treble boost actually sound more neutral? If your preference is flat anechoic and you listen at below reference, you actually prefer a boosted midrange sound.
Unless you listen at 50 to 60dB, that is only when a V shaped/U Shaped frequency response is not gonna sound bad for speakers. Listen at 75dB or higher then yeah you need the frequency response to be a variation of neutral balanced
That is Room EQ Wizard used to generate the parametric EQ filters that you can use with a DSP system like the MiniDSP, Wiim, Equaliser APO amongst others
Goes to show that speaker manufacturers who rigorously test their designs tend to produce the best designs. Why in the world would a speaker designer go in business doing nothing more than back-of-the-envelope calculations and rule-of-thumb designs, beats me.
Great review. And they are at a price of $88k..hmm. (edit - CC shows $88,000 i stand corrected by the replies ) Ya know what else one can buy for that? Aston Martin Valhalla. A hypercar with 937 horsepower. Think of the engineering involved in that as compared to the floorstanders. As Don McLean wrote, "Because the more you pay, the more it's worth. ". Merry Christmas.
@@CC-xu2yz Agreed. Most folks who can afford $8K are not watching this channel and would consider $8K as chump change anyway. I guess that's why the cheap audio man exists. God bless him.
@@mykhailoskachkov5946 there are much better speakers for $5000 in Europe but I won't fault anyone who still gets them since it is their personal choice regardless
Love the pink noise. Definitely can tell a difference. I have come to realize that I have sensitive ears to overly bright top ends. I prefer a more neutral, natural sounding speaker that most people call boring. I’m a person who listens to music for hours on end. I need a speaker that is not bright and fatiguing. I absolutely love my Q-Acoustics Concept 50’s. They are neutral sounding and non fatiguing.
I aways thought DALI speakers were bright. Also, I don't get the point of the super-tweeter -- no one can hear the content (what little there is) above 14 kHz anyway.
Wow, turning it 30 degrees off axis dont do much below 10khz in the PIR, it just robs the sparkle from the speaker. This is one bright sparkleless speaker. 😂😂😂
Heard Dalis biggest at a show. Speakers taller than a man and I think the total cost for the Dali and Harman Kardon system was well above $100.000. ...sounded like shit. Audiophiles really hate to have fun. That much cone area and barely any mmmph at all and way to bright at higher volumes. I will never get it... Old men like stupid tweeters
?!Why complain.. Every video isn't made for everybody.. some are applicable to you and some aren't.. you're living in a big world with a lot of different people . I don't have $8000 either .. get used to not having what you want all the time in this life..😵💫
so many designs intended for folks with more money than brains. but they 'look' great and have a 'super' tweeter that apparently does very little. nice review as always
With 8k$ I can make some really good DYI speakers that even go lower, all that including the very good DSP plate amps from Hypex, measuring devices and apps. And I have fun. Maybe they won't look as good as these, but they will sure sound much better. Before anyone tells me that I need tools, no I don't, I can order the panels cut on CNC, assembling them takes glue and clamps. The box panels can be designed in google sketchup.
measurements based reviews is a good example of one shouldn`t necessarily base one`s next pair on one. few high quality makers aim for flat monitor like response, they design and adjust from their ears. its not like flat freq is objectively `good`
dali sound very good, warm and natural imo. although dalis expensive lines have `always` to some been a bit tweeter heavy. personally I think so many `anglos` are used to sound leaning toward `monitor` so anything more laid back/natural, sound scooped out to them in the midrange comparatively
I'll be the devil's advocate. The pink noise was WAY more revealing, that is no doubt true. Super nice that you are experimenting with this. 🙇 And I enjoyed having that. But, it also makes me wonder, does it teach/display the RIGHT thing? I'm not at all a measurement doubter, but might it also be the case that this exaggerates the difference in a way that risks being misleading given that it's music we're all listening to all day? I wasn't there in-room to judge if the noise difference was real-world representative or exaggerating, so I'm absolutely not judging. What's your feeling on it?
The pink noise was very revealing. Honestly, on-axis they sound just terrible, very painful to listen to. But even 30 degrees is still really far off. I’m suprised that they can sell the pair for so much money
Looks good; but, oh dear, that really was an obvious audio difference and not in its favour. You'd think for its excessive cost it would be designed better.
This is the way Dali voiced them, it's not a deficiency. Just because a speaker measures flat doesn't mean it sounds good, more of the time flat sounds good with Jazz and Classical. I think for most music, people liked the scoped out mid-range. I know i do, it's more of a rock your socks off, all about personally taste.
Nothing about amp comparisons, source material, room size, room treatment, and of course, it's your ears. Measurements are mostly worthless. I find this video to be mostly pointless. Use your own brains, people.......
You’re at the wrong place for all that. There are tons of other channels that give you thesaurus-borne information. Go there. But thanks for the algorithm boost. 👍
Not seeing any kind of value for $8k, plenty of much less expensive speakers that are better engineered and more neutral sounding...and to boot, I personally think they are aesthetically hideous.
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Thanks Erin, it was a good decision to swap the music track for the pink noise, the representation of how the speaker modifies the original sound clip is much more perceptible.
Thanks for changing to pink noise for your comparisons, Erin. It really makes differences obvious, even when watching on my phone.
Glad to hear it! It helps to really separate the speaker differences.
Definitely. It’s more useful.
@@ErinsAudioCornerMy casual YT viewing is via streaming to Oticon digital hearing aids, on which the differences on pink noise are very apparent. When I listen to Ron Brenay’s sound clips - which I also find quite revelatory of differences - I’ll use my Sennheiser HD 450s.
As I’m typing this, I got to thinking that a consulting team of Danny R, Erin, and Ron could be very interesting.
@@fonkenful Can't watch Danny.
@@fonkenful what? Danny is a charlatan, please don't lump Erin in with that guy, eesh.
I'm not sure why so many hate comments here. That high freq bump is nothing if you use room correction (which you should use for sure).
The good thing about that tweeter is that it sounds very soft and gentle.
Also a strong side of these speakers is that they provide very tight, focused and defined bass. That's what freq response measurements will never tell you.
What I'm trying to say is that the speakers have their strong sides for sure.
And yes, the Dali approach is not about to be flat response but to be fun to listen.
Thanks for review!
PS. 8k is unfortunate price for US of cause. They are 5k in Europe and for that price these are speakers to beat.
You shouldn't have to need peq to fix a speaker
@johnsmith-i5j7i you need to fix your room anyway. but with addition to that no one forces you to fix speakers. if you don't like the Dali sound signature then just don't buy it. my comment was mostly relevant to those who think that hi freq is a stopper for them.
Honestly, much better than I thought they'd measure
The smile curve speaker! Boost the lows, boost the highs and the sales people smile. Probably really works well at modest listening levels where people would have clicked the old loudness button. Nice review.
I wasn't warm to the pink noise idea at first; I was hoping for a NRD-style expansion of the Sound Clips idea, where we get multiple comparisons of voices, percussion, blah blah blah. But the pink noise contrast really underlies the difference.
Really love the new EQ suggestions section. Owners of this and future products will appreciate this.
Yeah I have to 2nd that...love the EQ sharing
Great idea to show the REW software with the proposed EQ filters.
Personally I can't imagine buying new speakers and then not measuring them (umik1) and applying filters generated by REW. Every streamer should have PEQ (thank you Wiim).
While there’s a jarring and growing amount of rumour mongering about the survival of legacy mainstream marques, if they are paying attention and learn anything from what firms like WiiM or even Sonos are delivering with ever more affordable and powerful DSP, it would bet offer such basic functionality as a standard feature on even their entry level models. Not everyone needs or wants to engage in the time and expense of something like Dirac full bass management on a high channel count Atmos system.
Would love to see the more affordable opticons reviewed by you. Thank you for the facts on these! Working around the top end seems like no big deal and I think the bi-amp suggestion should work perfectly. So far, I have not heard a Dali speaker that I did not like. Perfect? No. But very enjoyable to my ears.
I agree. yes people and reviewers can and should have their subjective opinion ofc, and I respect his. but some of the problem to me is there seem to be a narrative home speakers `should` have a flat response curve. which is not the aim of most speaker makers, home speakers are for content enjoyment. not mixing in studios
@@hotdog9262 Look closer to the desired in-room response and goals for in-room response. A really good sounding speaker, in general, will have a tilt downward overall. All of the measurements add up to paint a picture of how the speaker will perform. Measurements are not everything of course, but these details are critical for setup and to get an idea of what the speaker will do and what it can do. And, what not to do with it.
@@MR_Garage yes a downward tilt. but people also atleast in my experience, in general favor a slightly U shaped freq response. especially if they listen at moderately loud sound levels
Erin, not sure if you said anything about this, but.. Just to be clearer, white noise is equal energy at all frequencies. Pink noise has equal energy per octave, and the energy decreases as the frequency increases. This bias of energy over frequency is much more palatable in the audio world, as speakers that would be flat relative to white noise are the annoyingly bright type with phony detail. A flat response more relative to pink noise would be warm & inviting and non-fatiguing at loud SPL's.
Too hot in the treble is easy to EQ, so if otherwise a great speaker worth considering.
I know 50hz from a tower has a sensation that 50hz of a bookshelf cannot replicate, but still, surprised how quickly these drop off under 50hz.
It was very interesting to watch your review. After reviewing the Rubikore 2, I wondered how the Rubikore 6 would sound in comparison. I also had to position the speakers straight, without toe-in, and after trying several amplifiers, I really liked how they sounded with the Naim XS3. It managed to soften the top end and added that midrange creaminess I felt was missing.
I’ve got the Rubikore 2 coming soon. So that should help you identify what you heard. 👍
@@ErinsAudioCorner Perfect, I am following 👍🏽
What I’ve heard of Dali at AXPONA I’ve really liked. Very smooth sounding with nothing bothersome to me.
I freakiň looooove the pink noice comparison thing. 🥰
It suites my hearing / brain 100%.
Thank you ever so much, Erin,, ❣🙏❣
Another excellent review. Specially appreciated the comments on the need or lack there of for a subwoofer on tower speakers.
Pink sound makes a huge difference. Again masterclass taking us to your room and put context on how speaker feels. ❤
The treble boost is designed to offset hearing loss in their target age group 😊
I used to think this made sense until watching Erin's reviews and data comparisons. Now I also realize boosting the treble ruins the midrange. Theres no good reason for it.
@pgansz truth
😱 they are 5k in europe.
Hmm, correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Dali's whole purpose of the hybrid tweeter module was to get around the way dome tweeters become more directional at high frequencies. Is this implementation a success or fail at getting around that?
Also, do you think Dali's proprietary SMC technology accounts at all for the low distortion seen in the low frequencies?
That said, I've heard Dali Oberon and Rubicon in the past, and always liked the sound of them.
Lowering of 3rd order HD is exactly in line with SMC. Distorting currents produced by the hysteresis effect of the iron (in the driver's magnetic circuit) result in odd-order distortion products. SMC replaces iron, so it makes sense that it eliminates 3rd order HD.
Also note the rise in 2nd order HD when going from 86dB to 96db, while 3rd order HD remain about the same. This shows that the 2nd order HD is caused by a mechanical/magnetic asymmetry.
Symetric spider and surround also increases 2nd order, dynamic compression indicate that soft parts act as brakes.
Yup, as I suspected, pink noise is MUCH better at revealing what a speaker adds to (or subtracts from) the original signal. From the time I heard it, I knew almost exactly where the frequency response of this speaker was going to show a peak, and the frequency graph confirmed it.
Would you attribute the low 3H distortions to the s.m.c. technology?
I’m not familiar with that so I did a quick google search. I can’t say for sure but it seems like it could be a contributing factor.
Hi Erin, the woofer "engineering that is going on" is SMC. Please review a Dali Oberon, the '3' being a sweet spot, they are the least expensive Dalis with SMC. There is a Dali YT vid describing the development of SMC.
Can’t wait to watch it !
I like the pink noise comparison and can really hear the hot top end. That DALI Rubikore 6 may sound thrilling initially, only to become fatiguing later.
Dali brand often has a lifted tweeter and they've been that way for the longest time. Dali speakers usally offer very good bass and decent sensitivity in my limited experience. Excellent review!
I could even hear the difference on my integrated laptop speakers that only cost me $250 when most of the time I have difficulty noticing the difference when plugged into my Sennheiser headphones.
Heard these at a local hifi shop with Hegel H400 and H600. There was a pretty huge difference going to the big dog, but I definitely agree on the sibilance. It sounded great on some songs, but something like Primus - Jerry Was A Racecar Driver was almost painful to listen to when it came to the distorted guitars. I was wondering if the room was to blame, but it's nice to see that my ears weren't fooling me.
Zowy, that pink noise was a great idea.
Erin have you think about design your own speakers and sell them?
Sounds like if you stick a 1.2 to 1.7 k ohm 1W resistor on the super tweeter will get you in the right spot. How's the bi- amping does that go to both tweeters only?
Crazy man.... I was just looking at these yesterday and first thing I see today when opening YT is your review. I hope you tell me how total garbage they are because I spent a few hours yesterday looking at them and that's always a bad sign... But not much hope for the wicked, Dali speakers are always pretty amazing. On to the video...
They objectively measure pretty bad. Get them if you enjoy recessed vocals added artifacts in your highs.
@ec6843 yeah, no. Tarun found them recessed too. I had my share of that with Q Acoustic speakers. It was hoping that tweeter array with a super tweeter would have the opposite effect but nope. Crossed from my list of crazy upgrade to get me out of the audio merry-go-round.
Pink noise was a great idea, very very apparent. With music it was much harder and unclear to tell what exactly was changing.
Very good distortion and dynamic range but oowee is it bright
Erin, Klippel - Max speaker height that your Klippel can handle? Thanks.
In my space it’s about 51 inches or so. But in a larger space it can measure quite a bit higher. For example, in this video the Magico M9 is being measured and it’s about 80 inches tall.
m.th-cam.com/video/sGSjHkcX_O8/w-d-xo.html
@@ErinsAudioCorner Oh wow 80" tall. I feel your pain! I love my dedicated Stereo / Home Theater room EXCEPT for the ceiling height 😞... but Live with what we have at the moment... certainly a much nicer room than what I was in previous!
If you like your sound with a little spice on top or use EQ this speaker is not bad. 75° radiation & some sweet head banging low distortion numbers. Impressive. Pretty sweet looking too in that 1st cabinet color he showed.
I'm not a fan of the up tilt in frequency though..roll it off & I'm your huckleberry.
Pink noise was very revealing; even on my cell phone.
Thank you again for such a detailed and thorough review.
All I could think of when you were describing the frequency response was visualizing how the conversation with the engineers was going when they design this speaker. You remember that SNL skit... More cowbell😅
Hi Erin! I like your new backdrop for your videos... it looks great. Can you give us some pics or at least an idea of your listening room (dimensions, how is it treated, any inherent dips or peaks with freq response in your room? Also, what's been your experience with crossover upgrades that don't change the freq response but do improve clarity.
Love Dali! Wish you could review the Rubicon 2. They're on sale.
yeah! bought them this week 1200 euro
They will probably be as bad as these.
bad? this is rubikore not rubicon noob
"... That deaf, dumb, and blind kid, sure plays a mean pinball..." (Algorithm)
Pink noise is a much better comparison than the music samples.
Very nice.
Can't wait till your channel has the same effect on speaker manufacturers that Amir had on DAC manufacturers.
I think in many ways it has. I get a LOT of emails that I don’t share publicly regarding my reviews and a fair amount of Klippel NFS’ have been sold because of my reviews. I know because I’ve consulted on those purchases.
@@ErinsAudioCorneramen… 90% of speakers suck. I hope all those kipples help.
I spent years auditioning (not an understatement) and only bought a handful. I ended up buy and only keeping thiel, Revel and JBL. The Thiel I used about 2db of EQ to bring down the highs. The others needed no EQ (unless you count subs as EQ).
I really want to justify Wilson audio as I enjoy them but I can hear their flaws. I can’t spend the money knowing of the issues.
My guilty pleasure is B&W 802D line. They kind of suck… no they do suck but I still enjoy them lol…. Don’t buy them…
@@JamesWilliams-gf8gmYou should probably turn away from the popular brands. They pretty much all have colorations, only smaller brands care about giving you a faithful representation of the music.
Hi Erin . I apreciate your reviews, but i have a question Why No Monitor Audio speakers reviews ? Its a very popular brand , and now silver 100 7g and gold 5g have big discounts
I can’t get anyone to send them to me. If you’d like to ship me some I’d be happy to.
Given the equal loudness contour, unless you’re listening at reference volumes, wouldn’t a bass and treble boost actually sound more neutral? If your preference is flat anechoic and you listen at below reference, you actually prefer a boosted midrange sound.
Do you listen at the exact same SPL all the time? Does this speaker match that ELC exactly?
Unless you listen at 50 to 60dB, that is only when a V shaped/U Shaped frequency response is not gonna sound bad for speakers.
Listen at 75dB or higher then yeah you need the frequency response to be a variation of neutral balanced
What EQ program was that?
My guess would be REW..(?)
That is Room EQ Wizard used to generate the parametric EQ filters that you can use with a DSP system like the MiniDSP, Wiim, Equaliser APO amongst others
@ thanks! I’ve used REW but the interface looks to have changed a little.
That super-tweeter on the top adds so much “air” without having the beryllium harshness
You can't hear anything from that stupid super tweeter anyway. It's a useless addition to the speaker.
Nonsense.
@@r423fplip lol. Yep.
@@r423fplip metal tweeters can.. indeed sound subjectively harsh. why you think his statement is controversial is beyond me
@@hotdog9262that’s nonsense.
Goes to show that speaker manufacturers who rigorously test their designs tend to produce the best designs. Why in the world would a speaker designer go in business doing nothing more than back-of-the-envelope calculations and rule-of-thumb designs, beats me.
You should review a Pylon Audio Diamond speaker if you can.
Follow the manufacturer's recommendation, they are supposed to know their speakers well.
I only have to look at the thumbnail to know what Erin thinks about a speaker. Saves a lot of time.
31st!
😂😂😂
Great review. And they are at a price of $88k..hmm. (edit - CC shows $88,000 i stand corrected by the replies ) Ya know what else one can buy for that? Aston Martin Valhalla. A hypercar with 937 horsepower. Think of the engineering involved in that as compared to the floorstanders. As Don McLean wrote, "Because the more you pay, the more it's worth. ". Merry Christmas.
8k, not 88k. Still not worth it.
It is $8000 but still not the speaker to get in that price bracket but yeah I get the sentiment lol
@@CC-xu2yz Agreed. Most folks who can afford $8K are not watching this channel and would consider $8K as chump change anyway. I guess that's why the cheap audio man exists. God bless him.
@@KofiBaffour-t8o In Europe they cost 5k. For this price they are excellent speakers.
@@mykhailoskachkov5946 there are much better speakers for $5000 in Europe but I won't fault anyone who still gets them since it is their personal choice regardless
Sorry for off-topic, Erin you haven't said much about DACs. If you had $2k speakers and $2k amp, how much would you spend on your DAC? thank you...
MiniDSP SHD is what to get
I would get a balanced DAC like Topping D50 III, which also has PEQ filters.
impedance curve?
Will be uploaded to his website later... This video is short so just wait till it goes live on there
8k wow.😢
Dali never knew how to build a proper 3 way…….😮
Yep, pink noise is brutally revealing.
Dali is hard to beat on what you get for the money🎉
Hmm, to me, they seem way overpriced for what you get.
I would definitely not buy any. They are just not good enough.
Not to me.
Love the pink noise. Definitely can tell a difference. I have come to realize that I have sensitive ears to overly bright top ends. I prefer a more neutral, natural sounding speaker that most people call boring. I’m a person who listens to music for hours on end. I need a speaker that is not bright and fatiguing. I absolutely love my Q-Acoustics Concept 50’s. They are neutral sounding and non fatiguing.
I aways thought DALI speakers were bright. Also, I don't get the point of the super-tweeter -- no one can hear the content (what little there is) above 14 kHz anyway.
I have Epicon 2's, Zensor 7's, Zensor 1's and Spektor 1's - none of them are bright.
Wow, turning it 30 degrees off axis dont do much below 10khz in the PIR, it just robs the sparkle from the speaker. This is one bright sparkleless speaker. 😂😂😂
Heard Dalis biggest at a show. Speakers taller than a man and I think the total cost for the Dali and Harman Kardon system was well above $100.000.
...sounded like shit. Audiophiles really hate to have fun. That much cone area and barely any mmmph at all and way to bright at higher volumes.
I will never get it... Old men like stupid tweeters
I don’t have 8000.00 dollars
?!Why complain.. Every video isn't made for everybody.. some are applicable to you and some aren't.. you're living in a big world with a lot of different people .
I don't have $8000 either .. get used to not having what you want all the time in this life..😵💫
@@shipsahoy1793 I do have $8K which I could spend but can't justify spending that much on speakers. Diminishing returns.
so many designs intended for folks with more money than brains. but they 'look' great and have a 'super' tweeter that apparently does very little. nice review as always
thinking the same. 8k a pair requiring serious EQ action. I would definitely check out other types and brands first.
With 8k$ I can make some really good DYI speakers that even go lower, all that including the very good DSP plate amps from Hypex, measuring devices and apps. And I have fun. Maybe they won't look as good as these, but they will sure sound much better. Before anyone tells me that I need tools, no I don't, I can order the panels cut on CNC, assembling them takes glue and clamps. The box panels can be designed in google sketchup.
measurements based reviews is a good example of one shouldn`t necessarily base one`s next pair on one. few high quality makers aim for flat monitor like response, they design and adjust from their ears. its not like flat freq is objectively `good`
@@hotdog9262?
@@hotdog9262 Okay. lol.
I would loan you my Carina floorstanders-if I wasn't living in Greece...
These Dalis suck for the price😂
dali sound very good, warm and natural imo. although dalis expensive lines have `always` to some been a bit tweeter heavy. personally I think so many `anglos` are used to sound leaning toward `monitor` so anything more laid back/natural, sound scooped out to them in the midrange comparatively
Spot on. Their brand is built around that stupid super tweeter (in their higher end models) which adds nothing to the speaker.
Very poor.
I'll be the devil's advocate.
The pink noise was WAY more revealing, that is no doubt true. Super nice that you are experimenting with this. 🙇 And I enjoyed having that.
But, it also makes me wonder, does it teach/display the RIGHT thing? I'm not at all a measurement doubter, but might it also be the case that this exaggerates the difference in a way that risks being misleading given that it's music we're all listening to all day?
I wasn't there in-room to judge if the noise difference was real-world representative or exaggerating, so I'm absolutely not judging. What's your feeling on it?
The pink noise was very revealing. Honestly, on-axis they sound just terrible, very painful to listen to. But even 30 degrees is still really far off. I’m suprised that they can sell the pair for so much money
They have good directivity at least
Looks good; but, oh dear, that really was an obvious audio difference and not in its favour. You'd think for its excessive cost it would be designed better.
I expect much better measurements from DALI £4,499.00 is alot of money.
This is the way Dali voiced them, it's not a deficiency. Just because a speaker measures flat doesn't mean it sounds good, more of the time flat sounds good with Jazz and Classical. I think for most music, people liked the scoped out mid-range. I know i do, it's more of a rock your socks off, all about personally taste.
Why $8000? That is a $2500 speaker!
Nothing about amp comparisons, source material, room size, room treatment, and of course, it's your ears. Measurements are mostly worthless. I find this video to be mostly pointless. Use your own brains, people.......
lol
Move on then.
You’re at the wrong place for all that. There are tons of other channels that give you thesaurus-borne information. Go there.
But thanks for the algorithm boost. 👍
You must be trolling
@@KofiBaffour-t8o Or just weighing in. Is that OK with you?
Not seeing any kind of value for $8k, plenty of much less expensive speakers that are better engineered and more neutral sounding...and to boot, I personally think they are aesthetically hideous.
Ugly purple woofers, and rather cheesy cabinet colors. High closs finishes suck, and nobody wants them. 👎🏼