TREMEC TKO/TKX/T56 Install, Part 9b: How to install a Hydraulic Throw Out bearing or Slave Cylinder.
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- Subscribe to watch Mike finish this TREMEC TKO installation into his 1969 Pontiac GTO Restomod, in his home garage! If he can do this at home, so can you! "TREMEC TKO or TKX or T56 Install, Part 9b: How to install a hydraulic throw out bearing aka "Slave Cylinder". can be applied to all TREMEC installs. In this episode, we need to locate and install the slave cylinder, which we frankly need to re-name to something else... like Student, or Kid. The term "slave cylinder" has got to go!
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This is a very thorough description of what to do, how to do it, and what to watch out for. Mike is at the tail end of rebuilding his Pontiac 400, which is now a Butler Performance 467, because a Roller Lifter Broke! (see link below).
This particular Tremec TKO 600 was sourced from Silver Sport Transmissions who provide "PerfectFit" kits for ALL makes and models of classic muscle cars, and trucks too! Link below.
Here's a link to Silver Sport Transmission's "PerfectFit" transmission kits. For all makes and models!
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Here's the link to the "ideal" Bellhousing Run-Out Dial Indicator, from SST.
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I’m doing mine as well but I’m having to pull my transmission to do it. I’m no mechanic and I’ve never done anything like this before. I’m a little intimidated by the job but your videos give me the confidence to try it. Man, I will tell you that your instructional videos are crazy helpful to myself and many other do it youreslfers. Thanks bro.
Thanks Matt! I really appreciate the comment. Take it slow, be safe, you'll get there... see ya!
One tip about bleeding the hydraulic clutch is this....: After you hook up the line and the master you fill the master 1/2 way with dot 4 then while under the car you slowly compress the bearing and the hydraulic clutch until you bottom out then there will still about an extra 1/2" of travel in there and thats whare it gets messy if you dont put the cap on loosely but the last 1/2" really powerblasts the air out through the master enough to where you will have to refill the reservoir to 1/2 way again and once the air is out doing this 2-3 times the fluid pressure on the hydraulic bearing stays locked back to make it like it was before adding fluid using the spring to hold the bearing out until you install the trans and push the pedal. I guarantee if you do it my way bleeding becomes a pinch me moment as the hydraulic clutch works instantly...Take care.
Thanks for leaving that detailed comment... kinda like bench bleeding. I like it! Thanks!
Your videos are so helpful. I had to loosen my bellhousing to get it to line up perfectly but it all came together with your help. Thanks
That's great! Glad I could help... and thanks for the comment!
Good vids bro. No need to get PC with the names of cylinders tho... car parts are not racist. We are all family.
Ha! Thanks Brother!
Quick question.. Where did you get the boot that goes in the clutch fork hole? did it come with the SST kit? I can't find one with the holes for the hydraulic lines instead of the fork.
Great question! Yeah that came with the SST kit. Give em a call.
Do you have a part # for this Throwout bearing?
Sorry, no. They merged with McLeod ... I know they still sell this one. Best thing to do is call SilverSport direct. They're very helpful. If Shane answers, tell him Monty said hi. Ha, ha... good luck!
Just to confirm, the McLeod clutch came with a couple extra parts. One is a bearing and the other is like a spacer. This is a throw out bearing and maybe a pilot spacer?...that is replaced with the hydraulic green accordion looking thing? "I have NO idea what I'm doing" 😊
Hey Brother... I have no idea what you're looking at. If it's about an inch in diameter, it's a new pilot bearing. Some cars use bushings, maybe they gave you both?
I don't know either but I'm going with - McLeod probably doesn't sell a clutch without a linkage type throw out bearing. Silver Sport sent me their clutch in this kit. You probably didn't see it because you reused your whatchamacallit.
@@designsinorbit Ohhh yes... mine was a Dooo Hicky. Let us know what you learn!
Thanks again, Monty. The instructions help but seeing it done is so much better. I've been working a couple hours each day on my swap...New pedals in along with the master cylinder.
I'm hoping to get the automatic out tomorrow . Your videos help people. Thanks for doing what you do.
Thanks Gregory! I'm happy to hear that... and I totally understand chipping away at the project. (Story of my life, ha, ha...) See you soon!
Great Video My friend!! Installing my hydro clutch tonight:)
Saaaweeet! Glad it helped... I'm loving every minute of use of mine. Have fun!
SST's instructions weren't all that clear on the bellhousing install with the slave cylinder/throwout bearing. This was very helpful. Thanks.
Agreed, and glad I could help! Thanks for the comment.
Awesome job man. Doing this as we speak on a 67 Shelby Restomod with a SST TKO600 w/ hydraulic clutch. This makes a lot better sense than those directions! Keep up the great work!
Great to hear David! Let me know if you have any questions... Good luck with the project!
I just bought a TKX and I was wondering if I needed to change the bearing retainer it came with to install the throw out bearing or could I use the one it came with and just put in the guide rods for the bearing ?
That's a fantastic question. I'm pretty sure there's also a pilot diameter that matches the throw out bearing. Regardless, I would ask the manufacturer of the throw out bearing you're buying to find out if it needs an anti-rotate bar, AND/OR if you can just add it to your current retainer. Let us know!
Hello, How it save knee? 2015 Mustang 2.3t come with stock Hydradulic CSC, and it is killing my knee. What effect the clutch pedal force? pressure plate spring or Clutch Master Cylinder or Slave Cylinder?
Good question... it's a little easier on my car, because I switched from a Mechanical Spring to Hyrdaulic. For your car, you need to look into a lighter Pressure Plate. Unless, there's a larger diameter master cylinder available? I do not know. Let us know what you figure out!
@@FastMonty Thank you for ur reply. I just buy a Mcleod twin disc clutch kit, dont know pressure plate spring lighter or not. I know the Mustang V6 and GT`s clutch are softer than 2.3, and 2018+ model year`s GT (which has twin disc) clutch is much softer(23lb in 5.0 vs 33.6lb in 2.3t). And all of them using different clutch master cylinder and CSC, but there is not any info online shows the cubage of each cylinder.
@@JJ-zm7kj Awesome! I have a twin disc clutch too, and love it. Have fun!
Just curious, why don't you just leave the bell housing on the trans and put the entire trans/bell housing on the motor, that way the hydraulic throwout bearing isn't bouncing around? I am putting my kit together so I'm curious if my way is wrong for some reason.
Good question, not sure what car you have... but on mine, I don't have the lateral room to move the entire bell house the length of the input shaft to get it into the clutch. (It would hit the tunnel) So, the bell has to go on first, then the transmission. Hope that helps.
@@FastMonty Ah, got it, I am assembling mine outside the car. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something.
@@lususvir Yup, that makes sense. I could not remove the trans and engine at the same time. So, lucky you. ha, ha. have fun!
How are you going the bolt down the slave cylinder on the front of the trans? This makes no sense the way you are going about this.
Well, that's because it doesn't. It's meant to "float" in between the trans and pressure plate. Hope that makes sense, let me know, if not. And, yes, this is exactly how you install this system. Works awesome. Thanks
@@FastMonty i just watched a few videos because I need to replace slave cylinder on 2000 SS and all other videos show bolting it to the front of the trans, your trans has the bolt holes but you are not using them. You would not want your throw out bearing touching the fingers of the pressure plate all the time it not made to do this much wear and tear. Even in my old big block 69 you have a spring that keeps the throw out from touching the pressure plate fingers unless your are using the clutch. Maybe you should check with silver state.
@mechardable I hear you... a 2000 SS does not have a Temec TKO/TKX does it? Point is, not all throwout bearings install the same way. In this case, the throwout bearing does NOT bolt to the transmission and DOES ride on the pressure plate fingers at ALL times. That's the way it was designed. My video is accurate because I had Silver Sport comment on it BEFORE I posted it. They use it now as their install video. So, definitely find a video that's applicable to your make and model car and transmission. Good Luck!
Is that a stock tb? Why no use a after market one? Just curious, I heart titon makes a good one but I always feel some stock stuff work good as well.... Any input? Working in 400/t56.
Hey Mike, Can you clarify what a "TB" is?
@@FastMonty throwout bearing
@@mikegomez5796 The Throwout bearing I installed is considered to be after market. I don't know of any "stock" throwout bearing that would work. Thanks,
Can not use a "slide ruler" You need to use a caliper as someone like McLeod requires .100-.250" clearance.
You referring to my straight edge and ruler trick? Sure, you can use a caliper instead of a ruler... same thing. At the time of this video, spec was 1/8" to 3/8" (.125" to .375" if you're using calipers... ha, ha..) Thanks
What parts needed to make this with work chevy 350. Clutch, pressure plate - they make fingers that don't stick out some much, flywheel. 2 peace main, What's the specs on the bearing fully close. I need to lose 0.44 spacing. To use a hydraulic bearing. 1.710 bearing closed press in on the clutch fingers.
Good questions. I highly suggest calling Silver Sport Transmissions they have the knowledge, and the parts. Have fun!
@@FastMontySilver sport kinda brush me off. When trying to get specs on parts. I have about 7 people now I found going through this as well. It's very hard trying to get this info. flywheel, clutch and disk, Using a stock type chevy bell-housing.
Sorry to hear that. BTW, have you considered using a transmission spacer? That's what I had to do. @@jagco2594
2 questions on this SST hydraulic child cylinder... 1- it just sits on that one rod, doesn't get bolted to the trans? 2- only 1 line? (self bleeding? how does that work?)
Great Questions... #1, that child "floats" on that rod, and does not need to be bolted down. #2, here's the bleeding video. th-cam.com/video/C_yFtT6Paiw/w-d-xo.html
Seems wonky to me. I have only done manual clutches. I would install the trans with the front trans housing already bolted together and the throw out cylinder and bearing already installed over the input shaft.. The input shaft will keep everything in place .
What's Wonky? FYI, some cars you can not install the trans attached to the bell. (Like mine) Thanks for the comment.
@@FastMonty Strange, what car can't you attach the Transmission and Bellhousing as one unit?
My 3208 Cat 636 Cubic inches 1,500 pounds uses a number 2 Bell Housing with a Free hanging 10 speed Eaton Transmission that weights 477 # It uses a 14" dual disk pull type clutch .. The 1968 6 wheel drive Truck had a 501 Cubic inch gas engine and a 5 speed fuller ahead of a 3 speed transfer case that weight 1,005 pounds.
The Transmission hangs over the front drive axle so I pulled the engine and trans as one unit.. had to take off the hood take out the radiator ect to get it out. because all of the bell housing bolts came loose.
Maybe because of excess vibrations in the crank shaft pto running off from the front of the engine. The Cat has an Aluminum bell housing. the housing transmission is Cast Iron. Thus I can't get a transmission jack under the transmission .
@@FastMonty Oh Pontic GTO .. I would think that all GM cars are the same. First Gen small and big block chevy have the same bolt pattern as my 4 cylinder Chevy Chevette had and the same bolt patter that bolts to a Number # cast Iron bell housing that I bolt a 13 Speed Eaton that has a 12" dual disc clutch .
@@mikeskidmore6754 Good stuff Mike... that's a monster transmission. lol. To answer your question, my car. It is physically impossible to install the transmission into the car, with the bell housing attached. You have to get it over the pressure plate, which means the bell housing is 4" rearward, which hits the transmission tunnel. Ask me how I know. :) Thanks!
@@FastMonty Seems I always put a block of wood under the oil pan or the back of the engine .. Remove your transmission cross member.. You can drop the back of the engine down a lot .
The RT-613 Eaton is called a Baby 13 speed for medium duty trucks.
The Heavy Tranmission Like a 13 speed or 18 speed are rated for 1,800 or 2,000# of torque.. the first number 6 is for 600 ft #
RT for Derect Drive RTO for Over drive..
My 13 speed is actually a five speed transmision with two reduction systems added .. they don't call it a 15 speed because two gears in low range overlap
Any issues since the install?? I just ordered the hydraulic kit
None. I love it... just make sure you tighten that Acorn nut down on the hydraulic line during install. Have fun!
@@FastMonty thanks for the timely response and all the guidance from your vids
@@DriveBreakFixRepeat70 Yup! No worries!
Why would you not leave the bell housing attached to the trans? Seems kinda backwards. Not saying your wrong. Just curious
At what point? Measuring the throw out bearing? Or, installing it to the engine? If you're referring to installing it on the engine, you don't have enough room inside the tunnel, to have a direct shot at inserting the input shaft through the clutch, and into the pilot bearing. It's about 8" of throw, where the tunnel might allow you to move it 1". It's impossible. :)
@@FastMonty perfect explanation. Starting this one install tonight on a 67 Firebird. Great videos! I’m lucky and the engine and trans can be stabbed at one time.
@@timmay0330 Ohhh, nice! I'm jealous. Can't wait to hear how it goes!
I just did this today and have 1/16 difference my bellhousing was 2 and 7/16 and the hydraulic throw out bearing was 2 and 3/8.
Sounds like you might need a spacer. I'd contact SIlverSport to see what options you have. Most likely, you'll need a transmission spacer, to pull it off the Bell housing. Let me know how it goes!
I called SST and they sent me a .25 spacer plate no charge since I bought the complete perfect fit system. I just finished installing the transmission today. Now off to measure for the drive shaft. I have the TKX and other than cutting the opening for the shift hump I had no other tunnel mods required on my 66 Malibu! Thanks for all the awesome content!
@@richardrosa4826 Awesome Richard! SST is fantastic like that... which is why I always say I love their Customer Service. Thanks for sharing your build specs, and that the TKX was a breeze for your Malibu. Keep up the great work!
Do I need a hydraulic throw out bearing in a tkx 5 speed
Good question. No. It's optional.
Hey bro, What’s the part number of the slave ( concentric) cilinder or where can I find it.?? I need this part. (exactly like this one). Thank you.
Good question Mario... You'll have to call Silver Sport Transmissions. All I can find is the link to the full kit; shiftsst.com/blog/post/hydraulics-kit.html Good luck, and thanks for the comment!
Great video. I have a ? I just ordered a TKX 6 speed. How much trouble is it to change over to a hydraulic throw out and what are the benefits over a manual one?
Thanks Chad! It's easy, just watch my video series on the hydraulic clutch install. It's easier to push than a manual clutch, and automatically adjusts as the clutch wears. Good luck, and dont be afraid to ask questions! Welcome to the channel. (Ohhh, I'm getting a TKX too :))
Also gives you a ton of room for headers.
Will this reduce pressure for a performance clutch?
You mean pedal force versus Mechanical? Yes. :) Good question, thanks.
@@FastMonty is it less force on clutch pedal compared to a regular slave cylinder? Idea is to save my knees using a performance clutch. Thanks
@@kutlee2009 Good question... I don't know how it would compare to another slave cylinder. I went from Manual to Hydraulic, which is easier on my knee.
What do i do if it to tight with no spacers yet?
Great point, Thordan. I probably didn't mention that. For those curious, if you didn't have enough space when the throw out bearing is fully collapsed, you need to add a spacer between the transmission and bell housing. Reason is you'll need around .200" of play to accommodate for disc wear, because the fingers on the pressure plate start to extend, closer to the throw out bearing. If you don't have enough space, the pressure plate will not fully apply pressure on the disc, and you'll start prematurely slipping. So, contact Silver Sport Transmissions (www.shiftsst.com) and ask for a transmission spacer for your vehicle. They're typically .250" thickness, and around $60. Hope that helps! And, thanks for the comment!
@@FastMonty thanks
@@FastMonty I went on the that site..I couldnt find any spacers in there search engine
@@DanneyTanner Yeah, send them an email. I know they have them.
4112 Jenkins Ridges
Huh?
Don't go PC bro it's Master and Slave
Ha! Yup, bad joke.
@@FastMontyif you mention that your car is a they them, it’s over
@@autodynamics01 Ha! She's fine.
The relationship you were looking for is Citizen/government....this is tge Citizen cylinder.
Ha! That's a good one. Thanks!
You lost me at "political Correctness"....
Some jokes work, some do not... thanks.
Its Always Sunny in Philadelphia..
Especially when there are no clouds.
This is the second time you have mentioned something about political correctness, Beyond dumb. Don’t pander. Besides that you video was informative
Too soon? Bahahahahaaa... yeah, bad joke. Thanks though.
What no shims
Nope. I could've added a shim in between the transmission and the bell, to get us more room for clutch wear. Borderline call. Thanks!
Layoff the Political correct talk man. I came here for cars so I can escape the BS on tv.
Just tryin to be funny... too soon, eh? See ya!
Really?...parent, kid...are you for real?...
What? Too soon? Ha, hahaaa
Fast monty goes woke. Not everything is racist
Ha! Yup, bad joke.
@@FastMonty i hope so