Reminds me of... Some recent game? Monster Hunter World? or something? Game; We'll use this well known "Denuvo" anti-piracy for our game, it's so powerful it even lags the game! That must mean it's good, right?! Hackers: (Crack the game.... BEFORE IT EVEN COMES OUT, because someone got ahold of a review copy and went "Wait, Denuvo? oh, HAH", Presses practically 2 buttons to crack it, removes it, AND makes the game run faster.)
I got my DS when I was 5 years old, and because we bought it used from a boy in his late teens he gave me a card which had about 60 DS games pirated on it. I'm honestly forever thankful to him, if it weren't for him I would have missed so many classics and both my childhood and current life would be completely different
I was one of those older dudes who sold a few of my DS's for low prices locally. Sent older flashcarts/smaller sd cards with them. I even sent one with a cyclods and an ezflash 3 in 1.
@@creampop8553 There's a reason consoles stopped calling themselves unhackable. You don't see the PS4, with it's BSD+Webkit lookin' ass claiming it's unhackable. You don't see the Xbox, with it's "everyone can use developer mode" lookin' ass claiming it's unhackable. The Switch tried really hard, and got so very far -- there are no 100% software-based exploits. Even exploits that look software-based, like Deja Vu, have hardware-vulnerability components (bootrom doesn't initialize vectors, DMA controllers are not locked when going into deep sleep mode, etc.) It's Nvidia's fault, and the newer line of Switches, (with better battery life, or the Switch Lite,) will never be hackable to the same degree as the swiss-cheese launch model. The Horizon team did a great job securing the Secure Monitor, the kernel, and their sysmodules, and they've still gotta deal with people reverse-engineering and re-implementing their OS.
@@valshaped Even Switch models that are patched can still be hacked by other means like PegaSwitch. I don't know about XboxOne but the PS4 is hackable but only old firmware.
I remember back in middle school around 05-06 I was taking a computer class, they asked us what www. Stood for and someone yelling out wicked wild web.
I didn't know what R4 cards were as a kid, but when I saw my classmate playing platinum, then switching to megaman without swapping carts, I thought he could mod my copy of platinum. Lost my Rayquaza that day
I remember when I got a DS lite all the way back in early 2010, at a flea shop here in Brazil. The guy who sold it to me said something like "You can actually download free games from the internet on this portable! It's amazing!", I didn't even know the R4 wasn't official then, lol.
@@mweeee yea. Except I had vba on a flash drive my sister's best friend gave me. Had no idea, lol. That was the first time I ever got to play pokemon yellow.
Its always hard to talk about "lost sales" when talking about pirated games... a lot of people pirate games that they aren't going to buy anyways. People that only played those games precisely because piracy was an option
@@PaulonTheBrave i don't know what you expect, it seems pretty clear to me. Both nintendo and their video are basing their arguments in "missed sales" but thats a pretty flimsy argument, specially if nintendo expects a compensation similar in quantity to those "missed sales"
@@PaulonTheBrave no to both questions. I'm not buying right now snk heroines... That would be a lost sale based on your argument. I'm not saying that piracy is ok, thats you going in a big tangent. I'm just saying that there is no way you can say that if some one pirated a game, that means they were willing to pay for it. Contrary to popular belief... Most people that want to pay for a game usually pay for it, while people that don't want to pay for the games... Don't do it. Yes of course there is a middle ground where people would buy the games, but choose the more practical way of doing it with piracy. But its impossible to tell how big this group of people is. In truth there is a lot of people that bought a DS just because they knew about the R4 and how easy it was, but wouldn't bother with the console otherwise. The same for a lot of psp owners.
Nintendo still "tries" to squash modding as hard as they can, 9 times out of 10 if an update says "Improves System Stability" it's code for "tried to patch out a Modder exploit"
@@Michael18751 You can install the DSi version onto the 3DS using a .CIA file... But it's really finicky for some reason. For me it took quite a while to find an install that actually worked.
I was thinking the same. It's incredibly presumptuous to claim that a pirated copy of a game is automatically a lost sale because that individual would 100% have bought the game if the pirated copy was not available.
A very small amount probably would have bought it but yeah. Most wouldn't. At least half of those downloads were probably from kids who couldn't afford the game, the rest was probably from people who could afford it but most wouldn't actually pay full price for it. A very small amount was probably from people who would have still bought it but didn't want to since they could get it for free.
Yes, for real. I remember the days of “go to reddit” when someone needed help with something beyond average capabilities. If someone tries to make something “illegal” it’s just gonna make it even more of a thing. You’d think people would have figured that out by now... lol
I love how Nintendo looks at piracy and considers it "lost sales" Id argue those many of those people wouldnt have purchased them at full price regardless.
@@arnowisp6244 The overwhelming majority of piracy is done by people who likely would not be able to afford most games any ways or if a game is banned in their country piracy is very logical. I know that I pirated about 80% of my games back in my teens because I didn't have a job or allowance, so I didn't really have a chose in the matter other than being able to play far fewer games.
They consider it "Lost Sales" because courts will believe it. It gives them a bigger damage number, which makes them look more like a victim. I wonder how many pokemon games were pirated by people who already owned one game in the generation, but (I think reasonably) didn't want to pay for 2 other copies of basically the same game at full price.
@@RegalPixelKing overwhelming majority is vastly exaggerated, most ppl could afford at least one specific game. Im pretty sure had the r4 flashcarts cost the same as a normal game, ppl would prob still buy them (like myself).
Hacking yeah may have some bad sports but bringing back online features when Nintendo shut them down and have fans dedicated for it is a miracle I respect on them
Honestly them removing online for the wii/ds completely ruins some games such as mkwii, however without users having to recreate online I doubt it would have as big a player base as it does now
@@Bruh-vr4ew running the servers costs money. Do you really think Nintendo will indefinitely run 5+ online servers at once? Eventually it would dig into their budgets and games will start taking a dip in quality due to budget cuts. Enjoy the online officially while people analyze it, and then when they inevitably shut down, just use the fanmade servers.
I know a lot of Pirates who would Pirate less if, I dunno, every game in the world had a demo, but that's not the world we live in. Heck, I admit whole-heartedly to Pirating Megaman Legends 1/2. Because (at the time) Those games we're obtainable without first spending 120~ that the devs are never gonna see, same for Suikoden 1 and 2 (Which to this date STILL are impossible to find!)
@UC9gPKLfMWbua74ZKG0_Lw2w Suikoden Tierkreis The Legendary Starfy 999 9 Hours 9 Persons 9 Doors Retro Game Challenge Ghost Trick Rocket Slime Magical Starsign Solatorobo Advance Wars Dual Strike Advance Wars Dark Conflict Final Fantasy Tactics A2 Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles Ring of Fates Final Fantasy Chronicles Echoes of Time Final Fantasy Fables Chocobo Tales Final Fantasy Heroes of Light Zelda Phantom Hourglass Zelda Spirit Tracks New Super Mario Bros Yoshis Island DS The Professor Layton Games The Kirby Games (- Superstar Ultra) The Castlevania Games The Pokemon Games (- Heartgold/Soulsilver) Just to name a few Games that where (as far as i know) not a Remake or where Ported to the 3DS
that inofficial comeback of the ds wifi was great. i could finally trade pokémon with people from different countries! :D (didn't had internet back in the days)
Wait so how do you connect to the public servers? Do you need any old ds and just change the dns settings for any router? Or is there something else I need as well? 👀
@@GS_Ant for gen 4 pokemon, you have to use a wifi hotspot on your phone, and set the DNS settings in the game, and have your hotspot with no password. I use it in hg/ss and platinum.
Owned 6 R4 Golds that can hack the 3ds that I gifted to my kids as I won them in giveaways from our site Games-Engine.com , one AceKard I for DS and Dsi, one clone R4 and M3 DSReal my first card along with the DS Browser and RAM cart.
Wi11iamson some kid in high school gave me his r4 for my copy of kirby air ride I ended up getting a free copy of air ride from a garage sale and still use the r4 to this day, it was how I first played jump ultimate stars
@FinalNinja I just wanna know how they went bankrupt, the games sold well (even though the remakes weren't the best decisions) with Nintendos backing it doesn't make sense that this happened
Of course, is Pokémon the most pirated. Even if you buy it you would have to buy the game a second or even third time to have the full experience with all variations!
I've bought every version of every pokemon game. Mostly from thrift shops and the like, although ive gotten a couple from gamestop, as I've been trying to collect them all.
Say what you will about piracy but my old R4 introduced me to many franchises that would become favorites of mine. I'm sure losing a sale of Devil Survivor is made up for by the many Atlus titles i've bought since then.
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Omg, some Starforce footage, finally someone remember this series.
"costing Nintendo $269M in lost sales." No. It didn't. Only a percentage of pirate downloaders would have wanted to purchase it legitimately, lowering that number. Factor bot downloads on top of that, and you've got a much lower number.
People often download pirate games that they can't afford like me, or sometimes they download it to try the game and some people actually buy the games when they like it a lot instead of keeping the pirated one; or people just download them because they aren't available in their country (like here in Chile for example, we barely get games)
Devil Survivor 2 also had a cool anti-piracy thing in it. If you're playing a hacked copy, an important mid-battle event will never happen, so you'll literally be stuck forever fighting an invincible boss battle.
I'm no mind reader so I can't say if it was written that way intentionally or not, but you cannot say with certainty that a pirated copy is a lost sale, and to report as such is an inaccuracy. Several reports have debunked this theory, often leading to the conclusion that video game piracy may in fact help sales rather than hinder them, and it is much more accurate to say that playing a pirated copy of a video game is an attempt to assess the game and is no more or less destructive to sales than the act of playing a demo version of said game. Signed, a video game developer with credit on a small handful of critically acclaimed titles.
Lol I love how they compare an "illegal" download to an actual sale, like all the people that downloaded the game would actually buy it if it wasn't available online, I think most of the downloads are for people using emulators and such, people that maybe never even had a DS or would ever buy one.
I was able to play Ace Attorney Investigations: Miles Edgeworth 2 with game patches. The game is Japan only, and the patch translates everything in game to English. They even keep spirit of the characters through translation. One of the best fan translations I have the pleasure to play through. Would recommend. They just need to localize the other ace attorney games.
I think game piracy should be legal only for the cases when you can’t buy a brand new console or a brand new game officially. Cases like, if a company like Sony can’t make money anymore of Playstation 2 or Nintendo can’t make money of old Nintendo consoles. Both aren’t winning if someone is selling a second hand game/console or when someone wants to buy a game but can’t find anywhere. They aren’t losing any sales if the game or console isn’t being sold or produced.
I still remember my flashcard, it was thanks to it that I knew of the Ace Attorney series, I'd have probably never bought one on my own, but now I have the entire series comfortably and legally sitting on my 3DS. Well, except for Edgeworth Investigations...
"majicon" is not a brand of flashcards, but instead the term we use here in Japan to refer to a flashcard, so when the majicon where outlawed, it basically prohibited the sale of any flashcard (like an everdrive)
Rabbids Go Home as AP that cannot be beaten on emulators! Also the BGM continues to remind us on Alphadream's bankruptcy. RIP to them, they made such great M&L entries. My NDS got bricked from my R4 and I got a DSI to replace it, and I bought ALL DS games legally.
@@Pellbort I mean, lost sales to piracy could potentially be a thing, if there were some barrier to buying games in the first place. Back in the DS era, they were physical carts -- nowadays, the only barrier to buying a game is money. Counting piracy as a lost sale is preposterous.
@@Pellbort that's a good point. I played lots of pirated games on a modded ps1. I didn't even know about it back then. But, if there was no pirating the only difference would be I would play no games at all, since my family would not be able to buy games. They'd have to choose between paying for games or my school, so Sony didn't lose any money, because there would be no money anyway. These number only serve these companies so they can make judicial claims. It's still preposterous though.
I own an R4 I got a few years ago. The reason I got was to cheat in the Events islands for Pokemon Emerald. I even bought a copy of Japanese Emerald to get a legit as possible Mew (I also shiny hunted Mew). I haven't used the R4 for anything beyond that.
Nintendo, to this day, barely has a grasp of the internet, cyber security, and operating systems design. They are very good at making games. But not much else.
Well they don't need to really care about anything outside of their games because you aren't supposed to hack their stuff. Online interactions involving children on the other hand...
Actually, with the Switch Nintendo stepped up a bit with their security. Only Nvidia screwed up, but other than that, Horizon is relatively secure. SciresM said, that he would be really suprised, if they actually get CFW running on the Switch lite
I still have an R4 card. Bought it over a decade ago in Thailand, had that specific one stolen, then got another while I lived in Hong Kong. Back then, I yar-har'd games since NTSC cards were hard to find. Now, however, I only play backups and romhacks.
A friend of mine heard about R4s online in high school. This friend has some good memories playing hacked translated versions of Pokemon HeartGold and SoulSilver before they ever came to America officially, as well as Pokemon Black and White, Scribblenauts, and Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks. My friend still has his R4 to this day.
Imagine danganronpa on the dsi, and when it detects a piracy, it cuts to monokuma pressing the punishment button, however with no music, and staring at the screen GAME AND SAVE DATA OVER PIRACY HAS BEEN FOUND GUILTY TIME TO ERASE DATA The game then cuts to this basically silent screen, with Junko staring at you, only thing other than her is text saying "You need to pay."
My best experience with DS homebrew was connecting to the DS’s “discontented” WFC being able to get event Pokémon and Items from Generation 4 & 5 without any modification or outside programs. I was finally able to play the liberty Pass event in Black and White Amun’s other things.
Honestly, that whole bit of them going after flash cards feels like serious overreaching on their part. Also, wouldn't be surprised if they would one day go out of their way to kill the home-brew scene.
Based on the excuses gamers make over hacking, I'd almost rather leave an alchoholic alone and trust he won't steal my beer, than I would trust any gamer not to copy all my games.
Heh, I remember my uncle asking me which card he could use for my niece's DS so they could download some games because the DS was expensive enough "because you do something with games right?" Yes uncle. I develop DS games, I get paid to do that, I pay my mortgage and groceries with that money. FFS The DS was a lot of fun to work with as a developer. Lots of fond memories. But piracy was one of the reasons we stopped/had to stop developing for that platform.
referral madness I worked for Dutch indie developer Two Tribes B.V. from 2005 till 2010. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Tribes_(company) The most well known game I worked on is probably Worm: Open Warfare 2 for DS (the PSP version was done by Team 17 themselves).
I hate pirates and how they will come up with a dozen reasons the have a right to play a video game. Games are a priveledge not a right. I feel bad for you, sorry gamers are such ignorant and selfish jerks.
I like that this video also gave attention to all the positive possible uses of hacking and homebrewing, that the masses just ignore and only focus on the (of course truly unacceptable) piracy aspect.
Man, my first homebrew app was on the DS. It was just an attempt to remake Minecraft Creative, but it was a blast to work on, even if I never finished it.
“Nintendo took precautions to make the Nintendo DSi unhackable.”
French Narrator: “Three Days Later. . .”
Nintendo: "Our new DSi is unhackable"
Hacker: "I'm about to end this man's career"
3 jours plus tard...
3 jours plus tard, en France
« Je vais ruiner toute la carrière de cet homme ! »
Reminds me of... Some recent game? Monster Hunter World? or something?
Game; We'll use this well known "Denuvo" anti-piracy for our game, it's so powerful it even lags the game! That must mean it's good, right?!
Hackers: (Crack the game.... BEFORE IT EVEN COMES OUT, because someone got ahold of a review copy and went "Wait, Denuvo? oh, HAH", Presses practically 2 buttons to crack it, removes it, AND makes the game run faster.)
3:06 lol france wins. Woot indie development on flash. 4:00 war of the updates lol
Imagine getting a virus trying to download I Carly the Game for the Nintendo DS system.
PJ Duffles best way to go out
Jack Marchese What kind of crappy game did you download?
Or trying to download Corey in the House
Schneider.exe
Hey the virus knows the kind of games I like >,>
It's amazing what people can do with the DS, making custom games and bringing Wi-Fi back online. It's incredible.
Woah wha? How do you get the wifi online again???
@@liammckinney5218 it's pretty easy and it FUCKINFG WORKS just look up a tourtorial
Too bad you need a WEP connection
the guy who made custom camera hardware blew me the fuck away.
@@pokejoseph or you could use you're 4G bak
"Stability update" is console developer speak for "removed a hacking method"
I got my DS when I was 5 years old, and because we bought it used from a boy in his late teens he gave me a card which had about 60 DS games pirated on it. I'm honestly forever thankful to him, if it weren't for him I would have missed so many classics and both my childhood and current life would be completely different
I was one of those older dudes who sold a few of my DS's for low prices locally. Sent older flashcarts/smaller sd cards with them. I even sent one with a cyclods and an ezflash 3 in 1.
I hope you both are doing great nowadays, this kinda gave me chills
Dear console developers,
The word *_"Unhackable"_*
Means *_"Try will all your heart to hack me please here I'll give you incentive!"_*
This extends beyond game developers.
There is nothing that can't be hacked when it comes to game consoles.
Any console calling itself unhackable should look to the Titanic whenever they say that.
@@creampop8553 There's a reason consoles stopped calling themselves unhackable. You don't see the PS4, with it's BSD+Webkit lookin' ass claiming it's unhackable. You don't see the Xbox, with it's "everyone can use developer mode" lookin' ass claiming it's unhackable.
The Switch tried really hard, and got so very far -- there are no 100% software-based exploits. Even exploits that look software-based, like Deja Vu, have hardware-vulnerability components (bootrom doesn't initialize vectors, DMA controllers are not locked when going into deep sleep mode, etc.) It's Nvidia's fault, and the newer line of Switches, (with better battery life, or the Switch Lite,) will never be hackable to the same degree as the swiss-cheese launch model.
The Horizon team did a great job securing the Secure Monitor, the kernel, and their sysmodules, and they've still gotta deal with people reverse-engineering and re-implementing their OS.
@@valshaped Even Switch models that are patched can still be hacked by other means like PegaSwitch.
I don't know about XboxOne but the PS4 is hackable but only old firmware.
Ahh yes, the good ol’ Wild West days of the internet.
Those were the good days :*)
@kiley davis Back when the internet wasn't a bad place to be in. Even TH-cam was a really good place to visit.
I remember back in middle school around 05-06 I was taking a computer class, they asked us what www. Stood for and someone yelling out wicked wild web.
Many movies and TV shows were unofficially uploaded to TH-cam back then too, it was nice.
Back when youtube and facebook wasn’t cluttered with corporate ads.
Imagine being in a Japanese underground DS piracy ring.
To be honest that's the dream
I love how anti piracy measures were removed from the roms and made them playable for pirates within hours/days after release.
Yep things will always execute at a cpu level. And that can ALWAYS be exploited. Get decent with a degugger and you can crack basically anything.
I didn't know what R4 cards were as a kid, but when I saw my classmate playing platinum, then switching to megaman without swapping carts, I thought he could mod my copy of platinum. Lost my Rayquaza that day
Everytime nintendo releases a console
Hackers:"here we go again"
Nintendo also:"here we go again"
You forgot to say "ah shit"
You forgot to say “ah shit”
nintendos trackrecord is utter garbage tho lul
Almost every nintendo console to date have been hacked in less than a few years after release.
@@SuperJosteen not only that but they also mostly supported pirated online play which is kinda unheard of on such a scale
Netflix - ❌
Nintendo DS Moonshell homebrew app - ✅
.dpg you can watch videos
Kimcartoon on the go.
What is your pfp? She looks familiar for some reason.
I remember when I got a DS lite all the way back in early 2010, at a flea shop here in Brazil.
The guy who sold it to me said something like "You can actually download free games from the internet on this portable! It's amazing!",
I didn't even know the R4 wasn't official then, lol.
My uncle gave me a r4 flashcard when I was younger. I had alot of fun and I hadnt known it was pirated lol
Yeah, I think this happened to a lot of us
@@mweeee yea. Except I had vba on a flash drive my sister's best friend gave me. Had no idea, lol. That was the first time I ever got to play pokemon yellow.
Same. I still own it
Me too i always got one from my dad when he came back from China. In total I had like 3/4
Did it have commersial games on it?
If not, it was not pirated. That term specifically refers to "Illegally copying a digital work"
The glory days.... I miss the DS/Wii era
3DS is still going pretty strong. Winding down of course, but there is still plenty to do with it.
I miss the GameCube era
I miss the Gameboy/N64 era
I miss hide and seek era
@@Detective_L That's the era I grew up with.
That Mario and Luigi music. My heart.
Bill Johns name pls
@@Batuhan-gv3me The Battle Theme from Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time.
rip alphadream
Ane the dragon Quest music
The Dragon Quest 9 music was what did it for me.
Its always hard to talk about "lost sales" when talking about pirated games... a lot of people pirate games that they aren't going to buy anyways. People that only played those games precisely because piracy was an option
And?
@@PaulonTheBrave i don't know what you expect, it seems pretty clear to me. Both nintendo and their video are basing their arguments in "missed sales" but thats a pretty flimsy argument, specially if nintendo expects a compensation similar in quantity to those "missed sales"
@@diegog1853 so people not paying for games isn't lost sells?
@@diegog1853 but i guess you must be one of those people who think piracy is allways justified
@@PaulonTheBrave no to both questions.
I'm not buying right now snk heroines... That would be a lost sale based on your argument.
I'm not saying that piracy is ok, thats you going in a big tangent. I'm just saying that there is no way you can say that if some one pirated a game, that means they were willing to pay for it.
Contrary to popular belief... Most people that want to pay for a game usually pay for it, while people that don't want to pay for the games... Don't do it.
Yes of course there is a middle ground where people would buy the games, but choose the more practical way of doing it with piracy. But its impossible to tell how big this group of people is.
In truth there is a lot of people that bought a DS just because they knew about the R4 and how easy it was, but wouldn't bother with the console otherwise. The same for a lot of psp owners.
Nintendo still "tries" to squash modding as hard as they can, 9 times out of 10 if an update says "Improves System Stability" it's code for "tried to patch out a Modder exploit"
Nintendo: talks precautions to make the Nintendo DSi unhackable
Hackers: three days later
Granted old r4 hardware does kinda stop working so they had to update those either hardware or ive yet to know software
Stolen
stolen comment stoopid
>Talks about DS rom hacks
>Bring up NSMBDS
>Doesn't bring up Newer DS which is probably the highest quality rom hack out there
And brings up SKJmin oof
@@DieGo367 lmao I tried downloading a SKJMin rom hack two days ago, his website isnt even registered anymore, its a domain for sale
>uses greentext on youtube
@@stedmangg eh it just makes it look nice without looking too bitchy, ya know?
@@stedmangg this format existed before 4chan, zoomer
Nintendo: ok so we made a patch for hackers so that they don-
Hackers: haha yeah
Nintendo: what
Hackers: what
Hackers: _Your Next Line will be "Our DSi is completely unhackable"_
Nintendo: _"Our DSi is completely unhacka.. Wait what?"_
Alpha Jay 3.0 Nintendo: Nangato?
Nonono, hackers actually gave up on the second gen and the light version of the switch so far
Mr joestar
@Dick Butt oh shit legit?
DSi is like the easiest thing to Homebrew, lol (on the user side anyways)
You can't just tease me with Mario Kart DS music, and then proceed to change the song for the rest of the video
I mean, you can, but that's cruel
Eh, partners in time has good music too.
Partners in Time deserves some love. Especially after what happened to Alphadream....
Lucas it was my first game, and it was my favorite game, May it someday get a remake
Yeah, Mario Kart, that's the cruel part here.
Pictochat was everything.....
Is there an unofficial version for 3ds?
@@Michael18751 You can install the DSi version onto the 3DS using a .CIA file... But it's really finicky for some reason.
For me it took quite a while to find an install that actually worked.
It was lit when everyone on the bus had a ds we drew so many penises on there 😂
Its not like you cant do it with a smartphone now, but the novelty is not there anymore or everyone have simply outgrown that.
@@Porygonal64 I got it off a QR code LMAO 👌
assuming every pirated download is a "lost sale" to estimate money lost is utopian at best.
I was thinking the same. It's incredibly presumptuous to claim that a pirated copy of a game is automatically a lost sale because that individual would 100% have bought the game if the pirated copy was not available.
@@Kymus tbh, I used to pirate games but now that I can't do it anymore I don't buy them
A very small amount probably would have bought it but yeah. Most wouldn't. At least half of those downloads were probably from kids who couldn't afford the game, the rest was probably from people who could afford it but most wouldn't actually pay full price for it. A very small amount was probably from people who would have still bought it but didn't want to since they could get it for free.
I was thinking the same thing.
Yeah, look how many millions of Digimon World 3 roms were downloaded and how many were sold.
This just proves a dedicated fan base can literally do anything
Yes, for real. I remember the days of “go to reddit” when someone needed help with something beyond average capabilities. If someone tries to make something “illegal” it’s just gonna make it even more of a thing. You’d think people would have figured that out by now... lol
Seeing footage of Megaman Starforce 3 makes me really happy. That game gives me so much nostalgia and is one of my most favorite DS games.
i was about to comment the same thing
Really hope more Starforce games come out with this new wave of megaman
@@clouds2589 same
Btw is Megaman Starforce good? Been trying to get into it and also how many of em exists?
@@LolliPopGirlMeow 3 of them. SF 1 and 3 are good in their own ways. 2, however, not so much
I love how Nintendo looks at piracy and considers it "lost sales" Id argue those many of those people wouldnt have purchased them at full price regardless.
There is no way of knowing. Some could have bought the game but didnt want to spend others probably had no way of buying.
@@arnowisp6244 The overwhelming majority of piracy is done by people who likely would not be able to afford most games any ways or if a game is banned in their country piracy is very logical. I know that I pirated about 80% of my games back in my teens because I didn't have a job or allowance, so I didn't really have a chose in the matter other than being able to play far fewer games.
Some people live in places where piracy is commonplace because everything official is imported and sold at extremely unreasonable prices.
They consider it "Lost Sales" because courts will believe it. It gives them a bigger damage number, which makes them look more like a victim.
I wonder how many pokemon games were pirated by people who already owned one game in the generation, but (I think reasonably) didn't want to pay for 2 other copies of basically the same game at full price.
@@RegalPixelKing overwhelming majority is vastly exaggerated, most ppl could afford at least one specific game. Im pretty sure had the r4 flashcarts cost the same as a normal game, ppl would prob still buy them (like myself).
the hacking convention was in nevada...
does that mean ds hackers are what has been hiding behind area 51 for all this time?
Ward Zahran, Las Vegas is in Nevada...
@Ward Zahran dunce
*MAVELS ENDGAME SONG: "PORTALS" STARTS PLAYING REALLY LOUDLY*
Hacking yeah may have some bad sports but bringing back online features when Nintendo shut them down and have fans dedicated for it is a miracle I respect on them
Honestly them removing online for the wii/ds completely ruins some games such as mkwii, however without users having to recreate online I doubt it would have as big a player base as it does now
@@Bruh-vr4ew running the servers costs money. Do you really think Nintendo will indefinitely run 5+ online servers at once? Eventually it would dig into their budgets and games will start taking a dip in quality due to budget cuts. Enjoy the online officially while people analyze it, and then when they inevitably shut down, just use the fanmade servers.
"...stop piracy"
*stares at softmodded 3DS*
No matter how many times I hear it, it's a joke that never gets old.
theblackwingedsoul Even the Switch already is cracked opens and XCIs and NSPs aren't hard to find.
@@Breeze926 I hacked my switch but piracy is just goofy
@@krxxc.kk6 My point is how easy it is for a company trying to "stop piracy"
@@Breeze926 facts, Nintendo should probably do something about Switch Bounty, which is a really big piracy site.
I know a lot of Pirates who would Pirate less if, I dunno, every game in the world had a demo, but that's not the world we live in.
Heck, I admit whole-heartedly to Pirating Megaman Legends 1/2. Because (at the time) Those games we're obtainable without first spending 120~ that the devs are never gonna see, same for Suikoden 1 and 2 (Which to this date STILL are impossible to find!)
The Nintendo DS is such an awesome Handheld. Always good to see someone remembering that this thing exist
the idea was cool, but I hate that the name killed the Gameboy brand. Also the system itself was ugly af
@UC9gPKLfMWbua74ZKG0_Lw2w
Suikoden Tierkreis
The Legendary Starfy
999 9 Hours 9 Persons 9 Doors
Retro Game Challenge
Ghost Trick
Rocket Slime
Magical Starsign
Solatorobo
Advance Wars Dual Strike
Advance Wars Dark Conflict
Final Fantasy Tactics A2
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles Ring of Fates
Final Fantasy Chronicles Echoes of Time
Final Fantasy Fables Chocobo Tales
Final Fantasy Heroes of Light
Zelda Phantom Hourglass
Zelda Spirit Tracks
New Super Mario Bros
Yoshis Island DS
The Professor Layton Games
The Kirby Games (- Superstar Ultra)
The Castlevania Games
The Pokemon Games (- Heartgold/Soulsilver)
Just to name a few Games that where (as far as i know) not a Remake or where Ported to the 3DS
@@SpaceLordLono especially the original model
@@SpaceLordLono ExCuSE mE ThiS dS iS BoOtiFUL
that inofficial comeback of the ds wifi was great. i could finally trade pokémon with people from different countries! :D (didn't had internet back in the days)
Wait so how do you connect to the public servers? Do you need any old ds and just change the dns settings for any router? Or is there something else I need as well? 👀
@@GS_Ant look up professor chime's video about it. If you want me to, I'll link the vid.
@@GS_Ant th-cam.com/video/6fjuA38biGY/w-d-xo.html Here's the video.
@@GS_Ant for gen 4 pokemon, you have to use a wifi hotspot on your phone, and set the DNS settings in the game, and have your hotspot with no password. I use it in hg/ss and platinum.
Plus you can get event pokemons too!
Who else owned an R4 for their DS?
Wi11iamson damn straight!
Nice try Nintendo
Owned 6 R4 Golds that can hack the 3ds that I gifted to my kids as I won them in giveaways from our site Games-Engine.com , one AceKard I for DS and Dsi, one clone R4 and M3 DSReal my first card along with the DS Browser and RAM cart.
Wi11iamson some kid in high school gave me his r4 for my copy of kirby air ride
I ended up getting a free copy of air ride from a garage sale and still use the r4 to this day, it was how I first played jump ultimate stars
dstwo
You just had to play that Mario and Luigi music didn't you?
@There's a starman waiting in the sky Rest in peace Alpha Dream ;-;
BTW that company that made those games are almost in bankruptcy
Michael18751 That’s the reason OP made this comment...
@FinalNinja I just wanna know how they went bankrupt, the games sold well (even though the remakes weren't the best decisions) with Nintendos backing it doesn't make sense that this happened
Is your profile pic speedwagon?
The Wii / DS hacking scene was always an amazing sight to see when i was younger. Never able to do it though
If you can, PLEASE make a part 2. This video is seriously good!
*Piracy is no party*
Yup
*It's a serious crime to pirate games*
Of course, is Pokémon the most pirated. Even if you buy it you would have to buy the game a second or even third time to have the full experience with all variations!
I've bought every version of every pokemon game. Mostly from thrift shops and the like, although ive gotten a couple from gamestop, as I've been trying to collect them all.
Even then you can’t catch all the Pokémon
@@ReshiLuna I just have them all on r4 lmao
0:37 It's a us!
EDIT: And again at 7:03, 9:25 and 10:00
Also, check out the MKDS Online Discord to find races any time! invite.gg/MKDS
Rules:
-Piracy is no party, so don't try calling it that
-Never serve criminals
-Watch out for giant hungry Shy Guys
-Never spin cherries too fast
7:57 Intentional timing?
@Chèvre au lait tintin?
Gotta love the homebrew scene. So ingenious.
Piracy is no Party!
Say what you will about piracy but my old R4 introduced me to many franchises that would become favorites of mine.
I'm sure losing a sale of Devil Survivor is made up for by the many Atlus titles i've bought since then.
Omg, some Starforce footage, finally someone remember this series.
Using 2 songs from two of my favorite DS RPGs (Partners in Time and DQ9)? YES PLEASE!
"costing Nintendo $269M in lost sales."
No. It didn't. Only a percentage of pirate downloaders would have wanted to purchase it legitimately, lowering that number. Factor bot downloads on top of that, and you've got a much lower number.
People often download pirate games that they can't afford like me, or sometimes they download it to try the game and some people actually buy the games when they like it a lot instead of keeping the pirated one; or people just download them because they aren't available in their country (like here in Chile for example, we barely get games)
@@claudia-7917 what doesn't make sense about it?
JeffCsm what about games that are no being sold except through eBay and such I don’t see any reason not to emulate those games on a computer.
Yoyure being recommended this because youve been watching Mario Party Anti Piracy havent you
maybe 👁️👄👁️
No but I will check that out next 👀👀
Nope
Devil Survivor 2 also had a cool anti-piracy thing in it. If you're playing a hacked copy, an important mid-battle event will never happen, so you'll literally be stuck forever fighting an invincible boss battle.
I'm no mind reader so I can't say if it was written that way intentionally or not, but you cannot say with certainty that a pirated copy is a lost sale, and to report as such is an inaccuracy. Several reports have debunked this theory, often leading to the conclusion that video game piracy may in fact help sales rather than hinder them, and it is much more accurate to say that playing a pirated copy of a video game is an attempt to assess the game and is no more or less destructive to sales than the act of playing a demo version of said game. Signed, a video game developer with credit on a small handful of critically acclaimed titles.
I would die for( or pay for, that works too lol) a physical copy of a literal ton of games
Doesn't matter if it's a lost sale, games are a luxury. Make any excuse you want, it is still stealing.
@@kyleellis9177 i work on video games. it's not stealing. lol
Lol I love how they compare an "illegal" download to an actual sale, like all the people that downloaded the game would actually buy it if it wasn't available online, I think most of the downloads are for people using emulators and such, people that maybe never even had a DS or would ever buy one.
I like that their anti hacking measures for the games let you play a bit of the game like some kind of a demo 👌
honestly seeing how much people care for the ds and how they work together to bring back how the ds worked and felt makes me really happy.
1:05 That bricked wall though 😂😂
I was able to play Ace Attorney Investigations: Miles Edgeworth 2 with game patches. The game is Japan only, and the patch translates everything in game to English. They even keep spirit of the characters through translation. One of the best fan translations I have the pleasure to play through. Would recommend.
They just need to localize the other ace attorney games.
I think game piracy should be legal only for the cases when you can’t buy a brand new console or a brand new game officially.
Cases like, if a company like Sony can’t make money anymore of Playstation 2 or Nintendo can’t make money of old Nintendo consoles. Both aren’t winning if someone is selling a second hand game/console or when someone wants to buy a game but can’t find anywhere. They aren’t losing any sales if the game or console isn’t being sold or produced.
I still remember my flashcard, it was thanks to it that I knew of the Ace Attorney series, I'd have probably never bought one on my own, but now I have the entire series comfortably and legally sitting on my 3DS.
Well, except for Edgeworth Investigations...
part 2 of the game was never officially localized unfortunately, i love Ace Attorney
"majicon" is not a brand of flashcards, but instead the term we use here in Japan to refer to a flashcard, so when the majicon where outlawed, it basically prohibited the sale of any flashcard (like an everdrive)
2:15
Star Force!
And its 3
imagine spending so much time and effort making a game just for a bunch of kids to steal it from you
at 7:50. if there is no showing of piracy screens i will scream
ahh those days. i still have one of those pass through carts, until R4 and clones came out.
Rabbids Go Home as AP that cannot be beaten on emulators! Also the BGM continues to remind us on Alphadream's bankruptcy. RIP to them, they made such great M&L entries. My NDS got bricked from my R4 and I got a DSI to replace it, and I bought ALL DS games legally.
I mean Alphadream shouldn't have made BIS DX to begin with, so the blame is still there. Hope they get out of it tho
@@sanicboom6443 Nintendo took M&L ownership, it's up to them on what they do with it.
@@PrettyKoolCrocodile Alphadream developed it. They could have said no
"In fact, most hackers aren't pirates at all!"
Great, you've learned from your Switch video! Nice.
Now if we can just get them to stop suggesting that piracy can be considered to "cost" a specific amount.
@@Pellbort I mean, lost sales to piracy could potentially be a thing, if there were some barrier to buying games in the first place. Back in the DS era, they were physical carts -- nowadays, the only barrier to buying a game is money. Counting piracy as a lost sale is preposterous.
No they're Heretics, and we will purge them from this world
@@Pellbort that's a good point. I played lots of pirated games on a modded ps1. I didn't even know about it back then. But, if there was no pirating the only difference would be I would play no games at all, since my family would not be able to buy games. They'd have to choose between paying for games or my school, so Sony didn't lose any money, because there would be no money anyway.
These number only serve these companies so they can make judicial claims. It's still preposterous though.
@@Pellbort And if we could convince thieves to pay for games.
I feel bad for that one guy who just wanted to play Yoshi’s cookie but ended up getting a brick instead.
I own an R4 I got a few years ago. The reason I got was to cheat in the Events islands for Pokemon Emerald. I even bought a copy of Japanese Emerald to get a legit as possible Mew (I also shiny hunted Mew).
I haven't used the R4 for anything beyond that.
Save editing and backing up legitimately caught pokemon though the cart was neat!
Nintendo, to this day, barely has a grasp of the internet, cyber security, and operating systems design. They are very good at making games. But not much else.
Well they don't need to really care about anything outside of their games because you aren't supposed to hack their stuff. Online interactions involving children on the other hand...
Actually, with the Switch Nintendo stepped up a bit with their security. Only Nvidia screwed up, but other than that, Horizon is relatively secure. SciresM said, that he would be really suprised, if they actually get CFW running on the Switch lite
@Mitchell Adams Lol, so those japanese people may have very good luck, they have like 100+ accidents xd
It's amazing what hackers can do to make the DS much more better yet Nintendo can't do the same for the Switch.
True. So true.
interesting timing, here I was actually looking to buy a new R4 cart for my DS.
Well...this became relevant again.
1:58 woah, a family friend of mine gave this cart to me when I was around 7 years old and I didn’t know what to do with it
Partners in Time, huh?
And Dragon Quest music. Looks like someone likes JRPGs!
Thank you for talking about both the Good as well as the Bad in the homebrew hacking community!
Loved the AceKard that I had back in the day.
I used to have an R4 card. Most of my childhood games my parents bought properly and there were just a couple random games on the R4
A Google User same here, I always bought the Pokémon and Zelda games, but there were always some games that I wanted to check out.
So DS malware has existed for as long as I’ve been alive?
I still have an R4 card. Bought it over a decade ago in Thailand, had that specific one stolen, then got another while I lived in Hong Kong. Back then, I yar-har'd games since NTSC cards were hard to find. Now, however, I only play backups and romhacks.
A friend of mine heard about R4s online in high school. This friend has some good memories playing hacked translated versions of Pokemon HeartGold and SoulSilver before they ever came to America officially, as well as Pokemon Black and White, Scribblenauts, and Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks. My friend still has his R4 to this day.
Imagine getting wannacry on your ds.
I think Michael Jackson The Experience does a good job stopping people from playing it already, just by existing.
Imagine danganronpa on the dsi, and when it detects a piracy, it cuts to monokuma pressing the punishment button, however with no music, and staring at the screen
GAME AND SAVE DATA OVER
PIRACY HAS BEEN FOUND GUILTY
TIME TO ERASE DATA
The game then cuts to this basically silent screen, with Junko staring at you, only thing other than her is text saying
"You need to pay."
My best experience with DS homebrew was connecting to the DS’s “discontented” WFC being able to get event Pokémon and Items from Generation 4 & 5 without any modification or outside programs. I was finally able to play the liberty Pass event in Black and White Amun’s other things.
You can do that without a homebrew haha
Honestly, that whole bit of them going after flash cards feels like serious overreaching on their part. Also, wouldn't be surprised if they would one day go out of their way to kill the home-brew scene.
They just wanted to stop piracy since it fucked em so hard for Gen 4 Pokemon. Your right though very overreaching
Based on the excuses gamers make over hacking, I'd almost rather leave an alchoholic alone and trust he won't steal my beer, than I would trust any gamer not to copy all my games.
Heh, I remember my uncle asking me which card he could use for my niece's DS so they could download some games because the DS was expensive enough "because you do something with games right?"
Yes uncle. I develop DS games, I get paid to do that, I pay my mortgage and groceries with that money. FFS
The DS was a lot of fun to work with as a developer. Lots of fond memories. But piracy was one of the reasons we stopped/had to stop developing for that platform.
Uuuummm okay
referral madness I worked for Dutch indie developer Two Tribes B.V. from 2005 till 2010. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Tribes_(company)
The most well known game I worked on is probably Worm: Open Warfare 2 for DS (the PSP version was done by Team 17 themselves).
I hate pirates and how they will come up with a dozen reasons the have a right to play a video game.
Games are a priveledge not a right. I feel bad for you, sorry gamers are such ignorant and selfish jerks.
2 minutes ago i was watching videos about flipnote and piracy
Link?
@@diamondarrow4567 just search 2010 - 2012 flipnotes, the song called "don't download this song" and some other stuff related to this
I like that this video also gave attention to all the positive possible uses of hacking and homebrewing, that the masses just ignore and only focus on the (of course truly unacceptable) piracy aspect.
Who is watching this when they watched mario party ds anti privacy screen
Man, my first homebrew app was on the DS. It was just an attempt to remake Minecraft Creative, but it was a blast to work on, even if I never finished it.
And now, literally every Nintendo system has been cracked or emulated.
1 year later piracy is no party
Gonna watch this on my ds lite to prove a point, brb.
Edit: watched this on my DS Lite
Dragon Quest 5 responding to piracy with an endless loop of a pirate ship is the most Dragon Quest thing ever
That's weird
My R4 copy of Mass Attack loaded just fine, though for some reason half the music in the game sounds slightly distorted or corrupted
Mass Attack was one of the best Kirby games.
I just wanted to publicly thank you from the bottom of my heart for not playing a clip of the vuvuzela. It means a lot.
I won't be surprised if views of this video jump ten fold.
This was a really interesting video. Thanks, DYKG.
POV: You Came Back From Mario Party DS Anti Piracy
Loving the use of footage from Mega Man Starforce 3! Funny since it fits the theme with all the "Viruses" in the game
I was playing Mario Kart DS last knight for nostalgia sake, so hearing the character selection theme at the beginning got me smiling.
if pokemon didnt cost 35 for a used copy, or even a price drop for a new. maybe we wouldnt try to pirate it.
Nintendo doesn't make any money off of the used copies anyway.
Pokemon Platinum is £40 in my local Game store!