Further tuning equates more financial increase. By the time it reaches the a45 amg, it'll probably cost the same, thus negating it's initial budget friendly target, no?
@@trcs3079 yes that is one point, but you can start nearly as fast for half the price, then slowly modify as you see fit. It's also more fun as a drivers car.
on a track, it's definitely not on a different level, on backroads like this AWD will inspire more confidence for the driver which help more than ultimate performance when u can't push 10/10 everywhere.
100%. You can just see how much input Tsuchiya had to put in to keep a respectable line (especially when he was leading). Insane that the fk8 hung tough though because the A45 buildout is guaranteed twice the cost of the FK8 buildout! Shout out Seeker!
I've been watching Best Motoring videos since a teenager, dreaming about owning a 90's sports car and I never knew about new videos. Watching this one is kinda nostalgic and awesome in the same way. DK skills always amazed me and it's impressive that he didn't lost the touch over the years. Kudos from Brazil, big fan here, @BestMOTORing, nowdays I own an CIVIC FA8 Si, inspired by those Touge battles.
A45 has 100 more horses, All Wheels Drive vs Type R which is FWD ... on a wet condition. A45 has an advantage clearly ... and a 50% higher price tab. I will say good job to both the Honda Engineers and German Engineers for coming up with 2 'Super' cars that are great to drive and compete with. Great cars!!
They are on different leagues, is not even comparable. One side drives for a living, the others are just broadcaster / car journalist. Both are fun and professional in their own ways.
I can't help but to think that it would be amazing to see Keichi Tsuchiya to have a go at Rally Monte Carlo. I'd love to see how well he would do against like Sebastian Loeb.
@@TassieLorenzo you can read in the caption the driver talks about tapping the break which caused the oversteer (very similar to lift off oversteer as you said)
As a Honda owner and therefore fan, having great appreciation for the brand and its products, I gotta say, that AMG wiped the floor with the Civic. And that's not a bad thing to any of us. On the contrary
Battle was awesome. Big accomplishment for the folks at Seeker to set up an FF to compete with a 4WD in wet conditions, no less. Also, where can I get that Seeker shirt? It looks too cool 🥶
A legend driver + Civic FK8 = Beast mode kept playing that 90deg curve part how that FK8 pulls away 😅😎🚗 All in all great car performances and cool drivers More power to them
Everyone knows the a45 has a lot of lag that’s why it has 400 hp so all the civic driver had to was slow down before the 90 degree bend and then speed up again and that creates a gap for the a45
the fact that he blamed himself for the second race shows what a honorable driver he is GOAT
😄
How did you get keiichi’s face in your comment? Lol
@@johnfishcajigal Membership
Drift King 🤴
Nobody there has to prove anything. He reminds me of Walter Röhrl.
When Tsuchiya-san exiting the corner then accelerate, I feel like seeing a Fujiwara zone IRL.
いや車もすごいけど、１０００万近くもするしかもショップのデモカーをこんな状況で全開にできるプロたちがもっとすごいわ
やっぱいつになっても値段は高いけどスポーツできる車を出してくれるのはありがたい
谷口さん、レースでもプライベートでもベンツ乗りのプライドにかけて
2本目はマジでしたね😇
この路面でこの二人の真剣勝負は素晴らしですね！
見てるだけでゾクゾクします！
どちらも素晴らしい車ですね。本気のバトルも見れて最高ですね
織戸さんのコメントがわかりやすくて、動画の面白さを底上げしてる
谷口さんと土屋さんのピリピリも伝わってきてシビれる！
Wow the civic is unbelievable. Imagine now dry surface and further tuning to reach the amg´s costs. This FF car is just a beast
Agreed!
Further tuning equates more financial increase. By the time it reaches the a45 amg, it'll probably cost the same, thus negating it's initial budget friendly target, no?
@@trcs3079 yes that is one point, but you can start nearly as fast for half the price, then slowly modify as you see fit. It's also more fun as a drivers car.
@@trcs3079 Well with honda probably not. Get a laptop, set it on your passenger seat and boom that's an extra 400 horses.
@@trcs3079 it doesn't need further tunning, as it is now on track it will beat the benz.
今の時代こんな熱いの少ないから見てて楽しいな
A45 is definitely on a different level but Tsuchiya 's amazing driving skill made FK8 to reach the same level as the A45
I think so, ff has no chance again awd in wet surface.. but that crazy old man doing some incredible job.. mr stuchiya is a real legend
on a track, it's definitely not on a different level, on backroads like this AWD will inspire more confidence for the driver which help more than ultimate performance when u can't push 10/10 everywhere.
100%. You can just see how much input Tsuchiya had to put in to keep a respectable line (especially when he was leading). Insane that the fk8 hung tough though because the A45 buildout is guaranteed twice the cost of the FK8 buildout! Shout out Seeker!
Don't forget it's tuned Civic-R. Base Civic-R gets smoked by A45
WRX STI beat this AMG! BRAVO
I've been watching Best Motoring videos since a teenager, dreaming about owning a 90's sports car and I never knew about new videos. Watching this one is kinda nostalgic and awesome in the same way. DK skills always amazed me and it's impressive that he didn't lost the touch over the years. Kudos from Brazil, big fan here, @BestMOTORing, nowdays I own an CIVIC FA8 Si, inspired by those Touge battles.
the initial D style techno music is always nostalgic no matter how old we get
素晴らしいバトルでしたね！
65歳でこの運転技術は素晴らしいの一言しか無い。
海外勢の方々のコメントを翻訳して見てたら「狂った老人」と出てて笑いました
確かになあw
家の親父と同い年とは、思えない………。
@@uniik819 😂
この人見てると本当に車の人生を生きてるよね。
若さがながく保たれるのを期待したくなる
それはそれでいいのだけど
シビックのフロントタイヤが滑りかけてるように見えるよ
Would love to see the same battle but in dry conditions . Thanks again for the subtitles
土屋さん左90度やたら速いww
A45 has 100 more horses, All Wheels Drive vs Type R which is FWD ... on a wet condition. A45 has an advantage clearly ... and a 50% higher price tab. I will say good job to both the Honda Engineers and German Engineers for coming up with 2 'Super' cars that are great to drive and compete with. Great cars!!
the A45 is actually really cheap compared to the Type R, almost same price second hand.
*tag, price tag, friend..
100 horses more? not sure about that, unless it's the a45s? standard a45 is about 350bhp vs round 320 in the civic
@@antop4597 the civic is 305 hp not 320
@@antop4597 a35 is 300 something lol, a45 is 400+
These old men are still living the life
Man this was a good battle.... to get the FK8 to oversteer like that DK had to be getting it really good. 🤘
This was a good race. Tsuchiya showed out and showed off his skills in that Civic Type R. Think about it: an FF against a 4WD in semi wet conditions.
I will always choose real drivers like Nobuteru, Manabu and Keiichi over comedians like Jeremy, James and Richard.
and max orido
@@PageCarteller MAX Orido's real name is Manabu Orido.
hell no top gear holds more memories
They are on different leagues, is not even comparable. One side drives for a living, the others are just broadcaster / car journalist.
Both are fun and professional in their own ways.
@@hyphed4196 only in jokes
Honestly both cars seemed to be struggling thru the tighter turns, wet conditions and vehicle weight seems to play a big role
Awesome battle !
I can't help but to think that it would be amazing to see Keichi Tsuchiya to have a go at Rally Monte Carlo. I'd love to see how well he would do against like Sebastian Loeb.
The chassis and suspension of the fk8 must be truly incredible to oversteer on power for a ff car with so much power
Honda pulled it off with the EK9 and DC2 Type-R so if anyone can pull it off, its them
Pretty much every Honda has been able to do that right off of the showroom floor since like 1984.
It doesn't oversteer on power (power oversteer) that's impossible for FF, it's lift-off oversteer and chassis balance oversteer...
Not power. Tsuchiya-san said he slowed mid corner causing weight to shift foward.
@@TassieLorenzo
you can read in the caption the driver talks about tapping the break which caused the oversteer (very similar to lift off oversteer as you said)
These battles are very exciting from start to finish!
4:24
FK8: Wu tutututut, wuuuuu
A45: Wuuutuuuutuuutuutuutuu
A45内装めちゃくちゃかっこいいやんけ
Civic Type R looks so cool in Red almost like Angry Bird
That reminds me the fight between Hamilton and Verstappen....nice video
昔、赤いFD2でFF魔王になられた
『SEEKER』
寺岡さん‼︎ 次は完勝してください♬
凄い〜土屋さん。マシン性能差があるのに、その差をなくす。凄い
土屋さんの腕がなければ 完璧にシビックが負けてた訳だ
FK8オーナーですけど勝負はAMG A45の勝ちですね(笑)SEEKERと土屋職人だからあの速さで勝負出来てた（職人凄すぎる）
でも冷静に考えるとあのやたら重いR34より更に100キロ重いA45がチューンしたFK8と対等にこのクソ狭い峠で走れるってのも凄いですよ、同じ2Lターボですからねしかも....
今のAMGってどのクラスも恐ろしい完成度ですよね😅どのクラスも重いのに、車の性能でカバーしてしまうという…
@@ecoeco2457 AMGを軽量化してハイグリップタイヤ履かせたら凄いことになりそうですね。
純正では安全性能とか快適性能とかの余計な物がいっぱい付いてるから重たいけどその辺をなくせたら化けそうです。
@@たくたく-b4w ECUちょっとイジッただけで500馬力いっちゃいますよ
Hahaha, Orido really called it with Taniguchi getting his switch flipped after the first run xD
Nice battle!
As a Honda owner and therefore fan, having great appreciation for the brand and its products, I gotta say, that AMG wiped the floor with the Civic. And that's not a bad thing to any of us. On the contrary
This channel deserver much more views!!! Very great content!!
このチャネルは、はるかに多くのビューに値します!!! とても素晴らしいコンテンツです！
I'm soo sorry for very bad japanese translation, I'm just using Google translate 🥲
結局昔から出てるチューナーが残るんですね〜
ノウハウって大事ですね
This channel deserves more subs
Civic Type R is an absolute track beast
Nah
I realised when they showed the weight comparison that the A45 is over 500lbs heavier. That's quite significant to offset its horsepower advantage.
久しぶりにマジバトル見た(^-^)
土屋さんのあの技量と速さ……笑 とても60とは思えない……笑
Es el Rey
best car channel in the universe
It would be very cool if they invited Tsunoda and Gasly for a special Honda episode!
🙄
Max?
But Tsunoda should be perfect!
Had this been Initial D Final Stage, that is the time Tsuchiya-san showed his wings. 😊
8:55 Keiichi Tsuchiya Entering the Keiichi Zone ( The real takumi zone as defined by Ryosuke )
Battle was awesome. Big accomplishment for the folks at Seeker to set up an FF to compete with a 4WD in wet conditions, no less.
Also, where can I get that Seeker shirt? It looks too cool 🥶
不利なウェットで1000万AWDと500万のFFの対決で一本勝つんだから
ドライバーも車もすごい。
チューニングしてる時点でイーブンじゃないよ。A45sはノーマル。
ノーマル対決ならタイプR完敗。
よく車両価格＋チューニング費用で高性能外車にタメ張ってる国産車スゲーって言ってる人いるけど内装や走りの質感、先進装備、ブランド力全負けしてるっていう事に気づいてない。そこもひっくるめての価格差なのよ。
ただ、最新のタイプRはそこを努力していて全体的な質感UPをして且つ500万切ってるのは本当に素晴らしいと思う。
Still remember 20yrs ago, watching DK race, damn… he is still v good and amazing speed and controls. 😍😍🥇
A45のシフトスピードすげぇ
That's some real initial d that first run.
this reminds me of initial d! they all got the skills!
That red Type R looks awesome.
A45が乗りやすい車ですね。
Wooow, great video!!!!😍😍🔥🔥
走りに関係ないですがA45の内装かっこいいですね
ドライで見たかったですねぇ。
織戸選手、シーカーの赤いシビック見ると運転したくないですよね。当時、小学生でしたがあれは衝撃的でした。ただ、その後織戸選手が峠から姿を消したことが一番悲しかったですね。
今はとっくに峠に復帰されていますが、こうして3人のメインパーソナリティでHotVersionが続いていることが喜ばしいです。次は足が改善されたスープラ乗ってくださいね。
シーカーの赤いFK8カッコイイよね
one of the finest recommendations i've ever had
I wish I have money to buy a Civic. That's my dream car since I was young.
You made my day with this video
MCRの社長が数年前、外国のインタビューで今の日本車のポテンシャル不足を心配してたけど、
本当にそれが現実になったんだなぁって感じました。
まさかシビックＲが群サイで勝てないなんて・・・
ぶっちゃけVAB、FK8よりもエボ9のが速いと思うんだけど、どうなんだろうね
大丈夫、ここの魔王は2台いる上に両方国産のチューニングカーだから
@@verdure023 今はアシストM4も魔王も加わってますよ
a45はマジでエグい
Thank you for english subtitle!
A legend driver + Civic FK8 = Beast mode
kept playing that 90deg curve part how that FK8 pulls away 😅😎🚗
All in all great car performances and cool drivers
More power to them
Wow DKs driving is impeccable
Wow what a great channel! I'm a noob to it we don't have anything really like this in English media. Brilliant!
ドライバー3名は変わらないけど、チューナはみんな歳取ったな〜
will never forget that MR-S in the titkle sequence, its too beastly
Nice
Best show on the planet.
I Love Honda
I Love TypeR
I Like Vtec
Son dos grandes coches 👏👏🇪🇸🏁
Love this Channel! Arigato!
Awesome race👏👏👏👏👏
Love to own both car some day
See this race looks fun but surely it's dangerous, what about that tiny tiny road they're using
Gunma Cycle Sports Center
現代FFはメチャ速だー
FK8最高～♪
AMGやっぱり速い!
Man that gap in the first race. Keiichi is a huge driver mod
まるで今現在のF1の総力図みたいですね！
Cierto jejeje, saludos desde Barcelona España
勢力図？
AMG45加速好猛，大力出奇迹
Look at wheel control on each car, Mer. seems effortless and relax. That’s the differents haha
That’s what japanese tuning stands for a balance and efficiency of the car and economic and not a speed
JDM cars is number one☺️ watching from Philippines
ホンダ好きとしては土屋さんが一矢報いてくれてホッとしてます😝
でもメルセデス速えー！
Everyone knows the a45 has a lot of lag that’s why it has 400 hp so all the civic driver had to was slow down before the 90 degree bend and then speed up again and that creates a gap for the a45
ただただ素晴らしい、カッコイイ、プロですね。
HONDA , HONDA , HONDA , HONDA , HONDA ❤❤❤
I cant believe i only found this channel today
Awesome race, guys.
それでも日本車が好き!
Can't believe he gods of racing are still at it!
Ваши видо очень нравится!!!
Great show of driving skills. The best part is the teams have mutual respect. 👍🏼
Japanese peeps always had a mutual respect and honesty
やっぱり土屋さんって上手いのよなぁ。
現役のスーパーGTドライバーについていけるんやもんなぁ。
しかも還暦過ぎてますからね…😓
バケモノすぎる…
Mercedes VS Red Bull 🔥
tsuchiya-san entering the tsuchiya' zone at 90 degree turn
Love these battles!!!