Are we ignoring the Celtics? They have 4 all-stars in the starting lineup and the best record in the NBA. Superteams are still good, just much harder to put together effectively.
@@GenerationalDisappointment if add the clippers to that list then would you get ~40% success rate? If so, then that’s a pretty good success rate to be fair…
Not sure I would label the Celtics as a super team, they have some extremely good depth and players but when I think of a super team, I am thinking of multiple players that are or were just at superstar level before joining the team. Apart from Tatum I cannot consider any other player on the Celtics a superstar. Ofc the word “super team” is pretty subjective though, there’s no real definition. The reason I would consider the clippers to have a super team roster is because of the fact that 4 of the players on the team were playing at an MVP level just a few years ago. Now Westbrook and Harden have fallen off but the talent on paper is still their regardless. It’s just a crazy looking team is where I’m getting at. The 2021 nets were even more of a super team considering they had KD/Kyrie/Harden all in their primes. Overall though it’s a weird term and weird to define, I Wouldn’t over complicate it I would just say “The roster looks extremely good” on paper.
I think you're actually wrong on your main point as to why "Super teams" don't work. It's not because star players can't work together anymore but because teams no longer try to build super teams through Free agency or end-of-season trading and do it via trading mid-season. "Super teams" fail now because half of a roster needs to be gutted mid-season for a superstar player which destroys the chemistry and depth of any team. Whereas in Free agency or end-of-season trading you have more control of who you're going to let go in order to make space in the cap for the superstar player. The last 3 "Super Teams" that won the championship were all teams that made those "super teams" via free agency or off season trades. 2008 Boston, The Miami Heat with LeBron and 2017 and 2018 GSWs.
That’s a really good point, I agree. I do believe however that some star players are better off not playing with eachother. In the mavs case for example, Kidd has resorted more to playing Luka and kyrie at seperate times rather than together.
That was back in November last year, and since December, the Clippers have went on a tear. You’ve had over a month to reconsider/update your ‘idea’… but instead you uploaded this video last week, blatantly remaining ignorant to new data that disproves it. It would be fine if you posted this video a month earlier, but not now. It’s almost as bad as posting a video about potential whereabouts of a missing school bus… one month AFTER the bus has already been found. Lol
@@quitram Most of the issues still stand with the clippers such as their injury proneness. Keep in mind as well that I stated in the video how bad the clippers were doing while Westbrook was starting and how they got their act together since he's been benched.
Naw bro this is still the case. You comparing the Suns to a Superteam. That’s your problem. 3 All Star and a bunch of guys on the minimum isn’t a super team Bucks had 3 Allstars my guy and Brook Lopez that was literally a super team. When Toronto won they had 6former Allstars on their team and 3 former DPOY. Superteams always win when they have dept
Let's be real here. Toronto is not winning that year if both KD and Klay don't get injured. They have literally 0 shot. And as for Milwaukee, Brook Lopez was way past his prime. He's serviceable, even back then. He's a great piece but he sure as hell was not Brooklyn Nets Brook Lopez, the other two all-stars on that team are not looked upon as players that would create a super team. Super teams are created when you have more than 2 players that are universally agreed upon to be the number 1 guy on that team, can be the number 1 on another team if he left, or was the number 1 guy on their previous team. An easy example of this is the Miami Heat with LeBron, Dwade, and Bosh. Wade was the #1 in Miami, LeBron the #1 in Cleveland, and Bosh the #1 in Toronto. The same exact concept with the Celtics with Pierce, Allen, and KG.
@@kingkanyon They almost lost to Houston cause Houston was a great team lol. Houston would've destroyed Toronto. And Houston played against a healthy Klay plus a healthy KD for most of the series, tf u talking bout
@@jac6548 Houston was not better than Toronto, they were a bad defensive team that 5 out and shot chucked 3s. Toronto was the best defensive team and Siakam was one of the best players in the playoffs besides Kawhi leanord being the best. Add in Mark Gasol, Serge Ibaka, Danny Green, O.G Annanoby, Kyle Lowry, Norm Powell and Fred Vanfleet. That Roster was Amazing, hence why they traded for Kawhi because they knew what would happen. Besides that injury’s is part of basketball, if the Kawhi doesn’t get hurt Clippers hypothetically win a championship, if Lebron and AD don’t get hurt or if Kd doesn’t go to Gs, ain’t no such thing as what if, it either happened or it didn’t, because we don’t know what could’ve happened we only know what did.
I define super team differently it’s a subjective term. The suns are one to me considering both KD and Booker are not just all stars but superstars and Beal on top of that was a recent all star averaging over 30 ppg.
Are we ignoring the Celtics? They have 4 all-stars in the starting lineup and the best record in the NBA. Superteams are still good, just much harder to put together effectively.
One super team out of 4or 5 is only a 20-25% success rate, wouldn't say that means super teams are still good as that leaves a 75-80% failure rate.
@@GenerationalDisappointment if add the clippers to that list then would you get ~40% success rate?
If so, then that’s a pretty good success rate to be fair…
They have jrue holiday and have defense that’s probably why
They have 2-3 great players, and very good role players. Not a "superteam"
Not sure I would label the Celtics as a super team, they have some extremely good depth and players but when I think of a super team, I am thinking of multiple players that are or were just at superstar level before joining the team. Apart from Tatum I cannot consider any other player on the Celtics a superstar. Ofc the word “super team” is pretty subjective though, there’s no real definition.
The reason I would consider the clippers to have a super team roster is because of the fact that 4 of the players on the team were playing at an MVP level just a few years ago. Now Westbrook and Harden have fallen off but the talent on paper is still their regardless. It’s just a crazy looking team is where I’m getting at. The 2021 nets were even more of a super team considering they had KD/Kyrie/Harden all in their primes. Overall though it’s a weird term and weird to define, I Wouldn’t over complicate it I would just say “The roster looks extremely good” on paper.
I think you're actually wrong on your main point as to why "Super teams" don't work. It's not because star players can't work together anymore but because teams no longer try to build super teams through Free agency or end-of-season trading and do it via trading mid-season. "Super teams" fail now because half of a roster needs to be gutted mid-season for a superstar player which destroys the chemistry and depth of any team. Whereas in Free agency or end-of-season trading you have more control of who you're going to let go in order to make space in the cap for the superstar player. The last 3 "Super Teams" that won the championship were all teams that made those "super teams" via free agency or off season trades. 2008 Boston, The Miami Heat with LeBron and 2017 and 2018 GSWs.
That’s a really good point, I agree. I do believe however that some star players are better off not playing with eachother. In the mavs case for example, Kidd has resorted more to playing Luka and kyrie at seperate times rather than together.
I mean the most talented team will win more often than not. Players need to be able to play well with each other though
Agreed
nice video 👍👍
because they are not super teams
I don’t think this was a good take…
The superteam strategy is working surprisingly well for the clippers right now.
I also came up with this idea when the clippers were negative and doing horribly
That was back in November last year, and since December, the Clippers have went on a tear. You’ve had over a month to reconsider/update your ‘idea’… but instead you uploaded this video last week, blatantly remaining ignorant to new data that disproves it.
It would be fine if you posted this video a month earlier, but not now.
It’s almost as bad as posting a video about potential whereabouts of a missing school bus… one month AFTER the bus has already been found. Lol
@@quitram Most of the issues still stand with the clippers such as their injury proneness. Keep in mind as well that I stated in the video how bad the clippers were doing while Westbrook was starting and how they got their act together since he's been benched.
The clippers this year?
in my next video, Why anyone can just make a basketball video and post it online
Isn't that literally the point of TH-cam though?
@@GenerationalDisappointment ya
Haha it is a free platform for anyone to upload and I’m not making money 🤷♂️ don’t ask me why the algorithm decided to promote this vid over 2k views
Naw bro this is still the case. You comparing the Suns to a Superteam. That’s your problem. 3 All Star and a bunch of guys on the minimum isn’t a super team
Bucks had 3 Allstars my guy and Brook Lopez that was literally a super team. When Toronto won they had 6former Allstars on their team and 3 former DPOY. Superteams always win when they have dept
Let's be real here. Toronto is not winning that year if both KD and Klay don't get injured. They have literally 0 shot. And as for Milwaukee, Brook Lopez was way past his prime. He's serviceable, even back then. He's a great piece but he sure as hell was not Brooklyn Nets Brook Lopez, the other two all-stars on that team are not looked upon as players that would create a super team. Super teams are created when you have more than 2 players that are universally agreed upon to be the number 1 guy on that team, can be the number 1 on another team if he left, or was the number 1 guy on their previous team. An easy example of this is the Miami Heat with LeBron, Dwade, and Bosh. Wade was the #1 in Miami, LeBron the #1 in Cleveland, and Bosh the #1 in Toronto. The same exact concept with the Celtics with Pierce, Allen, and KG.
@@RanmyakuJouten Be real? That same team almost lost to Houston and they weren’t better than Toronto
@@kingkanyon They almost lost to Houston cause Houston was a great team lol. Houston would've destroyed Toronto. And Houston played against a healthy Klay plus a healthy KD for most of the series, tf u talking bout
@@jac6548 Houston was not better than Toronto, they were a bad defensive team that 5 out and shot chucked 3s. Toronto was the best defensive team and Siakam was one of the best players in the playoffs besides Kawhi leanord being the best. Add in Mark Gasol, Serge Ibaka, Danny Green, O.G Annanoby, Kyle Lowry, Norm Powell and Fred Vanfleet. That Roster was Amazing, hence why they traded for Kawhi because they knew what would happen.
Besides that injury’s is part of basketball, if the Kawhi doesn’t get hurt Clippers hypothetically win a championship, if Lebron and AD don’t get hurt or if Kd doesn’t go to Gs, ain’t no such thing as what if, it either happened or it didn’t, because we don’t know what could’ve happened we only know what did.
I define super team differently it’s a subjective term. The suns are one to me considering both KD and Booker are not just all stars but superstars and Beal on top of that was a recent all star averaging over 30 ppg.