@@FlawlessVegaMichael if you play pro basketball you nkow that handcheckin still exists but it's kind less effective just on off arm swipe and he is gone
I get crazy offense sells to the casual if you’re stat checking on IG and stuff like that, but man, crunch time situations in a close game are so enhanced by good defense, it makes every bucket feel like it was earned in a war
I'd argue It's not even defense. Look at all the uncalled travel, ball carrying, moving pivot foot. In today's NBA you can walk all the way from LA to NYC back & forth w/o being called for travelling once so of course players gets a ton of space for easier offensive stats. Imagine you as a defender guarding opposing wingers, it's hard to time your jump to block his shot. Why? B/c you don't know how many steps he takes after having control of the ball. You think by 3rd step he has to shoot so you jump only find out he moves the pivot to get one more step to dodge your block and refs let him get away with it while you in the mid air look like a fool mistiming his jump. He may add another 2 hop-backs before releasing the ball. It's ridiculous. Today's good offensive stats are all phony.
Idk why people think defence is boring, accommodating to the taste of the casual viewership is necessary for a business but it’s killing the game, they need to find a middle ground. Even the best defenders nowadays feel underwhelming
Right. Remember during the playoffs you'd see crazy defensive plays right when you'd think a player was about to score a bucket at the rim? It was exciting seeing the ball ricochet all crazy after am insane block. That's what made the NBA, especially during playoff time, so exciting to watch. Also, remember back then the playoffs is where players actually got better because the intensity was so much higher? Remember the commentators use to stress players with no playoff experience need to experience it so they can improve their game? Now the playoffs look and feel like regular season games. You don't see defensive intensity like that anymore.
Bring back traveling and palming the ball. If they are so much more skilled then call the game like it is supposed to be called at any level. No more gather step, super Euro step and carrying the ball and defenses will be better equipped to stay in front of players.
The gather step has been around for ages hasn't it? I think it just wasn't abused as much. Still legal but I wouldn't be that mad about it getting removed.
Pop has the new 19-year-old kid Wemby playing 20 minutes a game. The NBA is ass now, I try to watch, but it's so dull with load management and the 50 3-pointers a game.
This overload of offense just makes the game boring. Watching someone take an easy trip to the basket isn't as entertaining as people think when it's a regular occurrence. If you strengthen the defense and actually let them play, it makes the offense more interesting because you know when your team scores it's because they're actually good enough earn it. These players today just got no dog in them, and you need it to not only play defense but fight through it when the game going to the wire.
Normally I'm good with the takes but you missed something Goober. Everyone travels and carries, with some being extremes of it like Morant, Harden or Lebron, but it's mostly a league thing. If they'd call travels players would SEEM less skilled. Imagine Pistol Pete Maravich getting this leeway to dribble and finish? Hell imagine any offensive player pre this era having that much leeway. Iverson who was famous for his crossover was called on carrying often and the media, players, coaches, franchises complained they didnt call it ENOUGH. Added like you said the foul calls today. If you pin point the moment when they really started giving leeway it coincides with the extreme boost in pace more than the 3 pointer has which says a lot. Yes all the reasons you mentioned are all a certain factor, but IMO the foul calls and non calls for travels and carries just makes it impossible for a defender to stop a player. Not even talking about handchecking. Just those two things majorly killed it even without handchecking. Hell this maybe a video idea for you; how everyone travels and carries today.
Also Luka puts his hand under the ball every time he dribbles, Curry takes a million steps before pulling up, Draymond, Looney, and Bam Adebayo have never set a legal screen in their careers, and guys like Lebron, Giannis, and Embiid commit an offensive foul every time they drive to the basket
@@egglordsasuke8532 I always considered Pistol Pete the player with the best touch ever and the most creative passer ever next to ofc being one of the best passers ever.
What so you mean with 90s defence? Illegal defence where you cant play helpside defence if your man is above the free throw line? Thats the reason there were so many post ups/isos. The main reason the score was low in the 90s was because the pace was very low (because Everybody glorified the grit and grind Detroit bad boys style). Meanwhile the first year the Pistons became successfully they were still allowing 104 ppg (late 80s), similar to the best teams right now. Why? Because the pace was higher in the 80s
It's not that players got better, it's that they get away with alot. They don't call carrys, walks and they put the 3 seconds rule so centers or players can't be in the paint. Its clearly players not better.
Allow limited hand checking: Let players hand check only beyond the 3 point line. That'll bring some of these 3 point shooters back into the midrange game since they're getting harassed outside the line. Heavily restrict moving screens: Blow the whistle even if a toe is moved. That'll slow down players using screens to get open looks. It'll reward good coaches for coming up with good schemes and slow down the half court offense a little. You can't just pick and roll your offense all game and defenses won't have to switch as much and give away mismatches. Start calling travels/carries again: These easy cross and slash to the rim moves are getting cut out. Those 3 things could take 20 points off the game for both teams and get the scoring back to 108-105.
Move the 3 point line back by 3 feet. Guaranteed that will drop league 3 point averages which will force teams to think twice before shooting the 3. That is a step in the right direction to making the game go back more to the mid range game.
eventually the game will evolve and coaches will start telling everyone to stop shooting to many 3s, that's the point, it takes time for things to be adapted and for things to change@@drechillin2154
The NBA has been fast paced and high scoring every decade other than the 90's and 2000's, but people act like every other decade was like those decades. Contrary to popular belief, "hand checking" doesn't stop people from scoring as much as they want to pretend that it does. The current Pacers are playing beautiful basketball, everyone is making good passes to the open guy, and people are knocking down their open looks. No rule can stop that.
It's funny you say that handchecking doesn't stop people from scoring that much when the commissionaire literally explained they got rid of handchecking to open the game for the smaller offensive players more so. Anyone that played ball themselves know it's way harder to go past someone if they can basically break your momentum basically pushing you wherever they want with handchecking. Hell why do you think that players who both played in that era and this all say no handchecking is easier offense? The very fact that they will call a foul on someone handchecking which is now an 'impeding path' blocking foul or ofc a shooting foul, literally means it's easier for the offense to get by. You know how players put players in the cookie jar like KD's move? Yea that would just be an offensive foul with handchecking instead of free throws. Those stepbacks players make nowadays? Try to pull them off when somebody is allowed to stay in your grill with his hands without it being a call like Harden constantly got. You can literally read about this and all other rules they implemented to do so like the 3 seconds rule. I could even search the link for you so you can read yourself.
Just watched Doncic score 73 and defense was like an All Star game…and we all know what a great entertaining product that turned out to be…..I honestly think they’ll have to take away the 3 point line altogether eventually to make the game watchable - there has to be some competitive defense or the value of each individual possession keeps becoming worth less (think about how this contrasts with how each snap in the NFL or each at bat in the MLB keeps the viewer’s attention)
You make a lot of great points in this video, well done! One thing to highlight is the increase in pace which naturally leads to more scoring. The 7 seconds or less suns would be last in pace in todays NBA but also in the 80s. The denver nuggets averaged over 120 ppg in the 80s with hand checking in place, bad spacing and barely any threes. They just kept running. Your point on the rules is spot on though. Offensive players get away with travels, carrying the ball and offensive fouls that arent called. Thinking basketball made a great video on how the rules have changed over time to benefit the offensive player.
tbh with the demars assist point, if you look at highlights from back then a good 75% of guard ones are them throwing the most insane passes of any era
@@bigdye1976 man even back in the dayyy you had cousy,west and pistol slinging that thing, these guys skills are massively underrated considering how neutered their offence was by the rules
Adam silvers NBA is unbearable at times. It angers me that all he cares about is money, while he watches the refs take over the game and players scoring 40 points a night off of 20 free throws a game.
Oh yeah. Pity. If you add the uncalled travelling, the ridiculous amount of 3 pointers and how just a bunch of players have the possession of the ball most of the times, well you get this decaf NBA. I miss so much the 80s and 90s.
I'm still waiting for someone to explain how players are so much better today and the Miami Heat mad the Finals with Jimmy Butler and a bunch of guys. That team doesn't make it past the second round in the 90s
"Jimmy Butler and a bunch of guys" 😭😭😭😭 please don’t expose yourself like this. players are better nowadays because they’re more skilled, athletic and just overall more versatile. there were starters in the 90s that couldn’t dribble with their weak hand
The game is bigger than ever, the talent pool is bigger than ever, sports medicine is the best it’s ever been. offensive and defensive schemes have gotten better over the last 30 years. So you want us to believe everything gets better but the players? go kick rocks oldhead
@Axzide lol. You mean like Jaylen Brown. Smh, you still didn't explain how Jimmy Butler got that trash ass Heat team to the Finals. Jokic can barely jump over a paper plate, yet he dominates the league (but guys are more athletic, right), Giannis isn't a great dribble, shooter, and is limited in the post, yet he's a top player, gtfoh. This product is trash that's why nobody watches. Watching the Nba now is like watching a glorified All Star game. If you don't know the game then just say so
@@mauricewells7838maybe they weren’t trash? and the fact that u mention jimmy over and over just proves that you don’t know who bam is which means u have no right to a basketball opinion. Jokic is a good shooter, a good post player and the best passing/playmaking center of all time.
@Axzide the same Jokic that got outplayed by a past his prime Dwight Howard, but ok. If you think Jokic has more in his bag than Hakeem, then your tripping and need to get a new supplier. And Bam is a good player but again, that Heat team isn't getting past the second round in the 90s. Plus wasn't there a day last week were 6 teams scored 140 regulation points? That's some great defense being played huh. Watched Espn earlier, and they were complaining about how the Lakers can't shoot. But you're right the skill level is so much greater, smh
I welcome the evolution of floor spacing offenses in the game, but there should also be new rules and restrictions for offenses to go along with it. Defense isn't impossible to do in the modern NBA, it's just that defense is a lot more scrutinized by officiating than offense because it's a more physical and hectic practice. I think it's fair now to implement new rules on offense, or at least strictly enforce existing rules, so that offenses can still improve and defenses can still be relevant.
Kerr complaining about officiating is hilarious. Part of why the warriors have been the most dominant team of the past decade is their ability to get away with illegal screens. Also Curry gets free throws almost every time he’s touched and throws a tantrum (and his mouthpiece) when he doesn’t get the call
Your right about the first part but curry is perhaps the most disrespected superstar in terms of getting to the line. He doesn’t get the whistle as often as he should.
1:28 actually it was the spurs that exploited this with their "beautiful game" play style. The warriors noticed this and took it to another level with Steph and klay's incredible shooting
I wouldnt say the Warriors figured out that the 3-pointer was effective. It's more that they happen to have to of the greatest shooters ever in league history on the same team at the same time.
If these players today are way more skilled then why the NBA allowed 3 to 5 steps to create a lot of space? Believe me, if they revert back to 2 steps then their numbers will go down drastically. They're not smarter nor more skilled, they're being fed well 🥱
If they went to 2 steps the league average would go down like 3 points, they still make 2 step baskets all the time. Not everyone dribbles like Ja Morant
Compare 3-point shooting efficiency today vs. 30 years ago. 90-91 NBA: Only 7 players shot ≥40% from 3. SEVEN. In the entire NBA. 91-92 NBA: 9 players shot ≥40% from 3. 92-93 NBA: 12 players shot ≥40% from 3. 93-94 NBA: 10 players shot ≥40%. Again, in the ENTIRE NBA. 50 players today are shooting 40% or better from 3. Fifty. More players than actual teams. Let's shorten the 3-point line. 94-95 NBA: 22 players shot ≥40%. Still less than HALF of today's. 95-96 NBA: 28 players shot ≥40%. 96-97 NBA: 17 players shot ≥40%. Players were so bad at shooting, that shortening the 3pt line actually made them score less while 3pt attempts increased by about 50%. The line was shortened to improve the low scoring, but this made scoring worse, causing the NBA to move the line back to its original spot. This isn't recency bias. They are objectively shooting the ball better now.
The one thing thats not taken into account is the attempts. In the 90s some teams weren't taking as many as many as some players do today, the emphasis was on the post game and midrange. Since 2002-03 until now the league wide 3pt attempts per season have increased to 50,000 more attempts league wide. So no guys werent shooting as high of a percentage but when you're only shooting 3 a game then each missed 3 is "weighted" more towards your percentage. If they went 1-3 thats 33% where as today guys can go 4-10 and you've got 40%.
@@mikerobinson6969why do you guys go to great lengths to avoid the fact that the players today are better? Every statistic suggesting it is met with an excuse
@@tiktokformenofculture9753 because its not better, how is watching a game filled with traveling, carrying, inconsistency in calls, lack of defense, making up rules like the gather step to make it even easier to travel, threes flying from anywhere and everywhere, the lack of basic post and midrange fundamentals fun to watch.
Dude rule changes is why guts "look" amazing carrying the ball. Back in the earlier NBA days if you hand was not 100% on top of the ball it was a travel. That is the major difference in plsy style of going to the hole. Yeah I love seeing Jack up 3s only offense it soooo good. Wait no. Yes rules gave handicapped defense. I would love to see how few charges guys take now. You might see one a game. It's turned from a game with set rules, to entertainment with so many fouls that are lame that guys barely try on defense anymore. I want to see a little skeleton try and drive on the old pistons or knick teams. These stick big men would come up limping and bloody. You saying almost every amazing center can't play on this NBA. Your crazy if Shaq was your center you would adapt to him simple.
I used to think the same thing but then u realize… ALL THE PLAYERS IN NBA BACK THEN COULD DO WHAT THESE PLAYERS ARE DOING AND MORE but it was frowned upon or depending on ur age slowly seeping into the league… even playing low level bball like myself creativity and wild shots were a sure way to the bench… it was fundamentals and coaching but to think that those players didn’t do some WILLLLD shit on the playground is disrespectful and ignorant
Why nobody talks about carrying in these videos about offense production in the NBA? There is no carrying calls anymore, hello? I am the only one noticing this?
Jamal Crawford would never play Jerry West because he would be out of the league for so much carrying, unless he changed his game. My point being, why nobody talks about this? 10 years ago players didn't blatant carry every possession, what happened?
Jamal Crawford was never even an All-NBA player in his era. Yall equate flash with athleticism as automatically being better. Plus if you're actually focused on the game, you'd notice that a lot of this "skill" simply boils down to the NBA refusing to officiate the game properly.
Offense now are too good for the defence ISO ball is not that relevant anymore and people actually hit their open shots now not like in the era where you throw the ball to the big man in the post you
Dude, You need some serious update on rules. Trae can't get those fouls anymore because the rules has changed. JJ Redick was spot on when he recently explained that NBA is implementing rules in favor of defense almost every single year lately.
Not way better, they don't rebound, pass, steal, block, better they shoot and dribble better, the dribbling is just the rules changed to allow player to do more, go back and look at the And 1in the 90s and the Globetrotters in 80s, they could do the same crap back then.
@@mjsup1okay you can use the literal best passers of your era as an example but the average player today is a smarter passer than the average player back then. And Jokic/Bron are some of the best ever
@@amarevanhook7453 I don't think so, LBJ has a lot of turnovers so die Magic, Jokic is great but not greater than Bird, passing, and let's not forget the lead assist leader of all time John Stockton. Listen, you newbies seem to think are better now but the simple fact is it hasn't been long enough for evolution to have taken place, you are simply looking at one thing and saying look that's better not understanding that there are trade offs. Technology is the only thing that has improved people aren't bigger, faster, stronger, smarter, when apply a skill to something we often don't focus on all skills applied to that something just what we need at the time it's always been that way. The NBA is a different game now then it was back then so the skills change with the times. The only thing that might be in today's NBA is that everyone seems to be on a more even skill level per player, back in the eighties nighties there were more diversity, you had specialists, you some teams that were run and gun, and some were half court sets, some were really physical, some were Defensive some were Offensive and it was a battle on who's strategy was the best. Now with analytics all the teams are basically the same shoot threes, spread the floor drive and kick, high pick and roll give and go. I like the Nuggets they seem to have a little of everything.
BS. The league is shooting threes because it leads to more points (add hand checking and see what happens) and technically are more efficient (but players are now 2 dimensional as a result). But a well rounded team - a hard nose defensive team - will once again dominate the NBA. It’s not because players are so much better, it’s because it’s just not popular to play this way. Someone could master the sky hook today and completely dominate the NBA. Kobe would tear through today’s weak defense (and Jordan even more). Players aren’t better, they are more one dimensional. Regressions do happen, not just progress. Jordan was a 4 dimensional player. Could post, could shoot mid range, could play defense and could take you off the dribble. How many players can do all of this today? Who? At an elite level in each category?
We’ve seen hard nosed defensive teams in the recent era (Jazz, Grizzlies) and they went ringless Your average player today is way more skilled than the average player from the 90s. You use MJ as an example but he’s literally the GOAT and not representative of your average player back then
@@amarevanhook7453you can stop saying average player cause the average player back then would just thrive in today's garbage game while the average player today wouldnt even get off the bench back then. Silly kid
It’s not the players fault they don’t play defense?😂 the effort on defense is not the same not even close.. the refs do fuck it up also but if the offensive players stop crying over guys playing hard defense they will allow more
Well in terms of putting the ball in the hoop the new gen is way better If you put an average 90s team vs an average team now, the 90s team is getting killed
I'm sorry but this video is just off the mark. To start off man Steve kerr always has some shit to whine when they lose it's one of my least favorite things in the entire sport. Second of all if we wanna talk about fouls and free throws, attempts per game were actually slightly down in the 2010s and so far in the 2020s than in the 90s when defense was supposedly at its peak and the offense couldn't do whatever they want. Yes there have been rule changes that have made offensive efficiency go up, but to blame the entire spike of offensive efficiency on that is just wrong. When you look at defensive rating by year since 1990 it paints a very specific picture. Defensive ratings haven't spiked until the last few seasons, staying pretty consistently between 104-108 from 1990 all the way to about 2019. The reason for the spike in defense ratings recently isn't free throws or a lack of defence or rule changes, it's just offensive efficiency. Every team takes 3s now, they've eliminated for the most part the most inefficient shots for more efficient ones, and everyone can shoot. I also think it's really funny you brought up a player like Drummond and how it's sad he can't play anymore when he has never made an all defense team, but yet is currently starting for the chicago bulls and having quite a lot of success. I normally like your videos but this one felt like you just went with the mainstream narrative without actually checking to see if the facts backed you up.
@@nonamewillbegiven defense gets played if you watch the games, it’s just much harder to play due to offensive development and spacing with the amount of ground you have to cover. And as far as new offenses being efficient, we’ve literally had statistical jumps in efficiency for offenses dang near every year, every passing year there’s a new “best offense ever” due to the potency and efficiency of offenses now.
Funny how wrong you are. If today's players are so skilled offensively why have all the rules changed around travelling and carrying to make it easier. If your better it follows that the rules should be made even more strict. Combined with freedom of movement rule changes, defensive 3 seconds and no hand checking it all starts to make your take look inflated. Also players today have much less competitive spirit. The culture of the nba thinks taking games off and playing limited minutes for longevity is cool. Players of the past pushed their physical limits to win games and in general weren't motivated by individual stats. Playing the most minutes and games was a badge of honour as was playing through injury. I don't think you understand how that sort of mindset would look against today's players. Look at how poorly the Olympics team played at the world cup. Based on your point of view those players are far more skilled than previous generations and yet they look so average and resort to iso offenses as soon as the defense starts to look anything close to what it was in the past. The game has become positionless and one dimensional. It's a copycat league so you have nothing to compare it against. If you think kobe wouldn't destroy this weak league you are delusional. Also I would take West over Crawford any day of the week. He was the best defensive player and a far better scorer as well. Also he had one of the most competitive mindsets there have ever been in sports. Crawford wouldn't even want to take on the challenge and would likely chicken out.
@@amarevanhook7453 definitely feel old. Just curious why you don't see the points being raised as anything more than that. I guess we are all doomed to grow old and wish for better times.
@@brendonhowe2158 you are right about that I think NBA offenses are just way more efficient And mechanical, with more spacing to facilitate easier scoring. Maybe it’s not as fun to watch
😂 Spoken like a true zoomer. We used to hear how the NBA was so much more athletic than the past, and how yesterday's stars wouldn't make it today. Now the most unathletic guy in the league today is winning MVPs.
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bring back handchecking
handchecking not stopping shit 😭😭😭
@@Axzideyes it is, that’s what they changed to score more.
@@FlawlessVegaMichael if you play pro basketball you nkow that handcheckin still exists but it's kind less effective just on off arm swipe and he is gone
@@FlawlessVegaMichael no it’s not. illegal 3s and or the players just being overall better at basketball increased scoring more.
@@FlawlessVegaMichael also, hand checking still exists and it rarely gets called lol
I get crazy offense sells to the casual if you’re stat checking on IG and stuff like that, but man, crunch time situations in a close game are so enhanced by good defense, it makes every bucket feel like it was earned in a war
I'd argue It's not even defense. Look at all the uncalled travel, ball carrying, moving pivot foot. In today's NBA you can walk all the way from LA to NYC back & forth w/o being called for travelling once so of course players gets a ton of space for easier offensive stats. Imagine you as a defender guarding opposing wingers, it's hard to time your jump to block his shot. Why? B/c you don't know how many steps he takes after having control of the ball. You think by 3rd step he has to shoot so you jump only find out he moves the pivot to get one more step to dodge your block and refs let him get away with it while you in the mid air look like a fool mistiming his jump. He may add another 2 hop-backs before releasing the ball. It's ridiculous. Today's good offensive stats are all phony.
the iconic bulls vs knick "smith game" comes to mind
Idk why people think defence is boring, accommodating to the taste of the casual viewership is necessary for a business but it’s killing the game, they need to find a middle ground. Even the best defenders nowadays feel underwhelming
2010-2016 was perfect
Right. Remember during the playoffs you'd see crazy defensive plays right when you'd think a player was about to score a bucket at the rim? It was exciting seeing the ball ricochet all crazy after am insane block. That's what made the NBA, especially during playoff time, so exciting to watch.
Also, remember back then the playoffs is where players actually got better because the intensity was so much higher? Remember the commentators use to stress players with no playoff experience need to experience it so they can improve their game? Now the playoffs look and feel like regular season games. You don't see defensive intensity like that anymore.
@@SoICYDRE66280s - 00s defense were lethal
Bring back traveling and palming the ball. If they are so much more skilled then call the game like it is supposed to be called at any level. No more gather step, super Euro step and carrying the ball and defenses will be better equipped to stay in front of players.
Yes please! And the offensive foul should be called way more often
The gather step has been around for ages hasn't it? I think it just wasn't abused as much. Still legal but I wouldn't be that mad about it getting removed.
carrying makes sense but whats wrong with the gather step
@@yerrrrrrrr4567there is litterally no point to it
@@maartenvzand lessen dimmensions of the court
Pop has the new 19-year-old kid Wemby playing 20 minutes a game. The NBA is ass now, I try to watch, but it's so dull with load management and the 50 3-pointers a game.
This overload of offense just makes the game boring. Watching someone take an easy trip to the basket isn't as entertaining as people think when it's a regular occurrence. If you strengthen the defense and actually let them play, it makes the offense more interesting because you know when your team scores it's because they're actually good enough earn it. These players today just got no dog in them, and you need it to not only play defense but fight through it when the game going to the wire.
Yeah i rather have some scores here and there instead of every minute. It makes the scoring more valuable.
Normally I'm good with the takes but you missed something Goober. Everyone travels and carries, with some being extremes of it like Morant, Harden or Lebron, but it's mostly a league thing. If they'd call travels players would SEEM less skilled.
Imagine Pistol Pete Maravich getting this leeway to dribble and finish? Hell imagine any offensive player pre this era having that much leeway.
Iverson who was famous for his crossover was called on carrying often and the media, players, coaches, franchises complained they didnt call it ENOUGH. Added like you said the foul calls today. If you pin point the moment when they really started giving leeway it coincides with the extreme boost in pace more than the 3 pointer has which says a lot.
Yes all the reasons you mentioned are all a certain factor, but IMO the foul calls and non calls for travels and carries just makes it impossible for a defender to stop a player.
Not even talking about handchecking. Just those two things majorly killed it even without handchecking.
Hell this maybe a video idea for you; how everyone travels and carries today.
Also Luka puts his hand under the ball every time he dribbles, Curry takes a million steps before pulling up, Draymond, Looney, and Bam Adebayo have never set a legal screen in their careers, and guys like Lebron, Giannis, and Embiid commit an offensive foul every time they drive to the basket
I want to see prime Pistol Pete play in the three point Era. The man was pulling up from Curry range before the 3pt line existed.
@@chrilpy Zero lies told my man.
@@egglordsasuke8532 I always considered Pistol Pete the player with the best touch ever and the most creative passer ever next to ofc being one of the best passers ever.
Excellent take
Can you imagine the league with todays offense mixed with 90 defense?
I would love to see that
I’d love to see Bill Laimbeer clothesline Embiid midair
What so you mean with 90s defence? Illegal defence where you cant play helpside defence if your man is above the free throw line? Thats the reason there were so many post ups/isos. The main reason the score was low in the 90s was because the pace was very low (because Everybody glorified the grit and grind Detroit bad boys style). Meanwhile the first year the Pistons became successfully they were still allowing 104 ppg (late 80s), similar to the best teams right now. Why? Because the pace was higher in the 80s
Yeah it's called the 2000's.
2000's defense maybe. 90's defense was still partly just punching people you aren't good enough to guard.
NBA nowadays sucks ass, no defense anymore, games with almost 300 points, changes need to be done
Its a glorified scrimmage with fans.
1. Eliminate the carry.
2. Stop calling fouls for breathing.
3. It's a 3 if and only if the player shoots AND lands behind the 3-pt. line.
It's not that players got better, it's that they get away with alot. They don't call carrys, walks and they put the 3 seconds rule so centers or players can't be in the paint. Its clearly players not better.
I still think players are somewhat more better. The threes and athleticism are through the roof but they soft asf.
The way referees continue to call fouls, in a couple of seasons NBA games will become Globetrotters vs Generals games...
All you have to do is look at that Thunder-Hawks game from a few days back. There is no reason for final scores like that to be the norm in the NBA
Allow limited hand checking: Let players hand check only beyond the 3 point line. That'll bring some of these 3 point shooters back into the midrange game since they're getting harassed outside the line.
Heavily restrict moving screens: Blow the whistle even if a toe is moved. That'll slow down players using screens to get open looks. It'll reward good coaches for coming up with good schemes and slow down the half court offense a little. You can't just pick and roll your offense all game and defenses won't have to switch as much and give away mismatches.
Start calling travels/carries again: These easy cross and slash to the rim moves are getting cut out.
Those 3 things could take 20 points off the game for both teams and get the scoring back to 108-105.
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Move the 3 point line back by 3 feet. Guaranteed that will drop league 3 point averages which will force teams to think twice before shooting the 3. That is a step in the right direction to making the game go back more to the mid range game.
Guys can go 0/5 from three today and still get told to shoot it back then you go 0/5 you better get comfortable on the bench
eventually the game will evolve and coaches will start telling everyone to stop shooting to many 3s, that's the point, it takes time for things to be adapted and for things to change@@drechillin2154
They are "more skilled" now because they can travel for hours and its ok.
Change Def 3 seconds to or 5 or 6 seconds
NB 80's > NBGAY (today's NBA)
Defense sucks cause it's taken out the game.
Ayo that derozen pass was crazy I didn't even hear about it
The NBA has been fast paced and high scoring every decade other than the 90's and 2000's, but people act like every other decade was like those decades. Contrary to popular belief, "hand checking" doesn't stop people from scoring as much as they want to pretend that it does. The current Pacers are playing beautiful basketball, everyone is making good passes to the open guy, and people are knocking down their open looks. No rule can stop that.
It's funny you say that handchecking doesn't stop people from scoring that much when the commissionaire literally explained they got rid of handchecking to open the game for the smaller offensive players more so. Anyone that played ball themselves know it's way harder to go past someone if they can basically break your momentum basically pushing you wherever they want with handchecking. Hell why do you think that players who both played in that era and this all say no handchecking is easier offense?
The very fact that they will call a foul on someone handchecking which is now an 'impeding path' blocking foul or ofc a shooting foul, literally means it's easier for the offense to get by. You know how players put players in the cookie jar like KD's move? Yea that would just be an offensive foul with handchecking instead of free throws. Those stepbacks players make nowadays? Try to pull them off when somebody is allowed to stay in your grill with his hands without it being a call like Harden constantly got.
You can literally read about this and all other rules they implemented to do so like the 3 seconds rule. I could even search the link for you so you can read yourself.
@@Herosenninthe Denver nuggets averaged 120 ppg in the 80s with hand checking in place, no flagrant fouls, barely any threes and bad spacing.
Thank you! Finally someone who did his homework
@@maartenvzthat’s one team dummy
Spacing is what makes the offense so inflated nowadays. You lessen the dimmensions of the court the harder it will be to score.@@maartenvz
Just watched Doncic score 73 and defense was like an All Star game…and we all know what a great entertaining product that turned out to be…..I honestly think they’ll have to take away the 3 point line altogether eventually to make the game watchable - there has to be some competitive defense or the value of each individual possession keeps becoming worth less (think about how this contrasts with how each snap in the NFL or each at bat in the MLB keeps the viewer’s attention)
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You make a lot of great points in this video, well done! One thing to highlight is the increase in pace which naturally leads to more scoring. The 7 seconds or less suns would be last in pace in todays NBA but also in the 80s. The denver nuggets averaged over 120 ppg in the 80s with hand checking in place, bad spacing and barely any threes. They just kept running.
Your point on the rules is spot on though. Offensive players get away with travels, carrying the ball and offensive fouls that arent called. Thinking basketball made a great video on how the rules have changed over time to benefit the offensive player.
Nuggets averaged 119 ppg in the 80s. Not 120.
tbh with the demars assist point, if you look at highlights from back then a good 75% of guard ones are them throwing the most insane passes of any era
Yup saying Penny and Magic didn't have passing, lol watch older games.
@@bigdye1976 man even back in the dayyy you had cousy,west and pistol slinging that thing, these guys skills are massively underrated considering how neutered their offence was by the rules
@Virgil191 yup. So many amazing passers.
Adam silvers NBA is unbearable at times. It angers me that all he cares about is money, while he watches the refs take over the game and players scoring 40 points a night off of 20 free throws a game.
If Jahlil Okafor were an NBA player in the 2000s, Okafor might have been a star player.
Oh yeah. Pity. If you add the uncalled travelling, the ridiculous amount of 3 pointers and how just a bunch of players have the possession of the ball most of the times, well you get this decaf NBA.
I miss so much the 80s and 90s.
Goober with yet another BANGER
I'm still waiting for someone to explain how players are so much better today and the Miami Heat mad the Finals with Jimmy Butler and a bunch of guys. That team doesn't make it past the second round in the 90s
"Jimmy Butler and a bunch of guys" 😭😭😭😭 please don’t expose yourself like this. players are better nowadays because they’re more skilled, athletic and just overall more versatile.
there were starters in the 90s that couldn’t dribble with their weak hand
The game is bigger than ever, the talent pool is bigger than ever, sports medicine is the best it’s ever been. offensive and defensive schemes have gotten better over the last 30 years. So you want us to believe everything gets better but the players? go kick rocks oldhead
@Axzide lol. You mean like Jaylen Brown. Smh, you still didn't explain how Jimmy Butler got that trash ass Heat team to the Finals. Jokic can barely jump over a paper plate, yet he dominates the league (but guys are more athletic, right), Giannis isn't a great dribble, shooter, and is limited in the post, yet he's a top player, gtfoh. This product is trash that's why nobody watches. Watching the Nba now is like watching a glorified All Star game. If you don't know the game then just say so
@@mauricewells7838maybe they weren’t trash? and the fact that u mention jimmy over and over just proves that you don’t know who bam is which means u have no right to a basketball opinion. Jokic is a good shooter, a good post player and the best passing/playmaking center of all time.
@Axzide the same Jokic that got outplayed by a past his prime Dwight Howard, but ok. If you think Jokic has more in his bag than Hakeem, then your tripping and need to get a new supplier. And Bam is a good player but again, that Heat team isn't getting past the second round in the 90s. Plus wasn't there a day last week were 6 teams scored 140 regulation points? That's some great defense being played huh. Watched Espn earlier, and they were complaining about how the Lakers can't shoot. But you're right the skill level is so much greater, smh
They should've never changed those rules
meanwhile in the euroleague,,ey the pivot can live in the zone
Adam Silver thumbnail scares the hell out of me. Thanks Goober! I hate it 😭
Love the vid though ❤️
Glad you’re back!
I welcome the evolution of floor spacing offenses in the game, but there should also be new rules and restrictions for offenses to go along with it. Defense isn't impossible to do in the modern NBA, it's just that defense is a lot more scrutinized by officiating than offense because it's a more physical and hectic practice.
I think it's fair now to implement new rules on offense, or at least strictly enforce existing rules, so that offenses can still improve and defenses can still be relevant.
I haven’t watched ur channel in a while but I love you
Kerr complaining about officiating is hilarious. Part of why the warriors have been the most dominant team of the past decade is their ability to get away with illegal screens. Also Curry gets free throws almost every time he’s touched and throws a tantrum (and his mouthpiece) when he doesn’t get the call
Your right about the first part but curry is perhaps the most disrespected superstar in terms of getting to the line. He doesn’t get the whistle as often as he should.
Kerr is getting desperate because the warriors dynasty is over, why not blame the refs instead of your badly constructed roster and shaky rotations?
JOKIC last season had more BLOCKS more STEALS more DEFLECTIONS more defensive rebounds than GIANNIS.
JOKIC plays smart defence...
You should make a Alex Caruso video in honor of defense dying
1:28 actually it was the spurs that exploited this with their "beautiful game" play style. The warriors noticed this and took it to another level with Steph and klay's incredible shooting
please get rid of defensive 3 second violation. as an european used to play FIBA basketball cant watch NBA anymore… seems like a circus to me
love the videos! you should make a full video on Kenneth fried, Terrence ross or Gerald green :)
Nobody really even full court presses now adays
I wouldnt say the Warriors figured out that the 3-pointer was effective. It's more that they happen to have to of the greatest shooters ever in league history on the same team at the same time.
You need a brain scan if you think they are better today!!..'GET SOME HELP' 😆🤣🤣😂😂😂
This NBA would kill the likes of MJ, Magic, Larry and Wilt
If these players today are way more skilled then why the NBA allowed 3 to 5 steps to create a lot of space? Believe me, if they revert back to 2 steps then their numbers will go down drastically. They're not smarter nor more skilled, they're being fed well 🥱
If they went to 2 steps the league average would go down like 3 points, they still make 2 step baskets all the time. Not everyone dribbles like Ja Morant
@@amarevanhook7453keep trying kid
I mean Drummond still has MONSTER games in chicago
My mom's legs? Aww man...
I miss The Manimal😢
"teams still play defence"
>Hawks and pacers
>Magic and T-Wolves
Babe wake up new nbagoober13 video
Yeah I've grown to despise it
The Bad Boy Pistons of the 80's would get killed in today's NBA
Not even. Try harder kid
I think you should be able to have 3 sucker punches per player. And three jumpings per game. That would allow real defense back into the nba
Bring back no 3 second violations
Defensive 3 is useless with all the spacing today
Goober my fav youtuber
Compare 3-point shooting efficiency today vs. 30 years ago.
90-91 NBA: Only 7 players shot ≥40% from 3. SEVEN. In the entire NBA.
91-92 NBA: 9 players shot ≥40% from 3.
92-93 NBA: 12 players shot ≥40% from 3.
93-94 NBA: 10 players shot ≥40%. Again, in the ENTIRE NBA.
50 players today are shooting 40% or better from 3. Fifty. More players than actual teams.
Let's shorten the 3-point line.
94-95 NBA: 22 players shot ≥40%. Still less than HALF of today's.
95-96 NBA: 28 players shot ≥40%.
96-97 NBA: 17 players shot ≥40%.
Players were so bad at shooting, that shortening the 3pt line actually made them score less while 3pt attempts increased by about 50%. The line was shortened to improve the low scoring, but this made scoring worse, causing the NBA to move the line back to its original spot.
This isn't recency bias. They are objectively shooting the ball better now.
The one thing thats not taken into account is the attempts. In the 90s some teams weren't taking as many as many as some players do today, the emphasis was on the post game and midrange. Since 2002-03 until now the league wide 3pt attempts per season have increased to 50,000 more attempts league wide. So no guys werent shooting as high of a percentage but when you're only shooting 3 a game then each missed 3 is "weighted" more towards your percentage. If they went 1-3 thats 33% where as today guys can go 4-10 and you've got 40%.
@@mikerobinson6969why do you guys go to great lengths to avoid the fact that the players today are better? Every statistic suggesting it is met with an excuse
@@tiktokformenofculture9753 because its not better, how is watching a game filled with traveling, carrying, inconsistency in calls, lack of defense, making up rules like the gather step to make it even easier to travel, threes flying from anywhere and everywhere, the lack of basic post and midrange fundamentals fun to watch.
They weren't bad at shooting, they just weren't shooting threes like that you I/diot and they ain't better now just cause they shoot 40 threes a game
Dude rule changes is why guts "look" amazing carrying the ball. Back in the earlier NBA days if you hand was not 100% on top of the ball it was a travel. That is the major difference in plsy style of going to the hole. Yeah I love seeing Jack up 3s only offense it soooo good. Wait no. Yes rules gave handicapped defense. I would love to see how few charges guys take now. You might see one a game. It's turned from a game with set rules, to entertainment with so many fouls that are lame that guys barely try on defense anymore. I want to see a little skeleton try and drive on the old pistons or knick teams. These stick big men would come up limping and bloody. You saying almost every amazing center can't play on this NBA. Your crazy if Shaq was your center you would adapt to him simple.
The Trae Young stuff is bs, whoever initiates the contact should be called for the foul.
The Euros can’t slide their feet
I used to think the same thing but then u realize… ALL THE PLAYERS IN NBA BACK THEN COULD DO WHAT THESE PLAYERS ARE DOING AND MORE but it was frowned upon or depending on ur age slowly seeping into the league… even playing low level bball like myself creativity and wild shots were a sure way to the bench… it was fundamentals and coaching but to think that those players didn’t do some WILLLLD shit on the playground is disrespectful and ignorant
Bro ... KEEP MY MOTHER'S NAME OUT YOUR MOUTH!!
If u want u can invite some hawk player in our oiling session
Why nobody talks about carrying in these videos about offense production in the NBA? There is no carrying calls anymore, hello? I am the only one noticing this?
Jamal Crawford would never play Jerry West because he would be out of the league for so much carrying, unless he changed his game. My point being, why nobody talks about this? 10 years ago players didn't blatant carry every possession, what happened?
Regular season is boring. Worthy only for a highlight reel.
get rid of the three point line
Jamal Crawford was never even an All-NBA player in his era. Yall equate flash with athleticism as automatically being better.
Plus if you're actually focused on the game, you'd notice that a lot of this "skill" simply boils down to the NBA refusing to officiate the game properly.
You a damn lie. Dennis Rodman would shut these wing players down period.
Offense now are too good for the defence ISO ball is not that relevant anymore and people actually hit their open shots now not like in the era where you throw the ball to the big man in the post you
All these guys do is iso. What are you talking about?
And the defense just sucks and guys are missing their open shots so nice try
Oh how dare they actually run a offensive play through their dominant big man hahaha
Love u goober. Also fuck the current offensive system in the league
It. The. NBA. It. Still. A. Joke. Trun the. Channel.
Naw, Jamal would get clamped by Jerru of we actually meet in the middle
Bro Jamal got 25 pounds on Jerry with a lethal dribble package I’m putting money on Mal
@@amarevanhook7453Jerry west was an elite defender and shot blocker for his size
@@amarevanhook7453weight means nothing considering Rodman and Shaq kiddo
Dude, You need some serious update on rules. Trae can't get those fouls anymore because the rules has changed. JJ Redick was spot on when he recently explained that NBA is implementing rules in favor of defense almost every single year lately.
And yet he he shot only 3% less than LeBron James at the free throw line 😂 0:58
Not way better, they don't rebound, pass, steal, block, better they shoot and dribble better, the dribbling is just the rules changed to allow player to do more, go back and look at the And 1in the 90s and the Globetrotters in 80s, they could do the same crap back then.
They def pass better lol
@@amarevanhook7453 Do they? Check out Magic and Birds best passes
@@mjsup1okay you can use the literal best passers of your era as an example but the average player today is a smarter passer than the average player back then. And Jokic/Bron are some of the best ever
@@amarevanhook7453 I don't think so, LBJ has a lot of turnovers so die Magic, Jokic is great but not greater than Bird, passing, and let's not forget the lead assist leader of all time John Stockton. Listen, you newbies seem to think are better now but the simple fact is it hasn't been long enough for evolution to have taken place, you are simply looking at one thing and saying look that's better not understanding that there are trade offs. Technology is the only thing that has improved people aren't bigger, faster, stronger, smarter, when apply a skill to something we often don't focus on all skills applied to that something just what we need at the time it's always been that way. The NBA is a different game now then it was back then so the skills change with the times. The only thing that might be in today's NBA is that everyone seems to be on a more even skill level per player, back in the eighties nighties there were more diversity, you had specialists, you some teams that were run and gun, and some were half court sets, some were really physical, some were Defensive some were Offensive and it was a battle on who's strategy was the best. Now with analytics all the teams are basically the same shoot threes, spread the floor drive and kick, high pick and roll give and go. I like the Nuggets they seem to have a little of everything.
@@amarevanhook7453yawwwn kid
Don’t talk about my mom like that man 🫤 that’s rude
Peanut 😂
BS. The league is shooting threes because it leads to more points (add hand checking and see what happens) and technically are more efficient (but players are now 2 dimensional as a result). But a well rounded team - a hard nose defensive team - will once again dominate the NBA. It’s not because players are so much better, it’s because it’s just not popular to play this way.
Someone could master the sky hook today and completely dominate the NBA. Kobe would tear through today’s weak defense (and Jordan even more). Players aren’t better, they are more one dimensional. Regressions do happen, not just progress.
Jordan was a 4 dimensional player. Could post, could shoot mid range, could play defense and could take you off the dribble. How many players can do all of this today? Who? At an elite level in each category?
U don’t need 3s to score more points 😂
We’ve seen hard nosed defensive teams in the recent era (Jazz, Grizzlies) and they went ringless
Your average player today is way more skilled than the average player from the 90s. You use MJ as an example but he’s literally the GOAT and not representative of your average player back then
@@amarevanhook7453like that supposed to mean something kid
@@amarevanhook7453you can stop saying average player cause the average player back then would just thrive in today's garbage game while the average player today wouldnt even get off the bench back then. Silly kid
sup dude
Goober make a Pat Ewing vid please
Bring bac physical defense
You’re not trying to be a douche, but you are one. ☝️
0:33 yea no you dont know this is a plant channel
bro if u was consistent on uploads i feel like u could easilly be a top 5 nba youtuber.
It’s not the players fault they don’t play defense?😂 the effort on defense is not the same not even close.. the refs do fuck it up also but if the offensive players stop crying over guys playing hard defense they will allow more
Curry ruined the.league
Yo bro this wont get pinned
Y’all love to say players are more skilled now yet only being up dribbling and 3pt shooting lol so how much more skilled are they really?
Well in terms of putting the ball in the hoop the new gen is way better
If you put an average 90s team vs an average team now, the 90s team is getting killed
@@amarevanhook7453no they ain't, nice try kid
@@amarevanhook7453the 90s team is gonna crush them especially since they play D kid
I'm sorry but this video is just off the mark. To start off man Steve kerr always has some shit to whine when they lose it's one of my least favorite things in the entire sport. Second of all if we wanna talk about fouls and free throws, attempts per game were actually slightly down in the 2010s and so far in the 2020s than in the 90s when defense was supposedly at its peak and the offense couldn't do whatever they want. Yes there have been rule changes that have made offensive efficiency go up, but to blame the entire spike of offensive efficiency on that is just wrong. When you look at defensive rating by year since 1990 it paints a very specific picture. Defensive ratings haven't spiked until the last few seasons, staying pretty consistently between 104-108 from 1990 all the way to about 2019. The reason for the spike in defense ratings recently isn't free throws or a lack of defence or rule changes, it's just offensive efficiency. Every team takes 3s now, they've eliminated for the most part the most inefficient shots for more efficient ones, and everyone can shoot. I also think it's really funny you brought up a player like Drummond and how it's sad he can't play anymore when he has never made an all defense team, but yet is currently starting for the chicago bulls and having quite a lot of success. I normally like your videos but this one felt like you just went with the mainstream narrative without actually checking to see if the facts backed you up.
Nice essay just for you to say you're wrong guy
Aint no supposedly, it was smooth brain
3s are not more efficient than mid range smooth brain
watch yo mouzh dude
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Defense itself is better than ever imo, but offense simply evolves much faster than defense. Teams have found out how to be more efficient than ever.
Cant be better than ever when no one plays it kid hahaha
And you can stop pretending chucking up 3s equals efficient
@@nonamewillbegiven defense gets played if you watch the games, it’s just much harder to play due to offensive development and spacing with the amount of ground you have to cover.
And as far as new offenses being efficient, we’ve literally had statistical jumps in efficiency for offenses dang near every year, every passing year there’s a new “best offense ever” due to the potency and efficiency of offenses now.
@@nbabackcourtmedia this is why people are not watching haha
Funny how wrong you are. If today's players are so skilled offensively why have all the rules changed around travelling and carrying to make it easier. If your better it follows that the rules should be made even more strict. Combined with freedom of movement rule changes, defensive 3 seconds and no hand checking it all starts to make your take look inflated. Also players today have much less competitive spirit. The culture of the nba thinks taking games off and playing limited minutes for longevity is cool. Players of the past pushed their physical limits to win games and in general weren't motivated by individual stats. Playing the most minutes and games was a badge of honour as was playing through injury. I don't think you understand how that sort of mindset would look against today's players. Look at how poorly the Olympics team played at the world cup. Based on your point of view those players are far more skilled than previous generations and yet they look so average and resort to iso offenses as soon as the defense starts to look anything close to what it was in the past. The game has become positionless and one dimensional. It's a copycat league so you have nothing to compare it against. If you think kobe wouldn't destroy this weak league you are delusional. Also I would take West over Crawford any day of the week. He was the best defensive player and a far better scorer as well. Also he had one of the most competitive mindsets there have ever been in sports. Crawford wouldn't even want to take on the challenge and would likely chicken out.
old head ranting
@@amarevanhook7453 definitely feel old. Just curious why you don't see the points being raised as anything more than that. I guess we are all doomed to grow old and wish for better times.
@@brendonhowe2158 you are right about that
I think NBA offenses are just way more efficient And mechanical, with more spacing to facilitate easier scoring. Maybe it’s not as fun to watch
@@amarevanhook7453it's not. Delusional kid
😂 Spoken like a true zoomer. We used to hear how the NBA was so much more athletic than the past, and how yesterday's stars wouldn't make it today. Now the most unathletic guy in the league today is winning MVPs.