I can confirm this method works great. Fixed one last year and getting ready to do another. Thanks Brian for taking the time to post this info. I use this method over buying a new Chinese piece. Thank you!
Glad to see a repair rather than things just getting scrapped. I really liked the idea of adding the porcelain sealing surface; I've never seen that done before. Nicely done, Brian! Sincerely, TOm Z
it's great that Deere has a kit available for you to work with. You have made a clever adaptation. It's always nice to save some antique machines; especially when you can keep it on a budget by using some brain power. Help us out with a bit more commentary about what we're watching on screen, please. I know it's tough to record during the machining operation so a little lead in commentary would help. Thanks for posting. Stay safe.
Hopefully in the next month or so I will finally earn enough to be able to invest in a wireless mic setup that hopefully will allow you to hear me talk when the machines are running. I don't know how to do a voice over or if even my software supports that. I am a better machinist than tech operator. Thanks for the feedback and I will keep trying to make better quality videos.
I am grateful that you take the time to post videos. Recording while machining is very difficult and probably not necessary. If you could just briefly tell us what cut you are making and why. I feel like there is a lot of useful information that we aren't picking up while we are trying to follow along. Don't worry, no one expects you to become a junior Steven Spielberg.
Windows has a "recorder" program, you can hook up a mike and record from it while watching your raw video. Then add the file you get as another audio track when you edit the final.
We call those seals ceramic type in the UK Brian. You could also have used some strong glue like Araldite, instead of the Loctite, but your choice. Thank you for keeping the videos coming, I look forward to whatever you post, building or machining work, you do very well for one man (and his dog) I'm sure.
Brian, If that is the same type of seal that's usdr on swimming pool pumps, They tell you if you put your fingers anywhere on the seal, always clean it with somes time of cleaner before installing the two half. Food for thought. Billy
I don't know for sure but chances are that seal is made out of polytetrofluroethelyne and not ceramic as has been mentioned a few times in the posts. It should darn near last forever. Great job fixing that seal quickly and probably economically as compared to the alternative. I will definitely remember this video for furture reference. I have also been watching all your videos on the barn shop. Can't wait to see it get done and the equipment up and running. Keep up the good work Brian and I will keep up watching. I learn a great deal from you, Adam, and both kieth's, and a few others.
Yes as I replied in some of the posts I believe it is actually some kind of plastic and not truly ceramic/porcelain. It is very hard and polished smooth. You can almost see a glaze to it. Thanks for a lead on what the actual material may be.
Had a mechanic in the shop pop a rack spring off on a 730D once and it got up there pretty good before I pulled the compression release. It was pretty loud and scary for a few seconds I think the front end was jumpin about a foot off the ground. I don't advise replicating it. The 4 or 5 grand bit was a bit of sarcasm as I am prone to that. :-)
I enjoyed the video Brian. Great craftsmanship. That's what lured me to your channel. I heard Baily in the background, but no cameo appearance or sign off to accepting your work ; ). Looking forward to the next ThisOldBarn/Shop update. Take care.
Winter blues Brian, we all get them, and take it all with a grain of Salt. Trols are people who wish they could do what you do, its a way of them making themselves feel better. Take Bailey for a long walk on a sunny day
Thanks Dale! It is a fairly common older style seal so you might run into one in real life sometime. 1st time I dealt with one it thru me since seals on the shaft are much more common than on the face.
I always think about how many owners and former mechanics these old machines have out lasted. I likely have fixed the part of this one to out last me too!
Hi Brian, good idea with the Loctite, I assume it will survive the relatively low temps in the 'water jacket'. Thanks for sharing young man. Kindest regards. Joe.
Nice to know that the 2-banger could turn 3 or 4k if needed but I sure wouldn't be anywhere around if id did. Too many large pieces flying great distances. Inspector Baily gave you the tails up so all is well. Hope you get some sun. Had to build a fire last night.
I haven't seen all jet, but i want comment on the rubber seal below the ceramic ring. I suspect that it's not only for sealing but also for alignment and pressure distribution. I can't see the other side of the seal very good an can not say if there is a system for alignment of both surfaces. A small misalignment could break the ceramic over time. But i will continue watching :-)
It is just a running face to face seal and the other half is a spring loaded ring with a rubber diaphragm to allow the ring to float and to seal the water out from the shaft. It is the exact same seal as was originally running against the machined face of the impeller that had the big groove worn in it. All I did was provide a corrosion free and lower friction surface for it to run against.
Very interesting. nicely done. good luck with the rest of the barn. did you change insulation or did you stick with the rock wool stuff? i watch all your videos but i don't recall you saying with you decided to do.
Like your videos. Any worries about the heat/cool cycles where the cast impeller will expand and contract a bit, but the ceramic will be more stable? Could it crack the ceramic over time compared to floating in the rubber washer? Or is the 150 degree + temp swings not enough to worry about the dissimilar expansion?
It is actually some kind of plastic rather than ceramic so I suspect it to not be brittle. I have done several of these over the years and it has not ever been a problem. This also is on the inlet side so it sees cool water all the time and the engines operate with 160 thermostats so the temps the pump sees is probably closer to 120f or so on the high end.
Hi Brian, Great you brought this up, this fix is for a long time, I'm just wondering if something like Delrin, UHMW or bronze would also be a possible repair in case the ceramic isn't available... Cheers, Pierre
I am sure there are alternatives but I went with the easy route and used the parts already designed for the job and environment so I didn't need to do any multi thousand hour chemical compatibility tests. I guess I am lazy like that. :-)
Nice repair and another happy customer! So how big was that 4 Jaw chucked up in your 3 Jaw? That lathe of yours is big enough it might have been a 12inch chuck for all we know :) Take Care
As I mentioned it comes in the kit from Deere for a different application. I put the kit part number in the description so hopefully people can find it if they need it. Thanks for the compliment!
Brian, watch all your videos. We have a independent AG repair shop and was curious what 2 cylinder model the impeller was off of, and what was the seal kit number you got the new pieces from? Don't see a lot of 2 cylinders but would like to keep this info just in case for future needs. Thanks
Ar62933 is the seal kit with the updated ceramic(plastic of some kind actually) and rubber cup. I believe this was a 520-530 water pump but all the numbered Waterloo tractors use the same seal I believe.
At what point in the video could you not see? I went back and reviewed it and I couldn't find any places where I couldn't see what I was talking about at least on my monitor. If you can point me towards the problem i can try to correct it.
Always good to see an old worn part refurbed and put back in business. Good idea for the repair, Brian.
I can confirm this method works great. Fixed one last year and getting ready to do another. Thanks Brian for taking the time to post this info. I use this method over buying a new Chinese piece. Thank you!
Glad I was able to help! I have some I did this way 25 years ago that are still in service. It works great.
Brian, I hope your shop foreman Bailey, liked it!! Thank you very much for the John Deere repair on a 2cyl water pump impeller! Nice job! :-)
Glad to see a repair rather than things just getting scrapped. I really liked the idea of adding the porcelain sealing surface; I've never seen that done before. Nicely done, Brian!
Sincerely,
TOm Z
it's great that Deere has a kit available for you to work with. You have made a clever adaptation. It's always nice to save some antique machines; especially when you can keep it on a budget by using some brain power.
Help us out with a bit more commentary about what we're watching on screen, please. I know it's tough to record during the machining operation so a little lead in commentary would help. Thanks for posting. Stay safe.
Hopefully in the next month or so I will finally earn enough to be able to invest in a wireless mic setup that hopefully will allow you to hear me talk when the machines are running. I don't know how to do a voice over or if even my software supports that. I am a better machinist than tech operator. Thanks for the feedback and I will keep trying to make better quality videos.
I am grateful that you take the time to post videos. Recording while machining is very difficult and probably not necessary. If you could just briefly tell us what cut you are making and why. I feel like there is a lot of useful information that we aren't picking up while we are trying to follow along. Don't worry, no one expects you to become a junior Steven Spielberg.
Windows has a "recorder" program, you can hook up a mike and record from it while watching your raw video. Then add the file you get as another audio track when you edit the final.
It's amazing the small stuff that you can handle with a little secondary chuck and a big honkin' lathe. Good fix.
Good fix Brian, you just beat deere and company out of some high priced parts, glad to see Baley.
We call those seals ceramic type in the UK Brian. You could also have used some strong glue like Araldite, instead of the Loctite, but your choice. Thank you for keeping the videos coming, I look forward to whatever you post, building or machining work, you do very well for one man (and his dog) I'm sure.
Brian, If that is the same type of seal that's usdr on swimming pool pumps, They tell you if you put your fingers anywhere on the seal, always clean it with somes time of cleaner before installing the two half. Food for thought. Billy
What an ingenious solution to the problem!
I don't know for sure but chances are that seal is made out of polytetrofluroethelyne and not ceramic as has been mentioned a few times in the posts. It should darn near last forever. Great job fixing that seal quickly and probably economically as compared to the alternative. I will definitely remember this video for furture reference. I have also been watching all your videos on the barn shop. Can't wait to see it get done and the equipment up and running. Keep up the good work Brian and I will keep up watching. I learn a great deal from you, Adam, and both kieth's, and a few others.
Yes as I replied in some of the posts I believe it is actually some kind of plastic and not truly ceramic/porcelain. It is very hard and polished smooth. You can almost see a glaze to it. Thanks for a lead on what the actual material may be.
I always enjoy your solutions to problems Brian.... Thanks and cheers from Canada...!
Looks just like a Pool pump seal , I used to be in the pool business and replaced many of those , they are ceramic seals .
Brian, if that "poppin John" is like any I have driven, I wouldn't want to be too close when it is turning 4 or 5 grand.(;
Had a mechanic in the shop pop a rack spring off on a 730D once and it got up there pretty good before I pulled the compression release. It was pretty loud and scary for a few seconds I think the front end was jumpin about a foot off the ground. I don't advise replicating it. The 4 or 5 grand bit was a bit of sarcasm as I am prone to that. :-)
Yeah I can imagine, I bet that 730D was jumping and quivering like Bailey on a cold rainy day! (;>)
Another good video,what a great repair to save old parts.The best!
I like improving parts and giving them another lease on life. :-)
Nice rescue job Brian. regards from the UK
Thanks!
I enjoyed the video Brian. Great craftsmanship. That's what lured me to your channel. I heard Baily in the background, but no cameo appearance or sign off to accepting your work ; ). Looking forward to the next ThisOldBarn/Shop update. Take care.
Tisk tisk, you must have been skipping thru the video as Baily was in it. :-)
Great upgrade Brian
Great job Brian , That will last way longer man .. Thumbs up !!
Good work Brian, a hack you say.... a savior we say.
Depends on the day and who you ask I guess, yesterday was a troll fest for some reason and I was a bit down.
Winter blues Brian, we all get them, and take it all with a grain of Salt. Trols are people who wish they could do what you do, its a way of them making themselves feel better.
Take Bailey for a long walk on a sunny day
Jointers make pretty good work benches...
Agreed, until they get covered with stuff. lol
NIce job, I have never seen that type of seal.
Thanks Dale! It is a fairly common older style seal so you might run into one in real life sometime. 1st time I dealt with one it thru me since seals on the shaft are much more common than on the face.
Very nice fix. Good thinking
Now it will run like a Deere. Great repair.
I always think about how many owners and former mechanics these old machines have out lasted. I likely have fixed the part of this one to out last me too!
thumbs up Brian, nice fix!!
Hi Brian, good idea with the Loctite, I assume it will survive the relatively low temps in the 'water jacket'. Thanks for sharing young man. Kindest regards. Joe.
This loctite is full strength up past 300F or 160C so it should be fine in the pump it also is compatible with antifreeze.
bcbloc02 Brian, great, and thanks for the extra info on the Loctite - I live and learn!! Cheers mate. Joe.
Nice to know that the 2-banger could turn 3 or 4k if needed but I sure wouldn't be anywhere around if id did. Too many large pieces flying great distances. Inspector Baily gave you the tails up so all is well. Hope you get some sun. Had to build a fire last night.
Spit snow most of the day here.
Clear and cold. Some wind but not too bad. Spring will be here in a couple of days. Really, if it don't get cold I'll have to mow again shortly.
I love seeing how people repair stuff because that's what I do, too. Something else we both do, use a planer as a table. :>)
Hard not to take advantage of a large flat surface in the shop. :-)
I think there is a condition called "flatsurface phobia", a fear of bare surfaces.
I will have to get a picture of the floor in the new shop as I will likely never see it again after moving day at least parts of it. lol
That's a fact. Send a copy to the Smithsonian for a reference to future generations!
I haven't seen all jet, but i want comment on the rubber seal below the ceramic ring.
I suspect that it's not only for sealing but also for alignment and pressure distribution. I can't see the other side of the seal very good an can not say if there is a system for alignment of both surfaces. A small misalignment could break the ceramic over time.
But i will continue watching :-)
It is just a running face to face seal and the other half is a spring loaded ring with a rubber diaphragm to allow the ring to float and to seal the water out from the shaft. It is the exact same seal as was originally running against the machined face of the impeller that had the big groove worn in it. All I did was provide a corrosion free and lower friction surface for it to run against.
Very interesting. nicely done. good luck with the rest of the barn. did you change insulation or did you stick with the rock wool stuff? i watch all your videos but i don't recall you saying with you decided to do.
I think I am going to stick with the rockwool. I haven't done anything on it yet. I hope to film my January barn update this weekend.
great job Brian howdy from middle ga
Howdy Scott, thanks for checking in!
good fix good video, hello from denmark
Thanks and welcome from Denmark!
Like your videos. Any worries about the heat/cool cycles where the cast impeller will expand and contract a bit, but the ceramic will be more stable? Could it crack the ceramic over time compared to floating in the rubber washer? Or is the 150 degree + temp swings not enough to worry about the dissimilar expansion?
It is actually some kind of plastic rather than ceramic so I suspect it to not be brittle. I have done several of these over the years and it has not ever been a problem. This also is on the inlet side so it sees cool water all the time and the engines operate with 160 thermostats so the temps the pump sees is probably closer to 120f or so on the high end.
Hi Brian,
Great you brought this up, this fix is for a long time, I'm just wondering if something like Delrin, UHMW or bronze would also be a possible repair in case the ceramic isn't available...
Cheers, Pierre
I am sure there are alternatives but I went with the easy route and used the parts already designed for the job and environment so I didn't need to do any multi thousand hour chemical compatibility tests. I guess I am lazy like that. :-)
Enjoyed...nice repair
Baily was satisfied with it.
u are good Brian
Just cause it's an odd coincidence, but the main dog character in the new movie "A Dog's Purpose" is named Bailey. So there's two good ones.
Great fix. Thanks for sharing.
Sorry about the lighting comment, I reviewed the video and I can't see the problem with the lighting.
*cleans blood from ears* cool stuff dude but damn that soldered bit was a screamer
Nice repair and another happy customer! So how big was that 4 Jaw chucked up in your 3 Jaw? That lathe of yours is big enough it might have been a 12inch chuck for all we know :) Take Care
Pretty sure that was one of those watchmaker baby 4in jobs. :-) lol
where do you source the porcelain washer? always wondered how people price there jobs. top notch work :)
As I mentioned it comes in the kit from Deere for a different application. I put the kit part number in the description so hopefully people can find it if they need it. Thanks for the compliment!
Nice one mate big thumbs up
Thanks!
Nice fix
Brian, watch all your videos. We have a independent AG repair shop and was curious what 2 cylinder model the impeller was off of, and what was the seal kit number you got the new pieces from? Don't see a lot of 2 cylinders but would like to keep this info just in case for future needs. Thanks
Ar62933 is the seal kit with the updated ceramic(plastic of some kind actually) and rubber cup. I believe this was a 520-530 water pump but all the numbered Waterloo tractors use the same seal I believe.
Awesome! Thank You.
Like old tractor repair stuff.
Will a pop'n John get anywhere near 3000 rpm? :)
Not most of them. :-)
Neat!!!!
Wood chips in a machine shop? Remember not to weld or cut till you get that cleaned up.
A farm shop is whatever you need it to be at that time.
After setting myself alight a few times, yes, sweep the floor.
Dude needs to clean his glasses. He might surprised at how well he could see.
You need to pay closer attention to your lighting, if the viewer can't make out the details in your close ups , you have wasted your time.
At what point in the video could you not see? I went back and reviewed it and I couldn't find any places where I couldn't see what I was talking about at least on my monitor. If you can point me towards the problem i can try to correct it.
Will this be the same on my John Deere 60?
As far as I know yes.