Best Stance Angles - Snowboarding 101 - Proper Binding Set Up

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  • @malcolmmoore
    @malcolmmoore ปีที่แล้ว +274

    This is a question I get all the time and I will now reference this video as the answer. I saw it pop up and to be honest I expected it to be a bit of a snooze fest, I've just watched the whole thing and found it all very well put together, entertaining, and informative - not that you need my validation at all, you guys clearly have way more experience than me! Good work with the channel I look forward to following it and seeing what comes next!

    • @tributeboardshop
      @tributeboardshop  ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Appreciate that Malcolm!

    • @j.c.316
      @j.c.316 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Malcolm! Your content is solid bro. Nice comment drop on this video 👌🏼

    • @nathanratermann9204
      @nathanratermann9204 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You have great content as well. I watch walk the time

    • @chuzzwade288
      @chuzzwade288 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Malcolm, Lars at Just A Ride puts a good case across for posi posi.
      I’m giving it a go next trip. Starting with 21 6 - usually ride 21 -3 or -6

  • @coolbathroom
    @coolbathroom ปีที่แล้ว +51

    I've been riding duck forever because...20 something year-old me made that decision and I stuck with it. It's been a couple decades since then and you guys inspired me to try out some posi posi this week and it was great. Just felt right. Turns felt noticeably stronger and it brought a smile to my face. Thanks for the video.

    • @johnsprague1678
      @johnsprague1678 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Same

    • @1Flyingfist
      @1Flyingfist ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Mind your knees though. Especially if you fall. It's an anatomically unnatural position.
      I went in the other direction. Regular and positive on both feet, to Regular and positive with zero on my back foot...
      ....to goofy with the same angles.
      Then finally goofy +15 / -15. Haven't looked back since.

    • @craigbosko2229
      @craigbosko2229 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Duck stance is VERY HARD ON THE KNEE'S.Turning left (regular stance) is easy but turning right is very hard,it can be a nightmare.

    • @Daz5Daz
      @Daz5Daz ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@1Flyingfistnothing unnatural about posi posi at all.

    • @timsawchuk8441
      @timsawchuk8441 ปีที่แล้ว

      Same story. Went with the setup that they suggested in the shop when I bought new gear last season, hard to overstate how much of an improvement it was. These videos are awesome, I’m so grateful that they are taking the time to make such comprehensive videos.
      Thanks so much guys!!

  • @KurtAndersen-cr4up
    @KurtAndersen-cr4up 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Great stuff, always positive and kind and yet with substance, and without better-knowing although you do know better than most of us! In the summer it is great to watch these videos while waiting for the winter ❤

  • @gauntlet09
    @gauntlet09 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    Great video guys. I would love to see a similar video about the positioning of the hole patterns on different boards, and mounting options of the bindings on them: ie reference stance, setback, stance width, typical measurements, etc. for different types of boards/conditions/riding styles. Keep up the good work!

  • @ayadal
    @ayadal ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Thanks for posting this. I've been riding +15 and -15 for the past two years learning switch and freestyle. My knees have been hurting after riding recently. I'm going to try +12 and -12 and experiment with other angles to see if it helps.

    • @BobJackson-zv1fh
      @BobJackson-zv1fh ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I had same issue. Went to 12 -12 and it seems to be better. 22.25 stance width Light forward lean. Union Atlas Pro's 155 & 157 T Rice Pro board. 5' 11" 210 lb 12 -9 & 9 -9 are other stances i need to try. I like to ride switch.

    • @j.p.6228
      @j.p.6228 หลายเดือนก่อน

      How did it go? I ride +15 and -15 and haven’t noticed any issues, but I’m always up for improvement. Definitely going to experiment a bit this year. I ride a lot of small hills in my area (Ontario/Quebec) so pozzy pozzy doesn’t quite appeal to me out here as much

    • @ayadal
      @ayadal หลายเดือนก่อน

      @ the +12 -12 stance does feel more natural, and I can ride switch just as easily. Give it a shot and see how you like it.

  • @Rolling2Quarters
    @Rolling2Quarters ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Local Mt. Hood boarder who has been riding every season since 1987. Just found your channel and absolutely love it. Thanks for taking the time and putting in the fine details. Keep it up. Love, New Subscriber.

  • @mankybrains
    @mankybrains ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Dang, this was a gold nugget for binding setup! Never saw anyone do this for the highback. Explained very well and advising to have those high back adjusted in alignment with the board.
    I didnt even think about it because as an beginner youd figure it would automatically work as it should out of the box for those high backs. Now time to really dial in my bindings.

    • @nickgreene5260
      @nickgreene5260 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Agree. This might be a game changer for me.

  • @jasondavies9667
    @jasondavies9667 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Spectacular video guys. Love the deep dives from guys that have lived this since the beginning!

  • @haydenmurakami3614
    @haydenmurakami3614 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I work at a snowboard shop up in Washington, and man have I learned a lot from you guys, thanks for spreading the knowledge!!

  • @petehelme7714
    @petehelme7714 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Great discussion. Doesn't Terje Håkonsen often use 24/9? Which for a freestyler was considered crazy.

    • @tributeboardshop
      @tributeboardshop  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Share was referring to 90's Terje ! Yes he was using less angles later in his career but usually posi back foot!

  • @Badgers_beard
    @Badgers_beard ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I've been +15 -15 for as long as I can remember, I don't ride switch much on my Solomon sickstick, so thought I'd try something different.
    This evening I tried +21 +6 at Seymour, game changer.
    Thank you guys

  • @cedricsportes3928
    @cedricsportes3928 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Guys, I have been watching hours and days of videos and read articles on this exact subject and this vidéo you just made is the most outstanding, learning and genuine analysis I have seen. Very objective and also rich in options and ways to improve. Thank you very much 🙏🤟

  • @Daz5Daz
    @Daz5Daz ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Any negative back foot angle causes me knee pain and has for years. These days I stick with +30 +12. Sucks for riding switch of course but looking after my knees is the higher priority. Posi posi with a directional all mountain board is still a riot and I'm happy with my setup.

    • @GC16199
      @GC16199 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I am definitely going to try it as well, been riding for years +18 - 6 and a always struggle to get a good heel carve. And also knee pain at the end of a long day.

  • @neverforgettr2276
    @neverforgettr2276 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks very much. After all these years, learning new stuff about my snowboard is still super fun.
    Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

  • @sherpa6071
    @sherpa6071 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    INCREDIBLY useful video lads. Thanks for all of the info. I'm a CASI level 1 and learning new stuff every day. Take care and happy shreddin'!

  • @warrens4808
    @warrens4808 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This has got to be one of the most credible and highly engaging video on stances out there. Much appreciated! Over the years I've had 15-18 in the front and +3 to +6 in the back, and typically 18/+6. More recently I've been riding 18/-6 in the back to open up my "squat" (call it age-related). It has not overly affected my carving. I have 21/-6 and maybe 21/0 on the list. The only things I would have liked to hear more about is your thoughts on width. It was there when you talked about boarder-cross, but I'd love to hear more. (PS My second board, which I still own is that same tattoo Kelly 161.)

    • @warrens4808
      @warrens4808 ปีที่แล้ว

      FWIW... I rode 21/-3 this weekend and also narrowed my stance to ~21" and had a blast. This is a slight change from 18/-6 at 22" (and 21.5"). I am not sure if it was the rear-foot angle or the slight narrowing of my stance, but my hops were much better. Then again, it might have just been the pump from making the change... 🙂

    • @crowe9385
      @crowe9385 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So, I’ve been laying trenches since the 80’s (first real board was a gnu antigravity black n green). I’ve always been a 21/+6ish. About 10 years ago I went duck to 20/-8? Carving didn’t suffer at all. I think the biggest thing is having a board that is stiff and likes to turn. I did the rocker thing for a bunch of years. I could carve, but you really have to adjust your weight to get it locked in. I ended up back on a Jamie lynn with all the camber still riding duck, but I think I’m going to go back to a fwd stance for a bit. Bring a screwdriver and play with your angles. You learn a lot about what comfortable is. Holy ramble. Sorry lol

    • @warrens4808
      @warrens4808 ปีที่แล้ว

      I am re-watching this for the many-th time and I'll ask again for your musings on stance width. Mark, did you say you ** reduce ** your stance to 22 3/4" for boarder cross? I think you're 5' 9" (my height), and that stance seems very wide. I remember trying out 23" back in the day and it came with a chain wallet... For me it is max 22", otherwise I start to lose leverage when I ollie.

  • @scfussen166
    @scfussen166 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Would love to hear Mark's thoughts on cants and boot choices in the formula of stance set up.

  • @jimmin4483
    @jimmin4483 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    One of the best things about snowboarding is there are so many ways to enjoy it. The only governing bodies are fun and stoke. Great job in covering different styles with equal enthusiasm. Been doing this since the Sims yellow banana days and it’s still fresh, thanks to open minds like yours.

    • @snowboardguru6794
      @snowboardguru6794 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I wish. The governing body of snowboarding in the USA psiaaasi
      has become a low level cult. Teachers now can’t even conceive of how to do synch turns or figure eights and the training is so poor that they can barely ride difficult terrain or bumps. 🤦‍♀️

  • @curt7174
    @curt7174 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nice work on this vid. When I’m asked to help new riders I always start by having folks think about and play with binding angles and width. This is a great resource.

  • @theleedoism
    @theleedoism ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One of the best discussions on the topic I have seen. Thanks!!

  • @sethmolano2150
    @sethmolano2150 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Mark for the gold! I helped shaping up the lbs course. Way to hold it down. 👊

  • @checker_boarder
    @checker_boarder ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love your stance on stances! Riding my first boardercross this weekend, usually I run +15/-6 for freeriding, but will be running +30/+9 for better turning and (hopefully) speed!

    • @surflasal
      @surflasal ปีที่แล้ว

      @Suz You could not be more wrong.

  • @lukedesaulniers5943
    @lukedesaulniers5943 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Your videos get better and better! Loving the nerd wisdom of you fellas. Spittin truths in the lounge.
    P.S. I’m anywhere from 21/-6 for freestyle to 30/12 for carving. Stance gets progressively narrower too, and I custom select my stance every day based on board, conditions, and mood. ❤

    • @tributeboardshop
      @tributeboardshop  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Much appreciated Luke!

    • @DenisEneotescu
      @DenisEneotescu ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You go narrower the more "carvier" you go, right?

    • @lukedesaulniers5943
      @lukedesaulniers5943 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@DenisEneotescu yes that’s common practice. 👍

    • @lukedesaulniers5943
      @lukedesaulniers5943 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Suz All opinions are welcome! And I'm curious to hear your input on stances.
      I'm just reporting what I've used and what I've seen in my many years shredding.

    • @lukedesaulniers5943
      @lukedesaulniers5943 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Suz It comes down to comfort and range of motion for me. My duck stance allows me to have a slightly wider stance but as I move my back foot more and more positive, I'm forced to narrow the stance to keep the same level of comfort and range of motion.
      Why are you so adamantly against a narrower stance for carving?

  • @dpj9421
    @dpj9421 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    FINALLY!!! BEST VIDEO!

  • @wannagoforarip3131
    @wannagoforarip3131 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Noice. I keep telling my kids, simply having a Dad(or mom, or buddy) that can set up your bindings correctly early on makes all the difference in the world i the beginning, and even as you progress. The mysterious art of binding setups. The Well done, dudes.

    • @hudgypudgy2960
      @hudgypudgy2960 ปีที่แล้ว

      Been snowboarding once or twice every year since 2014... Wish I had someone who knew all this stuff! You're awesome

  • @timrross
    @timrross ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great video. Very thorough.
    I have always thought about binding angles from a biomechanical perspective. When I do a squat, I want my knees to point over my toes. If they don't, it puts a lot of stress on my knee joints. Whether my knees point over my toes depends on my natural turn-out, and how wide my stance is.
    You can try it for yourself:
    put your feet 12 inches apart, pointing at 0 degrees and do a squat. your knees will point straight forward. Now, rotate your feet out to +20 -20, and do another squat. Your knees probably still want to go straight forward, but it feels much more uncomfortable on the inside on your knee joint.
    Now, get your feet wide at 24 inches apart and try the same thing. With your feet pointing at 0, your knees will point outwards and stress the outside of your knee joint, but with your feet at +20 -20, your knees will point over your toes, and it will feel natural.
    Obviously, this is an extreme example, but it illustrates the point.
    So, for every individual, there will be different angles that feel perfect, depending on how wide you have your feet. You can use those angles to work out the "difference", and, like you said in the video, that should be used to workout what your back binding is at for a given front angle (posi/posi, duck stance etc).
    Everyone is different, so experimenting with stance is the best thing to do to get it dialed in.
    I had a friend that rode +12 on the front, -18 on the back, because he broke his ankle once, and the back foot healed crooked!

    • @stolimano3723
      @stolimano3723 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      This is really interesting. Gonna use this. I’ve been running too wide a stance and it puts too much stress on the inside of my knees. Thanks

  • @chrissladden4593
    @chrissladden4593 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just tried your Kung fu posi posi googy style, +30 +9 I've been heading that way for some time, needed the extra push to go past +21. Really worked well until lunchtime when it all went to slush, found I was to nose heavy. Defo gonna experiment with this more next season. Thanks guys

  • @johnfrank9060
    @johnfrank9060 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was a big help. Moved my bindings around angle, front to back and the high back for my super pig. Made a big difference! Thank you for a great video

    • @hazza788
      @hazza788 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm on a war pig running +15/ -6
      What have you found works for you on the super pig?

  • @pollystyrene99
    @pollystyrene99 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is the best vid I've found to discuss angles, thank you. I'm mostly hardpack riding and trying to learn switch, and I'm currently set up with +12 & -6 but I might start playing around given all this new knowledge. Next, I'm off to look for content about women's all mountain boards. I'm wondering if the new feelgoods differ much from the old ones.

    • @markfawcett9654
      @markfawcett9654 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      With respect to Feelgoods, depends how far you go back. Night and day difference between a 2010 and a current one. a 2-3 year old one will have a lot of the same tech as current. The core profiling and camber lines being the major difference maker, making then board hold better on firm snow, flex more evenly, and rises-up better in powder. If you put a lot of miles on boards, burton is likely one of your best bets for boards with longevity.

  • @livefreeandshred9818
    @livefreeandshred9818 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is a very interesting video. I have been riding 15/-15 forever from just riding a ton of park when i was younger. Having taken like 8-10 seasons of just going 1-2 timea thats just what i went to by default. But now im getting an all new setup (directional all mountain board) i think im goijng to change it up and test some different stance angles out

  • @jconwaypr
    @jconwaypr ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Glad Burton combined the channel disk and 4x4 disk to one re:flex disk. Centering the binding on a 4x4 board is easy but can be challenging on a channel board because the adjustment option on a re:flex disk is around 1/4” increment for channel while 4x4 is a much better 1/8” increment. I had to drill 2 channel holes on the older re:flex 4x4 disk to center large step on binding’s (boot size 11) on a Burton Skeleton Key XX.

    • @markfawcett8142
      @markfawcett8142 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ive been looking atr doing something similar with my step-ons !! ( for a different reason )

  • @TheMallepietje01
    @TheMallepietje01 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    best one I have seen on stance ever...

  • @jayeye4798
    @jayeye4798 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow! I've been riding since mid '80s. I never knew about adjusting the high back to be parallel to the board! I've always noticed the adjustment on my Cartels, but never thought anything of it. I will be making that change! Great video!

  • @noptimized
    @noptimized ปีที่แล้ว

    I’ve been putting the Burton no-back on my rear binding on my powder boards for years. Love that slashy, surfy ankle mobility.

  • @OftenMissing
    @OftenMissing ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video, I love Apex Mountain I grew up on it when the old Gun Barrel was there. Now rocking Mt Cain

  • @hamie811
    @hamie811 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Kevin jones one The greats in my books. Something like +15 front - 21back. And was sick too. Just watch any of his part’s 🤙🏼🤙🏼🤙🏼

    • @markfawcett8142
      @markfawcett8142 ปีที่แล้ว

      Kevin is amazing !!! Ahead of his time. I work with an adaptive athlete who has a heavily rotated Tib Fib on her back leg. She runs front 24, rear -45 !!!! Different strokes for different folks.

  • @drummerAVA
    @drummerAVA ปีที่แล้ว

    Just bought a new DOA 158, and I have 10.5 boot… typically rock around a 15-5 stance… 😬 a little concerned about heel/toe drag.
    Hopefully no issues when I get out there!

  • @shea4615
    @shea4615 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Best video for this newbie about angles. I'm definitely one of those people that just put +15 -15. Excited to try your suggestions. Thanks guys.

    • @ClosestNearUtopia
      @ClosestNearUtopia ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree on a duck stance throwing off the stability for ollies, it also gives lotsof strain on the back knee I feel. Due to this I now ride +16-6, will probably go for +13-6 to see how it will feel, +13 0 is not my way to go.

  • @zweitao5257
    @zweitao5257 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is so inspiring, gonna adjust my bindings now and find out the difference tomorrow. Great content!

  • @pondsk8er851
    @pondsk8er851 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love the vid guys I come from a same background as you with stance being from the UK so riding in Europe most of my early days then went to lake louise in 99 for the 12 week Casi course and changed my stance amd riding style totally 😀 😊

  • @corran-soul
    @corran-soul ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’m an old racer gone snow surfer, and like Mark, I move my stance around a lot. Different boards respond better to more or less stance angle, and different conditions also require that. Generally I vary from +45/15 on my directional groomer carver, to about +35/10 for open powder bowls, and closer to about +25/5 for trees and steep terrain. I also like a super flex boot, and very flexible binding almost always so I can have ankle rock and roll on the board like a surfer. Even my stance width will vary from between 20.5” to 20” depending on boot angles. But even on the same board, I might start the day with more angle, and as conditions deteriorate during the day, I might relax the angles in the lift line to handle more challenging terrain. I only ever ride duck in park on a true twin.

  • @Nick_Logan
    @Nick_Logan ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Radiology tech here. FYI, ducking your feet allows better mobility in hips for getting low and doing grabs easier. More zero angles will limits hip flexion. Since I just turned 40, I’m ducking my feet out more to compensate for loss of mobility

  • @Indarow
    @Indarow ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I run +13, -13 and I actually enjoy it even for carving, which is my primary riding style.
    I’ve tried setting up positive positive, positive zero, but the posi negative just feels right for me.

  • @Aaron83W
    @Aaron83W ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent video guys! This helped me a lot.

  • @MickeyT34
    @MickeyT34 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    How much overhang is too much (roughly)? I have about 2 or 2.5cm on my toe and heels with my setup…love the content

  • @easternsierrahikeandfly
    @easternsierrahikeandfly ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This is video is what boarders need to see! Really well done explanation styles of stances and how it works for different aspects of snowboarding.
    I’d like to hear more about the high back critiques for carving, upper body motion and edge engagement from the body to board with different mods of a high back and maybe binding riser pads or canted binding foot beds.
    Recently I cut my front high back in half and I usually run a 0 to +20ish and so far its allowing for me to sit back while in a heel side carve but I’ve yet to try no rear high back but seems like a good option for pow?? Anyhow it seems that subject could also have some light shown onto.

  • @homealone5087
    @homealone5087 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In regards to that toe and heel adjustment, i was centered with mounting forever so I always juat put them in the center disc hole. One day I looked down and I was way heel heavy. With boots shrinking over the years I slowly got further on the heels. Now I slam them all the way toe side to stay centered. If boots get any smaller I'm gonna be screwed.

  • @powdertrax9742
    @powdertrax9742 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    First off congrats on your Banked Slalom win this weekend Mark, as a past competitor of the LBS I know how much fun and challenging it can be. My buddies and I started riding Baker in ‘85 and some of us are still going strong today as recent retirees in our mid 50’s, keep up the good work representing us old rippers.
    My stance for the last 39 years has pretty much stayed at 18° - 0° (the Baker stance as you referenced), but I’m thinking of switching it up a little to 21° - 6°, as you stated our “freestyle” days are over as well, but I still love carving groomers and of course fresh powder bowls or tree runs. I’ve also recently due to knee injuries added more lean to my highbacks which felt like it relieved the pain in my knees and made me use more quad muscles.
    We are expecting a storm Tuesday night so we’re all heading up Wednesday, I’ll log back on later in the week and post my finds on the new angles. Congrats again and enjoy that duct tape trophy there aren’t many of those out there.

    • @powdertrax9742
      @powdertrax9742 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Well the predicted storm came dropping 17” mid 20’s temp and bluebird (rarity in Washington State) so I was eager to try out my new stance. As I’d mentioned I moved them to 21° and - 6°, I also rotated my highbacks more to put them inline with the heel edge. The stance difference felt fine (small changes) but twisting the highbacks more to run parallel to the heel edge made a big difference, more comfortable and better heel edge turn initiation and pressure.
      Thanks for the tips, see you can teach an old dog (56) new tricks

    • @markfawcett8142
      @markfawcett8142 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@powdertrax9742 Stoked some of our tricks worled well for you !! And thanks !! Always an honour to race the Banked Slalom at Mt Baker

  • @MilatheCat01
    @MilatheCat01 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Moved to +15 -3 for Zermatt tomorrow a lot more positive than I’m used to so stocked to give it a go

  • @scottmauricio8301
    @scottmauricio8301 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can’t even put into words how bad ass you two are!!!! Thank you!!!

  • @absher2241
    @absher2241 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I switched to posi posi this year and it made a huge difference in my carving. +25 / +5. Can’t believe it took me 30 years to figure that out. Haha

  • @matthewallen4366
    @matthewallen4366 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is what i have been waiting for! well done guys 🙌🙌

  • @kevinmolloy4512
    @kevinmolloy4512 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Any recommendations for burton Step on set up - especially the high backs? Or do you not ride them?

    • @tributeboardshop
      @tributeboardshop  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Check Out our Episode on Step Ons! Should answer any questions - and yes we do love em!

  • @matthewpontifes7534
    @matthewpontifes7534 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thank you for breaking the norm because every time big channels would recommend angles its was always +15/-15 and Ive always felt scared to change but I also find I am not confident on popping and being in the air and feeling stacked when I land. SO THANK YOU! Also how do you have positive stance and able to not get kicked off balanced? Just getting used to it? Any recommendations on someone riding the Transition finder? I ride +12/-12 and I feel like going from my heels to toes my tail feels like it nicks a little bit? Almost a catchy feeling? Not sure... and Id love to pop more and stomp landings better but I always feel weird... of course probably me as a rider but any thoughts are appreciated!!

    • @tributeboardshop
      @tributeboardshop  ปีที่แล้ว

      Cheers Mathew! WE recommend trying 0degrees on you back foot with the T.Finder , have your front at 15degrees and see how that carves!!

    • @markfawcett8142
      @markfawcett8142 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hi Matthew. Also, try sliding your stance aft a set of holes. Catchy tails are often an effect of being too far forward on the board, yeilding a long tail.

  • @maximilianomas8747
    @maximilianomas8747 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome video guys. Just bought my first board NITRO TEAM True Camber after renting for 10 years. I guess rental set up is always duck. I mostly like carving hard so I will defenetelly try posi posi maube +21 / +6, plus I will rotate the high backs. Cheers from Argentina ;)

  • @adam1887
    @adam1887 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great content. I'm a CASI 2, about your age, and never experimented with posi-posi. Last night I went out at my local on my Yes Decade with 30-9 and I must say it was a revelation. I've never ripped a heelside carve back uphill as easy as that. Am I correct to assume I should ride this stance a bit wider than normal due to the loss in stability caused by this posture?

    • @markfawcett8142
      @markfawcett8142 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Adam. There are no rules. If you feel unstable, and more so, if you find it is difficult to push the back leg out aggressively, you should try widening then stance...particularly by sliding the back foot aft.

  • @jonbrown9490
    @jonbrown9490 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great Video! More like this would be awesome. I would love to hear your thoughts on CASI and/or PSIA-AASI more or less controlling snowboard instruction. I taught a little after a lifetime of riding and couldn't help but think that the way they want you to teach snowboarding just didn't feel right.

    • @myfukinarmhurts
      @myfukinarmhurts ปีที่แล้ว

      yesssssssssss

    • @JoeSmith-ru9xu
      @JoeSmith-ru9xu ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Copy that Mr Brown. I instruct at a very high profile Mtn in the Tetons known for its Natural Selection terrain. The AASI cert process and the robot style of riding they promote is soul sucking.

    • @markfawcett8142
      @markfawcett8142 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      In the CASI / PSIA's defence, its WAY easier to set a general strandard than to give beginners a zillion options that they will not understand until they become "snowboarders". That said, I wish they would focus a bit more on assiting their instructors to discover their personal stance thru self disection.

  • @neilgendzwill3260
    @neilgendzwill3260 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The more forward you go the less splay you need/want, or at least that’s what I find. Hardbooters are typically 5 or 10 degrees. I run 55/50 with hard boots and 27/12 in softies.

    • @ToddSnow
      @ToddSnow ปีที่แล้ว

      55/50? Tf??

    • @sqd849
      @sqd849 ปีที่แล้ว

      What do you mean by splay?

    • @colbert6122
      @colbert6122 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sqd849 difference between front and back foot angles

    • @neilgendzwill3260
      @neilgendzwill3260 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ToddSnow 55/50 is a pretty common stance with hard boots. Some go even steeper. You can’t practically go that steep in soft boots. But if you look at the carving videos coming out of Korea and Japan you can see some really aggressive forward stances in soft boots. Some of those guys are running 40 degrees or more on the front foot.
      ETA by hard boots I mean plastic shelled boots with plate bindings like the racers use. My setup looks similar but is not as stiff as racers use.
      And yes, splay means the difference in angles between front and back foot.

  • @finboyYYC
    @finboyYYC ปีที่แล้ว +7

    25 minute tribute video? I’m here for it. Would love to hear more on stance width for each condition (powder vs groomers vs all mountain etc.)

    • @snowboardguru6794
      @snowboardguru6794 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Right. So much blah blah blah and so much of what they say is not correct at all.

  • @user-fu2qc6cv7b
    @user-fu2qc6cv7b ปีที่แล้ว

    On the Burton "Step On" bindings, how do you adjust the high back angle so it is more parallel to the board's edge? Thanks for the content, more please!

    • @bboy2sik
      @bboy2sik ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You can’t on the step ons unfortunately

  • @markfield8168
    @markfield8168 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Fawcett’s face when Korua video is mentioned 😂

  • @TheDerekHyde
    @TheDerekHyde ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Congrats on the win!

  • @CASIACMS
    @CASIACMS ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Such good and valuable info here! Thanks! 👊🏻👊🏻

  • @morscodez
    @morscodez ปีที่แล้ว

    Since day 1 decades ago I've run -9/+15 and never touched it. Stoked to try this out this season. Just to clarify, you're suggesting hardpack\groomer +9/+30, Spring\Slush -6/+21, All Mountain\Pow between -6/+21 to 0/+27 based on conditions, and finally shit conditions 0/+27 ?

  • @keithrice3165
    @keithrice3165 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I went pos/pos on my antigravity and thought for sure I would hate it. That board rips now.

  • @stufish73
    @stufish73 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Recommended angles for riding a short, fatty pow board (Burton Bottom Feeder)? Also would you recommend a stiffer or softer binding, as i have both. Thanks

  • @slawekzalewski2695
    @slawekzalewski2695 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fantastic video. I ride +18 +3 but going to check more aggressive forward stance. And I thought I knew everything about mounting bindings! Almost didn't watch that part lol. It didn't cross my mind to rotate the front highback to make it more parallel with the edge. Greta video. Btw, where would you say Union Force bindings sit in terms of smashing groomers in resorts? Just bombing down the slopes, no park. I have been riding them for a while but never really had a chance to try something else.

    • @markfawcett8142
      @markfawcett8142 ปีที่แล้ว

      Union Forces are excellent all mountain bindings, grommers included. Some of the super stiff bindings are actually too responsive while riding higher speeds on groomers. Some of our CND national SBX team athletes ride forces in their races.

  • @jcraff3
    @jcraff3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Question when adjusting the high back to the edge. I actually only adjust the rear at least for my directional days. My thought process is that my forward motion is pushing me backwards like when in a car, and I use the front foot high back to actually stay angled with the front binding as it creates a “seat” for the back of my leg and mass to be held by while charging forward. And I adjust the rear foot high back parallel to the edge for the softer play and to obviously help the negative angle of that back binding. Thoughts? Or always adjust both? Your mass may lean backwards yes but I find you’re also getting pulled backwards when picking up speed so I try to compensate and please both worlds

  • @MrSmith-rk4jq
    @MrSmith-rk4jq ปีที่แล้ว

    great info. been riding +15/-6 my whole life and it def works great for all conditions. just getting into more carving on groomer days so ill have to try a posi posi one of these days

  • @Sminnn
    @Sminnn ปีที่แล้ว +3

    this has to be one of the best videos explaining stances and everything binding related. thanks guys!

  • @lewishewitt4924
    @lewishewitt4924 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi guys 👋 love your videos.
    I am getting into carving and have now started riding posi posi. I ride Burton ion step ons and I love them but you can’t rotate the high back. Do you know what angles would be to much for the step on system?
    Thank you

  • @TheSurfRyder
    @TheSurfRyder ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What are your thoughts on step ons?

    • @tributeboardshop
      @tributeboardshop  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Se have a great episode on Step ON a few back - check that one out!

    • @markfawcett8142
      @markfawcett8142 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      LOVE THEM !!!! see our episode on them.

  • @FilmsbyRob
    @FilmsbyRob ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The CASI "+15 / -15 stance was a baseline for beginners. A beginner could do the early stages of the lesson like straight running, "falling leaf" and traverse to a turn very easily. Even if they thought they would ride with one foot forward over the other, then realize at a point during the lesson that they were better off with the opposite foot forward, they were ready for that. If this rider ever went past a beginner lesson, they would be encouraged to try other stances, based on the type of riding they wanted to do. Much like this video, a rider could only discover this idea of varying angles to stance IF they went past the initial stage of a basic beginner outing and progressed on to wanting to learn more.
    As the presenters say, these angles are very close to what most top park riders run at single-digit, equal angle, centre-stance, + front, - rear setups.
    That said and like the presenters, after almost 40 years of riding, I have less than 30 degrees of splay and have pretty much settled on +28 / 0.
    A big factor in being able to stay with a flatter back foot (which will always be better for any non-carved turn) while ALSO being able to carve like a demon is to own a WIDE board. The industry is certainly catching on, but boards minimally above 27 cm waist widths are an absolute necessity for any rider with a boot size above a US 9. Builders like Stranda, Donek and Yes (with the Optimistic) make wide board that also have decent effective edge. Most wide boards by main stream manufacturers are also short... This loss of effective edge means less support in a carved turn. They are easy to flick around, but if you are heavier and taller, a longer board is better for carving. To maintain manouverability boards with shorter tails and bigger noses are the ideal. The short tail gets out of the way for a quick turn, while the longer nose holds you up in powder and at the start of a powerful turn.

    • @markfawcett8142
      @markfawcett8142 ปีที่แล้ว

      I could tell it was you (R.S.) within the first two sentences. Love your insight !!! Keep it coming !

    • @Ras77Pmo
      @Ras77Pmo ปีที่แล้ว

      For wide and long boards, made for carving and freestyle carving, japanese market 👍🏼👍🏼 My 148cm Rice28 has the same effective edge than my burton 152, and 1cm wider for full tilt carving. They just have so many options

  • @veraciousreasoning863
    @veraciousreasoning863 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you do a similar video but with flow bindings? Or can you break down it in the comments? I have the flow fenix

  • @ericfamily7155
    @ericfamily7155 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video. All mountain rider. Prefer the trees for powder.
    Front foot is 14 back foot is 0.
    Perhaps I should experiment with different snow.
    I do have the Orion RP roberts bundings. They do have the top strap that you can change.

  • @dpj9421
    @dpj9421 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So do you center the boots alone or does that also include the heelcup for the heels and the toe of the boots?

    • @markfawcett8142
      @markfawcett8142 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Just the boot soles....do not include the heelcups, as they are really far off the snow compared to the boot soles.

    • @dpj9421
      @dpj9421 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@markfawcett8142 Thank you so much! So just centering boots on the board, but must also find where the center of the boots is in accordance to the center of the feet? As that is the center of mass? Or regardless of the feet, just the physical boots?

  • @SlayBoredom
    @SlayBoredom 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I remember at some point, I probably was still a teen, they said „we now ride duck-stance (negativ-positive) and I just went with it. Got into surfing a few years ago and always wondered about this stance on my snowboard, but never changed it!!! I think this stance is big part of the reason I lost my love for snowboarding (going like 4-5 days a season max. and I live in the middle of Switzerland, so I would have paradise). Rode posi-posi last weekend while testing a new board and it felt like… like falling in love all over again after 10 rough years

    • @davemitchell3998
      @davemitchell3998 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What angles did you go with?

    • @SlayBoredom
      @SlayBoredom 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@davemitchell3998 I went with +9 (backfoot) /+21 (front) first, now +9/+24. I go snowboarding today testing it, but I think my backfoot is too aggressive.
      how do you ride?

    • @davemitchell3998
      @davemitchell3998 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Last trip was +21 / -9 and before that 15/-15…
      Mostly ride resort so next time out will try posi/posi ( say +27/+3 ) and see how it feels

    • @SlayBoredom
      @SlayBoredom 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@davemitchell3998 yea, sometimes we forget to challenge the settings we have set years ago and test new/other stuff.

  • @TheresaKinard-su8ey
    @TheresaKinard-su8ey 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hello! Thank you so much for this video. I am a beginner and in my second season (dozen+ trips), after watching this and a few other videos, I changed my angles from duck (12/-9) to 18/3 and thought it really helped me improved my turns. I am not confident yet but I was really excited that I thought these changes were helping me progress. However, I recently chatted with a more experienced rider who told me that +/+ was not good for me as a beginner and now I am a questioning all my life choices 😂. I am just interested in cruising (and be able to safely avoid obstacles) and I felt really good at 18/3 but I am wondering if this will set me up for “bad habits”?

    • @tributeboardshop
      @tributeboardshop  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If that change helped you , then you are on the right path! We often start riders at +27 and +3 and see this help people
      Progress faster ! Some
      Freestyle riding requires a duck stance so all depends on what your interests are - stance is always changing , we never say to set one for all areas of riding !

  • @hx20303
    @hx20303 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I dont want to change angles based on conditions, and often you’ll go through a wide range of conditions in a single run. My goal is to find a best compromise setting for everything. Sure a +30 +12 will be great on fast hardpack going fast but then you’re committed to just that condition. Maybe I missed it, but I didn’t hear you talk about riding fakie which sucks with higher posi posi.

    • @Daz5Daz
      @Daz5Daz ปีที่แล้ว

      Posi posi works in all snow conditions and all types of terrain. Riding switch sucks with a lot of rear posi of course and that can't be fixed. In fact it really transitions into riding backwards if you see what I mean. Personally for me and my needs it's worth the compromise most of the time. I will occasionally change my rear stance but typically only if I'm spending time in the park which I do rarely as its not really that interesting to me.

    • @rolandczechowski9812
      @rolandczechowski9812 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      0 in the back and +18 in the front is, in my 35 years of riding, the perfect all rounder

  • @drivecalgary6095
    @drivecalgary6095 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am a goofy. trying to get better at switch riding. I have a twin board. What would be the most effective angles for my bindings? Thanks. Also, I remember watching Mark blow out his bindings at the Nagano Olympics.

  • @CheeseOnEverything
    @CheeseOnEverything ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I find that -12 / 12 is the best. I ride in both goofy and switch so directional binding setups don't work for me, and I'm sure thats why most ppl prefer that stance.

  • @p.VAZ.
    @p.VAZ. ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Most definitely appreciate this detailed content👍👍

  • @joeldavis3152
    @joeldavis3152 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great info 👍

  • @MarcosPolos-w4j
    @MarcosPolos-w4j ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi guys, was nice to listen to you.

  • @Jagi125
    @Jagi125 ปีที่แล้ว

    I do have a lot of problems on my heel edge and I ride 9°, -9°. I didn't know that it could be due to that negative back foot. I made it a point to always switch the direction each ride/trick/etc. and I'm still keeping it this way. But it's cool to at least know that it could be the reason why it's so difficult.

  • @duselwusel4569
    @duselwusel4569 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for this video guys, you helped me learning how to set up my bindings and understandings of it.
    i do have a question: i wanna learn how to ride switch and been riding +30/+15 before, which angles will i choose for this? will i go 12/-12 or something positive like +18/-9? considering the mentioned study with 30degrees.i tried 15/-6 today for the first time was a difference. thank you for your reply!

  • @markdunlea6523
    @markdunlea6523 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really enjoyed this video. And love the easy to digest feature/benefit of each scenario.
    For my fellow Sasquatch riders looking to carve on a groomer day. Any tweaks to your recommendations???
    Board: Donek Knapton Twin, cambered, 165 cm. 30.5 cm waist, 8.95 m sidecut.
    Boot: 14.
    Resorts: North Lake Tahoe.
    Thanks

  • @awiegwa
    @awiegwa ปีที่แล้ว

    Sounds like you are saying the front binding should be placed on the reference marks and then you move the rear binding to your stance width. Seemed like you were mentioning that places the front foot in the proper place on the sidecut. Did I hear that correctly? Then it seems my symmetrical placement of both bindings might not have had my front foot in the best place.

    • @tributeboardshop
      @tributeboardshop  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Its a solid place to start but often the terrain or type of snow ( ie POWDER) may have you set that front foot behind REF as well!

  • @T1LowAltitudeFlight
    @T1LowAltitudeFlight ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video, one of the best I've watched explained binding setup. I'm a fellow Posi/Posi rider @ 23/15 riding almost exclusively freeride/swallow tail boards. I'm thinking I might try a little less on my back foot for tree riding.👍
    Also never thought a bout the highback rotation, I broke my leading one just as you'd describe. I run hard boots splitboarding now.

  • @martinbailly573
    @martinbailly573 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I did looked at the Korua video and I can assure you that Mark Fawcett has a much better technique that the Korua guys. Please Mark, make a video on how to properly carve on a free ride board ! Thanks for these very interesting videos !

    • @markfawcett8142
      @markfawcett8142 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks Martin... .I'm on it !!!

    • @martinbailly573
      @martinbailly573 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@markfawcett8142 Fantastic……looking forward to seeing it and learning from the master !

    • @martinbailly573
      @martinbailly573 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Mark, I was just watching this video again , why don’t you hook up with Lars at @justaride to make your video and discuss technique !

  • @benbarber1863
    @benbarber1863 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great Vid guys! Love a nice geek out on board set up

  • @sendybro1347
    @sendybro1347 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ive tried to get my stance down to +12-12 but really stuggle to get a deep squat due to how my hips lock out. Tried +15 -15 for a few months with many different widths but find when im at +18-18 i can do a deep squat while staying straight in the back. I imagine this would help with grabs, pop and stability as ill be more centered on board. What you guys think ?

  • @oneitalia
    @oneitalia ปีที่แล้ว

    Great Topic Well reviewed and super informative - Thanks for the info

  • @dilligaf2403
    @dilligaf2403 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    love your shows thank you

  • @russbritt4100
    @russbritt4100 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    60° front binding canted up on the toe and canted in toward center of board around 8° of canted both directions........45° rear binding canted up on the heel and canted towards center of board with again about 8°of canting but I make deep ruts

  • @chuzzwade288
    @chuzzwade288 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Ok boys. So I’m going to try posi posi.
    Watching this though should I?
    We will obviously be riding piste, but will always be hoping/looking for pow!
    So would +21 +6 have a detrimental affect in pow?
    I really want to try posi posi but if we’re riding both piste and pow should I ride what I’m used to?
    This season I’ll be in a Korua trani finder and Supermatic’s

    • @tributeboardshop
      @tributeboardshop  17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Those Angles will work great in any Freeriding and Pow situation! The posi on the Back foot helps with hip alignment and if you are mostly riding one direction - this is ideal!

    • @ChuzzWade
      @ChuzzWade 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@tributeboardshop Whoop whoop! Stoked to go try… just gotta wait until the end of January 🤞🏼 for pow!

  • @hackendan1921
    @hackendan1921 ปีที่แล้ว

    Couldn't like this video enough! Super informative! Thanks guys! Subbed

  • @lukedesaulniers4215
    @lukedesaulniers4215 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    To be clear, which hiback does Shane sometimes remove? Front or back? How much forward lean does he have on the remaining hiback? Cheers! LOVE the content as usual.

    • @tributeboardshop
      @tributeboardshop  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Usually the front / but sometimes the Back if its harder conditions ( Like our team Rider Takumi does) - the front gets a Burton "freeback" which is about 2" tall - they still sell those and its a amazing in Powder !

  • @TRIKushbeachside
    @TRIKushbeachside ปีที่แล้ว

    I know that you kind of touched on it but how can you tell if you’re boots/bindings are to large for a board? I live in FL and only get to go a week or 2 a season so I don’t have a lot of experience/time to test out these types of details myself really. Right now I’m using Burton EST Malavitas (L) with Burton photons (11) and I’m riding a 58 Custom Camber with 25.4cm waist. I know that I’m kind of on the edge between being okay or just over sized. I’m a decent boarder for the limited amount I get to go and don’t fall very often but every now and then I’ll grab an edge or so I though, maybe it was me booting out instead? I know the binding has the adjustable footbed but I’m not sure what the best way to have that set is? If I have the footbed fully compacted it easily fits inside of the deck but if I take it one notch larger it goes right to the sidewall of the deck. Just curious if it better to have the footbed extended slightly to support the boot or is it better to have the footbed well inside the deck and just have my toes hang over the footbed slightly more? Sorry for the nitty gritty question I just don’t have anyone to ask. Also in terms of the boot size vs waist width what would you say is the max amount of toe/heel hang before you’d want? Thank you

  • @JohnnyBalazo
    @JohnnyBalazo ปีที่แล้ว

    Damn it, wish I found this video during my season in Australia. I've been running -12 +15 since the beginning but now I'm wanting to practice carving properly. I'll need to try posiposi next time!!