It's remarked in A Storm of Swords that Robb would stare at maps for hours on end without moving at all, which I think is implied that he is warging without knowing it.
Robb Stark…..The Young Wolf, King in the North, as Jaime Lannister once said "He won the war on the battlefield and lost it in a bedchamber," and he did ultimately lose and for many more reasons, but for a young kid tasked with carrying his family’s fate on his shoulders, no father to guide him as he had lost his head, a grieving mother making rash decisions herself, siblings who he thought to be either held hostage or plain dead, allies whom were presumably trustworthy but actually politicking behind his back and more or less orchestrating his downfall, was he not set up for failure all along? No, he didn’t help himself with his decision-making off the battlefield and family certainly didn’t help his case either, nor did his presumed allies and close 'friends,' but the Game of Thrones was working against him. He no doubt impressed in 'The War of the Five Kings' as a shockingly rich mind for battle and warfare, when he had just been thought to be nothing more than a 'green boy,' outsmarting Tywin Lannister on the battlefield and even capturing his golden child/heir in the Whispering Wood. But…..He was always fighting an uphill battle, always at a disadvantage. In the books the Red Wedding was 100% a political mishap on Tywin’s part because its not only registered Robb as a martyr to the Northern folk, as a boy King who called his banners, rebelled against the Throne, and was only k*led by way of betrayal and pure treachery along with his mother and still loyal banner-men, as someone killed under the sacred guest right, but its painted the Lannisters, Freys, and Bolton’s under a worse light than ever. In the books, the North/Manderly’s are rebelling against the Bolton’s, the one true King Stannis Baratheon is retaking the North, Jon was supposedly legitimized by Robb himself and named heir to the North, Rickon is alive, Lady Stoneheart is looming, exacting revenge on the Frey’s/Bolton’s/Lannisters, and maybe plotting a Red Wedding 2.0…..Moral of the story is, Robb Stark will be remembered as the young, first 'King in the North' in 300 years time, as an honourable, just man with a good mind for warfare, and as a player in the 'Game of Thrones' who won every battle but lost the war. [P.S. my thumbs hurt :/]
@@deandremallory3842In the books yes! Jeyne is still alive in TWOW and could even be featured in the prologue. I accidentally wrote *wife* instead of *mother* 🥴
Robb made so many unfortunate mistakes in his campaign it's so sad. But I think his single most grave mistake was only giving Edmure vague instructions on what to do with the Lannister forces and even worse than that was killing Rickard Karstark. But can you even blame him when he was 16 years young going up against the most powerful man in the realm?
Honestly I second the Edmure decision but his most grave mistake was blindly trusting everyone. Then not suing for peace once his cause was lost. When he lost Jaime the war was basically over
No the worst mistake was accepting being named king in the north river lands and trident. That alienated all of the potential allies. Without the vale it would be very hard to win the war because the north forces were small.
It’s amazing in the books how they set up the Frey and robb tension. From recently reading the books it’s also crazy how he has no POV chapters. Please read the books if you’ve only watched the show.
The show opening episode 2X4 got battle of oxcross grey wind attack them two solider then the music kick on then the chant KING IN THE NORTH!! Get chills every time I watch that part. Richard Madden was a great cast as Robb.
Tbf in the War of the Five Kings he did the most damage, a 14 year old "green" boy won more battles than seasoned veterans of wars like Tywin and Stannis, Balon too if you count his rebellion
Many people say Robb is at fault for the whole Edmure thing, but in reality he really isn't when you come to think of it. Robb didn't make his plan when he was in the riverlands and could inform Edmure he was in the westerlands were the risk of a raven getting shot down or a messanger getting intercepted were too high to risk such sensitive information getting intercepted by the Lannisters. Robb had no choice in the matter and was just hoping Edmure would obey his orders, though i agree his orders to Edmure were to vague.
The reason Robb expected Edmure to obey his orders was due to the military situation in the Riverlands when he left. The Riverlords and the Lannisters had been fighting all over the place with little result and Robb and Edmure had already spoken about the danger of Marching on the Lannisters with the force they had. He also expected Edmure to know the Lannister army was coming to him( even Cat knew there was no reason to fight)
He made a few mistakes, but the first mistake was made by his mother: capturing Tyrion for no reason, and then taking him to a sister she barely knew anymore.
wish you went into the battle of the red wedding. It was pretty intense how everyone but robb dies his first death (kind of weak compared to the guy that did everything he could to release the direwolf, which then let robbwind get a little taste of vengence at least).
The Young Wolf, Robb Stark, first King in the North in 300 years. The last one being Torren Stark, the King who Knelt. Overall, Robb made a few mistakes, ones that eventually cost him, but considering his age and unexpectedly receiving such heavy responsibility... I understand. A shame how it ended, but he was a solid tactician while it lasted.
I've always thought that. Ned was highly respected by Dayne too. However he was part of the rebellion that killed Eilia but then again he did also strip the mountain of his titles
@@kaihiggins725 yeah and both wanting independence since their are no more dragons/ Targaryens that they knew of at the time would also help an alliance. The only thing I can think of is it would be hard to reach Dorne but not really since Cat was almost there when she met Renly
@@sufianabuahmad7781 exactly. But even then a promise to get revenge against the Lannisters and the mountain would work. However it may conflict with the Targaryen restoration plot
Robb biggest mistake is not killing Jaimie as soon as Ned died. The Lannisters supposedly had his sisters but if they kill Ned they got to respond in the same way especially to make the Karstarks happy
The Karstark’s “happiness” was not more important than his sisters assumed safety. Killing Jaime would’ve meant Cersei would take it out on Sansa (and Arya had they had her)
@@sierrabird3817 They were in war and as such they had to assume they were already dead after Neds execution. + How is keeping a large bulk of your army happy less important than your 2 sisters? Had Robb keep on winning or had Stannis taken Kings Landing, Cersei + Joffrey would kill Robb"s sisters. And Im not speaking about the overwhelming win for his troops and possible allies to be the one to kill The KIngslayer, best Swordsman in the realm, Son of the mighty Tywin. More would the Freys be confident about the Red Wedding if Tywin couldnt even protect his favorite son?
@@tereza1959 What bargain? The Lannisters killed Ned. Jaimie killed the Karstark Lord sons. If you are Robb the possibility of a bargain is so much less important then keeping the Karstarks happy. +Killing Jaimie would decrease Tywin reputation as "The Most Powerful Man in Westeros" and diminish the minor Houses fear of Tywin.
@@rmv02 The Lannisters have Sansa, if Robb kills Jaime, Cersei kills Sansa, if they used Jaime as a hostage they could negotiate the release of Sansa and other things from Tywin.
Thank you for your wonderful video. Only a few people have covered, what I call, the Robb chapters. Well, these chapters should be from Robb's POV. They are some of my favorite chapters. These chapters are an interesting review of medieval battle tactics. I would say having Robb S. and Tywin L. POV's would have been wonderful. Especially Tywin, when he was hanging out at Harrenhal.
Just a note about Grey Wind and the secret path. I don’t think there was anything magical there tbh I think Grey Wind just led them there because he was sniffing out the goats looking for something to eat.
@@D.Rodrigues_18 100% but Robb should have listened to her about not trusting Theon, about not killing Rickard Karstark and about keeping Greywolf close to him and trusting Greywolf's instincts. But yes Catelyn was completely wrong letting Jaime free.
Robbs biggest mistake was accepting being named king in the north river lands and trident. That alienated all of the potential allies. The north river lands and trident is a massive piece of the kingdom. He can never sue for peace and have allies due to this. Without the vale it would be very hard to win the war because the north forces were small.
He can't refuse being named king, it wasn't something he had a choice in, he was declared, king in the north, King of the trident, he can't refuse that even if he wanted
@@Al4___ He sure can and he definitely should. That way he could have allied with Stannis and be assured Victorious. But instead his Pride and Honor got in the way resulting in Utmost and complete destruction of him, his Allies and his Family...
@@dineshbalu6107 he's forced to be king, there was no way to refuse being king without these lords abandoning his march, he is a good tactician but a very poor strategist
@@Al4___ nah he could’ve refused by saying there is no way we can win this war with no allies. Being king of the north and river lands takes half of the kingdom land size away and any potential allies we have will not want to help us.
@@Al4___ What r u talking about bro??🤦😂 Noone forced anything lol🤣... He can just say this in a Second. Look guys, King in the North or not, without the Baratheons we'll be toast by the Lannisters, even worse is that Winter is coming. So stop this King in the North nonsense and plead fealty to Stannis, the Rightful Ruler just as my Father wished and did and literally died for lol... If he had said that, that will be the End of Game of Thrones. Stannis on Throne and Robb as Warden of the North and Lannisters be skinned alive and they can all live happily ever after until the Dragons burn them to crisp lol...
Grey wind , i suspect he was hunting or rob followed him walking and found an old trail covered by foliage. Long forgotten. Its possible he dreamed it but its possible it was luck . And he just followed the wolf ?
Now the card was turned. After Tywin and Kevan Western men are not loyal to lannisters. Freys are the most hated family in entire continent. Though Jaime won a single war in riverrun but ultimately lannisters lost in all sides. Littlefinger will use this opportunity as his position of Lord Paramount of trident by uniting Vale, Riverlands and North. Maybe he played an important role in the upcoming book.
Makes you wonder what would have happened had Jon managed to run away would he still have lost the war or what and would Jon have met the Reeds. Plus would what happens to the North with the Wildlings
Never should of given Roose command over a large portion of his troops. I can understand why he did. Roose was known to be smart and cautious and Robbs least trustworthy bannerman so giving him control might of been Robb trying to win Rooses trust by Robb giving him command. Unfortunately, Roose is a true Bolton and should never be trusted.
Rob should’ve married the Frey girl the day they made the deal. He could’ve taken her with him and it would’ve been her healing him not Jeyne Westerling.
Edmure is not at fault for Robb's plan not working. Robb did not inform Edmure of his plan or its goals. As the Commander in Chief, Robb bears the responsibility for this failure to convey vital information to his commanders, who in the absence of clear directives and reasons, will exercise initiative on the tactical level if they are kept in the dark on their commander's strategic goals. Robb was a brilliant tactician, there's no taking that away from him, but he was an abysmal strategist.
Tactician and strategist mean the same thing, I think you mean he's bad at delegation. He assumed that Edmure would carry out his instructions without knowing the end goal.
@@connordorman117 Tactician and strategist do not mean the same thing. Tactics or the tactical level are actions taken or devised in the moment to secure victory in an individual battle. Strategy is the planning for future events before they occur to obtain the overall goal of a campaign or war. Robb was a brilliant tactical level commander when it came to battles and his immediate localized situation in said battles, but he was an utterly inept strategist because he never actually had a viable long term strategy on how to achieve his goals, or even what those goals truly were. Robb's problem aside from his shortcomings as a strategic commander wasn't delegation, it was failure to adequately or competently convey intentions or his plans to key members of those plans. He'd tell a commander to do something but not why or how it factored into the plan, which is fine on a tactical level when the situation is immediate in a battle, but it's entirely inadequate on the wider strategic level where more time and distance are involved because a vague order without explanation given weeks or months beforehand will seldom appear to reflect the situation someone other than himself might interpret. Robb never had an overarching strategy, he would constantly change his goals and how to reach them almost daily, he was trying to win battles while Tywin and Stannis were planning how to win the war.
@@grandadmiralzaarin4962 Robb was a good Strategist. I don't know what you read cause it is clear that Robb was planning to win the war not just battles. He was literally accounting for Stannis's in his plan in the West. Edmure is actually at fault for it cause even Cat could see he has no business fighting that battle. Do people who defend Edmure ever take into account the fact that Robb's information on the situation in the Riverlands came from Riverrun and as a result Robb couldn't have warned Edmure not to fight an army he didn't even know was Marching yet. The overall Strategy was draw Tywin out of Harrenhal and destroy him. Robb had already told Edmure they didn't have the troops to fight Tywin at Harrenhal and even Cat could what was happening. While Robb could have have Edmure his Strategy it's also a fact that Edmure could have told Robb his(especially since Robb was supposed to be a part of it).
So many bad decisions, including by his emotionally driven mother, led to his downfall and death. Most of these bad decisions, he could only blame himself. The Starks are never good to play the game, such is their fate.
So glad this channel doesn't bring politics into these videos. I've had to un subscribe from 2 channels that I thought were chill over the past few weeks because they just randomly decided to toss in some political BS in the middle of a video about GOT. And it wasn't even in a comparative manner in which it could almost be understood. It was a whole "well my opinion is true and if you disagree, then you're stupid" type sh*t. For the love of the gods, we come here to get away grom that sh*t. 🤦♂️ Anyway. Thanks for the awesome content 😂🤘
Cat has over 20 chapters in the first 3 books. No love for Robb.
And technically she's still alive. Robb didn't have his chapters and he's dead.
It's remarked in A Storm of Swords that Robb would stare at maps for hours on end without moving at all, which I think is implied that he is warging without knowing it.
He won EVERY battle.... And lost the war
Never trust the family that make their fortune from running a glorified toll booth
That was just the final betrayal, Robb’s trust was careless and blind which lead to his downfalls
Much like his father he put too much faith in “honor” Buuuuuut we were guests…
@@VENO412 actually he didn't, he broke his promise to marry the Frey girl just because he had some feelings for a camp whore
@@VENO412but honoring Jayne by marrying her he dishonored the Freys and broke his oath and the thing the starks were most known for
Robb Stark…..The Young Wolf, King in the North, as Jaime Lannister once said "He won the war on the battlefield and lost it in a bedchamber," and he did ultimately lose and for many more reasons, but for a young kid tasked with carrying his family’s fate on his shoulders, no father to guide him as he had lost his head, a grieving mother making rash decisions herself, siblings who he thought to be either held hostage or plain dead, allies whom were presumably trustworthy but actually politicking behind his back and more or less orchestrating his downfall, was he not set up for failure all along? No, he didn’t help himself with his decision-making off the battlefield and family certainly didn’t help his case either, nor did his presumed allies and close 'friends,' but the Game of Thrones was working against him. He no doubt impressed in 'The War of the Five Kings' as a shockingly rich mind for battle and warfare, when he had just been thought to be nothing more than a 'green boy,' outsmarting Tywin Lannister on the battlefield and even capturing his golden child/heir in the Whispering Wood. But…..He was always fighting an uphill battle, always at a disadvantage. In the books the Red Wedding was 100% a political mishap on Tywin’s part because its not only registered Robb as a martyr to the Northern folk, as a boy King who called his banners, rebelled against the Throne, and was only k*led by way of betrayal and pure treachery along with his mother and still loyal banner-men, as someone killed under the sacred guest right, but its painted the Lannisters, Freys, and Bolton’s under a worse light than ever. In the books, the North/Manderly’s are rebelling against the Bolton’s, the one true King Stannis Baratheon is retaking the North, Jon was supposedly legitimized by Robb himself and named heir to the North, Rickon is alive, Lady Stoneheart is looming, exacting revenge on the Frey’s/Bolton’s/Lannisters, and maybe plotting a Red Wedding 2.0…..Moral of the story is, Robb Stark will be remembered as the young, first 'King in the North' in 300 years time, as an honourable, just man with a good mind for warfare, and as a player in the 'Game of Thrones' who won every battle but lost the war.
[P.S. my thumbs hurt :/]
I love this, it’s perfectly put and a perfect summary for my favorite character in the books and show.
Didn’t Robb’s lady wife stay home during the red wedding?
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@@deandremallory3842In the books yes! Jeyne is still alive in TWOW and could even be featured in the prologue. I accidentally wrote *wife* instead of *mother* 🥴
Just imagine his potential as a warrior and leader as a grown man had he made it
Forever young !
good at war noob at politics
Robb made so many unfortunate mistakes in his campaign it's so sad. But I think his single most grave mistake was only giving Edmure vague instructions on what to do with the Lannister forces and even worse than that was killing Rickard Karstark. But can you even blame him when he was 16 years young going up against the most powerful man in the realm?
Honestly I second the Edmure decision but his most grave mistake was blindly trusting everyone. Then not suing for peace once his cause was lost. When he lost Jaime the war was basically over
Honestly I felt Robb would had won if he had the vale support.
No the worst mistake was accepting being named king in the north river lands and trident. That alienated all of the potential allies. Without the vale it would be very hard to win the war because the north forces were small.
IMO it was becoming King in the North after he did that he isolated himself from tiger alliances
@@lxfj2128Robb was willing to get help from the Vale and obviously had it continued he'd be king of the Vale also if it wasn't for his aunt
It’s amazing in the books how they set up the Frey and robb tension. From recently reading the books it’s also crazy how he has no POV chapters. Please read the books if you’ve only watched the show.
Yh I loved all the subtle (and not so subtle) hints, even in Arya chapters while she’s in Harrenhal there are hints
Always felt so bad for Robb. A great warrior, general and man of honor. Taken down by deciet and trechery
Same is true about Ned, like father like son I guess
Even George R.R. Martin himself regrets not giving Robb Stark a POV chapter or two.
The fact that he didn’t get one should’ve told us his character was on borrowed time 😭😂
King of the North and Trident!
Im glad robb finally getting the love he deserves i tried finding shi on him months ago and none…. Now these last few weeks, been tons im loving it
People forget that in the books Robb fights more battles than Jon despite dying much earlier
The show opening episode 2X4 got battle of oxcross grey wind attack them two solider then the music kick on then the chant KING IN THE NORTH!! Get chills every time I watch that part. Richard Madden was a great cast as Robb.
Tbf in the War of the Five Kings he did the most damage, a 14 year old "green" boy won more battles than seasoned veterans of wars like Tywin and Stannis, Balon too if you count his rebellion
The best non POV character in ASOIAF
What about Brandon Stark the Builder, Little Finger.
@maadtee6281 Little Finger is a great non POV character too! I would love a chapter on him so we can see inside his head
Uhm Tywin would like a word with you
@joeykijuancepeda4078 yes! Tywin is definitely a top 5 non POV character
Robb Stark
Little Finger
Tywin
Varys
The Blackfish
@@hubblito I love Robb! But to put him above Tywin is outrageous to me. To each their own tho
He was like Julius Caesar won every battle but lost due to politics
winning the respect of his soldiers but alienating his officers (in robb's case, lords)
If Robb could embarrass the Lannisters in the field like he did, then imagine what Ned could’ve done bro
my guy Robb Stark, The King in the North my favorite character. Won every battle but lost the war hope to see his death avenged in TWOW
I loved Robb. George really hates House Stark 😓
Not really George even said killing Robb was tough he grew on him so he was sort of his baby.
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Jeez I’m glad George never had kids if that’s how he treats his baby 😂
Nah he loves them
Many people say Robb is at fault for the whole Edmure thing, but in reality he really isn't when you come to think of it. Robb didn't make his plan when he was in the riverlands and could inform Edmure he was in the westerlands were the risk of a raven getting shot down or a messanger getting intercepted were too high to risk such sensitive information getting intercepted by the Lannisters. Robb had no choice in the matter and was just hoping Edmure would obey his orders, though i agree his orders to Edmure were to vague.
The reason Robb expected Edmure to obey his orders was due to the military situation in the Riverlands when he left. The Riverlords and the Lannisters had been fighting all over the place with little result and Robb and Edmure had already spoken about the danger of Marching on the Lannisters with the force they had. He also expected Edmure to know the Lannister army was coming to him( even Cat knew there was no reason to fight)
HELL YEAH IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS. THE KING OF THE NORTH
King in da Norf!
He made a few mistakes, but the first mistake was made by his mother: capturing Tyrion for no reason, and then taking him to a sister she barely knew anymore.
Not really for no reason right, she thought that the Imp tried to kill Bran..
wish you went into the battle of the red wedding. It was pretty intense how everyone but robb dies his first death (kind of weak compared to the guy that did everything he could to release the direwolf, which then let robbwind get a little taste of vengence at least).
Edmure singke handedly lost stannis the battle of the black water
King in the north
The Young Wolf, Robb Stark, first King in the North in 300 years. The last one being Torren Stark, the King who Knelt.
Overall, Robb made a few mistakes, ones that eventually cost him, but considering his age and unexpectedly receiving such heavy responsibility... I understand. A shame how it ended, but he was a solid tactician while it lasted.
I never understood why he wouldn't try to ally with Dorne. The hate the Martell's had for anyone named Lannister would have been enough
I've always thought that. Ned was highly respected by Dayne too. However he was part of the rebellion that killed Eilia but then again he did also strip the mountain of his titles
@@kaihiggins725 yeah and both wanting independence since their are no more dragons/ Targaryens that they knew of at the time would also help an alliance. The only thing I can think of is it would be hard to reach Dorne but not really since Cat was almost there when she met Renly
@@sufianabuahmad7781 exactly. But even then a promise to get revenge against the Lannisters and the mountain would work. However it may conflict with the Targaryen restoration plot
@@kaihiggins725 in the books yeah , the show did ditch that plot line till the last like two seasons
@@sufianabuahmad7781 na they ditched the plot line in general. Both the Martells and Greyjoys were ruined in the show.
THE KING IN THE NORTH!!
Awesome video man
Robb biggest mistake is not killing Jaimie as soon as Ned died. The Lannisters supposedly had his sisters but if they kill Ned they got to respond in the same way especially to make the Karstarks happy
The Karstark’s “happiness” was not more important than his sisters assumed safety. Killing Jaime would’ve meant Cersei would take it out on Sansa (and Arya had they had her)
@@sierrabird3817 They were in war and as such they had to assume they were already dead after Neds execution. + How is keeping a large bulk of your army happy less important than your 2 sisters? Had Robb keep on winning or had Stannis taken Kings Landing, Cersei + Joffrey would kill Robb"s sisters. And Im not speaking about the overwhelming win for his troops and possible allies to be the one to kill The KIngslayer, best Swordsman in the realm, Son of the mighty Tywin. More would the Freys be confident about the Red Wedding if Tywin couldnt even protect his favorite son?
Killing Jaime is actually stupid, he is more valuable as a hostage, they can only bargain with the Lannisters with Jaime alive
@@tereza1959 What bargain? The Lannisters killed Ned. Jaimie killed the Karstark Lord sons. If you are Robb the possibility of a bargain is so much less important then keeping the Karstarks happy. +Killing Jaimie would decrease Tywin reputation as "The Most Powerful Man in Westeros" and diminish the minor Houses fear of Tywin.
@@rmv02 The Lannisters have Sansa, if Robb kills Jaime, Cersei kills Sansa, if they used Jaime as a hostage they could negotiate the release of Sansa and other things from Tywin.
Thank you for your wonderful video. Only a few people have covered, what I call, the Robb chapters. Well, these chapters should be from Robb's POV. They are some of my favorite chapters. These chapters are an interesting review of medieval battle tactics. I would say having Robb S. and Tywin L. POV's would have been wonderful. Especially Tywin, when he was hanging out at Harrenhal.
“The King in the North Rises!” - Walder Frey
Either Greywind brought a piece of sheep, Lannister cloth or just sniffed and barked and singled him to follow him.
I feel bad I’ve had to stop watching your videos since I started reading cause I don’t want literally everything spoiled 😂
Great video
"Wolf in the night"!?? They couldn't just call him the "Night Wolf!?!"
Just a note about Grey Wind and the secret path. I don’t think there was anything magical there tbh I think Grey Wind just led them there because he was sniffing out the goats looking for something to eat.
chapter 69 (tyrion) in A Game of Thrones is a great chapter about this
Do a deep dive into Roose Bolton? Really interesting character
Ned stark would’ve been proud
Robb Stark is the best! THE KING OF THE NORTH!
My favorite Stark child aside from Jon.
I loved Robb... i wish he had listened to Catelyn a bit more
Catelyn shouldn’t of freed Jaime either
@@D.Rodrigues_18 100% but Robb should have listened to her about not trusting Theon, about not killing Rickard Karstark and about keeping Greywolf close to him and trusting Greywolf's instincts.
But yes Catelyn was completely wrong letting Jaime free.
Robbs biggest mistake was accepting being named king in the north river lands and trident. That alienated all of the potential allies. The north river lands and trident is a massive piece of the kingdom. He can never sue for peace and have allies due to this. Without the vale it would be very hard to win the war because the north forces were small.
He can't refuse being named king, it wasn't something he had a choice in, he was declared, king in the north, King of the trident, he can't refuse that even if he wanted
@@Al4___ He sure can and he definitely should. That way he could have allied with Stannis and be assured Victorious. But instead his Pride and Honor got in the way resulting in Utmost and complete destruction of him, his Allies and his Family...
@@dineshbalu6107 he's forced to be king, there was no way to refuse being king without these lords abandoning his march, he is a good tactician but a very poor strategist
@@Al4___ nah he could’ve refused by saying there is no way we can win this war with no allies. Being king of the north and river lands takes half of the kingdom land size away and any potential allies we have will not want to help us.
@@Al4___ What r u talking about bro??🤦😂 Noone forced anything lol🤣... He can just say this in a Second. Look guys, King in the North or not, without the Baratheons we'll be toast by the Lannisters, even worse is that Winter is coming. So stop this King in the North nonsense and plead fealty to Stannis, the Rightful Ruler just as my Father wished and did and literally died for lol... If he had said that, that will be the End of Game of Thrones. Stannis on Throne and Robb as Warden of the North and Lannisters be skinned alive and they can all live happily ever after until the Dragons burn them to crisp lol...
Grey wind , i suspect he was hunting or rob followed him walking and found an old trail covered by foliage. Long forgotten. Its possible he dreamed it but its possible it was luck . And he just followed the wolf ?
Now the card was turned. After Tywin and Kevan Western men are not loyal to lannisters. Freys are the most hated family in entire continent. Though Jaime won a single war in riverrun but ultimately lannisters lost in all sides. Littlefinger will use this opportunity as his position of Lord Paramount of trident by uniting Vale, Riverlands and North. Maybe he played an important role in the upcoming book.
Makes you wonder what would have happened had Jon managed to run away would he still have lost the war or what and would Jon have met the Reeds.
Plus would what happens to the North with the Wildlings
can you make a video on most powerful bannerman of each great houses
I always considered the red wedding contrived. Who would let their guard around those frey arseholes no matter their bread and salt offering
The young wolf
Whitewalker Robb Stark (imagine Blaidd from Elden Ring) Vs Jon Snow would have been awesome for the show...
Worst mistake robb made is accept to become king of the north.
Should of never gave Rose Bolton that much power.
WC!!!!!
Nepotism more than incest . ( tywins cousin Stafford)
Never should of given Roose command over a large portion of his troops. I can understand why he did. Roose was known to be smart and cautious and Robbs least trustworthy bannerman so giving him control might of been Robb trying to win Rooses trust by Robb giving him command. Unfortunately, Roose is a true Bolton and should never be trusted.
He should’ve listened to his mom
Rob should’ve married the Frey girl the day they made the deal. He could’ve taken her with him and it would’ve been her healing him not Jeyne Westerling.
Edmure is not at fault for Robb's plan not working. Robb did not inform Edmure of his plan or its goals. As the Commander in Chief, Robb bears the responsibility for this failure to convey vital information to his commanders, who in the absence of clear directives and reasons, will exercise initiative on the tactical level if they are kept in the dark on their commander's strategic goals.
Robb was a brilliant tactician, there's no taking that away from him, but he was an abysmal strategist.
Tactician and strategist mean the same thing, I think you mean he's bad at delegation. He assumed that Edmure would carry out his instructions without knowing the end goal.
@@connordorman117 Tactician and strategist do not mean the same thing. Tactics or the tactical level are actions taken or devised in the moment to secure victory in an individual battle. Strategy is the planning for future events before they occur to obtain the overall goal of a campaign or war.
Robb was a brilliant tactical level commander when it came to battles and his immediate localized situation in said battles, but he was an utterly inept strategist because he never actually had a viable long term strategy on how to achieve his goals, or even what those goals truly were.
Robb's problem aside from his shortcomings as a strategic commander wasn't delegation, it was failure to adequately or competently convey intentions or his plans to key members of those plans. He'd tell a commander to do something but not why or how it factored into the plan, which is fine on a tactical level when the situation is immediate in a battle, but it's entirely inadequate on the wider strategic level where more time and distance are involved because a vague order without explanation given weeks or months beforehand will seldom appear to reflect the situation someone other than himself might interpret.
Robb never had an overarching strategy, he would constantly change his goals and how to reach them almost daily, he was trying to win battles while Tywin and Stannis were planning how to win the war.
@@grandadmiralzaarin4962 Robb was a good Strategist. I don't know what you read cause it is clear that Robb was planning to win the war not just battles. He was literally accounting for Stannis's in his plan in the West. Edmure is actually at fault for it cause even Cat could see he has no business fighting that battle. Do people who defend Edmure ever take into account the fact that Robb's information on the situation in the Riverlands came from Riverrun and as a result Robb couldn't have warned Edmure not to fight an army he didn't even know was Marching yet. The overall Strategy was draw Tywin out of Harrenhal and destroy him. Robb had already told Edmure they didn't have the troops to fight Tywin at Harrenhal and even Cat could what was happening. While Robb could have have Edmure his Strategy it's also a fact that Edmure could have told Robb his(especially since Robb was supposed to be a part of it).
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So many bad decisions, including by his emotionally driven mother, led to his downfall and death. Most of these bad decisions, he could only blame himself. The Starks are never good to play the game, such is their fate.
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Awesome vid, I hate Edmure….
Tywin’s cousin and brother in law because of incest things ??? ..
A great battle king but a terrible political king.
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So glad this channel doesn't bring politics into these videos. I've had to un subscribe from 2 channels that I thought were chill over the past few weeks because they just randomly decided to toss in some political BS in the middle of a video about GOT. And it wasn't even in a comparative manner in which it could almost be understood. It was a whole "well my opinion is true and if you disagree, then you're stupid" type sh*t. For the love of the gods, we come here to get away grom that sh*t. 🤦♂️
Anyway. Thanks for the awesome content 😂🤘
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