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Expansion on the holy section: Mobs can be stunned 3 times, after which they become resistant. The duration in which mobs are stunned for also diminishes with each cast. (First holy = 4 second stun. Second holy = 2 second stun. Third holy = 1 second stun.) One notable encounter I had, the tank did a large pull and hit hallowed at the start. I cast stone until their buff had 1 second left, then began to cast holy. The entire pull died without the tank dropping below 95% hp, zero heals beyond assize. Synergy between tank and healer can make for some real fun stuff. o7
WOW I didn’t know about the Arms Length tip, just tried it in a dungeon after watching this and came back to say thanks cause it’s helped a bunch with my confidence with big pulls, great video
Holy: An on demand Hallowed Ground that is available EVERY SINGLE PULL and does a ton of damage. Tank takes no damage for 7 seconds, mobs die faster. Zero reason NOT to use it.
holy has cast time and a delayed effect, if your tank didn't use mitigation and doesn't have great gear, he can take a lot of damage while you are casting, sometimes even die if you are not fast enough or have your big heals on CD. if you miss the timing of the second/third holy its even worse since the enemies won't get stunned. so if you are not confident its better to not use it.
@@danilooliveira6580 Delay is true, but Holy has no initial cast-time because of quickcast (initial holy should always be quickcasted, unless quickcast is on cooldown, in which case, DPS is doing an fantastic job burning the big pulls within 40 seconds).
Of course you gave her a little bounce in the intro >.> good vid tho, I hope these become more commonplace for tanks. whenever I WHM Im sad when I see the tanks popping CDs early haha (Tank main)
Thank you so much for these guides! Super concise and informative. I ran through ShB and EW MSQ with Trusts so I got quite used to smaller pulls, then when it came to endgame roulettes these videos really helped me feel more confident with big pulls as DRK and GNB. Much appreciated!
I absolutely LOVE the stylistic editing in this video! Very informative too! It took some concepts that I knew as an end-game Tank and put them into words
As a WoW refugee sprout who just finished tanking my way through the main story quest, my mind was blown to know you can parry from behind, and that being surrounded by enemies isn't a bad thing... this actually makes a huge difference... thanks!
These are so great, I hope that more people start to see this is more than just for tanking. Everything you touch on in these videos, dps using AOE rotation and healers working with the tank CDs, not just doing their own thing. We don't need to be in voice chat to work together as a 4 man team the game design lets you do it naturally if people pay attention to eachother.
The section about block/parry is great because many tanks may be coming in from having tanked in other MMOs where mobs hitting you from flank/behind could ignore those forms of mitigation...or worse, they can crit you 😮 WoW comes to mind, of course, and I believe other MMOs have similar facing requirements for tanks
Lots of players seemed to have a misunderstanding/assumption about it so I wanted to clear it up. There was one CD back in the previous expansion that did make you take critical damage from behind, but that's long gone. :P
"Being at the front will help your party know where you intend to stop." --joonbob "I'm going to pretend I didn't hear that." --That goddamn BRD after ignoring the pack I pulled and popping Peleton + Sprint so he can get to mobs first
I'm a WHM main that's learned to love tanking (particularly as DRK and GNB while i build the other two up to 80, well, now 90) and I appreciate the tip about timing for CDs out of Holy stun. That helps me as a WHM and tank at the same time- for the former, it gives me a good idea what to watch the tank's buff bar for and when, and for my tanks, it gives a clear timer of when to start throwing out cooldowns. Both this and the original Big Pulls are great guides that I plan to share around a lot- thanks for making such helpful content!
Your videos are so, so excellent. Thank you! I just pop my CDs regardless of which healer I get. I tried delaying them once because I expected the WHM to cast holy right away (she had on prior mobs) and she didn't, I died a fast and painful death. It hath scarred me on a deep and emotional level :(
Personally I like the feel and music of the first tanking video more than this one... but I do appreciate tiny details in your animation such as the the bouncing chest at 0:02 of the video ;P
Hey! I just wanna say that your videos helped me out a lot! I've wanted to get into tanking, but I got that age-old tanking anxiety. I normally run with my brother and he's taught me tanking since day 1 (so you can imagine how much of a trainwreck my start's been... also BRD main) and, after watching your vids, he's seen a huge improvement in my tanking skills. Now, I get huge power trips tanking large mobs. Bah ha ha ha ha! So, I just wanna say think you, Joon!
Great video as always. I've learned something new today, Arm's Length as a damage mitigator! I barely ever use, and even on content that needs it, I normally forget about it and use too late for server to count as being active before a knockback lol. Also, joined your patreon :-D
In addition if you're running with a SCH or a AST and Holy spam isn't an option, PLD's also have shield bash. While not DPS focused you can shield bash several enemies tab targeting thus reducing the overall output of your trash pack.
I think Line of Sight is a very good one to talk about. It's crucial to getting ranged mobs to group up. In my GW1 days "corner-blocking" was the ONLY way to get mobs to group up and focus on you seems the game did not have traditional threat management abilities.
For Arm's Lengtj, I think my confusion stemmed from the wording "Slow". For me, a slow is a when you _move_ slower, not _attack_ slower (as a former WoW player). I know other people (even not ex WoW player) that had the same confusion.
"But I just used The Blackest Night!" Well maybe you should have considered that our White Mages Most H O L Y would be casting the best spell in the game, then.
I just wish whms in my groups were consistent about when they started casting it. Sometimes I will pop CDs early and they will holy, so next pull I wait and then they don't, so I pop CDs and THEN they holy XD
@@SMNtheNight Swiftcast makes a difference too. Easy to pop holy immediately while coming to a stop with swiftcast, but 60s means it's not generally up every pull on a lot of dungeons. It can also be easy (depending on personality) to be a bit too anal about dotting the last 1-2 enemies instead of getting right to holy.
the motion graphics and general design in these videos is something else lol i'm still a beginner player so a lot of this info is over my head, but the design graduate side of me is singing
Hello from a new subscriber! Awesome visual expanations, and my teammate has loved this video as a tank. May I ask if there will be a similar guide to healing one day? Also those thumbnail arts are just striking! Is there a page where I could see more of them? x)
If you have a nice cooperating WHM, it's possible to delay Holy to get an even longer stunlock on the enemies - you can effectively stun them for about 5-6 GCDs. Holy > 2 other GCDs > Holy > 1 GCD > Holy spam (at this point it becomes instant stun > resist)
This already happens automatically by just chaincasting Holy, because stunning a mob that's currently stunned has no effect and doesn't increment immunity. An actual holy sequence looks like this: Holy 1 (4 second stun) - Holy 2 (just damage) - Holy 3 (2 second stun) - Holy 4 (1 second stun) - Holy 5 (target immune message).
I learned as a WHM pretty early that if a DRK pops TBN to wait for it to break before going nuts on Holy. I would hate to be a DRK myself and see my TBN bubble not pop for precious precious dark arts.
Hey man these two have really improved my tanking, went from being flamed to supreme chad gnb of doom~ Gotta say tho, sometimes whm's don't pop holy right away or at all. What do you recommend I do to mitigate during that downtime? Thanque!
Yeah, sprint ahead. Lose dps for not spamming ranged attack and force party to use sprint, even if they are not comfortable, and force healer stress of breaking line of sight. Also you don't get hit less. Mobs get speed boost and still catch up to you.
Something worth noting with warriors and B I G P U L L S is that you can self target with holmgang so you don't have to worry about your holmgang dropping prematurely if your holmgang target dies.
Regarding the Sprint section of the video, it's better to use it right before you have aggro so it lasts 20s. If you use it after you have aggro the duration gets cut down to 10s.
Originally it did. You could only block or Parry from the front. Then, WAR got Raw Intuition in Heavensward which guaranteed a parry from any frontal attack or a crit from any other direction for 12s. Then in SB they made Blocking omnidirectional, and in ShB they made Parry Omnidirectional too.
i wish when im tanking the WHM is not soly focus on dpsing and toss me a heal or 2... its not fun dropping to 10% hp or lower and they spam holy nova and shortens the stun span too. ive lost count how many times i either die, or have to run in circles draggin the mobs attack out to survive...
Just an extra thing with WHM+Holy, its about 7s total stun if holys are spaced right, expect most healers to not be accurate with this though and end up being more like 5s stun realistically. Let me just drop these below (PoM = Presence of Mind (spell haste of 20%) Holy without SpS = 2.5s and is 2s under PoM, now account for Spellspeed! No PoM and most Spell Speeds (most if not all gear sets wont reduce it below 2s without PoM): Holy (4s stun) -> Holy (1.5-2s stun replaced with 2s one) -> Holy (previous stun ended and replaced by 1s stun) -> Holy Resistant! 5 to 5.5s stun, depending on spell speed, lag and if you're queuing holys properly PoM with Spell Speed reducing Holy to 1.9s or lower: Holy (4s stun) -> Holy (2.1+s stun cannot be replaced by 2s one since existing one is greater) -> Holy (previous stun replaced by 2s stun (maybe losing out on 0.1/0.2s)) -> Holy (previous stun (maybe losing out on 0.1/0.2s) replaced by 1s stun) -> Holy Resistant! 6.5s to 7s, depending on spell speed, lag and if you're queuing holys properly Of course this is just min maxing at this point for trash mobs, but if your not PoMing holy, maybe throw a quick gcd after first holy be it a regen/cure/dia/glare, first stun might wear off early before your next holy goes off but you won't waste a full 4s stun so you know, swings and roundabouts, heck you might catch the second stun as a mob becomes unstunned and starts a stunnable AoE!
As a Healer main i approve. In JP server healer decide whether big pull or small pull. When the tank doesn't listen and do small pull, i just sprint to the wall and pull it myself and the tank will follow, lol.
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Ah, the Arch-nemesis of the Blackest Night: Holy.
The night can't be that dark when you have a WHM spaming a ball of light.
Holy's great. DRK's worst enemy is themselves. 🙃
Expansion on the holy section:
Mobs can be stunned 3 times, after which they become resistant. The duration in which mobs are stunned for also diminishes with each cast. (First holy = 4 second stun. Second holy = 2 second stun. Third holy = 1 second stun.) One notable encounter I had, the tank did a large pull and hit hallowed at the start. I cast stone until their buff had 1 second left, then began to cast holy. The entire pull died without the tank dropping below 95% hp, zero heals beyond assize. Synergy between tank and healer can make for some real fun stuff. o7
Definitely some real fun stuff! :D
Picked up tanking recently and these 2 guides are godsends. Clear, coincise and visually impressive well done!
Nice touch with the whm advice, is too common that a drk lose blackest night during holy burst.
I'm guilty of auto-piloting and popping CDs normally myself. 😂
WOW I didn’t know about the Arms Length tip, just tried it in a dungeon after watching this and came back to say thanks cause it’s helped a bunch with my confidence with big pulls, great video
Holy: An on demand Hallowed Ground that is available EVERY SINGLE PULL and does a ton of damage. Tank takes no damage for 7 seconds, mobs die faster. Zero reason NOT to use it.
Can't get freecure procs with holy so it must be useless /s
holy has cast time and a delayed effect, if your tank didn't use mitigation and doesn't have great gear, he can take a lot of damage while you are casting, sometimes even die if you are not fast enough or have your big heals on CD. if you miss the timing of the second/third holy its even worse since the enemies won't get stunned. so if you are not confident its better to not use it.
@@danilooliveira6580 Delay is true, but Holy has no initial cast-time because of quickcast (initial holy should always be quickcasted, unless quickcast is on cooldown, in which case, DPS is doing an fantastic job burning the big pulls within 40 seconds).
Thank you for your advice
I have tank anxiety, but now i want to try tanking
The Classic Outrun music. So appropriate for taking staying alive. I'm glad I found this channel.
Of course you gave her a little bounce in the intro >.>
good vid tho, I hope these become more commonplace for tanks.
whenever I WHM Im sad when I see the tanks popping CDs early haha (Tank main)
as always a beautiful and clean guide
🙏
Thank you so much for these guides! Super concise and informative. I ran through ShB and EW MSQ with Trusts so I got quite used to smaller pulls, then when it came to endgame roulettes these videos really helped me feel more confident with big pulls as DRK and GNB. Much appreciated!
I absolutely LOVE the stylistic editing in this video! Very informative too! It took some concepts that I knew as an end-game Tank and put them into words
As a WoW refugee sprout who just finished tanking my way through the main story quest, my mind was blown to know you can parry from behind, and that being surrounded by enemies isn't a bad thing... this actually makes a huge difference... thanks!
great job as always
Thanks to these guides, I've been tanking with confidence on my GNB for a few weeks now.
Good to hear!
Hell of video pal. Thanks
Hopefully this will still be relevant in 6.0. I think it mostly will. You didn't get too job specific.
Hopefully but always room for a follow-up if it turns out it's not.
@@rithli Yeah after they dumb down healers more by making holy and benediction role actions (hopefully /s)
These are so great, I hope that more people start to see this is more than just for tanking. Everything you touch on in these videos, dps using AOE rotation and healers working with the tank CDs, not just doing their own thing. We don't need to be in voice chat to work together as a 4 man team the game design lets you do it naturally if people pay attention to eachother.
Thank you for seeing it that way. 👍
The section about block/parry is great because many tanks may be coming in from having tanked in other MMOs where mobs hitting you from flank/behind could ignore those forms of mitigation...or worse, they can crit you 😮
WoW comes to mind, of course, and I believe other MMOs have similar facing requirements for tanks
Lots of players seemed to have a misunderstanding/assumption about it so I wanted to clear it up. There was one CD back in the previous expansion that did make you take critical damage from behind, but that's long gone. :P
@@rithli Yup, the original form of Raw Intuition, which you could overlap with Awareness to nullify the crit penalty
I don't miss those days 😛
Holy crap these videos are great. Thanks for tips and loving the style
Between your videos and Eureka I’ve become a better tank. Thank you 💕
EXCELLENT
Just what I needed Tanks very much x
Arm's Length for Group Pulls goes unutilized by a lot of Tanks and I am very happy it was included in this vid :)
Excellent as always.
🙏🙏🙏
Really handy stuff!
"Being at the front will help your party know where you intend to stop." --joonbob
"I'm going to pretend I didn't hear that." --That goddamn BRD after ignoring the pack I pulled and popping Peleton + Sprint so he can get to mobs first
I'm a WHM main that's learned to love tanking (particularly as DRK and GNB while i build the other two up to 80, well, now 90) and I appreciate the tip about timing for CDs out of Holy stun. That helps me as a WHM and tank at the same time- for the former, it gives me a good idea what to watch the tank's buff bar for and when, and for my tanks, it gives a clear timer of when to start throwing out cooldowns.
Both this and the original Big Pulls are great guides that I plan to share around a lot- thanks for making such helpful content!
Short, informative and really nice visuals ! Usually I only comment to troll but well this is just that good lol
lmao ty even if troll
Your videos are so, so excellent. Thank you!
I just pop my CDs regardless of which healer I get. I tried delaying them once because I expected the WHM to cast holy right away (she had on prior mobs) and she didn't, I died a fast and painful death. It hath scarred me on a deep and emotional level :(
Don't think I've seen another guide going over defensive CD usage. I'm subbing just for that, and maybe because your presentation is awesome XD
Another great guide! Stylish as always too.
Personally I like the feel and music of the first tanking video more than this one... but I do appreciate tiny details in your animation such as the the bouncing chest at 0:02 of the video ;P
Hey! I just wanna say that your videos helped me out a lot! I've wanted to get into tanking, but I got that age-old tanking anxiety. I normally run with my brother and he's taught me tanking since day 1 (so you can imagine how much of a trainwreck my start's been... also BRD main) and, after watching your vids, he's seen a huge improvement in my tanking skills. Now, I get huge power trips tanking large mobs. Bah ha ha ha ha! So, I just wanna say think you, Joon!
that's awesome to hear!
happy big tanking to you 💪
Godlike as always
Great video as always.
I've learned something new today, Arm's Length as a damage mitigator! I barely ever use, and even on content that needs it, I normally forget about it and use too late for server to count as being active before a knockback lol.
Also, joined your patreon :-D
Thank you and welcome aboard.
Get used to pressing it! Super useful
In addition if you're running with a SCH or a AST and Holy spam isn't an option, PLD's also have shield bash. While not DPS focused you can shield bash several enemies tab targeting thus reducing the overall output of your trash pack.
Like the physics simulation at the start. ;)
How to pull ranged mobs would also be a good tip. Line of sight when possible, or walk melee mobs over to the ranged mobs.
I knew I forgot to include something haha. This is def a good one people struggle with as well.
@@rithli I always wanna say something when I see it happen but then I'm like nah I don't wanna get kicked from the dungeon for making a suggestion lol
I think Line of Sight is a very good one to talk about. It's crucial to getting ranged mobs to group up.
In my GW1 days "corner-blocking" was the ONLY way to get mobs to group up and focus on you seems the game did not have traditional threat management abilities.
For Arm's Lengtj, I think my confusion stemmed from the wording "Slow". For me, a slow is a when you _move_ slower, not _attack_ slower (as a former WoW player).
I know other people (even not ex WoW player) that had the same confusion.
Very good!
"But I just used The Blackest Night!"
Well maybe you should have considered that our White Mages Most H O L Y would be casting the best spell in the game, then.
I just wish whms in my groups were consistent about when they started casting it. Sometimes I will pop CDs early and they will holy, so next pull I wait and then they don't, so I pop CDs and THEN they holy XD
@@SMNtheNight Swiftcast makes a difference too. Easy to pop holy immediately while coming to a stop with swiftcast, but 60s means it's not generally up every pull on a lot of dungeons. It can also be easy (depending on personality) to be a bit too anal about dotting the last 1-2 enemies instead of getting right to holy.
the motion graphics and general design in these videos is something else lol
i'm still a beginner player so a lot of this info is over my head, but the design graduate side of me is singing
That Outrun music though!
Hello from a new subscriber! Awesome visual expanations, and my teammate has loved this video as a tank. May I ask if there will be a similar guide to healing one day?
Also those thumbnail arts are just striking! Is there a page where I could see more of them? x)
These videos are really awsome.
Way more players need to see them. I really can't stand playing roles aside from Tank.
was that a little jiggle? very FF14 :P
Good eye.
Ive played this game for over 7 to 8 years and with all the changes i still never knew arms length slowed enemies
I got you 👍
these are really cute videos!! keep it up~
You can sprint before engaging the first mob to have more sprint time 20s.
Next will be healers tips? :) thank you so much for this one as always amazing editing plus chillaxed groovy music :)
Maybe in the future haha. Thanks as always. :D
If you play SCH, I recommend FFXIV's Momo's SCH dungeoning guide. Not as beautiful but very informative. th-cam.com/video/wE1Ay8mmVB8/w-d-xo.html
@@heylookitsnana thank you ^_^
great video with cool tips! helps a lot. Will you be doing it with other jobs as well?
Thanks! No plans at the moment but I think I may tackle a healer version in the future.
If you have a nice cooperating WHM, it's possible to delay Holy to get an even longer stunlock on the enemies - you can effectively stun them for about 5-6 GCDs. Holy > 2 other GCDs > Holy > 1 GCD > Holy spam (at this point it becomes instant stun > resist)
Sounds like a dream
This already happens automatically by just chaincasting Holy, because stunning a mob that's currently stunned has no effect and doesn't increment immunity. An actual holy sequence looks like this: Holy 1 (4 second stun) - Holy 2 (just damage) - Holy 3 (2 second stun) - Holy 4 (1 second stun) - Holy 5 (target immune message).
I learned as a WHM pretty early that if a DRK pops TBN to wait for it to break before going nuts on Holy. I would hate to be a DRK myself and see my TBN bubble not pop for precious precious dark arts.
Hey man these two have really improved my tanking, went from being flamed to supreme chad gnb of doom~
Gotta say tho, sometimes whm's don't pop holy right away or at all. What do you recommend I do to mitigate during that downtime?
Thanque!
Happy to hear that.
At that point I'd just proceed as normal with your big CD(s) and work your way down.
Yeah, sprint ahead. Lose dps for not spamming ranged attack and force party to use sprint, even if they are not comfortable, and force healer stress of breaking line of sight.
Also you don't get hit less. Mobs get speed boost and still catch up to you.
Hey joonbob, what's the name of this track and where do you get your music from? This is excellent.
That title card jiggle though.
Something worth noting with warriors and B I G P U L L S is that you can self target with holmgang so you don't have to worry about your holmgang dropping prematurely if your holmgang target dies.
Regarding the Sprint section of the video, it's better to use it right before you have aggro so it lasts 20s. If you use it after you have aggro the duration gets cut down to 10s.
Dude where you get the tubes from? I’m digging it.
Did positioning use to affect parying/blocking or has it always been this way?
Originally it did. You could only block or Parry from the front. Then, WAR got Raw Intuition in Heavensward which guaranteed a parry from any frontal attack or a crit from any other direction for 12s. Then in SB they made Blocking omnidirectional, and in ShB they made Parry Omnidirectional too.
i wish when im tanking the WHM is not soly focus on dpsing and toss me a heal or 2... its not fun dropping to 10% hp or lower and they spam holy nova and shortens the stun span too. ive lost count how many times i either die, or have to run in circles draggin the mobs attack out to survive...
Just an extra thing with WHM+Holy, its about 7s total stun if holys are spaced right, expect most healers to not be accurate with this though and end up being more like 5s stun realistically.
Let me just drop these below (PoM = Presence of Mind (spell haste of 20%)
Holy without SpS = 2.5s and is 2s under PoM, now account for Spellspeed!
No PoM and most Spell Speeds (most if not all gear sets wont reduce it below 2s without PoM):
Holy (4s stun) -> Holy (1.5-2s stun replaced with 2s one) -> Holy (previous stun ended and replaced by 1s stun) -> Holy Resistant! 5 to 5.5s stun, depending on spell speed, lag and if you're queuing holys properly
PoM with Spell Speed reducing Holy to 1.9s or lower:
Holy (4s stun) -> Holy (2.1+s stun cannot be replaced by 2s one since existing one is greater) -> Holy (previous stun replaced by 2s stun (maybe losing out on 0.1/0.2s)) -> Holy (previous stun (maybe losing out on 0.1/0.2s) replaced by 1s stun) -> Holy Resistant! 6.5s to 7s, depending on spell speed, lag and if you're queuing holys properly
Of course this is just min maxing at this point for trash mobs, but if your not PoMing holy, maybe throw a quick gcd after first holy be it a regen/cure/dia/glare, first stun might wear off early before your next holy goes off but you won't waste a full 4s stun so you know, swings and roundabouts, heck you might catch the second stun as a mob becomes unstunned and starts a stunnable AoE!
Do... do I hear Outrun music?
You sure do.
random tanks never consider the cone AoE’s 😔
arms length aka cheat Code
i love sprinting untill some dumbass dps wants to aggro stuff before me
As a Healer main i approve.
In JP server healer decide whether big pull or small pull. When the tank doesn't listen and do small pull, i just sprint to the wall and pull it myself and the tank will follow, lol.