A New Way To Level Up | Elden Ring: Shadow of the Erdtree
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 มิ.ย. 2024
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In an interview with Famitsu, Miyazaki mentioned that there was going to be a unique leveling system applies to Shadow of the Erdtree. He continues to say that we should think about the "Attack Power" system used in Sekiro. Well... You know what that means. We need to break down how Attack Power works in Sekiro, and how it could be applied in the upcoming expansion.
CONTENTS
0:00 Introduction
1:15 A New Way To Level Up Our Characters
PART ONE (Information)
2:48 Sekiro's Attack Power
3:01 What is Attack Power?
5:12 Calculating Damage in Sekiro
PART TWO (Speculation)
11:13 Applying Attack Power to Shadow of the Erdtree
15:17 The Reason to Apply Attack Power
20:00 Expectations and Reality
RESOURCES:
Elden Ring's Damage: • How Does Damage Work? ...
How Does Rune Level Work?: • How Does Rune Level Wo...
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Can't wait for the builds you cook up in the DLC.
I also look forward to the new possibilities. June cannot come fast enough. Thank you for your comment.
Thanks for this 🙏
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Frowny !
My dear viewer!
Loved Sekiro so much. I hope we get another game like that. I had to Platinum that game just like I did Elden Ring.
Sekiro is a very special game. I am not sure if we will get another one like it from FromSoft, but I found that Lies of P scratches a similar itch. Thank you for your comment.
@@FrownyGaming lies of P definitely fits.
Hey FrownyGaming,
In terms of the power levels between faith and intelligence in Elden Ring, which one would you say is the more powerful? I’m a little conflicted - if I should bring my strength faith build into the DLC or my Intelligence faith build instead. Hope all is well. 😁
They are both equally powerful. That said, they are different.
Intelligence can probably give the highest amount of spell-based raw damage. I believe that Sorceries out-damage Incantations in a considerable manner. That said, it has a much more limited toolbox.
As for Faith... Incantations, on the other hand, might be weaker on the raw damage aspect, but provide enormous versatility. Access to support buffs, access to almost every damage type in the game, access to status effects... Faith can do it all.
It is a matter of preference. Do you want less options that offer more raw power? Go Intelligence and Sorceries. Do you want less raw power, but access to a much wider range op possibilities? Go Faith.
In my opinion, Faith is superior. I love having an answer to almost everything. That said, there is no right or wrong and... if you want, you could use both! I made this build for situations like this: th-cam.com/video/24wZm8fzgMc/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for your comment.
I think this system is needed for Fromsoftware’s RPG games, for over a decade now. I am glad with the new addition (theoretically) exclusive to the DLC.
Often times, the RPG elements are taken away from the player when playing a Fromsoft DLC. I actually do not have any issue with their DLCs at all, but it is still an inherent problem when your game is an RPG. This system should (theoretically) introduce a more dynamic progression system exclusive to SotE, similar to the early-game levels of their games.
I trust Miyazaki-san and Team that they know what they’re doing with the system, as DLCs are typically the most refined/best parts of their games. And I hope they utilise this concept more in the ‘RPG’ games moving forward.
Theoretically, it’s actually perfect for a game like Elden Ring, given it’s “too difficult? Well go away and get stronger” style of game design. The system should (theoretically) fit like a glove onto Elden Rings already-existing systems.
It’s an innovative design decision that would make them standout in the RPG gaming landscape, should they continue to use it in their future RPG titles.
I agree with everything that you said. This new system applied to Elden Ring will be an experiment. If it works well, I am sure that we will see in future titles. Thank you for your comment.
I am really interested in how coop will work in the Land of Shadow. Will the extra-modifier be a condition like rune level and weapon level?
I imagine the modifier will be ignored for pvp, but if it is not considered for coop, maybe your summons will just destroy the bosses in fron of you. Or would that be neutralized simply because of the hp-buff a boss gets if you summon? So many questions.
My dear viewer, what a good question. If I were to guess, without any information, I would think that this "Attack Power" system will be taken into consideration for multiplayer, both PvE and PvP. The same way as Rune Level and Weapon Upgrade Level. Otherwise we can find situations like what you said, Summons could completely annihilate bosses or Invaders could deal more damage than anticipated. I am interested in seeing this more information on this. Thank you for your comment.
Could you do a video about Quality infusion? I can pump many points into str/dex for inferior AR returns, while Flame, Sacred, and even Magic return more for the same points invested. Also why does Lightning have inferior AR to flame/sacred/magic? It doesnt proc a status. I guess the common denominator is the Dex stat is underpowered - or maybe it depends on the weapon. i know there's something im not getting..
Edit: Does dex damage less because its tied to cast speed?
First of all, DEX as a stat is strong. It has multiple accessory uses and some of the best weapons in the game are DEX based (or can be built around DEX).
To answer some of your questions... Quality is the weakest infusion at low levels, but the strongest at high levels. This is because it requires a lot of investment ot draw out its true potential. Running 56 STR / 56 DEX is expensive and requires more levels than, for example, running 80 DEX. But if you are willing to reach the higher level tier (think RL 300+) you can run a 80 STR / 80 DEX Quality weapon and reach amazing AR. Quality is in a weird place because of this. It is only good if you do not use a level limit.
Flame, Sacred and Magic will generally give us a higher amount AR, but you have to remember that it is split damage. Since we are talking about two different damage types (the physical and the elemental) we have to go through two different defenses and two different negations. As a result, the higher AR will deal less damage. It is important to keep this in mind when using elemental weapons. Unless we are focusing on an enemy's weakness, using a pure damage weapon will always be better than using a split damage weapon.
I hope this helps. Thank you for your comment.
Great addition to the Fromsoft library of really innovative mechanics!
I would love it if the system is successful and becomes part of the soulsborne genre for future games as well. Oftentimes there is a sense of power creep in a variety of games, from MMOs to looter shooters. Gaming needs challenge, but it’s hard to rely on just one number that always goes up. We need mechanics that balance, push and pull on the levers of difficulty.
If they apply something like this, it would definitely be an experiment. It could work, or it could not. Personally, I like that they are experimenting. If it doesn't work, well... now they know. I think its a good idea. Thank you for your comment.
This begs the question: will these bosses give runes? Or, because they are wholely separate from Grace and hidden from the world, is all we can recieve from them this strength that vanishes when brought out of the shadows? I think it could be some interesting lore
Realistically it is just for the sake of balance to handle all those lvl 300+ characters that can mop up each boss like some kind of menial chore like the poorly balanced and bugged builds on launch (at least that's probably the intent, whether or not it works out like that we'll have to see). There'd still be runes from bosses; just that player level likely won't affect much other than your health pool, how much you can carry, what weapons you can use, etc. Maybe there's some level of standard damage in the dlc? Idk, something I'm considering but likely won't be the case
I would be shocked if the DLC bosses don't drop runes. I think it is easy to say that they will. I mean, besides leveling up, there is a whole economy that is based on runes. Upgrading weapons, upgrading spirit summons, buying consumables... Imagine having to exit the DLC to farm runes in order to upgrade a weapon that you found in it. This new leveling system does not have to change anything to the Rune Level system. It just has to add to it while we are in the Land of Shadow. Thank you for your comment.
@@FrownyGaming i agree there, it wouldn't make much sense. Thanks for all the awesome vids!
I don’t think this will be directly comparable 1:1 to sekiro but it’ll definitely have sekiro inspirations. I think there will be a hardcap for damage so that the difference between a RL125 and RL200 person is very minimal. And from there the enemies will scale like the base game so you’ll still feel some sort of of progression.
I agree that it won't be a 1:1 translation. I mention in the video how this would produce compatibility issues. That being said, I think that it will be a good side system if it properly adapted to what we already have with Rune Level. Overall, I think that it is a good idea. Thank you for your comment.
Love the way you communicate! I can see you working in law or some type of business to business sales outside of TH-cam 😅
Indeed! I’m a lawyer. Specializing in United States Immigration and Legal Translation. I truly appreciate your comment and kind words.
Imma pass it's just gonna be Haligtree on drugs where everything one shots u plus 6 bosses with 4 phases and usually a buddy or 2.
None of the information available, at this time, point towards a "Haligtree on drugs". Quite the contrary, in fact, FromSoft even mentioned a new power scaling system that is able to regulate the player's experience and difficulty. Funny enough, I cover that in this video.
If you do not want to play the DLC, by all means. But you are making statements that don't hold up to scrutiny.
And I would love a four phase boss. Can you imagine the soundtracks? Thank you for your comment.
We will know when its come out in june
I play fromsoftware game since kings field
They dont really change how they make games
Nowadays fromsoftware game is a pretty big deal when shin megami tensei v and FF14 need to shift their release date
Oh yeah. For better or for worse, From has become an example to follow, and a competitor to avoid. Thank you for your comment.
Literally have a lvl 300+ character and a mid to late game character to try this new system. No matter what, I am ready to play the DLC.
This is smart. You have both a high level character to try everything new, and then a work-in-progess character that you can mold once you realize what your favorite stuff is. I will take this idea. Thank you for your comment.
I just say increase the vigor hard cap to 80 and allow great runes to work in pvp and boom the game as more room for traditional difficulty scaling as well as more variety for builds in pvp as well but nooooooo lets just slap together all these systems that don't work together and make a cluster %$#! Of a game instead of using traditional methods of balancing and structuring a game
I really dislike the direction that this game is going in, and it is genuinely upsetting to me to see my favorite franchise ruin itself. I wish the fromsoft team would just take the good framework that ds2 built and stop using things from systems that aren't dark souls, dark souls 2, and to an extent dark souls 3. Dark Souls 3 felt like a cheap reiterated bloodborne with a mix of dark souls. The pvp was only good because of the player cap and accessibility. The boss design was great(at times), but the general system was poor because of the mixed system between dark souls 1 and bloodborne. And now Elden Ring mixes dark souls, bloodborne, and sekiro. These systems should be separate, but i will admit they are similar to each other, but tailored to different environments like bloodborne's fast-paced berserker playstyle or dark souls slow and defensive playstyle. But adding a sekiro system to dark souls is almost like a last ditch effort to save it from poor balancing in my opinion. Sekiro system isn't structured for Elden Ring's playstyle and should stay separate. Once I heard about the merging of systems I lost all want to play this DLC and frankly if this system flops I won't be surprised and possibly quit with fromsoft games until their next release.
P.S. Frowny I truly enjoy your content and appreciate your work and thank you for evaluation of the trailer your posts and videos give me hope and entertainment through much of this games faults and flaws.
P.s. p.s. Love your content and keep making awesome videos
I need to stop you for a moment.
My dear viewer, you are falling into the trap of thinking that the speculation that I present in my video will become reality. We do not know what kind of system they will apply or how they will apply. We do not know what will happen. This is just an approximation that I am making based on very limited information. When the DLC is released, we may receive a complete different and new hybrid system that works wonders. We don't know and we have to wait. Meanwhile, you are doing yourself a disservice by harvesting negativity from an unconfirmed speculation.
Let the expansion release. We will judge it when it is out. Thank you for your comment.
@FrownyGaming your right, although i'm afraid of the mixture of several systems, and personally, I don't wanna play a game that just slaps several systems together with the only thoughts being marketability. Once again, I appreciate your work and response, and I'll hold off on the negative until I see the results of fromsoft's work and efforts.
@@dingdong6563 if you watched the video, you know that the new system isn’t meant for “marketability”
In fact, out of the 3 interviews Miyazaki gives, in only ONE of them he was asked which new gameplay mechanics are introduced. He briefly mentions it.
The main purpose of the system is so people can experience early-game progression in a lategame area (DLC)
@Zayn_Bass i think it would be better to just go there early or allow access to it earlier. But i think it is already early enough for that to work instead of mashing mechanics together with the same issue ds3 faced. I understand that video, and i watched the interviews as well, but frankly, i think that it's just a marketing scam like Miyazaki admitted about ds3. Saying that, he thought that ds2 and 3 never should've existed in the place. Although i understand why you feel the way you do about my opinion because it's a pessimistic one.
That doesn’t look like Elden Ring
It is not. This is Sekiro. FromSoft used a power progression system in this game that will serve as inspiration for the new system that they want to introduce into Shadow of the Erdtree. I go over it a bit in the video, but the point is that it can provide an alternative progression system that will allow us to feel the sense of leveling up again. Thank you for your comment.
This is the only part of the announcement that I'm not immediately excited for. Why add extra steps? Just scale the Expansion for end game levels. If the power scaling is only for the Expansion, it seems useless. Ex: "I just a cool new power up from the Land of Shadow, let me go test it out in the Lands Between... Aaaand it's gone."
From my understanding of the system in Sekiro and Frowny’s explanation, this is a solution for the overpowered endgame build problem of designing challenging encounters while not making the dlc so hard that newer players are punished. This way, there’s a whole separate leveling path for the dlc that rewards players of all skill levels appropriately-newer or more cautious players can level up even unoptimized builds to have scaled-up attack power to succeed, and overleveled power gamers can’t simply stomp through the content. They will still be challenged at endgame and beyond.
What are "end game levels," though? For some, that could be SL80 and others it could be SL160.
@@TheLyricalCleric I get it, I just think it's unnecessary to have a separate leveling system for different areas of the same game.
@@anubrakahn2970 I meant around 130-150. That's usually when I finish the game on most characters.
@jasongriffin1517 a couple of issues with that. Scaling to approximately SL130 - SL150 leaves A LOT of people out. Also, the DLC doesn't start at the end game. You access it about 60% - 70% into the game.
Sounds dumb
You think so? I feel that viewer opinions have been mostly positive. I would love to hear the reasons why you think its dumb. Thank you for your comment.