Why Sekiro's Boss Design Works Where Elden Rings' Doesn't
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- Why Sekiro's Boss Design Works Where Elden Rings' Doesn't. This is just an opinion piece, and doesn't stand for the facts of the matter here! I understand these are two very different games, but this is why I think Sekiro's design works better within the context of boss design than Elden Ring's does. Let me know what you think in the comments!
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Before they added the boss rematch feature, I literally played through this game to ng+7 to exclusively to refight owl, demon of hatred, and Isshin because those fights were so fun
It's pretty cool that they went back and added so much to Sekiro as well.
Same. Owl father feels so fkin good when you can parry all his moves
Literally same man. The combat in Sekiro is an experience I’ve never had with another game
@Why are We still here?
Great Shinobi Owl is on the rooftop
Owl Father is in Butterflys chamber
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I didn't make this video but i wanted to share it with you.
The reason why i vastly prefer the combat in Sekiro and Bloodborne over other fromsoft games is that the enemies are completely built around the players movements and abilities, the speed is perfectly adjusted to the players speed making the combat feel more like a dance, where as elden ring the enemies are WAY faster but the players speed is kept almost exactly the same as it was in dark souls 3.
I also thought that the spirit summons was a smart idea in order to bring in more players without using the difficulty but it turned out it was an excuse for poor balancing and bad boss design.
Yeah but the only downside to that is it really restricts the play style. That works super well in those games but I don't think that would work very well in a game like Elden Ring where they wanted to give a ton of different options and play styles.
@Jake Stocker The playstyle is already restricted in elden ring you can only move and react so fast unlike bloodborne nor can your character parry or block at the rate of sekiro yet were being forced to fight bosses who clearly don't belong in what is essentially a dark souls game. His point isn't that we should limit builds his point is that fromsoftware isn't designing bosses with the limits we already have in mind.
@@Shadow666_ I completely disagree. The are tons of ways to approach the bosses in Elden Ring and the mechanics of both Bloodborne and Sekiro inherently limit your playstyle which directly limits the build variety.
@@jakestocker4854 No, that's not what I said. I'm saying elden rings bosses are at odds with its mechanics, elden ring controls like dark souls yet were fighting bosses who move at bloodborne speed. Elden ring bosses will bait you to attack first and because their faster you'll get hit even if you started your attack first then they'll go into long combo strings that are hard to sustain dodges for...those behaviors would work for sekiro because they could be parried or blocked unlike elden ring.
Having more playstyles doesn't make the game better or improve its mechanics. In sekiro you can beat people without any extra items or upgrades if you learn its mechanics, in bloodborne you keep perfect pace with the bosses you're fighting they never do something your character can't resonably respond to because you're *both* fast and aggressive, dark souls has those playstlyes/options you love so much and is still perfectly balanced mechanically. There are no endless combo strings or bosses that respond way faster than your character can move in dark souls unlike elden ring.
I don't care if you like the extra playstyles it's not about that I'm strictly talking about mechanics.
@@Shadow666_ also the extra playstyles become meaningless when only a few of them are effective against literally every enemy. At least in Sekiro having less playstyles gives u the opportunity to master the games mechanics to the point where u can literally defeat even the strongest boss with just a few perfectly timed parries and moves.
Thank you for understanding Sekiro's devs designed nearly every enemy with just Wolf's inherent abilities in mind. All you need is skill but you can also figure out the prosthetics and combat arts to make the game easier and make you feel clever and stylish at the same time. It was bloody brilliant
Meanwhile in elden ring they'll do 4 combos In quick succession have a millisecond of a pause that you probably had to spend recovering from your dodge animation only for them to whip around in a 360 and hit you so hard you lose over half your health on a 50 vigor character. Add In delayed attacks that go into attacks so fast you have to not be in the bosses vicinity in order to "dodge" it only for the boss to leap across the entire arena and one shot you...the endgame bosses in elden ring are pure garbage.
@@Shadow666_ to be fair adding weapon arts like bloodbound step with a billion I frames and basically no fp cost makes elden rings bosses an absolute cake walk
@@pain002 Yeah that's game imbalance.
@@Shadow666_ 4 margot can hit you with a 9 hit combo
When i beat owl father it was the best feeling I've ever gotten cause that's when i knew i mastered the combat and parry system. Each boss i faced made me want to get better, till i perfected my mikkiri counter.
I think Malenia was originally meant to be a Sekiro boss. Mabye Lady Tomoe for a planned DLC which would explain waterfowl dance which could be parried like Isshin's one mind or her thrust attacks that cover a load of distance which you could Mikiri Counter like those of Owl (Father). Also back to speaking of waterfowl dance, when you speak to Isshin and he talks about Tomoe he says she fought like she was dancing which alludes to waterfowl dance being in her moveset.
This seems VERY likely. Almost... Too likely...
The best thing about Sekiro is that the "危" red Kanji tells you the enemy is using perilous attack and you need to watch his animation in order to perform the correct counter.
There is only few attacks that is not counter-able and require player to get out of the attack area.
but some attacks have a grappling follow up to let player get back right into the fight immediately.
In Elden Ring so many non "dodge roll-able" attacks that look really "dodge roll-able" ,
Some bosses even have crazy non "dodge roll-able" combo that require player to run away for 5 seconds and kind of destroy the flow of the combat dance.
Also jump counter is very tight and somewhat unsatisfying to do due to no impact effect.
I love both games but Elden Ring's combat system is a deterioration.
The red Kanji is a suuuuuper helpful feature.
Or combos that require multiple dodge rolls but the input lag and slow animations stop you from rolling twice
Or the input lag make you fail a dodge, after getting hit your character roll for no fucking reason into another hit
Do you know what the kanji translates to?
@@mdavis27 "危" is the short form of "危險" which means danger. I don't study Japanese but this word has similar meaning in Cantonese(my first language).
Here's my personal take:
Dark Souls 3: 50% was about building your character, acquiring weapons and stuff and upgrading them to deal more damage or becoming more resilient by leveling your defensive stats or wearing better armor,
the rest 50% was becoming skilled at the game as in knowing how to dodge properly, or attack safely during specific windows, parrying, positioning yourself in the boss arena
so, if you managed to properly build your character and had some skills you were good to go.
Now Sekiro: it's a 20-80 split.
20% is about levelling your vitality and unlocking shinobi tools and combat arts. But the rest 80% is all about skill, it was impossible to overpower a boss, if you lacked the basic skills of deflecting, jump countering, mikiri counter, lightning deflection, etc as a player you couldn't make any progress. the prosthetic tools only gave you a slightly better edge in combat and weren't that powerful in isolation
Elden Ring is like a 80-20 split, where 80% is building your character and 20% skill
you can trivialize ANY boss in the game by levelling up your character, and using all possible tools that were provided to you.
And oh boy, Elden Ring provides you with lot of tools and accessibility, in the form of spirit ashes, ashes of war, talismans, weapon and self buffs, etc. Weapon arts/skills are more powerful and viable than DS3 counterparts so it actually feels more fun to use them, the way you can stack damage by using different consumables, talismans and armor is also interesting. It is the most RPG of all the souls games but if you wanted a more satisfying combat then DS3 or Sekiro are better
as someone who has played both instalments i don't think this is necessarily true. sekiro pushes players to play along with parry mechanics whereas the souls series gives you a lot more freedom to choose and pick what skill you want to refine. sekiro is an awesome game in its own way but i sometimes think they could have given you more options of playstyles since the parry mechanics got a bit boring sometimes. not to mention some of the enemies are a lot harder to learn and ever so often some will force you to adapt in a specific manner. really think sekiro could've been a lot more awesome if more time had been spent to give the player the option to be someone who wants to parry or dodge lol
@@miguel7631 i think the gameplay in Sekiro is fine it fits the character back story, I don't mind limited weapons, maybe it would have been even better if we got few more Japanese style weapons like naginata, tonfa, kusarigama etc each having diverse movesets and combat arts,
my main gripe about sekiro is that it's too short, it's all quality but little quantity, almost feels like a tech demo compared to the other souls games
@@vindicator879 exactly. I played through sekiro four times in the same duration that I finished DS3 once. I should add that I always go around collecting everything and trying to do all the quests in my first playthrough of any game and so I took about 75 hours to finish DS3. Sekiro for me is the best from game but it is far too short. The maps and levels themselves may be the same size as DS3 but the grappling hook as a traversal system makes short work of them while all we get in DS is a slow jog.
@@akashvishwanath1159 also Wolf is just legitimately the most agile and fast character from soft ever gave you the ability to control. Imagine him in pvp against any elden ring build. He can just sprint behind you and avoid everything without even trying
That is why I think Dark Souls 3 is the best. It gives just enough freedom for you in customizations that you don't feel tied down the same way I felt in Sekiro, yet you can't just grind enemies with a glitch if you face an obstacle to return as an overpowered demigod 2 hours later and 10-shot the boss like you do in Elden ring.
Also while Elden Ring was highly praised as being open world, ironically in my opinion, the places where the game shined the most were the more linear and closed off areas like Raya Lucaria or Elphael. Seein Altus Plateau as the 3rd giant grassy field area just made me roll my eyes, and don't even mention Mountaintop of the giants which is the same, just hued white. Even the assets are reused from Limgrave.
I've been saying again and again that Malenia feels like a Sekiro boss that was dropped into a Dark Souls combat oriented game just because Miyazaki felt like it. The late game bosses in Elden Ring go from "Learn the bosses style and moveset" to "Tank a bunch of damage and hope you live to counter attack" it sucks because overall I like Elden Ring but Fromsoft made late game hard for the sake of being hard, not hard for the sake of the challenge.
Same way demon of hatred felt like a dark souls boss put in sekiro. And both are optional.
Doh was the only boss that required you to doge more than parry... And the dodge in sekiro is shit.
@@sloesty thank god they didn't patch demon of hatred cheese... lol
Sekiro was my first souls borne game and i offer a different opinion... after so many times fighting each boss in Sekiro, they started to feel too predictable. The demon of hatred was the exception. I loved that boss because he kept me on my toes.
@@SkuzzelB8 you only liked him because he's a roll and run away fest. Once I realized he broke the games rules and didnt play by them he was PISS easy.
Run attack run attack run attack like talk about BORING. Other bosses like isshin and genchiro let you get in their face and fucking go to town on them if you had the parry down. It made a beautiful dance of go ham deflect them going ham and go back to wailing on them.
And a couple misteps in the dance meaning your death.
A beautiful back and fourth the way it would be if two warriors of equal skill.
Demon of hatred and souls bosses is just a dodge fest. Memorize the attack hitbox window and press dodge. That's it. Nothing to spice it up no dance nothing.
Sekiro can be made easy if you absolutely master the mechanics at which point of course the game will feel easy because what it demands of you has been mastered.
Similar to if you understand the roll in dark souls. Then you trivialize the game. Except learning dodge is easier then everything sekiro asks of you.
They made Malenia hard for the sake of being hard. All the other late game bosses (except fire giant) are well designed and fun, and all the other early game bosses are well designed and fun. The bosses as a whole are well designed and fun. Yes, Malenia sucks, but don't lump her in with all the other ones.
I had come to this conclusion myself replaying Sekiro. It's just a better game. More disciplined, satisfying experience. When I win in Sekiro it's because I learned a fight and the timings. When I won in Elden Ring, I cheated harder than the boss cheated. Winning doesn't feel good. Go back FROM, you had it right before.
@Why are We still here? Honestly same. I loved the visuals and the feeling of exploring elden rings open world but after I did all that the game fell flat to me. I didn't care about experimenting with other builds I just wanted to fight but the fighting didn't even feel that satisfying and most of the boss fights suck.
There are a handful of great bosses in elden ring and that's a shame considering there are like 150 in total
I am playing sekiro rn and I just beat the guardian ape,all I have to say is I love this game every single boss fight has been fun and fair so far and even without finishing this imo sekiro is the best fromsoft game
To be fair, Sekiro and Elden Ring are meant to be vastly different, I love both games. Sekiro is a taste of something different and it was the most amazing game. Elden Ring is a amalgamation of the best of the Dark Souls series. I love both games and comparing them is useless when they are meant to be different
@@obsidianreaper9507 Elden ring has much more flaws than most souls games...its not even close to being the best one
Sekiro feels really rewarding to beat bosses but i love the variety elden ring brings to the combat.
I hope Sekiro gets a sequel with the dragons return ending. With expanded mechanics. Man I would play the crap outta that
Variety without depth. You gotta switch between so many weapons to not be a one-trick pony
@@alalmalal true but being an overpowered one trick pony is rlly fun
You mean the variety Dark Souls 3 brought. Because it's the exact same thing
It is like having a big bowl of exquisite food made in expensive italian restaurant vs a lot of cheap street fast food. I would much prefer to have a refined 1 thing than bunch of crap. Also DMC5 did better with variety of playstyles than any of the souls game to date
There’s a lot of truth to this. Sekiro imo has an argument for the best combat of any game period, but that comes at the cost of dark souls’ rpg aspect and vice versa. great video!!
I say split the difference. Not 150 weapons, but 25-30. Balance those towards making the game playable so people learn how to fight, instead of making the entire game about build experimentation and bandaids
devil may cry 5 has the best combat ever
@@alalmalal Soooo... Bloodborne?
@@RobertEdwinHouse9 it's good but it's a button mashing bullet sponge style. It's not really a good one to one fight
@@akashvishwanath1159 th-cam.com/video/oyGOH0Rz_mc/w-d-xo.html
Sure seems like button mashing to me
Just because you sucked and mashed buttons doesn't mean its button mashy
I couldn't agree more. Sekiro has a beautiful, finely honed combat system; there's a fantastic learning curve where you go from feeling this is almost impossible to that point where it clicks and you start to almost instinctively pick the rhythm of the dance-like fights, while it still provides a fulfilling challenge. In Elden Ring for me most of the bosses felt like a grind where you have to painstakingly analyse the specific timings of each boss to learn dodge windows, many of which just felt really unintuitive. It broke that feeling of progression and becoming more and more of a badass. Many Elden Ring bosses are just demented, springing round like jumping jacks so that even a well timed roll often leaves you hitting thin air and they tend to spam attacks with no adequate tool like Sekiro's parry to counter that, and as a result you often have to spend ages just running and rolling around or waiting for openings. As a result I found a lot of Elden Ring's bosses just irritating. Fromsoft are very good at conditioning players through cues in their games, but here I feel that their design too often just provides an incentive to take the option of using a summon, which is also a not very fulfilling solution.
I enjoyed Elden Ring a lot, but I think it might be better if Fromsoft puts the Dark Souls/Elden Ring style to rest. Would probably be more interested in seeing them make more tight/focused games that change up the souls formula, like they did with bloodborne and Sekiro.
@@lrsb1678Multi weapons with the posture and deflection system probably. Bloodborne had less weapons than dark souls but most of them were unique and acted as 2 weapons 1 so taking a similar approach would make sense.
Katana would play like standard sekiro but you could use an odachi for heavier hitting attacks but at the cost of having your weapon be deflected more easily.
Similarly you could go for a spear for better range and thrust but faster enemies could use mikiri counters forcing you to adapt and figure out a different method.
Add combat arts to each one and it could add more variety even if it's not to the same degree as DS BB and ER.
@@AxisChurchDevotee Wo long is that kind of game, and it's cool. They made really good in combining rpg + parry sekiro mechanic + there is also magic, and storytelling, i think.
I started with sekiro with elden ring being my first "souls" game. I beat both games 4 times and your video is very spot on. Sekiro forced me to understand the bosses patterns and forced you to play aggro with the boss. Owl father always recovers posture unless you deliberately chase after him and stay in his face. Elden ring, while I did have fun with and still do, operates off of using OP tools such as broken weapon arts or summons that can solo the boss themselves. And while neither game is perfect, I vastly prefer sekiro for as that game forced you to actually fight the boss and insisted upon you mastering deflect. I played every build in elden ring and whole I enjoyed str+faith the most, nothing compared to straight up invalidating bosses like sword saint and owl father. That's the one thing elden ring lacks and honestly disappoints me in.
Elden ring is my 1st soul's game and I really enjoyed it but I have played through it to NG+6 and have done everything in it and now just waiting on DLC should I try this game 3 years later?
@@robertistheone5049 depends. Remember sekiro doesnt have any build variety so enemy encounters can either be fought through stealth kills or brute forcing it which I don't recommend if you're new. The number one thing to take away from sekiro is that it is not a souls game so dont rely on the dodge button like you do with elden ring. Other than that, the game is really fun and if you good at parrying, you'll beat the game in no time
@@pretzels7437 thanks
100% agreed. I have to say it was very hard to articulate why I thought Sekiro had better bosses/combat than Elden Ring but I'm glad the point got across to someone out there in the big wide world!
Also, great job on giving the run-down on recommending Sekiro. Pretty much exactly what I would've said.
Thanks for all the feedback I bought it this afternoon and have been playing for about 6 hours and have really been enjoying it so far
Sekiro was an out of the world experience for me. First you. hate it cause you suck but as you start getting good it feels like you've actually learned something the swords clashing and the satisfaction of those perfect parries is just offff
Honestly, I completely agree. After finishing my second Elden Ring playthrough I'm now going through Sekiro again and in doing so has reminded me why this is better than the Souls games. Sure I can't make my character or fashion Souls, but the combat is far and away more fair. If I died in Elden Ring I'd sometimes question if it was my fault or the game being unbalanced. Every death in Sekiro feels like it's *my* fault and I'm more than happy to take each L.
there are skins in sekiro for Wolf and the Shura one looks sick but i get what youre saying
Watching somebody fight Melania can get very boring over time. Watching somebody fight owl or giant munky will never be boring for me
Those are some fun fights
that's where ONGBAL comes in
trust me, i have lots of fun fighting regular sekiro enemies than some elden ring bosses
FromSoft games have gotten progressively faster over time and they make the player faster as well to match it, Elden Ring just feels like they forgot to make the player faster too so you’re playing DS3 while the bosses are playing Sekiro which clashes in a very unappealing way
This, is the main reason I uninstalled Elden Ring 3 times. The combat is just one sided
@@andreimaxwell4455 elden ring is a lot more positioning oriented, unlike ds3 you need to really nail down your positioning with everything you do, jumping is also huge for avoiding low attacks.
@@Ghorda9 Sekiro pulled off the jump mechanic far better, that stiff bunny hop ripped straight from ds3 is not a jump mechanic
@@andreimaxwell4455 it's a jump mechanic that comes with i frames on the lower part of the body and is straight up better than dodging for low attacks and allows you to get a jump attack in.
@@Ghorda9 What bosses is it useful against? Tree Sentinel don't care you can bunny hop
Elden Ring boss : long combo string
Me : finally it stopped
Boss : No bitch, AoE!
I was really hesitant to get into Elden Ring after Sekiro when I heard it used Dark Souls combat. After finishing Elden Ring, I did find it underwhelming and less of a skill check and less fun. To beat ER the best way is to get overpowered. In sekiro it is possible to finish the game with no upgrades except perhaps mikiri and pure skill.
Plenty of people do sl1 runs for dark souls/bloodborne and Elden Ring
@@itzpayday1238 must be the most annoying thing to do, given the game is designed to be played with all the upgrades.
@@prazzo1232 not necessarily, I did it in Dark Souls 3 (haven't tried it in Elden Ring yet) without too much issue. It's a pretty common challenge, plenty of videos of people doing it. I honestly see myself having way more trouble doing a no upgrades/skills run in Sekiro than I would doing a DS3 or Elden Ring SL1 run.
@@itzpayday1238 okay 👌
i did a no upgrade run of sekiro, no skills, power level 1 and base healthbar and posture... it was certainly fun most of the time thanks to the awesome combat! even when i decided to restric myself like that the game didnt felt unfair
the final point that shows how better are the bosses of sekiro is by looking a guy who mastered the game defeat the bosses without making a single mistake, the bosses still perform an awesome combat that flows so smooth like a dance. Meanwhile if you look at no hit elden ring bosses you only see how pathetic they are not being able to fight back and turning into lame punching bags, a good boss has to perform a good challenge and fun fight even when you already know exactly how to beat it
I hopped on Sekiro randomly the other day after two long all remembrances runs of Elden Ring with sub-optimal builds. I needed a break from the slog that elden ring can feel like when you aren't playing an extremely strong build. I had gotten the platinum trophy in Sekiro a little over a year ago and thought I was satisfied... But jesus, I did not expect to so quickly feel enamoured with the combat in Sekiro again. There's nothing like it, there's no combat experience in a game that compares. It paints Elden Ring's combat in such a poor light considering it's the same developers, however there is so much outside of combat in Elden Ring that make it fantastic as well. But Sekiro remains a drastically superior combat experience, just amazing work from fromsoft. I'll always be grateful for their work on that masterpiece.
My first playthrough I did a faith build. I used the Halo Scythe and had a bunch of incantations that basically did no damage. I actually had a lot of fun, not realizing that 90% of the bosses had an absurdly high faith resist stat. I probably had to fight each boss like 30 times just because I just did no damage, but I loved the challenge and each boss felt fair enough that I didn't get that upset. Then I got to Melania, died to waterfowl dance like 10 times and respecced to use Rivers of Blood.
I still really like the spectacle but jesus I wish they just made a Sekiro 2.
Agreed, sekrio is just better overall imo, and feels way more enoyable
I had to go back and play it.
No it isn't
@@adnandelic9093 Didn't ask for your opinion tho did i?
@@nirux5937 and nobody asked for yours lol
@@adnandelic9093 It is.
Before playing Elden Ring I was like "Ha! I've completed DS, BB, DS3 and Sekiro, I won't be using none of that summoning crap". Then I realized bosses have the HP of Midir and the aggresion level of the bastard child of Pontiff Sulivhan and one Blood Starved beast.
This hits the nail on the head. Sekiro gives you tools to navigate combat. Elden ring's base tools are virtually useless and anyone who has played this for long enough figures out that spamming magic, ash summons, and bleed sees you laughing all the way to game completion. You dont have to get better. Only your character does.
I love Sekiros gameplay.
As you said, its a rythm game. Rythm games feel *good*. My perfect input gets rewarded. And each Boss has its unique rythm, which helps making them stand out not just audiovisually, but also haptically. I still remembered my inputs for Sekiro Bosses like Owl when i was picking up the game today a year after i last fought them.
I also love Dark Souls and liked Elden Ring, and i see ER as a nice evolution from DS3 combat, and its amazing what weapons exist in that game, and how they each are presented if given proper animations. One of the reasons Katanas are so popular is because their moveset animations are grounded in how katanas would be actually used vs uninspired wild swinging, am i right, straight swords?)
And considering that ER and Sekiro run on similar source code, or at least seem to be, and that theyve been done by the same devs with similar systems;
imagine a game by them where both combat systems were an option a player could switch between at will, or, depending on how design is executed, at each bonfire etc if you so will. Ive had that thought for a while now, and i know its not as easy as it may sound, as it would require alot more dev attention at enemy design, but still, i like the idea.
ps, the Sekiro comparison to Malenia i always draw is phase 1 of Inner Genichiro, not the Centipides, due to the humanoid opponent, ai and special move similarities. But its a good point.
I started a New play through of Elden Ring after messing around for a week with random shit.
I did a pure strength Claymore build with Lion's Claw
And it was so much fun as every boss was enjoyable with the versatile Claymore moveset.
Claymore is Baemore 💗
100% agree, you said everything I felt. Elden Ring goes downhill so fast after about the halfway point, everything stops being fun or even pretending it's skill based. It's just RNG hoping the boss doesn't break the game rules and hit you with something you literally have nothing to defend against, hoping you picked a build that isn't inherently hard countered by some B.S. boss design or your choice of grind to overlevel or cheese to win while having no fun at all.
I can taste some salt but your ultimately right. Imagine fighting malenia with a slow strength melee class. Absolute nightmare. Meanwhile I completely steamrolled her with mimic tear and dual bleed weapons on my 3rd attempt. I barely know any of her attacks and still won
@@pain002 It's not salt, I beat the game, I just didn't feel accomplished when I won and just felt frustrated losing most of the time because it's so unbalanced. Everything is either too easy or too hard and both ways it's usually less about your skill with the mechanics and learning the boss and more about how busted your build is, if you used a powerful summon and if you got lucky with boss RNG. It's not good, especially going back to something like Bloodborne, you really feel how badly balanced it is by comparison.
@@mismismism yep. Bloodhound step for example is just frankly broken.
@Why are We still here? That fact that you even can cheese her in that way is ridiculous
Surprised bleed wasn't mentioned. It's basically warrior easy mode, it isn't balanced at all. Getting a bleed off chunks like a 3rd of all bosses health on proc.
what about a hub area tier list? Sekiro is probably my favorite FS game too, but the hub was sort of annoying to use with having to go through 3 loading screens at certain points (1 to go to the temple, 1 to go to Emma when she is at ashina castle, and then 1 to go back to the area you were initially at)
I agree, the hub teleporting all over the place throughout the game could get annoying lol
That is actually a really good criticism I don't see brought up a lot. The hub really wasn't that good in Sekiro. Love the game though
I 100% agree. I was disappointed that they didn't go a unique route like Sekiro and just made Dark Souls 4. I think if this is your first Souls game, then it's great, but for the vets, I am also tired of the formula. Sekiro was amazing due to the need for skill and precision. Elden ring was more of puzzle you had to figure out.
I completely agree
They created these absolutely awesome, but totally busted bosses in elden ring, with hardly anyway to respond to their insane attacks.
Very discouraging
There's plenty of ways to respond to malenias attacks though.
@@unidentified2026 sure. Bloodhound step, frozen pots, great shields but none of these options rlly require any more skill lol. While I can't just give you sekiros mikiri counter and say "there. Now just win"
I agree but I didn’t find this a surprise, I expected a drop in boss designs’ quality considering there is 150-200 of them
Elden Ring has a parry system and it’s trash, cause you’re not parrying the weapon you have to parry the enemies hand which means you have to be up close and personal, why in the hell would they make a simple mechanics so hard, oh yea so they can appease their “git gud” fans, As much as I love Elden Ring at some point I had to admit a lot of the mechanics in the game is just stupid and pointless and are done just to create some artificial difficulty.
Elden rings parry mechanic is an optional mechanic that isn't even that useful. And it's been the same way since fucking demon souls. So the fact you're addressing this now is just stupid. Also next in the future dont call me people who disagree with you "fanboys" you'll look like an incel
parrying is not satisfying like before, if you parry a boss you only stop the attack and cant get the boss on his knees until you parry one or two more times... this is good because i wish this happened while fighting champion gundyr, he is amazing but sadly too easy to parry, i like the idea of the boss not falling down after one parry but to make it better they should made the boss make an unique counter attack a few times after being parried so you have to parry them consecutively like in sekiro... but no, after being parried they just retreat making the parry you did feel worthless unless you can parry them again
@@abrahamrangel2326 I think the point is for champion gundyr to be so trivial with parries...because he is by far one of the most aggressive bosses in the entire game, so the fact that you can turn tables on an enemy THAT aggressive just by parrying is kinda ironic, which is meant to be the whole point as it seems. Same goes with pontiff
I was really hoping Elden ring’s combat would be closer to Sekiro, however unrealistic that may have been, but sadly it was just dark souls combat with guard counters.
Cant beat Sekiro. Elden Ring still has hope in its expansions, but Sekiro is pretty close to perfect. Not only that, but the story is much more engrossing, whereas ER there is a huge sprawl of characters which are difficult to care much about. Sekiro had everything.
From should just abandon the ties to Dark Souls combat, only retain the gear/spells/weapons. Having Mikiri counters and parry as a guard tool/posture break is much more dynamic and rewarding in every way.
yeah they will definitely do that after selling 12 million, you keep wayting on that
I agree with mostly everything I think Sekiro is the best from software game and though I love it I can't ignore some flaws when I replay the game. The fact that remnant menu is a button instead of being in the pause menu drives me crazy if it was in the menu it could of freed up a button on controller to allow a switch combat arts button by pressing down on the dpad and move earsdrop/touch remnant to left pause button. And only 3 prosthetic tool slots instead of 8 slots with a weapon wheel, Sekiro would be so much better if you could have 8 combat arts and prosthetic tools equiped at the same time.
but wait!!!! there's a pause button in Sekiro :D. You can just swap the ones that you want in the menu. DS on the other hand pissed me off since I could only change my spells at a bonfire. I don't know how this is in elden ring but i think it's the same as DS
The major difference between sekiro and elden ring, is in sekiro actually takes skill, in ER its never you and the boss its either a powerful weapon or spell or spirit ashes. And thats why sekiro will always be better then elden ring.
100% agree with you, I didnt get very far in Elden Ring as I quickly realized it was just a dodge and roll simulator compared to Sekiro. Also watching you spam parry even when out of combat with the centipede was hilarious. Its truly terrifying being locked in that small room with that thing, that is until you get the parry down when you proceed to shit on the boss repeatedly, wherein lies the beauty of Sekiro.
Watch feeble kings video on Elden ring boss design it’ll change your opinion
For me Elden Ring is Dark Souls 2 the sequel.
Tries to experiment and be new but fall short either because of bad execution or because they couldn't commit and instead became lackluster
Someone needs to put Malenia in Sekiro. That would be a boss just as fun as Isshin
Switch malenia and that big fire demon from sekiro!
How would she fit tho? The timeline would be weird
@@suhasop4919 a mod? I dont really care much for the continuity
She was supposed to be tomoe for cancelled dlc
In Elden Ring you have more freedom of builds, but this leads to an unfun combat system.
I think if the deflect system was in Elden Ring will change drastically the experience in every combat.
Just making an ash of war or something like that.
We have tools like Sekiro (mist raven) but the other only way to evade is rolling (again xD)
The counterguard is an ok tool, but combined with deflect will be an amazing experience.
In ER, most bosses recieve 3-4 hits and they feel nothing, and in Sekiro almost every attack you do, they react at it and they even parry you.
The combat feels more alive and the bosses more intelligent.
Elden Ring is an amazing game and has some of the most amazing bosses (Margit, Maliketh, Radahn...), but the way you can battle them is not that fun. It feels outdated.
Great video. People were so obsessed how this game is not like an Ubisoft game that they completely ignore and give a pass to it's many flaws. Elden Ring unfortunately is among my least favorite FS game.
elden ring biggest failure is the open world. you will ALWAYS be either overlevelled or underlevelled for bosses.
If you head straight to margit, you'll be underlevelled, if you explore limgrave somewhat fully, you'll be overlevelled.
The world design imo didn't lend itself to an organic progression where you're at a decent level at the time of encountering a boss. The only real solution is to consciously make sure that you re-visit the boss every 5 levels to make sure you don't overlevel.
The bosses are way too aggressive which is bad when your only option is to keep rolling which become very boring when you have to roll for 10 sec > get 2 hits > roll for 10 sec again. previous souls games had smaller combos which made it feel even.
Finally, summons are literally a joke, some of them are so dumb that they can SOLO BOSSES. having access to a tool that literally solos bosses is just bad design no two ways about it. unless this is fromsoft's way of sneaking in an easy mode without angering the fanbase
Its not even about being underleveled, the bosses will still be on cocaine while you will still be at the same speed trying to chase them down since they can do 10 hit combos unpunished
@@andreimaxwell4455 what you're talking about is another issue which is how aggressive bosses are with their long ass combos. I definitely agree they should tune it down a bit. the worst example of this is malenia, i'd bet that 90% of the ppl who beat her got good rng and she didn't do her stupid attack too many times.
@@karayi7239 I think 50% of summons are fair and the other 50% is absolutely broken. For example, tiche is so stupid that malenia just stops chasing him down at a point because of how much better he is at dodging than the actual player. But summons like the archers and wolfs are great, since they are good at dodging but dont deal too much damage to the point where you as the player feel useless, those are what you call great summins that were in previous fromsoft games, like solaire.
Then again, with bosses like malenia, summoning tiche or a broken mimic feels almost justifiable
@@jaswanthvardireddy2243 the boss fights imo are borderline bad because of multiple factors,
1-you can EASILY overlevel even by accident, i have to make sure I beat margrit before level 20-25 because just exploring for a couple hours will put u above that. but if you WANT to overlevel it's absurdly easy. this makes any build you run basically do 20% of any boss's health per hit
2-any somewhat tanky summon can create so many openings against bosses, you just run away until your summon is targeted then go for a jumping heavy or sth.
3-the bosses absurdly long combos makes the game a dodge simulator. I don't mind how hard they hit but damn lemme do sth other than dodge 17 times in a row before i can get a single hit in.
If you do not overlevel or summon, the fights feel more like an obstacle course of dodging rather than a fight where you attack back and forth. If you do overlevel or summon, the fight becomes more of an rng game where u pray the boss will target your summon so u can two shot the boss.
honestly the biggest issue with the bosses is how long their combos are. it puts you on the defensive for WAAY too long that it doesn't feel like a fight. If the made the moveset a million time more complex and harder hitting but the longest combo is like 3-4 hits it would be way more engaging but no less difficult.
Just had this experience with maliketh today where he input reads any new spell I used and used the spinning getsuga tenshou attack. I had to resort to just using my DMGS cause any spell like adulas moonblade just got me input read, and so did any flasks. Eventually I got him but I used the same attack 8 times
with ranged attacks you're supposed to hit him while his still attacking.
The skill check for me was Genishiro..and man..it is a fun fight once you get it right...
its weird that elden ring doesnt have the sekiro parry mechanic since it has a posture mechanic (bosses getting staggered)
So much truth in here. I am doing my first play through in Sekiro after spending way too many hours in elden ring looking things up to finally beat it. Even when I look some things up for bosses in sekiro, I still have to get better in order to utilize the way to beat the boss. The cheesy mechanics still take timing skill as well.
Idk elden ring is overated imo i was disapointed with the boses and combat everything else do was good
I came back to reply ds3 this week for the first time in months and I can easily say that it has the most fun fair and unique boss fights I,ve ever encountered, and while I think sekiro,s and elden ring,s main bosses are great and fromsoft really went all out in thier design ds3 still a special gem and it deserves more love, sister friede midir and especially gael are still the most fun and memorable fights in the series for me
I thought I had the game down until Friede lol. I swear that fight took me like 3 hours the first time, using a build that didn't struggle with any other boss up til that point. Really good one.
@@Shmandalf at this point all bosses are easy except for gael he kicks my butt every single time
Sister friede was a stamina check. Maybe not elden ring levels of bullshit, but bullshit nonetheless
I only use melee builds in souls anyway. Id take sekiros amazing combat system with expertly tuned balancing and expertly crafted tight level design over build variety any day.
I heard somewhere that the long arm Giraffe is an adaptation of a basic Kendo exercise. If that's true then it's pretty cool to see how they apply certain real life ideas to the game
Can't agree more. When I finished Sekiro first time I couldn't wait to begin a new journey and fight those amazing bosses again ... unlike Elden Ring's bosses.
There's almost not a single moment in a Sekiro boss fight that you are wasting away by idly waiting for the boss to wait for your move! You are always "engaged."
In Elden Ring's bosses however you wait quite a lot either by running away so the bosses may choose to finish their combos or by baiting that one attack that has a semi-guaranteed opening ... And that's just sad.
If you choose not to, you are basically forced into limited options which could be incompatible with your build.
And yes, the Spirit Ash system, as much a cool concept as it is, is fundamentally flawed. Soulsborne games have always been designed for 1v1 fights; or at least the available tools are only pointing to that direction. The same thing is true for enemies/bosses as well.
Summoning a Spirit Ash is to answer the question: "Would like to face the boss's ass for a minute or two?" or if you stay back while the summon fights: "Would you like to fight the boss with 70% of its health?" I honestly think it's insulting 😀 or at least a deeply flawed design.
So yeah, Sekiro was something else.
Sekiro is the peak of From games for me, and I have three bosses to prove it.
Like you said, the long arm centipede as a parry skill-check, Genichiro as a general combat skill-check, and Corrupted Monk as the tempo/rhythm skill-check.
Not to mention that in Sekiro, you SOLELY dictate the tempo of the fight, if you're aggressive, it's nonstop inputs, but if you're passive and... hesitant, then the fight will feel slow, clunky, and weird.
;;Had to edit my comment to bring up the fact that Sekiro's combat is so great that you could load it up at any time and whoop a boss you're confident with, because unlike Dark souls where its just timing the roll, you've learned every attack string, the timing for parries, what attacks will trigger a follow-up perilous, etc. Yesterday I beat inner father in 2 tries after a week of not playing and I shocked myself LMAO
I 100% agree, Sekiro is a masterpiece and I adore it. Elden Ring was my first FS game, ive always wanted to play their games but never got around to it. I then played DS1 and 3 and then Sekiro and the latter has taken the cake by a convincing margin. Elden Ring is great for the exploration and novelty on the first experience, but I haven’t even finished a second play through. After playing Sekiro I don’t want to go back to souls like combat. It is just too damn satisfying getting perfect deflections, mikiri counters, and things like lightning reversals to absolutely destroy your opponent in flawless fashion. The sacrifice of build variety and rpg elements is absolutely made up for in how carefully balanced and focused the game is. They don’t just give you busted weapons, they teach you the skills you will have to learn and use to overcome the challenge, that is the peak of FS’s philosophy; you gain a sense of accomplishment and triumph. I played DS1 before this and that game was laughably easy until the very end in the DLC and even then doesn’t compare to the experience that Sekiro has given me.
@i have no mouth and i must scream For real, you just move so slow, your only defensive measure is rolling i frames basically. Using a shield is only marginally useful because if you block more than a couple hits then you run out of stamina, but in Sekiro you can deflect and attack infinitely as long as your posture doesn’t break. It just has a way better flow to the combat. You can parry in ER but it just isn’t the same. Sekiros combat feels like a dance, it’s amazing, in Elden Ring it’s just dodge their 7 hit combo or run away then hit them once or twice and then dodge again. I don’t want to run away from the combat and roll spam, I want it to be a dance like in Sekiro
@@grimreefer213 I mean that's on you dash also gives you I frames you know something that is in the game and most bosses use? Like Margott, Margit, Malenia, Bloodpreist, Black knifes etc.
you can also use simple jump or jump attack to dodge most of the ground based blows.
@@rafsandomierz5313 Well how much dashing are you doing in Sekiro? It’s certainly useful sometimes, but don’t need to use it often . The combat is completely different and much better in my opinion. I don’t really understand what you’re trying to say
@@grimreefer213 That there are serveral ways to dodge other than rolling?
@@rafsandomierz5313 Well regardless it doesn’t change the fact that Elden Ring’s enemy and boss design leaves a lot to be desired. It feels like it was balanced around the use of summons, they have unending aggression and tons of delayed attacks and “gotcha” moves that require memorization and trial and error, it makes it feel like a war of attrition. It isn’t fun, Elden Ring is more frustrating than any other FS game that i’ve played. I beat the game twice one with summons and one without and I can safely say this game was not balanced for solo play. Sekiro is perfectly balanced and fun to play, I can’t say the same about Elden Ring, but that’s just my opinion. Elden Ring isn’t a bad game, there’s a lot good about it, but it could’ve been so much better.
I love the flexibility of customization and experimentation in elden ring, you can be anything you want in term of your build, although I do agree the combat system can be better but with correct build you may not need to roll dodge every attack or you may have almost infinite stamina to be able to roll dodge every attack. And I love sekiro too, especially the combat system which is so satisfying and rewarding but it is less flexible in term of customization and experimentation of your character in which for me, it is a little bit of a turn off. TBF, I love both game and would definitely replay both sekiro and elden ring for long time. Honestly, they are different in various aspects where personal preferences play an important role in deciding which game is the best.
Sekiro is hard while being FAIR. Elden Ring’s whole difficulty is that is UNFAIR.
Dark Souls 3 ends the franchise with a glorious boss celebrating nearly ten years of genre defining game dssign. What do they have planned for Elden Ring? Dark Souls 4 but worse.
Great video, I agree with you 100%. Btw the owl ost you used gave me goosebumps, it's sooo good
Elden Ring is the first Soulsborne game I was actually able to progress in and it was thanks to the spirit ashes. Im not one of the people who is a Souls veteran so Elden Ring was one of the hardest games I've ever played. The way I see it, if something is in the game then I'm going to use it for its intended purpose. Spirit ashes are in the game to assist you so that's what I use them for. Player summons are for assists or duels, so that what I use them for. If you don't like using them because you like the challenge then that's perfectly fine. Im not one for doing things the hard way and I usually take the easy way out. I am aware that sounds stupid and confusing when Im playing a game like Elden Ring, and when I beat an insanely hard boss like the Fire Giant, Malekith, or the Godskin Duo, I don't feel satisfied because I know there's going to be something harder later on. You may think I'm crazy for playing Elden Ring with these things in mind and maybe I am, but the bottom line is that if something like player or NPC summons exist then I am going to exploit them.
The only builds i really like in elden ring are faith builds mainly using all the frenzy incantations and vykes spear aswell as also using the bolt of granssax and lightning incantations other then that i dont think theres much else thats interesting build wise
Sekiro was my first Fromsoftware game, and my favourite. I just wish an average game cycle would be longer since you could play through sekiro in about 50 hours and have seen almost everything, in your first playthrough.
I played both games and got all the trophies in Sekiro, but I hate this idea of gatekeeping how the game should be played such as shaming players for using sprite ash, I mean if they are part of the game then may as well use them rather then leave them in the dark caz why else collect them? and collect the upgrades item for them
Sekiro: the devs want you to get good
Elden Ring: the devs want you to explore to get cheese items/skills
What's the outro music?
I’m just gonna say that I think every single boss in Sekiro is better than eden rings bosses because elden ring crams so much bullshit into its bosses. I know Sekiro has some bullshit moments but the bosses can be really annoying, buts not bullshit hard, it’s good game design hard because you can actually read their movements and overcome those bosses.
Long Arm Centipede doesn't even need you to learn any timings. You just need to start mashing deflect the moment he attacks and a big chunk of his poster is just gone. Heck its even rewarding if you don't time stuff perfectly because of how he finishes his swipe combo with a delayed attack that's followed up with a perilous sweep if you parry it. But if you don't, you get to land a few hits, which by that point will instantly net you the deathblow.
I'd say Genichiro would be the best skill check in Sekiro since he's the first test of whether or not you learned the game mechanics. They even put up that Ashina Cross spammer right before him to remind you that parrying is something you should be doing. This is where Malenia disappoints because it appears that her design has an identity crisis between classic slow and methodical Dark Souls gameplay or the aggressive style Elden Ring wants to encourage with status, Ashes of war, and other tools.
If you fight melania aggressively she is easy. On my newest play through of Elden ring I beat her on my second try using 3 flask
so we can actually hope that if Devs want to improve they need to make an elden ring like game with sekiros mechanics and maybe add more weapons (not too much tho). what i mean is that a mix of elden ring and sekiro will be an improvement.
I had ent have that feeling of satisfaction after beating a tough encounter like I did with sekiro. I remember the first time I fought lady butterfly it took me days to kill her, now I can beat her without breaking a sweat and it’s all because of my skill with the game improving.
Casuals eulogize Elden Ring open world because you don't have to "Bash your head against a boss until you do beat it." Elden Ring sucks because old guard is forsaken in favor of casual market. Shortcomings of game design are not artistic failures. We are sold out.
The whole game feels like it was built around spirit ashes, huge mobs of enemies that do way more damage than basic mobs should scattered everywhere, hyper aggressive bosses that do a 10 hit anime combo and them immediately just cancel out into another move and have about twice as much health as any comparable boss in previous games for no real reason. It really feels like going into any fight without using spirit ashes is just intentionally gimping yourself when spirit ashes should feel like a helping hand for less experienced players.
Elden ring is my first Souls game and I love it but I'm on ng+6 and have done everything now waiting for dlc. Is this game worth getting 3 years later for someone new to the Souls games.
I would absolutely recommend it, but it's a different experience from Elden Ring. Don't go in expecting it to be the exact same although the two do share plenty of similarities.
@@thatguybis1997 Appreciate the feedback thanks
@i have no mouth and i must scream Since my comment I have Platinumed Sekiro..I'm on ng+ on Bloodborne and just downloaded Demon souls... I don't know how I didn't hear about these games back when they were new but better late than never
@i have no mouth and i must scream Probably Bloodborne but I really like the combat in Sekiro but just finish downloading Demon Souls and about to jump into that
@i have no mouth and i must scream The addiction continues finished and platinum that game now going to DS3 these games Are very addictive and my wife hates them for that reason
7:50 The only way this reliably works is with a great spear or great thrusting-sword, otherwise you won't have the damage or the stagger to deal with her healing.
Margit really impressed me my first time playing the game and he still does. Him and his counterpart Morgot are examples of how Dark Souls style boss design should be. Combos that can flow between different moves with a good balance of quick attacks and long wound up heavies that mess with your timing and make you panic, allowing for players to get in good damage regardless of your weapon class and showcase both their reactions and knowledge, but punishing them for being greedy as opposed to just punishing them for daring to use a slow weapon. Godrick is a great boss well, and as much as people complain about them the Godskin bosses on their own also do this quite well.
I feel like the biggest issue for me in most from soft games is one/two shots from bosses even in sekiro with max health you can get hit more than twice without healing. Like I wanna do elden ring but getting one shot with a massive health bar fucking blows
Sekiro definetely deserve its sequel.
If malenia’s waterfowl dance was in sekiro, everyone would just throw something to knock her out of the air with the bonus damage for hitting an enemy off the ground with a ranged weapon
I just saw this game for the first like a month ago. After i finish Elden ring I’m definitely getting it..
I think Sekiro is the tighter, better designed experience. But it's also a different experience.
As Miyazaki himself said one os an action adventure and the other os a RPG Action game.
Since Demons Souls the souls series has all been about build variety and freedom of choice. Each game has had OP mechanics and options to make games easier.
Sure, it was less straightforward Summoning in the Dark Souls series, and (starting with Bloodborne) They made it easier.
But the Summoning system was still there. And it did make all bosses much easier than without. Often allowing you to hold onto more resources for future Co-op sessions.
I always feel like they've been more unwieldy and less refined but more of a "make your own fun" or "design your own prefered way to play" experiences.
So Sekiro bosses are better on average because I prefer the restricted directed approach.
But Elden Ring has great and memorable bosses within its own playground. As did games like Demons Souls before.
And to be honest I had quite a bit of fun playing ER the "Sekiro" way as dodge rolls felt a bit like deflect timing.
What I'm saying is I don't know how far you can take this argument. As plenty of people don't like Sekiro and it's restrictive playstyle. I think it says more about game design that speaks to you rather than which ones is an inherently better experience
Even tho I love Elden Ring & I’ve put in hundreds of hours into it, IMHO it doesn’t come close to the level of brilliance & Perfection as something like Sekiro, Which is crazy to think about considering Sekiro was meant more as a experimental side project to Fromsoft while they were in the process developing Elden Ring as their main focus. But man Sekiro IMO had the better enemies, Better level design, Better traversal, Better combat & Just felt so much more unique. Elden Ring is still great and has plenty of epic moments, But other than some of the main bosses it just doesn’t seem like they put in the same amount of time and care to fine tune it’s bosses to perfection in regards to the games combat. One thing I’ve always said about Malenia: I think she’s a FANTASTIC boss, Her movements are so fluid and graceful, It’s like this brutal, Beautiful dance where one mistake can cut you down, So it really does require perfection, But because of Elden Rings typical souls like combat it just seems like she’s tuned for a different game. So when you attempt to engage in this seemingly beautiful duel, You just can’t rival her tempo, And more often than not if you can’t master dodging waterfowl you end up having to totally re-spec your character to some of the same broken builds that many are using already. Like if you could fight her with Sekiro combat, She’d honestly be one of my favorite bosses of all time, I always wondered why the parrying element from Sekiro wasn’t included in ER, Considering it’s supposed to be the culmination of all their games into one. Like imagine being able to stand toe to toe with its epic foes with the deflect mechanic, Having the option to dodge roll, Use spells along with all the typical Souls levels of customization, That truly would have been astounding & Given it the greatest combat in a video game. Sometimes I at least wish they could have placed some sort of special sword somewhere in her legacy dungeon room specifically for her fight, One that would give the power to deflect her quick attacks, And make for a truly epic sword fight against the undefeated swordswoman, Seriously Idc how gimmicky it sounds, I think it would have easily turned her fight into the most legendary, Memorable moment of the game, Even tho for me personally she’s still the most epic boss in the game, Even in her current state.
and actually mikiri counter does happen at the press of a single button
Pretty sure it does.
my number 1 without a doubt is sekiro this game Is all on you no help from summons just pure skill and u feel in control and it feels so damn satisfying because you yourself didn't rely on broken builds or summons just your raw reaction times and creativity with the weapon arts tools help you but not forced on you but they do help alot when used properly elden ring ...it's just frustration after frustration constantly feeling confused doing less damage to those god awful reused to fk gargoyles because if u have a bleed build u do lesser dmg and on the tougher ones it's just not fun when u do low dmg and they just take away 90% of your health ? that's one of many problems I can tell you. wow it sure is a skill issue when I beat captain Niall in less than 5 attempts a tough boss for alot of people but hey I'm garbage ..this isn't about skill it just gets frustrating fighting many reused enemies that just hit you so hard but u do crap dmg I was lvl 90-95 when I beat Niall the recommended lol was around my lvl but that was bs my strategy was to hit him once with a dodge attack when he did the lunge ice attack and repeat for a while because I was doing so little dmg this game punishes you for using the wrong builds on certain bosses the game is designed off of summons I hate summons I absolutely hate them because they are the reason the bosses were designed this way if the bosses weren't like this then I would be fine with them . it's just so bizarre how people give it a 10/10 it's a beautiful game will do more playthroughs but with raw dmg because you know why...but cmon they are tainting the greats like sekiro and bloodborne when they say this game is perfect. and that's another thing bloodborne has coop but even being able to summon they make it more than fair because u can easily die as a summon because u take alot of dmg from bosses the problem ds3 had with summons is that ds3 bosses with summons was a joke. never wanted to be frustrated with elden ring but man they failed this open world game bosses in questionable difficulty and reused..
I think there are so misleading information in the video. While I agree that in general the boss designs are on the lesser side in Elden Ring, it is disingenuous to say that you "only have a dodge roll".
The game also has a parry, block, invulnerable ashes of war and your jump has lower body invulnerability. Some moves are design so that the player can jump over them to land a jump-in counter-attack, some boss strings have long winded/delayed move in-between that are there as a parry opportunities.
But yeah, Sekiro has a much more polished fighting system and bosses designs. But it only has ONE fighting system/mechanics to take into account.
hur dur yeah you can technically parry almost everything in ER ,it doesn’t mean it was designed well. Use your head.
@@josharrow1111 you missed the point where I said it wasn't as polished as Sekiro and also the other defensive mechanics I've highlighted such as jumping being lower body invulnerable and ashes of war having i-frames or just blocking (some ashes of war grant unlimited blocking)
Parry, altho being difficult, is also on the table and my point wasn't to say "Bruh just parry it". But was to represent the game's defensive options fairly.
if you weren't so insecure about your lack of parry proficiency, you would've been able to read my intent without your snarky come back.
i guided you to this moment. 6:12 good times
Who would win Wolf or Malenia? Curious as to everyone’s input
whoever is the main character
Wolf can deflect everything she throws at him, it's not even a contest
Game wise: Wolf, high diff
Lore wise: Malenia, negative diff
I agree with you, though I think Elden Ring vs DS3 would probably be a better comparison since Sekiro is so mechanically different in the first place
Yeah, Elden Ring is bigger but fights can feel so unbalanced. It's either too hard or too easy, and also has too many repeat fights. But overall I'd say DS3 was a 10/10 but Elden Ring is more like an 8/10 because of bad quest design, somewhat bad balancing and also a world that is a bit too repetitive.
I completely agree, I hated Elden Ring because of this and loved Sekiro so much.
I wonder if someone is planning on moding Sekiro combat in the game.
i agree 100%! Sekiro brings to the table a souls like game, but with innovations to the genre. i dont even like to call sekiro a souls like, because its so different. the only thing they have in common its the ''bonfire respawn mechanic''. I tried so hard to beat elden ring without any summons, but, by the end, the bosses just became a bunch of horse shit spam attacks. i got tired of fighting them and got my summons lvl up. the only one i beat solo was mogh, lord of blood. that its actually fun.once you get lyndell, the game just became worse and worse. Godskin duo, the second astel, fire giant, malenia, the real godfrey, elden beast, renalla, radhan... all of those have a pretty poor boss fight mechanic.
💯💯 I need a DLC for sekiro or sekiro 2!!!
Rather than just learning patterns, if the game was more dynamic in a way that made you read and react, it would be even better.
Exactly how I feel about the game as well
Remember that one red-eyed samurai sitting in the castle, the one who drew his sword INSANELY fast with a double slash? THAT was peak challenge in Sekiro, aside from Sword Saint Isshin maybe. Parrying that slash was incredibly hard, especially since he did it multiple times during the fight, but pulling it off was incredibly fun and rewarding.
Haven't played Sekiro yet but what I can say for Elden Ring is that the design is just different. ER is a game where time spent playing the game rewards you the most, not getting better when needed. Of course spending time does make you better, but in ER the more you explore and find the stronger you get and the easier everything becomes. It's definitely not a bad idea and A LOT of people like it this way, the sales numbers speak for themselves, I can't imagine how horrible it is to boot into Sekiro to want to play a bit and just get shit on and not be able to do much else. ER is a lot better in that regard. Gonna give Sekiro a shot but honestly ER being my first souls game and it being so open world is really gonna make me miss it.
What are you talking about
I wish there were way more humanoid bosses than beast type bosses and enemies. But absolutely agree Sekiro style combat > Elden Ring Combat
Now I want a slurpy
7:54 omg !!!!! Fingerprint shield is so funny. Her cuts aren't taking your life, but she's healing anyway? hahahahahha. GOOD DESIGN
Sekiro 2 probably will be on where elden ring or other souls game take place. High probability they'll add magic, meaning more which makes it more harder.
Genishiro in the tower is my favorite boss fight in all Souls games. Why? It teach you how to play the whole game, but is follow by the guardian ape who basically ask you to forgot all of that lol.
Comparing an action adventure with 1 weapon and build with a massive open world rpg with huge variety of approaches. Apples and oranges.