@philipocallaghan 1 second ago THE SUN IS LOW..........trigger words programmed into Banner a bit like the WINTER SOLDIER...... taken from THE MANCUNIAN CANDIDATE or THE BOURNE IDENTITY , a famously cold war brainwashing method.
I like Batman, but not so much that I’m willing to spend what I imagine that set costs. It is a tempting and well placed ad though. If they do an X-Men or Avengers set, that might be different
The Blacklist REALLY solidifies James Spader as SUCH a Loveable Villain 😂🤷🏽❤️ Which is why im such a fan of him as Ultron, with Motion Capture as well.
@@rogerroger5171 Robert Downey Jr. has worked with James Spader a couple of times before in the 80's .. Less Than Zero, and Tuff Turf. The latter is my fav of the two.
Idk if Scarlett Johansson gets enough credit for that Nat confession scene to Bruce about her “procedure”. So vulnerable, yet realistic. She played it beautifully. Chokes me up every time. 👏🏾 PS. “Suns getting real low” is just a key phrase, almost a signal to signify their routine, like a “safe word” 😅haha
Not the first time Spader & RDJ were on opposite sides in a movie. Back in the 80s they were in a movie called ‘Less Than Zero’ & Spader was DownyJr nemesis.
I always found it weird when they try and explain that hulk and banner are 2 different ppl. But really..its just one. Hes one and the same. Whether the hulk form or human form.
@youtmeme yes, but he has dissociative identity disorder with at least two distinct personalities and they resent each other like two separate beings and often refer to the other like they are a different being
@@youtmeme It's more complicated than just saying he is 1 or 2 people. Dissociative identity disorder, is like taking a vase and breaking it. They are distinct separate pieces, but those pieces are still part of a larger whole. Bruce banner was abused as a child, so he repressed some of his most basic human behavior. He repressed his anger, he repressed his confidence. And those manifested as a different personality that was unleashed in physical form after his nuclear accident.
Cap’s fear in a sense IS going home: Cap is a soldier... Cap is THE soldier. He cannot live without a war to fight; his sense of Justice and need to protect the little guy is too strong; he can’t stop himself but to step up to the plate. So, ironically, imagining a world where there is no threat, where there is no war, is terrifying to him. What would he do? Especially since, as you said: He LOST PEGGY! She was the only thing he could have hung up the Shield for and now he does not have that (Ultron even calls him out on it when he says to him: “God's righteous man… pretending you could live without a war”) So that is the fear he saw in his vision: Peggy telling him “The war is over, Steve: We can go home!” and then the room being empty of people because Steve knows Peggy is dead and he has no one to go home to...!
An interesting take. My take was that he fears giving in to the temptation of an easy life. From the very beginning, he has been told that he ought to take the easier road and give up by every single character except Peggy. He fears that that will make him less of a person. It is only at the end that he conquers that fear, and has his own “you can rest now, we’re going to be okay “ style moment.
To me of all the dialog between Nat and Bruce the line, it makes everything easier even killing, really hits home why Nat thinks she is a monster. Also Bruce thinking that of himself is like yeah totally fair.
james spader is the voice of ultron. i've been yelling it out louder and louder every time she asks, but she can't hear me. i think that my neighbors might believe that i'm having an episode. he and william shatner together on boston legal, those were some of the best scenes ever on tv. i dare you, any of you, shanelle included, to watch that show and tell me that i'm wrong.
A few points I'd like to make: 1. It weren't suits who attacked, its the 'Iron Legion', bots made with basically the same tech as Tony's suits 2. Wanda showed them their worst nightmares, that includes things that happened already, like with Black Widow 3. Hulk and Bruce are TWO personalities, they share a lot but when Hulk runs away it's not Bruce's descision. 4. Calming down Hulk to make him transform back to Bruce is a mental conditioning thing, it's triggered by key words and sensations (touch) 5. In the end Wanda ripped out the 'heart' of ONE bot, the one escaped is of course another one, but they are all Legion Love those reactions, can't wait to see what Infinity War and Endgame will do to you ...
@@spencernaugle As said, Hulk and Bruce share a lot, different personalities but not completely seperated, so the conditioning is done more on Bruce's side.
For the record, the infighting in The Avengers, wasn't JUST because of the scepter. The feelings they had that they fought about were real things they felt/thought. The scepter intensified them all bringing it all out.
I think people came around to it, with the ability of hindsight. People hated it back then, cause they felt it didn't stand on its own. But it wasn't necessarily meant to. It was moreso meant to set up what was still to come. I wish we could've had *MORE* Ultron, and the whole "Age" of Ultron last longer...but I otherwise love this movie
@@AscendedXSaiyan Yeah, it was more like "Week of Ultron". That's one overall complaint about the MCU - and often other superhero movies - that long-running villains in the comics are shown in one movie, and then killed off, never to be seen again.
Ultron is James Spader. You might recognize him from The Blacklist or when he was younger in a bunch of 80s moves like Pretty in Pink or later in Stargate the movie
2:37 Like any well-written story, it's more complicated than 1 simple reason. The avengers personalities already were in conflict, and the scepter was tapping into that conflict and making it worse.
I love watching these movies again as an adult and picking up all the themes and little details. Like how Ultron is Tony's "son" so Ultron takes on Tony's habits like wanting to save the planet or constantly upgrading his equipment.
Oh MAN! I really hope you like this one!! It got a lot of flack upon release, but in retrospect I really think it does a huge amount in furthering the story of the MCU. And the vocal/acting performances from both Paul Bettany and James Spader are absolutely perfect for their respective roles. Can't wait to see what you think!!
I’d never looked into any of the behind the scenes stuff for this movie. I wouldn’t have ever guessed Spader was actually on set as Ultron. I always assumed it was voice over.
We are almost in the 3rd Act of The Infinity Saga! And the first movie of Phase 3 makes Age of Ultron even better by consequence. But first... Paul Rudd!
Thanks again for watching all of these. I Love your Marvel reactions. This is actually my favorite of all the Marvel movies! I like the dialogue, the direction, & the attention to the civilian bystanders.
It is not a coincidence that Whedon is the one they use for the avengers movies. Very few directors and writers can do ensamble like he can. Buffy. Firefly. Avengers.
35:49 I very recently realized that Thor has had NO ONE in his life to actively compare how one holds Mjoilnir to Thors fighting style 😢 So when Vision comes up n is basically like “Yo, youre’ weapon is Kiiiinda Op” Thor stays the HH(HumbleHimbo) he is 😂❤”Naw its just Practical in Comabt, ya know?” 🤣🤣🤷🏽🫶
I understand we get tired of the things we do every time, but I like your intro. Very clear knowing you stand as the BFF and resident movie watching pal. Gets me right away to know exactly what I'm getting into with your reactions.
"Sun's getting real low" - that whole thing is Black Widow's lullaby for Hulk. Basically trigger words to put Hulk to sleep and force him to transform back into Banner. The important thing to understand is that Bruce Banner and the Hulk are NOT the same guy. Banner doesn't like Hulk, and Hulk doesn't like Banner, and Hulk HATES being trapped in Banner and not being able to be Hulk. Rejecting Black Widow at the end and flying off in the Quinjet is because Hulk doesn't want to be turned back into Banner.
When it came out this fell a little flat for a number of people. After the first Avengers , GotG and the winter soldier expectations were sky high. I personally liked it and I feel like it's become more respected over time. There are a lot of little things that pay off in later stuff sprinkled in this one.
The reason Natasha tells Bruce not to turn green in the chaos of the Stark tower party is that The Hulk isn't very good at directing the rage. He just SMASHES! He would tear the tower apart. In the first Avenger movie, when Hulk first appears (morphs) on the helicarrier it is not a good thing. Maria Hill warns Fury that "The Hulk will tear this place apart" Which is Loki's plan and The Hulk almost does just that. Only stopping because he jumped out onto the fighter jet. BTW, in the comics, Ultron is much more formidable. But I get it, we got other big baddies ahead. Thanos is a beast!!!
I think at the time many of us were kinda let down by this movie because we expected some sort of big climax like Avengers 1, but bigger, based on where it was in the timeline and the momentum. Also a lot of the "Phase 2" movies were starting to set a MCU specific tone, that would become iconic by the end of Phase 3, but this movie felt a lot more like a Phase 1 movie in ways. All that being said, in hindsight it works a hell of a lot better as a transitional chapter with a lot of set up than it did trying to bear the weight of expectations at the time. I think a lot of people who were disappointed by it initially actually think more fondly of it now than they originally did, if they've revisited it.
-Natasha's vision showed her haunted memories of her past. -Thor's vision was just like Tony's at the beginning where he saw his world's destruction and everyone he loved dead -Cap's vision was taunting him by showing him the life he never got to have had he returned from the war instead of going in the ice As far as some background on the twins.... In the comics, Wanda and Pietro are part of the X-Men universe. They're not just mutants, but more specifically, they're the biological children of X-Men supervillain Magneto. Now as far as the movies go, the rights to all X-Men characters were owned by 20th Century Fox. Until Disney bought Fox in 2019, all X-Men movies were produced under Fox Studios. Now regarding this movie, director Joss Whedon fought for permission from Fox to allow him to use the X-Men characters of Pietro and Wanda. Fox granted him the rights but there were conditions. They weren't allowed to use the code names of Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch, and they weren't allowed to refer to them as "mutants". "Mutant" is a comic book term that universally refers to characters in the X-Men world-both heroes and villains. So the term "mutant" was off the table. Instead, the twins were constantly referred to as "enhanced". Also also, being that their comic book father Magneto wouldn't be a part of the MCU, they had to change the family history of the twins and instead made their parents simple Sokovian civilians rather than having a genocidal maniac for a father.
I really enjoy this movie. Definitely underrated in the MCU. Super rich in character development, resources are really explored, it has everything. Chillin on the couch after party at 4am, to global extinction.
When Pietro says, "You didn't see that coming," right as he dies, it was a very meta line. It had been leaked that a protagonist, possibly an avenger, would die in this movie. All of the clues throughout the movie pointed to the idea that it would be Clint Barton. Right at the moment that you thought it was finally going to happen and Clint was about to die, Pietro jumps in and ends up being the one to die. It was very surprising. I'm sure others will go into explaining why they had to kill him off so I'm not going to get into that now, but it's something that would be helpful to know for somebody who wasn't watching this movie when it came out and following all of the gossip around it.
I figure a speedster would make the fight against thanos and other threats simpler. Since most marvel threats could be ended/avoided if someone was fast enough. Which is why dc has to up the antie since they have a few speedsters on hand.
@fireeaglefitnessmartialart935 Looking through the comments, I don't see anybody else bringing it up, so I will explain it briefly. At this time, Fox owned the rights to anything related to mutants or the X-Men. Wanda and Pietro had been part of both the Avengers and the x-men. Both franchises wanted to use the characters at about the same time, and they were working out the legalities of it. Fox would exclusively reserve the right to use the titles Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver. They agreed that they would each use both characters in one movie but that the MCU would be able to continue using Wanda, and the fox X-Men Universe would be able to continue using Quicksilver. This is why Pietro had to be killed off and could not continue in the MCU. What you said might have some bearing on why they ended up with Wanda instead of Pietro, I'm not sure, but this is the story on why they couldn't keep both.
The fact that people regard this as the 'weakest' Avengers movie shows just how good the overall quality is. There's a lot to like even if it is a bit of retread of the first movie and it could be more accurately called 'Weekend of Ultron'.
I never understood why people hated on this movie. I love the first Avengers movie but this one is the one I prefer to watch. I think it just gives me Buffy vibes more!
I never got it either. A hardcore comic nerd tried to explain to me that they changed too much from the comics it was based on but that happens all the damn time when adapting movies from other materials. I thought it was great. I'm not sure I think it was better than the first movie but it certainly didn't deserve a lot of the hate it got.
I think people didn't like that ultron wasn't made by antman, the original creator of the character, and he wasn't even in the movie at all. I was aware of that, but wasn't enough to swade me personally.
@@ashleighelizabeth5916 As one of those fans, my issue was that they took an epic dimensional and timeline hopping story and just did basic fights with Ultron. The film was good for what it was. They just squandered a story on the level of "Endgame" for it. The "Age of Ultron" comics would be well suited for a series of movies involving not only the Avengers but the X-Men and tons of other characters we haven't seen on screen yet.
I feel like this movie is an 8/10, but imo the other avengers movies are 9s and 10s so this is somehow my least favourite avengers movie, but its still amazing, i always love bruce saying 'go ahead piss me off'
The sponsored service doesn’t actually list the full price for the eventual collection anywhere on their site, which I think is a very anti-consumer practice. So I made a spreadsheet of the fluctuating subscription cost (they did not make this easy) and the full collection will cost $2,867.61 over the course of 48 monthly payments. Average payment is around $63.26.
I knew he did the voice of Ultron, but I didn't realize that Jame Spader actually did any physical acting in this. Always thought it was a wholly CGI character.
@@The_RedVIII That's exactly it, though. Veronica is the opposite of Betty in archie comics, just like veronica is designed to take down hulk, where Betty is his girlfriend
Cap is easily my favorite, Steve is the leader of the Avengers, but since RDJ (and Jon) are the reasons the MCU became as big as it did Tony is always in a big spotlight. Deservedly so!
This isn't many people's "favorite" Avengers movie, but it is my favorite. The justification is a bit spoiler-ish though. It's all cream of the crop from here on through Endgame.
A lot of great things happened in this movie that really moved the overall story forward. Terrific to see the updated lineup for the Avengers! James Spader was a perfect choice to do the voice of Ultron.
In the Marvel Universe as the whole there’s different levels of population. The Avengers represent worldwide threats. The Guardians of the Galaxy represents the galaxy threats. If you get into the Netflix shows then you’ll get what is called the street level threats.
19:25 the thing about the team is that they all have the *same* fear- that they have no place in the world, because they’re monsters. Widow was trained and mutilated to kill. Thor is a “destroyer.” Steve can only function in wartime. Hulk is…Hulk. And Tony thinks the world will end if he doesn’t work fast enough to stop it. Their belief in their own monstrosity unites them.
Banner/Hulk wants to run away because he doesn't believe he can control himself from hurting innocent people. You know, that whole fight scene in the city with "Veronica"? (Iron Man in a giant suit)
There was a little bit of an outrage surrounding one scene of this movie. In that scene where Nat and Bruce are talking and she's mentioning her sterilization procedure a lot of people took issue because she labels herself a monster after explaining that procedure. People took that to mean she thinks of herself as a monster because she is sterile. I personally didn't take it that away. I took it as her past as a russian agent is what she thinks made her a monster and when she talked about the procedure she was explaining it as something done to her to make her more effective with violence. She's comparing that procedure to the procedure that resulted in Banner becoming the Hulk. While Banner experimented on himself the result wasn't intended to happen and it turned him into the Hulk against his will She isn't saying she's a monster because she can't have children. She's a monster because things were ripped from her to make her effective at killing. I could be wrong about my take and if I am then I accept that but it think it all comes down to Whedon placing the monster line after Nat explained her sterilization procedure which wasn't the best place to put it. Maybe have Nat say, "they ripped these things from me to turn me into a killer against my will. Still think you're the only monster?" Or maybe have Banner refer to himself as Frankenstein's monster which is more of an apt comparison than a generalized monster.
My main beef with this movie is that it's just wrong. You won't get an extinction level event from something pulled by earths gravity. Objects travelling at that speed is pulled by the sun
Your reaction has made me appreciate this movie more. It’s been a long time since I’ve seen it and it’s a lot better than I remember it when compared to, well, we’ll just say films of today.
I hope she watched the X-Men movies and the Logan movie when it happens because we we want her to watch Deadpool and Wolverine when it comes out in streaming
Which one? I guess my feeling is that if you're going to do Star Trek, you might as well start with a handful of episodes of TOS and then watch the Captain Kirk movies.
@@UTU49 She don't have to watch everything! Maybe: top ten Classic episodes = Star Trek 1 to 6 = top twenty "The Next Generation" episodes = Star Trek 7 to 10 = the three J.J. Abrams Star Trek movies? ✌️
@@martinbraun1211 Yeah. I was thinking maybe just 3 - 5 episodes of Old Trek and then go straight to the movies. I really liked Star Trek 2, 3, & 4. I haven't seen them in years, though.
You have to remember, Banner and Hulk are two separate identities. They work independently of each other. One doesn't know what the other is doing when the other is in control of the body....
Excelsior. That was Stan’s sign off word When he was the editor of Marvel comics and he had a column every month, we talked about the latest stuff he would sign off with that word we all loved him for that so him saying it here is super Duper fan service
38:49 Couple of things that may explain it: Bruce probably was tired of always turning into the hulk, especially against his will. He said he didnt want to turn but natasha threw him and forced it upon him. Like imagine several years of loki, natasha, wanda etc just forcing u to be in mental pain and having to live with the consequences because of the destruction u caused against ur wishes. Hes also already expressed the possibility of stopping the hero journey regardless, even as a doctor, because even though he couldnt have kids, he still was close to running away with natasha and ending his time as an avenger. And clint wanted to retire, tony was debating whether to stop and build on his home life, and maybe bruce wanted to retire aswell
While I typically always prefer release order, I personally very much recommend watching Black Widow’s movie after Civil War, which is where it begins in the timeline. Just DO NOT watch the second end credit (the mid credit is fine) until you get to the movie’s release order.
Big agree. And Honestly I don’t think that end credit is a big deal; Nick Fury has one of those at the end of Winter Soldier, it could just be seen as good spy strategy. And if she did it early enough, by the time it became relevant it would not be top of mind.
Shanelle: "Fighting demons, everyone in this movie". The comic book genre, specifically Marvel, is built on the classic Greek literature concept of "the flawed hero". The hero not only has to overcome the bad guy, but also his or her self.
"I'm so bored of my intro, you guys." Fun fact: the piano player on Mister Rogers' Neighborhood was an unbelievably talented jazz pianist named Johnny Costa, who initially resisted Fred Rogers' offer to be the musical director for the show, as he felt it would get old really quick. He finally agreed, as long as Rogers promised him he would never use recycled intro music that got old. Mister Rogers wanted him on the show so badly that he agreed he could play the intro song live on set for every single episode--which he eventually did. Mister Rogers had to sing that song almost 900 times, never recycling the audio once, and Johnny Costa improvised his arrangement of the song every time, and never played it exactly the same way twice. Not sure how this turns into advice. Maybe you just need a catchy intro song? :) You always have a guitar behind you, that only comes out for a couple of the livestreams, and I'm getting such a "Chekhov's gun" vibe from you having it in the shot all this time.
Age of Ultron is widely underrated, I think. I like the character moments and development throughout the film, I like Nat/Banner (which I think is a pretty unpopular take), I enjoyed the writing. Much better than it’s usually given credit for. Glad you enjoyed it!
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THE SUN IS LOW..........trigger words programmed into Banner a bit like the WINTER SOLDIER...... taken from THE MANCUNIAN CANDIDATE or THE BOURNE IDENTITY , a famously cold war brainwashing method.
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Missed opportunity to go with the code BATSHAN.
I like Batman, but not so much that I’m willing to spend what I imagine that set costs. It is a tempting and well placed ad though.
If they do an X-Men or Avengers set, that might be different
40:13 they call to each other.
Shanelle's reaction when Vision picks up the hammer was WORTH IT.😅
Yeah, it was 😊
Totally!
Still one of the coolest character introductions ever.
Makes me even more excited for something down the line lol
had to watch it twice
James Spader killed it with the voice work...If you like him as a villainous character "Blacklist" (TV show) is pretty good.
Pretty good? That show is outstanding!
Still, Shan's suggestion of a dark Tony Stark voice is interesting....I wonder what other character that could be used for.
The Blacklist REALLY solidifies James Spader as SUCH a Loveable Villain 😂🤷🏽❤️ Which is why im such a fan of him as Ultron, with Motion Capture as well.
@@rogerroger5171 Robert Downey Jr. has worked with James Spader a couple of times before in the 80's .. Less Than Zero, and Tuff Turf. The latter is my fav of the two.
I liked him in late seasons (Non Marvel) !SPOILER!
of The Office. LOL
"You're unbearably naive."
"Well... I was born yesterday!"
That one scene has some of my favourite writing in the entire MCU.
top tier dialogue
I saw a video essay about how great that specific scene was.
Me too because it gives you the actual meaning of being naive and being born a day before being told that . The best dialogues ever on here.
As Shan will find out, Vision has the most intensely meaningful dialogue in the MCU
Idk if Scarlett Johansson gets enough credit for that Nat confession scene to Bruce about her “procedure”. So vulnerable, yet realistic. She played it beautifully. Chokes me up every time. 👏🏾
PS. “Suns getting real low” is just a key phrase, almost a signal to signify their routine, like a “safe word” 😅haha
I didn’t like the Bruce/Nat romance at all, but she definitely did a fantastic job with what she had to work with.
A trigger phrase.
my two favorite scenes.... when Cap nudges the hammer and when vision just picked it up like nothing
“Elevator’s not worthy,” is one of my favorite lines in any movie. 😂
"Jarvis" is now named "The Vision".
Spader was the perfect actor for Ultron
Not the first time Spader & RDJ were on opposite sides in a movie. Back in the 80s they were in a movie called ‘Less Than Zero’ & Spader was DownyJr nemesis.
I can't help but think that Spader was offered "Blacklist" because of how he killed playing Ultron.
@@bouhhgz1969 Robert Downey Jr. and James Spader were very good friends back in the 1980s.
Robert California ;)
I'm not sure Spader has ever been bad at anything. And his voice is one of the best in Hollywood. Smooth like a rich brandy.
"The sun's getting real low" and the hand touch trigger a post-hypnotic suggestion that makes Hulk calm down so Banner can reassert control.
I always found it weird when they try and explain that hulk and banner are 2 different ppl. But really..its just one. Hes one and the same. Whether the hulk form or human form.
"Post-hypnotic" what are you talking about?
Hulk just really likes women who are being nice to him. Just a base animal impulse.
@youtmeme yes, but he has dissociative identity disorder with at least two distinct personalities and they resent each other like two separate beings and often refer to the other like they are a different being
Yeah, post-hypnotic is nonsense. People love to expand on what they’re shown and make up head canon.
@@youtmeme
It's more complicated than just saying he is 1 or 2 people.
Dissociative identity disorder, is like taking a vase and breaking it. They are distinct separate pieces, but those pieces are still part of a larger whole.
Bruce banner was abused as a child, so he repressed some of his most basic human behavior. He repressed his anger, he repressed his confidence. And those manifested as a different personality that was unleashed in physical form after his nuclear accident.
Cap’s fear in a sense IS going home: Cap is a soldier... Cap is THE soldier. He cannot live without a war to fight; his sense of Justice and need to protect the little guy is too strong; he can’t stop himself but to step up to the plate. So, ironically, imagining a world where there is no threat, where there is no war, is terrifying to him. What would he do? Especially since, as you said: He LOST PEGGY! She was the only thing he could have hung up the Shield for and now he does not have that (Ultron even calls him out on it when he says to him: “God's righteous man… pretending you could live without a war”)
So that is the fear he saw in his vision: Peggy telling him “The war is over, Steve: We can go home!” and then the room being empty of people because Steve knows Peggy is dead and he has no one to go home to...!
An interesting take.
My take was that he fears giving in to the temptation of an easy life. From the very beginning, he has been told that he ought to take the easier road and give up by every single character except Peggy. He fears that that will make him less of a person.
It is only at the end that he conquers that fear, and has his own “you can rest now, we’re going to be okay “ style moment.
@@notmee2388i feel like it’s definitely a mix of both cus i interpreted both op’s and a lil of yours lol
@@TDhexada fair
@@TDhexada I found op’s take compelling as well
Yes! So many people loose this meaning that is very clear in that vision..
"Describe Ultron"
Shanelle: "It's Tony Dark"
My theater's biggest reaction was the Vision handing Mjolnir to Thor.
In mine almost everyone gasped, then the cheers came 😂
Same.
To me of all the dialog between Nat and Bruce the line, it makes everything easier even killing, really hits home why Nat thinks she is a monster. Also Bruce thinking that of himself is like yeah totally fair.
Okay... you got me....i I literally stopped what I was doing when i saw this pop up to watch it.
james spader is the voice of ultron. i've been yelling it out louder and louder every time she asks, but she can't hear me. i think that my neighbors might believe that i'm having an episode. he and william shatner together on boston legal, those were some of the best scenes ever on tv. i dare you, any of you, shanelle included, to watch that show and tell me that i'm wrong.
A few points I'd like to make:
1. It weren't suits who attacked, its the 'Iron Legion', bots made with basically the same tech as Tony's suits
2. Wanda showed them their worst nightmares, that includes things that happened already, like with Black Widow
3. Hulk and Bruce are TWO personalities, they share a lot but when Hulk runs away it's not Bruce's descision.
4. Calming down Hulk to make him transform back to Bruce is a mental conditioning thing, it's triggered by key words and sensations (touch)
5. In the end Wanda ripped out the 'heart' of ONE bot, the one escaped is of course another one, but they are all Legion
Love those reactions, can't wait to see what Infinity War and Endgame will do to you ...
Where are people getting this thing about "Mental Conditioning"?
Nobody has ever controled the Hulk long enough to do mental conditioning.
@@spencernaugleIt's more like a little ritual to get things started.
@@spencernaugle As said, Hulk and Bruce share a lot, different personalities but not completely seperated, so the conditioning is done more on Bruce's side.
Except a correction to that is:
The Hulk is many separate personalities not just 1.
@@JamailvanWesteringThat might be a comics thing. But it’s never been said in the MCU, and there’s no evidence for it.
"Don't turn green" -- would you want a 600 pound monster laying on top of you? *joke over Shan's head*
That is not true, Shan's reflexes are too quick, she would catch it....
@@rogerroger5171 I understood that reference
Beat me to it. LOL
"There may be no way to make you trust me." [Does the one thing that would make them trust him.]
For the record, the infighting in The Avengers, wasn't JUST because of the scepter. The feelings they had that they fought about were real things they felt/thought. The scepter intensified them all bringing it all out.
Ultron is basically personification of Tony's ptsd.
And narcissism.
James Spader does silky menace like No One Else!! ❤❤❤
I did not appreciate this one when it came out, but it has definitely grown on me over the years. So many great moments.
I don't care what nobody says I absolutely love this movie to the fullest❤❤❤❤❤❤
I was only disappointed the first time I watched the movie. But it has aged like fine wine.
It aged very well. Seeing so many pieces come into play for the next major movies makes it more rewarding.
I think people came around to it, with the ability of hindsight.
People hated it back then, cause they felt it didn't stand on its own. But it wasn't necessarily meant to. It was moreso meant to set up what was still to come.
I wish we could've had *MORE* Ultron, and the whole "Age" of Ultron last longer...but I otherwise love this movie
@@AscendedXSaiyan Yeah, it was more like "Week of Ultron". That's one overall complaint about the MCU - and often other superhero movies - that long-running villains in the comics are shown in one movie, and then killed off, never to be seen again.
I saw it for the first time a few months ago and I really enjoyed it, it's such an underrated gem and honestly one of my favourite MCU films so far
That’s just her “lullaby” for him. The sun’s getting real low is like a trigger phrase for him to calm down and return to being Bruce Banner
James Spader has always had a great speaking voice IMO. I love him in his tv show the blacklist
Ultron is James Spader. You might recognize him from The Blacklist or when he was younger in a bunch of 80s moves like Pretty in Pink or later in Stargate the movie
I only knew him from Secretary and The Office😭
@TheHeroClass they did a re dub of age of ultron with Robert California lines from the office, it's worth a watch
Do not forget that James Spader was in Less Than Zero (1987) with RDJ.
Zero is a dark movie.
Don't for get Boston Legal!
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Like any well-written story, it's more complicated than 1 simple reason.
The avengers personalities already were in conflict, and the scepter was tapping into that conflict and making it worse.
I love watching these movies again as an adult and picking up all the themes and little details. Like how Ultron is Tony's "son" so Ultron takes on Tony's habits like wanting to save the planet or constantly upgrading his equipment.
Oh MAN! I really hope you like this one!! It got a lot of flack upon release, but in retrospect I really think it does a huge amount in furthering the story of the MCU. And the vocal/acting performances from both Paul Bettany and James Spader are absolutely perfect for their respective roles. Can't wait to see what you think!!
The rest of phase 3 pretty much hinges off this movie.
I’d never looked into any of the behind the scenes stuff for this movie. I wouldn’t have ever guessed Spader was actually on set as Ultron. I always assumed it was voice over.
I can see Raymond Reddington in Ultron's facial expressions every now and then. It definitely makes him better than a fully CGI faceless robot.
There are several bts pictures of Ruffalo and Spader in full mo cap spandex having a blast 😊
We are almost in the 3rd Act of The Infinity Saga! And the first movie of Phase 3 makes Age of Ultron even better by consequence.
But first... Paul Rudd!
HUGE collective gasp from the audience when Cap nudged the Hammer,but when Vision handed it to Thor.... the audience errupted and cheered!
"Sun's gettin' real low" is basically a safe word they came up with I think
Thanks again for watching all of these. I Love your Marvel reactions. This is actually my favorite of all the Marvel movies! I like the dialogue, the direction, & the attention to the civilian bystanders.
Imagine if Hulk swung Thor like a hammer while Thor was swinging Mjollnir. Double whammy.
It is not a coincidence that Whedon is the one they use for the avengers movies. Very few directors and writers can do ensamble like he can. Buffy. Firefly. Avengers.
35:49 I very recently realized that Thor has had NO ONE in his life to actively compare how one holds Mjoilnir to Thors fighting style 😢 So when Vision comes up n is basically like “Yo, youre’ weapon is Kiiiinda Op” Thor stays the HH(HumbleHimbo) he is 😂❤”Naw its just Practical in Comabt, ya know?” 🤣🤣🤷🏽🫶
“A thing isn’t beautiful because it lasts.” -Vision
The single best line in the entire MCU.
I understand we get tired of the things we do every time, but I like your intro. Very clear knowing you stand as the BFF and resident movie watching pal. Gets me right away to know exactly what I'm getting into with your reactions.
"Sun's getting real low" - that whole thing is Black Widow's lullaby for Hulk. Basically trigger words to put Hulk to sleep and force him to transform back into Banner.
The important thing to understand is that Bruce Banner and the Hulk are NOT the same guy.
Banner doesn't like Hulk, and Hulk doesn't like Banner, and Hulk HATES being trapped in Banner and not being able to be Hulk.
Rejecting Black Widow at the end and flying off in the Quinjet is because Hulk doesn't want to be turned back into Banner.
For _Buffy_ fans, this movie is essentially _I Robot-You Jane_ with a budget.
Bwahahaha!
I would also add that Wanda pulling out Utron’s heart mimics Buffy pulling out Adam’s power source.
@@phillipray4380 My reaction to the research centre collapse at the start of _Avengers_ was “Holy Sunnydale!”
@@donsample1002 😂
Oh, the heartbreak yet to come.
You're right Shanelle. That was really emotional. Us comic book nerds had been waiting for Cap to say the line...
When it came out this fell a little flat for a number of people. After the first Avengers , GotG and the winter soldier expectations were sky high. I personally liked it and I feel like it's become more respected over time. There are a lot of little things that pay off in later stuff sprinkled in this one.
The reason Natasha tells Bruce not to turn green in the chaos of the Stark tower party is that The Hulk isn't very good at directing the rage. He just SMASHES! He would tear the tower apart. In the first Avenger movie, when Hulk first appears (morphs) on the helicarrier it is not a good thing.
Maria Hill warns Fury that "The Hulk will tear this place apart" Which is Loki's plan and The Hulk almost does just that. Only stopping because he jumped out onto the fighter jet.
BTW, in the comics, Ultron is much more formidable. But I get it, we got other big baddies ahead.
Thanos is a beast!!!
I think at the time many of us were kinda let down by this movie because we expected some sort of big climax like Avengers 1, but bigger, based on where it was in the timeline and the momentum. Also a lot of the "Phase 2" movies were starting to set a MCU specific tone, that would become iconic by the end of Phase 3, but this movie felt a lot more like a Phase 1 movie in ways. All that being said, in hindsight it works a hell of a lot better as a transitional chapter with a lot of set up than it did trying to bear the weight of expectations at the time. I think a lot of people who were disappointed by it initially actually think more fondly of it now than they originally did, if they've revisited it.
Agreed, well said.
No one dies permanently in the comics. But MCU movies usually kill the villain, and Whedon likes to kill someone good while they’re at it.
Who was it? Joss Whedon, George Martin and JJ Abrams who like to kill characters?
Whedon's normal habits tend to weaken this film in my view. And he shouldn't have done that to Wash.
Natasha tells Bruce to not turn green because he's on top of her. She doesn't wanna get crushed.
-Natasha's vision showed her haunted memories of her past.
-Thor's vision was just like Tony's at the beginning where he saw his world's destruction and everyone he loved dead
-Cap's vision was taunting him by showing him the life he never got to have had he returned from the war instead of going in the ice
As far as some background on the twins....
In the comics, Wanda and Pietro are part of the X-Men universe. They're not just mutants, but more specifically, they're the biological children of X-Men supervillain Magneto. Now as far as the movies go, the rights to all X-Men characters were owned by 20th Century Fox. Until Disney bought Fox in 2019, all X-Men movies were produced under Fox Studios. Now regarding this movie, director Joss Whedon fought for permission from Fox to allow him to use the X-Men characters of Pietro and Wanda. Fox granted him the rights but there were conditions. They weren't allowed to use the code names of Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch, and they weren't allowed to refer to them as "mutants". "Mutant" is a comic book term that universally refers to characters in the X-Men world-both heroes and villains. So the term "mutant" was off the table. Instead, the twins were constantly referred to as "enhanced".
Also also, being that their comic book father Magneto wouldn't be a part of the MCU, they had to change the family history of the twins and instead made their parents simple Sokovian civilians rather than having a genocidal maniac for a father.
I was so happy seeing Linda C as Clint’s wife. Yes she is a shield agent and I do hope they bring more of her history into play
If you think about the movies from the 80's, Spader kind of IS a dark Downey Jr.
The boy twin, aka Quicksilver played Kick-Ass and one of his buddies in that film played Quicksilver in the X-Men franchise.
I really enjoy this movie. Definitely underrated in the MCU. Super rich in character development, resources are really explored, it has everything. Chillin on the couch after party at 4am, to global extinction.
When Pietro says, "You didn't see that coming," right as he dies, it was a very meta line. It had been leaked that a protagonist, possibly an avenger, would die in this movie. All of the clues throughout the movie pointed to the idea that it would be Clint Barton. Right at the moment that you thought it was finally going to happen and Clint was about to die, Pietro jumps in and ends up being the one to die. It was very surprising. I'm sure others will go into explaining why they had to kill him off so I'm not going to get into that now, but it's something that would be helpful to know for somebody who wasn't watching this movie when it came out and following all of the gossip around it.
I figure a speedster would make the fight against thanos and other threats simpler. Since most marvel threats could be ended/avoided if someone was fast enough.
Which is why dc has to up the antie since they have a few speedsters on hand.
@fireeaglefitnessmartialart935 Looking through the comments, I don't see anybody else bringing it up, so I will explain it briefly. At this time, Fox owned the rights to anything related to mutants or the X-Men. Wanda and Pietro had been part of both the Avengers and the x-men. Both franchises wanted to use the characters at about the same time, and they were working out the legalities of it. Fox would exclusively reserve the right to use the titles Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver. They agreed that they would each use both characters in one movie but that the MCU would be able to continue using Wanda, and the fox X-Men Universe would be able to continue using Quicksilver. This is why Pietro had to be killed off and could not continue in the MCU. What you said might have some bearing on why they ended up with Wanda instead of Pietro, I'm not sure, but this is the story on why they couldn't keep both.
The fact that people regard this as the 'weakest' Avengers movie shows just how good the overall quality is. There's a lot to like even if it is a bit of retread of the first movie and it could be more accurately called 'Weekend of Ultron'.
I never understood why people hated on this movie. I love the first Avengers movie but this one is the one I prefer to watch. I think it just gives me Buffy vibes more!
I never got it either. A hardcore comic nerd tried to explain to me that they changed too much from the comics it was based on but that happens all the damn time when adapting movies from other materials. I thought it was great. I'm not sure I think it was better than the first movie but it certainly didn't deserve a lot of the hate it got.
I think people didn't like that ultron wasn't made by antman, the original creator of the character, and he wasn't even in the movie at all.
I was aware of that, but wasn't enough to swade me personally.
@@ashleighelizabeth5916 As one of those fans, my issue was that they took an epic dimensional and timeline hopping story and just did basic fights with Ultron. The film was good for what it was. They just squandered a story on the level of "Endgame" for it. The "Age of Ultron" comics would be well suited for a series of movies involving not only the Avengers but the X-Men and tons of other characters we haven't seen on screen yet.
Tony joking about "Prima nocta" is in really poor taste.
I love how everybody has heard of Wakanda. Even people who haven't watched the MCU.
I feel like this movie is an 8/10, but imo the other avengers movies are 9s and 10s so this is somehow my least favourite avengers movie, but its still amazing, i always love bruce saying 'go ahead piss me off'
The sponsored service doesn’t actually list the full price for the eventual collection anywhere on their site, which I think is a very anti-consumer practice. So I made a spreadsheet of the fluctuating subscription cost (they did not make this easy) and the full collection will cost $2,867.61 over the course of 48 monthly payments. Average payment is around $63.26.
I knew he did the voice of Ultron, but I didn't realize that Jame Spader actually did any physical acting in this. Always thought it was a wholly CGI character.
"Veronica".
In the Archie comics there are Betty and Veronica. Bruce's love interest is Betty Ross.
Pretty farfetched, but ok.
@@The_RedVIIINo, he’s right
And even more fitting, in Archie Comics Betty is the nice one, Veronica's the meaner one
@@The_RedVIII That's exactly it, though. Veronica is the opposite of Betty in archie comics, just like veronica is designed to take down hulk, where Betty is his girlfriend
@@qjinx1 The whole ‘good girl’ v. ‘Bad girl’ trope.
Maybe even where it started.
Cap is easily my favorite, Steve is the leader of the Avengers, but since RDJ (and Jon) are the reasons the MCU became as big as it did Tony is always in a big spotlight. Deservedly so!
This isn't many people's "favorite" Avengers movie, but it is my favorite. The justification is a bit spoiler-ish though. It's all cream of the crop from here on through Endgame.
This is one of my favourites not a wasted frame in the whole movie and one of the best villains and best villain performances from spader
Paul Bettany was the voice of Jarvis until Ultron. Now he plays Vision. He is also married to Jennifer Connelly
A lot of great things happened in this movie that really moved the overall story forward. Terrific to see the updated lineup for the Avengers!
James Spader was a perfect choice to do the voice of Ultron.
In the Marvel Universe as the whole there’s different levels of population. The Avengers represent worldwide threats. The Guardians of the Galaxy represents the galaxy threats. If you get into the Netflix shows then you’ll get what is called the street level threats.
And their are other threats I won't reveal because of spoilers
And then there is Deadpool, which represents bowel level threats
"I'm sorry" is the best comedic moment, possibly ever.
Does anyone know if the tooth would regenerate? My instinct is yes.
@@Wix_Mitwirth That was a very funny moment. Along with the rapid punching..."Got to sleep!...Go to sleep!" 😂
Yeah his tooth probably grew back before the end of the fight
19:25 the thing about the team is that they all have the *same* fear- that they have no place in the world, because they’re monsters.
Widow was trained and mutilated to kill. Thor is a “destroyer.” Steve can only function in wartime. Hulk is…Hulk.
And Tony thinks the world will end if he doesn’t work fast enough to stop it.
Their belief in their own monstrosity unites them.
“The sun is getting low” is a play on ‘sundowning’, the affect of an Alzheimic patient changing personality at twilight.
I’ve always thought of it more as ‘stoking your fire.’ Making that which is bright & hot (his rage) lower & just below the surface (sundown).
@@goldenageofdinosaurs7192 I always saw it as "The day's done, time to pack it in"
Banner/Hulk wants to run away because he doesn't believe he can control himself from hurting innocent people. You know, that whole fight scene in the city with "Veronica"? (Iron Man in a giant suit)
James Spader was originally hired to just voice Ultron, but he asked if he do the motion capture too.
MCU kicks into epic mode with Winter Soldier, Civil War, Infinity War, Endgame
There was a little bit of an outrage surrounding one scene of this movie. In that scene where Nat and Bruce are talking and she's mentioning her sterilization procedure a lot of people took issue because she labels herself a monster after explaining that procedure. People took that to mean she thinks of herself as a monster because she is sterile. I personally didn't take it that away. I took it as her past as a russian agent is what she thinks made her a monster and when she talked about the procedure she was explaining it as something done to her to make her more effective with violence. She's comparing that procedure to the procedure that resulted in Banner becoming the Hulk. While Banner experimented on himself the result wasn't intended to happen and it turned him into the Hulk against his will She isn't saying she's a monster because she can't have children. She's a monster because things were ripped from her to make her effective at killing. I could be wrong about my take and if I am then I accept that but it think it all comes down to Whedon placing the monster line after Nat explained her sterilization procedure which wasn't the best place to put it. Maybe have Nat say, "they ripped these things from me to turn me into a killer against my will. Still think you're the only monster?" Or maybe have Banner refer to himself as Frankenstein's monster which is more of an apt comparison than a generalized monster.
My main beef with this movie is that it's just wrong. You won't get an extinction level event from something pulled by earths gravity. Objects travelling at that speed is pulled by the sun
I'm loving these MCU reactions Shanelle. Thankfully there's still a tonne of them left to enjoy.
That speech from Hawkeye has me ready to go out And fight robots
None of this makes any sense.
Your reaction has made me appreciate this movie more. It’s been a long time since I’ve seen it and it’s a lot better than I remember it when compared to, well, we’ll just say films of today.
Ultron’s origin story was born being rejected by a girl who was pretty in pink. And it’s cool to see you’ve met Magneto’s kids.
She kinda looks like an older version of Logan's daughter in the movie
I hope she watched the X-Men movies and the Logan movie when it happens because we we want her to watch Deadpool and Wolverine when it comes out in streaming
Please give the Star Trek franchise a chance.
Which one?
I guess my feeling is that if you're going to do Star Trek, you might as well start with a handful of episodes of TOS and then watch the Captain Kirk movies.
@@UTU49 She don't have to watch everything! Maybe: top ten Classic episodes = Star Trek 1 to 6 = top twenty "The Next Generation" episodes = Star Trek 7 to 10 = the three J.J. Abrams Star Trek movies? ✌️
@@martinbraun1211
Yeah. I was thinking maybe just 3 - 5 episodes of Old Trek and then go straight to the movies. I really liked Star Trek 2, 3, & 4. I haven't seen them in years, though.
19:15 Reminder that Agent Carter exists as a show.
You have to remember, Banner and Hulk are two separate identities. They work independently of each other. One doesn't know what the other is doing when the other is in control of the body....
You do realize Cap knew he could lift it, he chose not to. Its all in the script
Loved Clint in this movie. He really came into his own
Excelsior. That was Stan’s sign off word When he was the editor of Marvel comics and he had a column every month, we talked about the latest stuff he would sign off with that word we all loved him for that so him saying it here is super Duper fan service
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Couple of things that may explain it:
Bruce probably was tired of always turning into the hulk, especially against his will. He said he didnt want to turn but natasha threw him and forced it upon him. Like imagine several years of loki, natasha, wanda etc just forcing u to be in mental pain and having to live with the consequences because of the destruction u caused against ur wishes.
Hes also already expressed the possibility of stopping the hero journey regardless, even as a doctor, because even though he couldnt have kids, he still was close to running away with natasha and ending his time as an avenger. And clint wanted to retire, tony was debating whether to stop and build on his home life, and maybe bruce wanted to retire aswell
23:46 Reminds me of Gunslinger Girl. Henrietta's story is way more heartbreaking.
Some time after watching this, I starting watching The Black List, and I cannot unhear Ultron.
While I typically always prefer release order, I personally very much recommend watching Black Widow’s movie after Civil War, which is where it begins in the timeline. Just DO NOT watch the second end credit (the mid credit is fine) until you get to the movie’s release order.
Big agree. And Honestly I don’t think that end credit is a big deal; Nick Fury has one of those at the end of Winter Soldier, it could just be seen as good spy strategy. And if she did it early enough, by the time it became relevant it would not be top of mind.
That would be god awful. The end credit scene would ruin everything
@@themiIes nope. That’s why you should read the replies
@@notmee2388 I did. And I highly disagree. It would ruin a whole lot. Stop explaining it, you are spoiling enough already.
Shanelle: "Fighting demons, everyone in this movie". The comic book genre, specifically Marvel, is built on the classic Greek literature concept of "the flawed hero". The hero not only has to overcome the bad guy, but also his or her self.
"I'm so bored of my intro, you guys."
Fun fact: the piano player on Mister Rogers' Neighborhood was an unbelievably talented jazz pianist named Johnny Costa, who initially resisted Fred Rogers' offer to be the musical director for the show, as he felt it would get old really quick. He finally agreed, as long as Rogers promised him he would never use recycled intro music that got old. Mister Rogers wanted him on the show so badly that he agreed he could play the intro song live on set for every single episode--which he eventually did. Mister Rogers had to sing that song almost 900 times, never recycling the audio once, and Johnny Costa improvised his arrangement of the song every time, and never played it exactly the same way twice.
Not sure how this turns into advice. Maybe you just need a catchy intro song? :) You always have a guitar behind you, that only comes out for a couple of the livestreams, and I'm getting such a "Chekhov's gun" vibe from you having it in the shot all this time.
Me over here screaming “James Spader”!! At my phone 😂
Age of Ultron is widely underrated, I think. I like the character moments and development throughout the film, I like Nat/Banner (which I think is a pretty unpopular take), I enjoyed the writing. Much better than it’s usually given credit for. Glad you enjoyed it!
The scarlet witch was surprised with what she saw in Tony’s vision.
Shan unknowingly just predicted Vision’s death
How about you shut up with spoilers dude?
What doesnt kill you just makes you stranger.
I thought it was great! That last scene of the whole group taking on the robots.😳🔥💥💀