Alex, love your videos. One thing that all auto reviewers fail to recognize is that once you live with a car as us mortals do, you begin to appreciate Mazdas dial. They’re one of the few companies that do infotainment dials right and sadly no reviewer ever has their cars long enough to see what us owners actually go through (I’m a former owner, and my wife had one too) . Once you learn it, it’s hands down easier than having to look down at a screen and press a capacitive button on a touchscreen. Not only easier but it’s safer too. Put yourself in our shoes for once. Imagine living with any of these cars for years as we all do and it’ll start to give you a slightly different perspective.
It's not that great. They limit the number of items in things like playlists and contacts. I have two Mazdas. My Miata's unit is dog slow. I can be a mile down the road and it's still booting. The CX-5 is better but still not instant on like you'd get in a Kia or a VW. On the CX-5 with android auto you have to go through several steps to full screen a window. Do I hate it? No, but do I love it? Also No
I never understood the complaints about the dial. It is quite good,and most times I would use Siri for navigation/music. It is certainly less distracting than using a touch screen like on my wife's Sierra. I appreciate that sometimes you just want to click on a button and be done with it, but the dial is pretty easy to use.
@@tomdoe1234 Perfectly legitimate for me to compare it because you did not provide any model year to give your slam comment any appropriate context. The model above is a brand new one, as is my 23 MX-5 RF. Our boot time experience is far more relevant since buyers want to know how it is on new models, not your ancient '21 model.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. I don’t care about what razor thin slice of the market Mazda is trying to capture with 3 different vehicles taking up more or less the same kind of vehicle in the CX30, CX50, and CX 5. Mazda has the best driving dynamics and luxury interiors for its given price point. I’ve owned a RAV 4, CRV, and I’m on my 4th Mazda. The brand, in general, is so woefully underrated. It’s sad. Do me a favor if you took the time to read this far, get one. The brand deserves way more credit as a manufacturer than it gets.
I love the CX-50. I never drove one, but I've built tens of thousands. Yes. I work at MTM in Alabama where it is built. Of course I want a better job within my education but it is satisfying to see these on the road.
You folks in Alabama make a damn good car! Happy with my CX-50 and chose it over the Ford Bronco Sport for a variety of reasons, one reason is the Mazda is made in the USA and the Bronco Sport is made in Mexico.
I had a CX50 loaner car for the day and have to say that it was very nice. Drove like a car, felt peppy, and was elegantly nice (like a Volvo) inside. If you are looking for cars, be sure to test drive a Mazda and you will see how they are “premium” in comparison to a Toyota or Honda.
But...BUT...Mazda's line of vehicles, though nice and of good quality...also TEND TO RUN SMALLER AND WITH WORSE VISIBILITY FROM THE ALL IMPORTANT DRIVER'S SEAT than Honda and Toyota's (and Hyundai/KIA'S...) line of corresponding vehicles, so I strongly suggest you test drive every vehicle you're considering buying prior to making your decision. Good luck!
Test drove the cx-50 recently, was not impressed. Driver assist was rudimentary, interior felt dated, and the drive experience was just fine. The Subaru Forester and Outback had much better driving experience.
It doesn't lmao. It's shaky af, nowhere near the smooth drive of German cars. It's more quiet than the cheap alternatives, but certainly still not as quiet as most German cars.
Agree I love it, my wife loves it. It feels premium and once you get used to it your eyes are still on the road and not scrolling apps. Never understood the hate of the knob.
I have a mazda 3 and Cx-5, the knob is the bane of my existence. Worst part about the car by far. I know 5 others with mazdas and nobody likes it, they tolerate it but have all asked “how di i enable the touch screen?”
@@hondajohn6948you dont get touchscreen in the mazda infotainment system outside of apple carplay or android auto. And for the driver to reach the screen you will have to stretch as the screen is recessed in the dash.
The cargo area is much more useful than a RAV4 though. The extended depth is much nicer to have than extra height when you have larger objects like a stroller.
Works for me. I had accord coupes for years. Tried a CRV and hated it, so I traded for rav4. I loved the looks of the Rav but it was numb and boring to drive. Enter the cx50. I love its looks, and the interior. That paired with being fun af to drive and I’m thrilled. Finally someone got it right. And I love the dial and screen set up. It’s classy and non intrusive. I am here to drive, not stare at a screen.
I just bought a cx-50 select, I had a cx-5 and loved the 50 more. I think the one thing about the suspension is that the rougher ride is not from the torsion beam, it’s the rims. I got out of a lower end cx-5 to a lower end cx-50 with 17 inch rims and I could not tell the ride difference at all. The bigger tires and smaller rims make a huge difference! Alex, when you test a 2024 cx-50, please test a lower end model with 17 inch rims, the ride is dramatically better with that extra 1.5 inch sidewall!
This obsession with large tires is just dumb. Car and Driver looked at the effects of larger rims back in May 2010, and it was basically all downside for day to day driving. Going from 15" rims to 19" rims with the same outside diameter resulted in 10% increase in fuel consumption and 4% slower 0-60 times. Unsprung weight increased by 14lbs each wheel/tire combo, couple that with lower, stiffer sidewalls and ride deteriorates, like you said. Forgot to mention, lower profile tires are of course more expensive, while also being more prone to wheel and tire damage.
@@SirOsisofLiver Lots of mid sized ev like the Arya come now with standard 19'' rim . Stupid thing especially on these 5000 lbs ev it won't be cheap to replace often
@SirOsisofLiver I passed on a cx5 GT. With 19 in tires and bought a touring with 17 in tires because I live in Pennsylvania plus 19 in cost 100.00 more
2019 Mazda3 owner with the current-gen rotary knob, and i love it. It's the safest infotainment system on the market. It can be operated smoothly and quickly. The combo of the infotainment system and HUD make this an effective and safe setup, which allows your eyes to never dip below the dash.
I still can’t find a reviewer who didn’t shit on Mazda’s non touch screen and controls. Mazda does the right thing and everyone demands an IPad built into the dash. What’s wrong with you 😂
100% agree... I'm in tech my whole life and this coms from the same people that complain that Macbooks don't have touchscreen.... These technologies should be applied where it's needed... I'm between CX-50 and XC-40 and the stupid google tablet on the XC-40 drove me away from the get-go. I own a CX-5 2017 upgraded to Apple Carplay myself changing the module and it's absolutely amazing... I've never had a problem-free dash in any other brand.
It's true and I think it's because the reviewers are in and out of different cars day after day. A touch screen is easier to learn when you don't know the system BUT for an owner that lives with it the dial is much better and far safer to use when driving. I bought my first Mazda a year ago, a CX-90, and after a bit of "How does this work?" you can put me in the love the dial camp.
My father in law asked for a vehicle recommendation to replace his Ford Escape. I said to look at Mazda and see what strikes him. He ended up getting a new midrange CX5, and was very thankful for my suggestion. Personally I think the exterior is nicer than the CX50 (I'm not sold on that cladding), but the interiors on both are probably the best at that price. His also has the smaller wheels with higher-profile tires, which I think is a good choice considering the roads in their town.
No way, I love the direction Mazda is going as a premium main stream brand like Volvo. In fact, Jason Cammisa of Hagerty, called the CX-50s steering the best steering in a main stream vehicle, even better than a Porsche 911 GT3. Only real enthusiast drivers will appreciate steering like that every other driver will call it too heavy. And I hope Mazda wants to still attract enthusiasts
I am having a hard time believing that 1. The rear suspension is not good to a degree you should be worried about it. 2. That most driver could even tell the difference between suspensions, especially with same tires and wheels.
I feel like this will probably wind up being a sleeper pick, but the loss of an under $30k base trim will probably be a deal breaker for many customers (even though yes I know it comes with a lot of nice stuff). Somehow I get the sense that some of these will sit on the lot for a while then become better bargains next year.
To be fair, the “base trim” for the 2023 CX-50 only existed on paper as it was never produced. The “base trim” had been the $34K Preferred Plus for a long time until they started making the $31K Select a few months ago.
You can get the CX-5 under 30. My wife was looking for a new car and there were two of them under 30K. We ended up buying the top non turbo trim for 38K sticker and got 1,500 off sticker. We looked at CR-V first and the Honda dealers wanted 4-5K over sticker and wouldn't budge down much at all. The best we could get off similar trim CR-V was around 44K. For 36.5 vs 44K it was a no brainer to go with the Mazda. Very happy with the choice so far the CX-5 drives beautifully. We did test drive a CX-50 back to back and they drive the same so I'm sure that would be a great choice too.
Quiet is very important to me. So I really appreciate that you include that measurement and you mention the decibel level. Would be nice if you put the decibel level in the 'noise' box!
The only thing I dislike is it only touchscreen when CarPlay or android auto is on, they think it’s “less distracting” than a touchscreen instead they use a knob. At least it’s better than Acuras touchpad which originated from most Lexus vehicles.
@@BigAltimaEnergy719 the newer interface yes. But not their older Entune 3. I personally hate the new interface. The old Entune 3 w CarPlay and android auto was so much better
@@naveenthemachine I get a lot of returning customer at a Toyota dealership I work at trust me the number one complaint is that new infotainment system on most new Toyotas, and the stupid app u have to download for it to work properly, its not optional. Some of them rather trade the car back in for something else and that seems to be the case here.
Got a Mazda 3 as loaner for my Mazda 6. The rear suspension is definitely noticable on speed bumps, dips and rough pavement. With its already firmer suspension, like most Mazdas, it would be a deal killer for me.
Interesting because I own a 2019 Mazda3 Manual Hatchback and its the smoothest car I’ve ever driven on the highway. You might be right about rough roads but on the highway the suspension is amazing. Almost like a true luxury car. Even on most mild to moderately bad roads it’s not even that much worse. I would say only on the worst roads does the torsion beam rear suspension fall out of asleep.
@@Maxfli82 My gen 3 mazda 3 honesty rode way better, that was an insane car for what I paid ($23k for GT sedan/manual). Plus it had way more rear headroom than even the gen 4 hatch does. The spec sheet says only about half an inch but my head was against the ceiling in the Gen 4 while I could fit 6'4" adults in my gen 3 sedan.
Because there are fewer parts, the torsion beam setup is generally more durable than a multi-link setup. It also requires fewer bushings. Down the road, fewer wear and tear components will need to be replaced. This is why they put it on the 50. Tougher suspension for off road. That is what the 50 was supposedly made for right?
@@imdone1967 Sad to see 4 cv joint in the rear with that torsion beam, as well put a live axle like on a jeep for sturdiness .When I see this set-up ( 4 cv joint without IRS ) it always reminds me the set-up of the first chrysler 4x4 minivan
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I asked myself the same questions a year ago and ended up settling with the CX5. I think it's more premium than the cx50 and better for me as taller guy. The rear suspension does make difference imho. Also I do prefer using the knob while driving, you just don't need to take your eyes out of the road. It is just bad for when you have to tap the address you're looking for at the gps, but I always do that while stopped and only use Android Auto, so I can tap in my phone. Not a big deal
I have a Turbo Meridian. My biggest complaint is the fuel economy and ride quality over rough surfaces. I’m getting like 16-18 MPG with 50/50 city and highway driving, though admittedly I’m constantly in traffic and drive quite hard. (Can you blame me tho? It’s so fun to drive!!) Driving over bumps also makes the entire car shake. Otherwise, I love my car. Have no issue with the infotainment system. Love love love the steering feel and torquey engine. The terracotta interior is gorgeous. And the exterior is beautiful as well. I have had so many compliments on the look of my car lol
the knobs are controls are the best... initially I thought its a pain without touchscreen.. but the buttons and knobs turned out to be the best after 2-3 weeks of driving
I have had my CX50 Turbo for 2 months now. I absolutely love this car. There is nothing in this price point that comes anywhere close to the amount of car you get with the cx50
I think the choice of the torsion beam rear suspension was made to increase cargo/ towing capacity and for better off road ability. After driving both the CX-50 and CX-5 I honestly don't notice much difference in the real world handling between the IRS and the torsion beam.
That air vent placement is actually correct. Unlike other cars, where the centerline of the vents is at two different levels, Mazda keeps that centerline uniform across the entire car, only changing the shape of the vents to suit the location. It makes for a much more uniform feeling from the HVAC with no weird hot or cold spots. Also, going with a torsion beam means that Mazda was able to really engineer the best torsion beam possible, instead of having a more expensive yet less well-optimized multilink.
I know you are not a fan of the infotainment system. I drive a 2029 F150, King Ranch. My wife drives a 2022 Maxda CX9 Signature. I much prefer the Mazda’s infotainment system. No reaching to the screen and something I use a lot in both vehicles Is the NAV. Twisting the Mazda knob to zoom in and out trumps a touch screen. The more I drive the Mazda the more I prefer it’s infotainment over the King Ranch.
Def hate having to touch any screen when perfectly good knobs are right there. I'll keep my screen smudge free tyvm and the Mazda switch gear feels great anyways.
I always thought the 6 speed auto in my 2013 CX5 shifted pretty fast. Ive been driving it in the pocono mountains for 12 years and use the manual feature a lot to slow down and speed up while saving the brakes.
Its width is bizarre. It bulges at the wheel wells in a way I haven’t gotten used to. It’s a shame because I think the grill is a great evolution of the CX-5’s style. It’s the best looking grill in Mazda’s lineup
''Its width is bizarre'' : but above all = useless , all the interior dimensions ( hiproom shoulder room, etc ) ,are smaller than the cx-5 which is 3'' less wide.
I just leased a 2025 CX-50 GT Turbo and absolutely love it. I just turned in a 2022 Chevy Blazer RS which I was “happy” with until my buyout process got me shopping around. I needed/wanted something sporty that can tow 3500 lbs at least. I found this vehicle actually has all the features I wished my blazer did and for less money. The blazer had sensors for all kinds of stuff but didn’t actually have a useful function tied to them. (Weird combination the dealer ordered no doubt). I may still discover annoyances as it’s only been a week, but so far this feels like a near perfect fit and I enjoy driving it very much. The Honda and Toyota and Subaru dealers near me didn’t show new inventory on their websites but comparing after the fact I don’t think their offerings would have been as good. I hate CVTs and the towing requirement pretty much filtered out many options. In short the CX50 was a pleasant surprise.
I am confused most reviewers picking cx5 over cx50 which is newer vs. 7 year old cx5. I am picking cx5 also as it makes more sense. But if Mazda replacing cx5 with cx50 that does not make any sense specially if cx5 is their best selling vehicle.
I’d add that for me personally, I think I’d much rather go with an RDX SH-AWD base + tech. It’s a bit more at $46k but they give you a lot of stuff in the RDX even starting with the base. And I love the way sh-awd drives (technically i-vtm4 in my Honda). If I could do without navigation and real leather, the $43k base RDX is very tempting.
My wife has a 2021 CX-30. She loves it. I drive a 2020 RDX SH-AWD Tech. The audio system interface is the only real complaint with the RDX. I occasionally find it infuriating yet, even though I don’t drive the CX-30 that often, Mazda’s rotary knob is much easier to use. However, the RDX is REALLY fun to drive and makes a far superior road trip car.
@@mj8495 thinking back, I had a CX-50 as a service loaner once. I had thigh support issues also. The seat, as well as the seat in the CX-30, has limited range of adjustments available as compared to my RDX Tech.
I have to disagree with you on that because the model RDX you’re talking about doesn’t have rain sensing wipers like on the CX 50, doesn’t have a head up display like my CX 50 has, no power folding mirrors like my CX 50. Now, I don’t have the turbo CX50 so the RDX is going to be up on power compared to my CX 50!
Mazda is brilliant my friend just bought a CX-50 and what you get for the price, it's incredible. Style, smooth drive, minimalist interior cabin. It's luxurious, a great price, solid reliability. And they offer 0% financing on certain models and trims. Terrific value.
Alex, Mazda may or may not be "trying to juggle too many balls" 0:34 but you were certainly 'walking a tightrope' in your effort to provide a diplomatic evaluation of the CX-50. I will be more blunt, the Torture Beam Rear Suspension® ain't gonna cut it and the lowered headroom is a joke. So there! 🤨
The CX 50 Turbo is 40 k and has the same drive train leather interior 20” wheels etc as the model you reviewed. I’ve driven the crv and Toyota Rx four and those cars do not handle,accelerate,or deliver the quality driving experience of the cx 50. You mentioned the cx 50 as being in the class of the 52k awd lexus compact SUV. The Honda and Toyota suvs are not in the same league as the premium suvs and the 40k cx50 turbo. I agree that the rotating controller takes some time to learn but after a few weeks this system is intuitive and safer than all touch screens which require reaching for the screen vs twisting a knob. Pretty petty but not nearly as petty as your comments on the Mazdas rear suspension. Finally your review was detailed which is nice you spent too much time discussing what the car doesn’t have…hybrid design. If you are reviewing hybrids do that
To me, the CX-50 doesn't really improve on the aspects lacking in the CX-5, but adds negatives in the questionable seat design (up the crack seam), less cohesive interior, and that cost-cutting torsion beam rear suspension. And then to top it off, it costs more than the CX-5. I don't want the cosplay of big plastic cladding all over the place either, so...
I cross shop the CX-50 against the Outback, CRV, RAV4, and CX-5. The CX-5 has better put together interior, IRS, and overall better price. I didn’t care for the panoramic moon roof nor the front passenger air vent in the CX-50. Everything in the front seemed to be off center a bit and not the driver focus that I hope for. At the end I bought the CX-5 instead. I know it’s an older design but it’s still hold up well against the competitions (except for volume). The fit and finish on the Cx-5 is much better than the CRV I sampled at a much lower price. It’s no wonder that it still sells in large volume. Mazda needs to rethink their product strategy. Their recent North American products have not been as good as it used to. Sure the CX-90 is really nice but it has not been the home run product that the brand had hope. I wish Mazda well since this is the second Mazda I purchased. I am no brand loyalist but I am looking forward for their future vehicles.
You said you also tested the Outback. What are your thoughts about it v. the CX-5? I’m looking at both right now so would be good to hear your opinion. Thanks!
@@LookingGlass24 although the Outback has a bit more cargo space, it does not have as many features for my money. I really wanted the Bose stereo and power lift gate. I had to jump to a premium trim to get them. I am also not a big fan of the Outback’s driving dynamics and touch screen. Everyone’s buying priorities are different. Hope that helps..
I agree, I think Mazda have some great options in their lineup but a hybrid would be great especially in this segment. Although they are a small company. I know the CX-90 PHEV is available but that’s a whole step up in size and price.
Poor use of space and poor fuel efficiency is the major frustration for me on the cx-50. I also wish manufacturers would stop putting too big of wheels on tip trims. At least some amount of rubber is necessary for an acceptable ride. And that lack of rear independent suspension.. when he’s saying “if you’re on a less than perfect road like this” I’m thinking… that road looks 100x better than anything within 90 miles of me. I hope they continue to tweak some things for this model.
My main concern is whether that rear suspension kills the fun as much as the current 3 vs the previous Mazda 3 did. If so, then it’s a bad development from the CX5.
I came to love the rotor control for the infotainment system from Mazda. Once you get use to it the systems in very intuitive and Mazda did a perfect job of locating the rotor. I find that I have learned the system so well that I can do most things with only a very brief look at the screen and in some cases without looking at the screen at all. The Mazda rotary system reminds me of the system in an Audi I had but better than Audi's. Sometimes if I want to use a specific app, I use Apple CarPlay which works as a touch screen. The one beef I have with Mazda is that their radios do not offer SiriusXM. I am seriously looking at purchasing a CX-50 Turbo Premium. The turbo is more fun for the money than the law allows.
I recently got a 2024 Mazda CX-5 Turbo as I liked it over the CX-50. I found the CX-5 nicer on the interior, the seats more comfortable and I won't be venturing off road and rarely if ever on dirt or gravel roads. It took a week or two to get used to the rotary knob controls for the infotainment. Now I like it. I even find myself reaching for the control knob when I'm in our other car, which is a 2017 Toyota Camry with touch screen. I think if you are comfortable using a computer, you will probably like and even prefer the rotary knob after a short learning curve. It's the same type of hand eye coordination as using a mouse without looking at the mouse. But everyone is different. Spend some time like a half hour sitting in Mazda at the dealership and see if you think you can get used to it. Interestingly I tried the TouchPad system in the Acura RDX and decided it wouldn't work for me. The Mazda controls are rotary of course so they are different. Also the 2024 Mazda models have the option to enable touch screen for apple carplay/android auto and if you have one of those apps you will problably spend a lot of time using that interface.
I rewarded myself with a CX-50 Turbo premium in zircon sand/terracotta. This Mazda checks all the right boxes if you need utility but are a driving enthusiast. Always look forward to my next drive.
I’d love to know the price difference of rav4 hybrid similarly appointed to my non turbo CX-50 premium plus. We get 31mpg on a trip. How long to hybrid batteries last and how much to replace them. Where do hybrid batteries go to die?
I don't understand this whining about the infotainment. It's not like Mazda has the first to come up with such a system. Most of the premium brands have such a system. Even some very expensive cars like Aston Martin's do not have touch screen because they use a similar controller based system. Why? Because they are driver focused cars and such a system is 100% better during driving than any touch screen based interface can ever be. Everything I, and probably majority of people, do during driving, is easier with the central controller. All the common tasks like changing music albums or playlists, scrolling through phone contacts, switching between Waze, music and messaging apps, is better done with the controller than with touch screen. I can go at 150km/h on a highway and still comfortably scroll through my albums list without being much distracted. With touch it's literally impossible as I would have to lean forward, and look away from the road (because the screen is put more on the side to be reachable) and either tap many times on the screen or try to drag the menu to scroll. Whining about not having a touch screen is such a plebeian complaint made by phone junkies. All the driving oriented premium cars have a similar system to Mazda. So it begs the question if those reviewers even drive cars.
Haven't driven a CX50 yet but drove my son's CX5 halfway across the US and absolutely loved it. The cruise assist was much better than my Honda Ridgeline RTL-E on the interstate and just as quiet. I'm not sold on the turbo though. 6 speed transmission is the way to go and love how Mazda stayed with it. Much less problems and cost to fix. Infotainment is easy to get used to and it makes sense. All the dash buttons and knobs don't clutter everything and leaves the interior clean and expensive looking. Mazda has found a good niche in the market especially when most are made in Japan. They just care more about their work.
I am truly flummoxed as to why so many auto journalists bash on Mazda about the lack of an IRS and an "ancient" six speed automatic. The vast majority of buyers dont drive at 9/10s or even 6/10s. We sit in traffic on I-5 instead. Quiet, comfortable, and easy to operate is paramount. Admittedly, Mazda is stubbornly sticking to the screen control know, which is ridiculous in 2023 to most buyers. But again, Mazda feels that the driver should be focused on driving... even while sitting in bumper to bumper gridlock on the freeway. Maddening, I know. 😮
Thanks as always for the terrific reviews, Alex. I've had the CX-50 for nine months now and it's been on rough-road camping trip,s curvy mountain roads and suburban driving. Quite pleased overall. Handling, road feel is great, and I am fine with the 186 hp engine in terms of power. Rotary dial system for infotainment works for me though there is a learning curve. I like knobs and buttons for climate control, too, although difficult to see A/C light on dash. Storage layout makes for an excellent camping vehicle. Only real complaint is having to take to dealer twice for Issues (front axle, body rattle), fixed under warranty.
I LIKE that they're keeping popular designs---- if something is GOOD-- DON"T Fix it!!!! I'm sick of these stupid companies thinking everything has to be NEW and better every year or sooner. I use LINUX on computer and you can't even get a distro installed and configures except what it hasn't ALREADY upgraded and changed before you finish doing that.. it's STUPID. NEWER IS NOT necessarily BETTER either.. as many think.
I live in the Silicon Valley and bought a brand new CX-30 several months ago. I have never owned or driven a car that I loved so much! This is a FANTASTIC vehicle! I came close to purchasing the CX-50; however, I didn't need something quite so big (for my daily driver). They are both similar and built on the same platform. If I bought another, I might pick the CX-50 -- because it's perfect for camping in the mountains and forests around us (in Northern California).
I owned a CX5 Turbo and test drove the CX50 Turbo thinking that the larger car would be more comfortable. Unfortunately, I was very disappointed with the driving dynamics compared to the CX5. I ended up buying a Kia K5 GT plus the $4k option package for my bigger, more comfortable vehicle and on my 28 mile highway loop got 39mpg. 0-60mph in 5.5 seconds ain't bad either !!!
...I never quite understood all the complaints with the infotainment system when a few yrs back both BMW & AUDI were using them in their vehicles, ( which MAZDA copied )...and not once did I hear or read about complaints of using a knob to control your radio and maps. Why? bcs we're talking about $50k plus vehicles combined with the prestige of driving them. But when MAZDA does it, complaints out the wazoo! I owned both a BMW and 2 MAZDA products, and have no problem with the infotainment.
My millennial daughter (child of the touchscreen era) has ZERO issue with the rotary knob vs. touchscreen in her (first car) CX-30. I think you are waaaayyy overplaying this “feature”. What we did discover when shopping Mazda vs. Hyundai, Kia, Honda, Toyota is that the Mazda was absolutely a step up from all of them- regardless of the tech specs of the rear suspension- for the same (often less) money.
But Mazdas DO RUN SMALLER WITH WORSE VISIBILITY from the driver's seat than ALL of the competing lines you list above. The wise thing to do is test drive ALL vehicles you're considering BEFORE making a decision. It's crazy NOT TO.
On the Rav4 Hybrid commentary: you aren't considering that even in your own backyard every Toyota dealer is adding $4-$6k 'distributor and dealer market adjustments' on Rav4 Hybrids - which lands you at nearly $50,000. And you can get a CX-50 for MSRP (or slightly less) - THOUSANDS less than the Toyota.
Hope that doesn't bite them in the butt. Everyone don't want a rugged car. Good to have the CX5 which I chose. If they stop making the Cx5 I will buy the Rav. I was hoping for a redesign and hoping they make Sirius XM standard on ALL trims.
I've been leasing Mazdas since May of 2016. I started with a 2016 Mazda3 hatchback Touring 2.0. In March 2018 I went to a 2018 CX-5 AWD Touring, following in June 2020 to a CX-5 FWD Touring (Florida, no snow, so I felt AWD wasn't necessary). On November 28, 2022 I leased a 2023 CX-50 Preferred Plus AWD. Is the CX-50 better than the CX-5, IMHO yes and no. I like the greater interior length and width. I miss the better door windows on the CX-5 (better noise suppression). I feel that the lower/wider stance of the CX-50 results in less body roll than the CX-5. I don't feel much difference in the rider quality with the different rear suspension. As for the touch screen infotainment system, it works as a touch screen at lower speeds. Above that I think it is better that it doesn't work as a touch screen as it can be a distraction (like using a hand-held cell phone while driving...wait, isn't using a rotary knob the same problems?).
We recently bought a CX-5. Not sure I understand the point of CX-50. There really isn't much difference. Test drove both and they felt the same to me. We ended up with the CX-5 because they had one with the options and in the color we liked but if those options/color had been in the CX-50 would have got that. I didn't do any research they only had 2023 CX-5 and the CX-50s were all 2024 so I figured it was the new version.
The CX-5 has never been a favorite of mine looks-wise . . . it's a little egg-shaped for my taste. The CX-50 makes the Mazda style language look much better, not out of date as far as I'm concerned.
That center console/shifter area is so bad thanks to the dial control for the infotainment. Also still using a 6-speed transmission?! The hybrid version of this can't come soon enough.
Performance is great but it needs an improvement in MPG's. As you stated an 8 speed trans is needed here which would improve many things. The independent rear is also needed as well. At its price point against the competition it should have both. I feel it falls just a touch short without those two things (IMO).
While possible to mix fuel grades, I highly recommend feeding any engine like this with high octane fuel 91/93. The combination of turbo induction/high piston compression(10.5)/direct fuel injection, will not play well with low quality fuel over many miles. Quality fuel + quality oil + timely maintenance = happy engine.👍
I was completely unaware that Mazda had low pricing as one of their goals. I found them to be way too pricey when I was trying to make a deal on a new CX-30 3 years ago. Needless to say we didn’t get very far. That particular vehicle’s is very small and way overpriced.
You say that you were only getting 21 mpg in this, but does Mazda have a break in period built into the ECU? I have a 21 Outback XT Touring, and when I first got it, it was only able to get roughly 20 mpg combined in normal driving. I could squeak 24 mpg out of it using some hypermiling techniques. I honestly thought something was wrong with it and I was determined to figure out how to get it to perform properly. After 8,000 miles, it jumped from roughly 24 to 29 mpg literally overnight. Once it reached 12,000 miles, it jumped from 29 mpg to low to mid 30s. I now consistently get 32-35 mpg out of it combined at 17k miles, and that is primarily short trips. Granted I learned all the quirks back when it was doing terribly, but it is capable of getting awesome fuel economy now considering the performance. Low 40s average on 55 mph roads. I know reviews have complained about the low fuel economy of the new turbo Subarus like the Outback and WRX, but it's obvious they have some sort of software break in built in. Does Mazda have something similar? You should drive a CX-50 that has like 15k miles and see what the mpg results are. You may be surprised how much better it does.
The biggest barrier to the CX50 for me is the seat in the upper trims...the S Select and S Preferred seats are very comfortable...can we Please get the turbo engine in the lower trims with the more comfortable seats?
I've watched about a dozen CX-50 reviews and I love how you point out the rear suspension so much because it's been driving me nuts! Why don't they at least offer it in higher trims.. Tho torsion beam is simpler and lighter which also helps saves on gas, but I'm really consider getting the CX-5 even though I love the look of the CX-50
@@naveenthemachine Also, I don't believe that Mazda ever brought out the base trim for 2023. I think that the lowest trim sold this year has been the Select, so the cheaper base trim is meaningless.
Fun fact: Jason Camisa of Hagerty said: THE STEERING CHANGES EVERYTHING! This is genuinely the best steering I've felt all year: it crucifies a 911 GT3 in terms of on-center feedback. @Porsche, @BMW, and every other brand that prides yourself on steering feel: go drive a CX-50 right now and take a lesson!
Great review for the time. The infotainment can be adjusted to full touch screen by going deep into the settings. The suspension has been tuned. Hybrid is coming out in 2025 all likely changing your scores and resulting in a very positive direction for the CX-50.
Really a great assessment by Alex on the CX50. Also appreciate him bringing up the lack or IRS which weirdly most reviewers never mention. Lack of IRS at this price point is insulting. Cost cutting at its worse. I also find the new interior layout in the CX50 lazy and uninspiring. The CX5 is more premium inside and out. I find the CX50 offering very confusing and not premium. Americans will buy it because they buy anything that is a box on wheels but I think Mazda missed the mark
Totally agree about the interior. We drove both over the weekend and while I did like the way the 50 drove more like a car, I found it extremely cheap looking inside and out. We ended up with a CX5 turbo and so far my wife just loves it compared to the 2022 Sante Fe we traded in for it. The Sante Fe is a beautiful and comfortable car, but we couldn't deal with the push button transmission and the constant beaping even though almost everything was turned off. Stop start was also anoying as hell, something Mazda doesn't torture you with.
This was an excellent video. Thank you! I, too, was a little perplexed as to why Mazda opted for the torsion bar instead of the independent rear suspension. Cost, for one, sure- but I look at it as a potential money saver down the road, as there are fewer bushings and couplings that can rust out and need replacing. The pano sunroof definitely should open all the way, like in my CX5. I don't mind the infotainment dial, only because I'm used to it. The CX50 OEM Eagle touring tires are not the greatest for longevity, similar to the Toyo A36 they use on the CX5. Smooth ride because they're on the softer side but for snow? An upgrade is warranted. The Heads Up display is a cool feature but can be distracting. I'll have to see if it can be dimmed or at least moved out of straight/direct line of sight. None of these issues kept me from putting up the down payment, though. In fact, I pick up my 2023 black CX50 Turbo Premium this coming Wednesday!
The CX-50 is another perplexing Mazda vehicle. The exterior looks great in spite of the cladding and the fake rear air vents, but the interior looks subpar compared to the CX-5’s. The panoramic sunroof is a great addition, but it doesn’t open enough. The handling is decent, but it’s hampered by the rear suspension. Overall, though, I would still chose it over the competition because they don’t create the emotional buzz that it does.
OMG Alex you spent a lot of time on this whole rear suspension that 99% of people will never feel. How many of us can get a rav4 (or whatever)for more than a 30min test drive which won’t include many types of roads. Previous owner of 2 cx5 (loved them) but go over a manhole cover in any type of bend in the road and the back end hopped now in my cx50 I don’t feel the same. At first my cx50 felt a lot different the steering especially but after driving it for some time now I’m used to it and I’d say whatever my 5 could do I can do in the 50. Oh and I up graded from my normal aspirated 5 to the turbo 50 as I felt the normal wasn’t as suited to the 6speed as the turbo is. I would rather not have 10 gears hu ting around all the time
You are so right, I had to get used to some things about the CX 50 because I was coming from a Lexus RX 350 but many of these things have subsided and I enjoy it even more now!
My family rented a late-model Mazda3 on a trip, and my sister and her boyfriend didn't like the infotainment system just because it didn't have a touchscreen. They always touched the screen to manipulate the navigation screen and I had to remind them about the navigation knob. They said that they won't buy a Mazda vehicle just because of that feature. I'm glad that Mazda made the phone projection-based part of the infotainment system touch-based, while I also see how they want people to use the navigation knob for the infotainment system, especially while driving.
Alex, love your videos. One thing that all auto reviewers fail to recognize is that once you live with a car as us mortals do, you begin to appreciate Mazdas dial. They’re one of the few companies that do infotainment dials right and sadly no reviewer ever has their cars long enough to see what us owners actually go through (I’m a former owner, and my wife had one too) . Once you learn it, it’s hands down easier than having to look down at a screen and press a capacitive button on a touchscreen. Not only easier but it’s safer too. Put yourself in our shoes for once. Imagine living with any of these cars for years as we all do and it’ll start to give you a slightly different perspective.
It's not that great. They limit the number of items in things like playlists and contacts. I have two Mazdas. My Miata's unit is dog slow. I can be a mile down the road and it's still booting. The CX-5 is better but still not instant on like you'd get in a Kia or a VW. On the CX-5 with android auto you have to go through several steps to full screen a window. Do I hate it? No, but do I love it? Also No
I never understood the complaints about the dial. It is quite good,and most times I would use Siri for navigation/music. It is certainly less distracting than using a touch screen like on my wife's Sierra. I appreciate that sometimes you just want to click on a button and be done with it, but the dial is pretty easy to use.
@@tomdoe1234I call BS. My 2023 MX5 RF boots fully by the time I’ve backed out of the driveway and put it in first gear.
@@davidedwards4720 My apple is a 2021 don't compare it to your orange
@@tomdoe1234 Perfectly legitimate for me to compare it because you did not provide any model year to give your slam comment any appropriate context. The model above is a brand new one, as is my 23 MX-5 RF. Our boot time experience is far more relevant since buyers want to know how it is on new models, not your ancient '21 model.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. I don’t care about what razor thin slice of the market Mazda is trying to capture with 3 different vehicles taking up more or less the same kind of vehicle in the CX30, CX50, and CX 5. Mazda has the best driving dynamics and luxury interiors for its given price point. I’ve owned a RAV 4, CRV, and I’m on my 4th Mazda. The brand, in general, is so woefully underrated. It’s sad. Do me a favor if you took the time to read this far, get one. The brand deserves way more credit as a manufacturer than it gets.
I love the CX-50. I never drove one, but I've built tens of thousands. Yes. I work at MTM in Alabama where it is built. Of course I want a better job within my education but it is satisfying to see these on the road.
Do all the 2024s have the suspension and steering changes, or does that only start with the models built in November?
I second the hourly pay question...
Thank you sir. I love mine.
You folks in Alabama make a damn good car! Happy with my CX-50 and chose it over the Ford Bronco Sport for a variety of reasons, one reason is the Mazda is made in the USA and the Bronco Sport is made in Mexico.
I had a CX50 loaner car for the day and have to say that it was very nice. Drove like a car, felt peppy, and was elegantly nice (like a Volvo) inside. If you are looking for cars, be sure to test drive a Mazda and you will see how they are “premium” in comparison to a Toyota or Honda.
Was that a turbo?
But...BUT...Mazda's line of vehicles, though nice and of good quality...also TEND TO RUN SMALLER AND WITH WORSE VISIBILITY FROM THE ALL IMPORTANT DRIVER'S SEAT than Honda and Toyota's (and Hyundai/KIA'S...) line of corresponding vehicles, so I strongly suggest you test drive every vehicle you're considering buying prior to making your decision. Good luck!
Test drove the cx-50 recently, was not impressed. Driver assist was rudimentary, interior felt dated, and the drive experience was just fine. The Subaru Forester and Outback had much better driving experience.
Yes, I have had on my CX 50 since December 2022, and I am really enjoying it!
Yeah not really even close to Volvo like inside. Maybe a 2004 Volvo S40.
Our Mazda CX50 drives like a German car without all the maintenance nightmares. The fit and finish is excellent.
I’m very happy with the fit and finish on my CX 50 too!
Surprisingly yes
It doesn't lmao. It's shaky af, nowhere near the smooth drive of German cars. It's more quiet than the cheap alternatives, but certainly still not as quiet as most German cars.
@@alb0zfinest true
Lmao do German cars have a torsion beam and a noisy cabin?
I love the control knob! Way easier and safer while in motion than the touch screen in my other vehicle.
Agree I love it, my wife loves it. It feels premium and once you get used to it your eyes are still on the road and not scrolling apps. Never understood the hate of the knob.
I have a mazda 3 and Cx-5, the knob is the bane of my existence. Worst part about the car by far. I know 5 others with mazdas and nobody likes it, they tolerate it but have all asked “how di i enable the touch screen?”
@@hondajohn6948you dont get touchscreen in the mazda infotainment system outside of apple carplay or android auto. And for the driver to reach the screen you will have to stretch as the screen is recessed in the dash.
Yes definitely way safer to fumble around on CarPlay with a control knob than just press the damn button on the screen
Or….just use voice commands activated from the steering wheel button….doh
The cargo area is much more useful than a RAV4 though. The extended depth is much nicer to have than extra height when you have larger objects like a stroller.
Works for me. I had accord coupes for years. Tried a CRV and hated it, so I traded for rav4. I loved the looks of the Rav but it was numb and boring to drive.
Enter the cx50. I love its looks, and the interior. That paired with being fun af to drive and I’m thrilled. Finally someone got it right.
And I love the dial and screen set up. It’s classy and non intrusive. I am here to drive, not stare at a screen.
I just bought a cx-50 select, I had a cx-5 and loved the 50 more. I think the one thing about the suspension is that the rougher ride is not from the torsion beam, it’s the rims. I got out of a lower end cx-5 to a lower end cx-50 with 17 inch rims and I could not tell the ride difference at all. The bigger tires and smaller rims make a huge difference! Alex, when you test a 2024 cx-50, please test a lower end model with 17 inch rims, the ride is dramatically better with that extra 1.5 inch sidewall!
This obsession with large tires is just dumb. Car and Driver looked at the effects of larger rims back in May 2010, and it was basically all downside for day to day driving. Going from 15" rims to 19" rims with the same outside diameter resulted in 10% increase in fuel consumption and 4% slower 0-60 times. Unsprung weight increased by 14lbs each wheel/tire combo, couple that with lower, stiffer sidewalls and ride deteriorates, like you said.
Forgot to mention, lower profile tires are of course more expensive, while also being more prone to wheel and tire damage.
Man you can say that AGAIN.
@@SirOsisofLiver Big rims also mean you'll be buying a set of 4 tires EVERY OTHER YEAR on average. Big rims are insanely impractical!
@@SirOsisofLiver Lots of mid sized ev like the Arya come now with standard 19'' rim . Stupid thing especially on these 5000 lbs ev it won't be cheap to replace often
@SirOsisofLiver I passed on a cx5 GT. With 19 in tires and bought a touring with 17 in tires because I live in Pennsylvania plus 19 in cost 100.00 more
2019 Mazda3 owner with the current-gen rotary knob, and i love it. It's the safest infotainment system on the market. It can be operated smoothly and quickly. The combo of the infotainment system and HUD make this an effective and safe setup, which allows your eyes to never dip below the dash.
I still can’t find a reviewer who didn’t shit on Mazda’s non touch screen and controls. Mazda does the right thing and everyone demands an IPad built into the dash. What’s wrong with you 😂
100% agree... I'm in tech my whole life and this coms from the same people that complain that Macbooks don't have touchscreen....
These technologies should be applied where it's needed... I'm between CX-50 and XC-40 and the stupid google tablet on the XC-40 drove me away from the get-go.
I own a CX-5 2017 upgraded to Apple Carplay myself changing the module and it's absolutely amazing... I've never had a problem-free dash in any other brand.
It's true and I think it's because the reviewers are in and out of different cars day after day. A touch screen is easier to learn when you don't know the system BUT for an owner that lives with it the dial is much better and far safer to use when driving. I bought my first Mazda a year ago, a CX-90, and after a bit of "How does this work?" you can put me in the love the dial camp.
My father in law asked for a vehicle recommendation to replace his Ford Escape. I said to look at Mazda and see what strikes him. He ended up getting a new midrange CX5, and was very thankful for my suggestion. Personally I think the exterior is nicer than the CX50 (I'm not sold on that cladding), but the interiors on both are probably the best at that price. His also has the smaller wheels with higher-profile tires, which I think is a good choice considering the roads in their town.
I think both models look great!
Cx5 is very bloated and minivan like. Pertains mostly to overweight moms imo.
@@pobster88j94 OK edgelord... 🙄
CX-5 better for taller drivers. Looks better, too.
No way, I love the direction Mazda is going as a premium main stream brand like Volvo. In fact, Jason Cammisa of Hagerty, called the CX-50s steering the best steering in a main stream vehicle, even better than a Porsche 911 GT3. Only real enthusiast drivers will appreciate steering like that every other driver will call it too heavy. And I hope Mazda wants to still attract enthusiasts
Volvo is a Swedish luxury brand. Its recent pricing jumps have moved it from the premium territory to the luxury brand
I am having a hard time believing that
1. The rear suspension is not good to a degree you should be worried about it.
2. That most driver could even tell the difference between suspensions, especially with same tires and wheels.
Agree...this is not a BMW.
I feel like this will probably wind up being a sleeper pick, but the loss of an under $30k base trim will probably be a deal breaker for many customers (even though yes I know it comes with a lot of nice stuff). Somehow I get the sense that some of these will sit on the lot for a while then become better bargains next year.
To be fair, the “base trim” for the 2023 CX-50 only existed on paper as it was never produced. The “base trim” had been the $34K Preferred Plus for a long time until they started making the $31K Select a few months ago.
But they are not new. We looked at one at the dealer in April oh last year.
You can get the CX-5 under 30. My wife was looking for a new car and there were two of them under 30K. We ended up buying the top non turbo trim for 38K sticker and got 1,500 off sticker. We looked at CR-V first and the Honda dealers wanted 4-5K over sticker and wouldn't budge down much at all. The best we could get off similar trim CR-V was around 44K. For 36.5 vs 44K it was a no brainer to go with the Mazda. Very happy with the choice so far the CX-5 drives beautifully. We did test drive a CX-50 back to back and they drive the same so I'm sure that would be a great choice too.
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Quiet is very important to me. So I really appreciate that you include that measurement and you mention the decibel level. Would be nice if you put the decibel level in the 'noise' box!
Even with the cheaper rear suspension it’s still tops in the segment
The only thing I dislike is it only touchscreen when CarPlay or android auto is on, they think it’s “less distracting” than a touchscreen instead they use a knob. At least it’s better than Acuras touchpad which originated from most Lexus vehicles.
@@BigAltimaEnergy719 yeah but at least that’s the only negative
Yea and I don't need to use a pin to use my infotainment screen or pay subscription for maps like Toyota does smh
@@BigAltimaEnergy719 the newer interface yes. But not their older Entune 3. I personally hate the new interface. The old Entune 3 w CarPlay and android auto was so much better
@@naveenthemachine I get a lot of returning customer at a Toyota dealership I work at trust me the number one complaint is that new infotainment system on most new Toyotas, and the stupid app u have to download for it to work properly, its not optional. Some of them rather trade the car back in for something else and that seems to be the case here.
Got a Mazda 3 as loaner for my Mazda 6. The rear suspension is definitely noticable on speed bumps, dips and rough pavement. With its already firmer suspension, like most Mazdas, it would be a deal killer for me.
Interesting because I own a 2019 Mazda3 Manual Hatchback and its the smoothest car I’ve ever driven on the highway. You might be right about rough roads but on the highway the suspension is amazing. Almost like a true luxury car. Even on most mild to moderately bad roads it’s not even that much worse. I would say only on the worst roads does the torsion beam rear suspension fall out of asleep.
@@Maxfli82 My gen 3 mazda 3 honesty rode way better, that was an insane car for what I paid ($23k for GT sedan/manual). Plus it had way more rear headroom than even the gen 4 hatch does. The spec sheet says only about half an inch but my head was against the ceiling in the Gen 4 while I could fit 6'4" adults in my gen 3 sedan.
Because there are fewer parts, the torsion beam setup is generally more durable than a multi-link setup. It also requires fewer bushings. Down the road, fewer wear and tear components will need to be replaced.
This is why they put it on the 50.
Tougher suspension for off road.
That is what the 50 was supposedly made for right?
@@imdone1967
Sad to see 4 cv joint in the rear with that torsion beam, as well put a live axle like on a jeep for sturdiness .When I see this set-up ( 4 cv joint without IRS ) it always reminds me the set-up of the first chrysler 4x4 minivan
But this video has nothing to do with a Mazda 3 or 6 though, right??
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I asked myself the same questions a year ago and ended up settling with the CX5. I think it's more premium than the cx50 and better for me as taller guy. The rear suspension does make difference imho.
Also I do prefer using the knob while driving, you just don't need to take your eyes out of the road. It is just bad for when you have to tap the address you're looking for at the gps, but I always do that while stopped and only use Android Auto, so I can tap in my phone. Not a big deal
I have a Turbo Meridian. My biggest complaint is the fuel economy and ride quality over rough surfaces. I’m getting like 16-18 MPG with 50/50 city and highway driving, though admittedly I’m constantly in traffic and drive quite hard. (Can you blame me tho? It’s so fun to drive!!) Driving over bumps also makes the entire car shake.
Otherwise, I love my car. Have no issue with the infotainment system. Love love love the steering feel and torquey engine. The terracotta interior is gorgeous. And the exterior is beautiful as well. I have had so many compliments on the look of my car lol
no go premium is the complete package at these prices or shove it off to the side. Not worth it!
the knobs are controls are the best... initially I thought its a pain without touchscreen.. but the buttons and knobs turned out to be the best after 2-3 weeks of driving
To me it reminds me as a Japanese Volvo. 5000 miles , 4 months of ownership and I still look back after I park it.
I have had my CX50 Turbo for 2 months now.
I absolutely love this car.
There is nothing in this price point that comes anywhere close to the amount of car you get with the cx50
Just got one last week!
Physical gauges, knobs, and buttons are nice. I really don’t understand the desire to put touchscreens in cars.
I think the choice of the torsion beam rear suspension was made to increase cargo/ towing capacity and for better off road ability. After driving both the CX-50 and CX-5 I honestly don't notice much difference in the real world handling between the IRS and the torsion beam.
Best car reviews. Been relying on Alex for years to know what to buy and what to recommend to friends.
That air vent placement is actually correct. Unlike other cars, where the centerline of the vents is at two different levels, Mazda keeps that centerline uniform across the entire car, only changing the shape of the vents to suit the location. It makes for a much more uniform feeling from the HVAC with no weird hot or cold spots.
Also, going with a torsion beam means that Mazda was able to really engineer the best torsion beam possible, instead of having a more expensive yet less well-optimized multilink.
I know you are not a fan of the infotainment system. I drive a 2029 F150, King Ranch. My wife drives a 2022 Maxda CX9 Signature. I much prefer the Mazda’s infotainment system. No reaching to the screen and something I use a lot in both vehicles Is the NAV. Twisting the Mazda knob to zoom in and out trumps a touch screen. The more I drive the Mazda the more I prefer it’s infotainment over the King Ranch.
Agree about the suspension! It’s a deal breaker when Mazda is trying to sell their car as “sporty”.
As far as crossovers, it is sporty.
@@imdone1967 The Cx-5 is a better sporty crossover.
@oi32df the CX-50 is more "sporty". The CX5 is for soccer moms...
@@imdone1967 Mazda doesn't make a minivan anymore.
@@brucefredrickson9677 who was talking about minivans?
Def hate having to touch any screen when perfectly good knobs are right there. I'll keep my screen smudge free tyvm and the Mazda switch gear feels great anyways.
I always thought the 6 speed auto in my 2013 CX5 shifted pretty fast. Ive been driving it in the pocono mountains for 12 years and use the manual feature a lot to slow down and speed up while saving the brakes.
Its width is bizarre. It bulges at the wheel wells in a way I haven’t gotten used to. It’s a shame because I think the grill is a great evolution of the CX-5’s style. It’s the best looking grill in Mazda’s lineup
''Its width is bizarre'' : but above all = useless , all the interior dimensions ( hiproom shoulder room, etc ) ,are smaller than the cx-5 which is 3'' less wide.
I just leased a 2025 CX-50 GT Turbo and absolutely love it. I just turned in a 2022 Chevy Blazer RS which I was “happy” with until my buyout process got me shopping around. I needed/wanted something sporty that can tow 3500 lbs at least. I found this vehicle actually has all the features I wished my blazer did and for less money. The blazer had sensors for all kinds of stuff but didn’t actually have a useful function tied to them. (Weird combination the dealer ordered no doubt).
I may still discover annoyances as it’s only been a week, but so far this feels like a near perfect fit and I enjoy driving it very much. The Honda and Toyota and Subaru dealers near me didn’t show new inventory on their websites but comparing after the fact I don’t think their offerings would have been as good. I hate CVTs and the towing requirement pretty much filtered out many options. In short the CX50 was a pleasant surprise.
I am confused most reviewers picking cx5 over cx50 which is newer vs. 7 year old cx5. I am picking cx5 also as it makes more sense. But if Mazda replacing cx5 with cx50 that does not make any sense specially if cx5 is their best selling vehicle.
I’d add that for me personally, I think I’d much rather go with an RDX SH-AWD base + tech. It’s a bit more at $46k but they give you a lot of stuff in the RDX even starting with the base. And I love the way sh-awd drives (technically i-vtm4 in my Honda). If I could do without navigation and real leather, the $43k base RDX is very tempting.
My wife has a 2021 CX-30. She loves it. I drive a 2020 RDX SH-AWD Tech. The audio system interface is the only real complaint with the RDX. I occasionally find it infuriating yet, even though I don’t drive the CX-30 that often, Mazda’s rotary knob is much easier to use. However, the RDX is REALLY fun to drive and makes a far superior road trip car.
I cross-shopped the CX50 before buying my RDX. CX50 is very good package but deal breaker was lack of thigh support on seat.
@@mj8495 thinking back, I had a CX-50 as a service loaner once. I had thigh support issues also. The seat, as well as the seat in the CX-30, has limited range of adjustments available as compared to my RDX Tech.
I have to disagree with you on that because the model RDX you’re talking about doesn’t have rain sensing wipers like on the CX 50, doesn’t have a head up display like my CX 50 has, no power folding mirrors like my CX 50. Now, I don’t have the turbo CX50 so the RDX is going to be up on power compared to my CX 50!
Mazda is brilliant my friend just bought a CX-50 and what you get for the price, it's incredible. Style, smooth drive, minimalist interior cabin. It's luxurious, a great price, solid reliability. And they offer 0% financing on certain models and trims. Terrific value.
The gauges look great - highly functional, classic layout. No, they may not seem as "snazzy" for some...
Alex, Mazda may or may not be "trying to juggle too many balls" 0:34 but you were certainly 'walking a tightrope' in your effort to provide a diplomatic evaluation of the CX-50. I will be more blunt, the Torture Beam Rear Suspension® ain't gonna cut it and the lowered headroom is a joke. So there! 🤨
I love the sport wagon look at the CX 50!
Test drove this a couple weeks ago and was really impressed.....however next vehicle will be hybrid! Hope they get it to market soon!!!
The CX 50 Turbo is 40 k and has the same drive train leather interior 20” wheels etc as the model you reviewed. I’ve driven the crv and Toyota Rx four and those cars do not handle,accelerate,or deliver the quality driving experience of the cx 50. You mentioned the cx 50 as being in the class of the 52k awd lexus compact SUV. The Honda and Toyota suvs are not in the same league as the premium suvs and the 40k cx50 turbo. I agree that the rotating controller takes some time to learn but after a few weeks this system is intuitive and safer than all touch screens which require reaching for the screen vs twisting a knob. Pretty petty but not nearly as petty as your comments on the Mazdas rear suspension. Finally your review was detailed which is nice you spent too much time discussing what the car doesn’t have…hybrid design. If you are reviewing hybrids do that
To me, the CX-50 doesn't really improve on the aspects lacking in the CX-5, but adds negatives in the questionable seat design (up the crack seam), less cohesive interior, and that cost-cutting torsion beam rear suspension. And then to top it off, it costs more than the CX-5. I don't want the cosplay of big plastic cladding all over the place either, so...
I cross shop the CX-50 against the Outback, CRV, RAV4, and CX-5. The CX-5 has better put together interior, IRS, and overall better price. I didn’t care for the panoramic moon roof nor the front passenger air vent in the CX-50. Everything in the front seemed to be off center a bit and not the driver focus that I hope for. At the end I bought the CX-5 instead. I know it’s an older design but it’s still hold up well against the competitions (except for volume). The fit and finish on the Cx-5 is much better than the CRV I sampled at a much lower price. It’s no wonder that it still sells in large volume. Mazda needs to rethink their product strategy. Their recent North American products have not been as good as it used to. Sure the CX-90 is really nice but it has not been the home run product that the brand had hope. I wish Mazda well since this is the second Mazda I purchased. I am no brand loyalist but I am looking forward for their future vehicles.
Yep, interior symmetry is horrific in the CX-50. Also no usb c ports in 2023.
You said you also tested the Outback. What are your thoughts about it v. the CX-5? I’m looking at both right now so would be good to hear your opinion. Thanks!
@@LookingGlass24 although the Outback has a bit more cargo space, it does not have as many features for my money. I really wanted the Bose stereo and power lift gate. I had to jump to a premium trim to get them. I am also not a big fan of the Outback’s driving dynamics and touch screen. Everyone’s buying priorities are different. Hope that helps..
Great video. NO HYBRID! Toyota and Honda both offer popular hybrid versions. Mazda is missing a large segment of buyers for compact SUV’s.
I agree, I think Mazda have some great options in their lineup but a hybrid would be great especially in this segment. Although they are a small company.
I know the CX-90 PHEV is available but that’s a whole step up in size and price.
But the hybrid rav4 is nowhere near as good as the cx50
Poor use of space and poor fuel efficiency is the major frustration for me on the cx-50. I also wish manufacturers would stop putting too big of wheels on tip trims. At least some amount of rubber is necessary for an acceptable ride. And that lack of rear independent suspension.. when he’s saying “if you’re on a less than perfect road like this” I’m thinking… that road looks 100x better than anything within 90 miles of me. I hope they continue to tweak some things for this model.
My main concern is whether that rear suspension kills the fun as much as the current 3 vs the previous Mazda 3 did. If so, then it’s a bad development from the CX5.
Yes, it's the same kind of fun kill only on a SUV rather than a sedan
Your reviews are top-notch, Alex. Love the formats, presentation, and editing.
So 71 decibels is an A- while 75.5 decibels on the Ford Bronco is a D? 4.5 decibels has that much difference?
Decibels are not measured on a linear scale. Every 10 decibels the noise level doubles.
I came to love the rotor control for the infotainment system from Mazda. Once you get use to it the systems in very intuitive and Mazda did a perfect job of locating the rotor. I find that I have learned the system so well that I can do most things with only a very brief look at the screen and in some cases without looking at the screen at all. The Mazda rotary system reminds me of the system in an Audi I had but better than Audi's. Sometimes if I want to use a specific app, I use Apple CarPlay which works as a touch screen. The one beef I have with Mazda is that their radios do not offer SiriusXM. I am seriously looking at purchasing a CX-50 Turbo Premium. The turbo is more fun for the money than the law allows.
No, they're not confused. Cx-50 looks beautiful and sounds like a great suv. I'm sold
I recently got a 2024 Mazda CX-5 Turbo as I liked it over the CX-50. I found the CX-5 nicer on the interior, the seats more comfortable and I won't be venturing off road and rarely if ever on dirt or gravel roads. It took a week or two to get used to the rotary knob controls for the infotainment. Now I like it. I even find myself reaching for the control knob when I'm in our other car, which is a 2017 Toyota Camry with touch screen. I think if you are comfortable using a computer, you will probably like and even prefer the rotary knob after a short learning curve. It's the same type of hand eye coordination as using a mouse without looking at the mouse. But everyone is different. Spend some time like a half hour sitting in Mazda at the dealership and see if you think you can get used to it. Interestingly I tried the TouchPad system in the Acura RDX and decided it wouldn't work for me. The Mazda controls are rotary of course so they are different. Also the 2024 Mazda models have the option to enable touch screen for apple carplay/android auto and if you have one of those apps you will problably spend a lot of time using that interface.
I wonder how much it would cost to modify the cx-5 so it doesnt look so boring, wait thats the purpose of the cx-50 nevermind
Alex that rear suspension is not a big deal. Honestly it's ok and day to day you won't notice.
I rewarded myself with a CX-50 Turbo premium in zircon sand/terracotta.
This Mazda checks all the right boxes if you need utility but are a driving enthusiast.
Always look forward to my next drive.
I’d love to know the price difference of rav4 hybrid similarly appointed to my non turbo CX-50 premium plus. We get 31mpg on a trip. How long to hybrid batteries last and how much to replace them. Where do hybrid batteries go to die?
I don't understand this whining about the infotainment. It's not like Mazda has the first to come up with such a system. Most of the premium brands have such a system. Even some very expensive cars like Aston Martin's do not have touch screen because they use a similar controller based system. Why? Because they are driver focused cars and such a system is 100% better during driving than any touch screen based interface can ever be. Everything I, and probably majority of people, do during driving, is easier with the central controller. All the common tasks like changing music albums or playlists, scrolling through phone contacts, switching between Waze, music and messaging apps, is better done with the controller than with touch screen. I can go at 150km/h on a highway and still comfortably scroll through my albums list without being much distracted. With touch it's literally impossible as I would have to lean forward, and look away from the road (because the screen is put more on the side to be reachable) and either tap many times on the screen or try to drag the menu to scroll.
Whining about not having a touch screen is such a plebeian complaint made by phone junkies. All the driving oriented premium cars have a similar system to Mazda. So it begs the question if those reviewers even drive cars.
Haven't driven a CX50 yet but drove my son's CX5 halfway across the US and absolutely loved it. The cruise assist was much better than my Honda Ridgeline RTL-E on the interstate and just as quiet. I'm not sold on the turbo though. 6 speed transmission is the way to go and love how Mazda stayed with it. Much less problems and cost to fix. Infotainment is easy to get used to and it makes sense. All the dash buttons and knobs don't clutter everything and leaves the interior clean and expensive looking. Mazda has found a good niche in the market especially when most are made in Japan. They just care more about their work.
I am truly flummoxed as to why so many auto journalists bash on Mazda about the lack of an IRS and an "ancient" six speed automatic. The vast majority of buyers dont drive at 9/10s or even 6/10s. We sit in traffic on I-5 instead. Quiet, comfortable, and easy to operate is paramount. Admittedly, Mazda is stubbornly sticking to the screen control know, which is ridiculous in 2023 to most buyers. But again, Mazda feels that the driver should be focused on driving... even while sitting in bumper to bumper gridlock on the freeway. Maddening, I know. 😮
Because an 8-speed would give you better fuel economy and better low end performance on I5 in traffic...
Thanks as always for the terrific reviews, Alex. I've had the CX-50 for nine months now and it's been on rough-road camping trip,s curvy mountain roads and suburban driving. Quite pleased overall. Handling, road feel is great, and I am fine with the 186 hp engine in terms of power. Rotary dial system for infotainment works for me though there is a learning curve. I like knobs and buttons for climate control, too, although difficult to see A/C light on dash. Storage layout makes for an excellent camping vehicle. Only real complaint is having to take to dealer twice for Issues (front axle, body rattle), fixed under warranty.
I have read that the CX5 will be getting a refresh for 2025-and staying in the lineup.
This man knows cars!
I LIKE that they're keeping popular designs---- if something is GOOD-- DON"T Fix it!!!! I'm sick of these stupid companies thinking everything has to be NEW and better every year or sooner. I use LINUX on computer and you can't even get a distro installed and configures except what it hasn't ALREADY upgraded and changed before you finish doing that.. it's STUPID. NEWER IS NOT necessarily BETTER either.. as many think.
I live in the Silicon Valley and bought a brand new CX-30 several months ago. I have never owned or driven a car that I loved so much! This is a FANTASTIC vehicle! I came close to purchasing the CX-50; however, I didn't need something quite so big (for my daily driver). They are both similar and built on the same platform. If I bought another, I might pick the CX-50 -- because it's perfect for camping in the mountains and forests around us (in Northern California).
Thanks for sharing your experience! -Travis
I owned a CX5 Turbo and test drove the CX50 Turbo thinking that the larger car would be more comfortable. Unfortunately, I was very disappointed with the driving dynamics compared to the CX5. I ended up buying a Kia K5 GT plus the $4k option package for my bigger, more comfortable vehicle and on my 28 mile highway loop got 39mpg. 0-60mph in 5.5 seconds ain't bad either !!!
KIA K5 is a sedan...
Be ready for that KIA engine to implode.
...I never quite understood all the complaints with the infotainment system when a few yrs back both BMW & AUDI were using them in their vehicles, ( which MAZDA copied )...and not once did I hear or read about complaints of using a knob to control your radio and maps. Why? bcs we're talking about $50k plus vehicles combined with the prestige of driving them. But when MAZDA does it, complaints out the wazoo! I owned both a BMW and 2 MAZDA products, and have no problem with the infotainment.
I agree with all the points. However, I am looking for a hybrid and good fuel economy car. So I will pass on cx50 as is. 😔
My millennial daughter (child of the touchscreen era) has ZERO issue with the rotary knob vs. touchscreen in her (first car) CX-30. I think you are waaaayyy overplaying this “feature”. What we did discover when shopping Mazda vs. Hyundai, Kia, Honda, Toyota is that the Mazda was absolutely a step up from all of them- regardless of the tech specs of the rear suspension- for the same (often less) money.
But Mazdas DO RUN SMALLER WITH WORSE VISIBILITY from the driver's seat than ALL of the competing lines you list above. The wise thing to do is test drive ALL vehicles you're considering BEFORE making a decision. It's crazy NOT TO.
I have a cx5 and love the handling. Wondering if the CX-70 inline 6 will be a better car
Most likely. It will also cost more tho.
The answer is just buy a CX-5 with the independant rear before it's gone.
It's not going anywhere. It's getting refreshed in 2025.
On the Rav4 Hybrid commentary: you aren't considering that even in your own backyard every Toyota dealer is adding $4-$6k 'distributor and dealer market adjustments' on Rav4 Hybrids - which lands you at nearly $50,000. And you can get a CX-50 for MSRP (or slightly less) - THOUSANDS less than the Toyota.
Hope that doesn't bite them in the butt. Everyone don't want a rugged car. Good to have the CX5 which I chose. If they stop making the Cx5 I will buy the Rav. I was hoping for a redesign and hoping they make Sirius XM standard on ALL trims.
I've been leasing Mazdas since May of 2016. I started with a 2016 Mazda3 hatchback Touring 2.0. In March 2018 I went to a 2018 CX-5 AWD Touring, following in June 2020 to a CX-5 FWD Touring (Florida, no snow, so I felt AWD wasn't necessary). On November 28, 2022 I leased a 2023 CX-50 Preferred Plus AWD. Is the CX-50 better than the CX-5, IMHO yes and no. I like the greater interior length and width. I miss the better door windows on the CX-5 (better noise suppression). I feel that the lower/wider stance of the CX-50 results in less body roll than the CX-5. I don't feel much difference in the rider quality with the different rear suspension. As for the touch screen infotainment system, it works as a touch screen at lower speeds. Above that I think it is better that it doesn't work as a touch screen as it can be a distraction (like using a hand-held cell phone while driving...wait, isn't using a rotary knob the same problems?).
We recently bought a CX-5. Not sure I understand the point of CX-50. There really isn't much difference. Test drove both and they felt the same to me. We ended up with the CX-5 because they had one with the options and in the color we liked but if those options/color had been in the CX-50 would have got that. I didn't do any research they only had 2023 CX-5 and the CX-50s were all 2024 so I figured it was the new version.
The CX-5 has never been a favorite of mine looks-wise . . . it's a little egg-shaped for my taste. The CX-50 makes the Mazda style language look much better, not out of date as far as I'm concerned.
That center console/shifter area is so bad thanks to the dial control for the infotainment. Also still using a 6-speed transmission?! The hybrid version of this can't come soon enough.
Performance is great but it needs an improvement in MPG's. As you stated an 8 speed trans is needed here which would improve many things. The independent rear is also needed as well. At its price point against the competition it should have both. I feel it falls just a touch short without those two things (IMO).
While possible to mix fuel grades, I highly recommend feeding any engine like this with high octane fuel 91/93.
The combination of turbo induction/high piston compression(10.5)/direct fuel injection, will not play well with low quality fuel over many miles.
Quality fuel + quality oil + timely maintenance = happy engine.👍
Really like the pros/cons chart!
I was completely unaware that Mazda had low pricing as one of their goals. I found them to be way too pricey when I was trying to make a deal on a new CX-30 3 years ago. Needless to say we didn’t get very far. That particular vehicle’s is very small and way overpriced.
You say that you were only getting 21 mpg in this, but does Mazda have a break in period built into the ECU? I have a 21 Outback XT Touring, and when I first got it, it was only able to get roughly 20 mpg combined in normal driving. I could squeak 24 mpg out of it using some hypermiling techniques. I honestly thought something was wrong with it and I was determined to figure out how to get it to perform properly. After 8,000 miles, it jumped from roughly 24 to 29 mpg literally overnight. Once it reached 12,000 miles, it jumped from 29 mpg to low to mid 30s. I now consistently get 32-35 mpg out of it combined at 17k miles, and that is primarily short trips. Granted I learned all the quirks back when it was doing terribly, but it is capable of getting awesome fuel economy now considering the performance. Low 40s average on 55 mph roads. I know reviews have complained about the low fuel economy of the new turbo Subarus like the Outback and WRX, but it's obvious they have some sort of software break in built in. Does Mazda have something similar? You should drive a CX-50 that has like 15k miles and see what the mpg results are. You may be surprised how much better it does.
Mine (turbo) has over 5K miles and still getting 16-18 MPG 50/50 city and highway. This is like V8 fuel economy lol.
@@edwink1467maybe wait until 8000miles. 3000miles to go
The biggest barrier to the CX50 for me is the seat in the upper trims...the S Select and S Preferred seats are very comfortable...can we Please get the turbo engine in the lower trims with the more comfortable seats?
Amazing review Alex!
I've watched about a dozen CX-50 reviews and I love how you point out the rear suspension so much because it's been driving me nuts! Why don't they at least offer it in higher trims.. Tho torsion beam is simpler and lighter which also helps saves on gas, but I'm really consider getting the CX-5 even though I love the look of the CX-50
Unfortunately it now costs over 30k for the base model
But Mazda makes it worth the cash
@@naveenthemachine Also, I don't believe that Mazda ever brought out the base trim for 2023. I think that the lowest trim sold this year has been the Select, so the cheaper base trim is meaningless.
Fun fact: Jason Camisa of Hagerty said: THE STEERING CHANGES EVERYTHING! This is genuinely the best steering I've felt all year: it crucifies a 911 GT3 in terms of on-center feedback.
@Porsche, @BMW, and every other brand that prides yourself on steering feel: go drive a CX-50 right now and take a lesson!
I think he was being a touch hyperbolic, it's solid, but it's not the "best" ive driven this year...
Great review for the time. The infotainment can be adjusted to full touch screen by going deep into the settings. The suspension has been tuned. Hybrid is coming out in 2025 all likely changing your scores and resulting in a very positive direction for the CX-50.
Nice video! Thak you. What I saw in this CX50 is a new reinterpretation of the CX7.
I have been driving a 2015 Mazda 3 for 9 years and I love the control knob.
Really a great assessment by Alex on the CX50. Also appreciate him bringing up the lack or IRS which weirdly most reviewers never mention. Lack of IRS at this price point is insulting. Cost cutting at its worse. I also find the new interior layout in the CX50 lazy and uninspiring. The CX5 is more premium inside and out. I find the CX50 offering very confusing and not premium. Americans will buy it because they buy anything that is a box on wheels but I think Mazda missed the mark
Totally agree about the interior. We drove both over the weekend and while I did like the way the 50 drove more like a car, I found it extremely cheap looking inside and out. We ended up with a CX5 turbo and so far my wife just loves it compared to the 2022 Sante Fe we traded in for it. The Sante Fe is a beautiful and comfortable car, but we couldn't deal with the push button transmission and the constant beaping even though almost everything was turned off. Stop start was also anoying as hell, something Mazda doesn't torture you with.
This was an excellent video. Thank you!
I, too, was a little perplexed as to why Mazda opted for the torsion bar instead of the independent rear suspension. Cost, for one, sure- but I look at it as a potential money saver down the road, as there are fewer bushings and couplings that can rust out and need replacing.
The pano sunroof definitely should open all the way, like in my CX5. I don't mind the infotainment dial, only because I'm used to it.
The CX50 OEM Eagle touring tires are not the greatest for longevity, similar to the Toyo A36 they use on the CX5. Smooth ride because they're on the softer side but for snow? An upgrade is warranted.
The Heads Up display is a cool feature but can be distracting. I'll have to see if it can be dimmed or at least moved out of straight/direct line of sight.
None of these issues kept me from putting up the down payment, though. In fact, I pick up my 2023 black CX50 Turbo Premium this coming Wednesday!
Its beautiful, drives great and youd be hard pressed to find better for the money.
Agreed!
Agree!
Driving a 23, but claiming this is a 24 review. The 24 has a nice ride update, without sacrificing the fun factor.
The CX-50 is another perplexing Mazda vehicle. The exterior looks great in spite of the cladding and the fake rear air vents, but the interior looks subpar compared to the CX-5’s. The panoramic sunroof is a great addition, but it doesn’t open enough. The handling is decent, but it’s hampered by the rear suspension. Overall, though, I would still chose it over the competition because they don’t create the emotional buzz that it does.
Yep, all that roof glass and it opens 7 inches.
That screen size is CRAZY for a brand new model
I got a GT Turbo (Canada) 2 weeks ago and love it.
Lack of headroom is a deal breaker for my family
You have the most comprehensive and subjective reviews. Appreciate your in depth knowledge of vehicles.
OMG Alex you spent a lot of time on this whole rear suspension that 99% of people will never feel. How many of us can get a rav4 (or whatever)for more than a 30min test drive which won’t include many types of roads. Previous owner of 2 cx5 (loved them) but go over a manhole cover in any type of bend in the road and the back end hopped now in my cx50 I don’t feel the same. At first my cx50 felt a lot different the steering especially but after driving it for some time now I’m used to it and I’d say whatever my 5 could do I can do in the 50. Oh and I up graded from my normal aspirated 5 to the turbo 50 as I felt the normal wasn’t as suited to the 6speed as the turbo is. I would rather not have 10 gears hu ting around all the time
You are so right, I had to get used to some things about the CX 50 because I was coming from a Lexus RX 350 but many of these things have subsided and I enjoy it even more now!
I'd go CX5. And Imam an outlier -- love the infotainment knob which keeps my eyes on the road.
I love the rotary knobs and the steering.
My family rented a late-model Mazda3 on a trip, and my sister and her boyfriend didn't like the infotainment system just because it didn't have a touchscreen. They always touched the screen to manipulate the navigation screen and I had to remind them about the navigation knob. They said that they won't buy a Mazda vehicle just because of that feature.
I'm glad that Mazda made the phone projection-based part of the infotainment system touch-based, while I also see how they want people to use the navigation knob for the infotainment system, especially while driving.