Hazbin Hotel Therapist Analysis: Lucifer's Depression
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Join psychotherapist Georgia Dow as she delves into the depths of Hazbin Hotel in her latest video, focusing on Lucifer's poignant portrayal. In this insightful analysis, Georgia examines Lucifer's battle with depression and the impact it has on his parenting of Charlie. Gain valuable insights into the complexities of Lucifer's character as Georgia unravels the layers of emotion and struggle within Hazbin Hotel's intriguing narrative. Don't miss this thought-provoking exploration of mental health themes and familial dynamics in Hazbin Hotel.
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"Pride is not the opposite of shame, but it's source"
If we look hard at Lucifer, we start to see how much that quote applies to him as Charlie's dad, leader of the Pride Ring and why he's so depressed.
Amazing Iroh quote
That’s an amazing application of the Iroh quote here
Source of that quote
@@bishop51807 Do you still need the source or did you open your eyes and see
@@bishop51807 Uncle Iroh in Avatar the Last Airbender
One thing I’m kinda surprised wasn’t mentioned was how often Lucifer would wheeze as if he was going to start hyperventilating but is able to stop it. He’s had 10,000 years to try to cope with stopping the manifestation of his anxiety but has never addressed the underlying anxiety
I noticed that! Just didnt think much about it
To be fair 10000 years is nothing to an immortal
when would he wheeze? i've rewatched his scenes so many times and never noticed!
@@phoenixlmao 16:11 here after he says “charlie” and then when he says “they didn’t listen to me”. You can especially see how distressed he is after the “they didn’t listen to me” line. I believe those are the only two examples shown in this video but I know there’s other times, when talking about heaven
@@Zikkartrue but the 10,000 years isn’t a percentage of his lifetime as if he was 50,000 years old so the 10,000 is almost his entire lifetime. We know he’s older than hell which Lucifer claimed to be 10,000 years old but he was one of the youngest angels hence why some of the angels are called the elders so I don’t believe he’s much older than that I guess about few centuries at most. But I still agree with the fact that 10,000 years for an immortal being would be nothing out of the time they could live
My favorite part of "More than Anything" is that after Charlie's verse, Lucifer shifts into the counter-melody and harmony part, musically allowing Charlie to lead and adding his voice to support hers. It just melts my heart 😭
Rewatching the scene, You're right! I didn't notice this detail and knowing it makes me love the song more than i already do-
you know the hyperfixation is bad when you start watching therapist analysis videos
Yup I'm right there with you friend
I like analysis specially therapist analysis because they're so insightful. I learn a lot from these and they're from professionals.
me right now 😭
ADHD friend also on a side quest?
yeps
The “I’m grateful you’re my daughter/father” line absolutely wrecked me 😭
Me too! I want to sing that song with my dad.
@@alicepiper7455SAME! i can hear my dad and i singing that song while i listen to it EVERY TIME!
i cried so hard LOL
I was trying my damndest not to cry with this song then they pulled that lyrics part and the tears began to free fall.😅
This!😢
I love that he's literally a short king.
He's like 5'11'' or something like that
Angel dust is like 8'
The rest are just needlessly tall lol😅
The funny thing is that I am 5'2 I'm short
@@starlightskywolf my mom is like 4ft 10
I’m like 4’ 11” at the age of 13……
Wow the world is taller than us
Having suffered from depression, I took his joke about the railing, and then bending over the railing as being a sort of dark-joke about suicide. Often times when I was feeling that way I would "make light" of such topics and joke about them, not realizing that was unhealthy.
Wait. I do that, too.
I do this all the time. Weirds my friends out, and I'm just smiling away.
@@tigerslioncub the "it'd be really funny if I just fell off" moment?
TW for this, Not speaking for anyone else, just my own experiences with my failed attempts, but I realized after years of making those jokes that I made those jokes the same reason I would SH, I was testing if I could mentally handle an attempt. I still struggle with thoughts, but since recognizing that and stopping myself anytime I caught myself joking, I find myself contemplating things a lot less than I used to. Just commenting this in case anybody else is in a similar dark place and can hopefully now see a way out.
I recently was in a metro station and I made a joke with my boyfriend about me diving into the traintracks. He said "Do you look at all the people here? You will ruin their whole evening to all of them if you did that."
And that kind of hit, jokes like these really are unhealthy.
Rubber Ducks are a metaphor for Lucifer himself.
He is the "Ugly duckling" of heaven. Nobody understood him and they didn't like his ideas, so they threw him out. That is why in the last song with young charlie sitting on his lap the magical duck floating on the table has the same wings as Lucifer when it flies up.
Thanks for explaining that! ❤
Since it's a representation of his dreams, it's probably that he thinks of mortal souls as ducks, and originally he wanted to elevate everyone at his level, turn everyone into an angel like he and Lilith tried to do with Eve. He tried to turn ducks into angels, got his dreams crushed and he became obsessed with just ducks, forgetting what they were even supposed to represent.
Until he opened up to Charlie 💞
@@TheDahaka1"🎶I used to think dreams would be fun. But now My Story hazbin told; Except FOR _one🎶..."_
Im stealing this as my headcannon I LOVE IT ❤️❤️
"avoidancey just increases anxiety"
welp called out immediately so now i gotta watch
In episode 8, I feel that Lucifer's "sorry I wasn't here sooner" is alluding to Lucifer needing to overcome his own internal battle. Rather than Lucifer consciously choosing to let Charlie get as far as she could on her own, I think Lucifer was battling his own internalized belief that you can't go against heaven. And it took his daughter being in very real danger to break through that internal block he had; thus, his apology was kinda like saying "sorry it took me so long to be ready to be there for you".
There's also a theory that Razzle dying was the catalyst, especially since Lucifer "usually charges a sacrificial lamb" for getting involved. I don't know if I buy that one myself, but then there's also the deal that was mentioned being made during Charlie's first meeting with Adam. In it, Lute clarifies that hellborn (which includes Charlie) are spared from the extermination while Lucifer allowed the sinners to be purged in exchange. Once Adam tries going after Charlie, though, the deal was off and Lucifer was free to join the fight.
Or maybe because his contract with Heaven stated that he couldn’t be involved during the annual extermination, in exchange for hellborn demons being spared.
But once Adam tried to kill Charlie (a hellborn demon), the contract became null and void, because he broke the deal, allowing Lucifer to intervene.
@@jeffreyherrera5069Yeah, he had agreed to not interfere with the exterminations as long as they didn't go after his family or the hellborn
@@jeffreyherrera5069i like the deal theory. I mean it makes sense. Until that point, Adam and the Exorcists act within their right, when killing the sinners, so Lucifer couldn't do anything without voiding that deal, which would potentially lead to an all out war, instead of a anual extermination (yeah, Adam made it to every 6 months, but you get my point)
So i think Lucifer decidedly waited until heaven broke the deal themselfs. We even see him only Hit Adam, to get him away from Charlie. After that he distracts Adam, but never really hurt him, until adam, again, attacks Charlie. He is propably powerfull enough to annihilate the whole Exorcist army, if he so chooses, but that may have made things much worse
he needed a sacrifical lamb first before helping. he lied to her in giving her a family rate for helping. poor dazzle RIP
I've seen some people theorize that Lucifer wasn't allowed to intervene until Adam targeted Charlie herself, since he'd previously negotiated for Hellborn demons like her to be exempt from the extermination, which means that by attacking her directly Adam broke the rules. But I much prefer your interpretation that he waited because he wanted Charlie to be able to to as much as possible by herself.
Also, I absolutely want the Sir Pentious video.
It can easily be both. :)
Yeah we don't have to have just one reason to do stuff. The political and business reason is that charlie is the only hellborn there and razzle and dazzle are pets. The personal reason is to let her do things on her own and not undermine her.
He also only showed up when a "sacrificial lamb" died, which was a neat detail
2nding the Sir Pentious video, though no idea what she would cover with him.
I also kind of hope she ends up doing a few videos on the sister series, Helluva Boss; there's SO much there! Plus, because Helluva Boss is here free on TH-cam, there's less tangly copyright stuff to deal with, meaning she could go more in depth with the songs and what's shown in them (and both series show through song a LOT. They're True Musicals, where the songs actually move along plot and character development as well as entertaining, not just shiny fun distractions like the way Disney uses them).
Hell (pun not intended but welcomed), Blitzø has so many issues he could be his own series just by himself!
This is briefly mentioned in the first episode during Charlie’s meeting with Adam - that a bargain made with her father spared her the exorcist’s blade: perhaps that’s also the reason why Charlie feels so strongly about the exterminations - she feels guilty over the fact that she’s protected while others aren’t, which in turn motivates her to go into the thick of the fighting in spite of having no real combat experience (she wants to experience the same risk that she’s asking others to take for her).
The animation team did a great job. The moment that the weight of everything that Lucifer had to deal with hit me was during "More Than Anything". His face, his expression, his body language- he just seems so tired. Like, really exhausted
🥺
this is why i just love hazbin hotel so much. i aim to capture as much emotion as i can in my own art ❤️
Ducks could be a metaphor. Imagine a duck on water. It looks like it's just sitting there relaxing. However, underneath the surface, the duck is paddling like crazy. In lucifer's case, it could mean he's trying to maintain an appearance of being fine, while, in actuality, he's struggling.
nah ducks are buoyant they just float
That's a very interesting interpretation
The interpretation I have seen a lot is that Lucifer sees himself as a ugly duckling.
some also said that it represent him
the whole "ugly duckling" thing
Another one I’ve seen is that it may be because he was the “Ugly Duckling” out of the angels.
You really get to see how crushed Lucifer is, and how much he cares about Charlie, in ‘More Than Anything’. I just now realized how, when Charlie says he doesn’t know if Heaven won’t listen, Lucifer starts shaking, trying to hold in his tears. Seeing him grow past his belief that Sinners aren’t worth redemption to believing in his daughter’s dream, is so heartwarming. She gave him something to have faith in again… I’m not crying. Y’all are…
You are absolutely right 🥲🥲🥲🥲🥲
As someone with depression, Lucifer hit the nail on the head. The fear of failure, being a recluse, fixation on something I feel I can control, the replay of scenarios only to mess them up anyways, everything was stuff I did. I like this depiction of Lucifer.
"a lot of people think that depression is sadness" - "for many people its that they dont feel anything at all."
this is 100% accurate, when im at my worst and nothing else can reach me, i can count on music, more specifically sad music, to bring back some emotions in me.
because in a way it's better to feel sad, then to feel nothing at all.
As someone else with depression, i never thought of it that way. I just had to learn to let the moment pass & flow away, rather than fighting it. But it never really connected that i would purposely listen to sad music, just to feel something. Thank you for putting that into perspective 😁
It’s so true, in my past experience having depression felt like it was blocking all emotions from coming and even at times when I did feel something, it still felt filtered and untrue and didn’t last long. I’m so glad this video represents that well, thank you!
@@void_hunter94i never thought about it that way. I just knew the songs and videos were sad. Havent listened to sad stuff in a looooong time. Definitly used to feeling numb
I kinda like how they don't paint him as a big, terrifying guy because at the end of the day he IS an angel.
You misunderstand. He is not terrifying because he was once an angel. He is not terrifying in spite of being an Angel. The Angels in the Bible were scary unknowable creatures that were so scary they often had to start with saying "Be not afraid"
Also, you may have noticed he is unbelievably powerful. We've caught glimpses of Alastor's strength. However, Lucifer didn't even flinch when Alastor attacked the loan sharks. Not to mention he defeated Adam without much effort, a feat Alastor failed at.
I find it interesting how Alastor looks and behaves more like how the audience would expect the Devil to be than Lucifer does. 😯😈
@@Squibblezombie I mean you could say that, however, in the show we're shown that the angels (which fall into the kinda category that we can assume lucifer was) are shown to kinda be not intimidating like st peter. At the end of the day, he was surrounded by good beliefs and everything when he came into existence. Sorry if I'm not explaining all that well
True. And he lost SO much. He fell from heaven from doing what he thought was right. Forever watching from a distance, seeing only the worst of humanity.he gifted free will and humans squandered it. And even after he made huge sacrifice his original home and status in heaven, after he lost it all. Suddenly, his wife left him. Leaving him single dad. Which honestly sucks.
"More Than Anything" literally healed my inner child a little bit. Lucifer reminds me (just barely enough) of my own father and gives me hope that maybe one day we can reunite and have a moment like this one day.
Lucifer in HH is the type of father that every child needs
I agree
"You can do this! Now I know it..."
Goosebumps when I hear that line.
"While it is important to believe in yourself, a little help from others can be a great blessing." -Iroh
Uncle Iroh best character in fiction
I thought Luci being distracted on the balcony wasn't so much not listening as more avoidant behavior. He's so afraid of Heaven (or more accurately, Charlie being hurt by them) that he's grasping at straws to avoid the point of the visit, and how he's afraid to help her for the possible consequences.
I also thought it was so sad his 'joke' about falling off the railing. Like, that's clearly some kind of suicidal ideation, right? 'L'apple du vide', to turn a very punny phrase.
I had the same feeling watching that scene.
it's "appel du vide" ^_^
I totally agree with you! I recognized that avoidance tactic because I do the same thing with things that give me a lot of anxiety.
I also just realized that the falling off of the balcony joke could possibly be a reference of Lucifer's fall from heaven to hell.
yeah he knows what she's talking about, but he can't lie and tell her what she wants to hear, so he tries to deflect and soften the coming blow with humor.
and let's be real, he turns out to be 90% right about heaven. they don't listen to her. even emily, who is sympathetic, ends up not helping (in spite of promising to). and it makes things worse - the only reason the angels don't kill her found family is because alastor coerces her into a deal that, again, let's be real, is going to cause something horrific down the road. and the fallout of the battle could well result in escalations, even a full scale war, that kill not only sinners, but also innocent hellborn whose only sin was literally being born there.
lucifer wasn't being a bad dad for not immediately believing in her cause.
Bless the poor guy! 😣
In the song "More than anything" when he sings "and in the end, I won't lose it all again", he's looking at Charlie and we can see through his eyes... and all he sees are spears and danger pointing at her. He then pulls her away from it and puts him between what he saw and her while singing "you're the only thing worth fighting for".
A point I wanna make that was small, but missed - in the final song when he's helping to rebuild the hotel he says "A little remedial creation for me" not only is he fixing the literal damage and rebuilding, but he's rebuilding the emotional damage that he suffered. He was a creative guy who's ideas caused him punishment and pain. He found no enjoyment or spark from subsequent creations (rubber ducks), but in the end when he's supporting Charlie and doing something that matters, he feels much more healed and with meaning.
That's actually a nice little detail, good call.
5:37 the creator of Hazbin hotel has confirmed that the reason Lucifer is obsessed with ducks is because she took inspiration from VeggieTales retelling of King David and Bathsheba, with Larry the Cucumber being obsessed rubber ducks
I remember that episode
(And I'm kind of surprised to see VeggieTales referenced in Hazbin Hotel)
I remember watching Veggie Tales at my Catholic primary school. It was great.
I thought it was because they made Charlie happy when she was little 😭
Huh. And here I was going to guess that the obsession with Rubber Ducks was a "rubber ducks are cute, innocent little things" to play off the usual image people have of Lucifer and as a way to quickly establish the tone of the Hazbin Hotel's version of Lucifer.
I've heard 3 different confirmed explanations
Seems consistent
I think alot of his depression starts from being home sick , he misses heaven and it's beauty, and he tells charlie storys about it and tries his best to re create hence the rubber duckies , but he can't , but i think this is the original depression he starts with and it just grows
As a divorced, depressed father who has been physically separated from my daughters for far too long I resonated with Lucifer so much.
I'm getting a second chance with my daughters now. I'm beyond grateful for this chance, but terrified I'll mess up in someway.
As a child of divorce, my father never attempted to reconcile our relationship, or reach out, or try to improve.
The fact you’ve recognized this… means you’re already more than worthy.
You are going to do great. I believe in you.
As someone who hasn't experienced anything similar except almost constant argueing of parents but the fact the both of you are connecting over such sad and traumatic thing and comforting each other is fairly wholesome
Im so glad
My father died when I was 14 he wasn't the best but I was the BIGGEST daddy's girl the few things I can suggest is honesty be honest with your babies and if you can't tell them something tell them that you can't tell them, be supportive even if you don't agree you can love and understand without agreeing and you guys can meet in the middle and be loyal if you love your child BE THERE if I had my father i wouldnt be so horrible and lastly love your baby girls i know my dad loved me but he didnt show it enough instead of going to my nanas funeral he played yugio he acted like he didnt have kids so please love them i belive in you
@@VincentEdelstein I'm so sorry to hear that from you... I'm in the same situation as you and I understand what you're going through.
7:54 "He's created his own Hell" This is unironically one of the main themes of Paradise Lost. He CHOSE to do the things he did so in turn he now carries Hell in his heart.
I have theory about why Lucifer showed up so late was because he was giving her space and let her do her think but when Razzle was killed he knew she was in danger and went over there
I always saw Lucifer telling Charlie that he doesn't believe Sinners can be rehabilitated and that Heaven won't listen as him just being honest. I mean, should he have lied to her about her chances? He was kinda right about Heaven and there's clearly many Sinners who have no interest in rehab and who probably are beyond treatment. He should support her of course! But I think it is also important to give her a warning, especially since Charlie is pretty naive
The Devil will tell a thousand truths to sell one lie after all. He was definitely honest but he was hiding his real reasons. He was hiding his fear and pain from Charlie I think
I mean in the first episode charlie says lucifer was sent to hell way before humanity could have shown its development so the only saw the worst in people ever since
I think its more of a miscommunication problem. Charlie didn't mind that her father had doubts about her dream as we can see in the song "more than anything". He didn't stop having doubts, he just made it clear that he was interested and willing to help and support her which is all Charlie really wanted from him. I don't know how to say this but I believe how you tell the truth to someone is as important as not lying to them. When you tell someone the truth, you want them to know why you feel that way and what your intentions are and if you truly care about them, you take their feelings into consideration. That doesn't mean you have to lie, you can tell them the truth but the delivery of the truth is also important.
@@austinwitham109 That's true, but there's also the fact that, despite the setbacks in their relationship, Lucifer still sees Charlie as his little girl (as all dads view their daughters). He says that he'll "shelter and adore" her in their song and he hesitates a little when he agrees to set up the meeting because he knows he can't be with her then. That worry goes away a bit when Charlie reassures him that she'll be fine, but dads will always worry about their children when they enter into hostile territory.
@@jeffreyherrera5069 that's certainly part of it. I just don't see those notes as easily. No paternal bond in my life to pull from really, but it hasn't been an issue
I actually am one that loves Adam as a character. His egocentrism is what completely defines him and it’ll be interesting to see your video on him.
Even despite how he acts, the fact that he is in Heaven, shows he used to be a fairly decent person but his ego slowly alters him into this terrible self important person.
right, that last smile he gave Lute before dying totally humanises him... maybe this whole narcissistic persona was just a front. Maybe not. I guess we will never know unless Viv decided to bring him into the next season
@@mariogrenadine Honestly the thing that sticks out more to me is how his self doubt briefly shows during the trial when he's questioned on how he got into heaven.
For a second he's thrown off and not sure, his entire self image hinges on his belief that he is in heaven, therefore he must be righteous, a different class from the demons below.
I feel like that's why he so aggressively throws his weight around and acts obnoxious - he has to prove his worth and lord it over others because deep down there's perhaps an insecure doubt that maybe he's not as great as he thinks.
@@matthewbibby8921 BINGO.
My theory for the ducks is that he was fixated on the moment Charlie first laid eyes on one of his creations, the part where she sneaked in while he was working, and so he held on to that memory of her smile despite being estranged for a long time. There's also that line he sings, "I've missed that smile."
Ducky Duck
That holds a lot of weight because we see that there is no Rubber Ducks in that flashback
Theres also a theory that Lucifer's true angelic form is that of a duck or swan (Like how Sera's true form looks bird-like)
I read somewhere on tumblr that theorised that Lucifer is dealing with MAJOR dissociation. They even did like an analysis of what goes through his mind during the call with Charlie and I just cry because it made so much sense as to how and why he’s acting like so in the 5th episode
I saw that post to, and I think it’s a great take on why Lucifer acted the way he did
I've had to deal with that myself during a bad BAD bout of depression. It's quite scary to just recall little nibbles of everything because your brain is practically soaking in fog.
Oh 100%, leaning very into derealisation - especially that balcony scene. the guy is so out of it stepping outside after *a long time*, jumping all over the place physically and his mind. major derealisation
"even just getting out of bed and brushing your teeth can feel like a task too hard to handle" THANK YOU!! This is what I deal with.
Hey, life sometimes is hard and for you it's like 20 Elephants heavy, but always remember that it'll not always be this way. You are seen and I am sure you will do good. For every step and every day, be proud of yourself.
same and it's so annyoing when people don't unterstand that it's not being lazy
Sometimes waking up is enough
@@Ivypool123 exactly
thank y'all for the supportive replies. also, ha; the number of likes 👌🏻
You can tell when Lucifer is in his elemet because his wings come out. He is an angel. He is spirit. An intuitive. He is a creature of the heavens.
The way Lucifer pops off in the sky -- his imagination -- is what a hyperfeeler is like around people. Adam simply can't keep up with him there and the narcissistic tactics that he uses to prey on others won't work. Every time he things he has Lucifer, the guy just melts into something else because spirit is mutable and insubstantial.
"I'll destroy this idea you cherish!"
"That's fine -- I'll just turn it into five other things somewhere else."
-Vox- Adam may even have some intuitive talent himself, but his angelic powers are parlor tricks compared to -Alastor's- Lucifer's.
yes and that unicorn and kick he did was so playful
I never felt more represented by a character in a show than when during More Than Anything. I was sitting there, with teary eyes, and then it shows Sir Pentious doing exaclty the same thing lmao
In Charlies backstory she sees him creating literal life. a Duck. As an angel he created life. Now he can only create broken approximations.
A person's job can be their 'purpose' and for many of us creative endeavors can be how we bring meaning to our lives. Losing those can really supercharge some depression.
I could be wrong. that flashback is possibly after he fell. Maybe he lost his desire to related because of the depression?
@@alexanderjackson7521 the room in the cutscene is the same room as the ne we see all the ducks in so unless they made a 1:1 recreation it's probably in hell (also the reds are a sheer contrast to the rest of heaven's whites and golds)
Could be he can only create broken approximations because he sees himself as broken and flawed.
I think Lucifer made Razzle and Dazzle, so maybe he can still create life, but just doesn't feel like doing it
Maybe it's like an art block, where you still have all your abilities, but don't feel like doing anything
@jlhn That's EXACTLY what's going on, you nailed it. Right after creating the "Magical Backflipping Rubber Duck!....that also breathes fire," he starts in on saying that it was stupid and a bad idea and tosses it on one of the many duckie heaps.
That's the thing about art blocks (or writer's block, or any creative venture block), you still CREATE, sometimes even a lot, it's just that you don't think anything you create is actually any GOOD, so it either gets discarded or left unfinished.
One of the worst parts of depression is when people simplify it to something like sadness or worse just write it off example my father once effectively told me that my depression doesn’t matter simply because he doesn’t see me as depressed but lazy and using depression as an excuse for not doing anything
Growing in house that doesn't accept mental illness and issues and everything is laziness I understand
Yeah
It's for that reason that it took years to even acknowledge it, and when I did, my parents simply dismissed it and just told me to not feel that way. Probably made things worse than they would've otherwise.
Yeah, it's only now that I'm 47 that my hard as nails mother is starting to kind of realize that depression might be a real thing.
The worst part : few yet way too many people are indeed lazy duds pretending to have depression to excuse their behaviour. And it's hard to tell them apart from actual depression victims.
I like your theory that Lucifer was watching the battle the entire time incase Charlie needed him, but wasn't going to interfere unless necessary because he wanted to let her accomplish this on her own. It seems like something he would do, and it would be great parenting. However depressed he is, you can tell he really loves and cares for Charlie.
Yeah. I think that's what happened too.
I so want this to be true.
There was also a deal that the exterminators couldn’t exterminate hellborn demons. Adam broke that deal when he started beating on Charlie so therefore Lucifer could interfere
He also shows up after Sir Pentious becomes Repentious, and tells Charlie that now he knows her dream works. Wonder if he could tell where Pentious ended up, and that ended up convincing him to join the fight?
Personally I think that this is sorta true but I think it more came from Razzle and Dazzle. Remember in mythology it usually takes a sacrificial lamb to summon Lucifer and he even mentions that he charges a sacrificial lamb in the song "Hell's Greatest Dad" so I think when one of Charlie's guardians who he created went anger mode and then died let him know something is wrong and he needed to step in.
There is another example in the song which shows his character. When the angels spears are pointed at him he is indifferent and resigned, but when those spears are pointed at Charlie becomes afraid and reaches out to save her.
Everything crystallized when he showed Charlie a duck that had six wings. Lucifer’s obsession with making the perfect duck is the obsession with making a better version of himself. It’s his personal therapy.
I love to see how good of a father Lucifer wants to be and tries to be. He might be clumsy, but he's doing the best he can.
I would really like to see an analysis of Husk :3
Theres a theory that Lucifers ADHD which can play into the him not paying attention charlies proposals and being highly anxious. Him being anxious can make paying attention incredibly hard bc hes so focused on getting back into contact with his daughter and not WHY shes asking for him to be there. He does care but he doesnt know HOW to show it and it can be hard, especially with a background like his. Rejected by HIS father for whatever reason that may be. I feel i can relate to as someone with adhd and daddy issues of my own
The theory of him being ND is also supported by the whole "out of the box" thinking when in heaven, and being outcasted by the angels for his ideas
As someone with adhd I personally did relate to lucifer alptz so I could definitely see him maybe having adhd.
Her analysis opened up more of why i more than relate to Lucifer and I'm glad to know that there is hope for someone like me beyond where i am right now, especially if i became a parental figure or role model...
That really rings true for me. Depression often piggybacks with adhd
also, dissociation! he clearly WANTS to know what Charlie has been doing, but her words simply dont register in his mind. someone on twt made great thread talking about how much they relate to him missing words that someone (Charlie) says and trying to piece together things even he doesnt have full context. like, when she says "what did you think about hotel" and he, who missed the whole convo before, talks about railing.
That hat is really well made, I love it. I never expected Lucifer to be portrayed the way he is in the show, but I love it, and it makes total sense. After trying to gift humanity free will and not only being punished for it by Heaven, but constantly reminded of the bad things people do with it for thousands of years, I'd be pretty disheartened too. But I love how much he genuinely loves and cares for Charlie through all of it and wants to be close with her again.
No one expected to love Lucifer this much. He's so great.
I love how he's characterized.
Thank you = )) yes he wanted to give them something and they misused it you can see how he would be despondent after. Thx for supporting < 3
@@GeorgiaDowyou know if you liked Hazbin hotel you'd love helluva boss
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I BE THE ONE TO ASK FOR SIR PENTIOUS!
I LOVE HIM TOO!
HE TOO ADORABLE AND I JUST WANNA SQUISH HIM!!!
PLZZZZZ FOR THE LOVE OF CHARLIE!
DO SIR PENTIOUS!
When the literal devil is a better father then mine.
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It took this video for me to figure out WHY I felt so strongly about Lucifer and Charlie’s relationship. Lucifer while flawed is doing everything I wish my own father did. Tbh my own is sadly a lot like Adam.
Lucifer finally getting to be the hero, even if just to his daughter, was so wholesome 😭
i always think it's sad that charlie wanted to help everyone but never thought about helping her father who obviously needed it
Cuz that is part of her own issue, and most of the time, seems easier to solve the problems from others rather than our own.
He hid the fact he needed it
I don't think it's his daughter's job to help him? Kids are not their parents therapist or emotional support. Plus, I don't think he wants anybody's help in the first place, he's a very prideful man.
@@Claudia_Crimson_585 i see what you mean, but i meant like talking to him more often or visiting rather than ignoring him and only talking to him when he initiates the conversation
@@Kai_Einar i don't think Charlie was ready for that since she was scared to ask him for help so they were already having family issues for some time now, don't berate her. She has every right to do what she's doing. He didn't respect her dreams and wanted her to give up on her dreams so of course she's not going to want to talk to him or visit him, they would just get into arguments.
You: getting emotional at this episode
me in Husker's voice: Daddy issues?
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Shudup 😅
I heard Husker and OSP Red at the same time.
I wish I had Husker's voice
*nods* daddy issues
Me personally, I think Lucifer has made so many ducks is because it was the one thing that would make Charlie smile (19:07) and he desprately tries to recreate that wonder and happiness
Lucifer's "take that depression" hits way too close to home for me. A therapist who helped me manage my depression in the early 2000's taught me that acknowledging when I'm depressed is the first step to dealing with it. I started vocalising it otherwise I would never acknoweledge it since I'm naturally very avoidant. Now it's a habit so whenever I'm depressed I say something along the lines of "up yours depression".
I saw Lucifer's response to Charlie's plan as being more along the lines of "Hey, I tried the same thing you're doing - and it crashed and burned. *Hard.* And I want to spare you the pain and suffering I went through, because my job as your father is to protect you, even from yourself." That sentiment came across a *lot* more clearly in "More Than Anything".
Also, I believe I asked for Sir Pentious' inferiority complex to get covered in an earlier video!
And for other media depictions of Depression, I'd love to see your takes on Smile, The Babadook, or Lights Out (all film depictions of Depression as a literal monster), and BoJack Horseman, which has been widely praised as one of the more realistic depictions.
I don't think he specifcially tried to redeem sinners myself. Its more in reference to what happened in Eden with eve. Something wen't horribly wrong with that.
But i do think its deeper than that. Ther eis something about charlie and he's worried about drawing heaven's attention. You can tell in that particular scene where six figures appear behind him, weapons aimed, and the weapons start aiming at Charlie...... he does not want charlie to be seen as a threat by heaven.
I see a lotta people talking about the out of universe explanation for ducks. But in-universe, it's probably because the last clearly, unambiguously happy memory he has of his family together, and Charlie in particular, involved him playing with her, and a rubber duck.
Depressed Dad. I can so relate. We love our children so much, But sometimes we don’t know how to reach out, to connect.
As far as rubber ducks. Think of it like any dad’s hyper fixation. Models, trains, tools. A way to avoid the voices in your own head.
Yup. Same
stay strong, king!
It's interesting to see people from older generations liking this show (i'm 29 myself and i assumed your children are young adults or teens but i'm sorry if i'm wrong)
I related to Lucifer because i can't be there for my younger sister as much as i'd want to, and major depression is one of the main factors (i can't keep a stable job and therefore can't move to the same city as her and i can't visit often or support her financially). I feel like it must be 10 times more heartbreaking if you are a parent in this type of situation. I'm sure you kids need you and appreciate your efforts and presence in their life, don't give up
@@g.yad.4758 4, 8, and 18. But I did start a bit late. Keep in mind though. That pilot has been floating around the Internet for five years now.
Lucifer in this show is just a treasure of a dad. His reaction to Charlie introducing her GF had me grinning ear to ear. It is so awkward yet somehow exactly what you expect from a parent supporting their child when they come out.
His just wanting to look cool in front of his kid and then botching his cool one-liner is also such a dad trope.
He may have been absent from Charlie's life (except for a few calls and favors), but you can also see where Charlie got a lot of her personality from.
Charlie and Lucifer both thinking, that none of the other would want to see each other makes me question what kind of parent Lilith was and what led up to their family falling apart. Such a good show 😍
I love your thought of why he waited so long to join.
I also think from a lore standpoint we know he made a deal that the hellborn have a pardon from extermination so possibly he is not allowed to step in.
He stepped in when charlie was abour to die, so he broke his part of the deal when his daughter, a hellborn, was about to die. Thus when the pardon was broken.
But your idea is much more wholsome and i think is also part of it
Just so we are clear - I REALLY want an episode on Sir Pentious
I thought the reason we weren't saying it was because she already said she was doing it
"Doing something that is simple, that is repetitive, that you can just enjoy can provide a lot of affirmation" - I love that this relates to him just obliterating an archangel in battle.
Adam was not an archangel. I guess in this context he would be a Saint? idk hes not an angel though.
He is an angle, everyone in heaven technically is @BOYVIRGO666
@@bman296 Highly unlikely. They seem to make an actual distinction between earth born souls and heaven born angels. I believe the chosen term in show is 'Winners'(as opposed to sinners). But hes definitely not an archangel. LIkely not an angel. Now the exorcists? that one we dont know.
@BOYVIRGO666 never claimed he was an archangel just an angel. That's all ima say. He even says it in the song "an angel just like us"
@@bman296 The original comment claimed he was. Which is what this is in reference to.
Adam is a narcissist, if he can be taken seriously in any claims about himself is dubious at best. He also called himself dickmaster.
11:07 it look like one of the first step of suicidal though, "haha, somoene could die falling from that" to "i could just roll there and die"
His really exagerate reaction to it hint to it
i think his fixation on ducks was the fact it was probably the last happy memory he had with charlie, maybe he's trying to make a duck so amazing it will allow him to reconnect with her but his anxiety about it being perfect is making it so that none of them are perfect enough
Amazing video!
One thing I wanted to comment on. On the balcony, I think Lucifer wasn't necessarily misunderstanding what Charlie was after, I think he was actively avoiding it, hoping she'd drop the issue. And given how he really doesn't know her that well, he didn't understand how much "dropping the issue" isn't in Charlie's playbook.
Also, do Sir Pentious! Our sweet boy is the first redeemed soul! That warrants some analysis!
It's actually quite clear esp on rewatch. It's also important to note that skipping HGD harms this analysis in that it ignores Lucifer's attempt to win her over in song only to have Alastor hijack it to get a laugh in likely also hurt his esteem. There's actually quite a bit missed. Lucifer knows what she wants but also knows doing so himself hurt and he doesn't want that to happen to her. Heaven crushed him and he won't let them crush her too, even if it makes him the bad guy.
Yes exactly! I was gonna say that too!
I want to see Sir Pentious (Sir Precious) analysis. I also love how enthusiastic and excited you are for him!
Lucifer: take that, depression!
I'm so glad you pointed it that depression does not equal sadness. My depression does exactly what you said, robs me of experiencing any emotion. The easiest one to express when I'm numb is anger.
I think Lucifer was listening....but is actively repulsed by her idea. He's got an almost visceral "this will not work". Unfortunately, they're estranged and both of them are garbage communicators. So Charlie views what Lucifer is sharing as judgement, dismissal, and disinterest. When instead, he's trying to convey his experiences and wisdom: he's done what she's done and KNOWS it won't work. Lucifer doesn't like Alastor because he knows Alastor is a psychopath who is there to take advantage and that Charlie is being naive and needs protecting. But he knows his connection to his daughter is tenuous, so he can't be blunt about it, plus he's just awkward af anyways. Charlie cannot see her own ignorance, and because they don't have a bond of understanding, Charlie thinks her dad is being demeaning. She prefers the more charming Alastor, over the genuine Lucifer. When Lucifer says "they didn't believe me, they won't believe you" Lucifer thinks he's very clearly saying "this is what they're like, they're unfair and bad, listen to my experience with these people", but Charlie instead hears "They didn't listen to me, who is awesome, so you, who suck, don't even have a chance."
I fully believe Luci was watching from the moment the gate to heaven opened and wanted to just make sure she was safe.
Taking a minute for the video production, dawn, for each video the costumes get better, LOOK AT THE LUCIFER LOOK its perfect
appreciate that thank you so much
...This...I understand why Lucifer is my favourite now...And I probably should talk to my therapist-
As a long distance father who has dealt with alot of guilt, depression, anxiety and stress because of the situation, I was relating to Lucifer alot more then I thought I would, which made me love him even more. The "take that depression" is literally how I feel at times, whenever my kid wants to do a video call with me. Can't listen to the "Everything" song without crying.
Btw, love the cosplay/costume, really well made!!
The fact Lucifer's love for Charlie and eagerness to spend time with her once it was her asking him and not him reaching out was equally sad and cute. He didn't know how to interact with his daughter because they'd be estranged for so long, and was too scared of possibly encroaching on her life where he wasn't wanted.
But his love just outpoured as soon as she invited him over
I can't believe this is how I realize I have depression 💀
Great video tho! I love seeing your insight to lucifer's character.
Will also be watching more after this o7
"I'm so worried about failing the test that instead of studying I'm going to reorganize my office"
Just tag me next time, dang.😑
She did not need to call me out like that.
Lucifer’s character skyrocketed to my top favorite so fast. I relate to him and his struggles with his depression so deeply. Withdrawing from people and avoiding things because of a fear of failure is such a big issue for me.
And the way he mends his relationship with Charlie really hit me hard in the daddy issues. You’re totally right. Even as an adult, I can’t stop trying to seek their validation. I know my parents “love” me, but they act like my presence is an annoyance. And they refuse to take any interest in the things that are important to me. If I press the issue they are either completely disinterested and irritated the whole time or actively make fun of it. I wish I could stop wanting their validation, but it’s so hard.
Watching Charlie and Lucifer’s relationship really did something for me, seeing what a healthy parental relationship should look like. I’m gonna cry again just thinking about it. His character is so well done.
I didnt know this is where "take that depression" was from. Im actually so happy that he knows.
I really liked the imagery during the more than anything song where the angel spears are pointed at Lucifer, and then you see them switch to Charlie, and you can see a frenzied terrified look in Lucifer's eyes like he doesn't want her to suffer the same fate he had, or worse get physically hurt by them, so pulls her away; so you can see his reluctance to help isn't so much stemmed from not believing in HER but distrusting HEAVEN to either not keep their word or be unreasonable towards Charlie
I wanna see a take on Sir Pentious!! Particularly one examining how the process of self improvement actually was going for him, because I don't think it was just that final act that got him into Heaven.
LET'S GOOO!
Luci's my second-favorite character after Al, excited for this! One of my favorite moments are his first lines in the Finale song where he says "you can do this, now _I_ know it!"
Yoooo same!!!
As someone who got diagnosed with depression, this video hit me right in the feels.
Shit this hit home. I haven't watched the show (yet) but I can see his anxiety - going over everything he's worried might fail about the hotel instead of pitching in his support where he's asked to.
I believe it is during the lucifer/charlie duet song, but there's a flashback scene in which lucifer creates a duck out of light and shows it to little charlie; then, the duck transforms into other larger more beautiful birds and this seems to be a reference to lucifer's dreams. I think the ducks he builds now are all representations of his dreams failing to take shape or grow into beautiful swans and such.
I always interpreted Lucy Goosey's behavior towards Charlie's dream as a purposeful attempt to let her down easy. He pretends to not know what Charlie was trying to show him, he tried to dissuade her when Alastor did his radio demon thing, and when all these indirect things failed, he directly sung that THEIR dreams weren't worh the risk of what he stood to lose....but Charlie was open and ready to challenge that and change his mind. In the end his love for his daughter won over his fear, sadness and depression and that's kinda like a tear trigger for me
You should do sir Pentious.
I think a major factor in why Lucifer was so depressed also has to do with more than just how heaven treated him, there's also how humanity turned out. He's been stuck in hell since humanity first sinned, and has only ever seen the worst of humanity in the sinners, which would be a constant reminder of his failure.
Dealing with anxieties is rough. Constantly second guessing every choice imagining the worst outcome. I recently avoided my friend recently who I have not talked to for a while. So did the opposite of what Lucifer did.
I absolutely need Sir Pentious but also Vaggie. I love them both.
I think the fact of Lucifer not joining them in a fight before that moment grows from the agreement between Luci and heaven that only Sinners (not hellborn) are to be exterminated (Lute said this in episode 1), but after Dazzle was killed and Charlie was about to be killed, the agreement was terminated, so Luci was in his right to fuck up angels, Adam included.
I got the same impression - he waited until his daughter was being threatened directly and it was obvious that she has lost control of the situation before he intervened: although he didn’t show it, I would wager that the experience of watching his little girl getting choked out filled him with a lot of anxiety - but he just swallowed it because he didn’t want to show any weakness in that moment (either to his enemies or to his child).
I sincerely hope you're doing okay, Georgia. Your facial expressions and tone of voice seem to express that things between Charlie and Lucifer, you see in your own life. I know how that feels, because I have father issues. I never knew my biological father but have always wanted to, and the father I did have, my stepdad, was abusive and controlling. He tried to make me into what he wanted me to be and never took my interests/thoughts/feelings into consideration.
"More Than Anything" absolutely made me tear up quite a bit.
I want a Sir Pentious Vid, many times i see myself like him specialy when i try to make new contacts or dating
Lucifer was my favorite character on the show. As someone who suffers from depression myself, I saw so much of myself and my own struggles in him.
He did the duck in a magical whim when Charlie was young, a happy time, so the ability to make a duck better than that moment has been a challenge.
Fell in love with Lucifer faster than expected. Top three favorite characters.
I love Lucifer so much. T_T Him choosing to listen and support her even when he’s not sure how it will turn out is just so wonderful.
I know that this is an analysis about Lucifer's depression, but seeing him interacting with Charlie in the end made me jealous. Even though his wasn't the best dad, he still seems better than mine.
As someone who grew up with clinical depression, this video hit SO hard. Such a great explanation of depression and how it effects your brain and emotions. Thank you! Lucifer is amazing.
Also for the record, I am hugely looking forward to you doing Sir Pentious. Literally every character in this show should get a video, imho. Lol.
i agree
I love how they gave Lucifer depth. I enjoyed seeing him reconnect with Charlie and that he still has a bit of that light and hope in him. I hope we get to see more of him in season 2.
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17:34 This reminds me of how antidepressant researchers use rat models of depression to study the effectiveness of antibiotics. You can't ask a rat if they're happy or unhappy, but you can look at behavior. Rats love sweet things, like sugar-water. One of the tests of depression in rats is to measure how much sugar-water they drink when given the opportunity. Because a depressed rat has less enjoyment of things they'd normally enjoy, they tend to drink less sugar-water than a non-depressed rat. Another test is to put the rat in a frightening inescapable predicament - a tub of water surrounded by high walls - and see how long it takes them to give up on escape and start just treading water. Depressed rats give up more quickly.
A video on Vaggie would be cool. I mean, she was indoctrinated into the Exorcist army and made one mistake (you know, showed mercy) and was punished for it by her comrades/slash commanders and left to die. Only for Charlie to find her, show her compassion and love, and because she only knows how one way to show she cares she literally devoted her entire being to making Charlie happy. Acts of Service as a love language that has turned into utter devotion. Vaggie just also doesn’t have a very high opinion of herself (as stated by Husk).
So I feel like there’s a good amount of stuff for a video when or if you get the opportunity.
I don't know man, I wouldn't mind a Vaggie video, but she's just so... Bland to me. Which sucks, cause I really wanna like her, but (imo) she's just *there* half the time to hold Charlie's hand and look sort of cool
@CrayCrayslab Cool. She’s my favorite. To each their own.
Beating up Adam as a father-daughter bonding experience 😌
1st - he wasn't heard by other angels and lived alone with his dreams
2nd - he was punished cuz he wanted to show people they life can be different
3rd - his wife left him taking the only one thing he wanted to fight for - his daughter (this is what you were wandering. Lilith took his daughter and left)
And then he became completly loney.
He's my fav character and hope for his happy ending in the future. After all he IS an angel. 'More than anything' is also my fav song. It's so beautiful and I understand your tears. I also cry hearing this song. Maybe cuz my dad was always there for me, he was supporting everything and then... he took his life leaving me alone. And I miss him everyday even now when I'm an adult. I also have depression and I love how you think and talk about it.
I'm here for Sir Pentious. Bring it on.
And now I know I can't get through even a garbled clip of More Than Anything without tearing up.
Bro when I listen to Charlie and Lucifers song tell me why I start crying literally everytime Lucifer says "I'm grateful ur my daughter"
Even though I know Viv chose the ducks because of Veggietales I've seen like ten entirely different interpretations of the ducks on a symbolic level and they ALL seem to add extra layers that completely make sense in the context of the story. The ducks are just perfect.
Also gotta keep in mind that Viv herself confirmed that Luci has PTSD and depression aside from being autistic as well X'3 I think part of his depression also comes from a theory that Lilith took Charlie from him when she was still very young & he didn't know where she took her and that's why he wasn't in her life much & it affected him too 😢
lmao
I have seen that screenshot- do you know the source? Cuz I TOTALLY see it but I can’t find that response outside of the screenshot posted. The ducks being a hyperfixation that turned into something negative is def something I could see.
What does X'3 mean?
sorry to say but the screenshot of viv saying that was confirmed to be fake😭but i still fully believe that Lucifer is autistic because it just fits so well!
He does have PTSD and depression but there's no confirmation on autism. People are faking a lot of screenshots unfortunately
I desperately need Charlie to see the ducks in Season 2. I feel like if she actually saw one of his bad days, or at least the effects of his bad days, that would make it click for her that she was also misunderstanding him at the same time he was her, which could make their relationship even stronger as it heals. If nothing else, it's a good thing for an adult child to know those kinds of struggles and issues their parents have because it can help them seek help for themselves if they start developing the same, without having to worry about their parents thinking less of them.