Did I Judge Queen Bee Unfairly? | Deeper Dive into Beelzebub's Character
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Psychotherapist Georgia Dow responds to viewers' comments on her Loona video, addressing claims that she judged Queen Bee (Beelzebub) unfairly. In this deeper dive, Georgia explores Beelzebub's character, examining her positive, party-girl persona and the complexities beneath. Did Georgia misjudge her? Find out in this thorough character analysis.
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I agree with your read on Bee btw, I spent most of the episode trying to decide if she is good or bad and I think thats exactly the point. Shes has sugary sweet coating, but only as long as you can keep being a perfect guest.
amazing cosplay- especially how you incorporated the colors into your hair - looks great on you! :)
Maybe you should learn a bit more about self-destructive partying, because you've misunderstood the assignment in this instance.
I think you read too much into it....
I've heard people compare the two with "Luna is socially awkward, while Bee is awkwardly social."
so accurate!
... I'm going to use this next time someone asks me the difference between me and my twin sister. It's prefect!
I love this description.
That’s a great way of putting it
Lol
Bee wasn't wrong though, she got a bad vibe from Blitzo suffering from something and drinking to forget his problems
Maybe it's her power, seeing how she said she can taste other people. We don't know all her magical abilities
Yeah, that’s why she got Loona to bundle him up and get him out of there, so he’d stop souring the flavor of the Beelzejuice she’s producing.
@@dodiswatchboboboShe asked Loona to check on Blitz, not to leave.
@@Gaterman You don't have to use direct language to ask people to leave. She and her partner made it clear they didn't like his actions and that Luna was being held responsible. He was getting flagged aka no more party for you.
@@LazyspaceoutYa, that's immediately what I thought too! Idk how she didn't pick up on that
People need to learn that just because a character is flawed and someone calls them flawed, doesn't mean you're wrong for liking that character, it also doesn't mean someone is wrong for criticizing them.
such an evenly thought out perspective = ) appreciate critical thinking in the wild
@GeorgiaDow I don't know if you know the stiff.But queen bee can actually taste the vibes of other people on how their mood is going like remember blitzo just got back from episode 7 too remember.
@@OoyZaza-ze8bw Agreed. Like, I understand and appreciate Georgia's take and analysis, but by context and stuff I just really don't think that's the way the scene (? Sequence? Plotline/point?) was written or came across as for most people, at least judging by what I've seen from other reactions
That's a very flawed reading of people's criticisms.
I think people over identify with characters and feel attacked by criticism.
The only part of this I strongly disagree with is the interpretation of Bee approaching Luna.
Be explains that she can feel the vibe of the people at her party. This would include Blitz. She's not saying that the party is worse and Blitz is making it bad. She's saying that she can taste the energy of people there, including Blitz, and she can feel that he's hurting. When she motions to the crowd, she has no problem with people drinking and being too much, but they're doing it to have fun and she can taste that. Blitz is doing it to escape, and she can feel that as well.
That's how I read it.
That being said, no hate to your interpretation. It's valid and fun when people read media differently. It shows that we all see the world differently.
I agree with the rest of what you said, that was the one part that I saw differently.
@@willowwhisps1339 She (probably accidentally) presents it as a false dilemma though - she never even seems to consider the option that she just genuinely is worried about Blitzo, and she argues that Queen Bee's claim that he's messing up the mood of the party is false...when Bee never actually _made_ that claim.
@@somdudewillson Exaactly
@somdudewillson I think she heard that line about Bee tasting the vibe and feel of everyone there to mean that she thought the vibe was off now.
But again I don't think that's what she meant at all. I think she literally meant she could taste the feel of every individual there, and she knew Blitz was in a really bad place.
Notice how instead of making it public, kicking him out, or asking then to leave she only asks Luna to check on him.
This is exactly what I came here to say. She could tell Blitzo was not right, she could taste his energy and his energy was bad. She wasn't wrong at all. She also didn't say the party was being messed up by him, she was actually concerned about him.
The rest of her analysis I think is reasonable but she definitely misunderstood what was being said in this scene.
I'm surprised you didn't notice that she immediately was concerned by how much and how aggressively Blitz was drinking here 11:05. her expression, which was also hidden, doesn't seem jealous or offended, but concerned for his health. if feels like she wanted to have a fun game and Blitz was clearly in downward spiral.
Yeah. You can see that both Vortex and Bee are quite concerned for him with the way he is drinking the alcohol and the rate he is doing it at.
Yeah, I think in her case she accepted that she lost the game but could tell something was up, opting to take the quiet and not so embarassing/loudspeaker route, which she could've easily done, and got someone directly associated to try and help
I agree, this was the only part where I really disagreed with her interpretation of bee’s actions
Thank you!
@@biobasher You can even see her reaching out to catch him when he starts to fall over as well. Her face is also clearly very concerned in the background when she notices him wobbling.
I think the portrayal of the "sins" in this show is very deliberate... they are flawed but not necessarily evil or irredeemable.
One of the core themes of the show is that people are not perfect, but that doesn't mean they are unworthy of love or forgiveness.
"Not necessarily evil or irredeemable"
*Mammon:* hi there hello
@@TheRibottoStudiosI was just about to mention Mammon lol
Most the sins seem to be healthy about it.
Then, Ma Mon.
except Greed. But that actully makes sense.
Mammon:
I think its worth noting Bee is a primordial entity that is worshipped basically like a Goddess so that may color her social tact a little bit.
and we can get why she is
I think this also goes towards the pup comment, like yeah it bothered Luna, but Bee is a primordial entity, older than she looks, compared to her probably most of the people at that party look quite young
Yeah, I worked quite a bit with elderly people when I was Loona's age and I'd be surprised if a single one of them thought of me as the adult I legally was. It's maybe not the most respectful reaction, but I think it's natural to get that first impression of someone with a huge age difference.
Heck, I sometimes get that gut reaction when I come across young teenagers online. "Oh you small innocent baby, why are you on this horrible site? Surely you should be on Neopets or whatever the kids play today"
Solas is like that with Blitzo frequently too, "Itty Bitty imp"
@@helenanilsson5666LoL kids aren't playing neopets. Adult millennials that played it as kids are. 😂
I see her as blunt character, with ADHD. She shown to be easily distracted from the original conversation with Loona, she forgot what she was saying in the middle of it lol.
Bee did also admit that she was pretty high as well, and, considering the outro party song mentions stuff like ketamine and fentanol, not to mention her later adding that she usually gets a bunch of "party drugs" from her fellow Sin, it probably WASN'T just on "tasty energy" either, lol.
@@AnInsideJoke Yep Belphegor would imply she was talking about the lord of the Sloth ring.
Yeah, I kinda saw her as more neurodivergent too (ADHD makes a lot of sense), but also super extroverted! So a little stuck in her own head and egocentric, but well-meaning
I have ADHD, and I did not get neurodivergent vibes from Bee at all. I did (however) get a LOT of narcissistic and Regina George vibes. Usually, the neurodivergent kids group together and find each other, thus I'm skeptical if she was written with the intention to have ADHD. We also aren't usually very popular as there is a lot of nuance with social interaction that we tend to miss.
@@alyssapeterson2004 I mean, maybe she doesn't get on with the other sins? She is demon nobility, and when you're nobility neurodivergent is seen as being "An eccentric". I'm pretty sure that if she wasn't an immortal deadly sin she wouldn't get the pass to say the stuff she does.We don't see her acting with her peers (other deadly sins and powerful demons), just her subjects. The Hellhounds.
Her rank and power protect her to some level.
I think Queen Bee is meant to come off AS a narcissistic creep, but the end of the episode where she is gracious in defeat to Blitz, and only gets mad at Loona when she feels shes being disrespected, it shows shes deeper than she comes off as.
Now, she says she can taste the flavor of the party. I take that as being in tune to a vibe.
Ive been to parties where i got a bad vibe, didn't say something, and bad stuff happened. I took this as her being serious about not liking the vibes coming from Blitz.
And she was right, he ends the episode passing out mumbling about dying alone. Hes in a bad spot, and drinking in a bad headspace can be a bad time.
Thats my view anyway.
It's also telling that, not too long after making her entrance, she immediately pivoted to making the rounds on the floor, checking in with her guests to thank them for coming and make sure they were enjoying themselves. Bee definitely sees herself as the life and soul of the party, but rather than wanting to be the center of attention, she strives to be a good host and ensure everyone's having as much fun as she is.
I do think Queen Bee might have been projecting a bit there, but I think she was also right that Blitz needed help.
No
I took "I can taste people's energy " as literal 😂 Like that's her magical power
@@Sly-Moose I definitely took that as Bee is a supernatural empath, which could explain her controlling and manipulating the emotions of the people at her parties as potentially necessary for her own wellbeing in a way that it, obviously, wouldn't be for a human
To be fair to queen bee calling out blitz, i always assumed it wasn’t that he was going hard, its that he’s self destructing. This was after the incident at ozzies, and he’s very vulnerable right now. Someone self destructing like that, is possibly what she was feeling. He was purring bad ingredients in her honey, essentially.
But to REALLY understand bee, we need to see her outside of her area. What’s she like outside of a party? How does she act with just tex? When people aren’t there to see her. She’s got the mask up here, and is that different to how she normally is?
I'm hopeful we'll see more of her later this year. While we don't have any concrete details yet, an episode title like 'Sinsmas' makes me think we might get to see the Sins interacting in a more private setting, which would give us a better sense of what Bee's like when she's not center-stage.
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If you pause when she is with Tex, and Tex nuzzles her, she gets a really soft, adoring look on her face, so I'd LOVE to see her, again, not at a party.
100%
@@ChaoticButterflybut when she gets angry I dont realy know why Tex reacts by looking away, ears flat etc. Maybe sometimes in heated arguments she gets violent too. Her playing it down by "getting a bit spacy" there could be her ususl excuse after such incidents.
One thing I will give this show credit for is having Bee, the embodiment of gluttony, recognize the dangers of using consumption as a coping mechanism. In the same way they have Asmodeus, the embodiment of lust, acknowledge the importance of consent. That was a nice touch.
It makes sense if you think about it. Even if you think hedonism/maximising pleasure is the only thing that matters, escapism is *still* bad, because of the emotional backlash that happens when you sober up (like in this case, Blitzo spiraling fatalistically about dying alone).
As a cartoonist, Bee's expressions when talking to Loona look sincere. That's how I would draw sincere concern, though the scene may have been paced too quickly to make it come off that way... but Vivzie definitely crams a lot of plot beats in, so it's not out of pace for her. It might have been better to do a clean cut, but I think her expression to Tex was like, the first sense she had that Blitz might have come to her party with an inner turmoil that could go bad, so she was probably keeping an eye on him. She shares that concerned look with Tex, which I think goes to ground it a bit more, almost like she's getting a second opinion, even if he doesn't have her preternatural sense.
Since she's a magical creature personifying the sin of gluttony, I can believe that that she can literally taste the energy as one of her Prince powers, and since we know Blitz was literally coming off his bad date with Stolas and using this as a bad coping method. Like a princess literally feeling a pea under 9 mattresses and not being able to sleep well. Blitz hadn't ruined the party yet, but he could have if he didn't get checked up on now, or like telling one person at a party that their friend got too drunk or high and needed some help or attention... which Blitz actually needed, so that was certainly true. The high of the party might literally be her life or food source, so maintaining its positivity could be self-serving, but at least others mutually benefit from it... like Lust benefits its participants, but Greed not so much.
Her comments with nice and bite though, those I could see going either way, although they were probably there to put us in Loona's position where we don't know if Bee is mocking or inviting in Loona. Loona feels rejected of course because she was into Tex, though he mentioned he had a girlfriend. She probably thought they might break up or she might have an in later, but seeing her romantic rival was the Prince of Gluttony, yeah, she had to accept that wasn't going to happen. I think that's why she got invited back in by another cute hellhound boy to show her even if Tex won't be interested in her, she shouldn't let the social anxiety win and should give it another go.
Very fun cosplay going into this one!
I do wonder if we will get any further clarification on Bee later. Given that she was voiced by Kesha, probably not, but I guess it's still possible. I think she is one of the more mutualistic of Seven deadly sins along with Lust, possibly just because of the nature of indulgence at least means everyone is getting treated whereas Mammon has to draw his power from depriving others. I wouldn't be surprised if Envy and Wrath are less supportive sins. I mean Satan, the wrath is possibly forced more outward, but a lot of the imps from wrath keep dying in their versions of sport, and that's a permanent thing, so it's definitely rough. Sloth I can see being more neutral, because it's powered by inaction. It's probably comfortable, but dulling. Pride is a functional dumpster fire, but I think we can say Lucifer runs with a disinterest, so probably neutral. He isn't hurting or helping the sinners for the most part, but put himself above and away from it for the most part.
Agreed!
Lucifer is severely depressed, so it makes sense for the Pride ring to be in disrepair. His motives don't really matter if he lacks the, well, motivation to do anything with them.
3:41 I always considered her using the word "pup" because she can tell that Loona is new to the party scene. She can taste her immaturity and inexperience and knew she didn't even have any friends yet, so she sees her as a bit new and a "pup" to this party scene. I don't think it was intended to be condescending, as Vortex sees her the same way. He saw her little puppy crush on him when they met and wants her to gain experience and to intermingle with actual hell hounds, to help her grow up, mature and become a more complete person (as I sometimes think Loona is trapped in the same teenage mental space from when she was in the orphanage. Biologically she is in her early 20's, but emotionally she is stuck in a teenager mindset.)
I agree, but also, I believe Bee is a few thousand years old like the rest of the sins. So, she probably feels that way about a lot of the other hounds she interacts with, too, sense she's significantly older.
Yeah, I feel like it can go either way, but QB is positive; usually insecure people don't like their insecurities amplified, but with Bee its more of how she relates to others. Like that's the difference between a queen bee and a mean girl, one uses insecurities to make them feel "seen"& the other uses them to make others feel "small"
It very well could have just been Bee flirting with Loona, lol. She did immediately call Loona a "cutie" right after
It could also be something akin to the word "baby."
I mean, adult humans don't call each other literal babies in similar situations.
@@Darth_Niki4 but we do use kid or babe
"Is this the sweet * kid* you told me about she is a total cutie where you been hiding girl."
Texas "Let's get you some friends *girl*" feels like he saw her the same too, younger . So to his girlfriend "I met this kid at work maybe we could invite her to one of her parties I think she needs friends."
That cosplay and those hair highlights look great. I think Bee does have a high opinion of herself and acts high and mighty, but it isn't intentionally ill willed. After all, she literally feeds off the positive energy in the room, and we see how she doesn't like when people using partying as a coping mechanism, like Blitzø was doing. Deep down, she does care about others in her own way.
Yeah, that makes sense.
She always has the best costumes.
Excellent point.
Thanks Dan = ) this was a fun one I cant lie and bee is a very interesting char for the show
It WAS kind of wild to see you break down the Satan tangent scene that almost every single ADHD person sees and goes “SO relatable” and say “yep, this is how narcissists behave.” Probably made a couple people scared.
I sometimes talk like that! It literally just me ranting and being extra awkward so being called narcissistic was like ow ok. 😭
I am ADHD and related so hard to that moment, but the thing is, it is also how narcissists behave, some traits can be the same or even just to seem the same and yet not be the same
I often have to stop myself from going on my own "i can relate" tangent because I understand that to NTs it can sound like I'm making it about me, when I'm just trying to relate and empathize with them by telling them a similar occurrence. I can see how it can be interpreted that way tho. But it's extra conscious effort I have to put into the way I communicate.
Right?
@@CalidoriOmg, I often worry if I'm just making things about myself when I'm going off on tangents, but that's honestly just how I connect with others. I share them my life and my stories and then I grow attached to them like family and wanna know their life as well.
I just often have to remind myself like, "Wait- Pause. Ask them some questions and give em time to talk too before I get hyper fixated on my fictional stories again."
There are other times where I'm trynna comfort someone but sometimes don't know how to and so I'd try sharing a similar story, whether it's happened to me or not.
I think that Bee might simply be so self confident that she has trouble understanding the very concept of embarrassment. She might be unaware that what she says can even embarrass other people.
This!
"bee was ticked he was stealing her limelight" she's a supernatural quasi-deity who thrives on excess, and she's determined that positive excess, in the same way ozzie's consensual lust, is her favorite food. blitz is the only guy at the party stinking of hurt feelings and rebound energy and crapping up the place.
QB always came off to me like a rave-mom who genuinely makes sure the partiers are safe and taken care of.
The contrast between Loona and QB is also a contrast between introverts and extroverts. I feel like if a lot of people think you're being uncharitable to Bee it's because she seemed to accept her loss to Blitzo pretty graciously (if a bit concerned for his health). If she's knocking Loona it doesn't seem to be on purpose, but from Loona's perspective it can seem that way.
TBH I think Bee just... has a sense of self. All her confidence is matched by reality in terms of who she is, her power, position, looks, and all that.
I agree with you for the most part, but with Blitzø I think her issue seemed more along with lines of actual concern. After she drops her smile she looks more worried than irritated or jealous. I get the impression that she senses his self hatred and that he wasn't partying for party's sake but instead self-destructing. Remember this is right after his big failed evening. I don't think she minds that he's in the spotlight briefly so much as his "party energy", or whatever you want to call what Bee feeds on, is too sour or bitter.
I agree 100%
I mean, she intentionally _puts_ him in that spotlight. Blitzo didn't actually beat her in the drinking contest (she's the Sin of Gluttony!), she threw it before she even started drinking.
@@somdudewillson She was too distracted at his condition.
So I think, Bee coming off as... dont remember what word you used for it but when she was talking to Luna about Blitz... It makes sense until you hear Blitz at the end saying he had a really bad day and was afraid he was going to die alone. Bee could taste his energy, she could tell that his drinking wasn't for fun, it was to drown out his own thoughts. I do think she was actually worried about Blitz, but there was a tiny bit of her ego in the way she worded everything
It was hard for me to read Bee at first. Though, I do think Bee was concerned for what Blitz was doing. When he upstaged her, she probably “tasted” how he was feeling, and it caused that look. Given this was after Ozzie’s it would make sense. Whether it was for his own self interest, to preserve her party, or a mix of both I’m unsure.
I think there is a different reason why Bee had on a more negative expression after the drink-off with Blitzo. As the sin of gluttony, Bee is able to detect people's feelings around the sin they are indulging in, and can therefore tell the difference between someone being glutenous because they want to have a temporary night of fun and indulgence, and someone being glutenous because they are trying to run away from something that is really hurting them emotionally. It seems that Bee doesn't like it when people indulge in gluttony for that second reason. Don't forget, this episode takes place literally right after episode 7, and Blitzo was in an emotionally wrecked state at the time, and I think Bee might have picked up on that. Which is why she went to Loona afterwards to see if Blitzo could get some proper emotional help, and not just more alcohol. But then, Loona had to jump down Bee's throat when she was just trying to help and caused Bee to release her giant form for a moment when her patience with Loona ran out.
15:21 Bee is was being literal about tasting emotion’s because she’s an emotionvore or emotion vampire
She absorbs the positive emotions of the guests to make that honey that’s flowing around like how she’s says in the song
When she winces she’s feeling Blitz isn’t partying for fun but to bury the pain he was feeling because of what happened at Ozzy’s which was souring the honey flow
And when Loona was disrespectful Bee’s reaction was both from the disrespect and poor attitude that made her to go into her true form
Pretty much
Yeah she literally tastes the sourness from loona at that moment and even calls her sour cream for that. Bee's expression softens when loona calms down a bit after seeing tex's expression too.
My understanding about Queen Bee is that she is an empath. She says she feels what others feel.
That might explain why she hulks out when Loona pushes back over Blitz's bad vibe. She was matching Loona's mood.
Emapths are people with sensory processing disorder, picking up on vibes has nothing to do with empathy or SPD.
One thing about QB is that she eats emotions, she can sense them. She can feel that Blitzo is not drinking just for having fun but because he wants to forget what happens in Ozzie's (after all, it's the same night). At least I saw it like that, she is emphathic because of this power, she can literally feel if someone is happy, sad or angry even if the other person is the best actor in the universe
Huh. I naively took the characture at face value that Bee was genuinely concerned about Blitz after way over served himself when he bodied a freaking keg! Adding the part Bee references with her ability to taste the energy at these parties as part of her powers and she knows he's not doing well by his self-destructive flavor. This was just after that brutal date for blitz so yeah, bad night/taste. ( The other part why I trust Bee and her intentions? Vortex is unimpeachable, 100% good dude, and he chooses to be with Bee)
I was once told that you can tell alot about a person by looking at who their top 5 friends are (since they are the family the person chose).
That wasn't naive. Georgia Dow seems to have accidentally fallacy'd herself a decent bit here - for example, she doesn't even seem to _notice_ the interpretation that she's worried for Blitzo personally, and instead produced two different interpretations of her behavior. Specifically, she presents "Bee is worried because Blitzo is bringing down the mood of the party" as though it's a claim Queen Bee actually made when its, uhh, not?
@@somdudewillson yeah! Usually she seems to nail the character but here she's so blinded by her need to be right initially that she's not reevaluating Bee accurately. Disappointing
You took it exactly right. She tried to apply psychology to a supernatural ability to taste the vibes of her party goers.
Not to mention the fact she said that going off on tangents is a sign of narcissism. Which if that’s the case then 90% of people with ADHD are narcissists
@@wildrabbit2237 Honestly feels like she is blinded by her own method here. If your tool is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Bee needs to show symptoms for a proper pychological analysis.
That's generally a danger of applying the same method/theory on everything the same way. You start to overinterpret and ignore obvious counterarguments.
I do appreciate a different perspective, but I feel like it's a stretch that when she looks put off after Blitz is carried away that it's because her ego was hurt. Tex had the same look and watched after Blitz, so I think it was her genuinely being worried. If Tex was worried because Bee was showed up he would've reacted like he did when Bee snaps at Loona. I think she wasnt feeling the party was feeling uncomfortable with Blitz, but that she could tell Blitz was self destructing and not just partying hard. Theres the guy who is just having a great time and theres the guy whos endulging in order hide a pain they are feeling, and she would be able to feel that and it gives a different energy than a person just partaking in gluttony.
Obviously Bee isnt an innocent, we still dont know just how her bee juice is made and it still sets up the idea she keeps her masses happy in order for then to make the juice she is reliant on.
But like Ozzy I do feel shes generally meant to be one of the sins that breaks the stereotype of a prince of sin is inheritly evil.
I read the scene the same way. She even encouraged the crowd to celebrate Blitzo’s victory, and after, between her and Tex, they were communicating with just glances as couples do. From what I understood, they already realized that Blitzo was drowning his sorrows in alcohol, but they chose not to speak publicly, exchanging only glances between themselves and then going to talk directly to Loona after that.
Fun fact: Bee's lava lamp stomach is a literal furnace, and she can't get full, no matter how much she eats.
I may be completely off in my interpretation of Bee, but I took some of her dialogue literally as part of her lore.
When she says "keep making me that motherf***ing honey!", I interpreted that as party vibes being what she uses to produce literal honey, which she then turns into mead (aka "beelzejuice," as first seen in Springbroken). That's why her being able to "taste a person's vibes" didn't come off as a strange comment at all; if the mood of the party can change the taste of your signature product, then you'll probably want to make sure everyone's having a good time all the time.
Another thing I noticed was her concerned look she had during her contest with Blitzø. On my first watch, I thought she was worried that Blitzø could actually beat her; on second watch, however, I thought maybe she could tell how messed up he was (be it from "vibe taste" or just the way he was acting) and chose to lose on purpose in hopes of lifting his mood a bit, which ended up not working.
Again, could be completely wrong, but wanted to give my two cents seeing as these are still a bunch of supernatural entities in literal Hell.
Agreed!
I saw it as her being too surprised to think about the contest for a moment rather than losing deliberately. But agree on the genuine concern, especially as she was right about Blitz not being ok...
well i mean Queen Bee/Beelzebub as the sin of gluttony is probably hundreds if not thousands of years old so by that logic a lot of beings are technically young pups.
Going off Hazbin she is AT LEAST 10,000 years old.
Either
QB is a narcissist whose interests happen to align with the betterment of others
Or
QB is a genuinely nice and kind person who is popular because she’s just naturally the life of the party
There’s a coincidence somewhere here
Or she’s a genuinely nice and kind person who is also very shallow and self-absorbed.
I think she is a narcissist who purposefully created a way to feed her own ego and need to party while also making the majority of people around her happy and think shes a great person.
Its not necessarily even deceptive, she really does enjoy people being happy... just not out of pure empathy and compassion alone.
@Shiftarus she had pure empathy for blitz, a stranger she didn't know, she's the queen bee of gluttony but still cut someone off cuz she didn't want to see him get hurt, loona has been nothing but rude to her all night and she still approaches her softly and only "gets spicy" once loona starts attacking her which was warnented
@@Thebeezzkneezz. She didn’t have empathy for Blitzø, she just wanted him fixed so he’d stop messing up the flavor of the party for her.
@@dodiswatchbobobo she said that cuz loona wasn't listening to her, that face she made as soon as he drank all the beezle juice, the face she made to text as they walked away. She has a mask on and it clealry slippeds off multiple times when she is concerned for someone (blitz in specific) and she immediately apologized for getting spicy at loona, when it was loona attacking her when she was trying to help,
Even if she wanted a "good vibe" that's her caring for EVERYONE there. She's the host!
If anything I think Bee is a cosmic elder entity that can more literally taste the energy of a room. See her expression during the drinking contest? Then her further expression of concern in a quiet moment? We known from the shows context that blitz was not at all okay and was actually very much acting out out of pain. So Bee was 100% correct on the assessment that blitz wasn't okay. Many fans even theorize that she let blitz win because she knew that he needed a win.
As for her outburst I think she was less saying 'do as your told' and more 'Im tryna help and your being rude and snipey, back off and back down'
yes and she wanted Loona to watch over him. not to have him leave
On some level, I see Bee as having a lot in common with Charlie. They're both very upbeat and outgoing, and their social dynamics are built on the understanding that they're very much the heart and soul of their scene -- and while they're powerful, they seem to prefer using their influence to lift others up in the ways they know best. They both have to be involved in everything and are the first ones to jump at the chance to be included, but their backgrounds and upbringing as Hellborn royalty leave them a bit sheltered and naive about people who aren't on their wavelength, and their honesty can easily come across as dismissive or insulting to newcomers.
Huge agree. Very well said
I think she had genuine concern about how Blitz's emotions were, considering this canonically takes place directly after the incident at Ozzie's, and Blitz was still drunk and angry at Stolas. I definitely read ADHD for her(and relate so hard to that 'giving a personal story to relate and saying way to much', although I have more embarrassment afterwards than Bee does). Her confidence is definitely admirable, and I really hope she comes back so we can learn more about her and see more interactions with Loona.
IIRC the events of this episode happen right after the events of _OZZIE’S_ so it makes sense that Blitzø would be self-destructing.
the only thing i have to say is about the pup thing, Loona is literally like...18-19 years old, Beelzebub is THOUSANDS of years old...it's like a 45 year old man telling a 19 year old they're still a kid. more proportionally it's like a 45 year old telling a newborn they're a kid. but like, thats getting into weird semantics
I'm not saying it makes it right, but I can see it just being a thing people probably don't think about
I think Loona’s actually 22
@@winxbuneari5430 no she's like 18 or 19
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No vivziepop confirmed that Loona is currently 22 years old.
She was 17 when Blitz adopted her but 5 years have passed.
@@cheyannegiles9772no shes 22.
you can literally google it.
She is insanely empathic she has the power to literally feel how others feel.
I don't think Bee was thinking of herself when she made that face. It certainly didn't give off the jealous/angry vibe. There's another episode that shows what Blitz went through that same day and Luna's reaction to Blitz's behavior confirms that he was definitely not behaving in an acceptable manner. She also mentions how she has experience telling how people feel at her parties. She has no idea what Blitz went through, but she can detect that he is suffering deeply because of the way he's behaving. He may have been able to keep his problems to himself while sober, but while under the influence, it might start affecting others, and that's a valid concern. The party's huge, so it's not like everyone there is going to notice what Blitz is up to. The look Bee gave when Blitz was chugging the containter tells me she thinks, "Wow, he must have a lot of problems to drown in alcohol if he's able to consume that much." There's not really much Bee could have done differently/better in this situation to not appear self-centered.
Bee was visibly concerned when Blitz chugged the keg, Just go back and look at her face.
the episode made it clear to me that her problem with blitz is the REASON behind why he is getting wasted, especially given this episode takes place right after season 1 episode 7
Was honestly thinking about this earlier, about how she just has so much positive energy that it can be overwhelming for people or come off to them as fake, like “No one is *this* nice unless they’re hiding something” and I’m pretty sure a lot of us in the audience expected her to turn out evil, but her behavior seems pretty genuine (especially since she doesn’t seem to have much of a filter on her)
*watches to hear your thoughts*
Edit: Definitely agree that it could be that she’s just oblivious, and honestly Tex is kinda the same way too
Like you said in the previous video, both of them are very extroverted and assume that Loona’s the same way, with how they try to be friendly and make her feel welcome, not understanding that she’s more introverted and that they might actually be making her feel uncomfortable (and being an introvert myself, I can just relate to her *so* hard here. Don’t think I’ve ever really been in that situation myself, but I’d definitely feel that same way as her)
Edit 2: Very interesting question! Could probably be both? Hard to say for sure without more info
I'll have to say that Bee wasn't looking at Blitzo concerned for her position, but because she could sense he was drinking not to have fun, which is what she is all about.
With how 'quick on the draw' Queen Bee is I always assumed she 'lacked a filter' as it were. Unsure if there is an official term for that.
ADHD (as an ADHDer). She might even be a highly social AuADHDer.
I think Bee is genuine in her desire to create a Heaven-like environment for her partygoers, but she does it for her own selfish reasons, and she might be going about it in the wrong ways.
Also, she’s not just a party girl. She’s the king of the Gluttony ring. All kings have fancy castles and big balls. But based on the only other place we’ve seen in Gluttony (the Hellhound Pound, which Bee administrates), that fun and plenty comes at a high cost to the rest of her people.
14:20 i would argue its neither of both scenarios. i think the bad vibe she is tasting is blitz not doing this to have fun but to numb the pain from the evening in ozzies. and this is probably not just bad for her and her party but also for the honey and that is nothing she could just ignore. she wants that people have fun, even if they get wasted while doing it. but self destruction isnt fitting with that and so she wants that this ends
I don't think Queen Bee-lzebub is bad. She is flawed, but not evil. We only got one episode with her. Queen Bee's powers and her feeling Blitz's negative behavior will slowly affect everyone in a horrible way. She wanted Blitz out of the party before it spreads.
She has too much positivity. She is the queen of gluttony and she is overindulge positivity.
Well there is "good" wasted and "bad" wasted. The rule is never drink or do drugs when you're angry or sad. Kids, don't do drugs period, but it's part of the subject of the show.
She's certainly using these people, she says so much in her song, but as she's trying to keep everyone happy it's a win/win and I would call it non malicious manipulation.
She might be concerned that if left unchecked,Blitz could spoil this batch of emotions because he's both sad and angry while drinking. She could also be worried about his welfare because he IS making bad choices. Also, and my suspicion is she's both worried about his welfare AND him spoiling the batch.
Loona went to this woman's house, knowing it was Vortex's girlfriend who was hosting the party... to try and steal her man. Bee could tell from Loona's energy what was up, and was still a gracious host. She feeds on energy, so when she lost her temper, and transformed, she was only reflecting Loona's energy back at her. Also, if you pay attention, she was concerned DURING the drinking contest, and let Blitz win, because she felt that he needed a win.
The flip side to that is that if she can read Loona she can read her man. Perhaps she’s not jealous because she knows she’s got nothing to fear but also knows how important it is to him for things to go well for Loona.
maybe this is just my perception of ageless/immortal characters, but I feel like the whole "pup" thing was meant to be a comment on the fact that she may be thousands of years old compared to the hellhounds around her. ages weren't confirmed, but seeing as how she is known throughout the demon and human world already, she's GOT to be ancient. doesn't make it any less frustrating for Loona, but I don't think she meant it from an authoritarian stance. If there IS something deeper going on, i didn't see any evidence of her thinking about it at the time. I believe we may have to wait for more episodes featuring her to see it, since as of now, we've only met her once, at a party.
During Bee's song, she does mention that she wants people to "keep making me that m-f-ing honey". I wonder if her concern about Blitz, and her constant checking that everyone is having fun, is because the parties do actually produce some sort of honey and unhappiness or distress negatively effect the taste or whatever effects it might have.
That's an awesome queen Bee outfit.
thank you Bee was such fun to be a part of
thank you *bows*
I relate so much to Bee seeing so many people call her mean and shallow is so harsh.
Although you perceive Beelzebub's actions through a lens of hierarchy, I see them as being rooted in her extravert's passion for "tasty energy," and I think the episode supports this.
As one of the seven deadly sins, Beelzebub is unquestionably powerful, unquestionably at the top of Hell society, and, I suspect, has no reason to doubt this. When she praises Loona, or praises Blitz, she sacrifices nothing and loses nothing. Notice, too, that Bee never conceals her relationship with Vortex, a low-status hellhound (a relationship, according to the show, that other deadly sins feel necessary to hide). When she says to Loona, "You don't give a sh*t how freaky you come off, and that's f--ing beautiful," she could almost be describing herself, and so it's no surprise that she would immediately declare this common ground with Loona.
Later, when she senses the "not-okay vibes" from Blitz, her concern has nothing to do with being upstaged by him, and everything to do with the "mood" of her party. Add to this that she's not asking Loona to take Blitz away, but to check on him to see if he's "all right."
When Bee tells Loona that Blitz has been "causing problems on purpose," this is not projection: Loona sees an example of his behaviour when Blitz humiliates and chases away Dennis. This allows the story itself to confirm that Bee has noticed something Loona had overlooked: Blitz is even more of a mess, tonight, than usual, and Loona should indeed be concerned about him.
How we perceive a character is up to us, but I do believe that certain "takes" on a character are more supported by a story than others. If Bee were actually concerned about being upstaged, actually concerned about losing control of her "Queen Bee" position, I think the story would have done more to show this. Instead, it implies a very different perspective on who she is, and on what she wants. Being powerful, she can therefore be magnanimous, which is a quality that Loona cannot trust as genuine... which tells us even more about Loona than it does about Bee.
This, I believe, is part of the story's point: people in pain, like Loona, quite often fail to understand people who are not in pain, and quite often resent generosity of spirit in others because they find it so hard to discover this generosity within themselves. And this, in turn, makes Loona's final gesture of kindness to Blitz all the more poignant... perhaps even a sign of hope for herself, and for him.
Yah this is how I perceived it too. Bee is throwing this party, getting people whatever they want, checking on them etc and Loona insults her as if Bee isn't being genuine when she is.
I kind of always read Bee as Autistic. She really does mean everything well, but is unaware of how some might perceive her words or actions. So she can say something she didn't mean to be upsetting, just being honest with a failure in her filter, or the wrong tone to get across exactly what she means. She just speaks her mind in good will and faith. She really see Luna as her favorite person in that moment. In that moment, Luna was her favorite, because she enjoys the company of whoever she is with in the moment the most.
Speech therapy, specifically working on her wording and tone of voice, would be perfect for Bee to truly convey her feelings to others.
She is also the LIFE of the party. Meaning she want people to have fun in good ways. So she got upset seeing Blitzo being unhealthy because he was not having fun. He was hurting himself. And that is not her deal. It upset her to see him hurting himself, so she got Luna, hoping she would know how to help. It might be kind of selfishly, but she does care about people being healthy. Otherwise not just kick out Luna for being stand-offish? She wasn't upset she lost the attention. She loved that he beat her in the drinking game, cheering him on with the howl. Her concern was that he wasn't doing it for fun, but to wallow in his misery. If anything, she may be upset his energy wasn't "tasty" like what she felt before. Hence why she wasn't people to have good, clean, somewhat-healthy fun.
She is doing to it a bit selfishly, not wanting him to kill the mood. But I think its a 50/50. Him not being okay, so getting Luna to help him because he really isn't okay and his actions could harm himself or others, but also that seeing that might ruin the fun for others, ruining the mood of the party she worked very hard to throw.
Finally, she also has rules to follow as the Queen of Gluttony, a code of conduct as a Ring ruler in Hell. She must keep order and the hierarchy. That is her responsibility and the Sin of Gluttony. She can't let one of her subjects boss her around in her own party, or she could lose the ability to rule the Gluttony Ring and maintain order. It could fall apart, causing many lost lives. She has to stand her ground for the good of her rule, as she is key to stability of her people. That can't be an easy burden.
You are making me talk like a therapist, and I am okay with that. >XD
I had to make a comment that was very similar haha. It's really long
I could see some of that. But, I felt she was a bit intentionally attacking as well. When critiquing I usually do it plainly but I do so in a way that always comes with tips so others can be better. And it took a long time for me to figure out that came across as condescension rather than just explaining my hyper fixation. (Someone finally told me) This difficulty meant even when I was heavily masking I couldn’t social butterfly like that because my natural autistic social difficulties would get in the way by either limiting attendance or put my foot in my mouth way too often to keep up a vibe.
I could see adhd though.
About Blitzø, he was drinking to try to forget what happened at Ozzie's with Stolas, Verosika and Fizz. Imagine the night he had.. Bee can literally taste the vibe of the people there so she KNEW for a fact that Blitzø was having a bad night and was being self destructive so I really think she was just looking out for him. Maybe she was also looking out for herself because she did not want to taste that, but if that is the case she could just have kicked Blitzø out earlier and more aggressively so at least she handled it with grace
As mentioned several times, Bee's concern for Blitz was genuine. She's empathic. It wasn't about a bruised ego.
I will note 11:06-11:08 she immediately was wincing at his immediate slamming of the alcohol which indicates immediate concern, and then also when she was talking about blitz she related stuff to the party, but was genuinely talking about Blitzo as such in the later scenes
yes and wanted to have Loona just watch over him which ads to that thought
@@GeorgiaDow Its also pretty easy to miss, but that expression on her face when she noticed Blitzo is starting to wobble and then is immediately reaching to catch him before he falls. Like I find it hard to read that as anything other then genuine.
I think it's important to acknowledge that there's a difference between "people management" and "manipulation." Making sure everyone at the party feels safe and is having fun is NOT manipulation. But it is good group management and leadership skills. Those are things a party host should already be doing anyway. It would be manipulation if she was forcing people to stay against their will or forcing them to feel things they don't want to feel.
Also, Queen Bee shows she's comfortable and capable of stepping back and letting Blitz take the limelight. I think being concerned for HOW he won and whether he's OK is nor the same as being upset THAT he won or that he upstaged her. Queen Bee is playing the role of a good host and is concerned for the safety and well-being of one of her guests. None of her actions are unwarranted or manipulative.
15:57 I think she warned loona to take care of her dad bc he was there not to have fun but to manage a loss (what happened with stolas at Ozzie’s), and bee could feel that and she got worried cuz that’s not the way to deal with those emotions.
I love that Bee can recognize when someone is over indulging in a bad way vs indulging in just the right amount. Bee didn't make a fuss about how Blitz in front of a crowd, cause she didn't want to ruin the mood. She has enough awareness to take Loona aside and tell her in private. She didn't do it to get under anyone's skin but out of genuine concern for Blitz. Whether it was to fix the vibe of the party aka for her own benefit or for his and Loona's is the question.
i quite like how they made Beezlebub not an insect for once
i do love the entire literal queen bee aspect but the same thing gets old
for example Lucifer being a goat with blood red skin is so boring while having an autistic ring leader with depression is fresh and new and most importantly its FUN
anyways all that being said Bee is a fantastic design and the group who animated her did an amazing job
Bee had fly wings, still.
And Satan's gonna be a dragonic imp, it seems(the bloody goat, Lucifer is typically a charming angel when solo)
Viv's given her sins a lot of personality in their designs.
Question. When was Lucifer classified as being autistic? I just thought he was suffering from PTSD and depression from everything he went through with Heaven and then Lilith leaving. 🤷
@@ravenhurst96that's just a fan assumption based on his behaviour (as someone with ASD - I don't see, where they get it from, he's a normal person without any autism). I don't think seraphims suffer from mental disorders.
Dude, that’s not autism.
Lucifer doesn't seem autistic to me at all. Out of the entire cast of both shows universe I'd say Moxxie has the most red flags to me of possibly being on the spectrum. Especially after the camp episode where he didn't seem to be picking up on the vibes he was putting off at all, and seemed to have trouble noticing the other campers discomfort around him until it was made apparent. Though he could also just be socially awkward. Hard to tell without diving right into a characters mind.
I can see why it might be a matter of Bee feeling upstaged. Hearing it explained like that makes sense.
Personally, I viewed it as more of Bee getting the "tasting" that Blitz is drinking in excess because of what happened at Ozzie's earlier and that he might start a fight, throw up, or damage property, or something if he isn't at least checked on.
But it _doesn't_ make sense. She _wasn't_ upstaged by Blizo unwillingly - she handed the stage to him _on purpose._ She threw the competition before she even started drinking.
Bee is such an interesting character because you can see her in many perspectives. She really comes off as someone who is trying her best to make loona feel comfortable but at the same time she feels artificial for loona because she’s most likely never interacted with someone who is this comfortable with themselves. I can really resonate with loona on this, especially when it comes to meeting outwardly confident people. It just makes you feel envious of that person.
Oh my goodness. I was wondering how you were going to do Bee in cosplay and I love the result!
yay it was a lot of fun to create this colourful look of spender
Maybe I'm off but I think Bee was actually worried about Blitzø, I think she could tell that he was not going over the top with his drinking for fun but to cope with his issues and that bothers her. Say what you will about the overindulgence she promotes but it seemed like everyone else at that party was doing it to have fun and they could handle it while Blitzø was self destructing.
idk, being an actual party demon my interpretation was that she asked Loona to check on Blitz bc she could sense that he was drinking way too much to the point of it being self destructive and didnt want to be a party to that.
My read was that at worst her overly sweet persona might be a turn off for some people, which is fair. I feel like she’s mostly genuine in the moments we get to see her
I adored Bee and really just saw her as a walking excess of everything- even if the characteristic is one we’d consider likable. At the end of the day, she’s the embodiment of a Deadly Sin. There’s the potential for bad in too much of a good thing, even if it’s not malicious or intentional.
What I think are the key moments with Bee are 1) When Blitzø best her in the drinking contest, she loses gracefully. 2) When he starts to fall, she _immediately_ moves to catch him. And 3) when Blitzø seems self-destructive, she finds someone that cares about him, and suggests they check in with him.
If the support was just an affect, she wouldn't need to move to catch him, and she could easily kick him out (or just eat him, it's hell and she's a sin after all) rather than find someone close to him to check on him.
Also, we know Blitzø was _not_ in a good place emotionally in this episode. When she says his energy tastes off, I'm sure she is speaking the truth.
With Bee when she said she could taste the emotions of people, she was trying to tell Loona that Blitz wasn't okay behind all of his bravado and hyped behaviour. And given what happened before he showed up, that's what allows the viewer to come to that conclusion. She wasn't trying to micromanage, she was genuinely worried about Blitz; that's why she looked worried during the contest, and when he was being carried away.
To be fair to Queen B, Blitzo is not in a good place mentally. This episode takes place immediately after the episode at Ozzy’s so if Queen B isn’t lying about being about to taste the vibe of the room it doesn’t matter if Blitzo isn’t ruining the party for everyone else because she can sense just how messed up he is both mentally and emotionally.
It's fascinating how much people's first reactions to Bee vary. I think she embodies both the hyper-positive party mom and a little bit of the narcissist. (And so folks first impressions are likely driven by their own experiences with people like her. If you've not had negative experiences with people like her then it's very easy to read everything she does generously.) She also mentions being "high off the energy" which probably isn't metaphorical, and I do wonder what she's like when she's not in the middle of a party.
My first impressions were positive -- I've known people like her but not had bad experiences, though they can sometimes be a LOT. But I also tend to be uh... overly trusting/credulous, even if I should know better. (I literally have rote rules for myself about avoiding trusting people who are too charismatic, 'cause if I don't keep those in mind, it's too easy to just... believe everything they say.)
Bees characterization of blitz partying "for the wrong reasons" is spot on though which makes discerning zny malic much less clear cut
If i may, as a demon when she says she can taste the people at her party i think it's to take literally. Blitz was at a really bad place at that moment in the story and perhaps she can magically taste it.
If the scene where Queen Bee told Loona that Blitz was self-destructing, and where she tells Loona off in an honestly pretty nice way considering how much attitude Loona gave her from the beginning, I would agree with your initual analysis of her. But that scene DOES happen, and it shows Queen Bee isn't "just" a narcissistic party animal.
Every time during the episode where a character like her would USUALLY do something bitchy, she doesn't. And when she actually DOES get aggressive, all she does is calling Loona "sour cream" and telling her not to fuck with her.
I think it says a lot that Queen Bee is supposed to be the lowkey stuck-up popular party girl, but that she not only noticed that Blitzø was self-destructing, but that she cared enough to tell Loona about it - and brought Vortex with her to talk to her about her doesn't seem like a coincidence, I think she did that to make Loona more comfortable before talking to her about Blitz - says a lot about how she isn't nearly as selfish or one-track-minded as she comes off BEFORE that scene.
Queen Bee is NOT worried about Blitz taking her crown or limelight, she's Queen Bee, an overlord, some random imp who can outdrink her one night isnt a threat. At all. I'm sorry, but that is such a stretch 😂 Queen Bee's face dropping when "no one is looking" isn't a very good argument cause Vortex is right there... and is making the same worried face.
The only argument I could see with this is that she obviously does care about everyone having fun at the party and openly being worried about Blitz in front of her other party guests would absolutely ruin the party - so obviously she isn't gonna tell him to calm down or whatever while everyone is looking at her. She also does know it isn't her place to do so hence why she's telling Loona about it rather than her going to Blitz herself like I think an actual narcissistic party girl would.
Queen Bee has an inflated ego and is the queen of gluttony - but only someone who would truly put their ego and gluttony above everything else would have ignored the red flags Blitz was displaying. Which she didn't 😊
Would you consider checking out Infinity Train? It’s an excellent psychological kids show that’s on its way to becoming lost media. The central premise is right up your alley, though it’s also the Season 1 mystery, so I won’t elaborate.
Queen B. Is an interesting take. Personally, I do believe she's genuine of her liking to Luna but is oblivious how she used words that may affect Luna. I also believe that Luna felt jealous because she has a crush on Vortex so when she realized that the Queen and Sin of Gluttony is his girlfriend, made her feel more insecure and having traits that she doesn't or wish she did. It's one of the reasons why Luna is hostile towards her. She knew she couldn’t compete with Bee.
her being a bit in the moment and just overly positive seems far more likely based on what we actually know about her character so far, rather than any sort of meanness, fakeness, or manipulation, like the only sin so far that we have seen that has been shown to actually be evil, manipulative, or selfish, is mammon, the others have all so far been shown to be much more relatable and human, not being inherently sinister or evil or anything like that
Some behind the scenes lore is that in addition to being a fox or something her insect part is not a bee it’s a fly, and she’s pretending to be something seen as more positive and authoritative than what she actually is. Visual evidence of this is Bee’s one pair of wings instead of four.
Ooo! It reminds me of Lord of The Flies😅
That would be congruent with the lore surrounding her namesake. His association is flies.
So one of the things I've noticed with Helluva Boss and Hazbin fans is we've gotten drip fed content for years now and that slow release while great to keep hype alive, causes some people to make up their own head canon for how a character is. Once that happens they get really defensive about anything that challenges their head canon of events. Season 2 of Helluva Boss has been full of these sort of things. Striker's later appearances angered some folks because that's not "How Striker would act." Ignoring that we got a single episode where he was only in parts of it during season 1. But since it was over a year til his next appearance his fans built up an image in their heads that clashed with what Season 2 did. I feel that's sort of the case as well with Queen Bee. She's a neat character and voiced by Kesha so everyone is building her up. She's a great character, but just like everyone else in the Hellaverse she's got her flaws and honestly that's what I love about this and Hazbin.
Some people say things that hurts without any ill intent, just saying the first thing that comes to mind, even people with superb sosial skills can slip up under the influence.
In the part when Bee says to Loona to check on Blitzø is because he has a "bad taste". He came to the party heart broken and I think Bee can taste he is in a bad emotional place, full self destroying mode at the party, and that's why she tells Loona to go check on him. Not to stop him, or to take him out, just to check that he's ok.
To me she spoke to Loona the way Stolas spoke to Blitz. She may have not meant anything by it or was thinking she was being playful and welcoming buuut hierarchy makes that come off as condescending.
I don't usually comment on your videos but, this is a good analysis of Queen Bee. I will have to say the part about her expression changing, she just got a bad vibe from Blitz due to Blitz drinking too much. She was concerned about that. Blitz was ruining the vibe of the party and if the vibe is off, it ruins the mood of the party.
I think Loona being on high guard painted Bee in a negative light. She’s not so much giving Regina George mean girl, more Lottie La Bouff from Princess and the Frog. Hyper, privileged, oblivious, grandiose, but overall kind. I read it as genuine concern for Blitz because she and Tex share a Look™️. And she also looks worried and tries to catch Blitz as he’s falling. There’s also merch hinting at the love triangle becoming a throuple, so I think we’ll see more of The Queen Bee of Glu-To-Ny in the future.
Honestly I thought I was crazy about Bee, I was super glad that you had the same opinion as me!
yay
Me and a friend talked about her character and I felt she was off in some way while my friend saw her as nice and cool. And it’s more I. The middle but she defiantly is off and seeing it is nice to know what my subconscious didn’t like about her
@@ianscott2735 exactly! I saw everyone online saying how much they love her but I was like, "she's super fake! Why do everyone love her so much??" Honestly, I am GLAD people agree with me lolol
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She's not fake in the slightest, but sure, lol
@@yaniceescarfulleri9168 Literally nothing about her actions suggests she's fake though, the only way I can see that reading is if you take her solely at face value and assume she's a party girl that only cares about the party. Watch her in the scene where Blitzo starts to wobble, that's not the expression of someone who's fake in their concern that's an immediate reaction, not a face she put on. She's also the first person to reach out to support him.
She has a personality similar to what a lot of fake people who want people to believe they're nice have, but when you watch her actions it's pretty clear its not an act.
13:22 The important thing to note here, though, is that Bee _shared_ her concerned look with Vortex. It’s not just her brooding in a corner by herself, or something like that, she’s clearly communicating with Vortex, saying “Okay, that was possibly concerning behavior, did you pick up on that too?” and Vortex’s answering look confirmed that it wasn’t only Bee who was concerned for Blitzø’s mental health. It had nothing to do with Blitzø taking the spotlight for a moment. Bee was able to drop the mask and show her concern privately _because_ everyone else except Vortex was distracted.
13:47 & 15:24 Yes, the party, overall, is still doing fine. That’s not what Bee and Vortex are concerned about. They’re concerned because Blitzø is obviously in a bad place, mentally (directly after the disaster at Ozzie’s) and that’s he’s drinking and overindulging in an unhealthy and self-destructive way.
14:07 Bee is all about overindulgence in a _fun_ way, in a way that helps people relax and unwind and let loose, but she can tell the difference when it veers into genuinely harmful territory, and that’s when she gets concerned. In the same way that Asmodeus is a bit proponent of consent, Bee definitely seems to be a proponent of not overindulging in a way that would be mentally detrimental.
14:44 Yes, she provided the alcohol for Blitzø, and challenged him to the drinking game, because it was a party and she thought everyone was having fun. When she realized after the drinking game that Blitzø probably wasn’t in a great mental state, that’s when his drinking to excess became concerning.
I do agree with many of your other takes here, like Bee speaking without any sense of social anxiety, and not realizing that some of her comments could come across as mini digs to someone like Loona. She definitely has flaws, I’m not denying that.
However, with what we were presented in the episode, none of Bee’s actions ever came off as insincere, insecure, or particularly controlling, to me. She seems like a genuinely positive person with a lot of confidence and charisma, who likes to have fun but who also wants to make sure everyone else is happy too.
I think in Bee's case, like with Luci and Ozzy, she more embraces the positive sides of the sins they represent. Luci has pride for his subjects (especially after seeing what Charlie does for them). Ozzie prefers that sexual partners both consent for lust to truly be enjoyable. Bee wants the things such as food, fun, and socializing to be enjoyed to their fullest, without going overboard. This is why she says Blitz getting excessively-drunk was leaving a bad taste in her mouth. She literally feeds off emotions as an empath, and when she picks up on something negative like that, it genuinely worries her. Taking things too far can hurt more than the person doing so, it has a considerable effect on others. This is another thing that makes our favorite scremfops hybrid so likeable. The fact she picks up on it, and goes to Loona to have something done, is an extremely-admirable trait.
With Bee, we get a little into Space Whale territory. She is a literal empath who can sense the feelings of others. Even though Blitz looked like he was happy, excited and enjoying the party, she could feel the sadness he was trying to cover up. She wants people to genuinely enjoy themselves, not just use partying as a way to mask pain.
I suspect people's views of QB, more then the other prince of Hells varies wildly based on past experience.
QB is a host of a party. Naturally she's having fun and making sure others are too. She ends up being the one to step up for Blitz.
She even welcomes Luna who shows up to QBs party with a bad attitude. It's not wrong to welcome someone and tell them it's ok to take your time.
Think it's poor patience on my part but people who show up for a social gathering looking to pick fights gets old really really fast.
I've heard Bee referred to as the Rave Mom, that friend that tries to keep a party upbeat, fun and happy for all involved.
You made the right call coming back to Queen Bee, and that costume is fantastic
why thank you = )))
Eek! Can't wait to watch this. Also, I'm very happy how open minded you are and how consistently you listen to your viewers. Making a Queen Bee video is a prime example of that, since I did see a lot of comments on it!
aww i feel so appreciated = ) thank you for noticing this. Thank you for being here and a part of my community.
Girl I been binging all your helluva boss vids, they’re so insightful and interesting! My faves you’ve done are probably Ozzie and fizzy as well as the full moon analysis.
Also I love clicking on each video and seeing your creative cosplays!
Glad you like them!
You kinda skipped over the hard when she was worried when Blitzø chugged down that whole barrel of her specially made alcohol
I interpreted it as you looking at Queen B through Loona's perspective also she has a supernatural ability to feel people's vibe and Blitz was going through stuff
when discussing her being concerned about blitz being a fear of losing the lime light, I think the one thing you're missing though that kinda takes it out of the typical analysis is bee is a magical being able to literally taste blitz's vibe.
Happy to see you doing a video on this character she is definitely a queen bee type. Great cosplay as always by the way.
seems most likely that any meanness is likely her being unaware, especially since we have not seen enough of her to suggest that her actions were not at least well intentioned, we just don't know the character that well yet