@@straneas3099 we don't know that but what we do know is lucifer was a being far above adam at the time there were many reasons they could have left adam
My Step-Grandfather blames his Narcissistic traits due to brain damage. As for my estranged Biological Dad, I’d probably have to look more into his past. 🤔 The Nazis gang beating up Great-Grandma when she was pregnant with him; you can see a scar on his forehead on the shape of a butt of a gun to this very day.
@@straneas3099 i mean, in the eyes of a narcissist, even if it's their fault that the people in their lives leave. they still consider it "abandonment"
One of my favorite small details with Adam is when Sera tells him that he messed up with keeping things under control and Lucifer / Charlie is involved, he responds with “What do you want from me? I’m just one guy.” The guy constantly acts and talks like he’s the best person in existence and is capable of anything, but when he’s confronted with a mistake he made, he can’t accept it and shifts the blame because “How can I be wrong” He’s such an irritating character and I love it
I hate that they gave him such a charismatic voice actor XD I went into the show assuming I'd find Lucifer hot and then I finished it and was like "...I need a priest" Hell Is Forever ruined me, I demand compensation XD
@@XaurianQueen If it helps, you can still get all the charisma of Alex Brightman in a much more acceptable package in the form of Sir Pentious. He's honestly a sweet bean IRL too, so that might also give you away to appreciate his charisma without having to justify liking Adam...
Adam is fascinating. Up front: he's a narcissist and a terrible person. He's destructive, abrasive, and disrespectful. But putting him into context: he's had 5000 years to develop narcissistic personality traits. Or at least, develop them into the rancid ones we see now. As the first man, he was made to be perfect and a match set. He didn't marry Lilith because they met in a coffee shop and she fell for him or something. They were made for each other, and she left that relationship. The kind of ego damage that could do is unimaginable. Then, after he clearly didn't pursue or otherwise attempt to inflict retribution upon Lilith, he was given a new wife made from his own flesh. Lilith was free to walk the earth and exist unmarred. And yet she and Lucifer (who lets be real, he was an angel and didn't have a drop of malice in him), connvinced Eve to partake of the fruit of knowledge. This Ruined Adam's life, again. Clearly at some point Eve left Adam too, and Lilith was again at the center of it all. Then his Own children became sinners with the free will they were granted by knowledge. This guy's life was ruined twice by the person he was Made to be with and his descendants fell to evil as well. No wonder he's got such ego problems. No wonder he's chomping at the bit to get rid of sinners. No wonder his slightly condescending respect for Vaggi turned to Vitriol when he brought up the fact that she was Lying to her partner. Adam is such an interesting character and I can't wait to see more of him. If Sirpentious can rise, then Adam definitely fell. He died ranting about how his own descendants should be worshipping him
I've heard people speculate Adam never ate the fruit of knowledge so he basically has the mindset of a 3 year old, which is basically that of a narcissist.
Well he definitely did eat it in the og story but this show obviously isn’t trying to be completely accurate. So it could be the case! Although, if he never took the fruit then he would be perfect and sinless right? i don’t see that lol
@@GolAcheron-fc4ugif you're knowledgeless of sin even while they exist then you're free from it. Had this discussion with my old priest at 13, I then asked if it would not be better to stop teaching what sins and Christianity is and he said that I ask too many questions.
It also explains how tf he’s in Heaven even though he very clearly doesn’t belong there. You can’t sin if you don’t even know what “wrong” is. He even asks “what’s the big deal?” when he slips up about the exterminations, as if he didn’t understand what made it bad.
@@GolAcheron-fc4ug I'm not sure since I heard the reason we have the name "Adam's Apple" for guys is because Adam TRIED to eat the apple but apparently is so lame he can't even eat a piece of fruit right and it got stuck in his throat. So they're saying he TECHNICALLY never ate it but gained knowledge anyway, and was still cursed. And being sinless doesn't mean being perfect. It just means you don't increase your sin counter because of your innocence. Animals are considered sinless but they can do horrible horrible things. but they aren't held accountable for it since they don't know any better. They live in nature and nature doesn't give AF.
@@trutwhut6550 Hate it when they do that. Curiosity in children should be encouraged, not shunned, how else are they supposed to learn? Of course, a large part of religion revolves around keeping people subservient and unquestioning, so it's no wonder they do that. And then they have the gall to question why society is turning more and more secular.
What amazes me is that he both got into Heaven and STAYS in Heaven while going out of his way to demonstrate EVERY one of the Seven Deadly Sins in his EVERY appearance.
I think he's aware of it on some level too, cuz when Charlie and Emily sing "if angels can do whatever and remain in the sky", it cuts to him and Lute for just a moment. Long enough to see his reaction
If Adam never ate the apple, as some have speculated, then he would literally be incapable of sin no matter what he did. So he would be able lie, cheat, steal, murder, commit adultery, etc. and none of that would count as sins against him.
Adam is 100% a narrisist! But I also wonder if he's a candidate for autophobia, or some other fear of being alone. Seems like his lowest points are when he's either alone or abandoned. Lilith, Eve, ... and when he smiles at Lute at the end, he just looks relieved that someone is there for him.
One observation I made was that from his reveal to the moment of his defeat Adam always ALWAYS wore his mask. Lute removed hers, but Adam always kept his on, and when it got damaged and came off, he was so, plain looking. He used that mask to make himself look more threatening than he really is.
I think narcissists do feel shame, the problem is, is that they refuse to allow themselves to feel guilt, feel those things in a healthy way so that they can take accountability for their actions.
@@samuel10125I hope that she notices how much the audience loves Pentious, they'll give him more screen time or a decent role in the next season. It doesn't need to be the biggest one, but similar to this season
@@phantoistI could be wrong, but actually I think what Viv said was that he *initially* was going to have a much smaller role, but they gave him more time because she/ they had fun with him.
Adam is the first human. He didn’t have a mother, and his “father” wasn’t the sort who a mortal could particularly relate to. He didn’t get any proper instruction on what proper human social behavior was and his life after the expulsion from Eden wasn’t pleasant. Moreover he is “cursed” and he probably refuses to take any of the blame for it. He’s carrying a whole bunch of emotional baggage with no one to help him deal with it or manage it properly. It does make one wonder whether Adam is “inevitable” in that sort of situation. What comes to mind with Adam is a kid from “Lord of the Flies” who actually survived to adulthood.
Additionally, no one seems to really take into account that here he was, the first man, trying his best with no instruction... and then his first wife decides to betray him with a fallen angel. And then later that same fallen angel comes along, tempts his second wife with the forbidden fruit of knowledge and messes things up for Adam yet again. Makes me think of what Georgia says at 1:35, the stunted sense of humor and personal growth due to psychological injury. So, while the character of Adam is a jerk and a good villain we love to hate, everyone seems quick to dismiss Lucifer's role in making Adam who he is. Or at least, with the information we have on the characters, that's my take. Might be we get a peek and turns out Adam has always been this shallow. I hope not, I'd prefer a bit of depth to his character, but that remains to be seen
When Lucifer announced to Adam "I'm gonna F you" everyone thought that was a mistake. But Adam was there for a fight so "I'm gonna F you up" that wouldn't have gotten through to him. And we can see just how rattled Adam was at the thought Lucifer was gonna bend him over.
His expression was still absolutely golden after that announcement. Probably one of the few things that would actually legit unsettle him, or throw him off his game (if only for a moment).
One important thing I noticed that you didn't really touch on: When he's lying there, bleeding out, we see Adam give his first genuine, heartfelt smile of the whole show, when he sees that Lute is actually upset about his death. He finally gets to see that there's somebody who actually cares about him and is sad to see him go, so in his last moments, he's finally actually happy and not just putting on a facade and amusing himself by belittling others.
The relationship between Adam and Lute fascinates me. Even though he talks down to her like he does to everyone else, I get the impression that she was his only friend. She hangs out with him outside of work, and she seemed genuinely distraught at his death. Also the peaceful smile he gives as he looks up at her dying makes it seem like he had some genuine affection for her. Lute is going to be a real problem with Adam's authority, but greater competency and aggression.
Well technically he did show acknowledgement to lute with respect with how many she killed and impressing him. It's like he gives respect when she is the hypeman type for his ego.
@@alexk7880 Not to mention he does also listen to her when he needs to. Like when Lute shut him up and reminded him that other angels can't know about the extermination. It shows that Adam atleast has some mutual respect for Lute.
Also, while Lucifer was mocking him and talking about Lilith and Eve, Adam definitely felt humiliated. His huge ego was shaken knowing that "the most hated being in all of creation" managed to take both of his wives.
I honestly just think he hates Lucifer to his very core. After leaving Eden, Adam was punished by God to live an agonizingly long life and struggle every single year of it. He lived to be over 930 years old. That’s not to mention that Lucifer damned his children. Yeah, I think this is just pure, unadulterated hatred lol
I don’t think Adam was humiliated. If you see the ending he knew where Lilith was for the past 7 years. He knows Lilith and Lucifer got a divorce. And if you look closely he didn’t care when Lucifer brought up Lilith. The one he got angry was when Lucifer brought up Eve. And until I know her side of the story I doubt what Lucifer said was true.
@@moondivine2288everyone says they got a divorce...who stated that. There were physically separated for 7 years that may not even be the relationship separation she was just gone..I think we are all assuming too much about that
@@RyuKaguya Charlie stated she hasn’t spoken to her dad since her parents separated, which could be ambiguous and Lucifer still wears his wedding ring. It is prove he still loves his wife and is in denial. But it also shows Charlie still had contact with her mom before she disappeared. Though i would need to know Lilith’s feelings on the matter. She is only shown briefly at the end. And because we see her chilling in heaven I think it’s more than Physical separation. Maybe season 2 will give us more details of their separation/ divorce.
@@moondivine2288I agree. Not enough people are talking about or asking where Eve fits in to all of this and what her relationship with Adam is. I just can't help but wonder where is she? I wanna know so bad!
For a character that I thought would be one-note from his first appearance, Adam genuinely turned into one of the most interesting (and funniest) characters on the show. I never would have imagined that his death would have such a strong impact on me. From the way Lute was desperately crying out in anguish to him, begging him to stay with her, to Adam using the last of his strength to give a reassuring/grateful smile to the one person who's never abandoned him, it surprisingly got me choked up a bit. Couldn't help but recall this Charlie quote from the pilot: "Look...every single one of you has something good deep down inside...I know you do." I really hope they bring Adam back as a fallen angel in Hell for Season 2. There's so much story potential with him slowly coming to grips with the knowledge that he had become every bit as bad (maybe even more so) as the people he so joyfully executed year after year, then making a genuine effort to change his ways to actually earn a spot in Heaven this time around.
Well from what is implied Adam DID earn his spot in heaven, I mean look at seras face when Pentious ascends, clearly even the seraphim don’t have input on who ends up in heaven or hell. And considering we don’t have confirmation of gods existence in the hazbin verse, it’s possible it’s an automatic process. It’s actually infinitely more sad if Adam *was* worthy of heaven, but due to his time alone and left to stir in his negative emotions with angels that either refuse to correct or straight up encourage his bad habits. And then there’s Adam being the first human soul in heaven, which implies Abel didn’t make it to heaven, which also suggest none of his other kids did either. That much time alone on top of all of the other things that happened is a pretty good recipe to turn a good person into the Adam we see in the show
Two interesting things: 1. Lute saying "angels dont make mistakes" when Vaggie is, ineed, an angel that made a "mistake" 2. Adam digs at Vaggie's kill count when threatening to reveal her identity to Charlie, but when Charlie finds out, her concern is, instead, "you thought you couldn't trust me?"
Maybe it's a bit of logical gymnastics? Vaggie made a mistake and was cast down, therefore she is no longer an angel, so angels don't make mistakes? It's not how I see it, but if she cast Vaggie away that drastically it may be how she sees things?
I’m very curious about Lute after Adam’s death. Not only is she a “true believer” to the lies Heaven told, but she also, wether it be romantic or in the way a cult member worships their leader, she clearly LOVED Adam.
What lies did Heaven tell Lute? I mean within the context of this show. Because neither Adam nor Sera hid anything from her. No one outside of the exorcists knew about extermination, other than Sera.
Did she really worship him though? Her scene with Lilith appears to say otherwise. I think she may have pushed him into a situation where he would die because of the deal she made with Lilith. I'm thinking she got Lilith into heaven as payment for Lilith giving her a way to get rid of Adam.
@@edwinnieves7023 ..dude, she was literally almost crying over him. And that.. amazingly gentle smile he gave her just before passing? They *definitely* had something going on.
@@edwinnieves7023I think that was more out of anger for both having lost the fight and having lost Adam. She nearly cried when Adam died, so she took her anger on the one she could get her anger too, Lilith
I think that final smile Adam gave Lute is really interesting. It’s like he was grateful she was there for him in his final moments, and gratitude is the farthest thing from narcissism. Often, impending death can make a person realize the truth about themselves and others, which can cause sudden and drastic changes in behavior. Maybe in the brief moments after getting stabbed, Adam realized who he was as a person, and was thankful for Lute for genuinely caring about him regardless.
Could be that he felt validated by someone giving him attention during his final moments. One of narcissists biggest fears is to be alone. He may have been happy that he wasn't alone when he died
Well if we go off the belief that both of Adam’s wives leaving him, Lute’s statement of “stay with me” is going to be something he wanted to hear for a long time. Because for once he had someone that wanted to stay with him. Rather than someone that is disloyal and abandons you *cough* Lilith *cough*.
She was also the first woman to actually stay with him and not leave him for someone else, he lost two people to the same guy, the first time he was rejected, which would hurt but wouldn’t be too bad but then his wife who was very literally made for him betrayed him by getting them both kicked out of paradise and cheated on him with the same guy he was rejected in favor of, so he was grateful that he had someone with him in his last moments
The interesting question to ask is…did ADAM eat the Apple? If he never ate the Apple of knoledge, he never gained the ability to Insight. So no wonder he doesn’t recognize his own flaws.
I love that you continually address the traumatized part of NPD and narcissism. There’s a very vulnerable core in the middle of all of them. Thank you so much for helping to stop the dehumanization of NPD
I thought it was interesting that Adam tries to snipe Lucifer with a statement of truth intended to crush his ego - "You're the most hated being in all of creation" - because that's the kind of statement that, if true, would crush ADAM's own ego. Not realizing that Lucifer cares about something (and someone) else "more than anything" outside of himself: - his daughter and her well-being. So Lucifer is able to brush it off with ease.
You know now that I think about it it’s interesting Adam has more of an ego than Lucifer who is the demon embodiment of *pride* which actually really telling because you’d think Lucifer would be the biggest egotist in the universe
I think in the show unlike Eve Adam never ate the fruit of knowledge making him incapable of telling the difference between good and evil making him pure for heaven
That’s not exactly what a superiority complex is, he does have a superiority complex, but that’s him over exaggerating to cover his inferiorities, I mean he WEARS A MASK 24/7, he projects confidence to fool others and himself
@@boxman7044 You are missing the bigger picture. Adam is always wearing a war mask. Lute is always wearing her war uniform. They’re constantly in a state of war against Lucifer and Lilith.
I definitely see that injury with Adam with the fact both his wives went against him. Lilith, the one made for him, rejected him. Then when Eve came around she chose the apple and damned the world, somewhat choosing that over Adam. Adam was probably wondering why he wasn't good enough, why no one would stick around, why they didnt want him. And the fact his wife and her new boyfriend ruined his second wife would be some critical emotional damage and trauma and pain. Now does this excuse his behavior? No! But it makes sense why he'd cling to such a egotistical persona, this narcissistic shell to soothe the deep wound of abandonment and worthlessness. The man needs therapy and a decent role model. Considering he had no to talk to or give him guidance and was instead pacified by being elevated to an angel general in heaven, he's never had a chance to be corrected and consoled over what's going on with him. Heaven obviously thought he was great otherwise they wouldn't be letting him get away with everything he does. They are showing him the adoration and praise he wanted his whole life, but he keeps wanting more of it and it won't work because it won't fill that hole left by that trauma until he learns how to address it
THIS!! I want him to have a redemption arc as a Sinner SO BAD for this reason!! He needs someone to relate to and be able to start understanding that what he believed was wrong and start facing all of his buried issues and abandonment problems! There is still so much his character can offer and I really hope they decide to do this with season 2, but I'm also prepared to accept that they may not go this route.
Something I noticed on a rewatch. You bring up traumatic childhoods and abandonment issues a few times, and while Adam never had a childhood, you’re very correct in that he absolutely does have abandonment issues and a manufactured sense of entitlement and self-importance: in just about every version of the Judeo-Christian creation myth, he got to name everything on Earth, and his entire reason for wanting a wife is “I’m lonely.” Add his never really going through any cognitive development at all with his first wife walking out on him and it’s no wonder he’s a possessive manbaby incapable of acknowledging when he’s ever done anything wrong. He still fascinates me, though 💛
my dad has diagnosed narcissistic personality disorder. He has shortcomings with this, but it's hard to live with someone for 20 years, whom i would not consider even approaching abusive, with this type of unconfronted personality disorder, without humanizing that part of them. Adam is a cartoonish depiction of this, but in his more toned down moments, it was genuinely cathartic to see how much i saw of my dad in him. Again, that's not to say my dad is a bad guy - growing up, the reason i'm not scared of bugs and pest animals is that when we saw them, he would always catch them and let me look at them. he explained the parts of their bodies, how to handle them safely, and even let me hold a corn snake he found in the garden at about age 10 when he deemed me to be ready. He was always a great father to me growing up, but unfortunately his strong need for some level of control, while not as all encompassing as it is in stronger cases, is not conducive to me having a very close relationship to him as an adult. He can light up a room with the best stories and the most interesting facts he's learned from science and history books - as long as everyone in that room either agrees with his conclusions, or realizes that their opinion doesn't matter. Anyway, this is a fantastic video! I love how you take care in all of your videos to make it very clear that there is no "evil" disorder, only bad ways of coping (or not coping). I already knew this about you, but having a clinical narcissist in my life who I respect and love, I have to admit I was a bit nervous about this one.
Lute is IMO an enabler. At least I am 99% sure that's the vibe they were going for. You know that mom whose son is a spoiled brat but she still does everything for him (and she is insanely proud of him)? That's TOTALLY the vibe they were going for with Lute IMO. She is so infatuated with Adam and she is horrible herself, so Adam is like a proxy. Adam can do no wrong in her eyes and she will always stand by him, in fact the more of a douche he is the happier she probably is. They are so insanely toxic, yet at the same time IMO kind of endearing and romantic in their toxicity. They are unabashedly evil, and they stick for each other ALL THE TIME, which TO ME is endearing in a way. They literally cared for each other TO THE END, which we don't see a lot in real life. I think there is a reason why characters like Bonnie and Clyde are so popular, there is something romantic about two people dying together and going out in a blaze of glory. I saw a picture that I think one of the animators made of Lute and Adam and it summed them up perfectly for me. It's a little picture of Adam and Lute at a fastfood place and Lute is screaming at the staff that they got Adams order wrong and Adam just has this pouty face like a spoiled kid, and that picture REALLY summed up their relationship IMO. Lute is like an overprotective, over supportive "girlboss" wife who likes fighting and so she likes Adam because Adam also likes fighting. They basically are bullies and they know it, they love it, and they aren't afraid of starting shit. I love em I can't lie. She is always standing with a menacing grin, she clearly is a sadist who takes much pleasure in making her "prey" squirm, and she is clearly proud of Adams ability to cause fear as well.
What about the smile that grew on his face when Lute rushed to him at the end? It seemed very genuine. Was it the final break in his bravado- that he was surprised and happy to have someone who genuinely cares to be by him at his end? With his previous actions in mind, it was something I didn’t expect from Adam.
Narcissists are afraid of being alone. And what's scarier than being alone during your dying moments? Lute being there probably fed into his narcissism because after everything, and how badly he treats others, someone was there to see him pass.
@@edwinnieves7023 I genuinely think they cared for each other. Comments like yours lack nuance IMO. You call someone a narcissist then basically cancel them from ANY humanity. Just because a character has narcissistic traits doesn't mean EVERYTHING they do is based on that lol. He was a douche, but it seems obvious he cared for Lute and Lute cared for him.
@@hhjhj393 well said. even though narcissists have low levels of empathy and can treat others' with disrespect, it doesn't mean they can't form connections with other people or even care for others and have humanity within them. narcissistic personality disorder is a spectrum just like antisocial personality disorder and others like it.
I still find it interessting that, when Lute turns him around and he sees in his final moments that she doesn’t want him to die and actually cares, he smiles.
I would actually like for you to do something with the moment with Lute, a devotee but actually is able to reign him in, almost his entire life, Adam has been defined by his relationships with women. Adam and Eve, Adam and lilith Adam and Seraphim Adam and Lute. I want you to dissect the relationships he has with women and think about how his narcissism is just a foil around his insecurity. Everything about Adam screams the broken boy, that had no figures of positivity in his life, because if the world's just gonna being you down, why should he care about it. Just some ramblings, because you can totally see it better from A Barbie Ken situation.
His relationship with women is so interesting! Because, he is presented as mysoginistic, in the way he talks about the "babes", so you'll think he wouldn't accept being under a woman (Seraphim), or that he'll ridicule his underlings (The Exorcists) and wouldn't take advise from his 2nd in Command (Lute). Despite what he communicates verbally, he seems to respect them all. His relationship with Lute is the most interesting of all, because he appears to really value her as a friend. I'll love to see more of them :)
I really enjoy that you educate people on narcissism. Because people really throw that word around a lot nowadays and really demonize narcissists. However, people with NPD do experience a degree of suffering from their disorder and it does often stem from low self esteem
When you were talking about Vaggie's name ("is she named after what I think she's named after?") And of course it would be because of Adam lol! That's one of the sweetest things about Sir Pentious. During the final-episode battle, he calls her "Vagatha." He just genuinely assumed that her name was short for a longer version of something beginning with those same letters -- it didn't even occur to him that it could be short for anything else haha!
It worked very well as a character moment, but also a meta one for the fandom. Before the series fans did think Vaggie was short for Vagatha. I was certain it was because this was said officially somewhere by Viv, but now I'm wondering whether it was changed, or was always something unofficial that people state as fact enough times we just assumed it was canon.
love adam. he’s so awful but i think he has sooo much potential bro. don’t rlly even think he has a moral compass ?? like. naturally. it never says whether or not he did partake of the apple but assuming he didn’t, it kinda makes sense he is the way he is. also i think the “rebellious rockstar” vibe he’s got is veryyy interesting. hope he comes back season 2 if the theories of him respawning as a sinner come true
Another great cosplay, those wings are so beautiful. It's amazing how much use you ended up getting out of them. Also, I appreciate the way you describe narcissism and don't demonize it. Lots of people throw the term around without realizing how those who have it often suffer.
@@GeorgiaDowHi, how are you? I want to point out that when Adam accidentally revealed to the angelic court about the Exterminations, Lute’s smile was proud and almost twisted while Adam’s was more nervous like a child was caught doing something they were not supposed to do
One part that might have been good to talk about is when he’s talking to Sera in court about how he got to heaven and chuckles nervously like he’s looking for a “Hell yeah Adam your the man that’s why you’re in heaven” but only gets a half answer of “well he was the first in heaven” that nervousness when talking to someone who in his mind is above him to only shrug off his right to heaven and his righteousness and that’s one of the only times we see him doubt himself and his place in heaven.
I really loved seeing Adam’s blood as gold. It kinda healed some very deep part of me because my dad has been clinically diagnosed as having NPD and he used to control my mom via her finances, which he actually called “golden handcuffs”. So seeing Adam bleed gold was so satisfying for the child in me. Quick side note, my dad was verbally, emotionally, and smexually abusive to me and I haven’t seen him in 8 years; I’m safe now, I’ve gone through lots of therapy. But it was still satisfying.
I was beyond shocked when Charlie met Adam for the first time. Hazbin Hotel really took all my expectations and then said "Nah, we're doing it OUR way"
Someone pointed out that when he loses control, his mask and is offered *mercy* of all things He is in panic mode He is erratic. Shaking, rambling, screaming, and trying to look intimidating while being absolutely terrified
My theory is that he’s so insecure about himself that he hides himself behind his mask in order to feel more secure. But that’s just a theory, a game theory XD
@@karlesiaHonestly that would so good for many reason. One it will act as a way to let him redeem or taste hell firsthand. While also making Lute have a hard time by questioning her belief if she is ever send to kill sinner and find Adam.
It's amazing how, every time I see a video or post talking about narcistic personality disorder, I'm reminded of my old college roommate and one of my former best friends. He once told me that he only makes friends with people that he thinks he can take in a fight. He saw relationships and sex as his way of establishing a hierarchy. I had sex for the first time in college and he made sure to tell me that the girl I was with also texted him and they would have "totally hooked up by now" if he hadn't been in a relationship. A relationship that he was CONSTANTLY bragging about to everyone around him, including strangers. Then when he broke up with his girlfriend he assumed he'd finally be able to do all the hooking up that he missed out on...only to find no one wanted to do that with him. I started dating a girl that was one of the people he figured he'd easily be able to hook up with and he couldn't handle it. In his eyes I was now above him in the hierarchy. So he went to her and told her lies about me that she knew would hit on a lot of her insecurities and past traumas. While she and I fought he texted her saying "I hope you two can work things out." We broke up because of the fight and the two of them started dating. But I got the hell out of the house that we were living in together. I didn't want to live in a house with an emotionally manipulative bastard who threatened physical violence against me. And I think he was completely thrown through a loop because he saw me as under his thumb. I've heard from stories of mutual friends that he started treating more people openly as tools and more of his friends started leaving him. I think I was the first person to stand up to him/cut him out of their life and he did not take it well.
I feel the very last moment between Adam and Lute is important. He is dying, facedown, in utter disgrace, but at his lowest low, the one person that could be considered his friend, possibly the only on who could reign him in and he would listen to in earnest, shows a display of absolute sadness at his fading, and I feel that moment of genuine validation and appreciation for who he was is the only moment he cared about someone more than himself. But that's perhaps a romanticized read of the moment. Maybe Lute's mourning was not validation of his self-worth as someone to be cared about, but worshipped. I sincerely hope we see him return as a demon.
The brilliant part of this show, is that Adam and Charlie are perfect foils of each other as Character Archetypes. Charlie is the super feeler/empath, and Adam is the Narsacist that only cares about himself, and lacks any empathy at all
OK this is my theory for the next season: We follow Adam as he goes to the five stages of grief as he realizes that he’s in hell. So he goes to Charlie to “become friends” and “to repent” as a joke. but ultimately does get closer to her and the other residents.
@@superv5006 His angelic powers may not equate to what Angelic Steel does, which is what the Exorcist Weapons were made out of and why they always used them in the Exterminations. Even Adam has an Angelic Steel-made Axe. I doubt his angelic powers were enough to vaporize Pentious, which is likely why he ended up getting redeemed. That's just what I gleaned from it tho.
@@DarklightNamari well, to begin with, he dont actually have angelic steel axe, he literally creates it with his light magic during the fight. Alastor said he almost died wounded by it, and all characters thought that Pentious died, which wouldnt make sence for them to think if it wouldnt be same as angelic steel, since otherwise both of them would just regenerate after couple days.
I find interesting how Adam never mistreat or disrespect Lute and the other exorcists iirc (ok he does it once in episode 8). Lute even enjoys dancing along with him, fist bumping and all. He seems like a good "boss" since she doesn't sigh or hate her job, like "I have to endure this every day", she doesn't feel like she needs to clean up after him, she's actively participating and validating him. The exorcists feel like frat boys in a way. He also perceives anyone in Heaven in a much better light than anyone in Hell, because he sees the world in black and white like state in the song.
A lot of people are theorizing that Adam will come back as a Sinner in Season 2 of Hazbin. I think that this could give him the chance of an actual redemption arc. I would love to see how you could unpack what growth in a Narcissist would actually look like. The big crisis as I see it is- Accepting that he was wrong. That’s a big self-identity AND worldview problem. 1) Self-Identity: First He'll “good” and “evil” are not inherent, immutable traits. You spoke about a Narcissistic Injury. How can you get a Narcissist to de-identify with "good-person" "saint" as that narcissistic armor and get to the core of his emotional injuries (re-literal absent-father and loss of his partner). I would love to him actually have someone he cares about stick by him after he's fallen. Not in an enabling way, but in a 'I think you're worth-it' way. 2) World view: Then he'll need to accept: The system that elevated you did so for its own preservation, not (entirely) because of your merit. He wasn't a great or particularly adept leader. He was just the best idiot at the time to throw at the problem. What does that say about the rest of heaven? He was complicit in a great wrong? Does he even have the psychological fortitude to address? I've seen both of these psychological hurtles trip a lot of people up in real life, and destroy otherwise well-written characters. The only other media I’ve encountered that ACTUALLY tackles this in a satisfactory manner is 'The Good Place'. And even then I have yet to see it tackled with someone like Adam all the way through in satisfactory way. My big bet is that Sera will end up being the Final villain. She's already shown a willingness to do whatever is necessary to maintain the status quo, and the status quo is exactly what Charlie is trying to dismantle. I'm really truly hoping that Adam gets an ACTUAL, IN DEPTH, REDEMPTION ARC, throughout the season. The only thing in the way of that for him is a catalyst. What could possibly make a narcissist WANT to change? Truly want to change. To be vulnerable and practice feeling empathy? I would love to hear more of your thoughts on this. PS- I've just subscribed to your nebula channel. As a professional animator who's a bit of a psychology nerd it's great to hear your analysis. Keep going!!!
i think a thing to note is that empathy =/= compassion i have very low empathy due to autism but i still care about others and try to do whats best for them.
Adam is a pretty interesting character when you look deeper into his personality and backstory. It’s obvious to note that his brash and egotistic attitude stems from him never having any role models to teach him how to be a decent person, but I feel like it could also be a mask he wears to hide his insecurities and trust issues. Looking through his pov, he was betrayed by both his wives (Lilith straight up hated and ran away from him, while Eve ate the apple). Obviously they weren’t the ones at fault here and were just trying to get away from Adam’s awful treatment of them. But because he was never taught empathy and had already ascended to heaven, Adam never got to reflect on his actions and realize that HE was the problem. To cope with his hurt, he wears his title as “first man” to an extreme degree while still retaining his bitterness towards women because of the memories of his wives. He really does embody toxic masculinity. I also imagine the reason why he hated Charlie so much was because she’s the daughter of Lucifer and Lilith, the two people he hates the most. To him, Charlie is a constant reminder of the family/legacy he could have had with Lilith and everything he lost to Lucifer (doesn’t help that she looks exactly like him).
Lucifer taunting Adam about Lilith and Eve made him go absolutely berserk, that rings as his deepest trauma being directly stabbed, and right before he's put down.
Loved that Adam smiles when he saw Lute before he dies... It like hes happy theres someone beside him before he dies... Both of his wives left him but theres someone beside him one last time.
Great analysis of one of my favorite Hazbin characters! I honestly hope Adam returns and gets a redemption arc within the hotel. Someone like Adam would be too much fun to simply kill off and never see again. Also, Adam being the first man and having to watch his descendants slip into evil would add depth to his motivation as an antagonist.
Im really REALLY sad we didn’t see some analysis of him and Lutes Relationship. Its oddly wholesome how they are oddly in sync they are. Hopefully if there’s a Lute video we explore his more sympathetic side because I am positive it does exist. The way he smiled at Lite before he died I think hinted at a part of him capable of love but his ego and narcissism really holds that back. If a Lute video happens I hope we get that explored.
I would like a video on Lute. Her and Adam's dynamics was really interesting. Even in his final moments when Lute called him by his name, Adam smiled. It makes me wonder what his final thoughts were.
I think Adam has a partly bruised ego from Lucifer "stealing" Lilith and it probably didn't help Eve so willingly listened to Lucifer, further damaging his ego. Perhaps this is was the spark that caused Adams incredible amounts of narcissistism. And also why Lucifer got under Adams skin significantly more than Alastor, too the point of literally tearing the hotel in half. Edit: i remember Lilith's name (Perhaps it's also why Adam has such a flattering way of treating the ladies)
I love that you brought up the swearing cause i awlays found that ironic about Adam. This dude swore more in a single sentence than any drmon in hell did in a single conversation. Also i truly believe the narcissistic wound your talking about is Eve taking the fruit and being the root of all evil, this wound could have very well been deepened when his children followed suit (I don't think Caine and Abel exist in Hazbin Hotel but it eould be interesting if they did)
Narcissism often comes with an intimate understanding of power dynamics. Because they want to be at the top at all times. They understand the concept of consequences. And are capable of reining themselves in When it would harm them.
You should do a therapist analysis on Lute. Not only is she an interesting character, but there is clearly something there to analyze. I hope you do soon! Can't wait for more Therapizing Hazbin episodes!
A moment I think would be worth noting is when Vaggie reads his list of behaviors on how to get to heaven and questions it. Adam, who is first sure of himself that those are the reasons he got there himself, then looks up at Sera with doubt for reassurance. For some reason, that cene really stuck out to me. It's probably one of the only times Adam seems actually genuine. I could be looking too much into it though
I wonder how much it would tick Adam off if he learned that at least one church on Earth refers the Original Sin as The Fall of Adam. Jokes aside, a remarkable look into his psyche. Although it may be a tad tricky to consider a few things like how he started life as a grown man without parents. Also yes. Please. Do one for our precious snake boi. He deserves all the attention and love that Adam believes himself to have.
One little scene that really stood out to me was when Lute had her brief solo during "You didn't know". If you look in the background Adam was serving as her hype-man just as enthusiastically as she did for him during "Hell is Forever". Given Adam's clear need to be the center of attention I thought it was interesting that he so willing and enthusiastically played second fiddle to Lute even if it was for a very short time, that is just not something I would expect from a narcissist like Adam. Then as he lays dying, he give Lute what seems to be a genuinely kind smile as if he was trying to comfort her in his final moments which again is not something I would expect from a narcissist. There are three things I would like to know about Adam. The first is if he was always like what we see in the show or did becoming the first human soul in Heaven help feed his ego until it spun out of control? The second is how did the end of his marriage to Lilith look like from his perspective? Keep in mind that book Charlie read from was an account from Lucifer and Lilith's perspective and while I do not believe either of them did anything wrong, nor do I have any reason to believe they were lying, that is still their version of events and people tend to remember things in the light most favorable to themselves and the worst possible light for anyone they do not like. Put another way, imagine if the person who hates you the most wrote a book, would you expect it to paint you in a positive light? The third thing I would like to know is what happened to his marriage with Eve and how did that affect Adam? To be clear, I do not think the answers of any of these questions would engender much sympathy from me and even if they did, they can not excuse his actions and behaviors. However, I do think they could offer some insight to understanding Adam. On another note, I am more than a little worried that Georgia is thinking about doing a video on Niffty because when a character voiced by Keith David says "You don't want to know" I am inclined to believe them. I will still watch it of course as well as any video covering Huskar or Sir Pentious. Another character that might be worth a short video on his Sera, sure she had less than 5 minutes on screen but they packed a lot of character into that brief screen-time and quite a few people seemed to have missed that her motivations were quite different from Adam's
You really should have included the scene where Lute rushed towards dying Adam. I know, it is video about persona analysis rather than scene analysis, but I think it was great example of narcissistic person revealing their damaged side that they hide behind the shell of self-appraisal. In all scenes we get the expression of Adam being pretty much aggressive towards everyone around him in order to assert the dominance, but at that very last scene he gave one single, genuine and gentle smile. Happiness, gratitude.. love? Whatever that emotion was, it's safe to say, that in those last seconds we saw the real Adam, without the grip of the narcissistic mask, revealing himself to the most reliable person he had in his life - Lute. Overall, nice video and cosplay! Waiting for the Husker breakup
I just wanted to say that I really appreciate that you didn't only focus on the negative aspects of narcissism in this video. I was born into a family with a narcissistic father who did end up being abusive, but I feel as though that's become the stereotype of the condition at this point and I think it is very important to remind people that just because you have a personality disorder, that doesn't automatically make you a bad person, and there are often reasons behind the behavior. I have a lot of respect for you as this is something that I see overlooked in a lot of videos dealing with the topic.
You should do his enabler, Sera too. At least enabling is the vibe I get from their interactions. He continues to be narcissistic, even in front of the entire court, and even openly disobeys her, yet she does nothing and remains complicit.
he is built from scratch to be the grown up version of the teen bully. he's built di be hated but at the same time admired. in the end we rightully hate him, but the one line where he screams "ATTAAAAAACK!" with the organs in the background, makes his character worthy.
Not a word about his actual final moment? Smiling at the one woman who was by his side after everything? After he got taunted about how all the people supposed to love him abandoned him, and by the same fallen angel who took them both away in the first place?
One of my favorite little moments is in Adam and Charlie's first meeting and he says: "I LOVE putting my name on sh**," that it's a nod to the story that God put him in charge of naming every animal. As a lifelong Christian, I've often thought about the mental trauma on Adam and Eve, and Adam's devolution has a clear path. He was created by God and told that He values him even above angels, and yet it was an Angel that his first wife Lilith fell in love with. After the trauma of that, he was promised a "helper" in Eve made from his own rib and, at first Eve may have been like that. I love the musical "Children of Eden," because it doesn't demonize Eve. It shows how before Luci even came back in the picture, she was already yearning for her own agency over creation, knowing she has her own "spark of creation," and she wanted to create too. Luci gave her what she needed to do so. Adam, likely not wanting a repeat of Lilith, did what Eve asked and ate the fruit too. He probably wanted to save this relationship. But because he did that, God cast both of them out and forced them into the wilderness for the rest of their lives. Adam NEVER heard from the only father figure in his life, his Creator, ever again. Then, the first sons Adam ever created, one killed the other and the killer and all his progeny to the seventh generation were marked to be ostracized by all mankind. And assuming Adam died before Eve, he WAS the first human soul into Heaven, so he was nepotismed in. But in HH, it's clear that God still never talks to Adam. And everyone just lets him stay in Heaven because he was the first. Sera even shrugs and says so during the trial. The smile he gives to Lute before he dies is probably two-fold: 1) Lute is probably the closest person he felt affection for because she always took his orders unlike his wives, but his narcissism prevents him from respecting her or loving her 2) He was probably genuinely happy to see Lute breaking down over his death. That after the rejection from Lilith and God, someone, ANYONE, truly cares that he's around
Would it be weird when I think of what happen between Lucifer, Lilith, Adam, and Eve (both in the show and in the actual story in the Bible) I think of generational trauma and abuse? They made choices that cost the entire human race and many suffered because of these choices. And when i think of Charlie and the sinners she is trying to help I think of people trying to break the cycle for something better?
@@yesthatmousyiris4887 I don't think that's weird at all, because they touch on a lot of that generational trauma in HH with Lucifer sinking into depression and that affecting his relationship with Charlie. Really, Charlie is the one breaking the cycle and making her own father believe again. Imagine in Season 2 when she first finds out it worked and Sir Pentious got into Heaven!!
I mean he is the first human, and he never had the chance to learn from someone and just dealt with his emotions on his own without a helping hand which makes me want to hug him ngl☹️☹️ hes one of my fav characters
you actually missed the moment when lute was screaming to adam after he was repeatively stabbed in the back by niffty and adam smiled as if he finaly realised that lute was the only person that really cared and gave a sh*t about him
I heard that one of the core traits of the origins of Narcissism stems from rejection ... like how Lilith rejected him ... and Eve probably indirectly rejected him aswell
@@renimusprimeI'm included, I didn't even realize until I read this comment 💀 that's so clever why didn't I get that one in the 5 times I rewatched this show
If possible, could you try to do an episode on Sera? Even though she’s only there for an episode so far, I feel like there’s a lot to talk about with how she’s so protective of Emily and seems to be willing to agree to anything just to do her job
I don't remember the exact scene but their one where Adam says somthing during the court situation and then looks to Sera for confirmation, and for ounce he seems uncertain and not confident. Theirs also a scene after Chalir and Vaggie leave, where Adam is swearing and laughing before he turns and sees Sera and Emily's sadness and he quickly stops and actually apologizes. Can you explain these? Great video
Loved the video, it's so nice to get a professional perspective at Adam and how he treats others, especially in his contrast of how he treats Charlie vs how he treats Sera and the other Seraphim. Where he's able to berate and demean Charlie with no issues because he deems her as lesser, but because Sera is his boss and is higher up than him, he treats her a lot better even if he is still pretty disrespectful. Also please please please do our precious snake boi next, I'd love to see your analysis on him.
Adam acts exactly how you would expect someone who has never been told "no" in 5000 years to act.
10,000 years.
@@crazy13alexdang bro beat me to it
@@crazy13alex I mean he was told no, once. Got kicked out of Eden as a result.
yeah like adam warlock
5 billion, you mean?
Adam really saw a symptom list and thought it was a checklist
HAHAHAHAHA
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Lol so true XDDD
@@garg4531me going through adhd criteria
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“Because they have abandonment issues.”
* immediately thinks of Eve and Lilith *
True, true
I mean he probably the raison they ran away
@@straneas3099 we don't know that but what we do know is lucifer was a being far above adam at the time there were many reasons they could have left adam
@@boy123istackenwe do know Lilith wasn’t being subservient to him so she was sent to hell that’s all we know right now
My Step-Grandfather blames his Narcissistic traits due to brain damage. As for my estranged Biological Dad, I’d probably have to look more into his past. 🤔
The Nazis gang beating up Great-Grandma when she was pregnant with him; you can see a scar on his forehead on the shape of a butt of a gun to this very day.
@@straneas3099 i mean, in the eyes of a narcissist, even if it's their fault that the people in their lives leave. they still consider it "abandonment"
One of my favorite small details with Adam is when Sera tells him that he messed up with keeping things under control and Lucifer / Charlie is involved, he responds with “What do you want from me? I’m just one guy.”
The guy constantly acts and talks like he’s the best person in existence and is capable of anything, but when he’s confronted with a mistake he made, he can’t accept it and shifts the blame because “How can I be wrong”
He’s such an irritating character and I love it
I hate that they gave him such a charismatic voice actor XD I went into the show assuming I'd find Lucifer hot and then I finished it and was like
"...I need a priest"
Hell Is Forever ruined me, I demand compensation XD
@XaurianQueen there's nothing wrong liking him. He is one of my favorite characters. Common, he is funny and enjoyable
@@XaurianQueen.
@@XaurianQueenit's fine to find fictional characters hot lol
@@XaurianQueen If it helps, you can still get all the charisma of Alex Brightman in a much more acceptable package in the form of Sir Pentious. He's honestly a sweet bean IRL too, so that might also give you away to appreciate his charisma without having to justify liking Adam...
Adam is fascinating.
Up front: he's a narcissist and a terrible person. He's destructive, abrasive, and disrespectful.
But putting him into context: he's had 5000 years to develop narcissistic personality traits. Or at least, develop them into the rancid ones we see now.
As the first man, he was made to be perfect and a match set. He didn't marry Lilith because they met in a coffee shop and she fell for him or something. They were made for each other, and she left that relationship. The kind of ego damage that could do is unimaginable.
Then, after he clearly didn't pursue or otherwise attempt to inflict retribution upon Lilith, he was given a new wife made from his own flesh.
Lilith was free to walk the earth and exist unmarred. And yet she and Lucifer (who lets be real, he was an angel and didn't have a drop of malice in him), connvinced Eve to partake of the fruit of knowledge.
This Ruined Adam's life, again. Clearly at some point Eve left Adam too, and Lilith was again at the center of it all.
Then his Own children became sinners with the free will they were granted by knowledge.
This guy's life was ruined twice by the person he was Made to be with and his descendants fell to evil as well.
No wonder he's got such ego problems. No wonder he's chomping at the bit to get rid of sinners. No wonder his slightly condescending respect for Vaggi turned to Vitriol when he brought up the fact that she was Lying to her partner.
Adam is such an interesting character and I can't wait to see more of him. If Sirpentious can rise, then Adam definitely fell. He died ranting about how his own descendants should be worshipping him
They never met in a coffee shop, they were created next to each other
To add to this, heres some stuff I gathered
Adam is dead. He was killed on-screen, with confirmation that he died afterwards just in case we missed it
Technically he’s a sinner as well because he was supposed to partake of the apple as well and then blamed eve for it
Adam is dead. Like permanently. He was killed with angelic steel.
I've heard people speculate Adam never ate the fruit of knowledge so he basically has the mindset of a 3 year old, which is basically that of a narcissist.
Well he definitely did eat it in the og story but this show obviously isn’t trying to be completely accurate. So it could be the case! Although, if he never took the fruit then he would be perfect and sinless right? i don’t see that lol
@@GolAcheron-fc4ugif you're knowledgeless of sin even while they exist then you're free from it.
Had this discussion with my old priest at 13, I then asked if it would not be better to stop teaching what sins and Christianity is and he said that I ask too many questions.
It also explains how tf he’s in Heaven even though he very clearly doesn’t belong there. You can’t sin if you don’t even know what “wrong” is. He even asks “what’s the big deal?” when he slips up about the exterminations, as if he didn’t understand what made it bad.
@@GolAcheron-fc4ug I'm not sure since I heard the reason we have the name "Adam's Apple" for guys is because Adam TRIED to eat the apple but apparently is so lame he can't even eat a piece of fruit right and it got stuck in his throat. So they're saying he TECHNICALLY never ate it but gained knowledge anyway, and was still cursed.
And being sinless doesn't mean being perfect. It just means you don't increase your sin counter because of your innocence. Animals are considered sinless but they can do horrible horrible things. but they aren't held accountable for it since they don't know any better. They live in nature and nature doesn't give AF.
@@trutwhut6550 Hate it when they do that. Curiosity in children should be encouraged, not shunned, how else are they supposed to learn? Of course, a large part of religion revolves around keeping people subservient and unquestioning, so it's no wonder they do that. And then they have the gall to question why society is turning more and more secular.
What amazes me is that he both got into Heaven and STAYS in Heaven while going out of his way to demonstrate EVERY one of the Seven Deadly Sins in his EVERY appearance.
He displays every sin in his FIRST appearance.
"If Hell is forever, then heaven must be a lie, if angels can do whatever and remain in the sky"
I think he's aware of it on some level too, cuz when Charlie and Emily sing "if angels can do whatever and remain in the sky", it cuts to him and Lute for just a moment. Long enough to see his reaction
If Adam never ate the apple, as some have speculated, then he would literally be incapable of sin no matter what he did. So he would be able lie, cheat, steal, murder, commit adultery, etc. and none of that would count as sins against him.
Sloth??
Adam is 100% a narrisist! But I also wonder if he's a candidate for autophobia, or some other fear of being alone. Seems like his lowest points are when he's either alone or abandoned. Lilith, Eve, ... and when he smiles at Lute at the end, he just looks relieved that someone is there for him.
Exactly!!
Right!
narrisist
Being alone is often the thing narcissists fear more than anything.
It's narcissist not narrisist
One observation I made was that from his reveal to the moment of his defeat Adam always ALWAYS wore his mask. Lute removed hers, but Adam always kept his on, and when it got damaged and came off, he was so, plain looking. He used that mask to make himself look more threatening than he really is.
I think narcissists do feel shame, the problem is, is that they refuse to allow themselves to feel guilt, feel those things in a healthy way so that they can take accountability for their actions.
As someone with NPD, can verify 👍
Narcissists can't deal with shame. So the brain jumps through hoops to hide it away and justify everything as not you fault.
Well done mate 🧉 👏 @@3L3CTR4H34RT
You want to do a Sir Pentious video..
BECAUSE EVERYONE WANTS YOU TO DO A SIR PENTIOUS VIDEO!
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YES!
Viv has said Sir Pentious is meant to be a one time character.
@@samuel10125I hope that she notices how much the audience loves Pentious, they'll give him more screen time or a decent role in the next season. It doesn't need to be the biggest one, but similar to this season
@@phantoistI could be wrong, but actually I think what Viv said was that he *initially* was going to have a much smaller role, but they gave him more time because she/ they had fun with him.
Adam is the first human. He didn’t have a mother, and his “father” wasn’t the sort who a mortal could particularly relate to. He didn’t get any proper instruction on what proper human social behavior was and his life after the expulsion from Eden wasn’t pleasant. Moreover he is “cursed” and he probably refuses to take any of the blame for it. He’s carrying a whole bunch of emotional baggage with no one to help him deal with it or manage it properly. It does make one wonder whether Adam is “inevitable” in that sort of situation. What comes to mind with Adam is a kid from “Lord of the Flies” who actually survived to adulthood.
Adam is the first man and because of that he had no one to learn from. So he was doomed to this way
This is all true. I want to see Adam not only return, but get a redemption arc in the hotel!
It doesn’t help that Lute completely enabled his deplorable behavior
Additionally, no one seems to really take into account that here he was, the first man, trying his best with no instruction... and then his first wife decides to betray him with a fallen angel. And then later that same fallen angel comes along, tempts his second wife with the forbidden fruit of knowledge and messes things up for Adam yet again. Makes me think of what Georgia says at 1:35, the stunted sense of humor and personal growth due to psychological injury. So, while the character of Adam is a jerk and a good villain we love to hate, everyone seems quick to dismiss Lucifer's role in making Adam who he is.
Or at least, with the information we have on the characters, that's my take. Might be we get a peek and turns out Adam has always been this shallow. I hope not, I'd prefer a bit of depth to his character, but that remains to be seen
Lilith still turned out alright (kinda). He has free will, and thus only himself to blame.
adam playing air guitar when he could just summon a real guitar is the best part of hell is forever
Sometimes you just gotta shred air
When Lucifer announced to Adam "I'm gonna F you" everyone thought that was a mistake. But Adam was there for a fight so "I'm gonna F you up" that wouldn't have gotten through to him. And we can see just how rattled Adam was at the thought Lucifer was gonna bend him over.
... Honestly, that thought would rattle me too.
His expression was still absolutely golden after that announcement. Probably one of the few things that would actually legit unsettle him, or throw him off his game (if only for a moment).
One important thing I noticed that you didn't really touch on:
When he's lying there, bleeding out, we see Adam give his first genuine, heartfelt smile of the whole show, when he sees that Lute is actually upset about his death. He finally gets to see that there's somebody who actually cares about him and is sad to see him go, so in his last moments, he's finally actually happy and not just putting on a facade and amusing himself by belittling others.
The relationship between Adam and Lute fascinates me. Even though he talks down to her like he does to everyone else, I get the impression that she was his only friend. She hangs out with him outside of work, and she seemed genuinely distraught at his death. Also the peaceful smile he gives as he looks up at her dying makes it seem like he had some genuine affection for her. Lute is going to be a real problem with Adam's authority, but greater competency and aggression.
Well technically he did show acknowledgement to lute with respect with how many she killed and impressing him. It's like he gives respect when she is the hypeman type for his ego.
@@alexk7880 Not to mention he does also listen to her when he needs to. Like when Lute shut him up and reminded him that other angels can't know about the extermination.
It shows that Adam atleast has some mutual respect for Lute.
Would be cool if he gets reborn as a sinner, future overlord and how it would affect his relationship with Lute
Lute gives off pick me vibes, imho.
What I love about Adam’s end is that he was done in by someone he would have easily dismissed. A small maid.
I guess in the end she did punish a bad boy
@@Snailman3516 EYYYYYYYYY SHE DID DIDN'T SHE XD
Someone he nearly erased without even noticing. When he started firing holy light, he almost killed Nifty.
And Vaggie's reaction was the perfect representation of a disgruntled former employee.
And a women
Also, while Lucifer was mocking him and talking about Lilith and Eve, Adam definitely felt humiliated. His huge ego was shaken knowing that "the most hated being in all of creation" managed to take both of his wives.
I honestly just think he hates Lucifer to his very core. After leaving Eden, Adam was punished by God to live an agonizingly long life and struggle every single year of it. He lived to be over 930 years old. That’s not to mention that Lucifer damned his children.
Yeah, I think this is just pure, unadulterated hatred lol
I don’t think Adam was humiliated. If you see the ending he knew where Lilith was for the past 7 years. He knows Lilith and Lucifer got a divorce. And if you look closely he didn’t care when Lucifer brought up Lilith. The one he got angry was when Lucifer brought up Eve. And until I know her side of the story I doubt what Lucifer said was true.
@@moondivine2288everyone says they got a divorce...who stated that. There were physically separated for 7 years that may not even be the relationship separation she was just gone..I think we are all assuming too much about that
@@RyuKaguya Charlie stated she hasn’t spoken to her dad since her parents separated, which could be ambiguous and Lucifer still wears his wedding ring. It is prove he still loves his wife and is in denial. But it also shows Charlie still had contact with her mom before she disappeared. Though i would need to know Lilith’s feelings on the matter. She is only shown briefly at the end. And because we see her chilling in heaven I think it’s more than Physical separation. Maybe season 2 will give us more details of their separation/ divorce.
@@moondivine2288I agree. Not enough people are talking about or asking where Eve fits in to all of this and what her relationship with Adam is. I just can't help but wonder where is she? I wanna know so bad!
For a character that I thought would be one-note from his first appearance, Adam genuinely turned into one of the most interesting (and funniest) characters on the show.
I never would have imagined that his death would have such a strong impact on me. From the way Lute was desperately crying out in anguish to him, begging him to stay with her, to Adam using the last of his strength to give a reassuring/grateful smile to the one person who's never abandoned him, it surprisingly got me choked up a bit. Couldn't help but recall this Charlie quote from the pilot:
"Look...every single one of you has something good deep down inside...I know you do."
I really hope they bring Adam back as a fallen angel in Hell for Season 2. There's so much story potential with him slowly coming to grips with the knowledge that he had become every bit as bad (maybe even more so) as the people he so joyfully executed year after year, then making a genuine effort to change his ways to actually earn a spot in Heaven this time around.
Well from what is implied Adam DID earn his spot in heaven, I mean look at seras face when Pentious ascends, clearly even the seraphim don’t have input on who ends up in heaven or hell.
And considering we don’t have confirmation of gods existence in the hazbin verse, it’s possible it’s an automatic process.
It’s actually infinitely more sad if Adam *was* worthy of heaven, but due to his time alone and left to stir in his negative emotions with angels that either refuse to correct or straight up encourage his bad habits.
And then there’s Adam being the first human soul in heaven, which implies Abel didn’t make it to heaven, which also suggest none of his other kids did either. That much time alone on top of all of the other things that happened is a pretty good recipe to turn a good person into the Adam we see in the show
I also really want to see Adam again as a fallen Angel! He’s a great character and hilarious!
Two interesting things:
1. Lute saying "angels dont make mistakes" when Vaggie is, ineed, an angel that made a "mistake"
2. Adam digs at Vaggie's kill count when threatening to reveal her identity to Charlie, but when Charlie finds out, her concern is, instead, "you thought you couldn't trust me?"
Maybe it's a bit of logical gymnastics? Vaggie made a mistake and was cast down, therefore she is no longer an angel, so angels don't make mistakes? It's not how I see it, but if she cast Vaggie away that drastically it may be how she sees things?
I love that Alastor knows exactly how to push Adam's buttons to infuriate him
..he did it a little too well
@@g.yad.4758 yup... Almost as if coached by someone who knows him very well. I really think Lilith wanted Adam out of the picture.
Haha! Poetry!
Lucifer did that to him too.
@@edwinnieves7023 where di dyou get the lilith and alastor thing
I’m very curious about Lute after Adam’s death. Not only is she a “true believer” to the lies Heaven told, but she also, wether it be romantic or in the way a cult member worships their leader, she clearly LOVED Adam.
What lies did Heaven tell Lute? I mean within the context of this show. Because neither Adam nor Sera hid anything from her. No one outside of the exorcists knew about extermination, other than Sera.
Did she really worship him though? Her scene with Lilith appears to say otherwise. I think she may have pushed him into a situation where he would die because of the deal she made with Lilith. I'm thinking she got Lilith into heaven as payment for Lilith giving her a way to get rid of Adam.
@@edwinnieves7023
..dude, she was literally almost crying over him. And that.. amazingly gentle smile he gave her just before passing? They *definitely* had something going on.
@@Kayta-Linda true she did. But look at the scene with Lilith again. I feel she totally betrayed him, probably because of some deal with her.
@@edwinnieves7023I think that was more out of anger for both having lost the fight and having lost Adam. She nearly cried when Adam died, so she took her anger on the one she could get her anger too, Lilith
I think that final smile Adam gave Lute is really interesting. It’s like he was grateful she was there for him in his final moments, and gratitude is the farthest thing from narcissism. Often, impending death can make a person realize the truth about themselves and others, which can cause sudden and drastic changes in behavior. Maybe in the brief moments after getting stabbed, Adam realized who he was as a person, and was thankful for Lute for genuinely caring about him regardless.
Could be that he felt validated by someone giving him attention during his final moments. One of narcissists biggest fears is to be alone. He may have been happy that he wasn't alone when he died
@@edwinnieves7023 Yeah, but it always seemed like he took Lute for granted. So it felt weird when he acknowledged her there.
Well if we go off the belief that both of Adam’s wives leaving him, Lute’s statement of “stay with me” is going to be something he wanted to hear for a long time. Because for once he had someone that wanted to stay with him. Rather than someone that is disloyal and abandons you *cough* Lilith *cough*.
She was also the first woman to actually stay with him and not leave him for someone else, he lost two people to the same guy, the first time he was rejected, which would hurt but wouldn’t be too bad but then his wife who was very literally made for him betrayed him by getting them both kicked out of paradise and cheated on him with the same guy he was rejected in favor of, so he was grateful that he had someone with him in his last moments
@@crustader3755 Lute actually said "Stay with me Sir." while flipping him over with her one remaining arm.
The interesting question to ask is…did ADAM eat the Apple?
If he never ate the Apple of knoledge, he never gained the ability to Insight. So no wonder he doesn’t recognize his own flaws.
I love that you continually address the traumatized part of NPD and narcissism. There’s a very vulnerable core in the middle of all of them. Thank you so much for helping to stop the dehumanization of NPD
Agreed 10000000%
finally a normal comment
@@Polina_Lozenko its torture reading through the comments and seeing them ignore this exact point
I thought it was interesting that Adam tries to snipe Lucifer with a statement of truth intended to crush his ego - "You're the most hated being in all of creation" - because that's the kind of statement that, if true, would crush ADAM's own ego. Not realizing that Lucifer cares about something (and someone) else "more than anything" outside of himself: - his daughter and her well-being. So Lucifer is able to brush it off with ease.
you're right, that statement says a lot about Adam, and lucifer's *lack* of a reaction is telling.
@@willparry530
And that Lucifer only reacts when Adam hurts Charlie.
You know now that I think about it it’s interesting Adam has more of an ego than Lucifer who is the demon embodiment of *pride* which actually really telling because you’d think Lucifer would be the biggest egotist in the universe
Actually Adam was right. No one is more hated, than the devil. Not even Adolf H.
Adam has a superiority complex because he was the first human soul in heaven and I think that’s why he thinks so highly of him
I think in the show unlike Eve Adam never ate the fruit of knowledge making him incapable of telling the difference between good and evil making him pure for heaven
That’s not exactly what a superiority complex is, he does have a superiority complex, but that’s him over exaggerating to cover his inferiorities, I mean he WEARS A MASK 24/7, he projects confidence to fool others and himself
And yet he's a "parentless" punk.
@@boxman7044 You are missing the bigger picture. Adam is always wearing a war mask. Lute is always wearing her war uniform.
They’re constantly in a state of war against Lucifer and Lilith.
that also tells some story about Able who was killed before Adam died and was infact the first human to die
I definitely see that injury with Adam with the fact both his wives went against him. Lilith, the one made for him, rejected him. Then when Eve came around she chose the apple and damned the world, somewhat choosing that over Adam. Adam was probably wondering why he wasn't good enough, why no one would stick around, why they didnt want him. And the fact his wife and her new boyfriend ruined his second wife would be some critical emotional damage and trauma and pain. Now does this excuse his behavior? No! But it makes sense why he'd cling to such a egotistical persona, this narcissistic shell to soothe the deep wound of abandonment and worthlessness. The man needs therapy and a decent role model. Considering he had no to talk to or give him guidance and was instead pacified by being elevated to an angel general in heaven, he's never had a chance to be corrected and consoled over what's going on with him. Heaven obviously thought he was great otherwise they wouldn't be letting him get away with everything he does. They are showing him the adoration and praise he wanted his whole life, but he keeps wanting more of it and it won't work because it won't fill that hole left by that trauma until he learns how to address it
THIS!! I want him to have a redemption arc as a Sinner SO BAD for this reason!! He needs someone to relate to and be able to start understanding that what he believed was wrong and start facing all of his buried issues and abandonment problems! There is still so much his character can offer and I really hope they decide to do this with season 2, but I'm also prepared to accept that they may not go this route.
Something I noticed on a rewatch. You bring up traumatic childhoods and abandonment issues a few times, and while Adam never had a childhood, you’re very correct in that he absolutely does have abandonment issues and a manufactured sense of entitlement and self-importance: in just about every version of the Judeo-Christian creation myth, he got to name everything on Earth, and his entire reason for wanting a wife is “I’m lonely.” Add his never really going through any cognitive development at all with his first wife walking out on him and it’s no wonder he’s a possessive manbaby incapable of acknowledging when he’s ever done anything wrong.
He still fascinates me, though 💛
my dad has diagnosed narcissistic personality disorder. He has shortcomings with this, but it's hard to live with someone for 20 years, whom i would not consider even approaching abusive, with this type of unconfronted personality disorder, without humanizing that part of them. Adam is a cartoonish depiction of this, but in his more toned down moments, it was genuinely cathartic to see how much i saw of my dad in him. Again, that's not to say my dad is a bad guy - growing up, the reason i'm not scared of bugs and pest animals is that when we saw them, he would always catch them and let me look at them. he explained the parts of their bodies, how to handle them safely, and even let me hold a corn snake he found in the garden at about age 10 when he deemed me to be ready. He was always a great father to me growing up, but unfortunately his strong need for some level of control, while not as all encompassing as it is in stronger cases, is not conducive to me having a very close relationship to him as an adult. He can light up a room with the best stories and the most interesting facts he's learned from science and history books - as long as everyone in that room either agrees with his conclusions, or realizes that their opinion doesn't matter. Anyway, this is a fantastic video! I love how you take care in all of your videos to make it very clear that there is no "evil" disorder, only bad ways of coping (or not coping). I already knew this about you, but having a clinical narcissist in my life who I respect and love, I have to admit I was a bit nervous about this one.
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Lute _definitely_ doesn't help his ego either. She kinda makes it worse sometimes. Also I think Adam genuinely cared about Lute.
Lute is IMO an enabler. At least I am 99% sure that's the vibe they were going for.
You know that mom whose son is a spoiled brat but she still does everything for him (and she is insanely proud of him)? That's TOTALLY the vibe they were going for with Lute IMO. She is so infatuated with Adam and she is horrible herself, so Adam is like a proxy. Adam can do no wrong in her eyes and she will always stand by him, in fact the more of a douche he is the happier she probably is.
They are so insanely toxic, yet at the same time IMO kind of endearing and romantic in their toxicity. They are unabashedly evil, and they stick for each other ALL THE TIME, which TO ME is endearing in a way. They literally cared for each other TO THE END, which we don't see a lot in real life.
I think there is a reason why characters like Bonnie and Clyde are so popular, there is something romantic about two people dying together and going out in a blaze of glory.
I saw a picture that I think one of the animators made of Lute and Adam and it summed them up perfectly for me. It's a little picture of Adam and Lute at a fastfood place and Lute is screaming at the staff that they got Adams order wrong and Adam just has this pouty face like a spoiled kid, and that picture REALLY summed up their relationship IMO.
Lute is like an overprotective, over supportive "girlboss" wife who likes fighting and so she likes Adam because Adam also likes fighting. They basically are bullies and they know it, they love it, and they aren't afraid of starting shit.
I love em I can't lie.
She is always standing with a menacing grin, she clearly is a sadist who takes much pleasure in making her "prey" squirm, and she is clearly proud of Adams ability to cause fear as well.
What about the smile that grew on his face when Lute rushed to him at the end? It seemed very genuine. Was it the final break in his bravado- that he was surprised and happy to have someone who genuinely cares to be by him at his end? With his previous actions in mind, it was something I didn’t expect from Adam.
Narcissists are afraid of being alone. And what's scarier than being alone during your dying moments? Lute being there probably fed into his narcissism because after everything, and how badly he treats others, someone was there to see him pass.
@@edwinnieves7023 I genuinely think they cared for each other. Comments like yours lack nuance IMO. You call someone a narcissist then basically cancel them from ANY humanity. Just because a character has narcissistic traits doesn't mean EVERYTHING they do is based on that lol. He was a douche, but it seems obvious he cared for Lute and Lute cared for him.
@@hhjhj393they were best friends btw
@@hhjhj393 well said. even though narcissists have low levels of empathy and can treat others' with disrespect, it doesn't mean they can't form connections with other people or even care for others and have humanity within them. narcissistic personality disorder is a spectrum just like antisocial personality disorder and others like it.
@kichihahahaha people didn't pay attention how he shows his own form of respect as he did to lute
Snake boy snake boy snake boy. #Justice for Sir Pentious. 🐍🐍🐍
I’m here for Pent, Husk, and Angel!
Alastors the goat
@@TheZombie567 I thought he was a deer :3
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Snake pit and egg bois represent! 🐍🥚
I still find it interessting that, when Lute turns him around and he sees in his final moments that she doesn’t want him to die and actually cares, he smiles.
One thing I agree with Adam on: starting a speech with a dictionary definition is unoriginal.
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Yes!! Please do Sir Pentious! ❤️🐍
our lovely boi indeed
Yes (made for engagement)
Pent and the crew!!!
I can't wait to see what happens in season 2 with him in Heaven
I would actually like for you to do something with the moment with Lute, a devotee but actually is able to reign him in, almost his entire life, Adam has been defined by his relationships with women.
Adam and Eve,
Adam and lilith
Adam and Seraphim
Adam and Lute.
I want you to dissect the relationships he has with women and think about how his narcissism is just a foil around his insecurity.
Everything about Adam screams the broken boy, that had no figures of positivity in his life, because if the world's just gonna being you down, why should he care about it.
Just some ramblings, because you can totally see it better from A Barbie Ken situation.
Also the noteworthy point that his entire army, every single exorcist, is female-presenting. Adam REALLY likes bossing women around.
His relationship with women is so interesting!
Because, he is presented as mysoginistic, in the way he talks about the "babes", so you'll think he wouldn't accept being under a woman (Seraphim), or that he'll ridicule his underlings (The Exorcists) and wouldn't take advise from his 2nd in Command (Lute).
Despite what he communicates verbally, he seems to respect them all.
His relationship with Lute is the most interesting of all, because he appears to really value her as a friend. I'll love to see more of them :)
His last scene where he smiles at Lute before passing! How could you skip ittttt
it's seem she hate the character so that why i guess
@@TsukasaF4 how do you know?
I really enjoy that you educate people on narcissism. Because people really throw that word around a lot nowadays and really demonize narcissists. However, people with NPD do experience a degree of suffering from their disorder and it does often stem from low self esteem
Thank you for having empathy for those who are often just looked at as being negative. The world is not black and white
When you were talking about Vaggie's name ("is she named after what I think she's named after?") And of course it would be because of Adam lol! That's one of the sweetest things about Sir Pentious. During the final-episode battle, he calls her "Vagatha." He just genuinely assumed that her name was short for a longer version of something beginning with those same letters -- it didn't even occur to him that it could be short for anything else haha!
It worked very well as a character moment, but also a meta one for the fandom. Before the series fans did think Vaggie was short for Vagatha. I was certain it was because this was said officially somewhere by Viv, but now I'm wondering whether it was changed, or was always something unofficial that people state as fact enough times we just assumed it was canon.
@@joyovidsthat's actually true, that was going to be her name, at least in the pilot
love adam. he’s so awful but i think he has sooo much potential bro. don’t rlly even think he has a moral compass ?? like. naturally. it never says whether or not he did partake of the apple but assuming he didn’t, it kinda makes sense he is the way he is.
also i think the “rebellious rockstar” vibe he’s got is veryyy interesting. hope he comes back season 2 if the theories of him respawning as a sinner come true
Another great cosplay, those wings are so beautiful. It's amazing how much use you ended up getting out of them. Also, I appreciate the way you describe narcissism and don't demonize it. Lots of people throw the term around without realizing how those who have it often suffer.
Thanks I do try to give honest information without hype. I think my adam cosplay wasn't one of the best lol ha
So nice!!!!!! Of u!!!!
@@GeorgiaDowHi, how are you?
I want to point out that when Adam accidentally revealed to the angelic court about the Exterminations, Lute’s smile was proud and almost twisted while Adam’s was more nervous like a child was caught doing something they were not supposed to do
One part that might have been good to talk about is when he’s talking to Sera in court about how he got to heaven and chuckles nervously like he’s looking for a “Hell yeah Adam your the man that’s why you’re in heaven” but only gets a half answer of “well he was the first in heaven” that nervousness when talking to someone who in his mind is above him to only shrug off his right to heaven and his righteousness and that’s one of the only times we see him doubt himself and his place in heaven.
The fact that Adam met his end to a little girl who doesn't know nor care who he is, was such poetic justice.
I really loved seeing Adam’s blood as gold. It kinda healed some very deep part of me because my dad has been clinically diagnosed as having NPD and he used to control my mom via her finances, which he actually called “golden handcuffs”. So seeing Adam bleed gold was so satisfying for the child in me. Quick side note, my dad was verbally, emotionally, and smexually abusive to me and I haven’t seen him in 8 years; I’m safe now, I’ve gone through lots of therapy. But it was still satisfying.
Glad you're doing okay now stay strong safe and happy
@@mrj6073 Aww thanks! I hope the same for you.
I was beyond shocked when Charlie met Adam for the first time. Hazbin Hotel really took all my expectations and then said "Nah, we're doing it OUR way"
Someone pointed out that when he loses control, his mask and is offered *mercy* of all things
He is in panic mode
He is erratic. Shaking, rambling, screaming, and trying to look intimidating while being absolutely terrified
My theory is that he’s so insecure about himself that he hides himself behind his mask in order to feel more secure. But that’s just a theory, a game theory XD
Adam was so much fun on screen. Terrible person, but so much fun. I'm going to miss him on screen.
hopefully he will come back as a sinner
@@karlesiaHonestly that would so good for many reason. One it will act as a way to let him redeem or taste hell firsthand. While also making Lute have a hard time by questioning her belief if she is ever send to kill sinner and find Adam.
He needs to come back as a fallen angel in Season 2. There's so much story potential there.
It's amazing how, every time I see a video or post talking about narcistic personality disorder, I'm reminded of my old college roommate and one of my former best friends. He once told me that he only makes friends with people that he thinks he can take in a fight. He saw relationships and sex as his way of establishing a hierarchy. I had sex for the first time in college and he made sure to tell me that the girl I was with also texted him and they would have "totally hooked up by now" if he hadn't been in a relationship. A relationship that he was CONSTANTLY bragging about to everyone around him, including strangers. Then when he broke up with his girlfriend he assumed he'd finally be able to do all the hooking up that he missed out on...only to find no one wanted to do that with him. I started dating a girl that was one of the people he figured he'd easily be able to hook up with and he couldn't handle it. In his eyes I was now above him in the hierarchy. So he went to her and told her lies about me that she knew would hit on a lot of her insecurities and past traumas. While she and I fought he texted her saying "I hope you two can work things out." We broke up because of the fight and the two of them started dating.
But I got the hell out of the house that we were living in together. I didn't want to live in a house with an emotionally manipulative bastard who threatened physical violence against me. And I think he was completely thrown through a loop because he saw me as under his thumb. I've heard from stories of mutual friends that he started treating more people openly as tools and more of his friends started leaving him. I think I was the first person to stand up to him/cut him out of their life and he did not take it well.
I feel the very last moment between Adam and Lute is important. He is dying, facedown, in utter disgrace, but at his lowest low, the one person that could be considered his friend, possibly the only on who could reign him in and he would listen to in earnest, shows a display of absolute sadness at his fading, and I feel that moment of genuine validation and appreciation for who he was is the only moment he cared about someone more than himself.
But that's perhaps a romanticized read of the moment. Maybe Lute's mourning was not validation of his self-worth as someone to be cared about, but worshipped. I sincerely hope we see him return as a demon.
The brilliant part of this show, is that Adam and Charlie are perfect foils of each other as Character Archetypes. Charlie is the super feeler/empath, and Adam is the Narsacist that only cares about himself, and lacks any empathy at all
Adam smiled when he died so I think that he was happy that someone cared about him and stayed by his side
OK this is my theory for the next season:
We follow Adam as he goes to the five stages of grief as he realizes that he’s in hell. So he goes to Charlie to “become friends” and “to repent” as a joke. but ultimately does get closer to her and the other residents.
Not in the cards. Adam was killed by an angelic weapon, so he is a goner.
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Sir penches was killed by Adam and went to heaven. I believe that Adams power also has a holiness to it too.
@@superv5006 His angelic powers may not equate to what Angelic Steel does, which is what the Exorcist Weapons were made out of and why they always used them in the Exterminations. Even Adam has an Angelic Steel-made Axe. I doubt his angelic powers were enough to vaporize Pentious, which is likely why he ended up getting redeemed. That's just what I gleaned from it tho.
@@DarklightNamari well, to begin with, he dont actually have angelic steel axe, he literally creates it with his light magic during the fight. Alastor said he almost died wounded by it, and all characters thought that Pentious died, which wouldnt make sence for them to think if it wouldnt be same as angelic steel, since otherwise both of them would just regenerate after couple days.
@@DarklightNamari
Agreed.
I find interesting how Adam never mistreat or disrespect Lute and the other exorcists iirc (ok he does it once in episode 8). Lute even enjoys dancing along with him, fist bumping and all. He seems like a good "boss" since she doesn't sigh or hate her job, like "I have to endure this every day", she doesn't feel like she needs to clean up after him, she's actively participating and validating him. The exorcists feel like frat boys in a way. He also perceives anyone in Heaven in a much better light than anyone in Hell, because he sees the world in black and white like state in the song.
I love that Lute in the background giving a supportive scowl is part of your Adam costume
A lot of people are theorizing that Adam will come back as a Sinner in Season 2 of Hazbin. I think that this could give him the chance of an actual redemption arc.
I would love to see how you could unpack what growth in a Narcissist would actually look like.
The big crisis as I see it is- Accepting that he was wrong. That’s a big self-identity AND worldview problem.
1) Self-Identity: First He'll “good” and “evil” are not inherent, immutable traits. You spoke about a Narcissistic Injury. How can you get a Narcissist to de-identify with "good-person" "saint" as that narcissistic armor and get to the core of his emotional injuries (re-literal absent-father and loss of his partner). I would love to him actually have someone he cares about stick by him after he's fallen. Not in an enabling way, but in a 'I think you're worth-it' way.
2) World view: Then he'll need to accept: The system that elevated you did so for its own preservation, not (entirely) because of your merit. He wasn't a great or particularly adept leader. He was just the best idiot at the time to throw at the problem. What does that say about the rest of heaven? He was complicit in a great wrong? Does he even have the psychological fortitude to address?
I've seen both of these psychological hurtles trip a lot of people up in real life, and destroy otherwise well-written characters.
The only other media I’ve encountered that ACTUALLY tackles this in a satisfactory manner is 'The Good Place'. And even then I have yet to see it tackled with someone like Adam all the way through in satisfactory way.
My big bet is that Sera will end up being the Final villain. She's already shown a willingness to do whatever is necessary to maintain the status quo, and the status quo is exactly what Charlie is trying to dismantle.
I'm really truly hoping that Adam gets an ACTUAL, IN DEPTH, REDEMPTION ARC, throughout the season.
The only thing in the way of that for him is a catalyst.
What could possibly make a narcissist WANT to change? Truly want to change. To be vulnerable and practice feeling empathy?
I would love to hear more of your thoughts on this.
PS- I've just subscribed to your nebula channel. As a professional animator who's a bit of a psychology nerd it's great to hear your analysis. Keep going!!!
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i think a thing to note is that empathy =/= compassion
i have very low empathy due to autism but i still care about others and try to do whats best for them.
Adam is a pretty interesting character when you look deeper into his personality and backstory. It’s obvious to note that his brash and egotistic attitude stems from him never having any role models to teach him how to be a decent person, but I feel like it could also be a mask he wears to hide his insecurities and trust issues. Looking through his pov, he was betrayed by both his wives (Lilith straight up hated and ran away from him, while Eve ate the apple). Obviously they weren’t the ones at fault here and were just trying to get away from Adam’s awful treatment of them. But because he was never taught empathy and had already ascended to heaven, Adam never got to reflect on his actions and realize that HE was the problem. To cope with his hurt, he wears his title as “first man” to an extreme degree while still retaining his bitterness towards women because of the memories of his wives. He really does embody toxic masculinity.
I also imagine the reason why he hated Charlie so much was because she’s the daughter of Lucifer and Lilith, the two people he hates the most. To him, Charlie is a constant reminder of the family/legacy he could have had with Lilith and everything he lost to Lucifer (doesn’t help that she looks exactly like him).
Lucifer taunting Adam about Lilith and Eve made him go absolutely berserk, that rings as his deepest trauma being directly stabbed, and right before he's put down.
Loved that Adam smiles when he saw Lute before he dies... It like hes happy theres someone beside him before he dies... Both of his wives left him but theres someone beside him one last time.
Great analysis of one of my favorite Hazbin characters! I honestly hope Adam returns and gets a redemption arc within the hotel. Someone like Adam would be too much fun to simply kill off and never see again.
Also, Adam being the first man and having to watch his descendants slip into evil would add depth to his motivation as an antagonist.
Im really REALLY sad we didn’t see some analysis of him and Lutes Relationship. Its oddly wholesome how they are oddly in sync they are. Hopefully if there’s a Lute video we explore his more sympathetic side because I am positive it does exist. The way he smiled at Lite before he died I think hinted at a part of him capable of love but his ego and narcissism really holds that back. If a Lute video happens I hope we get that explored.
Same bro 😎
What I believe is that in this universe, Adam never ate the fruit, so he never truly understood the difference between good and evil
I would like a video on Lute. Her and Adam's dynamics was really interesting. Even in his final moments when Lute called him by his name, Adam smiled. It makes me wonder what his final thoughts were.
I think Adam has a partly bruised ego from Lucifer "stealing" Lilith and it probably didn't help Eve so willingly listened to Lucifer, further damaging his ego. Perhaps this is was the spark that caused Adams incredible amounts of narcissistism. And also why Lucifer got under Adams skin significantly more than Alastor, too the point of literally tearing the hotel in half.
Edit: i remember Lilith's name
(Perhaps it's also why Adam has such a flattering way of treating the ladies)
I love that you brought up the swearing cause i awlays found that ironic about Adam. This dude swore more in a single sentence than any drmon in hell did in a single conversation. Also i truly believe the narcissistic wound your talking about is Eve taking the fruit and being the root of all evil, this wound could have very well been deepened when his children followed suit (I don't think Caine and Abel exist in Hazbin Hotel but it eould be interesting if they did)
Narcissism often comes with an intimate understanding of power dynamics. Because they want to be at the top at all times.
They understand the concept of consequences. And are capable of reining themselves in When it would harm them.
You should do a therapist analysis on Lute. Not only is she an interesting character, but there is clearly something there to analyze. I hope you do soon! Can't wait for more Therapizing Hazbin episodes!
A moment I think would be worth noting is when Vaggie reads his list of behaviors on how to get to heaven and questions it. Adam, who is first sure of himself that those are the reasons he got there himself, then looks up at Sera with doubt for reassurance. For some reason, that cene really stuck out to me. It's probably one of the only times Adam seems actually genuine. I could be looking too much into it though
Nah, ur fine, u actually have a fair point XDD
I wonder how much it would tick Adam off if he learned that at least one church on Earth refers the Original Sin as The Fall of Adam.
Jokes aside, a remarkable look into his psyche. Although it may be a tad tricky to consider a few things like how he started life as a grown man without parents.
Also yes. Please. Do one for our precious snake boi. He deserves all the attention and love that Adam believes himself to have.
I saw a theory that he legitimately doesn't know any better, and has constantly affirmed his whole existence, and so never felt the need to change
In the end Adam got the last laugh he died in the arm of a woman who loved him
*arm
Jokes aside
That scene was beautiful
Ha, not really. He still lost in humiliating fashion while his worldview of himself being the greatest was shattered.
@@MadMax-ii8gqhe died smiling
One little scene that really stood out to me was when Lute had her brief solo during "You didn't know". If you look in the background Adam was serving as her hype-man just as enthusiastically as she did for him during "Hell is Forever". Given Adam's clear need to be the center of attention I thought it was interesting that he so willing and enthusiastically played second fiddle to Lute even if it was for a very short time, that is just not something I would expect from a narcissist like Adam. Then as he lays dying, he give Lute what seems to be a genuinely kind smile as if he was trying to comfort her in his final moments which again is not something I would expect from a narcissist.
There are three things I would like to know about Adam. The first is if he was always like what we see in the show or did becoming the first human soul in Heaven help feed his ego until it spun out of control? The second is how did the end of his marriage to Lilith look like from his perspective? Keep in mind that book Charlie read from was an account from Lucifer and Lilith's perspective and while I do not believe either of them did anything wrong, nor do I have any reason to believe they were lying, that is still their version of events and people tend to remember things in the light most favorable to themselves and the worst possible light for anyone they do not like. Put another way, imagine if the person who hates you the most wrote a book, would you expect it to paint you in a positive light? The third thing I would like to know is what happened to his marriage with Eve and how did that affect Adam? To be clear, I do not think the answers of any of these questions would engender much sympathy from me and even if they did, they can not excuse his actions and behaviors. However, I do think they could offer some insight to understanding Adam.
On another note, I am more than a little worried that Georgia is thinking about doing a video on Niffty because when a character voiced by Keith David says "You don't want to know" I am inclined to believe them. I will still watch it of course as well as any video covering Huskar or Sir Pentious. Another character that might be worth a short video on his Sera, sure she had less than 5 minutes on screen but they packed a lot of character into that brief screen-time and quite a few people seemed to have missed that her motivations were quite different from Adam's
W analysis bro 👍👍
You really should have included the scene where Lute rushed towards dying Adam. I know, it is video about persona analysis rather than scene analysis, but I think it was great example of narcissistic person revealing their damaged side that they hide behind the shell of self-appraisal. In all scenes we get the expression of Adam being pretty much aggressive towards everyone around him in order to assert the dominance, but at that very last scene he gave one single, genuine and gentle smile. Happiness, gratitude.. love? Whatever that emotion was, it's safe to say, that in those last seconds we saw the real Adam, without the grip of the narcissistic mask, revealing himself to the most reliable person he had in his life - Lute.
Overall, nice video and cosplay!
Waiting for the Husker breakup
I just wanted to say that I really appreciate that you didn't only focus on the negative aspects of narcissism in this video. I was born into a family with a narcissistic father who did end up being abusive, but I feel as though that's become the stereotype of the condition at this point and I think it is very important to remind people that just because you have a personality disorder, that doesn't automatically make you a bad person, and there are often reasons behind the behavior. I have a lot of respect for you as this is something that I see overlooked in a lot of videos dealing with the topic.
You should do his enabler, Sera too.
At least enabling is the vibe I get from their interactions. He continues to be narcissistic, even in front of the entire court, and even openly disobeys her, yet she does nothing and remains complicit.
YESS
A part I wish I would have seen you interpret is when Sera scolds Adam and he ends up apologizing and flying away sadly
he is built from scratch to be the grown up version of the teen bully. he's built di be hated but at the same time admired. in the end we rightully hate him, but the one line where he screams "ATTAAAAAACK!" with the organs in the background, makes his character worthy.
Not a word about his actual final moment? Smiling at the one woman who was by his side after everything? After he got taunted about how all the people supposed to love him abandoned him, and by the same fallen angel who took them both away in the first place?
One of my favorite little moments is in Adam and Charlie's first meeting and he says: "I LOVE putting my name on sh**," that it's a nod to the story that God put him in charge of naming every animal.
As a lifelong Christian, I've often thought about the mental trauma on Adam and Eve, and Adam's devolution has a clear path. He was created by God and told that He values him even above angels, and yet it was an Angel that his first wife Lilith fell in love with. After the trauma of that, he was promised a "helper" in Eve made from his own rib and, at first Eve may have been like that. I love the musical "Children of Eden," because it doesn't demonize Eve. It shows how before Luci even came back in the picture, she was already yearning for her own agency over creation, knowing she has her own "spark of creation," and she wanted to create too. Luci gave her what she needed to do so.
Adam, likely not wanting a repeat of Lilith, did what Eve asked and ate the fruit too. He probably wanted to save this relationship. But because he did that, God cast both of them out and forced them into the wilderness for the rest of their lives. Adam NEVER heard from the only father figure in his life, his Creator, ever again. Then, the first sons Adam ever created, one killed the other and the killer and all his progeny to the seventh generation were marked to be ostracized by all mankind.
And assuming Adam died before Eve, he WAS the first human soul into Heaven, so he was nepotismed in. But in HH, it's clear that God still never talks to Adam. And everyone just lets him stay in Heaven because he was the first. Sera even shrugs and says so during the trial.
The smile he gives to Lute before he dies is probably two-fold:
1) Lute is probably the closest person he felt affection for because she always took his orders unlike his wives, but his narcissism prevents him from respecting her or loving her
2) He was probably genuinely happy to see Lute breaking down over his death. That after the rejection from Lilith and God, someone, ANYONE, truly cares that he's around
Would it be weird when I think of what happen between Lucifer, Lilith, Adam, and Eve (both in the show and in the actual story in the Bible) I think of generational trauma and abuse? They made choices that cost the entire human race and many suffered because of these choices. And when i think of Charlie and the sinners she is trying to help I think of people trying to break the cycle for something better?
@@yesthatmousyiris4887 I don't think that's weird at all, because they touch on a lot of that generational trauma in HH with Lucifer sinking into depression and that affecting his relationship with Charlie. Really, Charlie is the one breaking the cycle and making her own father believe again. Imagine in Season 2 when she first finds out it worked and Sir Pentious got into Heaven!!
I mean he is the first human, and he never had the chance to learn from someone and just dealt with his emotions on his own without a helping hand which makes me want to hug him ngl☹️☹️ hes one of my fav characters
DUDE SAMEEEEEE, i absolutely agree with you
You didn't talk about Adam's smile at Lute as he died 😢
Doesn't take a psychotherapist to know Adam's a narcissist but the in depth analysis from one is quite fascinating. He really checked all the boxes.
The angel wings in the background!
Yay happy you noticed and liked it
you actually missed the moment when lute was screaming to adam after he was repeatively stabbed in the back by niffty and adam smiled as if he finaly realised that lute was the only person that really cared and gave a sh*t about him
I heard that one of the core traits of the origins of Narcissism stems from rejection ...
like how Lilith rejected him ... and Eve probably indirectly rejected him aswell
As someone with NPD I gotta say he felt like a cartoon version of myself. Definitely relate lol
While most of Adam's jokes are garbage, I actually really enjoyed the "Adam's (bbq) Ribs" joke.
That’s one of the jokes that goes over many people’s heads until the rewatch it or is pointed out 😂 I’m one of them
@@renimusprimeI'm included, I didn't even realize until I read this comment 💀 that's so clever why didn't I get that one in the 5 times I rewatched this show
cuz that's not his joke. That's just clever writing. Adam didn't intend it to be funny
@@Luksed12 sure
Bringing back Adam would show heaven that even the worst person can change
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I used to be a narcissist but I got therapy what it’s like is you see other people as an MPC
Happy that you got better! It's really interesting to hear it from the other point of view!
you forgot about the little smile Adam did to Lute when he is about to die, im wondering what it really mean
If possible, could you try to do an episode on Sera? Even though she’s only there for an episode so far, I feel like there’s a lot to talk about with how she’s so protective of Emily and seems to be willing to agree to anything just to do her job
I don't remember the exact scene but their one where Adam says somthing during the court situation and then looks to Sera for confirmation, and for ounce he seems uncertain and not confident. Theirs also a scene after Chalir and Vaggie leave, where Adam is swearing and laughing before he turns and sees Sera and Emily's sadness and he quickly stops and actually apologizes. Can you explain these? Great video
Can we take a minute to appreciate all of Georgia's cosplays? They never miss!
I love how she trys her hardest when to make outfits that match, like, so slay.
Adam might be a super narcissist but he’s still my favorite character, hope he comes back somehow in season 2.
Loved the video, it's so nice to get a professional perspective at Adam and how he treats others, especially in his contrast of how he treats Charlie vs how he treats Sera and the other Seraphim. Where he's able to berate and demean Charlie with no issues because he deems her as lesser, but because Sera is his boss and is higher up than him, he treats her a lot better even if he is still pretty disrespectful. Also please please please do our precious snake boi next, I'd love to see your analysis on him.
Adam vs Alastor is the virigin narcissist vs the chad psychopath
2 mental disorders fighting for glory UvU
@@asjdhuiwadh And one is way more based than the other
You should do an analysis of the OK KO LETS BE HEROES characters! It is such a underrated incredible show that deserves more love and attention
Definitely cover Husk next, but I CANNOT WAIT for a dive into Nifty’s mind lol