On issues with hybrid are: Plug in ones are subject to an EV tax and the pay at the pump gas tax. Regular hybirds are good but require maintenance. Do not ignore oil change intervals. The have the best and worst of both platforms and are typically a bit more unsafe statistically than a full EV. But honestly a hybrid is a solid choice for most drivers out there but when I was shopping, there weren't many options that were priced better than the used EV I got.
You're on point with the hybrid drawbacks I only eluded to in the video, 100%. My last ICE car was approaching a high mileage service appointment, or a few weekends under the hood and under the car before the end of the summer. I found that I was due to save money based on running costs difference alone, even before including long term maintenance. The switch to an EV made sense if I made sure I could L2 charge at home. The maintenance and running costs savings pay for the home charger and install in the not so long run. A typical day if driving for me covers 30km-60km. A stretch day would be 170km, which is almost never spontaneous. Even after considering winter range "loss", a.k.a trade off of kW on board for heat, it's been more economical than the ICE car. At worst the efficiency has been equal to the hybrid, all the while having way more power/regen. The car has only been DC charged 3x at 50kw DC chargers over the last 11,000 km; all of which were on the same 600km round-trip that I took in the first month that I got the car. Every other charge since then has been L2. Zero Gas Price anxiety is a switch I should have made sooner!
@@lawpolo 100%. Before I picked up my EV, I was looking at getting a used hybrid that would get me better mpgs but would be out of warranty and with the miles, approaching various service milestones. All while paying 65%-85% MSRP (RAV4 Primes were notorious for this). Outside of the power, turbo direct injections we no longer under consideration. I had two and they both had higher operating costs and maint. than I wanted to commit to again. A coworker pointed me to Hertz's ev firesale and from there I went down the rabbit hole. Sure there are some costs and compromises but the pros so far outweight the cons: Driving feel: all the power I want (at the moment) and smooth delivery of that power. I have an ICE in the garage my wife uses and it is night and day driving the two. Gas price anxiety: no more $60/wk premium (see turbo direct injection). I spend maybe $12/wk to charge. No more weekend mechanic. That time is now spent on the home and leveling up my detailing of my EV. No more gas station shenanigans. In Atlanta Georgia, a lot of stuff can go down at a gas station. I just zip on by and plug my car, and devices in when I need to when I get home. No more fumes! For 10 years I worked as a field rep and had a car that wasn't that efficient. The transition reminds me of when I quit smoking and now I reflect on the damage I did to myself inhaling all of the fumes an ICE car can make. I do have my anxieties over the "alternative fuel tax" which is currently unfairly levied, and all of the EV fud is something to deal with.
Used ev are a "steal" since most dealers know nothing about how long an ev battery last: between 300,000K to 500,000K. Even a highly used ev 75K miles had a lot to offer, and by the time you have to change it, the new EV prices will be so low that will cost less than what you pay now for an used one.
@@EnriqueAThieleSolivan true with one import caveat: Since it's an EV, most of the work on other components may get turned away from shops who could otherwise do them but don't want to deal with an EV on their lift. Case in point: I can't find a shop willing to put aftermarket suspension components on my Volvo. So you'll rely on the dealer and they will gouge you on everything you can't do yourself.
I surely Hope that changes quickly, especially since it's not a drive component. I've swapped out Impreza suspension for Forester suspension on my own in my driveway...do not recommend it. Having done that project, however, car enthusiasts won't be stopped. I'll surely swap out suspension again on a future EV to make it ride better. The new 2025 mach-e retuned rear suspension would be a nice update to this 2023 model.
I hadn't previously considered how much I enjoy NOT visiting gas stations. One of the perks of going full EV, besides the gas savings, is time saved by plugging in at home. The EV can go 4 to 10 days between charges.
And in town you are carriging an ICE as pure dead weight, the opposite in the highway. Hybridas are too comples, having all the maintenance as an ICE, without the savings of a full ev
@EnriqueAThieleSolivan that's true. It's also true that more hybrids on the roads makes more of an environmental impact than more full EVs. 1 EV makes 5 Hybrid Cars. But 5 hybrid Cars save more fuel than if only 1 driver switches to an EV, and the other 4 remain in regular ICE cars. I do find that driving an EV is one of the easiest things I've ever had to learn vs a history with gas cars, but I went into it knowing that I wanted my edge scenario cases for driving distance to be 30% to 50% of the battery capacity.
As a rule of thumb, EV is the way to go, IF you can charge at home. If you cannot charge at home, and have to rely wholly and solely on public fast charging, the Hybrid is a clear winner. There are many videos, comparing the cost of fast charging and gasoline or diesel on road trips, that prove that fuel is less expensive than electricity. The question becomes, "how often do you take trips outside the range of your EV?" At that point, just budget for it, just like you do with gas. You just know about how much it will cost, and just add it to the expense. Don't forget time! On the road, you can take on ~400 miles of range, in a matter of 5 minutes. With an EV, you can take on ~200 miles of range in 30 minutes. If you already have a combustion car, you might take that, for just that reason alone. If you don't , can you borrow one? Rent one? Is the saving in time worth the effort? Right now, with charging infrastructure in its "infancy", I would opt for the combustion car, just because it's easier to find a gas station, than a charging station. As the charging networks develop, I would just spend the extra money, and allow for the time, and just take my EV. (It's only once or twice in an entire year, that I take such a road trip)
@@vincentrobinette1507 I'm in your choir. I tell this to people all the time in conversation. The reality I'd like to see would have all barriers to l2 charging removed for home owner and renters alike
30 years ago if anyone would had told me that a car would be invented that 1. You can wake up to a full tank every morning. 2. No oil changes. 3. No brake pad/rotor changes. 4. No tune ups. 5. Is faster than any gas vehicle. 6. Cheaper purchase price than anything close. 7. No replacing belts. 8. Can drive itself. 9. Much more cargo space. 10. Safer than any gas car. 11. Much more difficult to steal. 12. Traction control that no gas car can come close to, physics being the limiting factor. 13. Can still drive like new at 200K miles while the majority of gas cars have long since met the crusher. 14. Much cheaper to build. And most important of all 15. Dog mode. I would've thought this would had been a no brainer. Yet here we are, contemplating the possibility that gas cars are better because of scenarios where electricity is expensive.
Switching to an EV is one of the easiest things I've ever done. I don't roadtrip often, so I didn't base my buying decision around that. The freedom of driving past gas pumps can't really be conveyed in words. It's just to be lived. That aside, I agree that hybrids are a stop gap, but they make a better use of the available batteries... If the goal is saving gas, which is all most people aim to do. 100kwh of batteries distributed among 5 hybrid cars has greater environmental and economic benefits compared to 1 EV and 4 regular cars remaining on the road. I agree with all your points. I also can't wait for the next crop of battery tech that will further drop prices, drop weight and increase the range of EVs. We're already a long way from the Tesla Roadster
I’m from metro Detroit. I have an electric rate which is reduced from 7 PM - overnight - until 11 AM on weekdays, and the reduced rate applies to all day on weekends too. 13+ cents per kwh. At this rate if my EV gets 3 mi/kwh, this means 4.3 cents per mile, which equals out to about 75 mi per US gallon. In warmer months, I’ll be getting closer to 4 mi/kwh, which equals out to about 100 mpg. Hybrid cars are good, but you can’t beat an EV that’s charged at this electric rate, even with a hybrid.
@@dennislyon5412 we have flat charging in this neck of the woods. I still set the time to recharge overnight when the load is low. I really don't need to, from a finance POV, but my dad worked in the power company when I was growing up. Knowing what I know, I'd rather not add my high draw EV to the peak load mix. My L2 chargers draws 7kw, which isn't crazy high at all, but still substantial for a residential load .
Fuel/electricity costs weren’t the driving factor moving me to purchase an EV. It was the performance and the technology along with not having to maintain a gas engine.
@@tonepilot I traded in my ICE when it was due for a maintenance bill that an EV wouldn't need. The power was a big reason, and the gas savings was the kicker. The Canadian gov't incentive seems gone for now, but given that the running and maintenance costs are lower in an EV, and gas still seems as high as summer prices around here, the savings over ICE still stack up in the long run.
I think the problem with most of these comparisons is you’re comparing premium cars to normal cars. People who don’t just buy the cheapest reliable car have to buy premium gas. That usually cost around 1 dollar more than normal gas
You're right. Most people justify their reservations based on unfair comparisons. One of the reasons was due to a lack of options on the EV market, but that is rapidly changing. These days it's easier to compare similar vehicles features and performance across the gas and EV lineup, if one is willing to be fair. th-cam.com/users/shortsEfJmQDgZAho?si=-dC0FiPqukdTt1pY This video shows how much driving conditions change the efficiency of the same car, and it also uses 12l/100km as the upper fuel comparison, which is still generous when considering performance SUVs.
Gas is only cheap because governments subsidize billions of dollars every year for gas & oil industries. If there were no subsidies for oil & gas, it would cost 5x more to buy gas. Imagine $15 / gallon , or in Canada imagine $7 / L of gas !!!! Do your research, in total, governments have put 7 TRILLION dollars worth of subsidies into oil & gas. One day, if governments stop subsidies, expect oil and gas to go through the roof!
@@a124as purchased price for sure, Insurance tho, I haven't found to be higher honestly. The car has more safety features, which my company gives discounts for. The insurance got cheaper than my old gas car rate oddly enough.
@@lawpolowith Tesla model 3 new, my insurance (full coverage because financed) is almost exactly same as my bmw x5 10 years old that’s just basic coverage. $66 ton$58 respectively per month. Definitely not high for full coverage
@kariemmcfarlin5897 Insurance is tricky too. My insurance dropped when I got the Mach-e because the last car didn't have eyesight. It was a Subaru Impreza with a manual handbrake. The Mach-E is way more powerful and cheaper to run.
Running the old car you have into the ground is the ultimate money saving hack. Why make a car payment when you can maintain the car that you measure in smiles per mile. Most of the old stuff will surely appreciate in value while every new EV depreciates faster than gas car rivals. Customer leather seat covers could be a nice add on to any ride. I prefer cloth seats myself.
We pay 0.07c a kwh, premium fuel is +$4 a gallon. The saving are in charging at home.
That's cash back in your pocket every time you plug in!
TRUE.
On issues with hybrid are:
Plug in ones are subject to an EV tax and the pay at the pump gas tax.
Regular hybirds are good but require maintenance. Do not ignore oil change intervals. The have the best and worst of both platforms and are typically a bit more unsafe statistically than a full EV.
But honestly a hybrid is a solid choice for most drivers out there but when I was shopping, there weren't many options that were priced better than the used EV I got.
You're on point with the hybrid drawbacks I only eluded to in the video, 100%.
My last ICE car was approaching a high mileage service appointment, or a few weekends under the hood and under the car before the end of the summer.
I found that I was due to save money based on running costs difference alone, even before including long term maintenance. The switch to an EV made sense if I made sure I could L2 charge at home. The maintenance and running costs savings pay for the home charger and install in the not so long run.
A typical day if driving for me covers 30km-60km. A stretch day would be 170km, which is almost never spontaneous. Even after considering winter range "loss", a.k.a trade off of kW on board for heat, it's been more economical than the ICE car. At worst the efficiency has been equal to the hybrid, all the while having way more power/regen.
The car has only been DC charged 3x at 50kw DC chargers over the last 11,000 km; all of which were on the same 600km round-trip that I took in the first month that I got the car. Every other charge since then has been L2.
Zero Gas Price anxiety is a switch I should have made sooner!
@@lawpolo 100%. Before I picked up my EV, I was looking at getting a used hybrid that would get me better mpgs but would be out of warranty and with the miles, approaching various service milestones. All while paying 65%-85% MSRP (RAV4 Primes were notorious for this).
Outside of the power, turbo direct injections we no longer under consideration. I had two and they both had higher operating costs and maint. than I wanted to commit to again.
A coworker pointed me to Hertz's ev firesale and from there I went down the rabbit hole. Sure there are some costs and compromises but the pros so far outweight the cons:
Driving feel: all the power I want (at the moment) and smooth delivery of that power. I have an ICE in the garage my wife uses and it is night and day driving the two.
Gas price anxiety: no more $60/wk premium (see turbo direct injection). I spend maybe $12/wk to charge.
No more weekend mechanic. That time is now spent on the home and leveling up my detailing of my EV.
No more gas station shenanigans. In Atlanta Georgia, a lot of stuff can go down at a gas station. I just zip on by and plug my car, and devices in when I need to when I get home.
No more fumes! For 10 years I worked as a field rep and had a car that wasn't that efficient. The transition reminds me of when I quit smoking and now I reflect on the damage I did to myself inhaling all of the fumes an ICE car can make.
I do have my anxieties over the "alternative fuel tax" which is currently unfairly levied, and all of the EV fud is something to deal with.
Used ev are a "steal" since most dealers know nothing about how long an ev battery last: between 300,000K to 500,000K. Even a highly used ev 75K miles had a lot to offer, and by the time you have to change it, the new EV prices will be so low that will cost less than what you pay now for an used one.
@@EnriqueAThieleSolivan true with one import caveat:
Since it's an EV, most of the work on other components may get turned away from shops who could otherwise do them but don't want to deal with an EV on their lift.
Case in point: I can't find a shop willing to put aftermarket suspension components on my Volvo.
So you'll rely on the dealer and they will gouge you on everything you can't do yourself.
I surely Hope that changes quickly, especially since it's not a drive component.
I've swapped out Impreza suspension for Forester suspension on my own in my driveway...do not recommend it. Having done that project, however, car enthusiasts won't be stopped. I'll surely swap out suspension again on a future EV to make it ride better. The new 2025 mach-e retuned rear suspension would be a nice update to this 2023 model.
Where I live… the current electricity rate is 10 cents per kilowatt hr. Much cheaper to charge my hybrid than to gas up.
I hadn't previously considered how much I enjoy NOT visiting gas stations. One of the perks of going full EV, besides the gas savings, is time saved by plugging in at home. The EV can go 4 to 10 days between charges.
And in town you are carriging an ICE as pure dead weight, the opposite in the highway. Hybridas are too comples, having all the maintenance as an ICE, without the savings of a full ev
@EnriqueAThieleSolivan that's true. It's also true that more hybrids on the roads makes more of an environmental impact than more full EVs.
1 EV makes 5 Hybrid Cars. But 5 hybrid Cars save more fuel than if only 1 driver switches to an EV, and the other 4 remain in regular ICE cars.
I do find that driving an EV is one of the easiest things I've ever had to learn vs a history with gas cars, but I went into it knowing that I wanted my edge scenario cases for driving distance to be 30% to 50% of the battery capacity.
As a rule of thumb, EV is the way to go, IF you can charge at home. If you cannot charge at home, and have to rely wholly and solely on public fast charging, the Hybrid is a clear winner. There are many videos, comparing the cost of fast charging and gasoline or diesel on road trips, that prove that fuel is less expensive than electricity. The question becomes, "how often do you take trips outside the range of your EV?" At that point, just budget for it, just like you do with gas. You just know about how much it will cost, and just add it to the expense. Don't forget time! On the road, you can take on ~400 miles of range, in a matter of 5 minutes. With an EV, you can take on ~200 miles of range in 30 minutes. If you already have a combustion car, you might take that, for just that reason alone. If you don't , can you borrow one? Rent one? Is the saving in time worth the effort? Right now, with charging infrastructure in its "infancy", I would opt for the combustion car, just because it's easier to find a gas station, than a charging station. As the charging networks develop, I would just spend the extra money, and allow for the time, and just take my EV. (It's only once or twice in an entire year, that I take such a road trip)
@@vincentrobinette1507 I'm in your choir. I tell this to people all the time in conversation. The reality I'd like to see would have all barriers to l2 charging removed for home owner and renters alike
@ That, and, a standardized charge port. Just like gasoline, ANY car should be able to charge at ANY charge point!
The baddest! Very informative. 👍🏾
30 years ago if anyone would had told me that a car would be invented that
1. You can wake up to a full tank every morning.
2. No oil changes.
3. No brake pad/rotor changes.
4. No tune ups.
5. Is faster than any gas vehicle.
6. Cheaper purchase price than anything close.
7. No replacing belts.
8. Can drive itself.
9. Much more cargo space.
10. Safer than any gas car.
11. Much more difficult to steal.
12. Traction control that no gas car can come close to, physics being the limiting factor.
13. Can still drive like new at 200K miles while the majority of gas cars have long since met the crusher.
14. Much cheaper to build.
And most important of all
15. Dog mode.
I would've thought this would had been a no brainer. Yet here we are, contemplating the possibility that gas cars are better because of scenarios where electricity is expensive.
Switching to an EV is one of the easiest things I've ever done. I don't roadtrip often, so I didn't base my buying decision around that.
The freedom of driving past gas pumps can't really be conveyed in words. It's just to be lived.
That aside, I agree that hybrids are a stop gap, but they make a better use of the available batteries... If the goal is saving gas, which is all most people aim to do. 100kwh of batteries distributed among 5 hybrid cars has greater environmental and economic benefits compared to 1 EV and 4 regular cars remaining on the road.
I agree with all your points. I also can't wait for the next crop of battery tech that will further drop prices, drop weight and increase the range of EVs. We're already a long way from the Tesla Roadster
I’m from metro Detroit. I have an electric rate which is reduced from 7 PM - overnight - until 11 AM on weekdays, and the reduced rate applies to all day on weekends too. 13+ cents per kwh. At this rate if my EV gets 3 mi/kwh, this means 4.3 cents per mile, which equals out to about 75 mi per US gallon. In warmer months, I’ll be getting closer to 4 mi/kwh, which equals out to about 100 mpg. Hybrid cars are good, but you can’t beat an EV that’s charged at this electric rate, even with a hybrid.
@@dennislyon5412 we have flat charging in this neck of the woods. I still set the time to recharge overnight when the load is low. I really don't need to, from a finance POV, but my dad worked in the power company when I was growing up. Knowing what I know, I'd rather not add my high draw EV to the peak load mix.
My L2 chargers draws 7kw, which isn't crazy high at all, but still substantial for a residential load .
@@lawpolo- great on you to charge at night!
Fuel/electricity costs weren’t the driving factor moving me to purchase an EV. It was the performance and the technology along with not having to maintain a gas engine.
@@tonepilot I traded in my ICE when it was due for a maintenance bill that an EV wouldn't need. The power was a big reason, and the gas savings was the kicker.
The Canadian gov't incentive seems gone for now, but given that the running and maintenance costs are lower in an EV, and gas still seems as high as summer prices around here, the savings over ICE still stack up in the long run.
I think the problem with most of these comparisons is you’re comparing premium cars to normal cars. People who don’t just buy the cheapest reliable car have to buy premium gas. That usually cost around 1 dollar more than normal gas
You're right. Most people justify their reservations based on unfair comparisons. One of the reasons was due to a lack of options on the EV market, but that is rapidly changing.
These days it's easier to compare similar vehicles features and performance across the gas and EV lineup, if one is willing to be fair.
th-cam.com/users/shortsEfJmQDgZAho?si=-dC0FiPqukdTt1pY
This video shows how much driving conditions change the efficiency of the same car, and it also uses 12l/100km as the upper fuel comparison, which is still generous when considering performance SUVs.
Hi I have a question … did you have a TH-cam app in your Mach e?
@@carvlog-yr8gb the car does not have the TH-cam app
Gas is only cheap because governments subsidize billions of dollars every year for gas & oil industries. If there were no subsidies for oil & gas, it would cost 5x more to buy gas. Imagine $15 / gallon , or in Canada imagine $7 / L of gas !!!! Do your research, in total, governments have put 7 TRILLION dollars worth of subsidies into oil & gas. One day, if governments stop subsidies, expect oil and gas to go through the roof!
There's more to it than just that. 15% of the cost of gas is tax to fund the highway departments.
The electric company gives a rebate to charge at night. The cost with rebate is 2 cents/ kw
@@cooldude672 that's phenomenal!
cheaper to get a hybrid if you're talking about the purchase and insurance also
@@a124as purchased price for sure, Insurance tho, I haven't found to be higher honestly. The car has more safety features, which my company gives discounts for. The insurance got cheaper than my old gas car rate oddly enough.
@@lawpolowith Tesla model 3 new, my insurance (full coverage because financed) is almost exactly same as my bmw x5 10 years old that’s just basic coverage. $66 ton$58 respectively per month. Definitely not high for full coverage
@kariemmcfarlin5897 Insurance is tricky too. My insurance dropped when I got the Mach-e because the last car didn't have eyesight. It was a Subaru Impreza with a manual handbrake. The Mach-E is way more powerful and cheaper to run.
Where do you live? I will.move there. Electricity is a lot cheaper than gasoline by me. - Gen Z Republican
@@timsmith5133 The Atlantic provinces of Canada. Good electricity rates, but gas is pricy... Very pricy. It just made sense to ditch gas
Time to keep my 1984 325 running this new car crap is stupid. Cant even find nice leather in new cars ffs.
Running the old car you have into the ground is the ultimate money saving hack. Why make a car payment when you can maintain the car that you measure in smiles per mile.
Most of the old stuff will surely appreciate in value while every new EV depreciates faster than gas car rivals.
Customer leather seat covers could be a nice add on to any ride. I prefer cloth seats myself.