Regarding the line, "All of this started with the Toyota Prius, of course." However, the Prius was neither the first hybrid nor PHEV sold in the USA. My understanding is those distinctions go to the Honda Insight and Chevrolet Volt, respectively. The Prius was the first hybrid to sell in large quantity.
Available my foot. Manufacturers have been asleep at the wheel with PHEVs, completely blind to market demand. I'm in the market for one, and every dealership I've visited flat-out tells me they only get a few PHEVs in stock any given year, and are usually snapped up immediately with essentially a bidding war. However these same dealerships generally have a notable amount of unsold BEVs... that market was massively overestimated and totally saturated now. C'mon manufacturers, get your butts in gear and ramp up production of the PHEVs!
I own both a EV for just short commute around town and a PHEV for long distance. Both are Toyotas. I do prefer driving my EV as a daily driver, nothing like it vs engine providing power, just not as linear and instant torque without any drama.
We bought a "leftover" 2022 Jeep Summit 4xe in late 2023. With the tax credit and markdowns, it was less than a new conventional 2023 Jeep Grand Chrokee Limited and gets better mileage and way more HP when needed.
@@ejohnson3131 we have had a couple of recalls, but nothing major. We also have a 2014 "baby" Cherokee that has been great. Both are towable with our RV, which drove the decision (pun intended).
I’d focus in on price, range, efficiency and reliability. The Rav4 Prime does very well on all of those. I have a 21 SE and it’s been a great car. I wouldn’t consider a PHEV with range less than 30 miles.
The only plug-in PHEV, I would purchase has to be available with either a $3750 or $7500 rebate off the purchase price. All others, I wouldn’t even consider.
Just like with the bev ones that don't apply, or if you personally don't due to income, all will have that money taken out when you lease. So, get what you want and lease it.
prius has 44mi pure EV range. Also the Lexus variant does NOT have bigger battery pack. They have the same 18kwh battery pack as RAV4 Prime but because they are luxury automobile and heavier they get less pure EV range
I’ve on two plug-in hybrids both Chevy volts. Great cars, but then I switched to Tesla because of the complicated drivetrain in the Chevy. The Tesla has been trouble free for five years.
When did conventional wisdom in automotive manufacturing go from fewer parts is cheaper to as many as possible? It just seems like automakers are actually trying to make cars more complex.
there is nothing wrong with owning BEV. I first have the RAV4 Prime, I like the full ev driving so much I went and traded in my gas guzzler for a chevy bolt euv. the Bolt was amazing on full EV and we did a road trip with it. Then I traded in my BMW in for the tesla model Y long range, I have to say there is a learning curve for the tesla, but once you master it, it is amazing, especially the auto pilot.
Not for me and many others. I realized I was lugging around a few hundred pounds of extra stuff for the gas engine that I used to go an extra 45 miles once or twice a month. Next car will be bev.
I'm sorry but he is right. EVs are simply a niche market. PHEVs will work better for mainstream buyers. Personally, I prefer standard hybrids. There is nothing to plug in. That works for me.
It was bad marketing. Phev was always next logical step. Remove most of the regular maintenance of gas car. Extend the range. People slowly adopt using the battery for small range travel
Why fool yourself-just get a Toyota plug in hybrid-any model or hybrid in general-Toyota is the king of this segment-always has been-I had a 2008 Prius with over 320000 miles on it-same battery pack-every other brand is total trash just in this video John just mentioned.
currently getting 50 miles of range in my 2013 volt and wondering why anyone would take the massive hit in depreciation just to drive a new smelling, worse performing phev.
So last week "EVs sales are up, people says they are not, are missinformation" Today "While EV sales are down, PHEVs are up" Which is it mister propogandist?
@@FYMASMD ……Maybe in the Flyover states, NOT California. I remember when DVD players came out almost 40 years ago….the “regular, simple people” didn’t want to buy them either!!! 🤷🏼♂️🤔😎😂
Good God……am I the only one really annoyed with Jonathan’s voiceovers? I used to like him but it’s just unbearable now. I might be in the minority 🤷🏻♂️
Too dangerous. These batteries are rolling bombs. Takes too long to recharge for long distance travel. Don't touch the 240 volt power cord in the rain/snow or standing on the wet ground.
From a safety standpoint, EV’s are not the way to go. Having two choices of power is better than one. Hybrids are the way to go. Personally I would never buy an EV made by a petulant crybaby billionaire.
It really did make any sense to go full electric. Hybrid was always the way. Our homes run electricity made from fossil fuels. It makes sense to do same with vehicles
It's always good to see John Davis. I've been watching since 1985.
He has been the benchmark for all auto reviewers since the early eighties.
He belongs in the 80s…..his voiceovers are so annoying!!! I wonder who will takeover when he’s not around anymore.
Buy the Toyota PHEVs. Toyota knows what they are doing.
"So there you have it, the B's to V's of PHEV's"! Well put John Davis!
Really great segment. I had no idea there were so many PHEV options! Also good to hear ‘ol John Davis bustin some rhymes there at the end 😂
It's great to see John, the creator the original of car reviews!
Protect this man at all cost!
Very informative. Thank you. (MotorWeek was part of my pre-internet Saturday mornings in the 1980's on KPBS, San Diego, CA.)
3:13 The Mazdas are the CX-70 and CX-90. Not the CX-30.
We may see a CX-30 PHEV in the future. But you're right that there isn't one now.
One of MotorWeek's best videos! Extremely informative.
Regarding the line, "All of this started with the Toyota Prius, of course." However, the Prius was neither the first hybrid nor PHEV sold in the USA. My understanding is those distinctions go to the Honda Insight and Chevrolet Volt, respectively. The Prius was the first hybrid to sell in large quantity.
Available my foot. Manufacturers have been asleep at the wheel with PHEVs, completely blind to market demand.
I'm in the market for one, and every dealership I've visited flat-out tells me they only get a few PHEVs in stock any given year, and are usually snapped up immediately with essentially a bidding war.
However these same dealerships generally have a notable amount of unsold BEVs... that market was massively overestimated and totally saturated now.
C'mon manufacturers, get your butts in gear and ramp up production of the PHEVs!
Would like a to see the break even point over the plain hybrid and gas versions
I own both a EV for just short commute around town and a PHEV for long distance. Both are Toyotas. I do prefer driving my EV as a daily driver, nothing like it vs engine providing power, just not as linear and instant torque without any drama.
What vehicles?? Still reliable?
So why a PHEV if you are designating it as a long-distance option? Why not a standard hybrid? Seems like a lot of extra weight to carry?
@ both makes great options. I just happen to own a PHEV.
Awesome list
Terrific!
4:37 the Pacifica PHEV starts at $50k. Only the regular non-hybrid model is at $40k
We bought a "leftover" 2022 Jeep Summit 4xe in late 2023. With the tax credit and markdowns, it was less than a new conventional 2023 Jeep Grand Chrokee Limited and gets better mileage and way more HP when needed.
You’ll be regretting that. Soon.
@@FYMASMD I guess time will tell.
I like the way it looks but reliability has been a problem.
@@ejohnson3131 we have had a couple of recalls, but nothing major. We also have a 2014 "baby" Cherokee that has been great. Both are towable with our RV, which drove the decision (pun intended).
Buy the Toyota PHEVs. Toyota knows what they are doing.
Makes perfect sense.
I’d focus in on price, range, efficiency and reliability. The Rav4 Prime does very well on all of those. I have a 21 SE and it’s been a great car. I wouldn’t consider a PHEV with range less than 30 miles.
The only plug-in PHEV, I would purchase has to be available with either a $3750 or $7500 rebate off the purchase price. All others, I wouldn’t even consider.
Just like with the bev ones that don't apply, or if you personally don't due to income, all will have that money taken out when you lease. So, get what you want and lease it.
prius has 44mi pure EV range. Also the Lexus variant does NOT have bigger battery pack. They have the same 18kwh battery pack as RAV4 Prime but because they are luxury automobile and heavier they get less pure EV range
I’ve on two plug-in hybrids both Chevy volts. Great cars, but then I switched to Tesla because of the complicated drivetrain in the Chevy. The Tesla has been trouble free for five years.
When did conventional wisdom in automotive manufacturing go from fewer parts is cheaper to as many as possible? It just seems like automakers are actually trying to make cars more complex.
What about the RAV 4 Prime the best of the bunch!!
What in The Price is Right is this voice over
John Davis ❤
Tesla and other EV owners now can bring along the gas powered generators to qualify as Plug in Hybrid cars. LOL
there is nothing wrong with owning BEV. I first have the RAV4 Prime, I like the full ev driving so much I went and traded in my gas guzzler for a chevy bolt euv. the Bolt was amazing on full EV and we did a road trip with it. Then I traded in my BMW in for the tesla model Y long range, I have to say there is a learning curve for the tesla, but once you master it, it is amazing, especially the auto pilot.
i always want to see john davis healthy.🙏
These are expensive and the resale value wont fall fast enough. Maybe I would buy one used in 5 years.
Video covering HEV & PHEV offerings would have been nice.
um that new mazda plug in should be CX-70, not CX-30. that's pretty much an error
EV’s are a dead end. PHV’s are the future. Not starting vehicles
Not for me and many others. I realized I was lugging around a few hundred pounds of extra stuff for the gas engine that I used to go an extra 45 miles once or twice a month. Next car will be bev.
I'm sorry but he is right. EVs are simply a niche market. PHEVs will work better for mainstream buyers. Personally, I prefer standard hybrids. There is nothing to plug in. That works for me.
It was bad marketing. Phev was always next logical step. Remove most of the regular maintenance of gas car. Extend the range. People slowly adopt using the battery for small range travel
Outlander all day everyday.
just the tip.....
Why fool yourself-just get a Toyota plug in hybrid-any model or hybrid in general-Toyota is the king of this segment-always has been-I had a 2008 Prius with over
320000 miles on it-same battery pack-every other brand is total trash just in this video John just mentioned.
currently getting 50 miles of range in my 2013 volt and wondering why anyone would take the massive hit in depreciation just to drive a new smelling, worse performing phev.
Toyota, Mazda, and Mitsubishi.
PHEVs remind me of those “fill the gap” motorized seatbelts from 35 years ago until airbags were common. ……I’ll stick to my 400+ mile range Lucid! 😀😎🥂
So last week "EVs sales are up, people says they are not, are missinformation"
Today "While EV sales are down, PHEVs are up"
Which is it mister propogandist?
……My upscale neighborhood in L.A. has over 40 EVs in it (yes, I’ve counted, I go walking every morning). …..that’s just my ONE neighborhood. 🤷🏼♂️😎👌
@@eddieg6436 Brag much.
@@cardinaloflannagancr8929 Not bragging, making an observation……it’s SoCal! EVs are every other car!!
@@eddieg6436it’s a fact ev sales are weak
@@FYMASMD ……Maybe in the Flyover states, NOT California. I remember when DVD players came out almost 40 years ago….the “regular, simple people” didn’t want to buy them either!!! 🤷🏼♂️🤔😎😂
Im not a fan of EV's, PHEV's, hybrid's. Too expensive, and when they become well used they will be a nightmare and expensive to keep on the road
Hyundai and kia are dead. Lots of problems
No
Good God……am I the only one really annoyed with Jonathan’s voiceovers? I used to like him but it’s just unbearable now. I might be in the minority 🤷🏻♂️
You are.
@@thomasofone welp…you’re the only one to say so.
Too dangerous. These batteries are rolling bombs. Takes too long to recharge for long distance travel. Don't touch the 240 volt power cord in the rain/snow or standing on the wet ground.
From a safety standpoint, EV’s are not the way to go. Having two choices of power is better than one. Hybrids are the way to go. Personally I would never buy an EV made by a petulant crybaby billionaire.
It really did make any sense to go full electric. Hybrid was always the way. Our homes run electricity made from fossil fuels. It makes sense to do same with vehicles
Did = didn't