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The full mobility is definitely super useful. Impressive scans. Crazy to have so much power in a single purpose device. The tech is definitely trickling down very well. Love to see it. Hope for more videos soon!
Doooonnnn'ttt tempt me Frodo. For I would use the credit card (to purchase a Vega) for good.........But THROUGH me, it would hold a power too great and terrible to imagine.
Would be great to see a direct comparison for Motorsport/Automotive Engineering/Hacking between the Einstar and Vega. I'm interested in purchasing a scanner in the new year to use on an engine conversion, as well as design other parts for my vehicles. I'd been set on the Einstar based on your previous videos, but I didnt take away which was better for that application from this video (removing factors like portability and computer processing power).
First off, thanks for the Super Thanks!!! Cheers! Both would work from a volumetric standpoint, almost all on the market would. Einstar’s workflow is smoother with the tools, but scanning with the Vega is an easier experience. The key difference is the HD mode on the Vega, so if there are areas of detail you know you need, like engine mounts holes, then the Einstar will struggle to get a close up detail scan, (it’ll still do it but as part of a larger scan), but the Vega will get all the detail…
I have been talking to their engineers and they are working hard to push new features to the Vega. The 1.2 release was a huge upgrade, and the stuff coming next month in 1.3 will be really nice. They are also planning to bring the Vega into ExStar in the next few months.
Yeah, I heard the same, this only really benefits people with an Einstar tho, but it is good how Shining3D will develop the software and benefit everyone with the Hardware
Id love to see you do a revisit of the Creality Otter and Raptor, now that they are both wireless. Also they both have had heaps of software updates and now have a global marker system. Love ya work!!! :)
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I picked up a Vega from their presale, I absolutely agree with your review. I've tried other tethered scanners in the past and the Vega is so much easier and faster to get a nice usable scan.
@MakingforMotorsport you're one of my favorite TH-camrs. I wanted to see your review of the Vega before I picked it up but I couldn't wait, haha. The Vega and PC software have been getting frequent updates and new features added. I am hoping to be able to define planes in Starvision at some point to make models easier to import into Fusion.
It depends on regular consumer. I consider my self a professional 3d cad modeled, but I also do it for fun and I know many others who do cad for fun and not work, but my opinion is a 3d scanner can make a regular consumer night and day type of tool think of calipers but the calipers are flexible and accurate on curves and objects
There are cheaper models and now most are functional and usable, I haven’t used the Ferret from Creality so I can’t recommend it but there are reviews out there.
If you have already have a powerful PC then you could save money with the einstar prosumer. Generally regarded as the best all around scanner. Other than that, I would stick to the Revopoint brand. It seems scanning software is the biggest make or break for scanners and the revopoint software seems to be the only comparable option. I have high hopes for the new MetroX I ordered, but they also have some cheaper options in the range/pop3/mini depending on what you're doing, and the size of scans you're trying to make you could look at some reviews.
@@jessec1648oh God don't go revopoint. I've used every one from the pop 2 to the miraco, including the mini 2, they all give terrible quality scans because the software that works with their point clouds is junk. They sell toys, not professional grade tools. Don't be me, don't waste all that money chasing crappy scanners, get something good and enjoy it.
Been waiting for more from you! Find it a bit strange you sleep with your 3D scanner, but to each their own eh? I recently bough a CR-Scan Ferret SE because I got it new for only $150 which is a crazy good deal. I'm actually really surprised at how well it works! Still need to do more testing, but for a lot of basic stuff, can't beat it for the price.
Yeah finally got my life sorted, new house, new garage! I’ve not tried the Ferret but for $150 you can’t go wrong! Glad you’re having a play… Anyway, how’s that V10 Impreza coming along? 🤞🧐
@MakingforMotorsport SO SLOW! It's still happening though. 3D printed throttle body and other parts incoming. Will be making some content with the scanner. Seems to me when it launched it wasn't great, largely due to the software, but firmware and software updates have made it a lot better. I was able to get two pretty solid scans of a coffee cup and a super glue bottle on my desk in a few minutes of shoddy work. 😂 Congrats on the new place!
I’d love to be able to do that. The difficulty is that it’s hard to have a datum, as it’s hard to measure something the size of a car with greater accuracy and less variation than the scanner itself!
Would you recommand this above the Creality Raptor with the blue laser? Wiring is not worring me at all, I just want the most detailed scans possible for reverse engineering and more accurate 3D prints.
It depends what you are doing, the Blue Laser on the Raptor is great for the money, but if you want to do big stuff there are better scanners…. My next video out is using scans to model off and you’ll see the tiny resolution is always required or even wanted…
This review is missing a direct comparison between the gearbox scanned on the original Einstar vs Vega. To me it looks like the mesh is worse on the Vega (maybe the integrated GPU on the Vega can not process so much data). I got an Einstar last year based on your recommendation and it works great!
The Einstar is great, and will continue to be, and to be honest, if you have a workshop, most of the subject come to you and you already have a laptop that’ll run it, you probably don’t need this. But if you value mobility? It’s a cracker!
It is a long one, but l always try to get a full scan and process in there, realtime, so everybody can see the process, unfiltered. Unfortunately that means all my reviews are long but I figure that If someone is gonna spend £5-600 or £1500 they should have all the info.
Great review, the 'finding planes' bit is bothering, as a design engineer as it's fundamental. What's the simplest workaround to do this post-processing (software)? Your channel is great!
Very few of the consumer level scanners offer it, only the Einstar. That said the best software for doing this is ZEISS Inspect…. It’s a proper piece of metrology software and driven by statistics. It does 3,2,1 alignments, fitting planes, bores and cylinders. Everything you need. Check out my “Measuring 3-D scans” video. It is a learning curve to master and useful for complex scans but, it’s an extra step, takes time, especially if all you want to do is align it to XYZ
i'm looking to buy a 3d scanner, your videos are soo usefull. i would like to know what your tinking between the Vega and the Raptor. i kind of tinking the raptor is a little bit better beside the wireless and a bit better software from the vega
The Raptor is 80% of the large format scanner that the VEGA is, but the VEGA is 80% of the fine detail scanner that the Raptor is…. And the wireless bridge for the Raptor gives it wireless but you need a laptop. As always it comes down to your needs as a user… but the VEGA is probably more flexible than most.
Considering how low the prices of the original Einstar have dropped. Is it really worth spending extra 💰to get the vega if you mostly do Automotive work?
This looks very good. I think they're missing a trick by not including the software to find planes and coordinate systems though. Anyone wanting to use it for engineering applications wants those features, even if they have to pay a little more for them. The fact that Einstar don't seem to replace the hardware with a newer version every few months like just about all the competition appeals too. I'm sceptical about how long the competition will support their products with software updates for, when they change the hardware so often.
It’s a different business model with Shining3D, they are still very much a Business to Business company and they are still building their consumer offering. Like you say, some manufacturers treat them like iPhones, with a glut of models, but Shining off a decent product that works and then support it…. And it needs the plane detect and re-orientate the model, would put clear daylight between the VEGA and the competition
@@MakingforMotorsport Thanks. I've been watching yours and others' reviews of all the affordable scanners, as it's only a matter of time before I buy one to replace my old David / HP 3D scan system. Your reviews always show the testing which is most relevant to what I'd be using it for.
nice review, thank you. what would be you opinion using this for maybe even bigger objects, like house interiors in let say lower resolution in terms of accuracy of 0,5-1cm or so to gain on speed? would something like this be manageable, any chance to do video or quick test on this?
Which scanner would you choose, EinStar or Raptor, for scanning larger objects like car engines or cargo boxes of vans for camper projects? Thank you for your response, best regards from Poland!
isn't scanning the figurine that came with it a bit like taking a picture of the moon with a samsung phone? Pretty sure the model would already exist in the systems rom. Cut one of its arms off and scratch the bugger up and if these changes are reflected I'll take it back! lol
Wow! I did not know Samsung did that…. I mean, in the Vegas case you can see the point cloud build realtime along with the turntable. And I can also reprocess at various quality levels aswell. Plus it scans other stuff in exactly the same way… I’ve gotta believe it’s be harder to fake it scanning rather than just have it scan….
Tempting ... I love my Shining3D scanners, both the Einscan SP and the Einstar. Seeing your review I'm like "great, but is is going to cost a lot ..." so I was surprised to see it's 'only' 1800 EURO. Still... if I add another scanner, I rather have a laser scanner. I played around a bit with the Einscan HX2 and yes: 10,000 EURO is not cheap but I really played around with that one, making strange and irregular moves over a large aluminium part. It was very good at keeping up with my attempts to break it 😁 For professional use, where time equals real money, this could become my go-to solution for quality control in production.
Hi Rob, I have mixed feelings about spending £10k on a big boy scanner because of the back to back results I got from the Vega and HX. I scanned a key, the Vega smashed it, even on the thin edges. Laser mode on the HX took alot of effort and didn't do well at all. I also scanned an M16 bolt. The threads came up amazing on the Vega. Again the HX struggled in laser mode. If you want to have quick and easy fun. Get the Vega. If you need accuracy on a large object like a car or large bit of machinery. Get a HX. The Vega has been a great addition to the company I work at, from a safety point of view, I'm not dragging a heavy flight case with laptop, power bank and scanner. I can get to the highest point of the factory without breaking a sweat or straining myself. Do I need accuracy? Not yet. I always double check measurements with a set of calipers. The scans are there as a guideline in fusion for me to work around. Just having that 3d representation is enough for me at work and at home. I don't see the immediate benefits of an expensive scanner. Designing body kits for a car will not pose a problem with the Vega. The surface is accurate enough to 3d print and fit 👌
@@davecoggan9619 Hi Dave, thanks for the detailed reply. One thing is sure: I will only buy a new scanner after being able to validate that the scanner does what I need it to do, so that means a visit to a dealer where I can try out the scanner on my parts. We make bicycles, bicycles frame and parts like cranks and chain-rings. I do have a granite table with measurement equipment to perform manual measurements like flatness, parallelism and basic measurements but I cannot fit, or measure, a frame or even a complete bike on it. Scanning a frame is one option to capture and measure parameters like wheel alignment and any twist in the frame in a way that leaves no room for subjective ("looks good" style) measurements. We had a few issues with customers having vague complaints about the frame not being correct. Scanning and comparing to what was measured during production is a way to see what is going on. Just two weeks ago we had an issue with a prototype frame that seemed to have been broken. We spent way too much time on this and in the end discovered this was an issue with titanium tubes that were damages during transport - even before we used it. We have 3 more tubes with the same issue. If possible I do not want to use any scanning spray and I do want the accuracy so I think the HX with its blue laser is the best option. Not being able to scan small parts with the HX is not an issue for me. That is what I have the Einscan SP for. I use this regularly to scan parts like brake calipers and other parts so we can include those in our CAD models. Again, thanks for your detailed information and be assured that I will not buy an expensive scanner before being able to make some scans with our parts at a local dealer.
Good review as always, but if you're aiming to go faster for less money it would be good to know if any of the scanners you review support Linux. Also I see the cloud thing as convenient right up until they go under and turn their servers off, at which point this could become a very expensive brick.
Good question with the Linux… I will find out! And there is no need to transfer through the cloud, you can transfer via USB-C. I am going to look into the registration aspect and cloud bit and report back!!!! Keep your eyes open for a short!
So two questions: - will Einstar Vega replace your Einstar, - and can't you take the scanned data from the Einstar Vega into the Exstar software for the Einstar if you have both scanners?
Looks like a great bit of kit - however, for me, it doesn't really fit with the "Maximum Speed / Minimum Money" motto. But as these things go, prices will drop over time.
I mean, as far as 3D scanners go, this is still pretty much minimum money, but I know exactly what you’re saying… I’m gonna go back to techniques and making in the next video, hopefully fits the bill a bit more!
It’s a tough shout. The Raptor, with the laser mode does stuff this just can’t, but the Raptor NIR mode isn’t as good, so it depends on your most common use case. Compared the Einstar, the VEGA has it soundly beaten on small items, and it’s relatively close on larger items, but on the larger items, the VEGA has the edge on usability as portability is extra useful on large items. And if you want to scan things outside of the workshop it’s a slam dunk.
Ahhhh. the new TH-cam AI Voice Over give you a creepy female voice on german. They turn this feature on without the knowing of the creators. You can change that in the settings ^^ To the Video - thank you for testing. Was waiting for that :D
@@MakingforMotorsport lool xDDDDD You can select it right side on settings and audio track :D Ok Vega looks promising . I love that you make measurements. Without that, reviews of a 3d scanner make not that much sense in my opinion ^^
Tienes un coche de rally y tienes varios escáneres 3d, ¿porque no haces videos haciendo piezas para ellos? He visto que en el mg tienes focos de larga distancia, diseña algo para ellos para que se integren mas en la carroceria, otro aleron, aletines mas anchos, piezas del interior... Saludos.
Honestly, the one you can afford…. You get a smoother experience with the VEGA, and the downside (less tools in the software than Einstar) is something that Shining are working on.
I wish the development of handling scan data in Fusion was going at least half the speed of the scanner development. Or maybe the payed version is much better.
Cedric! Good to hear from you! 👍 The paid version is not any better with meshes unfortunately, you just need to keep the detail you need, and decimate the rest….
@MakingforMotorsport so all the extra detail is just throwing pearls before the swine 😂 Though the good tracking of large Scans is definitely making stuff easier. I still use my ol Lizard around the garage, the process is not limited by the scanner, rather the labour that comes after it in CAD, nowdays i only use Fusion not Catia, and it struggles to work with detailed meshes, and it would be nice to have better reverse engineering tools for sure. But to get references it works ok.
Ive been saving for the $6800 one... I was super disappointed with everything revopoint offers (ive got from pop 2 to miraco including mini 2, they all work like trash, terrible scan quality) Is this thing significantly.more accurate than their offerings or should i just keep saving up for the einstar V2? Hoping to do accurate scans of small objects, though some large objects occasionally. Ahh it seems like for my small objects id need to keep saving. I need those intense details because im working with parts that need to mesh perfectly.
This isn’t a RevoPoint Scanner, it’s from Shining3D and isn’t a toy. If you want ultimate small detail resolution then realistically you need something based on blue laser tech. Scanners with that tech are either the Creality Raptor or the Einscan Hx2. The Metro from RevoPoint does also but I’ve not used it, so can’t comment on it
The one I was looking at getting was the einscan pro 2X . It's just gonna take me a long time to save for, probably another 4 to 6 months. I've only got 1500 saved so far. I know these aren't revopoint scanners, I'm glad they arent, the revopoint scanners I've used are junk, even the mini 2 which supposedly does the blue light thing still washes out every bit of real detail and where it doesn't it covers it in orange peel. I was just wondering if this one is still in the toy grade or if it's more of a professional machine like the 2x is.
Can you use the software without going through their cloud service? Having to sign in just to use the desktop software is a huge red flag - is there an option to use it without signing in? If it's cloud only and requires signing in just to use, that's an immediate no-go.
Funnily enough I’ve been speaking to the Shining3D team about the VEGA recently and they recommended the Libre instead. That’s.. a whole different budget entirely 😂
Amazing: probably the first scanner that would make sense to someone who doesn’t see 3D scanning as a hobby in itself I haven’t looked yet, but hoping it isn’t going to cost mega bucks…
Idk what you messed up with the video title. But it looks like your translation version is wrong. It says "Finale" as video title. Nothing more. Posting this video somewhere else i see the actual title.
I really hope they will add the ability to switch between fast and HD mode in the same scan, I really miss that functionality from the Miraco. So far having used both I like the miraco better. Although the vega does seem smoother while scanning. The battery life seems even worse than the miraco though.
I’ve not tested the Miraco so I can’t comment I’m afraid, and whilst you can merge the two modes in Starvision, that adds extra post-processing and friction. Shining3D being who they are, it’s likely they will stick with the hardware and develop the software 👍
🚙 You should make stronger custom Jaguar 🐆 X-Type 3D printed gearbox for modified Jag X-Type cars, (3.0L V6 engine model with all wheel drive)The X-Type Jaguar cars have a weak gearbox & the factory set load bearing is a incorrect adjustment.Maybe the entire Japanese 🇯🇵 factory Jatco AWD system will have to be modified for a more powerful race engine.
I get what you are saying. But when you consider that I spent £2k on a laptop to make my “much cheaper” scanners mobile, instead of £600 on a desktop machine…
I think they've missed a trick by not doing something like a Raptor X. I would trade my einstar and raptor in for a raptor X especially with the better einstar software and support
@@MakingforMotorsport I just can't believe this is marketed towards hobbyists at that price point. If it were marketed towards small businesses or someone making money with it then sure I guess it makes sense, but it just seems like they're trying to sell a rolex to someone who needs a fitbit. The other crazy thing is it doesn't really seem to produce better scans to me, I saw your car scan I've gotten similar results with far less effort from photogrammetry. The only disadvantage to photogrammetry is for accuracy you would likely need to put in your own scaling factor, but taking one measurement by hand is surely quicker than peppering something in targets or ensuring you're always scanning from 1.5m and never any further away, or trying to make sure you never lose the tracking and all this other nonsense you had to do with the scanner. For photogrammetry I just take a video while walking around the car, and then the software extracts the frames for me, distance and whatever else be damned, the scan takes a couple minutes with no prep needed. Some people can afford it, but some people just having more money than sense isn't a great sell either IMHO 😅. Surely those same people have other things they'd rather spend their money on, some machining tools or maybe a 3D printer for example. Even if you have money to burn it seems like there's better uses. I'm not trying to be rude, I'm just flabbergasted that anyone would pay this much for this when it can be done (seemingly) just as well for free.
@@MakingforMotorsport @JD-ub5ic We are definitely close to the argument similar to 3D printers with scanners. Is your hobby scanning and messing with software or is this to support your hobby?
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The full mobility is definitely super useful. Impressive scans. Crazy to have so much power in a single purpose device. The tech is definitely trickling down very well. Love to see it. Hope for more videos soon!
I’m working on the next one right now! 😘
@MakingforMotorsport Boo yaaah!
Thanks!
Cheers Rick! Many thanks!
Oh my god. It's christmas! I've spent enough money already!!
I know the feeling!
Doooonnnn'ttt tempt me Frodo. For I would use the credit card (to purchase a Vega) for good.........But THROUGH me, it would hold a power too great and terrible to imagine.
Would be great to see a direct comparison for Motorsport/Automotive Engineering/Hacking between the Einstar and Vega. I'm interested in purchasing a scanner in the new year to use on an engine conversion, as well as design other parts for my vehicles. I'd been set on the Einstar based on your previous videos, but I didnt take away which was better for that application from this video (removing factors like portability and computer processing power).
First off, thanks for the Super Thanks!!! Cheers!
Both would work from a volumetric standpoint, almost all on the market would. Einstar’s workflow is smoother with the tools, but scanning with the Vega is an easier experience.
The key difference is the HD mode on the Vega, so if there are areas of detail you know you need, like engine mounts holes, then the Einstar will struggle to get a close up detail scan, (it’ll still do it but as part of a larger scan), but the Vega will get all the detail…
I have been talking to their engineers and they are working hard to push new features to the Vega. The 1.2 release was a huge upgrade, and the stuff coming next month in 1.3 will be really nice.
They are also planning to bring the Vega into ExStar in the next few months.
@@APEX.86 if we get exstar, this would be an amazing addition
Yeah, I heard the same, this only really benefits people with an Einstar tho, but it is good how Shining3D will develop the software and benefit everyone with the Hardware
Thanks so much... You've really answered all the questions I'd have had. Got to start saving up for one!
Cheers bud, glad to hear the video has done the job!
lol what an intro
This truly cracked me up!
The idea is idiotic, the acting atrocious and the production pathetic… I think I did well 😁
Id love to see you do a revisit of the Creality Otter and Raptor, now that they are both wireless.
Also they both have had heaps of software updates and now have a global marker system.
Love ya work!!!
:)
The raptorx is the wireless version and it is$5000
I am planning on doing a scanner round up early next year, hopefully I can incorporate all their improvements, including the wireless bridge 👍
Top notch intro!
Cheers bud! Not like my normal but thought it’d be fun 😂
Great review.Thanks
Thanks for watching!
I'm not gonna watch the video cause I don't care about 3d scanners, but gave a like for the solid intro!😝
My man! 👍👍👍
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Unfortunately my Sam Jackson impression may have got the channel cancelled 😂🤦♂️
I picked up a Vega from their presale, I absolutely agree with your review. I've tried other tethered scanners in the past and the Vega is so much easier and faster to get a nice usable scan.
It’s super easy and user friendly. Thanks for comment 👍
@MakingforMotorsport you're one of my favorite TH-camrs. I wanted to see your review of the Vega before I picked it up but I couldn't wait, haha. The Vega and PC software have been getting frequent updates and new features added. I am hoping to be able to define planes in Starvision at some point to make models easier to import into Fusion.
Real good vid! Thx
Glad you liked it!
Is there a scanner that's a bit more....affordable for the rare occasion a regular consumer would need one?
It depends on regular consumer. I consider my self a professional 3d cad modeled, but I also do it for fun and I know many others who do cad for fun and not work, but my opinion is a 3d scanner can make a regular consumer night and day type of tool think of calipers but the calipers are flexible and accurate on curves and objects
There are cheaper models and now most are functional and usable, I haven’t used the Ferret from Creality so I can’t recommend it but there are reviews out there.
If you have already have a powerful PC then you could save money with the einstar prosumer. Generally regarded as the best all around scanner. Other than that, I would stick to the Revopoint brand. It seems scanning software is the biggest make or break for scanners and the revopoint software seems to be the only comparable option. I have high hopes for the new MetroX I ordered, but they also have some cheaper options in the range/pop3/mini depending on what you're doing, and the size of scans you're trying to make you could look at some reviews.
If it's a rare occasion finding someone near you who has one and paying them to do a scan is the best option.
@@jessec1648oh God don't go revopoint. I've used every one from the pop 2 to the miraco, including the mini 2, they all give terrible quality scans because the software that works with their point clouds is junk. They sell toys, not professional grade tools. Don't be me, don't waste all that money chasing crappy scanners, get something good and enjoy it.
Been waiting for more from you! Find it a bit strange you sleep with your 3D scanner, but to each their own eh? I recently bough a CR-Scan Ferret SE because I got it new for only $150 which is a crazy good deal. I'm actually really surprised at how well it works! Still need to do more testing, but for a lot of basic stuff, can't beat it for the price.
Yeah finally got my life sorted, new house, new garage! I’ve not tried the Ferret but for $150 you can’t go wrong! Glad you’re having a play…
Anyway, how’s that V10 Impreza coming along? 🤞🧐
@MakingforMotorsport SO SLOW! It's still happening though. 3D printed throttle body and other parts incoming. Will be making some content with the scanner. Seems to me when it launched it wasn't great, largely due to the software, but firmware and software updates have made it a lot better. I was able to get two pretty solid scans of a coffee cup and a super glue bottle on my desk in a few minutes of shoddy work. 😂 Congrats on the new place!
Great review! would be good to see the accuracy of it in fast mode over the length/width of the car.
I’d love to be able to do that. The difficulty is that it’s hard to have a datum, as it’s hard to measure something the size of a car with greater accuracy and less variation than the scanner itself!
@MakingforMotorsport Could you use the car manufacturer specs for length and width?
Good video, did I miss it, but can you export the models and if so in what format?
You didn’t miss it, I forgot to add… you can export mesh as .obj or .stl and the pointcloud as .ply
Would you recommand this above the Creality Raptor with the blue laser? Wiring is not worring me at all, I just want the most detailed scans possible for reverse engineering and more accurate 3D prints.
It depends what you are doing, the Blue Laser on the Raptor is great for the money, but if you want to do big stuff there are better scanners….
My next video out is using scans to model off and you’ll see the tiny resolution is always required or even wanted…
This review is missing a direct comparison between the gearbox scanned on the original Einstar vs Vega. To me it looks like the mesh is worse on the Vega (maybe the integrated GPU on the Vega can not process so much data). I got an Einstar last year based on your recommendation and it works great!
The Einstar is great, and will continue to be, and to be honest, if you have a workshop, most of the subject come to you and you already have a laptop that’ll run it, you probably don’t need this.
But if you value mobility? It’s a cracker!
Quite a long video, haha, but definitely worth watching! The large scanner seems much more efficient than other scanners
It is a long one, but l always try to get a full scan and process in there, realtime, so everybody can see the process, unfiltered.
Unfortunately that means all my reviews are long but I figure that If someone is gonna spend £5-600 or £1500 they should have all the info.
I really like the long reviews!@@MakingforMotorsport
Cheers bud👍
Looks very cool! How about this vs the otter or raptor with the wireless handle and your phone?
I have the wireless handle in a box… gonna get on it after Xmas
Great review, the 'finding planes' bit is bothering, as a design engineer as it's fundamental. What's the simplest workaround to do this post-processing (software)? Your channel is great!
Very few of the consumer level scanners offer it, only the Einstar. That said the best software for doing this is ZEISS Inspect…. It’s a proper piece of metrology software and driven by statistics.
It does 3,2,1 alignments, fitting planes, bores and cylinders. Everything you need. Check out my “Measuring 3-D scans” video.
It is a learning curve to master and useful for complex scans but, it’s an extra step, takes time, especially if all you want to do is align it to XYZ
@@MakingforMotorsport Many thanks indeed, the Zeiss Inspect software is free in its limited form.
Music in the beginning reminds me on hellraiser
The acting reminds me of a forest!
Another beautiful day at last. (It's nighttime...)
Winter in England….. looks very similar to summer 😂
@@MakingforMotorsport You can tell the difference because the rain is warmer in summer.
i'm looking to buy a 3d scanner, your videos are soo usefull. i would like to know what your tinking between the Vega and the Raptor. i kind of tinking the raptor is a little bit better beside the wireless and a bit better software from the vega
The Raptor is 80% of the large format scanner that the VEGA is, but the VEGA is 80% of the fine detail scanner that the Raptor is…. And the wireless bridge for the Raptor gives it wireless but you need a laptop.
As always it comes down to your needs as a user… but the VEGA is probably more flexible than most.
Considering how low the prices of the original Einstar have dropped. Is it really worth spending extra 💰to get the vega if you mostly do Automotive work?
Sounds good.
Hopefully I can find 2k that I don't need for other things in next years budget.
There are always other things to buy especially for race/rally cars… 🤷♂️
This looks very good. I think they're missing a trick by not including the software to find planes and coordinate systems though. Anyone wanting to use it for engineering applications wants those features, even if they have to pay a little more for them. The fact that Einstar don't seem to replace the hardware with a newer version every few months like just about all the competition appeals too. I'm sceptical about how long the competition will support their products with software updates for, when they change the hardware so often.
It’s a different business model with Shining3D, they are still very much a Business to Business company and they are still building their consumer offering.
Like you say, some manufacturers treat them like iPhones, with a glut of models, but Shining off a decent product that works and then support it….
And it needs the plane detect and re-orientate the model, would put clear daylight between the VEGA and the competition
@@MakingforMotorsport Thanks. I've been watching yours and others' reviews of all the affordable scanners, as it's only a matter of time before I buy one to replace my old David / HP 3D scan system. Your reviews always show the testing which is most relevant to what I'd be using it for.
Still waiting for your Raptor review. Hope it would happen since we are gathered here for motorsport fabrication
The Raptor review is out and has been for a while… the RaptorX is lurking in its box and will be coming after Christmas 👍👍👍
nice review, thank you. what would be you opinion using this for maybe even bigger objects, like house interiors in let say lower resolution in terms of accuracy of 0,5-1cm or so to gain on speed? would something like this be manageable, any chance to do video or quick test on this?
I have used it to scan furniture and sections of rooms just playing about. It does that well enough…. I may do a short on it
@@MakingforMotorsport nice, thank you.
Would you recommend using this on vans ie crafters transporters etc roofs and loading areas
I think this would be a great choice for that. Especially with the 12mm markers that make scanning large featureless areas accurately very easy
Which scanner would you choose, EinStar or Raptor, for scanning larger objects like car engines or cargo boxes of vans for camper projects? Thank you for your response, best regards from Poland!
For that job I would choose the Einstar, it’s NIR mode is better than the raptor and you won’t make use of the Raptors Lazer mode
isn't scanning the figurine that came with it a bit like taking a picture of the moon with a samsung phone? Pretty sure the model would already exist in the systems rom. Cut one of its arms off and scratch the bugger up and if these changes are reflected I'll take it back! lol
Wow! I did not know Samsung did that…. I mean, in the Vegas case you can see the point cloud build realtime along with the turntable. And I can also reprocess at various quality levels aswell. Plus it scans other stuff in exactly the same way…
I’ve gotta believe it’s be harder to fake it scanning rather than just have it scan….
Tempting ... I love my Shining3D scanners, both the Einscan SP and the Einstar. Seeing your review I'm like "great, but is is going to cost a lot ..." so I was surprised to see it's 'only' 1800 EURO. Still... if I add another scanner, I rather have a laser scanner. I played around a bit with the Einscan HX2 and yes: 10,000 EURO is not cheap but I really played around with that one, making strange and irregular moves over a large aluminium part. It was very good at keeping up with my attempts to break it 😁
For professional use, where time equals real money, this could become my go-to solution for quality control in production.
Hi Rob, Dave from Dc3D loves his Vega and has played with a HX2 at work, @davecoggan9619
Hi Rob, I have mixed feelings about spending £10k on a big boy scanner because of the back to back results I got from the Vega and HX.
I scanned a key, the Vega smashed it, even on the thin edges. Laser mode on the HX took alot of effort and didn't do well at all.
I also scanned an M16 bolt. The threads came up amazing on the Vega. Again the HX struggled in laser mode.
If you want to have quick and easy fun. Get the Vega. If you need accuracy on a large object like a car or large bit of machinery. Get a HX.
The Vega has been a great addition to the company I work at, from a safety point of view, I'm not dragging a heavy flight case with laptop, power bank and scanner. I can get to the highest point of the factory without breaking a sweat or straining myself.
Do I need accuracy? Not yet. I always double check measurements with a set of calipers. The scans are there as a guideline in fusion for me to work around. Just having that 3d representation is enough for me at work and at home. I don't see the immediate benefits of an expensive scanner. Designing body kits for a car will not pose a problem with the Vega. The surface is accurate enough to 3d print and fit 👌
Jesus! That comment was nearly as long as this video!
@@MakingforMotorsport I can talk just as much waffle as you can!
@@davecoggan9619 Hi Dave, thanks for the detailed reply.
One thing is sure: I will only buy a new scanner after being able to validate that the scanner does what I need it to do, so that means a visit to a dealer where I can try out the scanner on my parts.
We make bicycles, bicycles frame and parts like cranks and chain-rings.
I do have a granite table with measurement equipment to perform manual measurements like flatness, parallelism and basic measurements but I cannot fit, or measure, a frame or even a complete bike on it. Scanning a frame is one option to capture and measure parameters like wheel alignment and any twist in the frame in a way that leaves no room for subjective ("looks good" style) measurements.
We had a few issues with customers having vague complaints about the frame not being correct. Scanning and comparing to what was measured during production is a way to see what is going on. Just two weeks ago we had an issue with a prototype frame that seemed to have been broken. We spent way too much time on this and in the end discovered this was an issue with titanium tubes that were damages during transport - even before we used it. We have 3 more tubes with the same issue.
If possible I do not want to use any scanning spray and I do want the accuracy so I think the HX with its blue laser is the best option.
Not being able to scan small parts with the HX is not an issue for me. That is what I have the Einscan SP for. I use this regularly to scan parts like brake calipers and other parts so we can include those in our CAD models.
Again, thanks for your detailed information and be assured that I will not buy an expensive scanner before being able to make some scans with our parts at a local dealer.
Good review as always, but if you're aiming to go faster for less money it would be good to know if any of the scanners you review support Linux.
Also I see the cloud thing as convenient right up until they go under and turn their servers off, at which point this could become a very expensive brick.
Good question with the Linux… I will find out! And there is no need to transfer through the cloud, you can transfer via USB-C. I am going to look into the registration aspect and cloud bit and report back!!!!
Keep your eyes open for a short!
So two questions:
- will Einstar Vega replace your Einstar,
- and can't you take the scanned data from the Einstar Vega into the Exstar software for the Einstar if you have both scanners?
Will is replace my Einstar? Yes.
Can you pull data into ExStar? Yes, I think. But it’s not a smooth integration. I believe that is a planned upgrade…
Looks like a great bit of kit - however, for me, it doesn't really fit with the "Maximum Speed / Minimum Money" motto. But as these things go, prices will drop over time.
I mean, as far as 3D scanners go, this is still pretty much minimum money, but I know exactly what you’re saying…
I’m gonna go back to techniques and making in the next video, hopefully fits the bill a bit more!
Do your reckon this is better than the raptor? Or a Einstar on offer, better value?
It’s a tough shout. The Raptor, with the laser mode does stuff this just can’t, but the Raptor NIR mode isn’t as good, so it depends on your most common use case.
Compared the Einstar, the VEGA has it soundly beaten on small items, and it’s relatively close on larger items, but on the larger items, the VEGA has the edge on usability as portability is extra useful on large items. And if you want to scan things outside of the workshop it’s a slam dunk.
Ahhhh. the new TH-cam AI Voice Over give you a creepy female voice on german.
They turn this feature on without the knowing of the creators. You can change that in the settings ^^
To the Video - thank you for testing. Was waiting for that :D
I’ve been turned into a creepy German woman??? I’ve gotta hear this! 😂
@@MakingforMotorsport lool xDDDDD
You can select it right side on settings and audio track :D
Ok Vega looks promising . I love that you make measurements. Without that, reviews of a 3d scanner make not that much sense in my opinion ^^
Tienes un coche de rally y tienes varios escáneres 3d, ¿porque no haces videos haciendo piezas para ellos? He visto que en el mg tienes focos de larga distancia, diseña algo para ellos para que se integren mas en la carroceria, otro aleron, aletines mas anchos, piezas del interior... Saludos.
I have a rally and Autotest car… next video is making something 😉
So realisticly which one is a better buy? This for 2.2k or the otter for 700?
Honestly, the one you can afford….
You get a smoother experience with the VEGA, and the downside (less tools in the software than Einstar) is something that Shining are working on.
I wish the development of handling scan data in Fusion was going at least half the speed of the scanner development. Or maybe the payed version is much better.
Cedric! Good to hear from you! 👍
The paid version is not any better with meshes unfortunately, you just need to keep the detail you need, and decimate the rest….
@MakingforMotorsport so all the extra detail is just throwing pearls before the swine 😂 Though the good tracking of large Scans is definitely making stuff easier. I still use my ol Lizard around the garage, the process is not limited by the scanner, rather the labour that comes after it in CAD, nowdays i only use Fusion not Catia, and it struggles to work with detailed meshes, and it would be nice to have better reverse engineering tools for sure. But to get references it works ok.
“Throwing pearls before the swine” 😂😂😂. Love it
Ive been saving for the $6800 one... I was super disappointed with everything revopoint offers (ive got from pop 2 to miraco including mini 2, they all work like trash, terrible scan quality)
Is this thing significantly.more accurate than their offerings or should i just keep saving up for the einstar V2? Hoping to do accurate scans of small objects, though some large objects occasionally.
Ahh it seems like for my small objects id need to keep saving. I need those intense details because im working with parts that need to mesh perfectly.
This isn’t a RevoPoint Scanner, it’s from Shining3D and isn’t a toy.
If you want ultimate small detail resolution then realistically you need something based on blue laser tech. Scanners with that tech are either the Creality Raptor or the Einscan Hx2.
The Metro from RevoPoint does also but I’ve not used it, so can’t comment on it
The one I was looking at getting was the einscan pro 2X . It's just gonna take me a long time to save for, probably another 4 to 6 months. I've only got 1500 saved so far. I know these aren't revopoint scanners, I'm glad they arent, the revopoint scanners I've used are junk, even the mini 2 which supposedly does the blue light thing still washes out every bit of real detail and where it doesn't it covers it in orange peel. I was just wondering if this one is still in the toy grade or if it's more of a professional machine like the 2x is.
can you use the system completely offline, without accounts and cloud (obviously a wire will be needed)? If you need the cloud, it's a no go for me.
You can the unit, I don’t know if StarVision needs an account….
Can you use the software without going through their cloud service? Having to sign in just to use the desktop software is a huge red flag - is there an option to use it without signing in?
If it's cloud only and requires signing in just to use, that's an immediate no-go.
The cloud question is coming up again and again… let me find out more and I’ll do a short as a recap!
I'm new to this hobby. I recently purchased a nice but expensive 3D printer. Can I use this scanner to produce 3D printer files?
Absolutely yes, it can export data in stl. file and you can slice and print.
@@xiangwang4464 Thank you for your helpful reply. I wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
Funnily enough I’ve been speaking to the Shining3D team about the VEGA recently and they recommended the Libre instead. That’s.. a whole different budget entirely 😂
Funnily enough, they haven’t offered me a test of a Libre! 😂😂😂
@ maybe if we share we can take turns? I’ll take Monday Wednesday Friday, alternating Sundays 😂
Amazing: probably the first scanner that would make sense to someone who doesn’t see 3D scanning as a hobby in itself
I haven’t looked yet, but hoping it isn’t going to cost mega bucks…
Hmmmmm…. Define “mega bucks” 😬😬😬.
It’s “consumer grade”, but maybe not consumer prices quite yet!
@ just checked: it is available currently in the region of £2,200. Maybe for a car club group purchase, unless I get lucky with the lottery numbers! 😂
I prefer the HeychD mode
Did my West Midlands accent start to come through?
This vid landed just as my Raptor arrived - do I watch it or not ??? typical lol
The Raptor is still a good scanner. Enjoy 👍
This is likely the dumbest question you’ve ever seen but- could I get one of these scanners and use it for 3d printing scanned models?
Idk what you messed up with the video title. But it looks like your translation version is wrong. It says "Finale" as video title. Nothing more. Posting this video somewhere else i see the actual title.
That’ll be a translation of the pre-release title which is normally “final” or something like that…
I really hope they will add the ability to switch between fast and HD mode in the same scan, I really miss that functionality from the Miraco. So far having used both I like the miraco better. Although the vega does seem smoother while scanning. The battery life seems even worse than the miraco though.
VIEW many review videos, VGEA data details looks much better than Miraco, the fast and HD mode in the same scan would be a good suggestion
I’ve not tested the Miraco so I can’t comment I’m afraid, and whilst you can merge the two modes in Starvision, that adds extra post-processing and friction.
Shining3D being who they are, it’s likely they will stick with the hardware and develop the software 👍
🚙 You should make stronger custom Jaguar 🐆 X-Type 3D printed gearbox for modified Jag X-Type cars, (3.0L V6 engine model with all wheel drive)The X-Type Jaguar cars have a weak gearbox & the factory set load bearing is a incorrect adjustment.Maybe the entire Japanese 🇯🇵 factory Jatco AWD system will have to be modified for a more powerful race engine.
I might need a bigger printer 😂
I thought that intro was part of the new 28 years movie. Yikes…
So you’re saying I’m as good a filmmaker as Danny Boyle???
I’ll take that 😂👍😁
calling a scanner that costs 2K accessible is just pathetic. especially considering the fact that there are loads of cheaper ones out there
I get what you are saying. But when you consider that I spent £2k on a laptop to make my “much cheaper” scanners mobile, instead of £600 on a desktop machine…
@@MakingforMotorsport fair enough
I think they've missed a trick by not doing something like a Raptor X. I would trade my einstar and raptor in for a raptor X especially with the better einstar software and support
Well I’ll be able to let you know what the RaptorX is like in an upcoming video 👍
No more motorsport making. Im out.
I get it. Gimme one more video 😘
First comment!
Yes you are!
$1800 dollars?? Why would any (hobbyist) buy this when photogrammetry exists and is free...
Because I’ve done both and scanners are by far and away the better option for my (and many others) use case… and some people can afford the $
@@MakingforMotorsport I just can't believe this is marketed towards hobbyists at that price point. If it were marketed towards small businesses or someone making money with it then sure I guess it makes sense, but it just seems like they're trying to sell a rolex to someone who needs a fitbit.
The other crazy thing is it doesn't really seem to produce better scans to me, I saw your car scan I've gotten similar results with far less effort from photogrammetry. The only disadvantage to photogrammetry is for accuracy you would likely need to put in your own scaling factor, but taking one measurement by hand is surely quicker than peppering something in targets or ensuring you're always scanning from 1.5m and never any further away, or trying to make sure you never lose the tracking and all this other nonsense you had to do with the scanner. For photogrammetry I just take a video while walking around the car, and then the software extracts the frames for me, distance and whatever else be damned, the scan takes a couple minutes with no prep needed.
Some people can afford it, but some people just having more money than sense isn't a great sell either IMHO 😅. Surely those same people have other things they'd rather spend their money on, some machining tools or maybe a 3D printer for example. Even if you have money to burn it seems like there's better uses. I'm not trying to be rude, I'm just flabbergasted that anyone would pay this much for this when it can be done (seemingly) just as well for free.
@@MakingforMotorsport @JD-ub5ic We are definitely close to the argument similar to 3D printers with scanners. Is your hobby scanning and messing with software or is this to support your hobby?
Your channel seems to now be a scanner review channel as opposed to anything realistically related to motorsport or even cars on general.
Sorry.
I can see why you think that and it’s annoying me as much as you. Hold tight….
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