This is really interesting. I've tried to understand Bozemen and Coffin's stuff. This was a lot more clear AND unlike some others giving explanations, you actually SHOWED it and SANG it.
Holy crap this is so much fun! Just downloaded both softwares and the 3rd harmonics boost of 2nd formant is incredible!!! Love it, awesome video, new geeky toy to play with!
I have good ears and somehow I always knew that, regardless of the individual timbre, each voice register has a distinctive sound. You prove it in this video. Very interesting, very well explained. Thank you!
This is such a great breakdown. As someone who just learned how to access their head voice and subsequently, learning to mix, this is a very insightful way of understanding the diff vocal registers. I’ve never looked at the voice is terms of harmonics before. Before, I would just push the chest as high (not very) as it would go, but without mixed and head, it was such a short range, not to mention straining and quite bad sounding. Glad to have found this channel. :)
Thank you so much for this video! Other videos about resonance always they "don't want to bore you with the details". But the details are the most interesting part!
That's so interesting. This spectrum reference allow us to work with an objective analysis on if we are singing in optimised acoustic power. For opera singing it is precious to know if we will project enough or not :) thank you so much.
Yes for sure, this could be a very useful tool for opera singers! I didn't show here but you can also use it to make sure all the vowels have the Singer formant cluster as well as check in on the continuity of vibrato.
Lovely demonstration. So impressive. Has anyone made an app to teach mix-voice by recognising the desired mix-ratio pattern and feeding back in real-time to the user so that they can correct the mix?
I like your content man, would love it if you post more often. I've been trying the mix voice stuff, but I'm failing so far, would appreciate some follow up video on that topic :))
@@nikhiliyer Sorry guys my daughter just turned 5 months old, it definitely set me back a little being a new father with creating more content, but things are settling in and I intend on getting back to creating more tips for you! Thanks for being patient with me.
Sometimes when i try this, the 1st formant boost the 2nd harmonic and the 2nd formant boost the 3rd harmonic the 3rd harmonic having the biggest boost.
I'd say thats pretty good. i do that a lot of times too however it is possible to let go of H2, but either way if the H3 or sometimes H4 is the loudest it will always sound more like mix.
I got the pc version of the voiceprint and struggling to overlay the formants chart on power spectrum. Any pointers will be greatly appreciated. Thanks
Tyler - Dope video. Got the software on my ipad just now. How exactly do we boost the 2nd formant with the 3rd harmonic? When i attempt to replicate your sound, the 1st formant still sits between the 1st and 2nd harmonic.
Hi Tyler, thank you so much for sharing these awesome concepts with us! Can you suggest me any software (other than Voice Print) that shows formants in a such a clear way?
Hi Tyler, you explain so well the mixed voice. I need a similiar program like voiceplay that shows also the formants with the spectrogram. Do u know some plugins like that?
Wow, this made me realize why it is so difficult to sing high. As the harmonics become more and more sparse, it becomes more and more difficult to hit them with the formants and it becomes more tempting to "chase" a harmonic, not only with F1 and F2 - it seems like one of the reasons the larynx tends to go up with pitch is a tendency to follow harmonics with F3, F4 and/or F5. Now when I realize, I've lost the resonance, I ask myself: Where are my formants and where can I go with them without completely changing the vowel and the timbre? After some adjustments, I'm back to a reasonable amount of resonance, go some semitones back, resonance lost again. Tedious.
very informative video. How did you turn on the formant peak option with the voiceprint program? My voiceprint program don't seem to have that option anywhere. Thanks in advance!
I am running the Mac version of voiceprint and I just go up to the view tab and click show resonance, if you are running the make version to you can also just press the J key as a shortcut.
Nice ! love it, very facinating and good job on explaining it it was very clear and in 10 minutes that's very impressive to put as much informations in this short amount of time thanks a lot Tyler can't wait to hear more on this topic :)
It depends if you are asking as a coach or a student? As a coach an understanding of this information guides almost everything I do. I should mention having knowledge of Formants and Harmonics can never take away from having a great ear and an overall great sense of musicianship. As a student I do not require any of my clients to know this stuff, I will pull out the spectrogram every now and then to show something to make a specific point, but it will never dominate the lesson. Like I said in the video it's a way to measure visually what you are doing, or for me a way to measure what my students are doing. You cannot track what you can't measure, so this is a form of measurement more so than a form of training. I hope that makes sense.
I would say I‘m asking as a student who’s interested in the science behind the voice. I always struggle to get in my mix voice. I use common exercises but don’t see much progress even with training daily over months, so I must be doing something wrong. Maybe this is a way to find out exactly what’s going wrong. Thank you for the detailed answer.
@@87Nikus Yes this is totally a way to at least see visually "Oh I am doing that and I need to being something different", Then you can use that information to guide you more accurately in the way you go about figuring it out!
Could you please explain (the details) for how someone could be breathy but still be in chest voice - or any register for that matter. And how can we differentiate registers if there's breathiness?
Thank you for the video. What is the relationship between laryngeal and acoustic registration? Does the forman-harmonic interaction affect CT and TA coordination?
That's a really great question and something I am still looking into, my emerging theory is yes they do effect the laryngeal modes. I have no evidence other than my own anecdotal research in my voice studio, but it does seem having a better tuning of the formants helps the cords vibrate more efficiently as well as almost force them in one mode or another meaning chest or head.
It makes sense, though it would be interesting to know more about it. I once read in Principles of Voice Production by Titze that the higher the pitch, the vibrational mode depends more on the air column above the vocal folds (due to an increased fold stiffness) which is also dependent on the tube's length and shape but that was all I found.
Dear Tyler, i just purchased the full version of voiceprint, but why i cant see the ,,white line,, which represents the Formants? i can see only blue one , while recording, which represents harmonics, any help? thank you !!!! im in power spect feature. :)
Hi Tyler , I have the same qustion. How is the white line enabled in powerspect view in "Estill Voiceprint Plus version 7.0.3". Thank You for a very informative video! :)
Yes absolutely Voiceprint: store.estillvoice.com/collections/clinical-software/products/copy-of-voiceprint-cd-mac-edition-1 and Voce Vista Video: www.sygyt.com/en/products/
@@tylerwysong I just bought the pc version. But apparently it is differfent from the mac version. Doesn't seem to have the formant feature. Kind of misleading on their website. BUT ... there is a much better and cheaper iPad version, just get that one for about 16$. It works like in the video here.
It's the different formant locations of different vowels that tend to make things work or not work. Any vowel will either have to "open" or "close" in order to transition. I guess maybe it would be interesting to show how "Ee" at some point will have to open significantly in order to maintain a robust singing timbre otherwise it will go to the F1/H1 coupling because of it's low F1. Certain shapes just work better for certain parts of the range so I defaulted to those shapes or vowels in this particular video.
@@tylerwysong Yes, but formants are linked to muscle movement basically and a vowel is a completely loose word, so it would be good to keep it constant( or close enough, I'm sure some varition will occur) It would also be cool to see how this meshes with Complete Vocal Technique and all their Guirar Pedal type set of modes, which are very vowel dependant. Anyway, food for thought. You're a lot more interesting than most "vocal coaches" here. And I'm speaking as a voice nerd and vocal coach myself. Keep it up! I bell subscribed ;)
@@stevetragg It doesn't sound like we share the same perspective. You are right in that formant changes are linked to muscle movements, however formants are spectral peaks in any resonating chamber not just the voice. Vowels are made up of harmonics passing through all the formants, so I am not sure what you mean by loose word? Also i am not very familiar with Complete Vocal Technique so I would not be a good candidate there. I am always willing to be persuaded though! I am interested in evidence based pedagogy, I would encourage you to download voce vista video (if you don't have it already?) and run this experiment yourself (there is a full functioning 30 day demo), you seem more equipped for the task than myself. It looks like you post videos on your page which is awesome! Maybe you could upload your findings? That would be sweet! Thanks so much for subscribing! I really appreciate it!
It sounds like you’re saying that you’re only singing in mix when you use the particular formant that amplifies the 3rd harmonic. This is incorrect, no?? Surely you can sing in mix with other formats that would amplify other harmonics? Like, ah vowels amplify a different range of frequencies than eh vowels? Maybe you’re implying that we should modify vowels in mix to be close to that particular formant that amplifies the 3rd harmonic (sounds like the “uh”, the sls teachers rave about), in which case, that’s a pretty limiting philosophy. What if we wanna sing like anyone other than pavarotti, which I assume your students do? Surely we’d need to make our vowel sounds a bit less operatic and, God forbid, forgo our precious harmonic amplification?
None of this makes any difference unless it can point us to HOW to change the formants in the correct place. For instance. Flutey Falsetto tracks the first formant with the Fundamental frequency....no kidding there are less frequencies in Falsetto only the outer edges of the vocal folds are vibrating. That is why it sounds flutey and hollow. The speaking voice has more over all random frequencies, more tissue of the vocal folds are vibrating. The first formant boosts the Second harmonic. OK and "Good Singers'" tune the second formant to the THIRD Harmonic.... so HOW do they do that? is the question. Not "which harmonics are boosted?" after the fact. So, is this Formant configuration a result of moving the voice "Forward: as in resonating in the mask? Is it a result of "lowering the larynx" as with most tips you get from voice coaches? Is it a result of "Vowel modification"? is it a result of Tilting the larynx or of Raising the soft palate? A result of Breath support? I do like your content and I have nothing against you, After only watching a few of your videos you have been very helpful. It just seems that too many coaches have gravitated to this formant subject and have not been able to realize that wave form is a result of several factors coming together, The main thing is that the cords are able to vibrate with more mass when you have a "Chesty" sound. and not just on the Thin edges of the vocal cords as in Falsetto or "Head" voice. This is something that happens or does not before the sound even reaches the vocal tract. It is a coordination within the voicebox itself.
I think it makes a huge difference. It's ok and understandable that you are frustrated most likely because you are working on your technique? But that doesn't mean this is worthless information. Just for future reference for you if you would have came to this with a sincere question of how do I do this? I would have been more than happy to try and help you out.
The only guy on the internet that can explain mixed voice, I here by name you: Mr MixedVoice!
Hahaha I love it!
Absolutely agree. The quest for mixed was useless till I found this!
a tip: watch series on flixzone. Me and my gf have been using it for watching loads of movies these days.
@Beau Israel Definitely, been using Flixzone} for years myself =)
Tyler Mixvoice
This is really interesting. I've tried to understand Bozemen and Coffin's stuff. This was a lot more clear AND unlike some others giving explanations, you actually SHOWED it and SANG it.
Again, the first time I hear a vocal coach mentioning the word Formant! You definetly know what you're speaking about!
Thank you very much my friend.
Best technical explanation of mixed voice!
Holy crap this is so much fun! Just downloaded both softwares and the 3rd harmonics boost of 2nd formant is incredible!!! Love it, awesome video, new geeky toy to play with!
Yes amazing!!
Hard to fathom how nearly 3000 have viewed this video and less than 200 have clicked that they liked it. The video is exceptional.
I have good ears and somehow I always knew that, regardless of the individual timbre, each voice register has a distinctive sound. You prove it in this video. Very interesting, very well explained. Thank you!
Fascinating 😮
This is such a great breakdown. As someone who just learned how to access their head voice and subsequently, learning to mix, this is a very insightful way of understanding the diff vocal registers. I’ve never looked at the voice is terms of harmonics before. Before, I would just push the chest as high (not very) as it would go, but without mixed and head, it was such a short range, not to mention straining and quite bad sounding. Glad to have found this channel. :)
This is one of the coolest things I've ever seen LOL How awesome!
Yes!! I love it!!
You’re one of the best singers to ever live. What a voice man 😳❤️
Wow what a compliment! Thank you!
I’ve been looking for a video like this for a while. Subscribed.
Awesome, thank you!
Thank you so much for this video! Other videos about resonance always they "don't want to bore you with the details". But the details are the most interesting part!
That's so interesting. This spectrum reference allow us to work with an objective analysis on if we are singing in optimised acoustic power. For opera singing it is precious to know if we will project enough or not :) thank you so much.
Yes for sure, this could be a very useful tool for opera singers! I didn't show here but you can also use it to make sure all the vowels have the Singer formant cluster as well as check in on the continuity of vibrato.
veery interesting Tyler! Thank you
Wow! Amazing info, thanks Tyler
Thanks so much!
I have to say this an absolutely fantastic, enlightening video!
Wow, thank you!
That's SO interesting! Thanks for sharing!
This is such useful information presented in such an accessible way - thanks for making this video!
Wow thank you!
Lovely demonstration. So impressive. Has anyone made an app to teach mix-voice by recognising the desired mix-ratio pattern and feeding back in real-time to the user so that they can correct the mix?
This is gold! Please do more!
wow that was so enlightening
Amzing coach, thanks, im joneil from Philippines
your lessons are awesome!
Happy New Year to you!
This was a great video Tyler, so interesting! Definitely going to check out that book.
Best video of my life!
Thanks so much! I'm glad you liked it!
THAAAAAAAAAAAAANk YOU COACH!!
I like your content man, would love it if you post more often. I've been trying the mix voice stuff, but I'm failing so far, would appreciate some follow up video on that topic :))
Yes I have more videos on mix coming soon! Thanks for the kind words!
@@nikhiliyer Sorry guys my daughter just turned 5 months old, it definitely set me back a little being a new father with creating more content, but things are settling in and I intend on getting back to creating more tips for you! Thanks for being patient with me.
Hard for me to really understand , but fascinating!
In the spectrographs I have on my phone only shows the harmonics how can I get the graph to show the formants?
Jesus Christ, I love the way you teach. Nice content!
Hello tyler, is there also such a program what works under windows
Sometimes when i try this, the 1st formant boost the 2nd harmonic and the 2nd formant boost the 3rd harmonic the 3rd harmonic having the biggest boost.
I'd say thats pretty good. i do that a lot of times too however it is possible to let go of H2, but either way if the H3 or sometimes H4 is the loudest it will always sound more like mix.
I got the pc version of the voiceprint and struggling to overlay the formants chart on power spectrum. Any pointers will be greatly appreciated. Thanks
Tyler -
Dope video. Got the software on my ipad just now.
How exactly do we boost the 2nd formant with the 3rd harmonic?
When i attempt to replicate your sound, the 1st formant still sits between the 1st and 2nd harmonic.
Hi Tyler, thank you so much for sharing these awesome concepts with us! Can you suggest me any software (other than Voice Print) that shows formants in a such a clear way?
Hi Tyler, you explain so well the mixed voice. I need a similiar program like voiceplay that shows also the formants with the spectrogram. Do u know some plugins like that?
Wow, this made me realize why it is so difficult to sing high. As the harmonics become more and more sparse, it becomes more and more difficult to hit them with the formants and it becomes more tempting to "chase" a harmonic, not only with F1 and F2 - it seems like one of the reasons the larynx tends to go up with pitch is a tendency to follow harmonics with F3, F4 and/or F5.
Now when I realize, I've lost the resonance, I ask myself: Where are my formants and where can I go with them without completely changing the vowel and the timbre? After some adjustments, I'm back to a reasonable amount of resonance, go some semitones back, resonance lost again. Tedious.
Yes exactly!!!
Is there a free version of voice print?
very informative video. How did you turn on the formant peak option with the voiceprint program? My voiceprint program don't seem to have that option anywhere. Thanks in advance!
I am running the Mac version of voiceprint and I just go up to the view tab and click show resonance, if you are running the make version to you can also just press the J key as a shortcut.
Amazing stuff. Where do you have your pitch reference set to in voiceprint?
Thank you! I have it at Male voice 131hz C3
@@tylerwysong Thank you!!
Nice ! love it, very facinating and good job on explaining it it was very clear and in 10 minutes that's very impressive to put as much informations in this short amount of time thanks a lot Tyler can't wait to hear more on this topic :)
Thanks so much! I'm glad you liked it!
Really interesting video. Thanks for the informations. How do you use this knowledge to actually train the voice?
It depends if you are asking as a coach or a student? As a coach an understanding of this information guides almost everything I do. I should mention having knowledge of Formants and Harmonics can never take away from having a great ear and an overall great sense of musicianship. As a student I do not require any of my clients to know this stuff, I will pull out the spectrogram every now and then to show something to make a specific point, but it will never dominate the lesson. Like I said in the video it's a way to measure visually what you are doing, or for me a way to measure what my students are doing. You cannot track what you can't measure, so this is a form of measurement more so than a form of training. I hope that makes sense.
I would say I‘m asking as a student who’s interested in the science behind the voice. I always struggle to get in my mix voice. I use common exercises but don’t see much progress even with training daily over months, so I must be doing something wrong. Maybe this is a way to find out exactly what’s going wrong. Thank you for the detailed answer.
@@87Nikus Yes this is totally a way to at least see visually "Oh I am doing that and I need to being something different", Then you can use that information to guide you more accurately in the way you go about figuring it out!
Could you please explain (the details) for how someone could be breathy but still be in chest voice - or any register for that matter. And how can we differentiate registers if there's breathiness?
Yes great idea.
so going from head or chest or mix shifts the first formant? how do you boost and shift the second formant?
I can't seem to find Voice Print anywhere. Do you know where it's available?
store.estillvoice.com/collections/clinical-software/products/voiceprint-plus-cd-mac-edition
Is this vocevista video or vocevista video pro?
Thank you for the video. What is the relationship between laryngeal and acoustic registration? Does the forman-harmonic interaction affect CT and TA coordination?
That's a really great question and something I am still looking into, my emerging theory is yes they do effect the laryngeal modes. I have no evidence other than my own anecdotal research in my voice studio, but it does seem having a better tuning of the formants helps the cords vibrate more efficiently as well as almost force them in one mode or another meaning chest or head.
It makes sense, though it would be interesting to know more about it. I once read in Principles of Voice Production by Titze that the higher the pitch, the vibrational mode depends more on the air column above the vocal folds (due to an increased fold stiffness) which is also dependent on the tube's length and shape but that was all I found.
@@pksferdinandd8227 Yes totally! Even Vennard said that when we are training the spaces above the cords we are probably also training the cords too.
Dear Tyler, i just purchased the full version of voiceprint, but why i cant see the ,,white line,, which represents the Formants? i can see only blue one , while recording, which represents harmonics, any help? thank you !!!! im in power spect feature. :)
Hi Tyler , I have the same qustion. How is the white line enabled in powerspect view in "Estill Voiceprint Plus version 7.0.3". Thank You for a very informative video! :)
Can you sing up to high c with the second formant ringing like the A natural?
Yes!
This is priceless! Could you please name a program which you used?
'VoceVista' was the first one he used and then he mentions 'Voice Print' (the one with grids).
Kieran T thank you :)
Yes absolutely Voiceprint: store.estillvoice.com/collections/clinical-software/products/copy-of-voiceprint-cd-mac-edition-1
and
Voce Vista Video: www.sygyt.com/en/products/
@@tylerwysong I just bought the pc version. But apparently it is differfent from the mac version. Doesn't seem to have the formant feature. Kind of misleading on their website. BUT ... there is a much better and cheaper iPad version, just get that one for about 16$. It works like in the video here.
I want to start vocal training by myself and I don't know from what i should start. Can you help me?
Can you be more specific? Are you looking for a course recommendation?
When singing in mixed voice do you feel it vibrate in your chest?
I don't personally feel it vibrate in my chest, I feel it more up in the head and in the face, but sensations are very personal.
ah ok thank you, you're videos on mix have been very helpful. @@tylerwysong
This is mind blowing, i wnat to do this to my students.
Are you a classical singer as well?
No, I dable here and there but I would not call myself a classical singer.
Acoustic treatment
You're welcome for the free advice
Wouldn't it be interesting to use the same vowel sounds as to not add that factor in the equation?
It's the different formant locations of different vowels that tend to make things work or not work. Any vowel will either have to "open" or "close" in order to transition. I guess maybe it would be interesting to show how "Ee" at some point will have to open significantly in order to maintain a robust singing timbre otherwise it will go to the F1/H1 coupling because of it's low F1. Certain shapes just work better for certain parts of the range so I defaulted to those shapes or vowels in this particular video.
@@tylerwysong Yes, but formants are linked to muscle movement basically and a vowel is a completely loose word, so it would be good to keep it constant( or close enough, I'm sure some varition will occur) It would also be cool to see how this meshes with Complete Vocal Technique and all their Guirar Pedal type set of modes, which are very vowel dependant. Anyway, food for thought. You're a lot more interesting than most "vocal coaches" here. And I'm speaking as a voice nerd and vocal coach myself. Keep it up! I bell subscribed ;)
@@stevetragg It doesn't sound like we share the same perspective. You are right in that formant changes are linked to muscle movements, however formants are spectral peaks in any resonating chamber not just the voice. Vowels are made up of harmonics passing through all the formants, so I am not sure what you mean by loose word? Also i am not very familiar with Complete Vocal Technique so I would not be a good candidate there. I am always willing to be persuaded though! I am interested in evidence based pedagogy, I would encourage you to download voce vista video (if you don't have it already?) and run this experiment yourself (there is a full functioning 30 day demo), you seem more equipped for the task than myself. It looks like you post videos on your page which is awesome! Maybe you could upload your findings? That would be sweet! Thanks so much for subscribing! I really appreciate it!
@@tylerwysong I have a bunch of stuff to do. But when I get round to it I'll definitely tackle the issue. And will defo let you know 😉
@@stevetragg Great i am looking forward to what you discover!
It sounds like you’re saying that you’re only singing in mix when you use the particular formant that amplifies the 3rd harmonic. This is incorrect, no?? Surely you can sing in mix with other formats that would amplify other harmonics? Like, ah vowels amplify a different range of frequencies than eh vowels?
Maybe you’re implying that we should modify vowels in mix to be close to that particular formant that amplifies the 3rd harmonic (sounds like the “uh”, the sls teachers rave about), in which case, that’s a pretty limiting philosophy.
What if we wanna sing like anyone other than pavarotti, which I assume your students do? Surely we’d need to make our vowel sounds a bit less operatic and, God forbid, forgo our precious harmonic amplification?
You can do whatever you want, you do not need to abide by my teaching! Cheers.
None of this makes any difference unless it can point us to HOW to change the formants in the correct place. For instance. Flutey Falsetto tracks the first formant with the Fundamental frequency....no kidding there are less frequencies in Falsetto only the outer edges of the vocal folds are vibrating. That is why it sounds flutey and hollow. The speaking voice has more over all random frequencies, more tissue of the vocal folds are vibrating. The first formant boosts the Second harmonic. OK and "Good Singers'" tune the second formant to the THIRD Harmonic.... so HOW do they do that? is the question. Not "which harmonics are boosted?" after the fact. So, is this Formant configuration a result of moving the voice "Forward: as in resonating in the mask? Is it a result of "lowering the larynx" as with most tips you get from voice coaches? Is it a result of "Vowel modification"? is it a result of Tilting the larynx or of Raising the soft palate? A result of Breath support? I do like your content and I have nothing against you, After only watching a few of your videos you have been very helpful. It just seems that too many coaches have gravitated to this formant subject and have not been able to realize that wave form is a result of several factors coming together, The main thing is that the cords are able to vibrate with more mass when you have a "Chesty" sound. and not just on the Thin edges of the vocal cords as in Falsetto or "Head" voice. This is something that happens or does not before the sound even reaches the vocal tract. It is a coordination within the voicebox itself.
I think it makes a huge difference. It's ok and understandable that you are frustrated most likely because you are working on your technique? But that doesn't mean this is worthless information. Just for future reference for you if you would have came to this with a sincere question of how do I do this? I would have been more than happy to try and help you out.
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