Viola Concerto in the Style of J.C. Bach in C Minor By Henri Casadesus Movements 1. 0:02 2. 4:24 3. 10:25 CADENZA (Still part of 3 but just a different part). 13:10
The Hoffmeister ones and the Vanhal one are really beautiful, though, more enjoyable--and I say this as a former violinist--than the violin ones of the time. Sure, then Romanticism forgot the viola existed...
Achei muito interessante a interpretação, principalmente no 3 movimento, onde normalmente é comum se tocar mais rápido, entretanto essa interpretação "mais lenta" dá uma melhor margem para uma limpeza sonora incrivel, o tempo do 6/8 ficou perfeitamente pronunciado
Das Konzert ist längst als sehr gut gemachte Fälschung entlarvt - so wie die Bratschenkonzerte von Händel und Philipp Emanuel Bach. Da hat sich die Barockfreundetruppe um Saint-Saiens, zu der Casadesus gehörte einen schönen Spaß erlaubt. Trotzdem tolle Musik
Yeah, when a young JC Bach got the job as organist at the Milan Cathedral he was known for being able to combine both the German learned counterpoint style with the Italian more emotional and increasingly single melody style. However he leaned towards the more modern single melody style and in a letter to his Italian teacher Padre Martini he expressed concerns that he would be criticized for his church compositions sounding too secular. But as we know, even though it was such a prestigious position, he did not stay long at Milan before moving onto London where a truly great career was waiting for him. He was a star in his time.
Pregunta realmente seria: ¿Alguien sabe dónde encontrar la parte de orquesta de esta obra? No encontré ninguna sola edición de la orquesta y estoy desesperado por tocarlo nuevamente, claro que esta vez con acompañamiento 😢
This piece absolutely DOES NOT sound like Johann Christian Bach. J.C.Bach was a contemporary of Haydn, and a great influence on young Mozart when they met in London when Wolfgang was 7-8 years old. So much so that J.C. Bach's works sound like more sophisticated works by young Mozart -- except the emulation was the other way round.
Listen tot any sinfonia concertante or piano concerto by JC Bach on TH-cam and you'll hear that this viola concerto has really absolutely nothing to do with JC Bach's style. Probably Casadesus knew nothing about JC Bach's music either. But i must add that i've played Casadesus' concerto with pleasure.
I was about to say. The orchestration is too heavy and unimaginative to be in the style of Jc Bach. The harmonic textures in the second movement are something more romantic than galant. The only association with Jc Bach that I can think of is that all three movements are in a minor key, which may be a tribute to his better known g minor symphony (also three minor keyed movements).
@@markusboyd4834 I'm not sure I agree that the texture in the second movement is all that romantic it sounds baroque and not entirely dissimilar to the harmonies in pieces like this: th-cam.com/video/u99f9RAvwu4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=V-wNowrBNbfSmnyN&t=27
It's sort of surprising that anyone ever thought this was originally composed by C. P. E. Bach. If this was the score that was originally discovered, how could anyone have ever mistaken it for eighteenth century harmony? I'm no professional musician, but the harmony sounds much too rich (too many accidentals, for one) to come out of the Classical period.
I wonder if by "style" he means in a vague sense in terms of structure? It sounds nothing like Bach. This is so obviously in a Post-Romantic idiom--especially in the slow movement. (???)
Pra mim está perfeito, não vejo graça em ouvir notas rápidas quando não há grande complexidade pra se admirar. É como se o músico estivesse forçando uma complexidade em figuras simples com um tempo rápido.
Viola Concerto in the Style of J.C. Bach in C Minor By Henri Casadesus
Movements
1. 0:02
2. 4:24
3. 10:25
CADENZA (Still part of 3 but just a different part). 13:10
I would’ve switched to the violin if it wasn’t for this piece. Not a lot of viola concertos but this one really stand out
Ooooo
im learning this for federation and it's definitely one of my favorite solo pieces ive played
The Hoffmeister ones and the Vanhal one are really beautiful, though, more enjoyable--and I say this as a former violinist--than the violin ones of the time. Sure, then Romanticism forgot the viola existed...
after praying for the last 2 hours i can tell you that i'm gonna switch to violin
Search for Vasks and Forsyth viola concertos. Along with Casadesus, they're the golden gems!
I’m trying to learn this concert , it creates a strong emotional status to me.
Wwww sure it does to many people
Questo concerto è straordinario
Good music 👍👌
Achei muito interessante a interpretação, principalmente no 3 movimento, onde normalmente é comum se tocar mais rápido, entretanto essa interpretação "mais lenta" dá uma melhor margem para uma limpeza sonora incrivel, o tempo do 6/8 ficou perfeitamente pronunciado
There's even a version for Violin & Cello which they did that by writing 2 new solo parts.
Lol is it true? I would like to hear one haha
@@SisselOnline The Peter's Edition has those parts.
i play viola
Das Konzert ist längst als sehr gut gemachte Fälschung entlarvt - so wie die Bratschenkonzerte von Händel und Philipp Emanuel Bach.
Da hat sich die Barockfreundetruppe um Saint-Saiens, zu der Casadesus gehörte einen schönen Spaß erlaubt.
Trotzdem tolle Musik
His pieces sound more influenced by JS Bach to me. Excellent though.
XD
Yeah, when a young JC Bach got the job as organist at the Milan Cathedral he was known for being able to combine both the German learned counterpoint style with the Italian more emotional and increasingly single melody style. However he leaned towards the more modern single melody style and in a letter to his Italian teacher Padre Martini he expressed concerns that he would be criticized for his church compositions sounding too secular. But as we know, even though it was such a prestigious position, he did not stay long at Milan before moving onto London where a truly great career was waiting for him. He was a star in his time.
Pregunta realmente seria: ¿Alguien sabe dónde encontrar la parte de orquesta de esta obra? No encontré ninguna sola edición de la orquesta y estoy desesperado por tocarlo nuevamente, claro que esta vez con acompañamiento 😢
Nor am I qwq
4:20
这曲子到底是JC巴赫还是这个Casadesus写的……我找到的好多谱子都写的JC巴赫
21世紀後的都認為Casadesus才是這個作品真正的作曲家
但是重印舊譜的那些就還是寫JC Bach
not sure if 1:40 really sounds like Bach...
Well it's definitely not sounding like JS Bach or JC Bach.
@@SisselOnlineit's joke
Who knows
10:25
This piece absolutely DOES NOT sound like Johann Christian Bach. J.C.Bach was a contemporary of Haydn, and a great influence on young Mozart when they met in London when Wolfgang was 7-8 years old. So much so that J.C. Bach's works sound like more sophisticated works by young Mozart -- except the emulation was the other way round.
No it does Not. So what? JC Bch is an excellent composer and this work contributes to know him.
But this is a Casadesus concerto @@pepehaydn7039
Listen tot any sinfonia concertante or piano concerto by JC Bach on TH-cam and you'll hear that this viola concerto has really absolutely nothing to do with JC Bach's style. Probably Casadesus knew nothing about JC Bach's music either. But i must add that i've played Casadesus' concerto with pleasure.
Absolutely correct!
I was about to say. The orchestration is too heavy and unimaginative to be in the style of Jc Bach. The harmonic textures in the second movement are something more romantic than galant. The only association with Jc Bach that I can think of is that all three movements are in a minor key, which may be a tribute to his better known g minor symphony (also three minor keyed movements).
@@markusboyd4834 I'm not sure I agree that the texture in the second movement is all that romantic it sounds baroque and not entirely dissimilar to the harmonies in pieces like this:
th-cam.com/video/u99f9RAvwu4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=V-wNowrBNbfSmnyN&t=27
It's sort of surprising that anyone ever thought this was originally composed by C. P. E. Bach. If this was the score that was originally discovered, how could anyone have ever mistaken it for eighteenth century harmony? I'm no professional musician, but the harmony sounds much too rich (too many accidentals, for one) to come out of the Classical period.
True
Btw, who is the violist?
Lubomír Malý!
I wonder if by "style" he means in a vague sense in terms of structure? It sounds nothing like Bach. This is so obviously in a Post-Romantic idiom--especially in the slow movement. (???)
IMO the 1st mvt is really slow, same with 3rd, its dragging....
Pra mim está perfeito, não vejo graça em ouvir notas rápidas quando não há grande complexidade pra se admirar. É como se o músico estivesse forçando uma complexidade em figuras simples com um tempo rápido.
Where can I find a link to download individual parts for this accompaniment?
IMSLP, there are viola and this piano accompaniment scores that also shows viola xD
@@SisselOnlineAnd for the orchestra? 😢
Idk...
@@SisselOnline :(