FANTASTIC presentation. I usually put cheap tires on my gas cars, but my 2014 Nissan Leaf EV requires LRR for max range. Specifically, Bridgestone Ecopia EP422s.
Michelin PS5 are relatively low rolling resistant tyres, with excellent wet and dry performance. I have changed from Yokahama Advan db V551 to PS5 and there is a fuel saving and they are quieter.
Consumer's Union that publishes Consumer Reports magazine tested these a while back. On average, the difference "adds up to about $70 per year, or about $360 over the life of a set of tires (62,000 miles for a performance all-season tire, based on CR testing). We based our savings calculation on gas at $5 per gallon." A lot of online discussion-board "experts" mocked such a minimal improvement, but I like the idea of having around $300+ extra helping to cover the cost of the next set of tires, or getting an extra 1% or so range on my EV over that many miles, especially if I am having to pay public charging fees.
If true, the savings essentially pays for all or a large % of your new tires vs your old ones. So, still worth it if there aren't other tradeoffs you can't live with. Benefits globally both financially for the consumer and for the environment are also substantial.
I just bought non LLR Bridgestone Firehawk AS V2 tires for my '19 Accord Hybrid. I was getting 48 to 52 mpg driving fifteen miles one way to work on Michelin Energy Saver A/S tires with almost exactly three years of wear on them when they were replaced. The Michelin's lasted 30k miles when they're rated for around 50k miles. The Firehawks get me 44-49 miles on the same trip to work. HOWEVER, I learned over those three years how to drive my car very efficiently. I vaguely remember that my new Michelin's didn't exactly give me the best mpg when they were new, just like the firehawks now. Now there's more tread and a more comfortable ride. If the new Firehawk tires are anything like the Michelin tires it may improve as the tread wears. Just as you say that switching worn tires with less grip with new tires with more grip will naturally cause mpg to decrease as the car has to work harder to do the same work.
I owned a 2014 Accord Hybrid and also a 2018 Accord Hybrid. Factory LRR tires netted me 45 mpg. Had tires on the 2014 changed over when hit 50K and replaced them with a Les Schwab Eco tire. Mileage stayed the same. Changed the tires on my 2019 Accord with recommended LRR tires at Schwab (sales folk insisted they were Hybrid suitable). Had premature inside wear on the tires (30K actual) even though alignments had been done and tires rotated. Found there is a factory problem not only with Accords but also with some other manufacturers. Couldn't get rear tires properly aligned. No adjustment. Required installation of a rear camber kit. The new Schwab tires (Reputation) immediately dropped my mpg to 37-38. Took them back and they gave me tires by Continental that were to be LRR Hybrid approved. Same result. Going back to have them order OEM Michelin Energy Saver A/S tires to get my mileage back to 45 mpg. Proper tires will net me 100 miles on a tank of gasoline. Evidently Schwab no longer carries the ECO friendly tires I bought for my 2014 when I had them changed. Unsure what happened but not all tires that are supposedly LRR are actually so.
Thanks for sharing your experience with us. And sorry to hear about your frustration with LRR tires. Your experience underscores the comment made by the tire retailer I quote in the video who said LRR tires are "Black Magic."
@@jacktalkstires Schwab will take the Continentals back and have ordered me the OEM Michelin Energy Saver A/S. Mileage should go back to the accustomed 45 mpg.
They should make a standard for these tires, it would help. Just like they do for vehicle efficiency testing, they should do it for tires too. And add extra tax to the fuel guzzling tires to steer people away from slapping big meat eaters on lifted trucks to drive to work because it looks "cool".
The tax is they cost more in fuel. Quit pushing your opinions on people. Taxes are for subsidizing government expenses, not imposing your personal beliefs on others.
@@buckdown1658 Now you're getting it, except now do the same for your idea to tax everybody else because you think you're opinion matters. You're a little slow but I think you're going to eventually figure this out.
FANTASTIC presentation. I usually put cheap tires on my gas cars, but my 2014 Nissan Leaf EV requires LRR for max range. Specifically, Bridgestone Ecopia EP422s.
Michelin PS5 are relatively low rolling resistant tyres, with excellent wet and dry performance. I have changed from Yokahama Advan db V551 to PS5 and there is a fuel saving and they are quieter.
Consumer's Union that publishes Consumer Reports magazine tested these a while back. On average, the difference "adds up to about $70 per year, or about $360 over the life of a set of tires (62,000 miles for a performance all-season tire, based on CR testing). We based our savings calculation on gas at $5 per gallon." A lot of online discussion-board "experts" mocked such a minimal improvement, but I like the idea of having around $300+ extra helping to cover the cost of the next set of tires, or getting an extra 1% or so range on my EV over that many miles, especially if I am having to pay public charging fees.
If true, the savings essentially pays for all or a large % of your new tires vs your old ones. So, still worth it if there aren't other tradeoffs you can't live with. Benefits globally both financially for the consumer and for the environment are also substantial.
I just bought non LLR Bridgestone Firehawk AS V2 tires for my '19 Accord Hybrid. I was getting 48 to 52 mpg driving fifteen miles one way to work on Michelin Energy Saver A/S tires with almost exactly three years of wear on them when they were replaced. The Michelin's lasted 30k miles when they're rated for around 50k miles. The Firehawks get me 44-49 miles on the same trip to work. HOWEVER, I learned over those three years how to drive my car very efficiently. I vaguely remember that my new Michelin's didn't exactly give me the best mpg when they were new, just like the firehawks now. Now there's more tread and a more comfortable ride. If the new Firehawk tires are anything like the Michelin tires it may improve as the tread wears. Just as you say that switching worn tires with less grip with new tires with more grip will naturally cause mpg to decrease as the car has to work harder to do the same work.
Thanks for sharing your experience, NoBreyner60.
I owned a 2014 Accord Hybrid and also a 2018 Accord Hybrid. Factory LRR tires netted me 45 mpg. Had tires on the 2014 changed over when hit 50K and replaced them with a Les Schwab Eco tire. Mileage stayed the same. Changed the tires on my 2019 Accord with recommended LRR tires at Schwab (sales folk insisted they were Hybrid suitable). Had premature inside wear on the tires (30K actual) even though alignments had been done and tires rotated.
Found there is a factory problem not only with Accords but also with some other manufacturers. Couldn't get rear tires properly aligned. No adjustment. Required installation of a rear camber kit. The new Schwab tires (Reputation) immediately dropped my mpg to 37-38. Took them back and they gave me tires by Continental that were to be LRR Hybrid approved. Same result. Going back to have them order OEM Michelin Energy Saver A/S tires to get my mileage back to 45 mpg. Proper tires will net me 100 miles on a tank of gasoline. Evidently Schwab no longer carries the ECO friendly tires I bought for my 2014 when I had them changed. Unsure what happened but not all tires that are supposedly LRR are actually so.
Thanks for sharing your experience with us. And sorry to hear about your frustration with LRR tires. Your experience underscores the comment made by the tire retailer I quote in the video who said LRR tires are "Black Magic."
@@jacktalkstires Schwab will take the Continentals back and have ordered me the OEM Michelin Energy Saver A/S. Mileage should go back to the accustomed 45 mpg.
I only notice better mpg with low LRR tires in city driving. Highway driving is barely affected because aerodynamics play a bigger factor
That's an interesting insight. Thanks for sharing it.
Thank you. I woulda assumed just the opposite, that the LRR would come into play more at highway speeds with the cruise control on.
Great insight! 👍
@@iceman.83 actually retested. Tires do help on the highway. But 60 mph is way diff than 90 mph
Well explained 👏
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They should make a standard for these tires, it would help. Just like they do for vehicle efficiency testing, they should do it for tires too. And add extra tax to the fuel guzzling tires to steer people away from slapping big meat eaters on lifted trucks to drive to work because it looks "cool".
The tax is they cost more in fuel. Quit pushing your opinions on people. Taxes are for subsidizing government expenses, not imposing your personal beliefs on others.
@@PaulDo22 If you don't like my opinion, shut the hell up and move on. No need to "tell me off" like you matter.
@@buckdown1658 Now you're getting it, except now do the same for your idea to tax everybody else because you think you're opinion matters. You're a little slow but I think you're going to eventually figure this out.
Of course a democrat wants to tax other people more lmao