This upset A LOT of people! | Robot Wars Clips
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- The modifications made to Tornado, during the Sixth Wars finals against Razer, caused a great divide amongst roboteers and the audience.
Do you think it was a deserved win for Tornado?
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Oddly, this was NOT the first time that Tornado used it's anti Razer crushing frame. The first time it was used and the first time I saw it was in Robot Wars Extreme Warriors' International Special from Season 2. That episode also introduced me to Tornado's wedge plow, arguably it's more iconic weapon without any controversy.
Tornado used that cage 3 times v Razer and won all 3 fights v him!. From Joe. X
@@joeandrews7329 Wrong. Razer won the last fight, and the decision was never reversed just because Team Razer gave their reward of victory to Team Tornado. The latter’s different. It’s just like Ultor still beat Big Brother in Series 3 despite withdrawing afterwards, and Thor and Concussion still beat Cathadh and Terror Turtle in their World Series despite the latter two getting points for their team.
@@ryanodonovan9497 Strange stories in the warzone!. From Joe. X
Tornado used that cage three times against Razer. Someone had to stop that crusher eventually.
And it was Tornado. From Joe. X
There is no problem with this modification, because knowing the enemy's strengths and avoiding them is also a good way to win. If there is no cage, how should this tornado, which can only ram, win? Hope that the opponent will give up or fall into a pit or be damaged accidentally? At that time, kinetic weapons did not have such powerful destructive power. If it was replaced with Typhoon 2 or Carbide, it would only need to hit the razor from the side to paralyze it.
Tornado improved before series 6 by winning the extreme warriors series 2 UK/USA international championships. From Joe. X
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Form line here, the 2 met in the extreme warriors series 2 international championships and Tornado won on aggression and control. From Joe. X
This is why I prefer Storm II than Tornado. Storm II didn’t need to adapt for its fights. It won a lot of them without any modifications. Alright, I admit I would love to have seen that it had for series 8, but I would’ve love to have seen it go up against Razer even better.
Andrews, I’m warning you! 😡 Keep your stupid facts to yourself or else!
@@MarkSW They're not stupid, they're true stories and nothing is reconstructed!. From joe. X
@@joeandrews7329 to be fair joe they are pretty stupid
@@joeandrews7329 That is irrelevant. The point is your facts are spoiling the videos so there’s no point in watching them. And you keep telling us things that we already know. We’ve asked you to stop doing it and now we’re ordering you. Pack it in! And what’s with the kiss? I’m not your boyfriend!
@@MarkSW Joe Andrews is king! From CJC x
I kinda wish this included the pre-fight interview with Phillipa, the teams, and Derek Foxwell. Derek explains during that segment that Tornado's modifications are completely within the rules and so they are allowed to use it. Also in the post-fight with Craig, Andrew Marchant (Tornado's captain) confirms the cage is still within the maximum allowed size of heavyweights in Robot Wars, which also happens to be much larger than the pit
TL;DR Tornado didn't cheat, it's been 22 years, get over it
hey whatsup
@@CJC_RW omg it's THE See Jay See, mastermind behind the hit documentary The Robot Wars Retrospective, now streaming on TH-cam!
Tornado deserved his crown. From Joe. X
Should be DQ Razor still champ! 💪
But Tornado deserved something!. From Joe. X
Did not know Crichton was on robot wars...
Tornado was deserved champion. From Joe. X
Razer's fans were quaked by the judge's vote!. From Joe. X
Tornado deserved something!. From Joe. X
Johnandrews7329 was strangled! From Tyler V! 😤
@@joeandrews7329why are you having a conversation with yourself
@@aw674_ I am telling viewers why Tornado deserved a major trophy. From Joe. X
@@joeandrews7329 joe andrews vs floor flipper
Here before Mech Plus realises they spelt controversial wrong
Before series 6, Tornado won the extreme warriors season 2 international championships v USA for UK. From joe. X
Woops
@@mechplus He beat General Chompsalot 2 to win that UK/USA tournament. From Joe. X
i think it was a good ruling.
Tornado was a king!. From Joe. X
I was never a fan of Razer, but then I didn't like Tornado either. If anything, Tornado did more to kill the original Robot Wars TV series than almost any other robot including Razer because it was about that time that the ingenuity that was such a draw pretty much died. Shame really. But that cage thingy that Tornado had here should never have been allowed - I might not have liked Razer but having a cage like that was tantamount to cheating.
He used it 3 times v Razer. From Joe. X
Watching as an outsider. I can see why that was controversial
Tornado was king!. From Joe. X
Oh great, now you’ve done it… 😂
Tornado deserved series 6!. From Joe. X
Oddly, it was not this battle that I found most contentious. Tornado was clearly the more aggressive in this battle. The one I found the worst was Razors demise.
I forget who it was against but I think it was a spinner like Hypnodisk, the whole battle started normally, but then Razor took a critical hit that disabled it, rather than the Refbot jumping in and counting Razor out though, the match continued and the opposition robot eviscerated Razor, scattering parts of the robot all over the arena floor until the unit was practically unrecognisable. This was someone's passion, creation and livelihood, and the programme creators simply stood by and watched as someone tore it to pieces.
You can see why the owner of Razor gave the programme creators a 2 fingered salute and went to the American version of the programme instead.
Tornado deserved his crown. From Joe. X
@@joeandrews7329 I'm not disputing that.
It was the way the programme creators allowed a battle to go to the point where one contestant was handed his robot back in a carrier bag as part of the sweepings of the arena.
I kinda lost faith in the series after that. Doing that to a teams robot just came across as mean to me. They'd already won, why totally destroy the other robot? Unless it was a move by the Programme Creators to prevent a Team from taking their design with them when leaving Robot Wars, (AKA If we can't have it, no one can strategy).
That battle never happened.
Razer's last battle in the classic series was when it fought Tornado again in the European Championship - they actually won this time, but the team felt Razer should have been counted out as it broke down with Tornado still in its clutches, so they handed the victory over to Tornado.
Razer's last battle ever was in the reboot, where it lost the first round after trying to pit Kill-E-Crank-E... who did a neat little turn and dragged Razer into the pit with it.
@@killdozer7792 Razer and Tornado were 2 good machines in the warzone. From Joe. X
Tornado didn't cheat. Cope, Seeth, Mald etc.
He beat razer 3 times. From Joe. X
I have no problem with the mod. I have a problem with the outcome. Should have been a draw.
Tornado was more aggressive!. From Joe. X
ohhhh why did they not drop it in the hole? right cause it was larger than life. Is that even allowed? Useless trap if you can't fit in it. Otherwise razer would have won this one. Merciless beating or not.
Illegal from Tornado!. From Joe. X
The maximum legal size was wider than the pit. But as you said, it makes the pit a useless trap if you can’t fit in. Yes you could still be classed as pitted for being stuck over it or on the edge, but the pit was designed for victims to fall down inside. Otherwise it’d make more sense to just bring back the grilles from Series 1 or have nothing there at all.
Besides, the fact Razer immobilised Tornado over the pit should’ve meant a win for the former right there, as all of Tornado’s wheels were rested over the pit, and the pit has always meant instant elimination. But no, it didn’t count as Razer couldn’t detach its claw and drive away, which is stupid because it was blatantly obvious Tornado couldn’t have possibly escaped that dead spot whether held there or not. Did Probophobia have to withdraw when it pitted Snake Bite in Extreme Warriors Season 2? No, and Razer shouldn’t have had to withdraw when it immobilised Tornado over the pit.
@@ryanodonovan9497 Before series 6, Tornado won the extreme warriors series 2 USA/UK episode. From Joe. X
Why does this look so badly Remastered? Eww
Razer's fans were quaked!. From Joe. X
@@joeandrews7329joe andrews vs razer
@@joeandrews7329not the right comment to reply
Obviously many people were upset, because they hated seeing dirty, unsporting tactics at play along with rules that made no sense. And you lot who call people like me "Razer fanboys" just because we argue in favour of Razer here - we're not. We're not biased for Razer, and this argument would stand regardless of who the perpetrator or recipient is. YOU lot on the other hand hold such bias, only that it's _against_ Razer, and for the dumbest of reasons, like that you don't like it being so dominant when that's what you're SUPPOSED to do in this competition, or that you don't like battles being boringly one-sided when this is a real-life competition and not a professional wrestling promotion. So look to yourselves before calling others fanboys when that's actually you. We're just smart enough to realise that if you look to modify your robot to render a specific opponent's attack methods useless because you don't want to work on defeating it PROPERLY, you don't deserve to win, and Team Tornado didn't deserve this victory/Championship at all. There's nothing genius or innovative about their actions - it was nothing but cowardice.
And whoever wants to scoff at me for making an "essay" here, know this - I DON'T CARE HOW LONG MY COMMENT HERE IS. Got that? I only care about getting facts, fairness and logic across, and if you're not going to read through it, get lost.
Now, I get that there are separate robotic combat leagues that allow radical modifications like this, and whether any of us like it or not, it depends on what those in charge think the rules should be. But there are a few problems - firstly Robot Wars was about using your initial design against all others without altering your robot drastically for specific opponents, thus showing that there's really no perfect design. Interchangeable weaponry is one thing, but Team Tornado took this WAY too far. And secondly, the rules in this case were terribly inconsistent. Firstly, Tornado's anti-spinner and anti-axe (designed for Hypno-Disc, Dominator 2 and Terrorhurtz respectively) were banned but not the anti-crusher because of the latter having moving weaponry on it. Why? What does it matter whether there's moving weaponry on it or not? If it's designed for the same kind of unfair protection, either all the devices should've been banned or none of them should've been banned. Secondly, what's the point in having the pit if you're allowed to be big enough to not fit in it? Yes, you can still be classed as pitted for getting stuck over it or on the edge (which I'll get back to), but the pit's designed for robots to GO DOWN INSIDE, not to be delicately placed over it. Otherwise you might as well just bring back the grilles from Series 1 or have nothing there at all. And thirdly, Tornado WAS immobilised over the pit, yet it wasn't counted because Razer couldn't detach and drive away. Again, that makes no sense, as it was blatantly obvious that Tornado couldn't have escaped its predicament over the pit whether held there or not, and the pit has always meant INSTANT ELIMINATION. Probophobia didn't have to withdraw when it pitted Snake Bite; Razer shouldn't have had to withdraw when it immobilised Tornado over the pit.
But oh no, excuse-makers who say otherwise, if something's allowed by the "rULeS", it's perfectly justified. That's the other problem here, which is that you lot keep harking back to the rules without realising that rules can be flawed, and shouldn't be in place if they are. By that sheep-minded logic it's morally justified to murder gay people and be sexist to women because of Islamic law. And don't come back at me telling me that's a completely different matter - OBVIOUSLY human rights are more important than a robotic combat show! But it's the same PRINCIPLE, in that just because something's a rule, it doesn't automatically mean it should be.
A big part of robot wars is the planning and design of the robots, build within the rules and be cleverer than your opponent at all stages, push the rules to the limits and use creativity to triumph.
Rules in all kinds of sports are changed after competitors find ways to use them to their advantage, happens in big money sports like F1 and Nascar, get over yourself and accept that things change, rules change, champions change.
Robot wars is a whole series devoted to engineers interpreting the rules in a way that they think give them an advantage, no rules were broken, this is old news and you're still butt hurt rather than learning a little about how the world works and moving on with your life.
@@popuptoaster Who are you to tell me I don’t learn about how the world works and what I should do with my life when you don’t even know what being “butt hurt” is, nor how to properly compare things? And this “old news” and “thAt wos Ages agO!” argument is nothing but a cop-out. I also hope you use that excuse on official decisions that _you_ find outrageously wrong. Otherwise throwing it at me now is even more hypocritical.
Everything else you say is already disproved by what I’ve said, as you’re the exact type of person I’m talking about. Someone who thinks something’s automatically justified just because it’s within the rules, which is incredibly sheep-minded and naive. What Team Tornado did was dirty, unsporting and cheap.
Tornado was lucky!. From Joe. X
@@ryanodonovan9497 please just talk to anyone involved in this and ask how they feel about it. They wouldn't give two shits.
@@CJC_RW No, I won’t talk to any of these people you specify, because I don’t give two shits what they say when I don’t need their approval to know that I’m right.
Tornado cheated, you’re wrong, end of.