@elijahbatchelor9125 We also don’t talk about the six times That Jordan didn’t make it through the playoffs and the 4 times he got bounced out in the first round to crackheads.
@@kite36 we also don't talk about Jordan faking retirement so he could duck the heat of his gambling schemes that were about to take him down but yeah it's wild how making it to the Finals and losing is somehow worse in peoples minds than getting beat in the 2nd rd...... give MJ in his prime a supporting cast of Tristan Thompson and Matthew Dellavedova and lets see what happens lol
@@kite36 That was early in his career before he was great. Why not talk about all of the times Lebron got bounced out and didn't make the Finals. First round exits. Sweeps. Why do yall Bronnies not count the many times Lebron didn't make it to the Nba Finals?
U guys are still debating that stuff? MJ made the universe fall in love with the game. The man retired and is still the standard that all others are compared to. People are still fighting for Jordans in 2024
Kobe continued it for his story and the LeBron for his that's how I treat it there's always one who has a story dominates the game and passes the torch on for their story
The media start it over and over again, cause it is easy. It starts useless debates, people arguing about "what if", srarting to hate each other for no reason other than nonsense GOAT arguments and the best part, they all got distracted from their miserable life, insane politics, collapsing economy, increasing crime, deeply split society and an ever growing international tension which could potential kill us all....
The man retired over 20yrs ago. But it still takes a debate to argue that a current player is greater.. than him and he still comes out on top.. the debate in itself is of no use the answer is in the fact that current players have not been able to make us forget his greatness
As a Lebron fan.......Jordan is the GOAT! A player can score 30 with another team and get with Lebron and can't hit. Too many people got rings during Lebron time. Nobody in the NBA fears him or hold their head down knowing they have to play against him. Nobody wants to play with Lebron or some.
They both are little boys chasing Bill Russell they chase five or six championships did Bill Russell has 11 rings on his hand 8 in a row even Jordan himself said he would rather have 11 rings than all the accolades he said Bill Russell is the goat No doubt that don't mean s***championships mean everything
@vonmillerexpress5852 Russel won when there were only 11 teams. In addition, he did not win by himself. Of course jordan did not win the 6 champs on his own but has other thinks like everything mvp, 10 scoring titles, more competition, dpoy, etc. Dunk contest championship, clutch, etc. Russell did not have that 😂
@@denisseceballos2258- they didn't really have trades then either. Drafting was really the only way to get a stronger team. Or if the other team sustained a injury.
Nike had conditions before giving MJ a contract. Either be rookie of the year, or average 20 points per game, or be an all star, or sell $4 mill worth of shoes in a year. Jordan was rookie of the year, scored 28.2 points per game, named all star, and nike sold $100mil of shoes in 1984-85. Greatest for a reason....Everything MJ accomplished in life was Gold...His Mindset was untouchable
And got his pops killed for not throwing game and gambling and he is terrible person alcohol and coke head 😂 he didn't take off nba forced him to they knew what went down with pops
I've read somewhere on Social Media, someone says. "When you’re the greatest they’ll tell stories about your greatness!!! The others will promote themselves" This one hits hard!
Reason #1: When LeBron was a free agent in 2010 he said "I want to be the greatest of all time, and that means having more championships than Mike" and he left Cleveland to chase championships. If he wanted to chase longevity and stats to be the GOAT, he could have stayed in Cleveland his entire career and achieved that. LeBron set the bar that the goal was rings, and MJ still has more rings.
You forgot: • Underdog and undersized • NCAA Champion (game winning shot) • Made Nike into what it is today • Made the NBA explode internationally • Three-peats, took a break to play baseball, then came back and won three in a row again.
Huge MJ fan and always thought the 6-0 was overblown. BUT thinking about it again, it is very impressive to never lose after 6 trips and never a game 7. I never really realized how crazy that actually is
It's a big deal and people really don't value it like they should. He did it twice. Just look at Golden State. They know exactly how hard it is. The pressure. The fatigue. The burn out. It takes alot to make that happen. The fact MJ took 2 years off and came back to 3 peat AGAIN just adds to the story. He wasn't playing basketball. He was rusty af. Still came back and dominated 3 years in a row. It really is incredible and people don't realize how much effort it takes to be that type of champion. MJ wanted it.
@@ikiwheese Jordan had all the best defenders on his team every time he won but all the greats was hurt so of course he should have 3peated but Bird still is his DADDY who he never could beat in a playoff game 😂😂😂
ADD: - Never Lost to a team he was favored to beat in the finals - Won DPOY (and scoring title) as a guard - Played with fewer HOFers than others in GOAT conversation - Better season leading in block shots and steals in same season - Won DPOY, Slam dunk comp, All-Star MVP, League MVP, Championship series MVP and NBA title in same season - Many other accolades not mentioned here
The one of winning DPOY and title in the same year is false. Only year he got the DPOY was in 1988. He won his first title in 1991. Correct your information.
Two other underrated stats. Only three players in NBA history ever had 100 blocks 200 steals, Olajuwon, Pippen who did it once. MJ did it twice while also leading the league in scoring. So UNLIKE LJ he was great on both ends of the floor. Stat two. MJ lead the league in steals and scoring for two consecutive seasons. Lebron has never lead the league in any defensive category. In either of those two back to back seasons MJ averaged more points and steals than LJ averaged in his best season.
he had to get the greatest 3 point % shooter ever, best rebounder ever, with the best coach ever and the best European player ever and a top 50 player he did that during the expansion era he better win it wasn't hard to win in that weak era even the rockets won back to back and lakers had a 3 peat all in his watered down era why you think we don't see 3 peats in the nba now
Aside from the 6 Rings, 6 Finals MVP's, 5 season MVP's, 10 scoring titles, 1 DPOY, Jordan is still: - Most exciting player to ever touch a basketball - Best hand skills ever seen - Best footwork ever seen - Most creative offensive skills ever - Most graceful and pleasing player to watch - Best midrange game ever seen The world has regarded Jordan the GOAT for 25 years for all these and many more reasons
'His opponents were old!!' Shannon, MJ was older than ALL of the Pistons when he was winning his last 3 rings. The Bulls were literally the OLDEST team in the league in 1998, yet still out shined everyone. The Pistons got beat, because the Bulls wised up to their antics and MJ learned to trust his teammates. Sit down, dry your eyes that your King lost, yet again, and listen to what Daddy Smith is telling you.
I'm so tired of the... " The pistons were old" lie. That year the starting 5 was as follows. Isaiah age 29-30 All-star Dumars age 27-28 All-star- All Defense- All NBA Rodman age 29-30 DPOY - All Defense Mark Aguirre age 31 John Salley age 26 They were young, 2x NBA champions and Jordan came in and defeated one the best teams in the league that year and broke their Dynasty up.
Oh, absolutely. The Pistons suddenly got 'old' one year after winning their second NBA title in a row. Magically. Out of nowhere. Most amazing, intelligent and logical argument I have ever heard. Bravo. First class.
the energy of Stephen A. everytime he's going to discuss who's the GOAT or defend MJ as the GOAT is unmatched! he's like an excited kid resiting his favorite poem infront of everybody 😁
crazy how people say jordan needed pippen. let's give 'em that. if that's the logic, then lebron needed wade, bosh, irving, love and davis and what? still 4 and 6 in the finals? not a hater. just using logic
Even Jordan needed a team around him. That was the difference in the first stage of Jordan's career and then when he finally got over the Pistons hump and got his first chip. He had a team finally built around him and got a coach that didn't rely on him to do everything in the games. The problem is people like to make the argument that Pippen made Jordan. The fact is you put Pippen on any other team in the NBA at that time. He doesn't become anywhere close to the player he became with out Jordan. Jordan took all those guys who had talent like Pippen and Grant and molded them into top tier NBA players with the help of Phil of course and his coaching strategy with the triangle. On the other side. Who did Lebron make better? He didn't. He joined players that were already top tier talent to win championships, and even that in many years wasn't enough as the Spurs whipped him until they got too old. Lebron doesn't have the leadership that Jordan had, and he certainly doesn't have that assassins mentality that Jordan had. The only player that can even come close to what Jordan was is Kobe Bryant. Who himself admitted...he doesn't get that with out Jordan as his mentor. Nothing I have just said is debatable. It's facts. 100% true, and if people don't get it. It's because they just don't understand or are too busy blinding themselves with prisoner of the moment emotions. Lebron is the current thing. Still fresh in everyone's mind. Jordan has been gone for a long time now. Soon Lebron will be gone, and we'll have another guy that people will swear is the GOAT. It's just the way it is, but it doesn't make it true. Jordan. GOAT. End of story.
@@Patrick-sb7ko Yea, and do you think he does that with out Jordan molding him into the player he was? Your lying to yourself if you think he does. Pippen would of never been half the player he was with out Jordan and Phil Jackson, and that is just facts.
Jordan leads in points, averaging 30.1 to 27.1, but James beats Jordan in rebounds, 7.5 to 6.2; assists, 7.4 to 5.3; field goal percentages, 50.5 to 49.7; and 3-point percentages, 34.7 to 32.7.
6 finals, 6 wins.... THAT'S THE STANDARD required to dethrone Jordan. When a player outdoes that .... gladly give them their flowers. Until then.... this is the standard.
Never forget that many players in the 80's era mention that they have to sleep early and mentally prepare when playing against the bulls. Thats how scary it is. They also mention that if you dont bring your A game, the bulls will eat you live.
"Michael never asked me to go get players from other teams. He thought he was so good he could win with anyone." - Jerry Krouse. MJ didn't just win 6 rings. He THREE-PEATED TWICE. That's a completely different level. MJ brand is a side effect of what he did on the court. MJ is the GOAT because he MASTERED THE GAME. Mastered the whole sport and elevated it to the level of Art. There is truly no comparison, past or present. I'm seriously not sure Lebron is a top five. Is he better than Bird, Magic, Kareem, Wilt and even Curry?
The crazy part about Michael Jordan is that he has an entire different level of stats and accolades that no one will ever be able to touch in a 10 year stretch.
Magic was 31 when he lost to Jordan in the Finals, that wasn’t old even then. MJ was 35 in his last Finals! And with those Pistons, Rodman (27), Dumars (27), Thomas (29). Again, not old.
Most people had the Lakers favored to win in 91. And the Pistons definitely weren’t old. They were the 2-time defending champions, many hadn’t even turned 30 yet, and they made it to the eastern conference finals. If they were so washed up how did they manage that? This is just the Jordan haters trying to rewrite history. If they were old in 91 then the Bulls, as a bunch of senior citizens, apparently, somehow managed a 3-peat from 96-98.
What SAS was trying to explain in the video before Shannon Sharpe interrupted - players such as Kevin Johnson, Shawn Kemp, Detlef Schrempf, Terry Porter, Jeff Hornacek, and Dan Majerle were every bit the players and competitors Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili, Klay Thompson, and Draymond Green were and just as tough to beat in the Finals.
Never forget how Chuck Daly, coach of the bad boys Detroit Pistons once said “this guy is literally embarrassing the league” speaking of Jordan. What coach, player or fan has ever said something like that about Lebron?
Every time I see a LeBron clip he's "dramatically" falling to the floor. How has he scored any points sitting on the floor? (BTW I haven't watched pro basketball since the early 2000s).
“The Pistons were old when MJ beat em” IT was 29, Dumars was 27, Aguirre was 31, Rodman was 29. That’s a lie common amongst Bronsexuals. And stop telling me about how Bron had to face the Spurs and the Warriors as his competition when Bron lost to them more than he’s won. Bron is 1-2 vs the Spurs in the finals and he is 1-3 vs the Warriors in the finals.
you do realize when people say he had to go against the spurs and the warriors they say it not because he beat them no, they say it because the level of competition like the warriors had four HOFers and the spurs had if not four then three HOFers on their team compared to Lebron who when he went up against the warriors the only other player at the time who can be considered a HOFer is Kyrie and even when he was on the heat although he had wade and Bosh both Wade and Bosh were either hurt or were dealing with health issues and Lebron was the only healthy one out of the three so please lets be real when we talk about stuff like this cuz you just sayin nonsense
Shannon Sharpe doesn’t consider the fact that Hall-of-Fame players are not automatically better players or tougher competition than Non-Hall-of-Fame players. While Draymond Green has played an important role on the Warriors Championship teams, he would not be considered a strong candidate for the Hall-of-Fame without the championships the Warriors won. In contrast, Jeff Hornacek would be the 3rd Jazz player in the Hall of Fame had the Jazz beat the Bulls in the ‘97 and ‘98 finals. Jordan and the Bulls prevented several Hall-of-Fame caliber players from getting the championship they needed on their resume that may have gotten them into the Hall.
It's funny I've seen lebron beaten an aging spurs team back in 2013 and lost to an aging spurs team the following year in 2014 with a record margin lol they won't bring that up 😂
Fun fact: Jordan has the second-highest assist average in the NBA finals next to Magic. He averaged 11.4 assists in the 1991 NBA finals. That's more than John Stockton, Lebron James, Oscar Robinson, Jason Kidd, etc.
Just to play the counterargument: Fun fact: LeBron has taken about four times more 3pt attempts than Jordan did in his career, and James STILL has a significantly higher career 3pt % than Jordan. Another fun fact: Career playoff series wins: Pippen without Jordan - 3 Jordan without Pippen - ZERO. Michael Jordan never won a SINGLE PLAYOFF SERIES without Scotty Pippen as his running mate and Phil Jackson as his coach.
Jordan wasn’t a 3 point shooter. Jordan played 12 seasons with the bulls and played two seasons with the wizards to finish his career. Pippen went to play with the rockets and the blazers. The longest teammate bron ever played with is Zydrunas Ilgauskas. They played 8 seasons together and don’t have nothing to show for it.
@@larsonpark3819 Seriously dude? I was giving a fun fact that shows Jordan wasn't just a scorer. Jordan did shoot 3s they weren't a part of his game. And did you know he had a season averaging 37 a game with less than 1 shot attempt from 3? Also you bringing up Jordan's records before and with Scottie shows you are clueless about the truth. Their first playoff game together Pippen and Grant combined averaged around 20 points. Jordan averaged over 40. Jordan also averages 43 points vs the 86 Celtics. Jordan also won 6 finals MVPs. Tell me who needed who?
Quite a casual comment. The bulls were stacked especially the 2nd 3 peat. Jordan, pippen, rodman, Steve ker, Ron Harper, and Toni kukoc. They had the best record 72-10 in NBA history at the time until golden state beat it later I believe year 2016 when they lost to the Cleveland in the finals. The Jordans team was stacked. Lol they were suppose to win it all with that team. When your franchise build your team with great players you don't need to jump around to make it. No matter how good Jordan was he had a great supporting cast to win. Lebron never had a pippen or rodman until he went to Miami and he won 2. However 2011 was inexcusable. But don't pretend like Jordan had it so hard he carried that bulls team every year on his back 😂.
@@RTXSimplicity true, but for the exception of Rodman and Harper, this team was organically built from the ground up around Jordan. He never left the team that drafted him to join 2 superstars in hopes of winning not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5.......etc.
Bruh Jordan didn't advance past the first round without Scottie pippen... I love how yall just skip ahead to the NBA finals and make that into what Jordan's career was
@@rj_vice Losing in round until Pippen came >>> Not making the playoffs at all until Larry Hudges came Winning 6 rings within 2 3-peats >>> Making 8 straight finals 🐐Jordan 6 rings -Beat 🐐 PG Magic Johnson -Beat Pre injury 25 PPG Clyde Drextler -Beat 62-20 Suns & MVP Charles Barkley -Beat 64-18 Super Sonic’s & DPOY Payton -Beat 64-18 Jazz & MVP Karl Malone 2 years in a row Bron First team all pros beat in 8 straight finals : Derrick Rose Bron fans Always remember : -Winning the finals is better then making the finals -Losing in round 1 for the first 3 years is better then missing the playoffs the first 2 years
I always believed Jordan made his teammates better. I don't recall flopping when Jordan was playing. Game was tougher back then as well. When we say G O A T we also talking about the era so what do you think each of these players would be capable of on eachothers era?
@@Commenting800 I love russell to death but don't compare bill rusell to mj.... rusell couldn't even average 20 ppg in those times, he's not in a class with the kobes, jordans and lebrons of the world
MJ wasn’t just the best player in basketball, no joke, watching him felt like the anime protagonist of the NBA. Dude literally does movie like stuff on the court. He defined style, moves, what kids want to do in the backyard.
Easy to explain why lebron not even a top 3, he chose shortcut to form superteams. Swap kd to lead wade, bosh, allen, irving, love i think kd would have gotten 3 chips too
@@gameyee8251 Wait, what? Durant has played for four teams, and all four of them were stacked with max-salary all-star talent, and he only won a chip when he joined a team that literally could've won that chip without him.
It's worth noting that after three consecutive years of going pre-season to Finals, Jordan quit the sport. Then did it again, and again quit the sport. It takes an unbelievable amount of fortitude to do what James did -- keep going at the SAME level (25pts per game for 20 consecutive years) and just keep dragging WHOEVER he played with deep in the playoffs. THAT's consistency.
@@Commenting800compare their first two seasons and who actually had a impact on turning a franchise around early in their careers . LeBron couldn't even sniff the playoffs in his first two seasons . MJ also ended the showtime Lakers dynasty
Magic was 32 and James Worthy was 30 when they played the Bulls in the finals. When Bulls beat the Pistons to get to that first finals, Isaiah Thomas was 30. Since when did we start calling players old at 30 and 32 People can't use that argument of MJ's opponents being too old. It's a disrespect to those greats.
I wont lie, this is the best way to make an arguement about this GOAT conversation. Forget about stat but how they approach NBA games. Beat your nemesis(whether they are old or not same team) and stood there for years to let them know its not by chance or mistakes. He is born to be great and maintain the greatness
EXACTLY READ OMG HERE WE GO AGAIN Been a Couple of Years Since I SHUT FRAUD JORDAN FANS AZZ UP BUT HERE WE GO , LAKERS NATION HERE , I am a Magic /Kobe Fan Before Bron , And I Certainly AM NO MICHAEL FRAUD JORDAN FAN , FACT NO. 1 Magic Came Into The League In 1980 and Changed it to What it is Now He and Bird , Magic Won a Chip In His 1st Year , It Took AIR FRAUD 7 YEARS TO Even Get to The Finals To get The 1st. While The Lakers of The 80's With Kareem and Co , And The Sixers With Dr. J , And The Celtics With Bird and Co and The Pistons With Isaiah Played and That's The WHOLE DECADE AIR FRAUD WENT NOWHERE 000000000000 NOWHERE AND HE CAME INTO THE LEAGUE IN THE FIRST HALF OF THE 80'S .1984 HE COULD NOT BEAT THE TEAMS OF THE 80'S THOSE ARE THE ONLY 4 TEAMS THAT WON CHIPS IN THE 80'S 0000000000 FOR AIR FRAUD ,HE DID NOT BEAT THE LAKERS WITH KAREEM , WORTHY AND MAGIC. WHEN AIR FRAUD FINALLY WON IN THE 90'S OTHER THAN THE LAKERS HE BEAT HIGHSCHOOL TEAMS ALL THE TEAMS THAT COULD NOT GET A CHIP IN THE 80'S , HIGHSCHOOL TEAMS , ORLANDO LOL , HOUSTON TRIED 2 TIMES BEAT DOWN BY THE CELTICS IN THE 80'S , AND UTAH THEY COULD NEVER GET PAST THE LAKERS IN THE WEST IN THE 80'S , AIR FRAUD BEAT HIGHSCHOOL TEAMS . 7 YEARS TO GET A CHIP BY THAT TIME MAGIC HAD 5 ALREADY AND HE HAD GONE TO 8 FINALS AND WE WERE ROBBED IN 84 AND 86 BY THE REFS OR IT'S A DIFFERENT STORY . More FACTS , Most Points Bron ,Kareem Before Both Lakers , Most Points in a Game Wilt Then Kobe Both LAKERS , Most Championchips Bill Russell with 11 Rings , You Read That Right , Even Robert Hory Has 7 Rings , Most Assists Chris Paul YOU CANNOT BE THE GREATEST IF YOU ARE NOT THE GOAT IN ANY ONE CATAGORY ,Even His Moves Were Taken from Dr. J , OK AIR FRAUD FANS READ THESE FACTS AND THEN TRY AND CONVINCE ANYONE THAT AIR FRAUD IS THE GOAT , BUT MAKE IT MAKE SENSE , WHILE YOU TRY AND DEFEND A FANTASY . . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . YOU WERE DOOPED INTO BUYING OVER PRICED NIKES LOL LOL LOL MAGIC'S THE GOAT , AND CERTAINLY NOT AIR FRAUD WHO COULD NOT BEAT ANY OF THE 80'S TEAMS
But its a team sport, not 1 v 1 like boxing or MMA. How can they beat their ''nemesis'' without the help from their team mates who also need to be ''star players'', Jordan couldn't beat his nemesis without the help from Pippen.
Nobody mentions that the game is not officiated today - for example, nobody calls traveling any more and leflop always travels when driving. Consequently, virtually all of leflop's points from drives would not even be counted in MJ's times. I know what the media have to have something to discuss all the time, but to even consider putting leflop above Mike is ridiculous.
Shannon said Isaiah and magic was old when Jordan beat them but magic was 31 and Isaiah was 29 meanwhile Duncan was 37 in 2014 and Kidd was 37 and Dirk was 32 in 2011 😂😂😂😂
And for comparison, in the 34th year of his life that old geezer Jordan _only_ won: Regular season MVP All-Star MVP Finals MVP Scoring title 1st Team All-NBA 1st Team All-Defense Finished 4th in the DPOY voting and played all 82 games...again
Mj beat Majic after Magic was in his 9th nba finals and without Kareem, so he didn't beat da showtime lakers, he beat Clyde, that was probably his best match up, he beat Dan Marley and Lil Kevin Johnson, he beat lil Gary Payton and he beat Jeff Hornacek and Lil John Stockton compared to Bron beating KD, Russell, and Harden, Steph and Clay, Tim, Ginobli, Parker, and Leonard, unc saying Bron competition was a lil better in da finals, Bron actually beat a few legendary hof's teams when mj didn't, mj won and dominated da league during da 90's expansion Era, but his bias fans not go say that especially on t.v., we've all seen mj's match ups during all his finals runs and I gotta admit he really didn't have nothing but one decent match up and that was da 92 finals against Drexler and even that was suspect, meanwhile Bron was matched up against KD over and over again, Tim over and over again, Dirk, Leonard, Steph over and over again, and beat da best team ever da 73-9 warriors, yep Bron da G.O.A.T!!!
@@orlandohenderson2185bro what are you talking about LBJ is a great player not the goat bro LBJ has a lot of flaws lost that kills his legacy , second of all which great ever said there where the goat my men no great it's others who testified of MJ greatness bro LBJ is not the 🐐 MJ is stop forcing sir LBJ he is great but he is not the GOAT
Top 5 reasons why Lebron is the GOAT: *honorable mention: Role Model* 5. Longevity 4. Competition 3. Hype and Pressure 2. Better all around player 1. Incompetent front offices
@@ThisAinThatMetro His role modeling was showing everyone flopping, ring chasing, and abusing free agency is ok 5. He's just old, big whoop. MJ was an all star at 38 and 39 lol and the best in his team, LeBron isn't even that 4. Jordan played much much better competition 3. Bron hyped himself up, congratulations? 😂 MJ let his game do the talking, he didn't need to be hyped up. 2. Not a better all around player, if you ever saw either of them play you'd know that. 1. Lebron was effectively the GM, he hires and fires his coaches, he recruits his superteams. It's on LeBron when it doesn't work
@@josiahgoshert5023 “less help” go look at how many top 15 draft picks the bulls had until they won their first title and if Jordan was that good why are that picking that high every year? Do your research thats why my #1 reason is incompetent front offices they hit on almost all of those picks.
I'm a casual from the Caribbean, when I grew up in the 90s the bigs M was Michael Jackson, Michael Jordan and Madonna, I remember vaguely when I was 5-6, My aunt was a fan of Michael Jordan and played hoops, we watched the basketball highlights on TV in the afternoon and walked to the closest park to play, 50% of the kids were MJ the other 50% were soccer players fans In every town it was the same, he brought the ball to the masses... the Jesus of basketball... Obviously, with time the game becomes more professional, athletic, and technical with improved training, conditioning, and popularity, Lebron James at the top of this era is legitimately on the GOAT debate, like Kobe was at his time, and like the other top player of his era will be (people already talking of Wemby as the new GOAT)... No one can match MJ's cultural impact/transformation that gives him this GOAT status. Despite, more stats, more rings, or accolades, they can only be followers as he was the one to spread the religion of basketball around the world. Same debate between Pelé and Messi...
Forget the Finals. He trails Jordan in major individual accolades as well. Despite playing over 5 more seasons. A player is mostly responsible for individual accolades, not the team.
Most of the hall of famer in basketball played in the Jordan era. Jordan keep many ppl from a chip, lebron kept noone from a chip, everybody ate good and came back for seconds.. 😂
No one talks about how beautiful his game was. He accomplished all those stats with next to Kyrie Erving Michael Jordan has the most beautiful style of play. Basketball is an art. MJ is hands down the greatest player to ever play basketball.
OMG HERE WE GO AGAIN Been a Couple of Years Since I SHUT FRAUD JORDAN FANS AZZ UP BUT HERE WE GO , LAKERS NATION HERE , I am a Magic /Kobe Fan Before Bron , And I Certainly AM NO MICHAEL FRAUD JORDAN FAN , FACT NO. 1 Magic Came Into The League In 1980 and Changed it to What it is Now He and Bird , Magic Won a Chip In His 1st Year , It Took AIR FRAUD 7 YEARS TO Even Get to The Finals To get The 1st. While The Lakers of The 80's With Kareem and Co , And The Sixers With Dr. J , And The Celtics With Bird and Co and The Pistons With Isaiah Played and That's The WHOLE DECADE AIR FRAUD WENT NOWHERE 000000000000 NOWHERE AND HE CAME INTO THE LEAGUE IN THE FIRST HALF OF THE 80'S .1984 HE COULD NOT BEAT THE TEAMS OF THE 80'S THOSE ARE THE ONLY 4 TEAMS THAT WON CHIPS IN THE 80'S 0000000000 FOR AIR FRAUD ,HE DID NOT BEAT THE LAKERS WITH KAREEM , WORTHY AND MAGIC. WHEN AIR FRAUD FINALLY WON IN THE 90'S OTHER THAN THE LAKERS HE BEAT HIGHSCHOOL TEAMS ALL THE TEAMS THAT COULD NOT GET A CHIP IN THE 80'S , HIGHSCHOOL TEAMS , ORLANDO LOL , HOUSTON TRIED 2 TIMES BEAT DOWN BY THE CELTICS IN THE 80'S , AND UTAH THEY COULD NEVER GET PAST THE LAKERS IN THE WEST IN THE 80'S , AIR FRAUD BEAT HIGHSCHOOL TEAMS . 7 YEARS TO GET A CHIP BY THAT TIME MAGIC HAD 5 ALREADY AND HE HAD GONE TO 8 FINALS AND WE WERE ROBBED IN 84 AND 86 BY THE REFS OR IT'S A DIFFERENT STORY . More FACTS , Most Points Bron ,Kareem Before Both Lakers , Most Points in a Game Wilt Then Kobe Both LAKERS , Most Championchips Bill Russell with 11 Rings , You Read That Right , Even Robert Hory Has 7 Rings , Most Assists Chris Paul YOU CANNOT BE THE GREATEST IF YOU ARE NOT THE GOAT IN ANY ONE CATAGORY ,Even His Moves Were Taken from Dr. J , OK AIR FRAUD FANS READ THESE FACTS AND THEN TRY AND CONVINCE ANYONE THAT AIR FRAUD IS THE GOAT , BUT MAKE IT MAKE SENSE , WHILE YOU TRY AND DEFEND A FANTASY . . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . YOU WERE DOOPED INTO BUYING OVER PRICED NIKES LOL LOL LOL MAGIC'S THE GOAT , AND CERTAINLY NOT AIR FRAUD WHO COULD NOT BEAT ANY OF THE 80'S TEAMS
A lot of people only focus on the offensive part. Take note that MJ had the most All-Defensive First Team Awards in the NBA. He was 3x steals leader, and he has a Defensive Player of the Year award - the same year he was also MVP. You see, MJ dominated BOTH offense and defense.
Yep mj is the goat he wanted the ball at the end and he delivered. Midrange master defeated so many hall of gamers and top 75 players. The poll shows what the world thinks.
Jordan's Bulls are the first, fourth, and sixth oldest team to win a championship. The 2011 Mavs are the second oldest. The 2007 Spurs are the fifth oldest. The 2014 Spurs are the tenth oldest. Age can't be used as an excuse.
Magic wasnt even that old when he played jordan he was like top 3 mvp and top seed in his conference Meanwhile lebron loses to mavs and cant guard players half his size
Only dif was the talent level at the G position. The closest thing to MJ during his reign at shooting gaurd was probably Clyde Drexler...maybe D Wilk, but every other 2 guard was just a shooter. MJ was ahead of his time during that error. And the 90s was perfect for him to dominate. His dominance came at the end of the careers of Magic, Bird and the bad boy pistons, and it was before the likes of Shaq n Kobe, the Duncan Spurs, other top Gaurds like AI, Kobe...etc. He reigned supreme at the end of a great era and when the others were babies. Probably got lucky he missed the Rockets those 2 years in the Finals too
The majority of people arguing for lebron never saw Jordan play. It truly is what era you were raised in for the majority of people. I’m 21 and I think mj is clearly the goat, and this is coming from someone who’s watched and cheered for lbj all my life.
Jordan also kept improving and updating his game over the championship seasons. His fade-aways kept getting better during the second 3 rings. It’s hard to get this from highlight videos.
@@Mewfew22 I hear you pops……all I’m saying this goat don’t lead and none of the major statistical categories and was a janitor without pippen…..because for some reason he kept using a broom
@@nomarxistspls90i can get if you say he was just flatout not better than mj but one bad performance is what made it impossible to come back for is crazy 😂 i never get that argument if lebron wouldve won every finals after you still would it still be that one you were stuck on?? Or you just in totality it isnt close
Apart from the being 6-0 in the finals, the rest of his reasons are subjective. That's why the debate continues. Just focus on his awards and accolades and compare it to the others. Debate over.
Not only all the accomplishments he was incredible to watch. Every evening after high school I’d turn to TNT/TBS and MJ would be there fading away after fade away, buss beaters
Mj raised his performance in the playoffs , especially end of the 4th quarters . Dudes status as goat is untouchable . Haven’t seen a player as good as Jordan since he retired . No one as dominant . Eye test and all , mj stands alone at the top .
Reasons are terrible why not use the fact that He has 6 rings 6 finals mvps 5 mvps Defensive player of the year 2nd Most defensive first teams ever 3x steals title 10x scoring titles Highest ppg avg all time. Defeated showtime lakers and bad boy pistons Game winning shots, good efficiency , has highlights against other greats, 72 win season Nun of that? Just stupid.
Don't forget this important stat. People don't consider any great team as an all time great team unless they 3peat, Jordan and the Bulls did it twice. Bulls won 72-W and 10-L with an NBA Championship. GSW beat the all time win loss record but it killed their team because they loss in the NBA Finals because of injuries.
I totally agree with Shannon about the Jordan brand being more of a lifestyle than anything else basketball related nowadays. But if we look deeper, why did the Jordan brand became a lifestyle brand rather than an actual sports brand? And I believe that the answer is because, MJ was so iconic during his time that everyone wanted to wear what he was wearing. Even non basketball fans, when the Jordan 11 was released, (I'm 40 y.o. btw) were buying and wearing those 11s. The impact MJ had all over the world was so renowned that even people who aren't really into basketball knew who MJ was, and knew what the Jordan shoes were, and knew what the jumpman logo was. That it got carried over the years, decades even, that the iconic shoes became so much as a lifestyle wear. Imagine being so impactful to the sports world that the shoes themselves became a lifestyle brand. To think that there are a lot of basketball signature shoes that came after what Jordan wore during games that for me, are also well designed "lifestyle" wise, the Jordan brand carried on over the years. It just resonates how much impact MJ really made in sports.
If we forget about the 6-0 finals. Michael is tied for the most 1st team defensive all team 9 times Michael led the league in steals for 3 seasons Michael has won a DPOY Michael has won the ROY Michael has won both NBA finals MVP and Regular season MVP at least 5 times. Michael was a 10x scoring leader. The man was both a DEFENSIVE and OFFENSIVE monster. He played both sides.
OMG HERE WE GO AGAIN Been a Couple of Years Since I SHUT FRAUD JORDAN FANS AZZ UP BUT HERE WE GO , LAKERS NATION HERE , I am a Magic /Kobe Fan Before Bron , And I Certainly AM NO MICHAEL FRAUD JORDAN FAN , FACT NO. 1 Magic Came Into The League In 1980 and Changed it to What it is Now He and Bird , Magic Won a Chip In His 1st Year , It Took AIR FRAUD 7 YEARS TO Even Get to The Finals To get The 1st. While The Lakers of The 80's With Kareem and Co , And The Sixers With Dr. J , And The Celtics With Bird and Co and The Pistons With Isaiah Played and That's The WHOLE DECADE AIR FRAUD WENT NOWHERE 000000000000 NOWHERE AND HE CAME INTO THE LEAGUE IN THE FIRST HALF OF THE 80'S .1984 HE COULD NOT BEAT THE TEAMS OF THE 80'S THOSE ARE THE ONLY 4 TEAMS THAT WON CHIPS IN THE 80'S 0000000000 FOR AIR FRAUD ,HE DID NOT BEAT THE LAKERS WITH KAREEM , WORTHY AND MAGIC. WHEN AIR FRAUD FINALLY WON IN THE 90'S OTHER THAN THE LAKERS HE BEAT HIGHSCHOOL TEAMS ALL THE TEAMS THAT COULD NOT GET A CHIP IN THE 80'S , HIGHSCHOOL TEAMS , ORLANDO LOL , HOUSTON TRIED 2 TIMES BEAT DOWN BY THE CELTICS IN THE 80'S , AND UTAH THEY COULD NEVER GET PAST THE LAKERS IN THE WEST IN THE 80'S , AIR FRAUD BEAT HIGHSCHOOL TEAMS . 7 YEARS TO GET A CHIP BY THAT TIME MAGIC HAD 5 ALREADY AND HE HAD GONE TO 8 FINALS AND WE WERE ROBBED IN 84 AND 86 BY THE REFS OR IT'S A DIFFERENT STORY . More FACTS , Most Points Bron ,Kareem Before Both Lakers , Most Points in a Game Wilt Then Kobe Both LAKERS , Most Championchips Bill Russell with 11 Rings , You Read That Right , Even Robert Hory Has 7 Rings , Most Assists Chris Paul YOU CANNOT BE THE GREATEST IF YOU ARE NOT THE GOAT IN ANY ONE CATAGORY ,Even His Moves Were Taken from Dr. J , OK AIR FRAUD FANS READ THESE FACTS AND THEN TRY AND CONVINCE ANYONE THAT AIR FRAUD IS THE GOAT , BUT MAKE IT MAKE SENSE , WHILE YOU TRY AND DEFEND A FANTASY . . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . YOU WERE DOOPED INTO BUYING OVER PRICED NIKES LOL LOL LOL MAGIC'S THE GOAT , AND CERTAINLY NOT AIR FRAUD WHO COULD NOT BEAT ANY OF THE 80'S TEAMS
@@randallhendricks7679so is lebron your goat? coz i say you can't be the goat if you choke in 4th quarter of an nba finals. lebron got outplayed by jj barea and jason terry losing to an old dirk. if you're gonna be talking about stats like all time leader in points, you should bring up lebron being the all time leader in turnovers also. beating highschool teams? malone and stockton, payton and kemp, barkley and the suns. he beat the pistons. don't give me excuses like they were old coz the teams lebron beat were older like the spurs and the mavs. what did lebron win in his early years? i forgot, he went to miami and still lost and got outplayed by an old kidd and dirk. make it make sense
@randallhendricks7679 The GOAT is the player with the finest resume of achievements over there career yes ??? Thats Jordan, the Rings, MVP's, finals MVP's, scoring titles, DPOY, highest Box plus minus score, highest Player Efficiency Rating, Highest scoring average, highest finals scoring average, about 30 records still unbroken. Do your research my man, there are a million reasons why Jordan has been regarded the GOAT for 25 years already by the majority of the planet. Im waiting for your reply !!!!!
Lebron literally does everything better than Kobe including scoring. Lebron averages more points, has a higher FG percentage, a higher 3pt percentage, more assists, more rebounds, more steals, more blocks, more MVPs, more Finals MVPs, more all star appearances, and more all-nba teams. There is ZERO argument for Kobe over Lebron.
don't be foolish. lebron is better than kobe at almost every aspect. kobe only has 2 rings as the best player. lebron has better individual stats all-around than kobe. points per game, rebounds per game, assists per game, blocks per game, steals per game, better field goal percentage, better 3 point percentage. lebron is a better all-around player and a more valuable player than kobe. even eye test shows that lebron is better. I even feel like I'm being nice to kobe by putting him top 5, but lebron and mj is definitely better than kobe and it's not worth the discussion. kobe is a tier behind both mj and lebron.
MJ got into the Goat conversation organically. I few times in LB's career, he made it clear that he wanted to be the Goat. I specifically recall him saying that in 2013. He had a goal to be the Goat and pursued that goal. But MJ on the other hand didn't care about being the Goat. The man retired the first time after just 9 seasons....that doesn't sound like someone wanting to be the greatest ever. All he wanted to do was to win every game that he played. So for him to be in the conversation of Goat without even trying to be the Goat to me is more impressive.
GOATS do not get sent home in shame during the first round of the playoffs. GOATS do not want anything to do with a fake in-season tournament. GOATS have style and class both on and off the court.
and all of those numbers are bigger than lebrons. jordan also has the highest ppg regular season and highest ppg playoffs in nba history. 6-0 better than 4-6. michael jordan is a better attacking player and better defender. and he is more clutch. lebron is 2nd greatest player of all time, but jordan is the goat.
yes but it's BS. Jordan build nothing. The GM did. People really tend to confuse Jordan and the the 90's Bulls Jordan didn't had a 72-10 record, the bulls did. Jordan didn't won 6 rings, the bulls did. He was not alone. It's a team sport. No one wins in isolation. Jordan himself said it. It's useless trying to find a goat. But a greatest team ever ? That makes more sense. And the 90's bull are a serious contender.
Yall take anything that man says out of context. He was asked how to play perfect basketball, LeBron said "it's just basketball" meaning it ain't hard to figure out. Swear most of yall don't use your brain
My Reasons why MJ is the GOAT 5 - Boldness/Confidence Michael Jordan epitomized boldness on the basketball court. He fearlessly took on challenges, whether it was facing tough defenders, taking the last shot in critical moments, or leading his team through adversity. His confidence in his abilities allowed him to make daring plays and take calculated risks, often resulting in spectacular performances and game-winning plays. 4 - Ferociousness On the court, Jordan exhibited a ferocious competitiveness that set him apart from his peers. He attacked every game with an aggressive mindset, relentlessly driving to the basket, fiercely defending his opponents, and refusing to back down from any challenge. 3 - Unyielding Michael Jordan did not waver under pressure. He is an example of a player who embraces pressure in games and never showed any signs of giving up. 2 - Determination for excellence Jordan refused to settle for mediocrity and demanded nothing but the best from himself and his teammates. 1 - Marketability His boldness on the court made him entertaining to watch but MJ was also charismatic. He became bigger than the game and trailblazed next level endorsements for players. Others may possess some of these qualities but MJ embodied them all to the max and this is why he was considered a GOAT before he had even won a championship. These qualities can be backed by his individual accolades. Being 6-0 in finals is just a nice team stat to go along with his greatness. Same goes for the "no game 7" narrative. MJ was already a GOAT but the Bulls had finally built a strong team (including coaches etc) to help win the chips. Nobody wins a championship alone.
Why comparing Lebron to Jordan is blastmous Lebron need 2 elite superstars to win championship on Heat Jordan going to score unguarded in playoffs mindset different Lebron want be 6ft8 250 Point guard Jordan want score 50😂
“He got six final wins, not six final losses” should be a bar
@elijahbatchelor9125 We also don’t talk about the six times That Jordan didn’t make it through the playoffs and the 4 times he got bounced out in the first round to crackheads.
Bounced out by one of the greatest celtics teams ever and the bad boy pistons😮💨
@@kite36 we also don't talk about Jordan faking retirement so he could duck the heat of his gambling schemes that were about to take him down
but yeah it's wild how making it to the Finals and losing is somehow worse in peoples minds than getting beat in the 2nd rd...... give MJ in his prime a supporting cast of Tristan Thompson and Matthew Dellavedova and lets see what happens lol
@@kite36 That was early in his career before he was great. Why not talk about all of the times Lebron got bounced out and didn't make the Finals. First round exits. Sweeps. Why do yall Bronnies not count the many times Lebron didn't make it to the Nba Finals?
@@kite36 3 peat, retires, comes back a year and a half later, 3 peat again. Has Lebalco ever 3 peated with all them super teams he had?? NOPE!
U guys are still debating that stuff? MJ made the universe fall in love with the game. The man retired and is still the standard that all others are compared to. People are still fighting for Jordans in 2024
They were actually killing people for Jordans back in the 90's.
Kobe continued it for his story and the LeBron for his that's how I treat it there's always one who has a story dominates the game and passes the torch on for their story
Kobe is the GOAT
The media start it over and over again, cause it is easy. It starts useless debates, people arguing about "what if", srarting to hate each other for no reason other than nonsense GOAT arguments and the best part, they all got distracted from their miserable life, insane politics, collapsing economy, increasing crime, deeply split society and an ever growing international tension which could potential kill us all....
The man retired over 20yrs ago. But it still takes a debate to argue that a current player is greater.. than him and he still comes out on top.. the debate in itself is of no use the answer is in the fact that current players have not been able to make us forget his greatness
It’s been 25 years since Michael Jordan retired (1999-2024) & he’s still labeled the GOAT, STILL selling more merch than any player everrrrr
Jordan came back for the Wizard years
@@RandomUser11369 We don’t count those 2 Wizard years
As a Lebron fan.......Jordan is the GOAT! A player can score 30 with another team and get with Lebron and can't hit. Too many people got rings during Lebron time. Nobody in the NBA fears him or hold their head down knowing they have to play against him. Nobody wants to play with Lebron or some.
They both are little boys chasing Bill Russell they chase five or six championships did Bill Russell has 11 rings on his hand 8 in a row even Jordan himself said he would rather have 11 rings than all the accolades he said Bill Russell is the goat No doubt that don't mean s***championships mean everything
@vonmillerexpress5852 Russel won when there were only 11 teams. In addition, he did not win by himself. Of course jordan did not win the 6 champs on his own but has other thinks like everything mvp, 10 scoring titles, more competition, dpoy, etc. Dunk contest championship, clutch, etc. Russell did not have that 😂
@@vonmillerexpress5852 Bill isn't the goat either
@@vonmillerexpress5852you haven’t been following basketball that long. Russel won in an era that was comparable to the Jurassic period
@@denisseceballos2258- they didn't really have trades then either. Drafting was really the only way to get a stronger team. Or if the other team sustained a injury.
MJ actually is 11-0 in Finals
6-0 NBA Finals
2-0 Fiba World
2-0 Olympics
1-0 NCAA
Team stats
@@lukeskywalkermod3686 yeah not 4-6
Although not a finals but 8 - 0 for college ballers vs NBA superstars in warm up games for 1984 Olympics
@@Kenjardo yep thats a fact that lecult wont admit
LeFlop and Shannon should read this.
Nike had conditions before giving MJ a contract. Either be rookie of the year, or average 20 points per game, or be an all star, or sell $4 mill worth of shoes in a year. Jordan was rookie of the year, scored 28.2 points per game, named all star, and nike sold $100mil of shoes in 1984-85. Greatest for a reason....Everything MJ accomplished in life was Gold...His Mindset was untouchable
And got his pops killed for not throwing game and gambling and he is terrible person alcohol and coke head 😂 he didn't take off nba forced him to they knew what went down with pops
@@atonscottYou’re hateful and crazy go get your mental checked 😂
@@atonscott What may or may not have happened with his father has nothing to do with his accomplishments on the court.
@@atonscottcan you type or are you having a seizure? Oh you’re dumb.
@atonscott what a terrible analogy to bring his dad into his accomplishments in bball. lmao what a f*kin l0zer you are bro
I've read somewhere on Social Media, someone says. "When you’re the greatest they’ll tell stories about your greatness!!!
The others will promote themselves" This one hits hard!
That’s a version of Walter Payton’s quote: “when you’re good, you’ll tell everybody. When you’re great, everybody will tell you.”
Reason #1: When LeBron was a free agent in 2010 he said "I want to be the greatest of all time, and that means having more championships than Mike" and he left Cleveland to chase championships. If he wanted to chase longevity and stats to be the GOAT, he could have stayed in Cleveland his entire career and achieved that. LeBron set the bar that the goal was rings, and MJ still has more rings.
very well said
i remember that day ...i will take my talent in south beach....n i will loose evry championship not 1 not 2 not 3...4,5,6,7 n the rest is history 😂😂😂😂
You forgot:
• Underdog and undersized
• NCAA Champion (game winning shot)
• Made Nike into what it is today
• Made the NBA explode internationally
• Three-peats, took a break to play baseball, then came back and won three in a row again.
Gold in each Olympics. Lebron has a bronze in the Olympics.
Not undersized at all
@@nbagoats4819check out how many mba players each of their teams faced back then vs now. Also lebron Not much played the bronze year
a 6'6" shooting guard isn't undersized
Bro is doing tricks on it
Huge MJ fan and always thought the 6-0 was overblown. BUT thinking about it again, it is very impressive to never lose after 6 trips and never a game 7. I never really realized how crazy that actually is
Only like three teams have ever 3peated bulls did it twice with mj probably 8 in a row if he didn't go to baseball
MJ was basically the 2017-18 golden state warriors . every year everybody knew Chicago was gonna win it
It's a big deal and people really don't value it like they should. He did it twice. Just look at Golden State. They know exactly how hard it is. The pressure. The fatigue. The burn out. It takes alot to make that happen. The fact MJ took 2 years off and came back to 3 peat AGAIN just adds to the story. He wasn't playing basketball. He was rusty af. Still came back and dominated 3 years in a row. It really is incredible and people don't realize how much effort it takes to be that type of champion. MJ wanted it.
@@ikiwheese Jordan had all the best defenders on his team every time he won but all the greats was hurt so of course he should have 3peated but Bird still is his DADDY who he never could beat in a playoff game 😂😂😂
@@gloryroad7452”all the best defenders”. Name all of them.
ADD:
- Never Lost to a team he was favored to beat in the finals
- Won DPOY (and scoring title) as a guard
- Played with fewer HOFers than others in GOAT conversation
- Better season leading in block shots and steals in same season
- Won DPOY, Slam dunk comp, All-Star MVP, League MVP, Championship series MVP and NBA title in same season
- Many other accolades not mentioned here
I think also hasn't lost 3 consecutive games in this career, I think since 1980 something.
Spot on Bro!☝️💗😀
The one of winning DPOY and title in the same year is false. Only year he got the DPOY was in 1988. He won his first title in 1991. Correct your information.
Two other underrated stats. Only three players in NBA history ever had 100 blocks 200 steals, Olajuwon, Pippen who did it once. MJ did it twice while also leading the league in scoring. So UNLIKE LJ he was great on both ends of the floor. Stat two. MJ lead the league in steals and scoring for two consecutive seasons. Lebron has never lead the league in any defensive category. In either of those two back to back seasons MJ averaged more points and steals than LJ averaged in his best season.
he had to get the greatest 3 point % shooter ever, best rebounder ever, with the best coach ever and the best European player ever and a top 50 player he did that during the expansion era he better win it wasn't hard to win in that weak era even the rockets won back to back and lakers had a 3 peat all in his watered down era why you think we don't see 3 peats in the nba now
Aside from the 6 Rings, 6 Finals MVP's, 5 season MVP's, 10 scoring titles, 1 DPOY, Jordan is still:
- Most exciting player to ever touch a basketball
- Best hand skills ever seen
- Best footwork ever seen
- Most creative offensive skills ever
- Most graceful and pleasing player to watch
- Best midrange game ever seen
The world has regarded Jordan the GOAT for 25 years for all these and many more reasons
'His opponents were old!!'
Shannon, MJ was older than ALL of the Pistons when he was winning his last 3 rings. The Bulls were literally the OLDEST team in the league in 1998, yet still out shined everyone.
The Pistons got beat, because the Bulls wised up to their antics and MJ learned to trust his teammates.
Sit down, dry your eyes that your King lost, yet again, and listen to what Daddy Smith is telling you.
I'm so tired of the...
" The pistons were old" lie.
That year the starting 5 was as follows.
Isaiah age 29-30 All-star
Dumars age 27-28 All-star- All Defense- All NBA
Rodman age 29-30 DPOY - All Defense
Mark Aguirre age 31
John Salley age 26
They were young, 2x NBA champions and Jordan came in and defeated one the best teams in the league that year and broke their Dynasty up.
Excellent!
@@americanhooligansthank you. This is exactly it.
Oh, absolutely. The Pistons suddenly got 'old' one year after winning their second NBA title in a row. Magically. Out of nowhere. Most amazing, intelligent and logical argument I have ever heard. Bravo. First class.
I dont believe Michael Jordan got any of his coaches fired. You can add that to the list.
You a clown 🤡
Doug collins
He had gotten 2 coaches fired.
no but he quit when he couldnt select the one he wanted. Imagine lebron retiring 3 years ago because he couldnt get Ty lue lmao
He never let any of his teammates fool around with his mama. Should be number 1 on the list.
the energy of Stephen A. everytime he's going to discuss who's the GOAT or defend MJ as the GOAT is unmatched! he's like an excited kid resiting his favorite poem infront of everybody 😁
crazy how people say jordan needed pippen. let's give 'em that. if that's the logic, then lebron needed wade, bosh, irving, love and davis and what? still 4 and 6 in the finals? not a hater. just using logic
jordan probably made pippen the player he became.......
not to mention without jordan, pippen did nt accomplish jack
Even Jordan needed a team around him. That was the difference in the first stage of Jordan's career and then when he finally got over the Pistons hump and got his first chip. He had a team finally built around him and got a coach that didn't rely on him to do everything in the games. The problem is people like to make the argument that Pippen made Jordan. The fact is you put Pippen on any other team in the NBA at that time. He doesn't become anywhere close to the player he became with out Jordan. Jordan took all those guys who had talent like Pippen and Grant and molded them into top tier NBA players with the help of Phil of course and his coaching strategy with the triangle. On the other side. Who did Lebron make better? He didn't. He joined players that were already top tier talent to win championships, and even that in many years wasn't enough as the Spurs whipped him until they got too old. Lebron doesn't have the leadership that Jordan had, and he certainly doesn't have that assassins mentality that Jordan had. The only player that can even come close to what Jordan was is Kobe Bryant. Who himself admitted...he doesn't get that with out Jordan as his mentor. Nothing I have just said is debatable. It's facts. 100% true, and if people don't get it. It's because they just don't understand or are too busy blinding themselves with prisoner of the moment emotions. Lebron is the current thing. Still fresh in everyone's mind. Jordan has been gone for a long time now. Soon Lebron will be gone, and we'll have another guy that people will swear is the GOAT. It's just the way it is, but it doesn't make it true. Jordan. GOAT. End of story.
Pippen went to the ECF the very next season after jordan left...
@@Patrick-sb7ko did he win?
@@Patrick-sb7ko Yea, and do you think he does that with out Jordan molding him into the player he was? Your lying to yourself if you think he does. Pippen would of never been half the player he was with out Jordan and Phil Jackson, and that is just facts.
MJ won the scoring title, led the league in steals, and won DPOY in the same year. Best two way player ever
For his time
@@padarousouYou heard the man… EVER!!
He wasnt even the best defender on his team lmao
@@NdocRrokuyes tf he was clown 😂tf LeBron was never the best defender on none of his multiple teams 😂
Jordan leads in points, averaging 30.1 to 27.1, but James beats Jordan in rebounds, 7.5 to 6.2; assists, 7.4 to 5.3; field goal percentages, 50.5 to 49.7; and 3-point percentages, 34.7 to 32.7.
6x Nba champion
10x scoring champion
5x Mvp, 6x Fmvp
Air Jordan still hot and kicking.
The Man is legend no wonder He is the Goat of Basketball.
I agree and Bron can't compare.
B4 PIPPEN JORDAN COULDNT EVEN WIN A PLAYOFF SERIES LOL
Keep on crying 😂 😂 😂 @@mountainrunner829
Defensive player of the Year*
If Mjordan did not retired from 1994 to 1995 it is possible that the bulls will be a 7 rings champions without losses in nba finals.
6 finals, 6 wins.... THAT'S THE STANDARD required to dethrone Jordan. When a player outdoes that .... gladly give them their flowers. Until then.... this is the standard.
With the Accomplishments.
So... Robert Horry
gtfoh wit Horry he avg 7ppg in his career his teammates did almost all the work @@guy4835
Horry avg 7ppg in his career & was never the top guy on his teams & his teammates did all the work
@@guy4835
@@guy4835 What else do Horry have besides 7-0? Come on talk about it?
Never forget that many players in the 80's era mention that they have to sleep early and mentally prepare when playing against the bulls. Thats how scary it is. They also mention that if you dont bring your A game, the bulls will eat you live.
try to sleep was more accurate. They FEAR when they see bulls on the calendar.
"Michael never asked me to go get players from other teams. He thought he was so good he could win with anyone." - Jerry Krouse.
MJ didn't just win 6 rings. He THREE-PEATED TWICE. That's a completely different level.
MJ brand is a side effect of what he did on the court. MJ is the GOAT because he MASTERED THE GAME. Mastered the whole sport and elevated it to the level of Art. There is truly no comparison, past or present.
I'm seriously not sure Lebron is a top five. Is he better than Bird, Magic, Kareem, Wilt and even Curry?
Lebron is top 10, not top 5.
LBJ top 10.5 may be
Stop it, LeBron is the second best player of all time! Of course better than Kareem Magic and Bird. Don’t talk basketball
Second best in complaining while getting more calls constantly and GOAT at firing coaches.
three peats against TRASH TEAMS
Michael Jordan is the GREATEST everyone NEXT. This from a Knicks fan who saw this man break my heart in the 90’s
In yall had a team
I feel your pain. I'm a jazz fan😭
100%
Much respect to NY family... Starks-Mason-Houston-Rose, MJ is the reason I don't own one of there jerseys!!
Correction. Everyone after Kobe (who sits at #2) is next
The crazy part about Michael Jordan is that he has an entire different level of stats and accolades that no one will ever be able to touch in a 10 year stretch.
That number 1 reason trumps any and every debate. He never lost in the Finals.
Exactly 💯
Shannon they weren’t old!! Zeek was 29, Dumars 28 and Rodman 27
But they were terribly injury prone. The Bulls didn't beat them at full power...
@@TiagoGomez-hb9testop it when the pistons won in 89 magic didn't play the full series stop it
@@TiagoGomez-hb9te LeBron didn't beat full team gsw either green got suspended
@@TiagoGomez-hb9tey’all need to quit. Using age as an excuse.Lebron was young when he lost to Dallas. What’s that excuse
@@TiagoGomez-hb9te You play an extremely aggressive and physical style you're going to pay the price.
Magic was 31 when he lost to Jordan in the Finals, that wasn’t old even then. MJ was 35 in his last Finals! And with those Pistons, Rodman (27), Dumars (27), Thomas (29). Again, not old.
Most people had the Lakers favored to win in 91. And the Pistons definitely weren’t old. They were the 2-time defending champions, many hadn’t even turned 30 yet, and they made it to the eastern conference finals. If they were so washed up how did they manage that? This is just the Jordan haters trying to rewrite history. If they were old in 91 then the Bulls, as a bunch of senior citizens, apparently, somehow managed a 3-peat from 96-98.
What SAS was trying to explain in the video before Shannon Sharpe interrupted - players such as Kevin Johnson, Shawn Kemp, Detlef Schrempf, Terry Porter, Jeff Hornacek, and Dan Majerle were every bit the players and competitors Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili, Klay Thompson, and Draymond Green were and just as tough to beat in the Finals.
Never forget how Chuck Daly, coach of the bad boys Detroit Pistons once said “this guy is literally embarrassing the league” speaking of Jordan. What coach, player or fan has ever said something like that about Lebron?
I think everybody says that now but not in a good way. La flop 😅
@@deewatt I was thinking the same. Everyone that saw LeChock playing... says "this guy is literally embarrassing”
Every time I see a LeBron clip he's "dramatically" falling to the floor. How has he scored any points sitting on the floor? (BTW I haven't watched pro basketball since the early 2000s).
“The Pistons were old when MJ beat em”
IT was 29, Dumars was 27, Aguirre was 31, Rodman was 29. That’s a lie common amongst Bronsexuals.
And stop telling me about how Bron had to face the Spurs and the Warriors as his competition when Bron lost to them more than he’s won. Bron is 1-2 vs the Spurs in the finals and he is 1-3 vs the Warriors in the finals.
Also the conference Jordan had to go thru to get to the Finals was generally tougher than Lebron's conferences.
That was old back then. Lmao
you do realize when people say he had to go against the spurs and the warriors they say it not because he beat them no, they say it because the level of competition like the warriors had four HOFers and the spurs had if not four then three HOFers on their team compared to Lebron who when he went up against the warriors the only other player at the time who can be considered a HOFer is Kyrie and even when he was on the heat although he had wade and Bosh both Wade and Bosh were either hurt or were dealing with health issues and Lebron was the only healthy one out of the three so please lets be real when we talk about stuff like this cuz you just sayin nonsense
@@expertmlg959 logic doesnt work here. Cant you feel the ignorance radiating from the original comment?
FACTS!
Shannon saying Lebron was playing jv at 3 years old funny af 😂😂
😂😂😂😂
Funny to a Cornball
@@DonHo-wi7twu feel better now big guy ?
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂😂😂
Larry and Magic indeed respected MJ after Dream Team Scrimmage 5 on 5 Practice
Shannon Sharpe doesn’t consider the fact that Hall-of-Fame players are not automatically better players or tougher competition than Non-Hall-of-Fame players. While Draymond Green has played an important role on the Warriors Championship teams, he would not be considered a strong candidate for the Hall-of-Fame without the championships the Warriors won. In contrast, Jeff Hornacek would be the 3rd Jazz player in the Hall of Fame had the Jazz beat the Bulls in the ‘97 and ‘98 finals. Jordan and the Bulls prevented several Hall-of-Fame caliber players from getting the championship they needed on their resume that may have gotten them into the Hall.
Shannon has no argument lmao
He did tho
@@Longlive24
On what?
That he keeps lying about the AGE of the Pistons and that Magic also was old?
It's funny I've seen lebron beaten an aging spurs team back in 2013 and lost to an aging spurs team the following year in 2014 with a record margin lol they won't bring that up 😂
lol at the end he gives the list A-.. i think deep down he knows jordans resume is far superior
@@Mercurial. I heard him talk about everything but that 😂😂
Fun fact: Jordan has the second-highest assist average in the NBA finals next to Magic. He averaged 11.4 assists in the 1991 NBA finals. That's more than John Stockton, Lebron James, Oscar Robinson, Jason Kidd, etc.
Just to play the counterargument:
Fun fact: LeBron has taken about four times more 3pt attempts than Jordan did in his career, and James STILL has a significantly higher career 3pt % than Jordan.
Another fun fact:
Career playoff series wins:
Pippen without Jordan - 3
Jordan without Pippen - ZERO.
Michael Jordan never won a SINGLE PLAYOFF SERIES without Scotty Pippen as his running mate and Phil Jackson as his coach.
Jordan wasn’t a 3 point shooter. Jordan played 12 seasons with the bulls and played two seasons with the wizards to finish his career. Pippen went to play with the rockets and the blazers. The longest teammate bron ever played with is Zydrunas Ilgauskas. They played 8 seasons together and don’t have nothing to show for it.
@@larsonpark3819 Seriously dude? I was giving a fun fact that shows Jordan wasn't just a scorer. Jordan did shoot 3s they weren't a part of his game. And did you know he had a season averaging 37 a game with less than 1 shot attempt from 3? Also you bringing up Jordan's records before and with Scottie shows you are clueless about the truth. Their first playoff game together Pippen and Grant combined averaged around 20 points. Jordan averaged over 40. Jordan also averages 43 points vs the 86 Celtics. Jordan also won 6 finals MVPs. Tell me who needed who?
And groat bron zero with out this team mates all star lol...wake up lol and watch this....wade,Bosh,Allen,Davis,erving,love,,,,etc@@larsonpark3819
@@larsonpark3819 just an idiotic statement. *NO PLAYER* has ever won *ANYTHING* without teammates in a team sport.
I’m not taking LeBron knowing this stat
LeBron 21 years/ 1 scoring title
MJ: 15 years/ 10 scoring titlezzzz
😂😂😂😂😂😂 I just can’t
If Mjordan did not retired from 1994 to 1995 it is possible that the bulls will be a 7 rings champions without losses in nba finals.
2 seconds on the clock, I'm passing the rock to jordan. Period. He did it in the finals over and over. All season he did it over and over. WIN
2 seconds on the clock, lebron passin the rock 😂
idk after the Nuggets domination, I might pass it to Jamal Murray
@@conanho8445 I was about to say the same :) Jimmy Highroller last video about Murray is great.
MJ didn't chase titles by jumping teams and creating super teams....and he still was 6-0 in the finals!!!
Chicago Bulls was a superteam.
@johnwebb2442 how?
Quite a casual comment. The bulls were stacked especially the 2nd 3 peat. Jordan, pippen, rodman, Steve ker, Ron Harper, and Toni kukoc. They had the best record 72-10 in NBA history at the time until golden state beat it later I believe year 2016 when they lost to the Cleveland in the finals. The Jordans team was stacked. Lol they were suppose to win it all with that team. When your franchise build your team with great players you don't need to jump around to make it. No matter how good Jordan was he had a great supporting cast to win. Lebron never had a pippen or rodman until he went to Miami and he won 2. However 2011 was inexcusable. But don't pretend like Jordan had it so hard he carried that bulls team every year on his back 😂.
@@RTXSimplicity Thank you for saying that. Those are facts.
@@RTXSimplicity true, but for the exception of Rodman and Harper, this team was organically built from the ground up around Jordan. He never left the team that drafted him to join 2 superstars in hopes of winning not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5.......etc.
"He built from within, He built from within, that's what they did!!!" Now that's a bar too
I can't believe Unc is even making this a conversation.😂
“Man, I told you about bringing that up” - Shannon Sharpe 😭🤣
😅😂killed meh they great together no 🧢
Uh huh..cause Unk know what time it is. Lol
What did he say that in response to?
😂😂😂😂
@@michaelsandle2152SAS point #1
Top five:
6-0
Did it in less years
Did it with way less help
Didn’t jump teams to win
Lastly, we saw Mike play. We can’t unsee it.
Checkmate!
Bruh Jordan didn't advance past the first round without Scottie pippen... I love how yall just skip ahead to the NBA finals and make that into what Jordan's career was
“Way less help” really ?
Imagine Jordan joining the Celtics just to get a ring 😂😂😂😂 or Jordan joining the pistons and asking Malone to come join him
@@rj_vice Losing in round until Pippen came >>> Not making the playoffs at all until Larry Hudges came
Winning 6 rings within 2 3-peats >>> Making 8 straight finals
🐐Jordan 6 rings
-Beat 🐐 PG Magic Johnson
-Beat Pre injury 25 PPG Clyde Drextler
-Beat 62-20 Suns & MVP Charles Barkley
-Beat 64-18 Super Sonic’s & DPOY Payton
-Beat 64-18 Jazz & MVP Karl Malone 2 years in a row
Bron First team all pros beat in 8 straight finals : Derrick Rose
Bron fans Always remember :
-Winning the finals is better then making the finals
-Losing in round 1 for the first 3 years is better then missing the playoffs the first 2 years
I always believed Jordan made his teammates better. I don't recall flopping when Jordan was playing. Game was tougher back then as well. When we say G O A T we also talking about the era so what do you think each of these players would be capable of on eachothers era?
MJ was so great that we all felt him in our hearts and not only that, but also as if he were part of our lives.
MJ got two 3peats. 🐐
bill russell got 8-peat since this is tennis.
@@Commenting800 he wouldn’t beat MJ if they were in the same era.
he also got one fake retirement to duck the heat of his gambling schemes that were about to ruin his career
@@Commenting800 I love russell to death but don't compare bill rusell to mj.... rusell couldn't even average 20 ppg in those times, he's not in a class with the kobes, jordans and lebrons of the world
@@mattcarberry368 and Lebron just got swept 🤣🤣🤣
Jordan is the 🐐, PERIOD
And if anything Kobe Bryant should be in the conversation with Jordan more than LeBron James
PERIOD!!!
@@bobbenbrown123 This. The absolute disrespect Kobe gets is unreal. The guys skill set was off the charts. Makes Lebron look like Will Perdue.
No matter how good Lebron is, he has 6 finals losses and that alone will never elevate him to be greater than MJ. Jordan will always be the GOAT
ANYBODY KNOW WHERE I CAN FIND THE SOUNDTRACK PLAYING IN THE BACKGROUND?! Straight fire, ive been looking for it for yearssss
MJ wasn’t just the best player in basketball, no joke, watching him felt like the anime protagonist of the NBA. Dude literally does movie like stuff on the court. He defined style, moves, what kids want to do in the backyard.
He indeed was, but he was also advertised to be the main protagonist as if it was an anime...
I respect lebron, but his complaining and flopping and jumping like a baby should stop
@@nrsn9688i agree Lefraud need to be Mature.
Easy to explain why lebron not even a top 3, he chose shortcut to form superteams. Swap kd to lead wade, bosh, allen, irving, love i think kd would have gotten 3 chips too
@@gameyee8251 Wait, what? Durant has played for four teams, and all four of them were stacked with max-salary all-star talent, and he only won a chip when he joined a team that literally could've won that chip without him.
Shannon didn't mention Lebum getting cooked by Jason Terry and was the 5th best scorer in 2011 finals against Dallas
Lebron and the heat had no chemistry that year but they were still able to make it to the finals. Jason Terry had one good moment.
@@karimmiller5441Excuses he got Punked by Jason terry 🤣🤣🤣
new team still learning to play together, lack of chemistry
@@stevey297he dunked on Jason terry in front of his home fans. He died
@@adrama8982 I Guess that Dunk Equals Choking in the Finals Moron 😂😂
1.jordan slam dunk contest winner
2.mj got a Nascar team
3.jordan first nba billionaire
4.mj 3 peat twice
this two is funny as always 😂😂😂 they arguing but still listen to each other when they something to explain 🤣🤣🤣
2 threepeats is insane. Being consistent for that long is an impossible feat alone.
If you think about it LBJ only has 1 back to back title.
Lebron keeps him relevant cause he so great that all people can do is throw MJ in his face
Greatest teams ever
It's worth noting that after three consecutive years of going pre-season to Finals, Jordan quit the sport. Then did it again, and again quit the sport. It takes an unbelievable amount of fortitude to do what James did -- keep going at the SAME level (25pts per game for 20 consecutive years) and just keep dragging WHOEVER he played with deep in the playoffs. THAT's consistency.
@@larsonpark3819 lol you never played competetive sports if you ever think 3peats is that easy 🤣🤣🤣
mj never allow game 7
He allowed first round sweeps.
MJ beat who? Gary payton sonis and lazy barkley Suns hahah
@@Commenting800 Them boyz in their prime would eat in today's game...
@@Commenting800compare their first two seasons and who actually had a impact on turning a franchise around early in their careers . LeBron couldn't even sniff the playoffs in his first two seasons . MJ also ended the showtime Lakers dynasty
@@Commenting800 LeBron james got sweep by the san antonio spurs and the golden state warriors
@@Rs-mq1ms welly there no way mj well get sweep in this generation
Magic was 32 and James Worthy was 30 when they played the Bulls in the finals. When Bulls beat the Pistons to get to that first finals, Isaiah Thomas was 30. Since when did we start calling players old at 30 and 32 People can't use that argument of MJ's opponents being too old. It's a disrespect to those greats.
MJ: I wanna be like Mike
Kobe: Mamba Mentality
LBJ: Taco Tuesday 😅
I wont lie, this is the best way to make an arguement about this GOAT conversation. Forget about stat but how they approach NBA games. Beat your nemesis(whether they are old or not same team) and stood there for years to let them know its not by chance or mistakes. He is born to be great and maintain the greatness
EXACTLY READ
OMG HERE WE GO AGAIN Been a Couple of Years Since I SHUT FRAUD JORDAN FANS AZZ UP BUT HERE WE GO , LAKERS NATION HERE , I am a Magic /Kobe Fan Before Bron , And I Certainly AM NO MICHAEL FRAUD JORDAN FAN , FACT NO. 1 Magic Came Into The League In 1980 and Changed it to What it is Now He and Bird , Magic Won a Chip In His 1st Year , It Took AIR FRAUD 7 YEARS TO Even Get to The Finals To get The 1st. While The Lakers of The 80's With Kareem and Co , And The Sixers With Dr. J , And The Celtics With Bird and Co and The Pistons With Isaiah Played and That's The WHOLE DECADE AIR FRAUD WENT NOWHERE 000000000000 NOWHERE AND HE CAME INTO THE LEAGUE IN THE FIRST HALF OF THE 80'S .1984 HE COULD NOT BEAT THE TEAMS OF THE 80'S THOSE ARE THE ONLY 4 TEAMS THAT WON CHIPS IN THE 80'S 0000000000 FOR AIR FRAUD ,HE DID NOT BEAT THE LAKERS WITH KAREEM , WORTHY AND MAGIC. WHEN AIR FRAUD FINALLY WON IN THE 90'S OTHER THAN THE LAKERS HE BEAT HIGHSCHOOL TEAMS ALL THE TEAMS THAT COULD NOT GET A CHIP IN THE 80'S , HIGHSCHOOL TEAMS , ORLANDO LOL , HOUSTON TRIED 2 TIMES BEAT DOWN BY THE CELTICS IN THE 80'S , AND UTAH THEY COULD NEVER GET PAST THE LAKERS IN THE WEST IN THE 80'S , AIR FRAUD BEAT HIGHSCHOOL TEAMS . 7 YEARS TO GET A CHIP BY THAT TIME MAGIC HAD 5 ALREADY AND HE HAD GONE TO 8 FINALS AND WE WERE ROBBED IN 84 AND 86 BY THE REFS OR IT'S A DIFFERENT STORY .
More FACTS , Most Points Bron ,Kareem Before Both Lakers , Most Points in a Game Wilt Then Kobe Both LAKERS , Most Championchips Bill Russell with 11 Rings , You Read That Right , Even Robert Hory Has 7 Rings , Most Assists Chris Paul
YOU CANNOT BE THE GREATEST IF YOU ARE NOT THE GOAT IN ANY ONE CATAGORY ,Even His Moves Were Taken from Dr. J ,
OK AIR FRAUD FANS READ THESE FACTS AND THEN TRY AND CONVINCE ANYONE THAT AIR FRAUD IS THE GOAT , BUT MAKE IT MAKE SENSE , WHILE YOU TRY AND DEFEND A FANTASY . . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . YOU WERE DOOPED INTO BUYING OVER PRICED NIKES LOL LOL LOL MAGIC'S THE GOAT , AND CERTAINLY NOT AIR FRAUD WHO COULD NOT BEAT ANY OF THE 80'S TEAMS
Can't forget about stats.
But its a team sport, not 1 v 1 like boxing or MMA. How can they beat their ''nemesis'' without the help from their team mates who also need to be ''star players'', Jordan couldn't beat his nemesis without the help from Pippen.
Nobody mentions that the game is not officiated today - for example, nobody calls traveling any more and leflop always travels when driving. Consequently, virtually all of leflop's points from drives would not even be counted in MJ's times.
I know what the media have to have something to discuss all the time, but to even consider putting leflop above Mike is ridiculous.
Biggest thing I compare Jordan and LeFlop on is “Killer Instinct”…….the one thing LeFlop has not!!!!
This was fun to watch!
Shannon said Isaiah and magic was old when Jordan beat them but magic was 31 and Isaiah was 29 meanwhile Duncan was 37 in 2014 and Kidd was 37 and Dirk was 32 in 2011 😂😂😂😂
Preach on brother, preach on
And for comparison, in the 34th year of his life that old geezer Jordan _only_ won:
Regular season MVP
All-Star MVP
Finals MVP
Scoring title
1st Team All-NBA
1st Team All-Defense
Finished 4th in the DPOY voting
and played all 82 games...again
Thomas was 30-31 when he got swept by the Bulls. MJ had completed his first Three-Peat at 31.
Mj beat Majic after Magic was in his 9th nba finals and without Kareem, so he didn't beat da showtime lakers, he beat Clyde, that was probably his best match up, he beat Dan Marley and Lil Kevin Johnson, he beat lil Gary Payton and he beat Jeff Hornacek and Lil John Stockton compared to Bron beating KD, Russell, and Harden, Steph and Clay, Tim, Ginobli, Parker, and Leonard, unc saying Bron competition was a lil better in da finals, Bron actually beat a few legendary hof's teams when mj didn't, mj won and dominated da league during da 90's expansion Era, but his bias fans not go say that especially on t.v., we've all seen mj's match ups during all his finals runs and I gotta admit he really didn't have nothing but one decent match up and that was da 92 finals against Drexler and even that was suspect, meanwhile Bron was matched up against KD over and over again, Tim over and over again, Dirk, Leonard, Steph over and over again, and beat da best team ever da 73-9 warriors, yep Bron da G.O.A.T!!!
@@orlandohenderson2185bro what are you talking about LBJ is a great player not the goat bro LBJ has a lot of flaws lost that kills his legacy , second of all which great ever said there where the goat my men no great it's others who testified of MJ greatness bro LBJ is not the 🐐 MJ is stop forcing sir LBJ he is great but he is not the GOAT
He dont have 6 finals losses he has 6 finals win!!! 😂 dropped the 🎤
Top 5 reasons why Lebron is the GOAT:
*honorable mention: Role Model*
5. Longevity
4. Competition
3. Hype and Pressure
2. Better all around player
1. Incompetent front offices
@@ThisAinThatMetro Jordan is better than Lebron. Jordan won more, in less time, with less help. Goat!
@@ThisAinThatMetro
His role modeling was showing everyone flopping, ring chasing, and abusing free agency is ok
5. He's just old, big whoop. MJ was an all star at 38 and 39 lol and the best in his team, LeBron isn't even that
4. Jordan played much much better competition
3. Bron hyped himself up, congratulations? 😂 MJ let his game do the talking, he didn't need to be hyped up.
2. Not a better all around player, if you ever saw either of them play you'd know that.
1. Lebron was effectively the GM, he hires and fires his coaches, he recruits his superteams. It's on LeBron when it doesn't work
@@josiahgoshert5023 “less help” go look at how many top 15 draft picks the bulls had until they won their first title and if Jordan was that good why are that picking that high every year? Do your research thats why my #1 reason is incompetent front offices they hit on almost all of those picks.
@@ChaseRiver2 I’m not even reading that you already started your comment off with some opinion based nonsense
I'm a casual from the Caribbean, when I grew up in the 90s the bigs M was Michael Jackson, Michael Jordan and Madonna,
I remember vaguely when I was 5-6, My aunt was a fan of Michael Jordan and played hoops, we watched the basketball highlights on TV in the afternoon and walked to the closest park to play, 50% of the kids were MJ the other 50% were soccer players fans
In every town it was the same, he brought the ball to the masses... the Jesus of basketball...
Obviously, with time the game becomes more professional, athletic, and technical with improved training, conditioning, and popularity, Lebron James at the top of this era is legitimately on the GOAT debate, like Kobe was at his time, and like the other top player of his era will be (people already talking of Wemby as the new GOAT)...
No one can match MJ's cultural impact/transformation that gives him this GOAT status. Despite, more stats, more rings, or accolades, they can only be followers as he was the one to spread the religion of basketball around the world.
Same debate between Pelé and Messi...
For Shannon to dispute most of that then to say he gives it a A minus😂😂
I don't see how a guy with a losing record in the finals can be considered the goat its actually kinda disrespectful Not just to jordan.
Its simple. He played against BETTER competition then jordan.
@@Hyperactiveathlete777lmfao,tell me you didn’t watch basketball when Jordan was playing without telling me you didn’t watch basketball
Forget the Finals. He trails Jordan in major individual accolades as well. Despite playing over 5 more seasons. A player is mostly responsible for individual accolades, not the team.
Most of the hall of famer in basketball played in the Jordan era. Jordan keep many ppl from a chip, lebron kept noone from a chip, everybody ate good and came back for seconds.. 😂
@Hyperactiveathlete777 he didn't. He played against better defense. Mj had the league when u can actually play defense.
This why MJ the GOAT.
Facts
THE GOOOOAT
It’s all subjective and a matter of opinion but I respect your opinion. It’s not an idiotic statement
Goat taking years off
@samuelrigaud6595 who took years off? Speak on it..
Magic was 32 guys. He wasn’t old. And Isiah and the crew were barely 30 yrs old lol. Somehow age never brought put with MJ
No one talks about how beautiful his game was. He accomplished all those stats with next to Kyrie Erving Michael Jordan has the most beautiful style of play. Basketball is an art. MJ is hands down the greatest player to ever play basketball.
True.. No one will compare to Air Jordan .. MJ the greatest
Absolutely no one ever!
@@Prodbykkeyslet these kids kno
Facts
MJ is just a slightly taller Jrue holiday
@@SilentMovements305 no lie I’m 15
But MJ is the GOAT 🐐
Efficiency will always surpass longevity.
MJ is the GOAT and its not close.
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽Facts 💯💯💯
OMG HERE WE GO AGAIN Been a Couple of Years Since I SHUT FRAUD JORDAN FANS AZZ UP BUT HERE WE GO , LAKERS NATION HERE , I am a Magic /Kobe Fan Before Bron , And I Certainly AM NO MICHAEL FRAUD JORDAN FAN , FACT NO. 1 Magic Came Into The League In 1980 and Changed it to What it is Now He and Bird , Magic Won a Chip In His 1st Year , It Took AIR FRAUD 7 YEARS TO Even Get to The Finals To get The 1st. While The Lakers of The 80's With Kareem and Co , And The Sixers With Dr. J , And The Celtics With Bird and Co and The Pistons With Isaiah Played and That's The WHOLE DECADE AIR FRAUD WENT NOWHERE 000000000000 NOWHERE AND HE CAME INTO THE LEAGUE IN THE FIRST HALF OF THE 80'S .1984 HE COULD NOT BEAT THE TEAMS OF THE 80'S THOSE ARE THE ONLY 4 TEAMS THAT WON CHIPS IN THE 80'S 0000000000 FOR AIR FRAUD ,HE DID NOT BEAT THE LAKERS WITH KAREEM , WORTHY AND MAGIC. WHEN AIR FRAUD FINALLY WON IN THE 90'S OTHER THAN THE LAKERS HE BEAT HIGHSCHOOL TEAMS ALL THE TEAMS THAT COULD NOT GET A CHIP IN THE 80'S , HIGHSCHOOL TEAMS , ORLANDO LOL , HOUSTON TRIED 2 TIMES BEAT DOWN BY THE CELTICS IN THE 80'S , AND UTAH THEY COULD NEVER GET PAST THE LAKERS IN THE WEST IN THE 80'S , AIR FRAUD BEAT HIGHSCHOOL TEAMS . 7 YEARS TO GET A CHIP BY THAT TIME MAGIC HAD 5 ALREADY AND HE HAD GONE TO 8 FINALS AND WE WERE ROBBED IN 84 AND 86 BY THE REFS OR IT'S A DIFFERENT STORY .
More FACTS , Most Points Bron ,Kareem Before Both Lakers , Most Points in a Game Wilt Then Kobe Both LAKERS , Most Championchips Bill Russell with 11 Rings , You Read That Right , Even Robert Hory Has 7 Rings , Most Assists Chris Paul
YOU CANNOT BE THE GREATEST IF YOU ARE NOT THE GOAT IN ANY ONE CATAGORY ,Even His Moves Were Taken from Dr. J ,
OK AIR FRAUD FANS READ THESE FACTS AND THEN TRY AND CONVINCE ANYONE THAT AIR FRAUD IS THE GOAT , BUT MAKE IT MAKE SENSE , WHILE YOU TRY AND DEFEND A FANTASY . . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . YOU WERE DOOPED INTO BUYING OVER PRICED NIKES LOL LOL LOL MAGIC'S THE GOAT , AND CERTAINLY NOT AIR FRAUD WHO COULD NOT BEAT ANY OF THE 80'S TEAMS
@@randallhendricks7679 Reported for being asinine.
A lot of people only focus on the offensive part. Take note that MJ had the most All-Defensive First Team Awards in the NBA. He was 3x steals leader, and he has a Defensive Player of the Year award - the same year he was also MVP. You see, MJ dominated BOTH offense and defense.
Crazy to think his logo of himself is on so many teams jerseys who he defeated when he was playing and across all sports worldwide.
Yep mj is the goat he wanted the ball at the end and he delivered. Midrange master defeated so many hall of gamers and top 75 players. The poll shows what the world thinks.
Jordan also played all 82 games 9 times in his career Lebron has only played all 82 games 3 times
Nah Lebron did it once
With fancy airplanes while Jordan traveled with rekt buses.
*ONCE* .... in 21 seasons lebron played 82 games *ONCE*
LeBron only played all 82 games once bruh. 2015. That's it. 😂 😂
Yeah in the 90s when everyone was taking steroids
Jordan's Bulls are the first, fourth, and sixth oldest team to win a championship. The 2011 Mavs are the second oldest. The 2007 Spurs are the fifth oldest. The 2014 Spurs are the tenth oldest. Age can't be used as an excuse.
Unbeaten in NBA Finals, now that's absolutely incredible!🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆
A+++++ MJ IS THE GOAT!!!
Magic wasnt even that old when he played jordan he was like top 3 mvp and top seed in his conference
Meanwhile lebron loses to mavs and cant guard players half his size
Only dif was the talent level at the G position. The closest thing to MJ during his reign at shooting gaurd was probably Clyde Drexler...maybe D Wilk, but every other 2 guard was just a shooter. MJ was ahead of his time during that error. And the 90s was perfect for him to dominate. His dominance came at the end of the careers of Magic, Bird and the bad boy pistons, and it was before the likes of Shaq n Kobe, the Duncan Spurs, other top Gaurds like AI, Kobe...etc. He reigned supreme at the end of a great era and when the others were babies. Probably got lucky he missed the Rockets those 2 years in the Finals too
The majority of people arguing for lebron never saw Jordan play. It truly is what era you were raised in for the majority of people. I’m 21 and I think mj is clearly the goat, and this is coming from someone who’s watched and cheered for lbj all my life.
MJ is the 🐐 everyone knows that
I don’t know that
@@tbd3675Joe Vincent Micheal Jordan video. Get educated son
What has he won without Scottie P?
Jordan also kept improving and updating his game over the championship seasons. His fade-aways kept getting better during the second 3 rings. It’s hard to get this from highlight videos.
@@Mewfew22 I hear you pops……all I’m saying this goat don’t lead and none of the major statistical categories and was a janitor without pippen…..because for some reason he kept using a broom
The debate was over years ago, Michael Jordan is the greatest player ever.
And always will be
The debate ended in 2011 with that pathetic final’s performance
@@nomarxistspls90i can get if you say he was just flatout not better than mj but one bad performance is what made it impossible to come back for is crazy 😂 i never get that argument if lebron wouldve won every finals after you still would it still be that one you were stuck on?? Or you just in totality it isnt close
@@98slime86 I said that more as a joke. MJ is the goat and it’s not close. It doesn’t help lebrons case those two finals chokes though
That's been over since the 2011 NBA finals when the mavericks won
Apart from the being 6-0 in the finals, the rest of his reasons are subjective. That's why the debate continues. Just focus on his awards and accolades and compare it to the others. Debate over.
Not only all the accomplishments he was incredible to watch. Every evening after high school I’d turn to TNT/TBS and MJ would be there fading away after fade away, buss beaters
Mj raised his performance in the playoffs , especially end of the 4th quarters . Dudes status as goat is untouchable . Haven’t seen a player as good as Jordan since he retired . No one as dominant . Eye test and all , mj stands alone at the top .
Yes. He raised his average to 34 in the playoffs. MJ is the GOAT
Reasons are terrible why not use the fact that
He has 6 rings
6 finals mvps
5 mvps
Defensive player of the year
2nd Most defensive first teams ever
3x steals title
10x scoring titles
Highest ppg avg all time.
Defeated showtime lakers and bad boy pistons
Game winning shots, good efficiency , has highlights against other greats, 72 win season
Nun of that? Just stupid.
Thanks ! And ain’t need 22 seasons to do
Don't forget he won an MVP, scoring title and that DPOY all in 1 season. Complete and utter domination that season.
@@Boston2Boca1988 Jordan 😮
Don't forget this important stat. People don't consider any great team as an all time great team unless they 3peat, Jordan and the Bulls did it twice. Bulls won 72-W and 10-L with an NBA Championship. GSW beat the all time win loss record but it killed their team because they loss in the NBA Finals because of injuries.
C-
I totally agree with Shannon about the Jordan brand being more of a lifestyle than anything else basketball related nowadays. But if we look deeper, why did the Jordan brand became a lifestyle brand rather than an actual sports brand? And I believe that the answer is because, MJ was so iconic during his time that everyone wanted to wear what he was wearing. Even non basketball fans, when the Jordan 11 was released, (I'm 40 y.o. btw) were buying and wearing those 11s. The impact MJ had all over the world was so renowned that even people who aren't really into basketball knew who MJ was, and knew what the Jordan shoes were, and knew what the jumpman logo was. That it got carried over the years, decades even, that the iconic shoes became so much as a lifestyle wear. Imagine being so impactful to the sports world that the shoes themselves became a lifestyle brand. To think that there are a lot of basketball signature shoes that came after what Jordan wore during games that for me, are also well designed "lifestyle" wise, the Jordan brand carried on over the years. It just resonates how much impact MJ really made in sports.
I love these 2 guys they just make me laugh so hard
If we forget about the 6-0 finals.
Michael is tied for the most 1st team defensive all team 9 times
Michael led the league in steals for 3 seasons
Michael has won a DPOY
Michael has won the ROY
Michael has won both NBA finals MVP and Regular season MVP at least 5 times.
Michael was a 10x scoring leader.
The man was both a DEFENSIVE and OFFENSIVE monster. He played both sides.
OMG HERE WE GO AGAIN Been a Couple of Years Since I SHUT FRAUD JORDAN FANS AZZ UP BUT HERE WE GO , LAKERS NATION HERE , I am a Magic /Kobe Fan Before Bron , And I Certainly AM NO MICHAEL FRAUD JORDAN FAN , FACT NO. 1 Magic Came Into The League In 1980 and Changed it to What it is Now He and Bird , Magic Won a Chip In His 1st Year , It Took AIR FRAUD 7 YEARS TO Even Get to The Finals To get The 1st. While The Lakers of The 80's With Kareem and Co , And The Sixers With Dr. J , And The Celtics With Bird and Co and The Pistons With Isaiah Played and That's The WHOLE DECADE AIR FRAUD WENT NOWHERE 000000000000 NOWHERE AND HE CAME INTO THE LEAGUE IN THE FIRST HALF OF THE 80'S .1984 HE COULD NOT BEAT THE TEAMS OF THE 80'S THOSE ARE THE ONLY 4 TEAMS THAT WON CHIPS IN THE 80'S 0000000000 FOR AIR FRAUD ,HE DID NOT BEAT THE LAKERS WITH KAREEM , WORTHY AND MAGIC. WHEN AIR FRAUD FINALLY WON IN THE 90'S OTHER THAN THE LAKERS HE BEAT HIGHSCHOOL TEAMS ALL THE TEAMS THAT COULD NOT GET A CHIP IN THE 80'S , HIGHSCHOOL TEAMS , ORLANDO LOL , HOUSTON TRIED 2 TIMES BEAT DOWN BY THE CELTICS IN THE 80'S , AND UTAH THEY COULD NEVER GET PAST THE LAKERS IN THE WEST IN THE 80'S , AIR FRAUD BEAT HIGHSCHOOL TEAMS . 7 YEARS TO GET A CHIP BY THAT TIME MAGIC HAD 5 ALREADY AND HE HAD GONE TO 8 FINALS AND WE WERE ROBBED IN 84 AND 86 BY THE REFS OR IT'S A DIFFERENT STORY .
More FACTS , Most Points Bron ,Kareem Before Both Lakers , Most Points in a Game Wilt Then Kobe Both LAKERS , Most Championchips Bill Russell with 11 Rings , You Read That Right , Even Robert Hory Has 7 Rings , Most Assists Chris Paul
YOU CANNOT BE THE GREATEST IF YOU ARE NOT THE GOAT IN ANY ONE CATAGORY ,Even His Moves Were Taken from Dr. J ,
OK AIR FRAUD FANS READ THESE FACTS AND THEN TRY AND CONVINCE ANYONE THAT AIR FRAUD IS THE GOAT , BUT MAKE IT MAKE SENSE , WHILE YOU TRY AND DEFEND A FANTASY . . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . YOU WERE DOOPED INTO BUYING OVER PRICED NIKES LOL LOL LOL MAGIC'S THE GOAT , AND CERTAINLY NOT AIR FRAUD WHO COULD NOT BEAT ANY OF THE 80'S TEAMS
@@randallhendricks7679so is lebron your goat? coz i say you can't be the goat if you choke in 4th quarter of an nba finals. lebron got outplayed by jj barea and jason terry losing to an old dirk. if you're gonna be talking about stats like all time leader in points, you should bring up lebron being the all time leader in turnovers also. beating highschool teams? malone and stockton, payton and kemp, barkley and the suns. he beat the pistons. don't give me excuses like they were old coz the teams lebron beat were older like the spurs and the mavs. what did lebron win in his early years? i forgot, he went to miami and still lost and got outplayed by an old kidd and dirk. make it make sense
@@marionepomuceno8083 Lebron is not my Goat But Jordan is not the Goat Either
@randallhendricks7679 The GOAT is the player with the finest resume of achievements over there career yes ???
Thats Jordan, the Rings, MVP's, finals MVP's, scoring titles, DPOY, highest Box plus minus score, highest Player Efficiency Rating, Highest scoring average, highest finals scoring average, about 30 records still unbroken.
Do your research my man, there are a million reasons why Jordan has been regarded the GOAT for 25 years already by the majority of the planet.
Im waiting for your reply !!!!!
That dude's just copy and pasting this in comments looking for smokes. Lol
If Kobe is the closest we’ve seen to Jordan skill wise I don’t see why ppl would even put Bron over Kobe
Lebron literally does everything better than Kobe including scoring. Lebron averages more points, has a higher FG percentage, a higher 3pt percentage, more assists, more rebounds, more steals, more blocks, more MVPs, more Finals MVPs, more all star appearances, and more all-nba teams. There is ZERO argument for Kobe over Lebron.
Kobe isn’t better than lebron
@@LeGOAT.those are just longevity stats cause Lebron is chasing greatness
don't be foolish. lebron is better than kobe at almost every aspect. kobe only has 2 rings as the best player. lebron has better individual stats all-around than kobe. points per game, rebounds per game, assists per game, blocks per game, steals per game, better field goal percentage, better 3 point percentage. lebron is a better all-around player and a more valuable player than kobe.
even eye test shows that lebron is better. I even feel like I'm being nice to kobe by putting him top 5, but lebron and mj is definitely better than kobe and it's not worth the discussion. kobe is a tier behind both mj and lebron.
@@Atribecalledsuccess Career points per game, field goal percentage, 3pt percentage, MVP, and finals MVP aren’t longevity stats.
If MJ didn't retire for those years. He would have 8 NBA titles in a row. Believe that!
MJ got into the Goat conversation organically. I few times in LB's career, he made it clear that he wanted to be the Goat. I specifically recall him saying that in 2013. He had a goal to be the Goat and pursued that goal. But MJ on the other hand didn't care about being the Goat. The man retired the first time after just 9 seasons....that doesn't sound like someone wanting to be the greatest ever. All he wanted to do was to win every game that he played. So for him to be in the conversation of Goat without even trying to be the Goat to me is more impressive.
GOATS do not get sent home in shame during the first round of the playoffs. GOATS do not want anything to do with a fake in-season tournament. GOATS have style and class both on and off the court.
Jordan never went home in the first round? Never been swept? Never?
@@ChillBsmooth Jordan definitely went home in the first round
@@bigbeeze7105 He's clearly being sarcastic, dude
@@ChillBsmooth He didn't have an Anthony Davis on his team at that time
@@LorianandLothric Rodman? Scottie Pippen?
6 Finals MVP, 10 scoring titles, 5 season MVP, 1 DPOY, 9 All-NBA Defensive First Team, 5 All-star MVP during an era with all-stars played to win.
Don’t forget DPOY once too.
@@mattst.germain4023 Michael was a beast. He's the original "I'm trying to kill everything in front of me".
and all of those numbers are bigger than lebrons. jordan also has the highest ppg regular season and highest ppg playoffs in nba history. 6-0 better than 4-6. michael jordan is a better attacking player and better defender. and he is more clutch. lebron is 2nd greatest player of all time, but jordan is the goat.
😂😂😂😂😂 Shannon said LeBron was 3 years old playing junior varsity 😂,I can't breathe
He is always hyped up l like to hear him talk.
These words tells a lot for me.
-"He built ftom within"
yes but it's BS. Jordan build nothing. The GM did.
People really tend to confuse Jordan and the the 90's Bulls
Jordan didn't had a 72-10 record, the bulls did. Jordan didn't won 6 rings, the bulls did. He was not alone. It's a team sport. No one wins in isolation.
Jordan himself said it. It's useless trying to find a goat. But a greatest team ever ? That makes more sense. And the 90's bull are a serious contender.
@@alexislapierre5126 he is the best there ever was u just hating
Shannon talking about killer instinct for LeBron yeah that killer instinct was there when he said at the end of the day, it's just basketball..
Out of context about D-Angelo russell feeling the pressure.
Killer instinct and you retire twice lol
@@Commenting800 He retired because of his father, and then due to being pushed out by the Owner.
Do not try and lie here…😂
So what if he retire that's to show u how great he is a 3 peat on the comeback
@Commenting800 His dad died, you idiot.
Yall take anything that man says out of context. He was asked how to play perfect basketball, LeBron said "it's just basketball" meaning it ain't hard to figure out. Swear most of yall don't use your brain
My Reasons why MJ is the GOAT
5 - Boldness/Confidence
Michael Jordan epitomized boldness on the basketball court. He fearlessly took on challenges, whether it was facing tough defenders, taking the last shot in critical moments, or leading his team through adversity. His confidence in his abilities allowed him to make daring plays and take calculated risks, often resulting in spectacular performances and game-winning plays.
4 - Ferociousness
On the court, Jordan exhibited a ferocious competitiveness that set him apart from his peers. He attacked every game with an aggressive mindset, relentlessly driving to the basket, fiercely defending his opponents, and refusing to back down from any challenge.
3 - Unyielding
Michael Jordan did not waver under pressure. He is an example of a player who embraces pressure in games and never showed any signs of giving up.
2 - Determination for excellence
Jordan refused to settle for mediocrity and demanded nothing but the best from himself and his teammates.
1 - Marketability
His boldness on the court made him entertaining to watch but MJ was also charismatic. He became bigger than the game and trailblazed next level endorsements for players.
Others may possess some of these qualities but MJ embodied them all to the max and this is why he was considered a GOAT before he had even won a championship. These qualities can be backed by his individual accolades.
Being 6-0 in finals is just a nice team stat to go along with his greatness. Same goes for the "no game 7" narrative. MJ was already a GOAT but the Bulls had finally built a strong team (including coaches etc) to help win the chips. Nobody wins a championship alone.
MJ= 🐐
100% Agree.👍
No doubt
No
Why comparing Lebron to Jordan is blastmous Lebron need 2 elite superstars to win championship on Heat Jordan going to score unguarded in playoffs mindset different Lebron want be 6ft8 250 Point guard Jordan want score 50😂
@@breonmitchell2443You mean the same way MJ needed 2 stars to win?