NBA Legends Are Coming After LeBron James
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It makes you appreciate guys like Larry Bird and Allen Iverson who are the rightly considered legends and all-time greats but also have no problems giving today’s players the respect they deserve
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@@Terror832 was that a pun god damn 💀
Yep
@@Htiy yes that was intentional
@@Terror832 bro💀
Gilbert continues to be one of the most respectful and level headed former basketball players I’ve seen, doesn’t really take sides or claim the era he played in was best
Gilbert don't play🔫🔫 gimme my 🤑🤑
@@lebronjames1474 what about the 2020 win bron
@@lebronjames1474 Yea I agree the kid behind this account would be getting abused so bad all the players in that era would be arrested
Bron played in the same era as him, but one key rule was taken out once he was drafted in the league. That rule was ultimately the hand check rule, and furthermore the NBA became softer once they started implementing more rules. That undeniably made the sport soft just so the league can make more revenue through the offensive side of the spectrum.
Gilbert believes the modern era is the best. I don’t think he’s wrong, but he’s definitely taken a side.
The point about great players adapting, lebron came into the league with the three pointer being his main weakness but he's been in the league so long that the three became essential and he developed his game and expanded his range to the half court line. Perfect example of great players being great in any era.
Truee
Oh, so you mean like MJ with the 3 pts line ? Interesting argument
@@BenDovahkin He didnt need the 3 to be an offensive juggernaut, he was already lethal in the mid-range. But Lebron needed to adapt his game cuz hes getting old, in his younger days he woulda just dunked the ball and drive but now he mainly relies on mid-range shooting and 3 pointers
Dude shoots 34% from 3 for his career. Sorry he’s not the guy when it comes to the 3 balls
@@samschott5632 You do know that the league average for 3 pointers in the NBA is 34.7%? He might not be the best but he is definitely capable of shooting a 3. You probably just got used to monsters like Steph who shoot 40+% from 3
People seem to forget that Lebron has played for almost 2 decades. He isn't just a current player, he's been an NBA player for more of his life than he has not.
That's mental isnt it. Most people can't even get into the NBA and LeBron has been there longer than he hasn't. I wonder how many ever achieved something like that.
Thanks to steroids
@@bigricky5742 he got that sauce
@@bigricky5742 prove it, otherwise you just hating. Stfu
@@bigricky5742the guy spends millions a year on his body. And the nba drug test would’ve said he used roids
Put kd in any era ever he’s getting arrested for witchcraft and is averaging 30 minimum
Put Alex Caruso in that era and little Mikey is coming off the bench wearing Air Carusos
agreed ! Current player would be dancing on em they wouldn't even understand what's going on !
Cap
The delusion here is thick.
Thinking that a player could automatically adjust to different rules in different decades is delusional
@@acedcoin3343 no your just a hater 🤡
I love that Rasheed and Rodman claimed they would dominate KD, but Kobe said he couldn’t ever figure out how to stop KD.
Kobe is a guard and KD is almost 7 feet… of course Kobe would say that 🤦🏼♂️
Sheed and Rodman certainly could if PJ Tucker made life hell for KD in the playoffs last year. Nobody is dominating KD though, as he showed he can handle that physicality in 7 gm series. But KD has a variety of skills that allows him to play through physicality (sick cross, off dribble quickness, pull up contested Js, elite 3pt shooter).
LeBron on the other hand, I think Rodman and Pippen would actually lock him up like 55 to 60% of the time bc his game really is one dimensional when it comes to scoring. Much like Giannis with slightly better J and much better passing.
@@johngriller4997 lmao. Kd averaged 35.4 10.6 5.4 in that series. Pj tucker played his best defense and was still Kd’s bitch
@@johngriller4997 who has actually locked up Giannis, really? A whole team defensive scheme was needed, nevermind his teammates selling, and you said so, LeBron has better passing so...
the only way stopping KD are his injuries
@@gerryclarito212 Go ask Boston on how to stop him.
We love the old heads, but it's always great to see someone taking the time to bring their mythical status back down to Earth.
I’m an “old head” who’s 46yrs old and I approve your comment.
(It irritated me to hear old heads in the 90s say Shaq and Jordan would’ve been lunch meat for Wilt and Oscar Robertson and Barry Sanders was nothing in comparison to Jim Brown…it equally irritates me to now hear dudes my age say that LeBron and Steph wouldn’t make it in the 80s and 90s).
Lebron dispite of his succes alot of haters was angry to him
Mythical?
Legendary more like it.
And with all the flopping and rolling around on the floor like they are dying now a days???
Ticky tack fouls???
Thank God for the jordan eara
@@Bosscross03yeah all the mj defender on the perimeter is a low i.q and slow moving black man or a 5"9 skinny accountant white guy like Jeff hornacek 90s era are overrated
@@Bosscross03 There is a 90% chance that if Jordan played today he would flop and complain about fouls too.
I used to think this was a a legit arguement until LeBron 2018 happened. That was his physical and mental game peaking at the same time. Simply, unstoppable. Could terrorise any era
that one year? LMAO
@@johnmont4736 u could just say 2009-2018
@@johnmont4736yea
@@johnmont4736 are you thick in the head? he said that LeBron that year changed his perspective not that only 2018 LeBron was good lol
Peds. Of course, he could dominate any era.
damn. Much respect to Gilbert , he’s real asf.
He smart asf he finessed the magic outta millions of dollars while he was chilling at home XD
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I would've never survived in the 90's or 80's NBA. I'm a full fledged Diva and I love flopping. I also need my Superteams to win a chip.
He so on point...
@@lebronjames1474 imagine wasting precious time of your life making and account about someone who doesn't know you excist
“Great players will excel in any era” best quote of 2021 in terms of basketball
That should serve as the immediate answer to this question.
mic drop.
Because it's true. It's only been 70 years. That is nothing.
Some oldschool players are not sold on Lebron's greatness because they believe he won't excel in the 80's and the 90's as much as he did in the 2010's
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@@eyeconqueror1185 well, there was like 8 teams back then. That doesn't count
Dennis Rodman saying someone relies too much on strength and athleticism is hilarious
Irony. Irony is what that is.
@Ocean Lives you can say it but is it true I think it's laughable to think that the only factor standing between Phil Jackson and Michael Jordan and their will to win a championship is whether or not they get a Dennis Rodman.
@@seun35 First 3 peat was without Rodman. He's good contributing great on the second but I don't think even without him they wouldn't have pulled it off
Rodman could not even contain Shawn Kemp during 96 finals
@@nuffsaid9050 Rodman was the reason y the bulls beat the sonics
8:54 i have so much respect for him after that comment! It's really about adapting to the era and the way they play/ed . You can't say "ah this guy couldn't shoot three's so he wouldn't do that well today" or the other way around. If someone from back then practiced shooting three's it would be a completely different story. Same way players today could adapt to the 90's playstyle . Some more, some less
Gilbert Arenas is smart on that opinion.
It’s because Gilbert isn’t blinded by biased when it comes to the game. Saying that “Oh xxx couldn’t survive in my era because *blank blank blank* “ is the same thing as saying “Player A from the 90s couldn’t survive today’s era because they don’t have the pacing or adjustments to the speed of the game.”
It’s all hypothetical and impossible to say for sure if players would be successful if they switched eras.
Bro Rasheed actually talking about a guy who smacked him in the playoffs
Rasheed has PTSD and Dementia at age 47
@@Terror832 lol 😂
And he wasn’t as succesful in 07 as he was in 2012
@@Terror832 He got the paul pierce syndrome lmao
@@kreizeeboi Paul pierce whooped Lebron first tho but yeah lmao
I don't care what Era we talking about Curry is still getting his points.
For real
Steph is getting buckets he gets by people cause he has handles and you have to run out on him. Hand checking ? That changes a lot cause Curry is not physically fast or athletic for Nba standards .
curry wouldn't be able to handle hand checking, he is a kid out there around grown ass men
Bro this old heads be on crack. One dude told me that Lebron couldn’t survive the 90s because he has no skill, then he said curry would be a role player in that era because his not big enough. 🤡💀
He might get points but he definitely wouldn’t be scoring as much as he did a few years ago.
Rodman’s “make basketball tough again” hat had me laughing 😂
Rasheed Wallace is like that 90s kid born on December 1999 talking about 2000s kids
Gilbert Arenas has become one of my favorite NBA guys. He’s so level headed and genuinely funny. I’m 31 so I try to be fair to generations older or younger than me and not be bias about mine. I
Bruh same Gil is my guy!
Yup gives informed unbiased points with context behind the numbers
Ha. Maybe he's level headed now, but not so much during his playing days. Still, All-star career and apparently a good grasp of the game.
He spoke like a very mature person in this interview.. too bad he ruined his career with that gun incident
good explanation why 90s and 00s were way harder eras th-cam.com/video/8nBRV0TKsxo/w-d-xo.html
if they couldn’t stop larry bird they ain’t stopping KD
Larry bird is mad underrated
@@Kylek899 that mans a combination of KD and Lebron James, but sadly got injured very early in his career , could’ve done a lot more if it weren’t for that back injury
@@avalancher360 lebron james ?
@@yo5233 more so in terms that he was an all around player like lebron , but a better shooter like Durant
@@avalancher360 i thought he meant athletic like lebron
If you actually look at league wide scoring through time, you can see that actually the early 90s were way higher scoring than the early 2010s. The only seasons where teams average 101 points or lower per game was a continuous stretch from 1996-2015. That means most of LeBron’s career was in the lowest scoring years in NBA history. Recency bias has made us think he played in high scoring leagues his whole career.
I like the point on adaptation because it makes sense. If you play an aggressive style because your era allows you to do that without catching fouls and you bring that to an era that’s more foul-prone, you won’t necessarily be better, you’ll just see a bigger deviation between your offensive and defensive numbers. You’ll probably put up more points and assists per game because you’re not getting whaled on as much when you have the ball. However, you’re probably getting more fouls called on you when you’re defending or going for rebounds because you’re used to being aggressive and you fall for foul baits more often. You may even foul out of the game more often. So your overall impact on the game isn’t objectively better, it’s just different.
Adaptability is a skill all great players have and it’s one they never stop demonstrating. It’s how they learned the game in the first place and you know what they say about greatness: you never stop learning.
Wilt Chamberlain has said in some interviews that Jordan wouldn't survive in his era. This bullshit has been going on forever 😂
That nigga wilt hated Mike 😭😭😭
Apparently it's a tradition
Lol it’s not a skill thing, he’ was saying they didn’t let you dunk like that over and over in that era, dude woulda contested him and it wouldn’t have been a foul (unlike Jordan’s era where he took physical punishment but he got to the line every time). But wilt is right about how the game was different in his era, the nba did not favor individual scoring, it favored team ball and defense. So a lot of the things 90’s players and Jordan did, palming the ball, “backing” ppl down, etc wasn’t allowed in wilt’s era. Like y’all imagine shaq being defended by Gordon heyward when y’all think of wilt but that’s not how the era was, they were all between 6’10” and 7 ft, and you actually couldn’t back ppl down, they would have called offensive fouls. All of wilt and kareem’s points came off actual moves and shots.
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This video explaims why the league is softer
Sam Jones got crushed by wilt 1 time and did not come into paint rest of game, same thing would've happened to mj
As long as there's generational stars, things like this will always happen. Those blessed by extreme talent are cursed with the harshest critics.
Jordan wasn’t, I wonder if that had anything to do with the nba and Nike going bankrupt, and betting it all on mj
Parish and Wilt are critical of Jordan. Jordan's team was a loser in the 80s. In Parish's defense, Jordan never won against the Celtics in any playoff game, going 0-6. Jordan only won a ring towards the end of Celtics and Lakers prime.
In Wilt's defense, the league rules adjusted to accommodate Jordan's game while the league rules were adjusted to stop Wilt's game.
@@bobtwista And as you say this someone brings up the fact that wilt & parish critiqued jordan.
@@bobtwista I mean he effectively changed the league and kept it afloat . However he got criticized . People are just way to invested in their favorite players .it's tiers to this shit . The soft talk is just not someone accepting change . The players today aren't softer . That is in fact a dumb narrative or statement . I could want to do something . But if the rules don't allow it or it costs my team why would I . If another player can argue with the ref and start getting favorable calls why wouldn't I . Players are highly adaptable . They should seek out a advantage if they got it . Nothing is wrong with that . I was born in 82 . Trust me players complained in the 90' s . They also were friends back then too .
@@tayfattz2272 the players today aren't softer? Hahahaha what a bunch of absurd bullshit
Greatness is defined by a player's ability to adapt to new changes in the game, that's why players like Steph and KD would also prosper in the 90s.
Yeh kd was floundering like a fish out of water im the olympics diiickkheaaad..you know where they actually play physical and have defense
Greatness is defined by how we feel about an athlete. Nothing else matters. If the fans decide their greatness exist. That's that. Nothing about ability to blahs blahs blah.
@@joshwhitley8969 what are u talking about
@@konradzaleski860 there’s no singular def of greatness that’s all
i saw Stephen Jackson on a show once saying Lebron wouldnt last in his era. Stephen Jackson was drafted like 5-6 years before Lebron and they were in the league for 11 years together. Anyone who thinks todays players are soft because of the way they exaggerate fouls must be slow. When you see someone bump Lebrons forearm and he goes flying just think about this: do you really REALLY think a slap on the arm would effect Lebron like that? You think it causes him so much agony that he cant go on? Of course not. They do it because they know more times than not they'll get a foul call because thats how the nba is officiated now. More foul calls = more free throws = more points = more wins = bigger contracts etc. If you took any "tough guy" from the 80's and told them they could go from scoring 17 points per game to 25+ by just exaggerating any contact they receive i guarantee they'd do it. 17 ppg guys make 25 mil a year. 25+ ppg guys make 40 mil and get shoe deals.
Your talking about today’s players who flop for fouls, but think they could handle the “Jordan Rules” era of Basketball? Players like Laimbeer, Rodman, Barkley & Shaq, who were known to be physical & flagrant!?! Not only did you have to be physically tough, but mentally as well. Jimmy said it his own self: LeBron would’ve been Karl Malone in that era. And how many championships did he win?
so the misconception in what you're stating is 5-6 years made a difference in the league. Early 2000s till mid 2000s were the last stages of a more physical era and it started changing the other way towards a softer era very quick so it kind of makes sense for stephen jackson to mention that.
@@Messiah_Black nba is the only major sports entity where such a large portion of fans are unwilling to acknowledge the fact that players are constantly improving.
@@dubsont1de I don’t know if it’s that so much, as it is the NBA relies heavily on marketing it’s best individual players more than any other team sport. The NFL doesn’t need Pat Mahomes or Josh Allen to be better than Tom Brady to sell tickets, in the same way the NBA needed LeBron & Kobe to be the “next” MJ to boost ratings. People who weren’t even a fan of basketball would come to see Jordan drop 50 pts, or watch Kobe win his 3rd Championship. A list celebs sitting court side at games made Basketball the place to be “seen” in the sports world. And because of this, there is more of a “prima donna” attitude now with basketball players more than any other athlete. You see all these big name players, constantly whining & switching teams, demanding high salaries then not honoring their contracts, joining up together on a handful of good teams just to chase championships... Wasn’t like that back in the day, and it’s stuff like this that takes the competitiveness, mystique & sportsmanship out of the game. You said it yourself: they flop to get more points & bigger contracts. So are players really “improving,” or just padding their numbers🤔? You didn’t have that type of mentality during previous eras, so naturally people are gonna be more reminiscent of the “good ol days” when it seemed like there was less drama & more work ethic.
@@Messiah_Black . So are players really “improving,” or just padding their numbers? Players are improving. Period. Anything that humans continue to do over a long period of time they will improve at. Rewarding flopping is a rules issue, not a soft player issue. If the refs rewarded flopping in any other era theyd flop too. Do you think players would still flop even if they had never been rewarded for it? Just laying on the court for absolutely no reason? of course not.
This is why I liked Kobe cuz he never said this type of stuff he appreciates the players and the game and tried to make basketball better
You don't know Kobe! Kobe was interested in one thing and that is being THE MAN - he didn't care about winning, or the other players, he just wanted to be the man. The Lakers had a period where they appeared in 4 finals out of 5 and won 3. Kobe was dissatisfied because Shaq was the leading scorer, MVP, & focus of the offense. He threaten to leave unless they got rid of Shaq, Phil Jackson and all the rest. From that point on Kobe was the man even though the team was losing before they bounce back and then started losing again. The last 6 or 7 years Kobe & the Lakers didn't even have winning seasons but Kobe was satisfied because he was the man.
@@Sole-Survivor What you just said had nothing to do with his comment, no hate
@@Sole-Survivor nobody reading all that shit shut up
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@@Sole-Survivor LOL even if all that cap we're remotely true...It has nothing to do with how kobe publicly spoke about other players and the game...
Gilbert gave the most intelligent answer than everybody that was asked.
😑Gilbert is an oddball who has a strange perspective. A know it all...
@@miltonbrayboy1881 you need know it all’s in this confused time
Milton you definitely can't perceive reality accurately.. keep studying life
Gilbert is a lebron drider
@@miltonbrayboy1881 We need more know it all's in this world. Too many small minded folks tossing out dumb ass opinions with probably 0.02 seconds of real thought.
Great analysis! Very concise, entertaining and insightful. You tube needs more content like this.
Exactly--love him or hate him, LeBron was amazing. He's been amazing his whole career, even when he was still getting better all the time, and that's what the best do: adapt and keep getting better. Not only that, what these discussions never recognize is the nature/nurture question. I don't think it's fair to say this or that player 'would be soft', if he played in the past. Even thought it's definitely true that some would be soft, we can't really know which ones, because the way the game was played during each era shaped those players. They have developed and adapted their games to the era in which they played/are playing.
A lot of the players they call soft today have really just adapted to and developed in the current league and its rules. If they had to learn and play the older ways, they would have. By definition that is what the best always do, and most of the best today, would have been able to play with the best back in the day, and vice versa.
A 💯. If basketball was still as physical as it were back then a lot of these current players will have adapted! They’re not “soft” just adhering to the league current rules!
I don't see lebron doing it and he definitely wouldn't be considered as good as he was if he was playing back in the 80s and 90s
@@lothar71 Definitely? Okay, when we get a time machine, we will test that theory, because LeBron would be a 6'9" freak in any era, so I think he would have definitely been just as good back then. I don't recall Jordan, Chamberlin, (Magic) Johnson, and Russell doing any more for their teams than James has done so far. Except maybe Russell and Chamberlin--I'm not sure they get the credit they deserve.
@@lothar71 missed the point, guess you have more perspective than the Great Gilbert Arenas a player that Kobe stated he couldn't guard. 😏
@@lothar71 bro if lebron went back in time to play with a cavs team that wasnt trash man would be starting a dynasty in probably end with 8 rings
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They are saying everyone with a jumpshot would be soft in their era. Smh.
Edit: Y’all talking about Lebron not having a jumper. They weren’t just talking about Lebron. They were saying KD and Curry would be soft too and last I checked, they both have a jump shot.
🌝🌝Lebron shoots 37.5% outside of 3 feet in the regular season and 35.9% outside of 3 feet in the playoffs 🌝🌝
Ben Simmons is a HOF in the 90s lol
@@therealkatana3930 Ben Simmons is a poor poor man’s Magic Johnson
@@thebronzebomber1985 he ain't do no magic johnson tricks foh 😂
@@therealkatana3930 I mean he could dominate in the paint
And people shoot less threes so he would dominate
But I think people would hack a simmons
That cross up and How T. Prince folded his arms and ran in fear out the way was Legend 🤣
One thing that cannot be disputed is that regardless of the era, you are the GOAT of TH-cam NBA content 😀💪🏽💥. You got the facts the clips, the narrative, the presentation, whoo!
Bro this argument is like when your parents say crap like, "I had to walk 26 miles to school every day when I was a kid. You should be able to handle this it's easy." They're embellishing themselves and no one can really disprove it.
Some people had to walk that far dude LOL.
These have changed drastically since then which is why the disconnect happens.
@@hungerxhunger2548 do you not know how much 26 miles is? Sure some people maybe had to walk a mile or so but, that was probably such a minority of people.
@@zerobst8533 Yes my mom Had to walk for over a hour to get to school so I have it real easy compared to them.
@@hungerxhunger2548 it would take wayyy longer than an hour to walk 26 miles
sounds personal
In one of his last interviews Kobe said he never was able to crack the puzzle that is KD. Dude would’ve caused problems in any era.
Facts them old players just mad the new players are better than them
Bro kd ain’t built like that
I have mixed feeling abt Kobe, great players but his ego made him say some stupid shit like he did about J Lin
@@swastikgrover3414 oh stop it. Things happen on the court.
@@swastikgrover3414 ego//5 rings…. Got it
Lots of great points made in this video. Not afraid to admit that I changed my mind about a few things after watching
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Let's be honest, most NBA stars today would've been just fine in the other ERAs.
Greats can be great in any era
Most, yes. But the game changes. I think someone like Steph would've been more like Steve Nash 20 years ago. Harden and Kyrie wouldn't have been nearly as good because refs actually called traveling back then, and didn't let you get those cheap fouls. Bron would've been great, but probably wouldn't be averaging 25 at 37 years old...because the paint was more clogged and he'd have to work way harder for buckets.
On the other side, many dominant bigs from the past would've had to develop a deep shot, or they wouldn't be used as much. Guards who have no 3 point shot wouldn't even make a roster. AI wouldn't be allowed to take 30 shots on poor efficiency.
Some players would be better now, like Reggie Miller and Larry Bird. They'd be taking 12 3pt shots per game. The game just changes. Overall, greats are gonna be great. It's just a matter of HOW great.
Just like how old players from former eras would’ve been great in today’s game, nba players adapt to the current state of the game
@@paulh.9937 i gotta disagree, it can but being a great doesnt translate completely to everywhere
@@John6-40 Paint clogged? You weren't even allowed to come off your man to provide help or it was illegal defense. LeBron is in a 1 on 1 every play with an open lane behind his man. You think he wouldn't score 25? I can't think of too many guys stopping LeBron coming downhill with no help.
And I actually don't like LeBron at all because he complains about no calls way too much.
I remember laughing when I saw what Rasheed said about LBJ and said out loud "He literally beat you in 2007 by himself"
@GED Whisperer Not in the 2007 Cavs it wasn't. Lebron literally won game 5 by scoring 25 points in a row while defended by the entire Pistons team
This edit is crazy keep up the hard work
One of the best NBA/basketball videos I’ve seen on TH-cam in a while. So many hot takes in this one. I started watching NBA in 2001 - Lakers vs Sixers. I’ve been a Kobe fan ever since. Today, this younger generation wants to drop the Ja’s, LaMelo’s, etc in the same convos at times with Kobe, because they “don’t know what they don’t know.” And when Steph’s name is mentioned?! They’ve got him in GOAT convos. Meanwhile, my father watched Jerry West & then the Magic, Bird, Kareem era. In the same way, I know those guys were all-time greats - but I missed those eras, so I know I have the same appreciation dad does also. “Generational bias” nails this idea down best - we all think best basketball was/is during “our” time.
You know somethings wrong when Gilbert ‘let me bring a gun to my locker room’ Arenas is making the most sense out of all the legends speaking on the topic
Fax 😂
I mean when you compare that to a crack-induced drag queen who sits out games to party in Vegas, then that's relatively tame
@@janseanmarwyn4703 you talking bout Rodman 😭😭?
Actually Gilbert is incredibly intelligent and well spoken. His takes are always on point.
@@SidestickPilot on gun point
The KD thing is totally true, we've never seen a player like KD literally ever.
There's been people who had similarities to superstars, few people who even literally model their game after their idol etc
But we've never seen a 7ft scorer who literally has every move in his bag... Ever.
When all is said and done KD will be looked back on as a top 10 of all time.
KD yes., but how does it translates to winning. LeBron's run is more impressive
If larry bird was 2 inches taller you get KD
@@josker4271 don’t disrespect bird like that, you get Larry bird with probably a few more rings
@@seanlegette4177 Larry Bird's prime didn't last that long tho
The only problem with him being top 10 all time is that he's never really won anything without a superteam. If he was such an unstoppable force, why couldn't he win with OKC, who btw had an very talented roster.
Ive always thought alot about the "softness" thing, and people complaining about flopping both in basketball and football. As much as I hate it too, part of me does realise that its the players trying to abuse every single millimeter of the ruleset to get ahead of their opponents. You know, winning. If you find more tools to get more points why not abuse it, its just become part of the IQ skillset of the sport
They didn’t find loopholes to exploit, the rules of the game have literally been changed to make scoring easier Lol
Facts
LeBron or any other player wouldn't flop if they think its useless. Many players now would flop to get fouls. People should realize that in 'THIS ERA' flopping is also a skill in basketball.
And they act like guys like Bill Laimbeer and other dirty players from that era weren’t whining, flopping, foul baiting, and complaining to grab any foul call they could get to help their team. It’s just a bit hypocritical that’s all.
@@ImTooms oh my God cry lol
Most excellent video. Thank you Gilbert A. for making sense. These old fools talking crazy.
rasheed: talks for 3 minutes
jimy: let me just end ur entire career rq
at least let em have the podcast 😭
To be fair he didn’t mention ben Wallace not being there
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Great stuff...no one has said it better...its a fact ...greatness can adapt and perform in any era in any sport ..what makes one great is there ability to adapt
Make a video about the rule changes and the effects it had on each era. Start with the Flagrant foul rule and the review of said fouls. Please and thank you,
My respect for Gilbert Arenas after watching this: 📈📈📈
Dennis Rodman 📉📉📉📉
He is my favorite interview on basketball... Cause he really, really breaks it down and tells the truth from a common sense prospective
U should watch Gilbert Arenas podcast. He give a ton of respect to the people of this era as well as great story times of when he was in the league.
@@danielajayi894 straight up delusional that guy
@@kaseemburr4825 fubo sports??? I watch the clips of Arenas interviews
The fact Wallace says that and doesn't remember he played lebron that many times blows my mind and just makes me laugh when he has clearly blocked out those memories in his mind lol. Must have been traumatized from the whole experience
Lebron was embarrassing those grown ass men they just salty 😂😂🤣 the funniest part is that Rasheed actually paved the way pf shooting threes 🤷🏾♂️
🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@brainpink68 Lebron was 22 dude that wasn’t grown? What the heck do millennials consider a “grown ass man” 🤦♂️😂. Fukn worst most immature ass generation ever.
@@HT-sm9dm do you not have a reading comprehension he said "those grown ass men" not "james is a grown ass man"
@@HT-sm9dm for anyone born in 199X anything after 30 is old. So I guess 28 years old is grown? Lmfao
Hearing comments like Gilbert arena's is so great. He doesn't discredit. He gives reasoning on why and how the games are different between eras, and gives props where due. Class act from an OG
It is actually enough to include Kobe's saying that he could not figure out KD to close the issue.
Great video.
Yeah, and that's coming from KOBE BRYANT. Kobe may not be a big man but he's still a 12x All-Defensive Player and more importantly he's one of the smartest players to ever touch the basketball court... There's only a handful of NBA Hall of Famers who's opinion's are as rightfully respected as the Black Mamba's, Rasheed Wallace's sure as hell isn't one of them.
@@Flyhr Well said.
@@Flyhr most of Kobe's all-defensive selections are entirely due to his early days reputations. After early 00s Kobe really didn't have many all-defensive level seasons.
@@duck8624 Swear 08 was the last one he deserved honestly 09 onward should’ve been Wade’s
@@duck8624 Actually agree here and Phil Jackson agreed too but the original comment is correct his opinion is deeply respected.
Man... who would've thought Gilbert Arenas would be the voice of reason amongst these past nba players LOL. Mans is spitting straight facts
lol no one should ever take Rodman's opinion seriously. Dude is a drag queen. and he never was an nba star. he doesn't understand basketball as he thinks he does
@@HoangNguyen-sy1be WHAAAT? RODMAN DOESNT UNDERSTAND BASKETBALL????
ARE YOU HIGH????
HE IS One of the best defenders...bitch
@@HoangNguyen-sy1be "never an nba star" one of the most iconic players ever and the greatest rebounder 🤡
@@kira-xh5ue that doesn't mean he was an nba star. You gotta be able to do something more than rebounding to be considered a star
@@HoangNguyen-sy1be 5× NBA champion (1989, 1990, 1996-1998)
2× NBA All-Star (1990, 1992)
2× All-NBA Third Team (1992, 1995)
2× NBA Defensive Player of the Year (1990, 1991)
7× NBA All-Defensive First Team (1989-1993, 1995, 1996)
NBA All-Defensive Second Team (1994)
7× NBA rebounding champion (1992-1998)
No. 10 retired by Detroit Pistons.
but leave it to hoang Nguyen to not call the worm a star 🤡🤦♂️
It's so funny when 90s-00s old heads say "Lebron couldn't play in my era."
My brother in Christ, Lebron is a middle aged man who began playing in 2003. He literally played in your era.
Oh snap I didn't know you were chill like that 🤙🏾
The lack of consistency is absurd simultaneously they call bron “soft” and “relying on his strength too much” lmao which one is it
i think they mean, not my opinion... Mentally "soft" and "relys on this strenghy too much" cause of his weak mind.
@@Thorcat001 He's not weak minded because he cares if he wins and gets calls I can show you an entire compilation of Jordan crying to refs and sweet talking them and flopping, it's always been apart of the game and always will be apart of the game
@@chupdoesyoutube5365 did you read the start of on my comment cause it seems like you did not cause you are trying to convince me.
@@chupdoesyoutube5365 also Jordan flopping? What the fuck where you watching.
@@Thorcat001 Jordan flopped all the time and how Is he weak minded dude is the goat if lebron weak minded jordan is too he retired cuz he couldn’t play w his coach no more
When you sit down and analyze it lebron really has played against the peak of a lot of 90s era players and pretty much 3 generations of basketball. And somehow stayed consistently at the top of the pack
Leaving teams to build super teams? That's not exactly staying on top. Then there are the flops, quitting on his teams & sjw garbage? Yeah right! 🤭
@@conditionallyunconditional5691 looks like Lebron rented out a penthouse in your brain!
@@everythinglakers1713 nah. I lost interest in any possible GOAT status, over the past 10 yrs. LeBum isnt in my head but at least I explain why he doesnt deserve such a title. Besides that, a GOAT doesnt choke either!
@@conditionallyunconditional5691 LeBron could literally go broke building an expansion team in the NBA and he still would be able to live rent free in your head
@@everythinglakers1713 what the hell are you on? The person you are talking to did not bring up LeBron.
Hand checking was eliminated in the 2004 rule change that outlawed hand-checking in the NBA. Instead of using their hands to keep offensive players in front . This was one of the changes in era
some of these oldies are either underestimating current players or just literally overestimating their "era"
“You can not stop him you can only hope to contain him” I’ve heard that somewhere
Alex Caruso lmfao
Caruso on KD
Dan Patrick
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If by "his era" he means the Jailblazers, then every player from today would be soft in his eyes lol
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@@bandupzay nah
No matter the ERA. Great Players will always be great.
@11:15 :) I love KD, NBA has never seen anything like him, Top 15 all time for sure but I lost it laughing at "POKE HIS EYE OUT" and he's still scoring ...
Love how Jimmy uses facts and stats to make a conclusions everytime
Absolutely, love some of his quotes too.
"Great players are going to excel in any era".
"Delusion doesn't discriminate age".
Just WOW.
He left out the fact that the NBA made handchecking illegal in 2004. I think this helped Lebron since he's not a great shooter, and doesn't have the moves or footwork of Jordan or Kobe. I'm not saying he's not a great player though.
one issue is though that Jimmy doesn't mention stats/facts that don't support his point which is a major problem as it creates a false narrative
Those facts aren't always correct!
5:15 he said LeBron averaged 27.8 points, 7.0 rebounds, 5.8 assists
He actually averaged 27.8 points, 7.0 rebounds and 7.0 assists!
Rasheed Wallace played from 1996-2010-2013
LeBron James played from 2003-202?
Major rule changes occurred from 2000-2002 making the game MUCH Softer.
It is just a fact that the modern era is softer than the 90's. On the plus side, the class of 2010-2015 looks like a rough bunch. East looks Beast.
Rasheed: "my era soft"
Everyone: "...are you saying that because LEBRON was in it??"
I don't think rasheed's era was soft, it was since Leflop came in the south beach
@@westbrick6393 Rasheed played nearly an entire decade in Lebron's era and Lebron destroyed the Pistons during Rasheed's prime years when he was all NBA so how can he say things would be different when they played in damn near the same era. Make it make sense.
@@quentin6233 I said NBA became soft since lebron came to the south beach (2010), Rasheed has already retired dummy
@@westbrick6393 doesn't matter. Lebron was in his 8th year when he got to Miami. Vlade Divac was the first player that flopped in an egregious way because he couldn't handle Shaq and that was like back in 1999. This all started back then which is right during the Rasheed Wallace Shaquille O'Neal era along with the hack a Shaq fouling. Flopping wouldn't even be a thing if it weren't for Divac so stop trying to put this on Lebrons time in Miami some 12 years later.
@@quentin6233 that's just beggining, it started since Lebron came to the miami
Best b-ball vid on that topic 👌 😅 but we all have to agree that 80's and 90's basketball was more exciting...
I learned something. In fact, this video taught me so much, it changed my mind in less than 15 minutes.
Many legends want to tear LBJ because they want their era to be the dominant one. LBJ pose a threat to them. Even MJ said LBJ will be great in his era. Those legends that really know the game like Bird, Magic, MJ, AI know the truth.
But would he have won against them if you can’t even beat Dirk Dallas Mavs... Magic won 5 in 8 tries Kareem 6 in 9 MJ 6 for 6 Kobe 5-7 but LeBron 4-9 not even .500 bruh! Hell Shaq 4-7 u don’t trophies for showing up but winning
@@dariusewing6962 not trying to diminish all the other GOATs who played in the 80s-90s but LeBron has had considerably more competition in the Finals than almost all of them.
@@dariusewing6962 lebron is 4-6 ahahah not 4-9....but that loss against dallas was bad really bad and he should've won but that doesn't mean that he wouldn't be be dominant in other eras bcuz look at what he did AFTER the dallas series, it was pure domination and still is cuz he's playing at a high level
@@dariusewing6962 really bad take
@@dariusewing6962 MJ didn’t get past the first round until the bulls drafted Scottie. Lebron went to the finals without any superstars in 07 and 18. What’s your point?
“great players will adapt to any era” the amount of facts in this statement. if jerry west were to hypothetically never retire and still play today in his prime he would be just as elite.
Nah he’d average 2ppg
@@xBeeGee pure ignorance
oh boi! hey would be OLD!!! #ZombieAttack
@@jayzwrld_ you gotta be 60+ years old to think jerry west could compete today
@@xBeeGee you gotta be stupid to think a talent of his calibre would not adapt his skillset to make it fit today's game
“Great players will adapt to any era!”
Yes! I’m glad to hear someone else say this!
I remember Rasheed Wallace being dope on the N64 LOL
This argument goes both ways. On one hand you have the "old heads" saying the current superstars wouldn't survive in the old days, but at the same time, you have youngsters saying that the past generation was "plumbers and janitors" etc. Respect is a two way street. But social media is so toxic that you have dumb arguments on both sides.
I usually don't say anything but I agree completely with what you wrote here. Bias is as common in humans as hearts and lungs. Everyone has them, but we LOOOVE to assume we don't and that our "opinion" is basically factual.
And the people you hear loudest are the ones that are the most delusional and least reasonable
Like he said “delusion doesn’t discriminate age”
Here's the thing about arguing on social media... Don't. If you have a disagreement, do it in person. There's a lot of communication that is missed when you can't see body language, facial expressions, or hear tone.
@@barfturbine2332 True. It's also very easy for people to get nasty when they are safely behind a keyboard or device. Ultimately, I don't blame the "internet" for that type of behavior. Whatever is in you as a human being, you will manifest it. A lot of people are quite unsavory on a character based level.
Legendary take bro
Yessir
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Big fan dude
Big fan cuh
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I 100% agree that talented players will always succeed no matter what era they play in. Total facts
Sheed acts like Steph wouldn’t drop 40 on him, nobody would know how to guard him
Ong bruh he would’ve ran circles around those clowns 🤡
Steph woulda got his for sure, he is one of the greatest pure shooters ever and in any era he would excell!
Steph Curry is allowed to shoot like that because the defense isn't allowed to play full court pressure you can't jack up shots when full court press is allowed
Oh yeah plus hand checking was already illegal if it happened beyond the foul line... Oh you best believe players like Harden and Curry would have abused that to get to the line 1000 times a season... Just like Jordan did when he averaged 37 a game.
@@lamar1990lg Bro if Curry played in Jordans era you had to play 1v1 or commit to a full double there was no zone schemes and every time curry got the ball he would do 1 of 3 things. He would either embarrass the guy 1 on 1 and get open to take an easy 3 because he's a dribble God, he would have gotten pressed by the D and would dribble into you and pull up for a 3 and you would hand check him and send him to the line. Or lastly you would commit to a full double team and he would pass off to his wide open teammate. Curry is small but the league used to be simpler then what it is now while they have to worry about being guarded by 3 guys while they are also still guarding their man because they can just play a zone all day.
Jimmy’s voice is perfect for all basketball eras.
Big facts very majestic voice
Fax
Pause
Nah, jimmys voice is too soft. Pippen wouldve shut his voice down.
Comparing eras is tough because of the evolution of the game, training, nutrition, shoe technology, etc.
Sure, the guys today are skilled, but they also benefitted from the earlier guys who helped evolve and improve the game overall.
There’s a lot of nuance to the conversation that most people don’t mention.
I would argue too that in previous generations their was far less PED use than there is today.
Well said. And I was listening to this with the context of my favourite sport football (soccer). Same argument
Do past players call Messi soft too like lebron?
People talk about the 90's being tough. The 80's were tougher and the 70's were brutal. People forget the NBA almost died in the 70's. Magic and Bird saved the NBA.
I love magic man
You’re smoking crack bro the defense in the 90s and early 2000s was the peak so far for defense, teams in the 80’s was averaging damn near 120 points lol
They totally saved the NBA.
@@fury_021But it was physical and they allowed hand checking.
The 70s was not a physical era dude u don’t know wtf u r saying
the offensive capabilities have evolved so much that players from back then wouldn't be able to guard players now
Edit: I've angered the oldheads
The top players would still adapt. What a human is hasn't changed since the 60's, there's been zero evolution... We're just talking about metagame changes which are partly due to the natural evolution of the sport, and partly forced by rule changes.
you clearly have never played basketball in your entire life if you did you would know that defenders would definitely be able to guard players from today its so easy to adapt in todays era and thats coming from someone who played HS ball
@@eduardopedro02 Kevin Durant is putting up 30 against anyone in the 90’s...
Cut it out😐
@@mathewmichaels6598 flopping been in the game since the 90s bud💀. Heard of Reggie Miller?
@@mathewmichaels6598 …..🤦🏾♂️. Flopping is flopping and like I said it’s been around for over 30 years.
If you pay attention I think Rasheed Wallace was talking about playing in the early 90s when Jordan Karl Malone and Shawn Kemp Hakeem Olajuwon and Patrick Ewing were playing their best
I really think you are the Goat of TH-cam, I mean it. Your videos are insane"
I love agent 0 even more now, THATS EXACTLY HOW U HAVE TO LOOK AT IT
Agent Zero is soft
@@HeBlewInHisEarAndHeLikedit ratio
@@__24__ missing free throws bringing guns instead of throwing hands... Soft 🤣
@@HeBlewInHisEarAndHeLikedit had career highs of 60, 54, 51 🤣
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Rasheed: "He wouldn't be Beastin', He would hold his own"
JxMY: ....and I took that personally.
@Sativa Wallace was in his prime when james was a rookie and had better stats
@Sativa after the 04 and 05 seasons bron kept those pistons and the east on lock with literal bums bron was dominating from the time he came in the league.
@Your life Does not matter key words NOT GOOD ENOUGH
@@whickman5906 🤔 he didn't when a ring till he got to MIA ,and that 04 Detroit team was getting old when he played a young Dwight Howard what happened ?
@@1peter2N9 New problem: 4v1 against 3 HOFers and Rondo in 08 after he took the bummy Cavs to the finals the previous year.
I'm curious to hear more about that flopping/fouling technique in today's game. It sure makes it LOOK weak - but why are players doing it? Is it actually beneficial to complain and flop so much? Is it working or making players look stupid? i'd love to hear the Jxmy perspective on this.
To get more free throws with is more points??
Great take my dude, however, both eras have solid points on the matter. However, the business behind the game of basketball and sports in general has skyrocketed over the last decade. Today it is all about marketing strategies and branding and less about the physical aspect of the game of basketball..the fan base is higher worldwide, video game sales are through the roof, players are much more athletic and talented and they deserve to be payed way more nowadays, and the rules have changed to fit this era and will always change as players are extraordinarily more gifted. Love the debate this topic raised, awesome work my guy.
It was more difficult to score back in the day due to the physicality but was easier to play defense. Now it is harder to defend in this new era, especially on the perimeter but it's a lot easier to get buckets. All things balance out at the end.
Nice try, but it's actually easier to defend now. Back in the day double and triple teams were considered illegal defense. Don't give me the hand check argument either, because players still get held. Go watch "defenders" hold onto Steph Curry for dear life.
That doesn’t balance out lol it means it goes from high scoring to low scoring
@@Kai-jc8xo watch the game dummy its rougher back then you can see it in video study them and the rough basketball in the past also hurts you on longevityand starting consistent
I agree...Evolution ...more players improve out side shooting unlike before ..before its more about physical but exciting ..but today a lot of of skills appeared and style just saying
That’s not balance they’d have to combine the 2 to be balanced
When you said "poke his eye out" I literally LOLed. xD
LOLed xD - 🤓😐
Laugh our louded
11:13
@@qew5608 shut up bro let him laugh
ye KD puts up good numbers but he couldn’t do it if he was missing vision in his left eye
This video was dope really cool props
When jimmy said “poke his eye out and he’ll stil get buckets on you” I lost
they say that the music you listen to when you are 13-16 is the most impressionable. i think the same can be said for anything, even basketball
Typically around that age, things happening at that time becomes your childhood. So when you get older and things change, you start to miss your childhood more as time goes on, which often turns into generational bias because “everything was better when I was a kid” is a sentiment every generation says
Agreed people are to emotionally attached to their past . In my opinion as you get older you should become wiser . But these narratives prove otherwise .
@@tayfattz2272
You aren’t wrong. Lot of people from the 50-70s are bunch of babies who think the world has peaked in terms of entertainment atleast(can’t say about overall) and that only their time was good
I listened to alot of Kodak Black explains alot..
I would love to see Steph in an older era being called a literal practitioner of witchcraft after he dropped 5000 threes in a season
fr it would be a joke, imagine 2018 warriors vs 90's bulls, couldn't tell me the warriors wouldn't win and im a huge Jordan fan
@@user-gd3ec4vh3x No one on that team is guarding KD
@@user-gd3ec4vh3x obviously i can't even imagine anyone chasing curry and klay on perimeter on whole game.
@@user-gd3ec4vh3x They'll be like, what kind of witchcraft is this? Draymond would've play equally dirty and most importantly won't back down. Klay is tough and great defender, even KD in Warriors was always willing to play great Defense.
Curry maybe the weakest defender on the court, ain't no one double teaming him.
Because it'd be illegal. Handchecking is easier than getting Double/Triple teams. Curry needs like a window of 0.2sec to shoot. Kobe has guarded steph likes pest but Steph played incredible.
Now that I think about it, Kobe would've advocated this era against these oldheads.
Warriors have their lucky charm Patrick McCaw.
Ain’t no way they losing
Great point and perspective
It doesn’t take too much research to know that eras are different and players are different. Therefore, it’ll be hard to know who would succeed. Just like Jordan said on the goat conversation, I never played against the other legends so it’d be disrespectful to say I’m the best. And to go even further not just disrespectful but also hard to predict because who knows if players would even be able to adapt to a different era.
"Back in my era" is like saying "I walked 20 miles through uphill rocks to get to school"
“Up hill rocks”? Must be nice. I had to swim across rivers to get to school back in my day.
@@Jnoel608 bro, I had to crawl in a pit full of scorpions when i was a baby to get to the nursery.. Please 🤚
@@deeniehyatt3137 bruh I had to teach myself how to beat my own heart back in the day these kids soft smh
Back in the good old days, I had to walk to school in the snow barefoot for 50 miles for 365 days a year. We couldn't afford shoes. We didn't have any vehicles. Heck, we didn't have any bikes either. Those were the days when no one could afford bags to carry their books in. I had to balance my books on top of my head while walking those 50 miles every day. Oh, did I mention that no one couldn't afford mittens back then ? Yep, the good ole days.
Ex 90s NBA Player: *"Back in my days I was getting hit with missiles and bazookas to the basket. I had blood coming out of my mouth when I got handchecked. I played in a man's league unlike these soft little boys."*
80',early 90's fouls would be techs & hard fouls ejections in todays game. IMO. That takes a toll on the body. Having said that, a top tier athlete is still top tier regardless of era. Lastly, don't put Shaq & Jordan up if they aren't in video! You make good points in your vids. Integrity man!
on god
Facts check out
U know what clickbait is?
No they wouldnt LMAO you guys are such sheep, watch games from the 80s and 90s and see the types of fouls they call, stop this ridiculous narrative please
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The biggest difference I notice about 80s and 90s basketball versus today, is how much more congested the lane was. Seems like today, players just need to beat one defender, and then they have a clear path to the basket, but watch any of Larry Bird's or Michael Jordan's highlights, and they had to fight their way through multiple defenders all the way up to the basket. You didn't have the constant run and gun "gimme" baskets like you see today.
So from the little bit that we have gathered from my perspective at least when we were saying will players today hang with players in Rashad and Dennis's and Scotty error it has to be an overwhelming yes 100% I'm not saying this for everyone but I do feel like there are certain players today that would have dominated even more than than they do now
Lebron is so impactful that he’s helping people keep their jobs. A true goat
2nd Goat
Griffin is the firs in a few block away with
"❌ *DONT READ MY NAME* ❌"
So inspirational
@@2WayJdot Yea MJ is No. 1 no debate
I mean Steve Nash would be the Goat then he got people like Marcin Gortat a Max contract