The thing that made the things for which there is no known maker.
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- Every painting needs to have had a painter, and every building needs to have had a builder.
Every thing for which there is no known maker, needs to have been made by something. (Read on...)
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Maybe, thousands of years ago, a conversation like this took place... and brought theism into the world. I wonder if the dogmatism came along as quickly as in THIS example?
This is definitely one for the atheists and anti-theists. I don't expect religious folk to really get this one. I probably won't do much debating on this, I get sick enough of explaining myself on what I think are EASY satires to understand.
HUGE thanks to youtube user BigAtomicBird for the Portuguese (and English) subtitles. A huge job done entirely voluntarily!
I say on my channel page that I don't like or attempt to argue against the existence of a God. I think it's a difficult thing to argue, and there are far better minds than mine at work on that anyway. This video is probably the closest I'll ever come to arguing against there being a God, and in fact, I'm actually arguing against the terrible kind of theistic thinking that promotes ignorance and stultifies inquiry into the natural world, the kind of thinking that says "If we don't know the answer to the question, then that OBVIOUSLY means that GODdidit!, end of story."
These characters (some viewers have suggested naming them Ray and Kirk!) don't know the reason that the seasons change. Goddidit! Once upon a time, people didn't know what caused rainbows to appear. Goddidit! How did the bacterial flagellum motor develop? Goddidit! How did life originate? GODDIDIT!!!! So, so lame.
Bah!! I have to confess to an error. The biblical cure for leprosy involves TWO birds, not FOUR as I read in the script. (I wonder how many birds were involved in the cure that actually ended the scourge of leprosy?)
Thanks for your support and thanks for enjoying my vids. They are great fun to write and make.
Full name: The thing that made the things for which there is no known maker and that causes and directs the events that we can't otherwise explain and doesn't need to have been made and is the one thing from which you can ask for things that no human can give and without whom we can't be fully happy and is unlimited by all the laws of physics and never began and will never finish and is invisible but actually everywhere at once and who is so perfect that even if he killed millions of people including babies he'd still be perfect and who is so powerful and magical, he could even make a virgin pregnant if he wanted to.
(Oh, the bloopers!!! You can imagine...)
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So God exists because people hate saying, "I don't know."
40 XDDD I don't know
40 XDDD pretty much.
God exists because there was a horny old guy way back then who wanted to seem smart to get some pussy, probably a bitch called Mary. So he thought up an answer to shit that was too ridiculous to prove wrong.
There's also the small matter of "I'm afraid of death" that features into this^^
God exists because its common sense everything has a source including life. Now get busy finding him
"Religion was invented when the first con man met the first fool".-Mark Twain
Mr Temporal - Guess we'll never know who told Voltaire
**Sun Tzu
It'll be even more halarious if the unkown maker was actually two numbers(42).
The only fool here seems to be Mark Twain. I am not religious and have problems with religion, but this notion is simply absurd.
@@angledgaze6203 what notion do you mean?
"I don't know."
My Dad used to hate it when I said that. And then I got in trouble for being a know-it-all.
SaM E
Really they just got tired of being covered in green slime every time they said "I don't know" to questions. =)
Damned if you do...
Damned if you don’t
I know I got a girl back home
Back when I was studying philosophy and religion, I developed what I called the Cyborg Ninja David Bowie Rule.
In short, if an argument or chain of ideas uses a vaguely defined individual, and said individual could be replaced with Cyborg Ninja David Bowie with only grammatical changes as necessary, then the argument was a load of crap.
Cyborg Ninja David Bowie was a useful guide in those difficult times.
The rest of my life will disappoint me, as this is truly the most beautiful thing in existence.
Wow, I'm gonna have to borrow this. I love it!!
Gonna have to be Undead Cyborg Ninja David Bowie now, unfortunately.
Morphimus
Cyborg Ninja David Bowie never dies. He just loses contact with Ground Control sometimes, that's all.
Salnax I love Cyborg ninja David Bowie
i would love a follow up on this where these 2 meet another ancient people who have their own “thing that made the things for which there are no known maker” and debate which thing is the correct thing
You're asking me to depict all-out military conflict and genocide... using Paint?
@@NonStampCollector it’s a tall order mate, i know. but i have faith in you
@@nicogonzalez5520lol
You could try Paint3D
@@NonStampCollectorthe Big Lez show was a pretty great success made entirely in paint. I’m sure you could do it :)
We could make a religion out of this
Holy shit man you just killed them xD
lifes stupid I think most religions are made of this.
Yes, this was, in fact, the point
Hahahahshhahhah
Bill Wurtz
*"God" is just saying "I don't know" with extra steps.*
"Strong feelings like this are generally pretty good evidence for this kind of thing." - That line made me double-over in laughter...but it's basically the center of every Christian apologist argument ever.
It’s literally the requirement to be a Christian, which you can also call faith.
The rest is deflection and justification
Defining things into existence is so much easier than worrying about facts
It's weird the lengths some people will go to define their maximally great thingymajigger into existence whilst denying doing that.
@@wrathofainzit really is. They can, with a straight face, say everything must have a creator. except for this one thing.
@itoibo4208 I do love me some special pleading.
When asking why that one thing doesn't need a creator we get another argument from definition, i.e. "because I said so".
Just merge Facts and the algebra of existence into one single thing
"The Church of The Thing That Made The Things For Which There Is No Known Maker And That Causes And Directs The Events That We Can't Otherwise Explain And Doesn't Need To Have Been Made And Is The One Thing From Which You Can Ask For Things That No Human Can Give And Without Whom We Can't Be Fully Happy And Is Unlimited By All The Laws Of Physics And Never Began And Will Never Finish And Is Invisible But Actually Everywhere At Once And Who Is So Perfect That Even If He Killed Millions Of People Including Babies He Would Still Be Perfect And Who Is So Powerful And Magical, He Could Even Make A Virgin Pregnant If He Wanted To."
You deserve 1k likes
Well done...Brilliant! Now try saying it like the guy in the video. So far I have totally failed.
However, I will have to keep trying - for fear of offending The Thing That Made The Things For Which There Is No Known Maker And That Causes And Directs The Events That We Can't Otherwise Explain And Doesn't Need To Have Been Made And Is The One Thing From Which You Can Ask For Things That No Human Can Give And Without Whom We Can't Be Fully Happy And Is Unlimited By All The Laws Of Physics And Never Began And Will Never Finish And Is Invisible But Actually Everywhere At Once And Who Is So Perfect That Even If He Killed Millions Of People Including Babies He Would Still Be Perfect And Who Is So Powerful And Magical, He Could Even Make A Virgin Pregnant If He Wanted To AND WOULD SEND ME TO HELL FOR SIMPLY NOT BELIEVING IN HIM.
@@davidbrown8763 you deserve 1k likes
@@markfairbanks3533 Many thanks Mark Fairbanks.
The TTTMTTFWTINKMATCADTETWCOEADNTHBMAITOTFWYCAFTTNHCGAWWWCBFHAIUBATLOPANBAWNFAIIBAEAOAWISPTEIHKMOPIBHWSBPAWISPAMHCEMAVPIHWT bible
This is first class. The god of the gaps fallacy distilled.
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@@jesuslovesyou1 The fact you hanging around channels such as this show you have doubts.
Don't deny them. Follow your curiosity.
The ad on the video for me: "Become an Official Pastor. Christian Minister Registration. Register Now"
Oh the irony
***** What's the difference? If I'm not watching the ad on TV, then there is no message and thus no selling something to me that I don't want.
Same with AdBlock. I don't want the ads - I *NEVER* click on internet ads. Why not just skip the crap?
If I am watching a video like this, it's pretty obvious that I have no interest in becoming a Christian Minister. And if I can stop any ad money from going to that kind of thing, I'm all for it.
Skipping ads are fine, they make the ads (in this particular case, a Christian organization) give money to the creator (in this case, NSC). Add block blocks money from the advertiser to the creator. This is especially important if the creator is small, like NSC is, because if this is his full-time thing (which TH-cam is for a lot of people), then they need the money to live. +Rayven10 You don't have to click on them, you should let them play for the 5-30 seconds that they're unskipable, though. That way the creator of the video gets the money they worked towards. When you mute the tv/radio, it still reads that you're watching that ad and the tv company gets the money to pay their creators.
TL:DR Stop being ignorant about advertisements.
Well, in this particular case, I'm OK with blocking the ads entirely because I do not want to support, in any way, the efforts to promote a religious ideal. If anything, I'll help to work against that.
As far as other ads, perhaps they should develop another business model that doesn't rely on ads, or other such thing. The TV or radio being muted and me skipping the ad here does exactly the same on my end: stops me from having to listen to someone trying to sell me something I don't need or want. I control what I hear, and if the advertisers want to reach me, they should find a better way.
Advertisements don't even really work for me. There's occasionally the inventive product that might have some use to it, but it never piques my interest or needs enough to actually get one. If I want something I'll go looking for it, making a CGI dog say it's a great product doesn't make me want to buy it any more or less. I never quite understood why it would for anyone.
Rayven10 why not? Probably so.e good money in that career. Just don't take your work home with you.
I don't believe in Thethingthatmadethethingsforwhichthereisnoknownmakerandwhocausesanddirectstheeventswecan'totherwiseexplainandwhodoesn'tneedtohavebeenmadeandisothenethingyoucanaskforthingswhichnohumancangiveyouandwithoutwhomwecan'tbefullyhappyandisunlimitedbyallthelawsofphysicsandwhoneverbeganandwillneverfinishandwho'sinvisiblebutactuallyeverywhereatonceandwho'ssoperfectthatevenifhekilledmillionsofpeopleincludingbabieswouldstillbeperfectndwho'ssopowerfulandmagicalthathecouldevenmakeaviginpregnantifhewantedto. He sounds too much like God.
*facedesk*
i think he meant it as a joke
, you stupid idiots.
Scott 🤣rofl
Wow! Great name you came up with!
this is extra funny to me because about 35 yrs ago my best friend and I did some acid one night and we came up with some shit similar to this video.(I shit you not) we really thought we came up with the answer to EVERY THING.Then the next day we realized the only answer we came up with was we were WAY too high the night before.lol True story.
I've always wondered if The thing that made the things for which there is no known maker can make a rock so big that he himself can't lift it? lol, ok I stole that from George Carlin. :)
***** LOL
Jill Hammer It's all right, he stole it from some old philosopher... possibly Epicurus, but I'm not sure.
***** Interesting point.
There are more things though. Can the thing that made the things for which there is no known maker kill itself? If it's possible, then he can't be omnipotent, since he's supposed to be invunerable, or some such. If he cannot, then there is something he cannot do, which makes his power limited.
You can even ask if he can create something he can't create. If he can't, he's not omnipotent because he should be able to do that, but if he can, well he's not omnipotent.
With omnipotency comes all kinds of paradoxes, it's simply not possible :)
+DaReaperZ, it's the fallacy of infinite regress.
I'd rather go to my farm and sacrifice my livestock in the name of NonStampCollector if he would appreciate that and make some other videos.
Анатолий Иванов
oh my god (oh the irony) are you Russian? Я просто так радуюсь когда вижу наших, славян, которые мало того что не поддерживают мракобесие рпц, так еще и смотрят каналы закарднонных атеистов. Я в Риге живу, хоть тут религия не такая яркая, за то каждый третий смотрит экстрасенсов, гороскопы, пьют гомеопатию и тд.
Haven't read russian in 40 years. Something about the city Rija, the Russian Orthodox Church and homosexuals -- I think ...
There are 301 people that dislike this. THATS REALLY UNBELIEVABLE! I can't explain this so it must be the Thing for which there is no known maker who has voted this down!
We shall call him... "Tim!"
hail tim
Blasphemy! His name is Jeff!
Robert Migraine The true birth of the my name Jeff meme
I always thought his name was Bob.
Howard. You know. Jesus _H._ Christ ... _"Howard"_ be thy name.
I was listening to this with my 5 y/o nearby. I paused it about half way through and he asked me "Did the thing make the rocks? It must have made the rocks b/c they said it was really powerful." The thing that made the things has a new convert.
Oh nooo
How they doin now at 16
We need an update!
Update?
16?
This is the god of the gaps that originated with primitive humans because they didn't know much about the world. Today invoking a god of the gaps is no longer necessary and is completely irrational.
God of the gaps was irrational even when we knew nothing about the world and universe. If you don’t know who did a murder, the lack of knowledge doesn’t make the butler more likely to have done it. You just don’t know.
Religion is entirely irrational in the first place. It inevitably is either a result of indoctrination under threat of shunning, a result of seeking meaning in times of tragedy *OR* due to folks otherwise being so up their own ass they believe in all sorts of conspiracy theories almost purely for the sake of their ego. People that can't fathom they may not be special.
Well there's still stuff that we don't know and probably will never figure out, it's just irrational to claim that "god did it" because mythology is always irrational.
"He wants you to stop boiling baby goats in their mother's milk"
Guy on the background: "Oh, what?!"
😂 🤣 yeah, like dude ?! Who does that?!
God=complex, therefore by christians logic, complex things can exist without a maker. Checkmate
Gay Jesus One point does not checkmate a religion I take you're piece with my Bishop.
+Jame Copeland No, I'm pretty sure most religions can be checkmated by a single point, and normally that point is pretty mundane or obvious. There's a plethora of single points that completely debunk Christianity, and any one of them makes the entire religion utterly devoid of meaning. For instance, if souls don't exist (which they don't) then how exactly is your soul going to make it into Heaven or Hell, one of the main premises of Christianity? The issue is, a lot of people backpedal once they realize their religion is full of holes, and start trying to claw at unfalsifiable tenants, even though the original religion is pretty clear in what it's saying. OP is completely right, if the world is so complex that it requires a creator, then that creator would also require a creator. It's part of the Clockmaker Fallacy and is an issue that literally nobody can argue against because it's entirely logically sound and on a solid foundation, and if held to be true means that a good portion of religions are utter nonsense.
Abandoned Void I can agree with the clockmaker thing but at the same time something had to exist before the universe logically right? I am sure you can see how that is also an infinite loop of "well something had to come before this"
+James Copeland How exactly can there be a "before" of time itself?
Abandoned Void I don't think this universe has existed forever it had to have a start
Let's call him "Blort". If I were an omnipotent creator deity and my creations needed to establish a one-syllable moniker by which to identify me, I think sounding like the name an alien from a 1950's b-movie would have would be the highest praise one could hope for.
I would love to see this performed live.
In front of a church.
You are wonderful. This would be hysterical British comedy.
It reminds me of Monty Python!
silly people, the answer is 42.
21
49. It's in the scripture.
@@andrewoliver8930 no its 69
@@blitheixgaming1289 no this is religion we are talking about. The answer is 96 or 60. You choose.
No the number is 0. No beginning and no end. ;)
This is priceless. One of the best videos on the internet hahahah
This guy is so creative
Gabriel Barreto Well...he just summarized every religion ever in so many words...they technically came up with it first...
@Lucky the black cat circumcision - what a rip off
And so began a long history of bullshit...
Exactly and brainwashing
If NonStampCollector had only ever made one video - this one alone would have made him a LEGEND! As it is he has blessed us with many! 8-)
@samwilson3d Notice how people come to religion. They get it when they are young and gullible or they get it when they are at a terrible low in their life. This is almost universal. Now consider how people leave religion to become atheists. This is done by thinking, logic and education. This fact alone should tell you something.
That or they take it due to *horny*... Or sheer ignorance of the knowledge common to many these days.
I've known two guys that forced themselves to "believe" for the sake of their crush as youth...
And a great number that just don't understand things such as evolution or common sense such as natural events and the movement of continents and large bodies of water.
Back then everybody got nailed on extractions of the acacia tree (a common element in DMT), which when smoked or drank in a broth or brewed like tea makes people trip their heads of in to oblivion causing visual and auditory hallucinations - one example being Moses and the burning bush... the hallucination from acacia can cause a person to see distortions in light levels with bright and heavy "auras" around objects which could explain why the bush appeared to be engulfed in but no consumed by fire. Also other effects of the acacia high are auditory hallucinations - hearing voices and having conversations with people who aren't there - god's voice in the burning bush maybe? Acacia was rife in that region around that time and still is. Judaism, in my opinion, began because a load of high desert dwellers took too much and did loads of crazy shit. No fucking wonder every government bans the use of drugs LOL
Urrcreavesh That comment is a year old. Think they’ll notice?
Urrcreavesh Hello
Massive Branflake where can I cope and paste and print that?
Copy*
Maybe drugs sre banned because they'll make people start a bunch of religions and leave the existing ones.
Haha!
"Stop boiling baby goats in their mother's milk"
Random guy: oh WHAT?!?
Goat: "baaa"
i was already an atheist before i started binge watching your videos but now i'm even more of an atheist. Thank you.
The saddest thing is that many religious types would actually think this is serious and pro-God.
current_interest yep
Uh, that’s not true
Ehhh not really
The beginning of the religion .
God was actually originally a combination of Yahweh and El, two Semitic deities which are currently considered two names for the same god. One was a sky god and one was a warrior god, though I can't keep straight which is which.
@@bryn4962 That's facinating, where did you get this information?
Yahweh the war god and El the head of the Canaanite pantheon
I am utterly speechless. This is perfect. Everybody who argues the creation from design idea needs to see this video. Hell, ANY theist needs to watch this!
Hell, every one of your videos says pretty much everything I've ever wanted to say, except much more succintly and so forth. I am incredibly jealous. Excellent work!
The most perfect cartoon I've ever seen
This reminds me of when I was a child and was reading a collection of Greek mythology. I started to talk with my father about it and i still remember how he explained to me that in his oppinion those gods and those stories existed for things that weren’t explainable, especially plights etc. I was pretty surprised when I found out that that argument apparently didn’t work for Bible God.
"The thing that made the things for which there is no known maker and that causes and directs the events that we can't otherwise explain and doesn't need to have been made and is the one thing from which you can ask for things that no human can give and without whom we can't be fully happy and is unlimited by all the laws of physics and never began and will never finish and is invisible but actually everywhere at once and who is so perfect that even if he killed millions of people including babies he'd still be perfect and who is so powerful and magical, he could even make a virgin pregnant if he wanted to" is so much easier to say than "I don't know."
This has aged like a fine wine. I needed this in private school and I cherish it now. Thank you.
It's like modern day Monty Python. Love it! :-)
I just activated the notification bell for the first time in my life. These are absolutely perfect, the animations included.
That's going to be one silent bell. ETA on the next one is a known unknown.
I've got a short and simple name for it Perhaps call it "scam". It's one syllable, short and pretty much tells you everything you need to know about it.
Just call him "Thing" or "The Thing" or maybe "Cousin Itt"!!! (Or, even, "The Flying Spaghetti Monster" LOL, bless His Noodly Appendages!)
God took over 7 days to make me and my mom and dad only took 30 seconds…Checkmate God!
James Copeland
Considering the handle, that would be no surprise.
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"women arent much good at making things.."
"hmm.."
"except babies.."
lol..
:D
Yea the Bible was pretty damn misogynistic lol
"Bob"
+NonStampCollector How many times did you have to record this? XD
Had to come back and watch this for a 3rd or 4th time, like an old M*A*S*H* re-run. Just too good!
“No friggin yeast! He cannot stand that shit!”
"Women aren't much good at making things...Except babies." You are such a genius.
get some bracelets that say: wwtttmttfwtinkmd
Took me a second, but I got it 😂
What would the-thing-that-made-the-thing-for-which-there-is-no-known-maker do?
Most of us lived in a society where a creator of everything was a common belief, to the point where imagining a society that just _accepts_ that they don't know how the world came into existence seems unfathomable. I recall a chilling historical perspective that the (secular) Ancient Greeks had about time. If I recall correctly: they divided periods into living, recorded (age of heroes), and obscure. The last one stating that the earth existed forever and we simply forgot about what happened since it could literally be eons and eons ago.
This creates the same feeling in me as I experience in being around religious people who ‘share’ their thoughts. Which means NSC has nailed the thought processes of those numbskulls.
Aw... this video's like an old friend. Glad to be reunited. 😀
INCORRECT! Strong feelings are not that which explains the causes, events, and things for which there is no known maker and causer…it is vague thoughts, dreams, and mental impressions that that defines the unknown maker. Use your head!
Don’t forget schizophrenic episodes and psychosis
Blud just disproved god
It doesnt rolls off the tongue as well... as flying spaguetti monster....
So the thing doesn't like yeast? No beer? Don't trust him already!
I can’t imagine how difficult these voiceovers were to get perfect
"I don't ever want to say I don't know again!" That is good xD
The thing that made the things for which there is no known maker
Brilliant
But
They missed the obvious explanation for what made it
It's the thing that made the things for which there is no known maker
So, it made itself
The Unknown Maker makes everything that has no known maker. So what made the Unknown Maker? If the Unknown Maker made the Unknown Maker, then we know what made the Unknown Maker, so the Unknown Maker did not make the Unknown Maker. If the Unknown Maker did not make the Unknown Maker, then we do not know what made the Unknown Maker, so the Unknown Maker did make the Unknown Maker.
Therefore the Unknown Maker made the Unknown Maker just as much as the Unknown Maker did not make the Unknown Maker.
Why did I understand everything u just said
Or for short, "TheThingThatAnswersEverythingYetExplainsNothing".
What name will we name him..
Guy: inhale (Yah) - exhale (weh)
everybody: nice name
in logic there is a difference between a valid and sound argument,
a valid argument has the right structure but isn't true
while a sound argument has true premises that agree with each other and a conclusion that agrees with them.
the best creationist arguments are the former and the rest dont make any sense.
“God of the Gaps: The Movie”
This is a perfect perspective on this whole antiquated-belief-system thing. Great videos. Wish new ones were coming. Is there another channel or something?
Your Microsoft paint is absolutely awesome
I've never seen the argumentative appeal of God. Atheists believe the universe came from nothing. But theists believe the universe came from something that came from nothing? How does that make more sense? God is supposed to explain why things are so complex. But when is something so simple that it doesn't need to have been created by a God?
***** I know. I intentionally strawmanned both positions for lulz.
Atheist don't believe the universe came from nothing. They don't know where the universe came from. Just like your own religion. You know nothing about atheist.
I am an agnostic. I don't know where the universe came from either, I'm just not convinced an all-powerful wizard did it.
Interesting guy So stop strawmanning atheists.
Aristotle has already answered your question. God did not "come from nothing" because god is the "uncaused cause".
All praise to thee, thethingthatmadethethingsfor
whichthereisnoknownmakerand
thatcausesandirectstheevents
thatwecan'totherwisexplainandit
doesn'tneedtohavebeenmadeand
istheonethingfromwhichyoucan
askthingsthatnohumancangive
andwithoutwhomwecan'tbefully
happyandisunlimitedbyallthelawsofphysicsandneverbeganandwill
neverfinishandisinvisiblebut
actuallyeverywhereatonceandis
soperfectthatevenifhekilled
millionsofpeopleincludingbabies,he'dstillbeperfectandwho'sso
powerfulandmagical,hecouldevenmakeavirginpregnantifhewanted
to!!!!!!
Wow, that is a tad long.
I just call him tttmttfwtinkmatcadtetwcoeaidnthbmaitotfwycattnjcgawwwcbfhaiubatlopanbawnfaiibaeaoaispteihkmopibhsbpawspamhcemavpihwt
for short.
I don't have a clue what you're talking about... and that's why that sounds amazing! I believe!!
I almost thought it was gibberish
What's wrong with saying, "I don't know"?
Adonan the Stoic: There's nothing wrong with saying "I don't know"......that's what atheists say but creationists would say "God did it" instead of just admitting that there are things they don't understand.
The fascinating witches who put the scintillating stitches in the britches of the boys who put the powder on the noses of the faces of the ladies of the harem of the Court of King Caracticus just passed by to thank you for this.
God was the easy answer to explain things that we didn’t understand.
The sky is making water and has streaks of light across it? God.
The earth is cracking beneath us? God.
What is this giant ball of hot in the sky? Probably God.
No, all of those claims are huge, huge stretches. None of them are precise enough to be considered accurate or knowledgeable.
Thanks for having the intellectual honesty to answer my two simple questions. You've demonstrated all I needed to know.
This video is basically: What if WLC was two people?
How much of the video's runtime is taken up by them just saying his name?
God was designed as the answer to powerlessness. He is the embodiment of wishful thinking, the bandage or filling material that covers our failures and close the gaps in our knowledge.
As a result, He has come to embody Power, and because of that, He has been identified with human rulers, and became ruler Himself: the Lord in the heavens.
Now the divine mirrors the ruling class:
• many City-State kings? Here's a pantheon!
• ruled by an autocratic emperor? Here's an all-powerful Lord-God!
• edgy anarchism? No Gods, No Masters!
So basically the God of the gaps.
People ascribing events and things in the world to spirits, gods, or one God is a side effect of the reason the human psyche created such myths. People wanted power, they wanted to feel like they could do more, and so there had to be something they could do, like communicate with a higher being, to give them more power over an area of their life. First, in most cultures, everything had a spirit, and that is what would be communicated to for greater power over that being or thing. Spirits turned to gods, and most cultures now believe in a one God. As time went on, people began to ask questions of those who held power, which ended up being the imagined power of communicating with these beings. And, of course, why pass up the opportunity to gain more power in people's lives by claiming that your spirit or deity was responsible? After all, if you didn't know the answer, then it must be this deity (as per the video). Over time, as the Enlightenment and subsequent intellectual changes to human society occurred, we were able to offer real answers to these questions. Well, some offered explanations before this, but reasoning was a dangerous thing when religions held most or all of the power, and the word of the faith against you would be the end of your life in one way or another. Anyways, despite the explanations being constantly explained (no, a god does not throw a weapon to cause lightning, etc.), people constantly hold to the notion that surely every other thing we don't yet know is due to a deity. It's so mind-bogglingly silly.
@sonyerectson Which is exactly why we don't. That's my problem with Paley's "watchmaker" argument. I quote: "We recognize design through contrast to the naturally occurring. The very fact that Paley singles out the watch in the argument as an apparently designed object, implies that the natural environment around it does not appear designed, which seems to refute the whole point of the designer argument. On some level Paley knows there is an intrinsic difference between the watch and the rock."
Reminds me of a certain group of people
He's so powerful and magical that he can make a virgin pregnant 🤣
I didn't know it required so much power and magical abilities
This conversation took place 40,000+ years ago.
soo, it has been a placeholder all this time...and they made a religion...lots of religions out of this. and applied populargender even if gender was unnecessary. genius.
..why can't we be what doesn't need to be made in the first place o.o I like to make myself... double genius
donT' know things? make shit up! yes....yeeess...
we are sooo dumb
seasons have been understood for thousands of years. its very easy to track the position of the stars year round. and the shortening and lengthening of the daylight in a day.
It's exasperating to know that people are still going on about 'the maker'. 9th century Jaina philosopher Acarya Jinasena dealt with the creator God in the following way:
"Some foolish men declare that creator made the world. The doctrine that the world was created is ill advised and should be rejected.
If God created the world, where was he before the creation? If you say he was transcendent then and needed no support, where is he now? How could God have made this world without any raw material? If you say that he made this first, and then the world, you are faced with an endless regression.
If you declare that this raw material arose naturally you fall into another fallacy, for the whole universe might thus have been its own creator, and have arisen quite naturally.
If God created the world by an act of his own will, without any raw material, then it is just his will and nothing else - and who will believe this silly nonsense?
If he is ever perfect and complete, how could the will to create have arisen in him? If, on the other hand, he is not perfect, he could no more create the universe than a potter could.
If he is form-less, action-less and all-embracing, how could he have created the world? Such a soul, devoid of all modality, would have no desire to create anything.
If he is perfect, he does not strive for the three aims of man, so what advantage would he gain by creating the universe?
If you say that he created to no purpose because it was his nature to do so, then God is pointless. If he created in some kind of sport, it was the sport of a foolish child, leading to trouble.
If he created because of the karma of embodied beings (acquired in a previous creation), then he is not the Almighty Lord, but subordinate to something else.
If out of love for living beings and need of them he made the world, why did he not make creation wholly blissful free from misfortune?
If he were transcendent he would not create, for he would be free: Nor if involved in transmigration, for then he would not be almighty. Thus the doctrine that the world was created by God makes no sense at all.
And God commits great sin in slaying the children whom he himself created. If you say that he slays only to destroy evil beings, why did he create such beings in the first place?
Good men should combat the believer in divine creation, maddened by an evil doctrine. Know that the world is uncreated, as time itself is, without beginning or end, and is based on the principles, life and rest. Uncreated and indestructible, it endures under the compulsion of its own nature."
- 'Mahapurana' by Jinasena
very good reference!
This is brilliant. Thank you.
I like this partly because it doesn't fall into the common atheist trap of thinking that religion could only have been made by conmen with cruel intentions. Which is just the "If I can't explain it, must be god!" but "If it's not god, must be psychopaths!"
It makes way more sense for it to have started by someone just looking for answers or even someone just looking to help their group of essentially primitive civilization. It might be hard to try and corral people into doing things like eating 'clean' meat that doesn't make them sick (even if you don't know what makes it unclean and makes you sick), but if you say that there's some infinitely powerful dude knocking around who is everywhere always and will give you the nasty hellfire treatment if you do, that works way way better. Same for all the pretty common rules like murder, and then some extra commandments to keep them only listening to your version of god.
In fact the less educated and larger the society, the better a religion would be a social tool to try and guide people, including with benevolent intentions. Problem is how easy it is for someone to hijack that too. Sure, making up some dude that tells people exactly what to do works well when you're the only guy writing it, but then other people start writing it and there's all these contradictions and people with their own biases getting involved, it just becomes a whole mess.
To make it short…. The God of the gaps.
It's funny, but it's no way the real history of religion. Stone age cultures are NOT creationist.
Luckily a number of stone age cultures survived until recently. There rarely is the notion of a god that "designed" everything. In Australian mythology every feature of nature has its story, but not a "maker". A certain river valley may have formed because the Rainbow Serpent happened to come along, but there is no purpose involved, things just happen. This kind of thinking is closer to modern science, than to creationism. Both ask the question: what is the origin of that and that, instead of asking who made it and why.
you are merely dividing monotheists from deists and pagans, theyre all the same, the only difference in semantics.
I actually don't understand what you mean. My only point was: the question after the "origin of things" is universal. The question after the "creator of things" is more special and not found in every mythology. Not every religion has a conscious purposeful creating agent (=God). So how can they be all the same when they are different.
again, you separate deists from theists.
I do not even talk about deists. But since both, theists and deists, believe in a purposeful creating agent, I even equated them. I rather distinguish them from origin stories, that do NOT apply such an agent. Could give you examples, but don't know if you care
Yeah, but most Stone Age cultures agree that gods and goddesses were heavily involved in the creation of the world. They might not believe that the world was created for us by an all perfect and all loving being, but they do believe that the world was made by them. Another interesting thing is that I don't think I've ever heard about an ancient mythology that tries to explain where the primordial material came from, it just existed
Both OT and NT endorses slavery. Leviticus puts some restrictions on how badly you can beat your slaves and Paul advises Philemon not to beat Onesimus, but not because doing so would be a sin, but because Onesimus had converted to Christianity. Jesus advises slaves to obey their masters. He doesn't give any advice to slave owners that contradicts the OT law. There is nothing in the Bible that suggests there is any problem with owning people as property.
I thought it was 42. :S
...except babies.
Drunken logic - just define a placeholder entity into existence. We'll give it a handy name tomorrow. Maybe we should make matching robes for ourselves to wear.
Should some of us ponder this thing for sixty or seventy years then start scribbling this stuff down on tablets or something as best we can recall.
I'm not just sitting here. I haven't even watched a video for 3 hours.
But it's 1 degree Celsius outside, with 130km/h southerlies (that means cold down here) and near-torrential rain.
Every couple of minutes, the lights flicker.
You want to go outside in this, be my guest.
I'll stay in here and have fun talking about life, the universe, and everything.
Deliberation and debate is fun. One should always seek to improve one's wordview.
What better way to do that than argue about it?
the great tongue twister
Can I just real quick point out that a burnt offering was basically just cooked, then eaten by the priests, who claimed "god takes the soul-y bits"
Let's just appreciate the magical part of life and this world, and accept that there is a great mystery. We're all on a rock floating through the sky and nobody knows why.
But things can get troublesome when people convince others that the great mystery communicates through them. On the one side this has helped many people find fulfillment in life, but it also caused a lot of misery when abused by people to manipulate others. Like the guys who wrote the Bible willingly or unwillingly did.
I have to really meet someone to this day that really found furfilment in religion. All what I’ve seen is people chastising themselves and others and giving their time and money to manipulators.
We should name him God
Ten points.
Great job in educating. Good on ya!
@0debug What reversed entropy in the beginning? All things move towards equilibrium and all we find is intense complexity and a universe that is accelerating in expansion.
This is absolutely brilliiant. Very well done as always, NSC. I love how you include the bible references. I read the bible cover to cover for the first time earlier this year, and your videos were a welcome commentary along that strange journey.
As far as the answer to everything, why not just call it 42 and be done with it?