@@bottosrob By holding the ankle of a flying horse. He also split the moon in half. It is the Bible that the guy rode to heaven in a chariot lol. I'm pretty sure at least. Edit: It does not say ankle in the Quran or Hadith, so I have no clue where I got that from. Still doesn't make it any more believable though.
The existence of such an entity would be a far greater horror than every Cthullhu mythos. Just imagine: An omnipotent, all mighty diety, suffering from a psychosis and schizophrenia, having a lust for murder, suffering and pain. Torn apart between its different alter egos. Oscilating between endless cruelty and endless love. It is always there, everywhere. A constant factor in space and time and beyond. Neverending, unforgiving. You can't stop it. You will suffer if you deny it. And all of atheists and all the lack of evidence is just his plot to make you deny it, so he can torture you for ever. This is just grim.
If you had a kid playing with insects like that, you’d have him seen by a psychiatrist! Religion knows that most people are self centered and they’ll eat bs up if they think it’s all about them! Humans are bound to extinction!
Of course you are guilty: you are white, so its your fault that there was black slavery, you are men, so its your fault that women in Muslim countries suffer, you are Christian, so its your fault that there were crusades 1000 years ago, you are Jew so its your fault that Jesus died, you are human, so its your fault that Eve eat apple from tree. You are mammal, so its your fault that dinosaurs went extinct. You live on earth, so you should be thankful that the star that was here before sun exploded and created materials in your body.
This was why I was so happy when my Mum became an atheist at age 60. She had suffered SO MUCH at the hands of the Catholic church, being caned by nuns, threatened with Hell.... Atheism was my first step towards emotional freedom.
My christian pastor talked all kinds of shit about my former religion (LDS). Then I applied the same scrutiny to christianity. It became clear that BS comes in any flavor you want. Glad to have my life back after 40 years of mental bondage.
Good for you. I used to attend a "spiritual warfare" church. They talked as much about Satan as Jesus. I walked away from fundamentalist Christianity in my mid-30s. What a burden off my back. I returned to God in my mid-50s, but as a mystic. Totally different flavor. Delicious. Filling. And life-changing. And free of guilt, shame, and condemnation.
@@MysticManifesting Mystic? Do you believe in fairy magic? Come on, reality is far more interesting, just look what science has discovered and will continue to discover about the universe you and I live in. Think about it, we are one of the only known ways in which the universe is observing and understanding itself. Every single atom in your body was once inside a star that went supernova. We are literally star dust. No need to bring in a god to the equation - also, by spreading your beliefs in such a god, you are effectively adding to the numbers of stupid, ignorant, homophobic religious people out there, regardless of whether or not you believe that stuff, so you should still feel guilt unless you have proof to back up your belief.
This perfectly articulates the rage that's been boiling up from inside me for the past three years. My dad is a pastor in one of the few christian sects that actually believes the whole bible verbatim, my whole family still professes christianity, but I just can't do it anymore. The entire system is a fucking nightmare. It makes me so angry that otherwise rational and sane people choose to believe in such a nonsensical system and actually praise the god of that system as some sort of merciful and just being when, if he existed, his maturity wouldn't be very far beyond that of a human toddler.
No hun, you have to just let them be. Dont let them detract from the happiness you can have with this new freedom. Let them know where you stand,.tell them its non-negotiable and go be happy. Dont allow anyone to steal your joy. It's been about 10 yrs for me....it will get better
If they believe in the Bible in a literal sense, then how do they deal with the contradictions? I bet there are lots of verses you could have them questioning themselves with.
I feel the exact same way. My husband is a complete Bible-Thumper and he likes to get this: get drunk every night and start arguments with me that usually begin with “The Bible says...” and ends with me either taking a walk or popping in a pair of headphones until he finally passes out! It’s utterly RIDICULOUS! Great man otherwise.... takes great care of me and our home, is adventurous and a lot of fun.... I think the whole Bible thing is just because he knows it presses my buttons, but I hardly think that any of his fellow Christians think it’s appropriate to get sh!tfaced and then use the Bible as a way to start senseless arguments! UGH!!! God, help me!!! Lol
@@alukuhito contradictions in the Bible don’t make them confused. The average atheist is far more literate in actual biblical knowledge than the average Christian. These people go into church on Sunday/flip on their Bible study on their tv or phone and listen to a preacher/worship leader give them anecdotes of christians, cute little Bible stories, and inspirational lectures. They never flip through a Bible long enough or with enough attentiveness to actually 1.) find out about the contradictions and mandated killings in the Bible and 2.) even if they found it, their explanation of why it’s in there and what it means is skewed by church leaders. “It’s out of context” or “it was a different time with different objective morality” no matter if they have scriptural or real world evidence or not.
@Talk-jn7xo that's true according to modern Christian theology but the Bible never makes any clause for those who don't believe and have never heard or babies and children, just the blanket statement that the only way to avoid hell is believing in Jesus. The idea that those who never heard about the right god automatically get a free pass is one of the many things Christianity has added to what they claim is the perfect word of god, because it's the 9nly way the system isn't completely immoral and ridiculous, although it does kind of make the concept of evangelism and spreading the religion completely self defeating, and also jesus in general.
@Talk-jn7xo context shows that he is specifically speaking to the pharisees, not everyone in general. But even if he wasn't that would then contradict the bible when it says that the only way the heaven is through Jesus, therefore belief in Jesus, as was told to everyone in general, is required. Except what I said does make sense. If not knowing means that people can get into heaven then why tell anyone about God? Why spread the message of Jesus? If people don't know then they get in and if they do know but aren't convinced then they go to hell. If it works how you say then the best option would be for Christians to never tell people about Jesus. Maybe what I said isn't the thing that doesn't make sense but instead the ridiculous requirement to get into heaven, which isn't based on what people do or why they do it but whether or not they've heard a story and accepted it without evidence that doesn't make any sense. Also I'm as scared of ending up in hell as I am of bad afterlifes of every other religion. And if a God does turn out to exist and it is the Christian god and I do meet them and they do ask me why (even though they're all knowing so they don't need to ask anything, although that also ruins free will) then I'll say that I didn't believe in them for the same reason I don't believe in any other God or ghosts or magic or psychics or that crystals can heal or alien abductions or that the earth is flat and if God wanted me to believe and is all knowing and all powerful then they could have easily convinced me and I would have believed, so the fault there is with him, instead God chose to give exactly the same evidence as every other religion in history.
@Talk-jn7xo right, so if you take the view that those who don't know about god still go to heaven (despite the few verses not really proving that and being contradicted by the whole point of Jesus being so that people can go to heaven through him and the bible saying that the 0nly way to heaven is through him) then the church and Christians telling people about god and Jesus and giving everyone bibles and knocking on their doors and yelling on the streets and trying to get their religion taught in schools alongside established facts, etc is making people go to hell and if they didn't do that then more people would end up in heaven. So on your argument it would be better if Christianity disappeared because then no one would go to hell for not blindly believing a crazy unproven story from a book of myths and fairytales that constantly gets history and science wrong. That is the logical conclusion to your argument. Although if you're argument is correct I'm now baffled by the point of Jesus if people can just already go to heaven. What is the point of telling someone like me about Jesus? Apparently I was already going to heaven but now cause I've been told about Jesus and just won't believe any crazy story someone tells me, like ghosts, alien abductions, flat earth, anti vax, crystal healing, or what any other religion claims from their book of myths and fairytales, I'm now doomed to be tortured forever by an all loving god. It barely made any sense beforehand (god having to kill himself to stop himself from torturing people forever because of the rules he made knowing that they wouldn't be able to follow them but it 9nly works if they believe it), now the entire religion makes even less sense and has damned more people to hell than it has saved.
@Talk-jn7xo did i trigger you by pointing out that your argument makes the entire religion self defeating? Cause your response doesn't address my point. So an all knowing and all powerful god can't convince everyone that they exist? Not a very impressive god, sounds more like one that doesn't exist or seems less capable than a regular person. Most people who don't believe in god would probably believe if god just appeared and said hi I exist, yet instead god decides to play the longest game of hid3 and seek while getting annoyed at people not believing in them, like some kind of stalker. Or is it a no free will thing (which can't exist if god is all knowing), do the people who god knows won't believe have any choice in the matter? How does god determine that they wouldn't believe? And how do you know that is how god does things? If it's not a choice then that doesn't make god look good. If god provided the evidence I'd happily believe, just like how I'd believe in ghosts or big foot if any evidence was provided of their existence. But there's also a difference between believing and worshipping or following them. But if god does exist and wants me to know that they exist then my lack of belief is entirely their fault, just luke how it's not the person you like at work fault for not liking you back if you never speak to them or let them know that you exist.
@Talk-jn7xo You haven't even addressed anything he's said let alone debunked anything. He asked you if people who haven't heard of the bible still go to heaven and if the answer is yes, why spread the gospel if it actively reduces the chances of people getting into heaven? Isn't that contradictory and paradoxical?
@@Stopbeingfoolish Hmm, interesting. Depending on how you arrange the 1s and 0s, you get: 111110 = 62 111101 = 61 111011 = 59 110111 = 55 101111 = 47 Damn! I was hoping we'd find 42.
If a disembodied entity appeared before me and said "I'm a teapot! I'm a teapot! I'm a teapot!" I'd go and get my head read. A check-up from the neck up. If anyone meets a god, and it tells them personally the theology of Christianity, then I'd recommend they do the same. It's about the most insane idea around.
Try to look at it this way, there is I AM...and to mock the Almighty condemns those who created this bullshit to HELL....science dictates that Man can now create a one celled organism therefore if you extrapolate that into all that is, coupled with the fact that there is a Golden ratio...th-cam.com/video/4VrcO6JaMrM/w-d-xo.html which, if you look at the fact that there is math involved anyone can clearly come to the healthy conclusion that there is Intelligent Design...AKA GOD, YAHWEH, CHRIST.....MERRY CHRISTMAS.....I HOPE I PAST THE TEST LORD.....if there is anything else I can do to prove to these people that you do in fact exist help me type it ...I am your instrument ......YEAH, HERE'S ONE FOR YOU.....BLESSED ARE THOSE WHO DON'T SEE AND YET BELIEVE,....THERE IS ALSO FRACTALS IN NATURE,....THEY DIDN'T JUST COME UP OUT OF THE PRIMEVAL SWAMP AND DECIDE TO CONFORM TO SCIENCE AND MATHEMATICAL EQUATIONS...WTF!!!
+Anthony Mercadante Only if you are childhood brainwashed with fear to believe in bullshit in the first place. Your religious brainwashing has made you a gullible moron.
+Anthony Mercadante Look, I don't think anyone argues that there are truly amazing things in the universe. The laws of physics and mathematics that from the basics work without fail, logic and life, and much of the natural construction and of the beauty of much of the world. These are truly marvelous things -- the existence of life itself here is like a miracle. But! For all that there are perfect and well-ordered things that exist beyond human knowledge and comprehension in the natural world, we also know of the far greater number of imperfections. The male reproductive system is designed to enable a single male to impregnate hundreds of thousands if not millions of women a day, yet it is sinful to waste seed, have sex before marriage, or for a man to have sex with anyone other than his wife. Yet this is all by some intelligent design. All right. What about the natural tendency towards entropy? You can clean your house and it will get dirty again without you even trying to dirty it again. An untended garden or abandoned house will continue to be reclaimed by the wild nature from which it came. And evolution favors the positive mutations that enable reproductions of a species, this is known -- but what is often overlooked is that a great many malignant mutations occur as well that will doom the creatures at hand. The chance that a man falls into a radioactive toxic waste vat and emerges with any super-abilities is a statistically much lower chance than winning the lottery, by several magnitudes. Evolution doesn't appear to be intelligently guided at all -- it's purely based on luck. And what about quantum physics and mathematics? Some equations that haven't been disproven seem to insinuate that a particle can physically be in more than one place at once, a concept which in itself makes almost no sense at all. And the realm of quantum physics spreads far greater than the knowledge we have of all of our accumulated science and math. For every thing you can find that seems truly amazing as a sign of some greater divine law and order, you find so much more with natures that are inherently chaotic! But Christians ignore the chaotic part. They want to cherry-pick and defend their religion by pointing to all of the good things that happen, while dismissing the obviously more morally reprehensible sections of their Bible. But they have to realize that if their creator God truly is responsible for the creation of everything and is omnipotent and omniscient and whichever else, that that God is just as responsible for the bad things that happen as the good! Yeah, yeah, sure, there's the Devil... But God created the Devil and he didn't have to do that... He didn't have to put evil around... But that's not a rabbit hole I feel like going down today. When a plane crashes with 200 people in it and 199 of them die and 1 baby survives, Christians will say hallelujah and praise their God to be responsible for saving the miracle child that lives through the crash. Does it occur to no one that God could have prevented the whole crash in the first place? And that if he chose not to, and deliberately killed off 199 people, that constitutes a tragedy and an act of violence? Why would a loving God command the vast majority of things he's stated to command? People are really just thanking the tyrant they fear for sparing someone from his wrath rather than just killing everyone. And as a reward for believing in God and doing as God commands, you get to go to a place where you can keep serving God in this capacity forever. Because it's supposed to be an honor. You're rewarded for your worship by getting to worship and do more work once you're dead, or you're punished with a lake of fire. An intelligent designer apparently made something this convoluted and unfair sounding because he loves us... uh huh... Anyways. My point is that there are many things you can point to that are NOT intelligently designed at all as well wherever you go. If there is in fact a God that created everything, he is just as responsible for the shitty designs as he is for the brilliant ones. And why would he have shitty designs in the first place if he's omniscient? You can easily arrive at all sorts of paradoxes with God in this manner.
That's the Muslim theology as well, and the Jewish one. Basically if you can find an equivalent to a church (place of worship), a bible (texts written by "god" or god like figure), and a priest (the one benefitting from the power they have) they're all as bad as each other.
This video came out just 3 years after the beginning of TH-cam. True history here and thank you for making this content for us to see a decade and a half later! I rewatch these a few times a year and they never get old
It's grace. We're all so shit that we don't even deserve hell. Yet we receive it freely. I'm so grateful that God wouldn't send me somewhere worse. I think I'll become a worshipful believer.
@@Bojan12 Sounds really fair. Truly, a superb way of running things from an all knowing being. Lol Some person definitely didn’t just make all this up!
@@Bojan12 bruh, I just wouldn’t be going around calling it “sin” like a Bible thumper. It just is what it is. Humans being humans. We have natural drives that can make us do some perceived antisocial stuff, but they are also responsible for the perceived good things. Also, more on point of your original comment. It would not be fair to have someone else’s sin affect a person in such a way that they themselves sin and make themselves go to hell. Not a perfect system. It’s just bad design. But hey, thank god that he sent himself be a sacrifice to himself to appease his own anger towards us. Lol What “just” god would accept a sacrifice of somebody who allegedly was pure. Also, what is the freaking point of all of it? It’s pointless. Life makes more sense when evolution is the lens you use to view the world. So yes, religion is just people making stuff up.
"You can't just choose to believe something." Why don't more people get that? If I am not supposed to lie, I shouldn't lie to myself about what I can't believe.
ROY Markovik just being an atheist means you don't believe ONE thing it's what else that you value that makes you crazy or not, but not believing definitely gives you one less crazy point, we are here with you. i'm in the same boat and surrounded by christian family friends and others
Wow! Whenever I feel like I have good ideas to share, I just go back and watch an old NSC video, and it puts me right in my place. You're the absolute boss of TH-cam!
It depends on social environment, raising, education, mental state. If a thought is planted so deep in your mind, your brain will lie to yourself, to keep that true. The brain can drive us to the most irrational behaviour, when we are too convinced of a thought. Even the most intelligent among us can fall for this, sadly.
Impossible? Bruh i used to watch such a video like this before from this channel,darkmatter25, etc. Im almost become an atheist, but im not anymore, you got to watch cross examined vid, he was likely answered all question this channel asked to theist.
My 6 year-old daughter tapped on this and listened to it happily. Thanks for the very direct, truthful RE class. This is much more effective than a PC RE school class. We had a chat about it. I don't think she's signing up to Christianity.
This is a late reply, and you don’t care but whatever. I feel like it gives more of a raw feeling, the fact that this strangely drawn ms paint thing is presenting such truth
I had to deconstruct my whole life in order to escape an abusive, cultish family, but I thought my faith would continue on untouched. An unexpected side-effect was that I was no longer able to passively accept what I'd always been taught. Once I turned the same analysis and reason on the church, the bible, and faith in general, it too fell apart at the seams.
And if you'd been born longer time ago when everyone was christian, you would probably wind up going to church anyways somewhere else and getting it reinforced. Today we have the luxury of being able to not have to go to church all the time. The problem is, now these people are basically abandoned and natural selection will reinforce the tendency to shut down logical thinking. And I'll just be more and more and more of them and they'll vote. I don't have a solution. Sorry
I miss the old TH-cam and I miss these kick-ass videos. It's been almost 10 years now. I've seen this one at least 20 times. It's just so brilliant and entertaining.
@LogiPlush What Adam and Eve did was make it inevitable that no matter what I did, no matter how good my intentions, I was destined for hell. "Sin entered the world through one man,..." "All have sinned and fall short of the glory of god,...." So according to scripture, if not for A & E, with my own free will completely in tact, I might have stood a chance. I might have resisted the temptation of the talking snake. Thus, my point stands.
Don't even try to touch Muslims. They'd do death threat if you do the most despicable, unforgivable sin of all: draw a face for Muhammad or Allah. Criticize Christianity and Christians respond with love at best, or disdain at worst. Criticize Islam and Muslims retaliate with hate at best and violance at worst.
Try to look at it this way, there is I AM...and to mock the Almighty condemns those who created this bullshit to HELL....science dictates that Man can now create a one celled organism therefore if you extrapolate that into all that is, coupled with the fact that there is a Golden ratio...th-cam.com/video/4VrcO6JaMrM/w-d-xo.html which, if you look at the fact that there is math involved anyone can clearly come to the healthy conclusion that there is Intelligent Design...AKA GOD, YAHWEH, CHRIST.....MERRY CHRISTMAS.....I HOPE I PAST THE TEST LORD.....if there is anything else I can do to prove to these people that you do in fact exist help me type it ...I am your instrument ......YEAH, HERE'S ONE FOR YOU.....BLESSED ARE THOSE WHO DON'T SEE AND YET BELIEVE,....THERE IS ALSO FRACTALS IN NATURE,....THEY DIDN'T JUST COME UP OUT OF THE PRIMEVAL SWAMP AND DECIDE TO CONFORM TO SCIENCE AND MATHEMATICAL EQUATIONS...WTF!!!
Tony. What you've posted here holds no water at all. But let's give you the benefit of the doubt and say that there is undeniable proof of ID? What proves it to be Yahweh? Why not Zeus? Vishnu? Allah? What makes the bible true over say greek legend? The Quran?
There is a big possibility that Allah and Yahweh is the same guy, I mean Quran has so many similarities with the bible, that is not so hard to assume Yahweh and Allah are the same.. And the Christ is really not the same guy as Yahweh that is bullshit, no word indicates in the original languages even Yahweh is not mentioned in the New Testament.. Although the Jesus story is probably made up and also note that the bible doesn't really say Yahweh is the supposed creator of the Universe, it was Elohim if you look to hebrew, Elohim meaning GOD (s) Yahweh is always translated as ''the LORD'' not as God.. so..
The fact of the matter is this: Most people don't have a choice in what they will believe in. Most people grow up in churches and into certain religions. They develop the same belief system as their parents due to not being able to make that choice for themselves. Because this belief system poisons their minds, their critical thinking, logic, and rationalism suffer as a result of blind faith. Then once they are challenged on their faith, they use the same answers and word play that they were taught to use by people who believe the same thing. Most religious people don't even pick their book up to read it. And when they do, they only read the "good" parts and not the bad parts. They read the same chapters and verses over and over again instead of the ones that actually expose theit religion. Sin according to their bible and their own logic is disobedience to this deity yahweh right? It's a choice that's neither right nor wrong. Yes we all have consequences to our actions, but just because something has a bad consequesnce doesn't mean that the action is wrong. The consequence for being in the army is that you can die. That's a bad consequence for a choice that is neither right nor wrong. If I tell my kid not to jump out into the street when a car comes by, I'm going to make sure he doesn't do it because he will die right in front of me and that will make me responsible. Not him. So if i save him, i can't punish him because he didn't listen. If i tell my kid that he has a choice of whether or not he wants to eat his veggies, and i give good and bad consequences to a neutral choice, then that negates the point of giving a free choice. You can't give good or bad consequences to a neutral choice. "Worship me and go to heaven. Don't worship me and go to hell." "Believe in me and go to heaven. Don't believe in me and go to hell". So basically what religious people argue is that it is morally wrong to not believe in something and give it worship. That's according to their own logic. So basically they admit that they see non belief as morally wrong, thus making the bad consequences that come with it just and reasonable. But how do you believe that something is morally wrong when it doesn't cause chaos? It's not a violent decision that is detrimental in any way, shape, or form. And people who believe in a "god" as the only one true "god", then they are mentally delusional and need mental evaluations.
This should be the first video kids see before Sunday indoctrination, em I mean school starts! Set aside all arguments about science, evolution, etc. Simple common sense can prove to anyone with an open mind that gods are man made. But unfortunately most people of faith seem to have shut down this part of their brains.
It's a hell of a hallucination.... let's give them credit for that at least. Just do regular drugs instead, that way you can go back to reality the next day.
I feel you, Indonesia doesn't recognise Atheism or Agnosticism and although I've come out about it to most of the people I know, I still feel very strongly about how it will never be recognised, even my mother acts like it's just a phase.
Hey internet people I have been avoiding talking about religion with my fam my mom knows I am an atheist but should I try to explain why religion is dumb or just let them think I am the idiot “cherrypicker “ I don’t want to interfere with their hope of heaven because it makes them feel better
@@Incursio214 I'm in a similar situation. My parents aren't heavily religious but they do believe in a god and used to attend church. I'd love to convince them otherwise but they're overly comfortable with English, and I wouldn't be able to argue in Polish.
@LogiPlush A girl rammed the rear end of my car, once. We got out, had a look, there was minor damage.... But I couldn't give a damn. I just told her to not worry about it. She insisted on giving me her insurance details, I said don't bother. Should I have demanded compensation? I once stole chocolate from a convenience store. Should I go to jail for 35 years, or burn in agonizing torture eternally? Or something else?
Just stumbled upon your channel today. It's amazing how you explain the exact thoughts I've been having for years in such a concise, detailed, and logical way. Been a Christian most my life and just recently realized that if God is real, he is the most evil and horrific entity to ever exist, and now that I've made that realization, there's no way I'm ever going to willingly love him. So I guess I don't have to worship him on my knees for eternity anymore lol
Yes the channel is going through a big boost today for no reason. The algorithm gods are smiling on me. Yep, no point in loving an unpleasant god that doesn't exist. I hope this isn't the first of my vids you landed on. It's one of the shittest!
@@NonStampCollector After 15 years this absolute chad responds to a comment within an hour. Amazing. And it makes more sense to believe in algorithm gods than all the others haha. This is the second video I've seen of yours, and after watching the first (Quiz Show: Bible Contradictions) I decided to start binging all your videos in order lol. The animation obviously isn't as good, but I watch the videos for the intricate and completely logical way you structure your points, and this one isn't bad by any measure.
@@amogelangthabangmatlala9139 I'm doing well, just trying to gather the courage to tell my family about what I've been thinking. It's hard knowing that the majority of my relationships are going to change drastically and for the worse.
NonStampCollector is the best at pointing out the absurdities of religion in the best way possible: humor! If someone or something is funny simply by telling the truth, that is the best way to illustrate the flaws. The idea of sacrificing oneself TO oneself to atone for a "crime" supposedly committed by a person's ancestors is completely bonkers! I ESPECIALLY like it how NonStampCollector points out how impossible it is to believe something based on no evidence whatsoever. I couldn't believe in God if I tried! So, the idea is that I end up in Hell because I COULDN'T force myself to believe in Zeus... I mean God? Charming.
Except it wasn't for 'one's appeasement but for the redemption from the sin of one's creation. Plus, the crime that's committed by the ancestors isn't the crime you're judged on bc everyone has sinned. We also gave up on giving evidence when skeptics couldn't accept a reality in which God existed and dismissed everything. Also, you're mixing up paganism with monotheism, Zeus is presented as fiction and has a specific purpose and God isn't fitted to one specific purpose i.e he's not exclusively the God of the sky.
4:26 Yeah, I never understood why God couldn't just forgive people from the start. Or just decide to forgive them, rather than go through that whole Jesus arc... Especially if he knows of the future.
@@nuclearnadal3116 Now now, the Quran is actually just as ridiculous. The Bible has such confusing Instances as: - No one can see Yahweh, but also prophets have seen Yahweh, such as Abraham. - Yahweh killed all sin in a great flood, then sacrificed himself to himself to kill all sin again after the great flood - Yahweh kicked out Adam and Eve for eating the apple of the knowledge of what is good and evil because it was "wrong", even though Adam and Eve didn't know what was right and wrong until they are the apple.
@@chinggiskhan6678 I love that last bit about Adam and eve. Imagine setting out a banquet of food for your children, only there is a juice box full of poison. "Don't drink the juice!" You say as you walk away and close the door behind you. Excellent parenting 😂
I discovered this channel maybe 4-5 years ago but haven't been back for the last few years until again recently. Not only the content but something about the rudimentary stick figure animation just tickles me too. I wouldn't change a thing as far as that's concerned.
Yep. Why was a human sacrifice necessary? Why could an all powerful, all knowing god who had a need to appease his own anger by sacrificing himself to himself not just simply forgive? There is no apparent reason why he couldn't or wouldn't. Yes, there are many convoluted theological attempts to demonstrate a good reason why Jesus had to die, but they seem very much like grasping at straws and special pleading.
That'd if you misconstrued his sacrifice on the cross as what you have just laid it out to be. It proves him putting himself at the line and putting his creation before himself.
@@enterkramer Christianity is full of those double standards. We are also instructed by Jesus to feed the hungry, but when atheists bring up how many natural disasters result in the starvation of countless people, Christians don't see anything wrong with God allowing that, even though he could fix the problem in less than a second.
I never understood this. God supposedly created us with free will, but then he looms eternal torture over everyone like that somehow gives us a choice. And say if God is real and all us atheists do go to hell, it was because of ignorance not because we were malevolent against him. At least if he came down and made it a 100 percent clear that he was real, then we would be at fault for disobeying him... wtf is this logic.
Different times 100's of years ago. People were burnt alive for not believing in god. Religion used as a power to start wars and crusades. And these forced traditions have stayed with us to this day. We should all know better in this day and age.
For most of the duration of the universe, the molecules currently in my body will be, and will have been, swirling around in space. I rather like that.
Or when rich celebrities take time out of their busy lives to do a charity event where they tell everyone else to donate less collectively than they made in a year or will make off the publicity of the charity event.
@LogiPlush Well I hear you, and I've heard that before, but I reject it on its face. He came back, and always knew that he'd come back, so that's nothing compared to the sacrifice of people who know they won't. And anyway - if this god determines that it is satiated by the experience of awful SUFFERING, if that's the currency that it deals in, then that's its own silly fault, and I'm not going to be impressed that it wanted suffering, & then went through it so as to ultimately make itself happy.
Who ever wrote that god doesn't send people to hell, they chose to go there has not read their bible very closely. In most every scripture in the New Testament that talks about people going to hell, it is explicit that god sends them. Matt. 10:28 makes it clear that god casts people in. Read Jesus' parables about weeping and gnashing of teeth in the outer darkness. In these parables, god judges people and has his servants cast people into this outer darkness. Read Revelation about the final judgment, people are cast into the lake of fire, not jumping in. Nice job trying to get your god off the hook, but your bible disagrees with you.
Its not there sin that we get punished for its ours. "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" here is a example of why God cant just forgive everyone. If me and you were involved in a court case where a school shooter comes in our children's class room and kills them. All of its on video and the person who committed the crime has admitted and at the sentencing the judge just says, well, free to go have a nice day! What! We would be outraged and thus have a real reason to hate that judge. But if the Perfect judge of all the universe doesn't he's a monster. That's why Jesus had to die. he took our punishment on himself and it was okay for God to acquit him after he took our punishment, because he was innocent and still allowing his judgement to be Perfect
chase tharington Yes, we would be outraged at a criminal like that being let go with no justice, yet that is exactly what Christianity offers. Even the worst child rapist and murder can merely repent (sincerely intend never to do it again) and believe the right things about Jesus, and he faces no punishment for his crime. It is outrageous. On the flip side, another person who's worst offense in his life was stealing a package of bubble gum, even though he felt remorse, will burn in hell for all eternity because he never believed the right things about Jesus. This is not justice my friend. Any system that rewards and punishes not based on actions but on belief is definitively unjust.
chase tharington Also, justice is fitting the punishment to the crime. Eternal conscious burning in hell for just ANY sin is not justice. God sends people to hell for all eternity for limited and finite crimes in a comparatively short life. This is the epitome of disproportionate punishment and injustice to the point that it is cruel. If your child "sinned" against you, no matter how bad the offense, you will likely punish him, but you wouldn't build a fire pit and roast him in it forever because he never "repented."
Tim Richardson also, punishing an innocent person, even if that person is the judge, for someone else's crime is not justice either. It is injustice twice! Once for not appropriately sentencing the guilty party, and again for punishing an innocent person. This is called scapegoating, and there is nothing just about it because it removes responsibility from the guilty person and puts in on an innocent. If the goal of justice is rehabilitation and changing people for the better, which it is, then the Christian system is not it. It circumvents justice and allows people to never take ultimate responsibility for their actions. You say we would be outraged at a judge who would let such a guilty person go free. Yes! Yes we would! But Christianity teaches that god does that very thing.
NSC has the most brilliant sarcasm that I ever witnessed. You know, with a few minor tweaks, this video can be shown in church, and will gather much applause because they will agree with Yhwh's logical explanation of everything.
Exactly that’s why hell exist. God isn’t going to force you to live with him for eternity. As you’ve said. You’d rather go to hell. It’s a shame that people think that place will actually be nice.
Gamma noone think it’s going to be nice if it exist, but it’s still better than eternal life with arrogant, narcisstic, blood thirsty, killing, war hungry and stupid god.
An Atheist well then you should really re-read the New Testament, because all those names you attributed to God clearly doesn’t show in his life on earth as a human. He never acted as such, and I’m assuming your taking all the Old Testament as your source for that. Well I think it’s pretty obvious, that most people are ignorant to know what he meant/intended. When you ever come to the conclusion he was “evil”. Also in order to bring Jesus to earth, and get what he needed done to save humanity. He chose to act accordingly in the OT. We don’t know if there was a way that was more obvious, and less destructive as to which he could have acted, but I think we can conclude that he got his mission done so far.
An Atheist It might be good to quit feeding the troll. He can’t know what our lives have been like. Like most believers he thinks the Scriptures are stronger evidence than our personal objective experience.
Gamma I don’t care about new testament. If christianits didn’t have to kill religious people except christians, christianity would go extinct. after christians had enough power to rule against enough people (plus their kids who were raised to be strict christians, which helped them to make christianity dominant religion, and BTW Islam does the same and look at how fast the religipn grow) THEN they wrote new testament which is nicer and kinder.
I like how you point out that heaven isn't all it's cracked up to be either. All we're promised is to be able to sing God's praises for all of time. Being allowed to do this all the time is somehow the best reward. Idk about you but I got plenty of singing the praises out of my system in church as a kid...
the perfect book with many lessons on hate intolerance greed lust rape slavery subjugation of females ...... and bad temper trantrums and domestic violence against the people
You tell that to a christian and he'll be like "Ah tet tet tet, that was the OLD testament. The new testament doesn't have that". And then you recall that it starts with a guy getting nailed to a cross and spending 3 days in hell and you say "Yeaaaaaaah...right" and then you drop the subject and leave before the madman before you starts getting violent.
@@since1876 If by doing the mental gymnastics involved by explaining the context and what the verses mean, and how they aren't a contradictions, then you'd be right, I guess.
@@liam6033 but the new treatment says the entire book is written by god and needs to be obeyed. Meaning ALL of it. So are we allowed to eat shell fish or not? Please note, that's not a question I'm asking. I truly don't give a shit what the bible says about shell fish. Or anything else, for that matter.
Unconditional love with a whole book written with all the conditions for receiving that love, and we have "free will" to choose with as well with just 2 choices wow how great is he.
Imagine if I ate an apple from a random man's plot of land, and he cloned himself and then killed that clone instead of calling the cops and having me imprisoned for theft. Then he insisted all of my future progeny worship him every day of their lives, to stave off being imprisoned for that one act of theft which I alone committed. And THEN, outside of that, idiots from all over the world would put together the argument I just made, only to respond, "durrr something from nothing herp derp" as if that specifically proves the single religion I just proved to be nonsensical, Christianity, is correct as opposed to mere deism. That's the world we've live in for two millennia. Fuck.
the ad that came up before your video was of this christian movie, "The Messiah". interesting isn't it. maybe its a sign😱 a sign from the magical ghost man in the clouds. i'm S H O O K !!!
***** Well, it's nice of you to say so. However, I'm afraid I'd underwhelm. I'd strongly suggest being satisfied upon merely being whelmed, if it ever happens.
Most TH-camrs are embarrassed of their first videos because they are bad or cringey but while this doesn’t have the same polish of your later videos it’s just as good
"I will choose to believe in Christianity, because otherwise I believe I will burn in Hell" This is so circular (and even contrary to the moral teachings of Christianity itself, I mean, praising God out of your own self-interest is literally flattery).
Yet that’s exactly what priests and apologists say to people. Basically it all comes down to the simplified phrase “believe in Jesus or else...” It doesn’t matter if you’re doing good things because you’re afraid of hell or want to get to heaven - it still makes you an insincere and rather unpleasant person. The same goes for those that go to churches for the same reason...
This might have been your first video, but it is one of your best. A great summary of the absurdity of religion. I hope you are still producing these videos. I have shown Noah's Ark Part 1 to a bunch of people, and they invariably role on the floor. I first watched it at a restaurant and was laughing out loud. Keep up the great work!
My nephew sent a pic of a fortune cookie note years ago with something like this: "the god you are worshiping is not who you think it is" He knew I was questioning things and he said that I was writing the notes. It was quite funny.
Before this video, I got an ad for a *_”rational, scientific, doctor_* Mormon man!” who became a Mormon because he thought it’d be a good idea to make him happy... “rational”...
I sent this video to a church girl I was dating and she got so mad and broke up with me. I really don’t care. I have made it my life’s mission to educate everyone who associates with me. You can’t be a smart hardworking person but u still believe there’s someone in the sky pulling strings and letting little kids die of cancer.
The problem is, she votes. From her perspective, the logical fallacy that you committed was the ad hominem. You tried to make fun, but it's not fun when you're the butt of the joke. This video is pretty good at asking questions instead of making statements, but it's no substitute for in person talking. When she started getting upset watching this video, it didn't stop and ask what was wrong. It kept going. If it was you, you might have empathized with her and backed off a little bit and let her stew. Sometimes these ideas take a while to click, and we have to be patient. I'm really trying to say as I'm sorry she broke up with you and she's probably going to go vote Republican
God purchased forgiveness by himself, from himself, and using himself as the currency to pay himself. Perfectly logical.
Dave Robson yes lol
So why don't u read Quran since there is nothing like this logic in Quran
@Buddy3439 actually not did u read it?
Kazi Mahmudur Rahman doesn’t Muhammad raise into the sky on a fiery chariot or horse?
@@bottosrob By holding the ankle of a flying horse. He also split the moon in half. It is the Bible that the guy rode to heaven in a chariot lol. I'm pretty sure at least.
Edit: It does not say ankle in the Quran or Hadith, so I have no clue where I got that from. Still doesn't make it any more believable though.
The existence of such an entity would be a far greater horror than every Cthullhu mythos. Just imagine: An omnipotent, all mighty diety, suffering from a psychosis and schizophrenia, having a lust for murder, suffering and pain. Torn apart between its different alter egos. Oscilating between endless cruelty and endless love.
It is always there, everywhere. A constant factor in space and time and beyond. Neverending, unforgiving. You can't stop it. You will suffer if you deny it. And all of atheists and all the lack of evidence is just his plot to make you deny it, so he can torture you for ever.
This is just grim.
If there's any love in such a being, his behavior demonstrates that he is far from omnipotent, IMO.
Putting it that way just makes YHWH sound really cool now!
My favorite horror entity!
very good analysis
What? Take a look at the world condition and tell me god is not real!
Okay, looking... God is not real.
God sacrificed God to God to save God's creations from God.
Yea that's about it... But keep this in mind... These people are not mentally stable... Indoctrination can be incredibly damaging...
Legion1a Thank god
😳
*self harm is bad*
If you had a kid playing with insects like that, you’d have him seen by a psychiatrist! Religion knows that most people are self centered and they’ll eat bs up if they think it’s all about them! Humans are bound to extinction!
I'm tired of being made to feel guilty just for being born.
Of course you are guilty: you are white, so its your fault that there was black slavery, you are men, so its your fault that women in Muslim countries suffer, you are Christian, so its your fault that there were crusades 1000 years ago, you are Jew so its your fault that Jesus died, you are human, so its your fault that Eve eat apple from tree. You are mammal, so its your fault that dinosaurs went extinct. You live on earth, so you should be thankful that the star that was here before sun exploded and created materials in your body.
@@karelkrajicek6607 I assume you're being facetious.
This was why I was so happy when my Mum became an atheist at age 60.
She had suffered SO MUCH at the hands of the Catholic church, being caned by nuns, threatened with Hell....
Atheism was my first step towards emotional freedom.
Christianity is not the only religion now where you must appologize
@@karelkrajicek6607 That was funny!!!
My christian pastor talked all kinds of shit about my former religion (LDS). Then I applied the same scrutiny to christianity. It became clear that BS comes in any flavor you want. Glad to have my life back after 40 years of mental bondage.
Jesus, 40 years? How hard was it to break out of old ways of thinking?
Happy for you mate! Enjoy the rest of your life!
Good for you. I used to attend a "spiritual warfare" church. They talked as much about Satan as Jesus. I walked away from fundamentalist Christianity in my mid-30s. What a burden off my back. I returned to God in my mid-50s, but as a mystic. Totally different flavor. Delicious. Filling. And life-changing. And free of guilt, shame, and condemnation.
@@MysticManifesting Mystic? Do you believe in fairy magic? Come on, reality is far more interesting, just look what science has discovered and will continue to discover about the universe you and I live in. Think about it, we are one of the only known ways in which the universe is observing and understanding itself. Every single atom in your body was once inside a star that went supernova. We are literally star dust.
No need to bring in a god to the equation - also, by spreading your beliefs in such a god, you are effectively adding to the numbers of stupid, ignorant, homophobic religious people out there, regardless of whether or not you believe that stuff, so you should still feel guilt unless you have proof to back up your belief.
@@freshairkaboom8171 You don't know what I believe, so you should stick to writing about your own experience and leave mine alone.
This perfectly articulates the rage that's been boiling up from inside me for the past three years. My dad is a pastor in one of the few christian sects that actually believes the whole bible verbatim, my whole family still professes christianity, but I just can't do it anymore. The entire system is a fucking nightmare.
It makes me so angry that otherwise rational and sane people choose to believe in such a nonsensical system and actually praise the god of that system as some sort of merciful and just being when, if he existed, his maturity wouldn't be very far beyond that of a human toddler.
No hun, you have to just let them be. Dont let them detract from the happiness you can have with this new freedom. Let them know where you stand,.tell them its non-negotiable and go be happy. Dont allow anyone to steal your joy.
It's been about 10 yrs for me....it will get better
@@deesalmon9632 love that idea! It may only be temporary but at least it's fun 😂
If they believe in the Bible in a literal sense, then how do they deal with the contradictions? I bet there are lots of verses you could have them questioning themselves with.
I feel the exact same way. My husband is a complete Bible-Thumper and he likes to get this: get drunk every night and start arguments with me that usually begin with “The Bible says...” and ends with me either taking a walk or popping in a pair of headphones until he finally passes out! It’s utterly RIDICULOUS! Great man otherwise.... takes great care of me and our home, is adventurous and a lot of fun.... I think the whole Bible thing is just because he knows it presses my buttons, but I hardly think that any of his fellow Christians think it’s appropriate to get sh!tfaced and then use the Bible as a way to start senseless arguments! UGH!!! God, help me!!! Lol
@@alukuhito contradictions in the Bible don’t make them confused. The average atheist is far more literate in actual biblical knowledge than the average Christian. These people go into church on Sunday/flip on their Bible study on their tv or phone and listen to a preacher/worship leader give them anecdotes of christians, cute little Bible stories, and inspirational lectures. They never flip through a Bible long enough or with enough attentiveness to actually 1.) find out about the contradictions and mandated killings in the Bible and 2.) even if they found it, their explanation of why it’s in there and what it means is skewed by church leaders. “It’s out of context” or “it was a different time with different objective morality” no matter if they have scriptural or real world evidence or not.
"Haven't you read my book?"
Most people in history: "I can't read."
@Talk-jn7xo that's true according to modern Christian theology but the Bible never makes any clause for those who don't believe and have never heard or babies and children, just the blanket statement that the only way to avoid hell is believing in Jesus. The idea that those who never heard about the right god automatically get a free pass is one of the many things Christianity has added to what they claim is the perfect word of god, because it's the 9nly way the system isn't completely immoral and ridiculous, although it does kind of make the concept of evangelism and spreading the religion completely self defeating, and also jesus in general.
@Talk-jn7xo context shows that he is specifically speaking to the pharisees, not everyone in general. But even if he wasn't that would then contradict the bible when it says that the only way the heaven is through Jesus, therefore belief in Jesus, as was told to everyone in general, is required.
Except what I said does make sense. If not knowing means that people can get into heaven then why tell anyone about God? Why spread the message of Jesus? If people don't know then they get in and if they do know but aren't convinced then they go to hell. If it works how you say then the best option would be for Christians to never tell people about Jesus.
Maybe what I said isn't the thing that doesn't make sense but instead the ridiculous requirement to get into heaven, which isn't based on what people do or why they do it but whether or not they've heard a story and accepted it without evidence that doesn't make any sense.
Also I'm as scared of ending up in hell as I am of bad afterlifes of every other religion. And if a God does turn out to exist and it is the Christian god and I do meet them and they do ask me why (even though they're all knowing so they don't need to ask anything, although that also ruins free will) then I'll say that I didn't believe in them for the same reason I don't believe in any other God or ghosts or magic or psychics or that crystals can heal or alien abductions or that the earth is flat and if God wanted me to believe and is all knowing and all powerful then they could have easily convinced me and I would have believed, so the fault there is with him, instead God chose to give exactly the same evidence as every other religion in history.
@Talk-jn7xo right, so if you take the view that those who don't know about god still go to heaven (despite the few verses not really proving that and being contradicted by the whole point of Jesus being so that people can go to heaven through him and the bible saying that the 0nly way to heaven is through him) then the church and Christians telling people about god and Jesus and giving everyone bibles and knocking on their doors and yelling on the streets and trying to get their religion taught in schools alongside established facts, etc is making people go to hell and if they didn't do that then more people would end up in heaven. So on your argument it would be better if Christianity disappeared because then no one would go to hell for not blindly believing a crazy unproven story from a book of myths and fairytales that constantly gets history and science wrong. That is the logical conclusion to your argument.
Although if you're argument is correct I'm now baffled by the point of Jesus if people can just already go to heaven. What is the point of telling someone like me about Jesus? Apparently I was already going to heaven but now cause I've been told about Jesus and just won't believe any crazy story someone tells me, like ghosts, alien abductions, flat earth, anti vax, crystal healing, or what any other religion claims from their book of myths and fairytales, I'm now doomed to be tortured forever by an all loving god. It barely made any sense beforehand (god having to kill himself to stop himself from torturing people forever because of the rules he made knowing that they wouldn't be able to follow them but it 9nly works if they believe it), now the entire religion makes even less sense and has damned more people to hell than it has saved.
@Talk-jn7xo did i trigger you by pointing out that your argument makes the entire religion self defeating? Cause your response doesn't address my point.
So an all knowing and all powerful god can't convince everyone that they exist? Not a very impressive god, sounds more like one that doesn't exist or seems less capable than a regular person.
Most people who don't believe in god would probably believe if god just appeared and said hi I exist, yet instead god decides to play the longest game of hid3 and seek while getting annoyed at people not believing in them, like some kind of stalker.
Or is it a no free will thing (which can't exist if god is all knowing), do the people who god knows won't believe have any choice in the matter? How does god determine that they wouldn't believe? And how do you know that is how god does things? If it's not a choice then that doesn't make god look good.
If god provided the evidence I'd happily believe, just like how I'd believe in ghosts or big foot if any evidence was provided of their existence. But there's also a difference between believing and worshipping or following them. But if god does exist and wants me to know that they exist then my lack of belief is entirely their fault, just luke how it's not the person you like at work fault for not liking you back if you never speak to them or let them know that you exist.
@Talk-jn7xo You haven't even addressed anything he's said let alone debunked anything.
He asked you if people who haven't heard of the bible still go to heaven and if the answer is yes, why spread the gospel if it actively reduces the chances of people getting into heaven?
Isn't that contradictory and paradoxical?
that stick figure has more Logic than most people i know
Cause it is drawn using 1s and 0s :)
@@Stopbeingfoolish Hmm, interesting. Depending on how you arrange the 1s and 0s, you get:
111110 = 62
111101 = 61
111011 = 59
110111 = 55
101111 = 47
Damn! I was hoping we'd find 42.
Clive Byrne LOL 👏👏🤣🤣
@@tastyloaf5487 101010 =42
😂😂😂😂😂😂
If a disembodied entity appeared before me and said "I'm a teapot! I'm a teapot! I'm a teapot!" I'd go and get my head read. A check-up from the neck up.
If anyone meets a god, and it tells them personally the theology of Christianity, then I'd recommend they do the same. It's about the most insane idea around.
even then, so what? It doesn't deserve mine or anyone's worship if it were real.
I forget who said it, but: "if you talk to god, that's fine. If god talks back, seek mental help".
I *fucking* love this channel.
Me too. The voices are amazing
Try to look at it this way, there is I AM...and to mock the Almighty condemns those who created this bullshit to HELL....science dictates that Man can now create a one celled organism therefore if you extrapolate that into all that is, coupled with the fact that there is a Golden ratio...th-cam.com/video/4VrcO6JaMrM/w-d-xo.html which, if you look at the fact that there is math involved anyone can clearly come to the healthy conclusion that there is Intelligent Design...AKA GOD, YAHWEH, CHRIST.....MERRY CHRISTMAS.....I HOPE I PAST THE TEST LORD.....if there is anything else I can do to prove to these people that you do in fact exist help me type it ...I am your instrument ......YEAH, HERE'S ONE FOR YOU.....BLESSED ARE THOSE WHO DON'T SEE AND YET BELIEVE,....THERE IS ALSO FRACTALS IN NATURE,....THEY DIDN'T JUST COME UP OUT OF THE PRIMEVAL SWAMP AND DECIDE TO CONFORM TO SCIENCE AND MATHEMATICAL EQUATIONS...WTF!!!
+Anthony Mercadante
Only if you are childhood brainwashed with fear to believe in bullshit in the first place.
Your religious brainwashing has made you a gullible moron.
+Anthony Mercadante Look, I don't think anyone argues that there are truly amazing things in the universe. The laws of physics and mathematics that from the basics work without fail, logic and life, and much of the natural construction and of the beauty of much of the world. These are truly marvelous things -- the existence of life itself here is like a miracle.
But! For all that there are perfect and well-ordered things that exist beyond human knowledge and comprehension in the natural world, we also know of the far greater number of imperfections.
The male reproductive system is designed to enable a single male to impregnate hundreds of thousands if not millions of women a day, yet it is sinful to waste seed, have sex before marriage, or for a man to have sex with anyone other than his wife. Yet this is all by some intelligent design. All right.
What about the natural tendency towards entropy? You can clean your house and it will get dirty again without you even trying to dirty it again. An untended garden or abandoned house will continue to be reclaimed by the wild nature from which it came. And evolution favors the positive mutations that enable reproductions of a species, this is known -- but what is often overlooked is that a great many malignant mutations occur as well that will doom the creatures at hand. The chance that a man falls into a radioactive toxic waste vat and emerges with any super-abilities is a statistically much lower chance than winning the lottery, by several magnitudes. Evolution doesn't appear to be intelligently guided at all -- it's purely based on luck. And what about quantum physics and mathematics? Some equations that haven't been disproven seem to insinuate that a particle can physically be in more than one place at once, a concept which in itself makes almost no sense at all. And the realm of quantum physics spreads far greater than the knowledge we have of all of our accumulated science and math.
For every thing you can find that seems truly amazing as a sign of some greater divine law and order, you find so much more with natures that are inherently chaotic! But Christians ignore the chaotic part. They want to cherry-pick and defend their religion by pointing to all of the good things that happen, while dismissing the obviously more morally reprehensible sections of their Bible. But they have to realize that if their creator God truly is responsible for the creation of everything and is omnipotent and omniscient and whichever else, that that God is just as responsible for the bad things that happen as the good! Yeah, yeah, sure, there's the Devil... But God created the Devil and he didn't have to do that... He didn't have to put evil around... But that's not a rabbit hole I feel like going down today.
When a plane crashes with 200 people in it and 199 of them die and 1 baby survives, Christians will say hallelujah and praise their God to be responsible for saving the miracle child that lives through the crash. Does it occur to no one that God could have prevented the whole crash in the first place? And that if he chose not to, and deliberately killed off 199 people, that constitutes a tragedy and an act of violence? Why would a loving God command the vast majority of things he's stated to command?
People are really just thanking the tyrant they fear for sparing someone from his wrath rather than just killing everyone. And as a reward for believing in God and doing as God commands, you get to go to a place where you can keep serving God in this capacity forever. Because it's supposed to be an honor. You're rewarded for your worship by getting to worship and do more work once you're dead, or you're punished with a lake of fire. An intelligent designer apparently made something this convoluted and unfair sounding because he loves us... uh huh...
Anyways. My point is that there are many things you can point to that are NOT intelligently designed at all as well wherever you go. If there is in fact a God that created everything, he is just as responsible for the shitty designs as he is for the brilliant ones. And why would he have shitty designs in the first place if he's omniscient? You can easily arrive at all sorts of paradoxes with God in this manner.
+1!!!
This is one of the most direct, lucid and correct summoning up of all the inconsistencies and insanities of the Christian theology. Bravo!
Titus yep
Cameron Fletcher I know what you mean!
That's the Muslim theology as well, and the Jewish one. Basically if you can find an equivalent to a church (place of worship), a bible (texts written by "god" or god like figure), and a priest (the one benefitting from the power they have) they're all as bad as each other.
Thank you for this clarity.
@OptimalOptimus50 Read them. There is ALWAYS a sacrifice.
This video came out just 3 years after the beginning of TH-cam. True history here and thank you for making this content for us to see a decade and a half later! I rewatch these a few times a year and they never get old
When I made this I never imagined there would be a second video.
@@NonStampCollectoryou're an actual legend for still replying to this day
Your videos are awesome, I've been watching them lately
@@giuseppeagresta1425that’s what I was thinking. 👍
to think this vid was made before i was born…..
@@createeel99damn thats wild
I’m so thankful that God gave us all the opportunity to go to hell, and we don’t even have to do anything. We were just born with that gift!
It's grace.
We're all so shit that we don't even deserve hell. Yet we receive it freely. I'm so grateful that God wouldn't send me somewhere worse. I think I'll become a worshipful believer.
None goes to Hell for other sins but their own however other sins will have impact on you
@@Bojan12 Sounds really fair. Truly, a superb way of running things from an all knowing being. Lol Some person definitely didn’t just make all this up!
@@benbenben123ben Nobody made it up. That is just how things works and if you have observed life you would see it
@@Bojan12 bruh, I just wouldn’t be going around calling it “sin” like a Bible thumper.
It just is what it is. Humans being humans. We have natural drives that can make us do some perceived antisocial stuff, but they are also responsible for the perceived good things.
Also, more on point of your original comment. It would not be fair to have someone else’s sin affect a person in such a way that they themselves sin and make themselves go to hell. Not a perfect system. It’s just bad design. But hey, thank god that he sent himself be a sacrifice to himself to appease his own anger towards us. Lol What “just” god would accept a sacrifice of somebody who allegedly was pure. Also, what is the freaking point of all of it? It’s pointless. Life makes more sense when evolution is the lens you use to view the world.
So yes, religion is just people making stuff up.
"You can't just choose to believe something." Why don't more people get that? If I am not supposed to lie, I shouldn't lie to myself about what I can't believe.
Carlos Castaneda true
dude everyone in my world thinks im crazy and evil for being an atheist :/
*hugs* =(
Not me bro. Stay strong.
ROY Markovik just being an atheist means you don't believe ONE thing
it's what else that you value that makes you crazy or not, but not believing definitely gives you one less crazy point, we are here with you. i'm in the same boat and surrounded by christian family friends and others
I think you're creating enemies in your mind that don't exist
Come to sweden
Wow! Whenever I feel like I have good ideas to share, I just go back and watch an old NSC video, and it puts me right in my place. You're the absolute boss of TH-cam!
Prophet of Zod The absolute boss is right! :D
The truth is spoken
You have some great stuff too! That said, NSC is simple and brilliant. A legend in this arena IMHO
I think it's impossible to watch all NonStampCollector videos and still believe in this stuff :)
Konrad G I enjoy the ones I've watched. Challenge can also confirm a position.
It depends on social environment, raising, education, mental state.
If a thought is planted so deep in your mind, your brain will lie to yourself, to keep that true.
The brain can drive us to the most irrational behaviour, when we are too convinced of a thought.
Even the most intelligent among us can fall for this, sadly.
Konrad G yes
Sheeple wont exist if speaking logic works for them.
Impossible? Bruh i used to watch such a video like this before from this channel,darkmatter25, etc. Im almost become an atheist, but im not anymore, you got to watch cross examined vid, he was likely answered all question this channel asked to theist.
Whosoever is behind this chanel, I LOVE YOU sooo much for promoting logic and common sense.
I like this channel cause I learn a lot of the bible
My 6 year-old daughter tapped on this and listened to it happily.
Thanks for the very direct, truthful RE class.
This is much more effective than a PC RE school class.
We had a chat about it.
I don't think she's signing up to Christianity.
Onya mate 👍
I actually prefer this style of animation. Simple, concise, yet gets the point across succinctly. 10/10
G. Reid meh
This is a late reply, and you don’t care but whatever. I feel like it gives more of a raw feeling, the fact that this strangely drawn ms paint thing is presenting such truth
@@oscarthemoon How do you know that person doesn't care? Also this is an even later reply. 😛
As always, your animation skills are like none other! A beautiful piece indeed. Keep up the great work.
😂
Lucas sux
I love these, but are you taking the piss??
I had to deconstruct my whole life in order to escape an abusive, cultish family, but I thought my faith would continue on untouched. An unexpected side-effect was that I was no longer able to passively accept what I'd always been taught. Once I turned the same analysis and reason on the church, the bible, and faith in general, it too fell apart at the seams.
And if you'd been born longer time ago when everyone was christian, you would probably wind up going to church anyways somewhere else and getting it reinforced. Today we have the luxury of being able to not have to go to church all the time.
The problem is, now these people are basically abandoned and natural selection will reinforce the tendency to shut down logical thinking. And I'll just be more and more and more of them and they'll vote.
I don't have a solution. Sorry
I thought this was pure genius. You said so many things I was planning to say in my videos that now I can just point people to your video instead.
I miss the old TH-cam and I miss these kick-ass videos. It's been almost 10 years now. I've seen this one at least 20 times. It's just so brilliant and entertaining.
NonStampCollector videos never get old - I'm re-watching the whole collection and they're still absolutely spot on!
I was raised as a fundamentalist Christian. This really made me laugh. Well done guys.
Wait like in a haha they are stupid or in a haha the comedy is really good kind of way
🤘🏼😈🤘🏼
@LogiPlush What Adam and Eve did was make it inevitable that no matter what I did, no matter how good my intentions, I was destined for hell. "Sin entered the world through one man,..." "All have sinned and fall short of the glory of god,...."
So according to scripture, if not for A & E, with my own free will completely in tact, I might have stood a chance. I might have resisted the temptation of the talking snake.
Thus, my point stands.
Nefaryus Drake no.
Hello, I am a muslim, I just want to know what is your point of view on islam.
Don't even try to touch Muslims. They'd do death threat if you do the most despicable, unforgivable sin of all: draw a face for Muhammad or Allah.
Criticize Christianity and Christians respond with love at best, or disdain at worst. Criticize Islam and Muslims retaliate with hate at best and violance at worst.
God designed the universe when he was depressed... and that is why he asked everyone to praise him, just to feel better.. :D
Try to look at it this way, there is I AM...and to mock the Almighty condemns those who created this bullshit to HELL....science dictates that Man can now create a one celled organism therefore if you extrapolate that into all that is, coupled with the fact that there is a Golden ratio...th-cam.com/video/4VrcO6JaMrM/w-d-xo.html which, if you look at the fact that there is math involved anyone can clearly come to the healthy conclusion that there is Intelligent Design...AKA GOD, YAHWEH, CHRIST.....MERRY CHRISTMAS.....I HOPE I PAST THE TEST LORD.....if there is anything else I can do to prove to these people that you do in fact exist help me type it ...I am your instrument ......YEAH, HERE'S ONE FOR YOU.....BLESSED ARE THOSE WHO DON'T SEE AND YET BELIEVE,....THERE IS ALSO FRACTALS IN NATURE,....THEY DIDN'T JUST COME UP OUT OF THE PRIMEVAL SWAMP AND DECIDE TO CONFORM TO SCIENCE AND MATHEMATICAL EQUATIONS...WTF!!!
Yahweh is not the real god get a grip.
Tony. What you've posted here holds no water at all. But let's give you the benefit of the doubt and say that there is undeniable proof of ID? What proves it to be Yahweh? Why not Zeus? Vishnu? Allah? What makes the bible true over say greek legend? The Quran?
There is a big possibility that Allah and Yahweh is the same guy, I mean Quran has so many similarities with the bible, that is not so hard to assume Yahweh and Allah are the same.. And the Christ is really not the same guy as Yahweh that is bullshit, no word indicates in the original languages even Yahweh is not mentioned in the New Testament.. Although the Jesus story is probably made up and also note that the bible doesn't really say Yahweh is the supposed creator of the Universe, it was Elohim if you look to hebrew, Elohim meaning GOD (s) Yahweh is always translated as ''the LORD'' not as God.. so..
Gaurav Sharma LOL
Years old but still priceless. The truth is timeless 👍
The fact of the matter is this: Most people don't have a choice in what they will believe in. Most people grow up in churches and into certain religions. They develop the same belief system as their parents due to not being able to make that choice for themselves. Because this belief system poisons their minds, their critical thinking, logic, and rationalism suffer as a result of blind faith. Then once they are challenged on their faith, they use the same answers and word play that they were taught to use by people who believe the same thing. Most religious people don't even pick their book up to read it. And when they do, they only read the "good" parts and not the bad parts. They read the same chapters and verses over and over again instead of the ones that actually expose theit religion. Sin according to their bible and their own logic is disobedience to this deity yahweh right? It's a choice that's neither right nor wrong. Yes we all have consequences to our actions, but just because something has a bad consequesnce doesn't mean that the action is wrong. The consequence for being in the army is that you can die. That's a bad consequence for a choice that is neither right nor wrong. If I tell my kid not to jump out into the street when a car comes by, I'm going to make sure he doesn't do it because he will die right in front of me and that will make me responsible. Not him. So if i save him, i can't punish him because he didn't listen. If i tell my kid that he has a choice of whether or not he wants to eat his veggies, and i give good and bad consequences to a neutral choice, then that negates the point of giving a free choice. You can't give good or bad consequences to a neutral choice. "Worship me and go to heaven. Don't worship me and go to hell." "Believe in me and go to heaven. Don't believe in me and go to hell". So basically what religious people argue is that it is morally wrong to not believe in something and give it worship. That's according to their own logic. So basically they admit that they see non belief as morally wrong, thus making the bad consequences that come with it just and reasonable. But how do you believe that something is morally wrong when it doesn't cause chaos? It's not a violent decision that is detrimental in any way, shape, or form. And people who believe in a "god" as the only one true "god", then they are mentally delusional and need mental evaluations.
Smart words by a smart man
I was born into a Muslim family and don't believe in it so I've been ridiculed by my family
...but appreciated by the rest of the world.
I believe that
A dog is a man's best friend.
Heh, reminded me of a lot of utterly bad analogies Christians would say.
This is gold. Thank you for making excellent content😊
Isn't it fairly common for abusers to say "I'm doing this because I love you"?
another thing they say is "you made me do it"
But Jesus is still the best abuser of all abusers on Earth that have ever existed and will exist!
They are narcissists ,No not at all.
For being your first video... I have watched this the most. Thanks for ALL the videos you make!
This should be the first video kids see before Sunday indoctrination, em I mean school starts! Set aside all arguments about science, evolution, etc. Simple common sense can prove to anyone with an open mind that gods are man made. But unfortunately most people of faith seem to have shut down this part of their brains.
Belief closes he mind to intellect and discernment.
You believe that steve?
It's a hell of a hallucination.... let's give them credit for that at least. Just do regular drugs instead, that way you can go back to reality the next day.
Blame hate.
Pretty good. Shows that religion is even more patently absurd than usually imagined!
At least mainstream Christianity anyway.
Imagine being an atheist in Nigeria. Of course I'm never coming out. But it's a life in the closet and it's not so cool.
I think if theists and atheists alike knew of the internal struggle for you they’d probably see all of this in another light.
It must be extremely hard.I hope you have beautiful and loving things in your life also.
I feel you, Indonesia doesn't recognise Atheism or Agnosticism and although I've come out about it to most of the people I know, I still feel very strongly about how it will never be recognised, even my mother acts like it's just a phase.
@@elihenley6982 I’m trying to do that by writing now. Hope it works
@@sundayoliver3147 I try.
This is NSC's best video! It hits all the key points hard! Well done!
Well, thank you. It was meant to be the only one. I had to make 50 more to get across all the points I missed in this one.
NonStampCollector Thank You.
You dont have any idea how good this is. This way of putting your points forth. Extremely entertaining and educating.
I feel sad that so many believe in religion/god. Feel specially sad for my family.
Me TOO :(
Ex-Muslim Atheist same
@@Incursio214 oh ok lol
Hey internet people I have been avoiding talking about religion with my fam my mom knows I am an atheist but should I try to explain why religion is dumb or just let them think I am the idiot “cherrypicker “ I don’t want to interfere with their hope of heaven because it makes them feel better
@@Incursio214 I'm in a similar situation. My parents aren't heavily religious but they do believe in a god and used to attend church. I'd love to convince them otherwise but they're overly comfortable with English, and I wouldn't be able to argue in Polish.
@LogiPlush A girl rammed the rear end of my car, once. We got out, had a look, there was minor damage....
But I couldn't give a damn. I just told her to not worry about it. She insisted on giving me her insurance details, I said don't bother.
Should I have demanded compensation?
I once stole chocolate from a convenience store. Should I go to jail for 35 years, or burn in agonizing torture eternally? Or something else?
Just stumbled upon your channel today. It's amazing how you explain the exact thoughts I've been having for years in such a concise, detailed, and logical way.
Been a Christian most my life and just recently realized that if God is real, he is the most evil and horrific entity to ever exist, and now that I've made that realization, there's no way I'm ever going to willingly love him. So I guess I don't have to worship him on my knees for eternity anymore lol
Yes the channel is going through a big boost today for no reason. The algorithm gods are smiling on me.
Yep, no point in loving an unpleasant god that doesn't exist.
I hope this isn't the first of my vids you landed on. It's one of the shittest!
@@NonStampCollector After 15 years this absolute chad responds to a comment within an hour. Amazing. And it makes more sense to believe in algorithm gods than all the others haha. This is the second video I've seen of yours, and after watching the first (Quiz Show: Bible Contradictions) I decided to start binging all your videos in order lol.
The animation obviously isn't as good, but I watch the videos for the intricate and completely logical way you structure your points, and this one isn't bad by any measure.
@@NonStampCollectorplease come backkkkkkk
@@mcflyingfury wow, you just described everything i did and that i was about to do, crazy, hope you are well on your journey
@@amogelangthabangmatlala9139 I'm doing well, just trying to gather the courage to tell my family about what I've been thinking. It's hard knowing that the majority of my relationships are going to change drastically and for the worse.
NonStampCollector is the best at pointing out the absurdities of religion in the best way possible: humor! If someone or something is funny simply by telling the truth, that is the best way to illustrate the flaws. The idea of sacrificing oneself TO oneself to atone for a "crime" supposedly committed by a person's ancestors is completely bonkers! I ESPECIALLY like it how NonStampCollector points out how impossible it is to believe something based on no evidence whatsoever. I couldn't believe in God if I tried! So, the idea is that I end up in Hell because I COULDN'T force myself to believe in Zeus... I mean God? Charming.
TheTooginator love this guy tooo
Except it wasn't for 'one's appeasement but for the redemption from the sin of one's creation. Plus, the crime that's committed by the ancestors isn't the crime you're judged on bc everyone has sinned. We also gave up on giving evidence when skeptics couldn't accept a reality in which God existed and dismissed everything. Also, you're mixing up paganism with monotheism, Zeus is presented as fiction and has a specific purpose and God isn't fitted to one specific purpose i.e he's not exclusively the God of the sky.
Years old but still epic video. You nailed it non-stampcollector 👌👍🤣
This channel is the best ever!
Thank you 😊 for your work!
best way to save your creations from your wrath is obviously to sacrifice yourself to yourself, to appease yourself.
4:26 Yeah, I never understood why God couldn't just forgive people from the start. Or just decide to forgive them, rather than go through that whole Jesus arc... Especially if he knows of the future.
Why didn't someone show this to me 11 years ago?
Yeah I put two and two together when I was 6 but it was with the quran which is way more ridiculous
@@nuclearnadal3116 Now now, the Quran is actually just as ridiculous. The Bible has such confusing Instances as:
- No one can see Yahweh, but also prophets have seen Yahweh, such as Abraham.
- Yahweh killed all sin in a great flood, then sacrificed himself to himself to kill all sin again after the great flood
- Yahweh kicked out Adam and Eve for eating the apple of the knowledge of what is good and evil because it was "wrong", even though Adam and Eve didn't know what was right and wrong until they are the apple.
@@chinggiskhan6678 I love that last bit about Adam and eve. Imagine setting out a banquet of food for your children, only there is a juice box full of poison. "Don't drink the juice!" You say as you walk away and close the door behind you. Excellent parenting 😂
These videos are getting better every time you watch them.
I still come back to watch these videos because they're so perfect 😁
I discovered this channel maybe 4-5 years ago but haven't been back for the last few years until again recently. Not only the content but something about the rudimentary stick figure animation just tickles me too. I wouldn't change a thing as far as that's concerned.
If there was one video that could sum up everything wrong with religion, this is it.
Harrrison Pressly maybe
And imagine this video is only like basic premise not counting contradictions and all that fun stuff person from 2 years ago
Darkmatter2525’s video titled “God’s God,” does a pretty good job as well
At least the majority of people who subscribe to Abrahamic religions. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Brilliant! Mate, I love your videos!
Still savage in 2019. Welcome back NSC!
First time I see this channel, brilliant name!
I stumbled across these vids today and can't stop watching. Great videos
Reasoning, logic, balanced inquiry are all good, but they won't prevent you from going to hell. Lolz for that killer line :-D
Roli Rivelino hahaha
This is me having a conversation with my parents.
daily reminder that if you don't sin jesus died for nothing
This video explains everything. Doesn't need anything else to contest christianity.
maximuscesar contest
Fake Christianity. This is not what the Bible actually teaches
@@timbaker4253 Read it and weep. It says this and much worse.
Have you read the bible @@timbaker4253?
Yep. Why was a human sacrifice necessary? Why could an all powerful, all knowing god who had a need to appease his own anger by sacrificing himself to himself not just simply forgive? There is no apparent reason why he couldn't or wouldn't. Yes, there are many convoluted theological attempts to demonstrate a good reason why Jesus had to die, but they seem very much like grasping at straws and special pleading.
and yet we're demanded to forgive the worst trespasses possible based on our the condition of our own hearts. No blood involved.
That'd if you misconstrued his sacrifice on the cross as what you have just laid it out to be. It proves him putting himself at the line and putting his creation before himself.
@@enterkramer Christianity is full of those double standards. We are also instructed by Jesus to feed the hungry, but when atheists bring up how many natural disasters result in the starvation of countless people, Christians don't see anything wrong with God allowing that, even though he could fix the problem in less than a second.
I never understood this. God supposedly created us with free will, but then he looms eternal torture over everyone like that somehow gives us a choice. And say if God is real and all us atheists do go to hell, it was because of ignorance not because we were malevolent against him. At least if he came down and made it a 100 percent clear that he was real, then we would be at fault for disobeying him... wtf is this logic.
Different times 100's of years ago. People were burnt alive for not believing in god. Religion used as a power to start wars and crusades. And these forced traditions have stayed with us to this day. We should all know better in this day and age.
The opposite is forced to not believe. Look up calvinism. It's worth then with free will
God knew certain people would end up in hell... and created them anyway. It's impossible to be any more evil than that.
For most of the duration of the universe, the molecules currently in my body will be, and will have been, swirling around in space. I rather like that.
They already are. You 95% of the molecules you had a year ago are gone.
Plot twist: 100% of the molecules you currently have ARE swirling around in space, right now!
@@PBAmygdala2021 Good point well made. I should have said deep space.
There is no outer space. The firmament is a hard covering.
@@timbaker4253 Aw bless!
He sacrificed... himself, to... himself.
So he is the merchant, the customer and the currency all at the same time. Did I crack the trinity?
He also returned the product three days later.
This was frikn brilliant. Thank you!
God's sacrifice to himself is like if a billionaire named John Smith decided to get clout by donating lots of money to the John Smith foundation
Or when rich celebrities take time out of their busy lives to do a charity event where they tell everyone else to donate less collectively than they made in a year or will make off the publicity of the charity event.
Just watched. This forces me to donate it was so good, just wow! So well done :)
This stuff is hilarious!!!
RELIGION MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE AT ALL!!!
Watch all of Non Stamp Collector videos... incredible work and TOP NOTCH graphics
@@travisjazzbo3490 Will do!
So basically, eternal torture or eternal slavery. Great options we have don’t we.
"You (god) don't want to send people to hell so just don't!"
As simple as that!
@LogiPlush Well I hear you, and I've heard that before, but I reject it on its face. He came back, and always knew that he'd come back, so that's nothing compared to the sacrifice of people who know they won't.
And anyway - if this god determines that it is satiated by the experience of awful SUFFERING, if that's the currency that it deals in, then that's its own silly fault, and I'm not going to be impressed that it wanted suffering, & then went through it so as to ultimately make itself happy.
THIS IS ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL !!!!
It's kinda cool this perfect little convo with god has been up on TH-cam for over a decade now.
I just wish I'd have seen it back then.
Finally finished all the videos! Very good stuff! Keep this available!!!
Who ever wrote that god doesn't send people to hell, they chose to go there has not read their bible very closely. In most every scripture in the New Testament that talks about people going to hell, it is explicit that god sends them. Matt. 10:28 makes it clear that god casts people in. Read Jesus' parables about weeping and gnashing of teeth in the outer darkness. In these parables, god judges people and has his servants cast people into this outer darkness. Read Revelation about the final judgment, people are cast into the lake of fire, not jumping in. Nice job trying to get your god off the hook, but your bible disagrees with you.
Its not there sin that we get punished for its ours. "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" here is a example of why God cant just forgive everyone. If me and you were involved in a court case where a school shooter comes in our children's class room and kills them. All of its on video and the person who committed the crime has admitted and at the sentencing the judge just says, well, free to go have a nice day! What! We would be outraged and thus have a real reason to hate that judge. But if the Perfect judge of all the universe doesn't he's a monster. That's why Jesus had to die. he took our punishment on himself and it was okay for God to acquit him after he took our punishment, because he was innocent and still allowing his judgement to be Perfect
chase tharington Yes, we would be outraged at a criminal like that being let go with no justice, yet that is exactly what Christianity offers. Even the worst child rapist and murder can merely repent (sincerely intend never to do it again) and believe the right things about Jesus, and he faces no punishment for his crime. It is outrageous. On the flip side, another person who's worst offense in his life was stealing a package of bubble gum, even though he felt remorse, will burn in hell for all eternity because he never believed the right things about Jesus. This is not justice my friend. Any system that rewards and punishes not based on actions but on belief is definitively unjust.
chase tharington Also, justice is fitting the punishment to the crime. Eternal conscious burning in hell for just ANY sin is not justice. God sends people to hell for all eternity for limited and finite crimes in a comparatively short life. This is the epitome of disproportionate punishment and injustice to the point that it is cruel. If your child "sinned" against you, no matter how bad the offense, you will likely punish him, but you wouldn't build a fire pit and roast him in it forever because he never "repented."
Tim Richardson And any parent who would do so would rightly be viewed as cruel and unloving toward his child
Tim Richardson also, punishing an innocent person, even if that person is the judge, for someone else's crime is not justice either. It is injustice twice! Once for not appropriately sentencing the guilty party, and again for punishing an innocent person. This is called scapegoating, and there is nothing just about it because it removes responsibility from the guilty person and puts in on an innocent. If the goal of justice is rehabilitation and changing people for the better, which it is, then the Christian system is not it. It circumvents justice and allows people to never take ultimate responsibility for their actions. You say we would be outraged at a judge who would let such a guilty person go free. Yes! Yes we would! But Christianity teaches that god does that very thing.
NSC has the most brilliant sarcasm that I ever witnessed.
You know, with a few minor tweaks, this video can be shown in church, and will gather much applause because they will agree with Yhwh's logical explanation of everything.
Priceless! Every book believer should watch this
If Heaven is being with God forever, but Hell is being without God forever, I’d rather go to Hell.
Exactly that’s why hell exist. God isn’t going to force you to live with him for eternity. As you’ve said. You’d rather go to hell. It’s a shame that people think that place will actually be nice.
Gamma noone think it’s going to be nice if it exist, but it’s still better than eternal life with arrogant, narcisstic, blood thirsty, killing, war hungry and stupid god.
An Atheist well then you should really re-read the New Testament, because all those names you attributed to God clearly doesn’t show in his life on earth as a human. He never acted as such, and I’m assuming your taking all the Old Testament as your source for that.
Well I think it’s pretty obvious, that most people are ignorant to know what he meant/intended. When you ever come to the conclusion he was “evil”.
Also in order to bring Jesus to earth, and get what he needed done to save humanity. He chose to act accordingly in the OT. We don’t know if there was a way that was more obvious, and less destructive as to which he could have acted, but I think we can conclude that he got his mission done so far.
An Atheist It might be good to quit feeding the troll. He can’t know what our lives have been like. Like most believers he thinks the Scriptures are stronger evidence than our personal objective experience.
Gamma I don’t care about new testament. If christianits didn’t have to kill religious people except christians, christianity would go extinct. after christians had enough power to rule against enough people (plus their kids who were raised to be strict christians, which helped them to make christianity dominant religion, and BTW Islam does the same and look at how fast the religipn grow) THEN they wrote new testament which is nicer and kinder.
I like how you point out that heaven isn't all it's cracked up to be either. All we're promised is to be able to sing God's praises for all of time. Being allowed to do this all the time is somehow the best reward. Idk about you but I got plenty of singing the praises out of my system in church as a kid...
the perfect book with many lessons on hate intolerance greed lust rape slavery subjugation of females ...... and bad temper trantrums and domestic violence against the people
You tell that to a christian and he'll be like "Ah tet tet tet, that was the OLD testament. The new testament doesn't have that". And then you recall that it starts with a guy getting nailed to a cross and spending 3 days in hell and you say "Yeaaaaaaah...right" and then you drop the subject and leave before the madman before you starts getting violent.
Lessons against*. Did you really make the claim that it encourages hate, lust and greed while being against it
@@TJCID22 It merely described it. Also, you're misconstruing the purposes of wich such things were mentioned.
Just goes to show how ridiculous the whole thing is. The Bible is full of contradictions.
And, somehow, the readers of it can do the mental gymnastics needed to ignore them.
@@since1876 If by doing the mental gymnastics involved by explaining the context and what the verses mean, and how they aren't a contradictions, then you'd be right, I guess.
@@liam6033 there are definitely contradictions. You're just too far gone to see them.
@@since1876 The majority of the ones mentioned are either from difference in the ot vs nt in differing covenants or from 2 different perspectives.
@@liam6033 but the new treatment says the entire book is written by god and needs to be obeyed. Meaning ALL of it. So are we allowed to eat shell fish or not? Please note, that's not a question I'm asking. I truly don't give a shit what the bible says about shell fish. Or anything else, for that matter.
So much logic!
Princeton Vargas Spock.
This never gets old.
This is enlightening. Question everything!!
David Gray indeed
WHY?
@@babotond You begin to wake up. :)
Unconditional love with a whole book written with all the conditions for receiving that love, and we have "free will" to choose with as well with just 2 choices wow how great is he.
This is frickin brilliant. I watched this over a decade ago. It's even better now.
Finding this concise video back in 2008 could’ve save me a decade of time thinking up movies questions and arguments on my own.. lol
Imagine if I ate an apple from a random man's plot of land, and he cloned himself and then killed that clone instead of calling the cops and having me imprisoned for theft. Then he insisted all of my future progeny worship him every day of their lives, to stave off being imprisoned for that one act of theft which I alone committed.
And THEN, outside of that, idiots from all over the world would put together the argument I just made, only to respond, "durrr something from nothing herp derp" as if that specifically proves the single religion I just proved to be nonsensical, Christianity, is correct as opposed to mere deism. That's the world we've live in for two millennia. Fuck.
the ad that came up before your video was of this christian movie, "The Messiah". interesting isn't it. maybe its a sign😱 a sign from the magical ghost man in the clouds. i'm S H O O K !!!
Well, take comfort in knowing that by advertising before my video they lost 0.0000000000000001 cents. That'll teach them.
***** Well, it's nice of you to say so. However, I'm afraid I'd underwhelm. I'd strongly suggest being satisfied upon merely being whelmed, if it ever happens.
NonStampCollector I made a comment on your theist challenege, but I don't think you will be notified of it so I am telling you here, sorry.
I kind of like the idea of this video somehow electronically leaking into that ad...
My mother explaining to me how the abuse she inflicted on me was somehow my fault: 2:54
We have the same mom??
It's not, as an adult sje should had known beter.
She's responcibke for her own actions no matter hwo much she tries to shift the blame on you
Most TH-camrs are embarrassed of their first videos because they are bad or cringey but while this doesn’t have the same polish of your later videos it’s just as good
On this one I like the expressions on the stick figure's face.
Love this stuff. It's videos like this that are responsible for atheism gaining ground so fast. TY NSC! Quiz Show is hilarious! 😊
Wow. You totally nailed the idiocy of Christian logic. I think this may be my favorite video of yours.
11 years later and only 300,000 views. The world is missing out.
RIGHT?!!!
Fuzz it
Fulke Greville (1554-1628) Elizabethan poet: “Created sick, commanded to be sound.”
Phillip Moore ?
"I will choose to believe in Christianity, because otherwise I believe I will burn in Hell"
This is so circular (and even contrary to the moral teachings of Christianity itself, I mean, praising God out of your own self-interest is literally flattery).
Yet that’s exactly what priests and apologists say to people.
Basically it all comes down to the simplified phrase “believe in Jesus or else...”
It doesn’t matter if you’re doing good things because you’re afraid of hell or want to get to heaven - it still makes you an insincere and rather unpleasant person. The same goes for those that go to churches for the same reason...
@@Noname-w7f1e The Mafia boss god
This might have been your first video, but it is one of your best. A great summary of the absurdity of religion. I hope you are still producing these videos. I have shown Noah's Ark Part 1 to a bunch of people, and they invariably role on the floor. I first watched it at a restaurant and was laughing out loud. Keep up the great work!
I did it! I watched them all! ... do I deserve a cookie?
Fantastic scripts -- no wonder people like this so much.
My nephew sent a pic of a fortune cookie note years ago with something like this: "the god you are worshiping is not who you think it is" He knew I was questioning things and he said that I was writing the notes. It was quite funny.
This is just brilliant. Wish I'd seen this long before. So well done.
Before this video, I got an ad for a *_”rational, scientific, doctor_* Mormon man!” who became a Mormon because he thought it’d be a good idea to make him happy... “rational”...
I sent this video to a church girl I was dating and she got so mad and broke up with me. I really don’t care. I have made it my life’s mission to educate everyone who associates with me. You can’t be a smart hardworking person but u still believe there’s someone in the sky pulling strings and letting little kids die of cancer.
The problem is, she votes.
From her perspective, the logical fallacy that you committed was the ad hominem. You tried to make fun, but it's not fun when you're the butt of the joke.
This video is pretty good at asking questions instead of making statements, but it's no substitute for in person talking. When she started getting upset watching this video, it didn't stop and ask what was wrong. It kept going. If it was you, you might have empathized with her and backed off a little bit and let her stew. Sometimes these ideas take a while to click, and we have to be patient.
I'm really trying to say as I'm sorry she broke up with you and she's probably going to go vote Republican
You can once you personally get involved with that Being
Great video! I love it. It's nice to see one of the few Bible critics that actually knows what he's talking about.
Also, nice accent, bro.