I took delivery of a '21 PW in July. I ordered Amp Research Power Steps. I had to wait almost five months for them, but they were worth the wait! I will step up to 35's, because they will fit with plenty of clearance. I went with the 4x4 transfer case stick in the floor. If it ever tries to get away from me, I can reach down and pop everything into neutral. I have heard that the hellcat oil pump will solve the ticking issue. I'm at 5k miles, and ticking is what it does. The surround cameras are what I find most useful, in many situations! Gas mileage is what it is. It will go almost anywhere, and that is what the price of admission is all about, anyway, with this beast. It is as heavy as an African Elephant, and you notice this when you apply the brakes. I love it! No buyer's remorse, here. It's probably worth more than I paid for it. When you see a RAM with the WARN winch up front, then you know it's a Power Wagon. I got the sticker delete option with mine. Got a HEMI?
The power boards are nice if it’s a pavement princess!! If you live in a dusty or dirty area they squeak and get messed up and don’t work right if you don’t clean and grease them all of the time !! Keep a can of wd40 in the truck lol !! I like mine !! But my driveway isn’t paved and it’s a work truck too !!
My 2022 RAM 2500 Laramie 4x4 Hemi is my daily driver at 10-12 MPG which I expected. Many trips are short so the gas engine warms up nicely in cold weather. I do have a 3100 pound payload capacity; one of the reasons to buy a 2500 rather than a 1500. No off-road and no trailering is planned. No RV hauling in the future. Thanks for your review.
I have a 2021 Power Wagon. It purposefully comes with gas only. The Cummins is WAAAY too heavy given its capability. I replaced the suspension with the Carli Pintop system with the radius arms and it's a completely different truck. Moved to 37's when I upgraded the suspension. I then added a Go Fast Camper to the back with the tent on the top and it's perfect at this point. There are factory rock sliders that look ok. They're tight against the body but I have them and they work great.
Beautiful truck! When I was truck shopping, I really wanted the power wagon but the towing/payload just didn't work for my situation. I have the same color, I love it! Nice ride.
I went from a 2016 Ram Rebel to a 2022 Ram Power Wagon. Dramatic drop in gas mileage lol. The electric 4wd shifter is an option. Floor shifter is still standard. Love the color
Good honest review Alex, thanks for the vid. I would hate to see your fuel bill - hopefully you commute isn’t far. Awesome looking truck and even dirty it looks good ha ha ha - she must be fun to drive cheers
Great vid. I have a 2018 power wagon with the rambox. I had a gooseneck ball installed in the bed. Installed an Anderson hitch. Firestone riderite airbags. Daystar airbag cradles.you need the cradles to keep your articulation. Amp power steps. I have a 36 ft 14000 lb fifth wheel RV. Tows beautifully with the hitch and airbag setup. 315x70x17 duratracs. Only thing that does suck is mpg. 7 mpg towing the RV. Next gonna do some engine work.
wicked set up! I think I'd love to put a truck bed camper in the back. but I'll probably have to juice up the suspension back there like you did to hold a camper and have that overland look. I mean in terms of fuel mileage when towing. my 1500 when towing 5,500 lbs was getting 9MPG through the prairies (flat ground). I just think gas engines in general drink fuel when towing. I've heard the Eco boost's LOVE the fuel when towing.
@@TheGettyAdventures Yah my 3.5 gets around 7.5-9 avg is 8 when towing our TT. It kind of makes sense tho, since it is always under boost while towing. I'd say it tows around 5psi and slight inclines bring it up to 10. So that basically adds to displacement and boosted vehicles tend to run slightly rich anyways.
Awesome video these powerwagons are such bad ass trucks but #4 was the reason I didn't go for a powerwagon and got a tradesman gas job. Payload rating in my regular 2500 hemi is 3301, I needed that payload rating more than offroad goodies. Also- that factory powerwagon winch mount bolts right into a gas 2500 and I added that to mine and have that factory hidden winch in it l, just a tip for anyone thinking about doing it. It's really easy actually.
@@Barefoot-Bobhow do you do this? I have a power wagon and I’m trying to figure out a way to tow my boats, and 5th wheel camper, I’m in the process of installing Stainless Works true dual headers, and exhaust system, a 6”/4” lift (with upgraded Ultra HD shocks suspension components), and a cold air intake. Will this increase my towing/payload capacity to be near that of other “3/4 ton” pickups?
Agree on your comment on side steps. Two options I would consider. power running boards or steps on each doors. We know the 5.7 and 6.4 Hemi will be gone in a few years. Yes the floor mounted 4x4 shift lever has proven it's self. You can't stop progress! One advantage of the electronic shifter frees up a bit of space for a third passenger up front even though it's not much.
the electric 4x4 shifter is obviously not a deal breaker but the floor shifter is a cool feature to have in todays world of electronics. my co-worker told me that a few weeks ago that the Hemi's are done. I have no idea what Ram intends on replacing them with. probably a twice turbo pentastar wet up or something
Why somebody would pay extra for a slower, more complicated, less reliable differential shifter is beyond me. Power running boards are cool until they stop working. Maybe it’s just me, but I follow the KISS principle on trucks.
@@3-2-1-. straight 6 eh ? not the worst idea I guess but a v6 would ideally give more space but maybe they aren't worried about that lol just sounds odd not having a v8 option for a pick up truck
I love my 2017 Ram Powerwagon. So glad I got rid of my diesel 2500 almost 2 years ago. Diesel is now 50 cents more per litre currently in Alberta and that along with maintenance costs on a diesel eliminate any reason to have a diesel unless you’re towing with it like daily. My Powerwagon has a manual floor shift and if I keep my foot out of it I get 15-16 MPG (Imperial). I tow my 7500 lb holiday trailer about 4 days per year so a gas truck is just fine for me… Love my truck!
Great video again beautiful truck congrats the only true heavy-duty off road pick up truck on the market today, As far as oil type and quality goes for hemi 5.7L ,6.4L engines , FCA Engine Design doesn't allow oil to be lubricating lifters enough with low ZDDP PPM content in todays oil and 5k-10k intervals, So basically you have to treat this engines with better oil that contains higher ZDDP and extra Molbendum disulfate(mos2) or just add some ZDDP oil additive and MOS2 additive, Personally i use 0W-30 Penzoil Euro/SHELL HELIX made in germany high end synthetic oil with 1/4 Redline brake in oil additive and Liqui moly MOS2 1 1/2 bottle along with K&N high performance oil filter, 6K-8K intervals, Bullet proof combo.
The gas mileage is the killer for me and the weight of the truck too. You cant go in deep snow or mud with it or you get stuck!! I'm gonna get a Chevy Colorado zr2 bison minimax!! I still love the PW tho! Keep up the awesome videos man!!
yaa she's a thirty girl, to be honest during the week when I'm driving country road she's up to 14mpg which is acceptable. she is heavy but I love knowing I have large heavy duty axles, driveline and transfer case that can take a good beating without having issues. and the ground clearance is amazing. but no truck is perfect! a lighter Zr2 is probably better in certain situations.
Not sure how many people know this but the manual, on the floor, transfer case shifter is STILL an option on the newer Power Wagons. If the Level 2 Equipment Group is added to the truck then it defaults to the electronic transfer case shifter on the dash. But I do agree it should remain on the floor regardless of what Equipment Group is added.
You are half right about the suspension and how heavy it is in the front end, but the big part is also the oil pan sits too low in the diesel and because of how long the inline-6 is with all of its radiator components and cooling components , it also would take away the winch in the front bumper if you really want a diesel off-road vehicle and have a lot of money then I encouraged to go for the AEV Prospect 2 with very limited being made but sitting on a 40in tire it is a diesel version of the Power Wagon but almost triple the price for what this truck is for the price that it is it is the best affordable most capable off-road vehicle to date from a production line for a 2500 chassis, since you live in Canada if you want a good tip to for fuel mileage when you go to take a long trip or even a trip out of town try to plan your route to stay off of the highway and don't go any more than 80 to 90 km an hour because that will equal out to your 1500 having the 321 final gear at 125 km an hour it is not much of a difference
M a GMC guy but that’s a sharp truck… before I ordered my ‘24 Ultimate Denali I looked at a SRW 3500 Cummins. One thing that bugged me was the quality of the sun roof shade, it was thin and the fitment wasn’t very good… other than that it was really nice.
Loving these videos! I want a 2500 and I keep going back and forth between the power wagon and a 2500 limited with off road package. Any thoughts or advice?
The TB48 in the Y61 Patrol also needs 20L / 100kms, with half the power and in a lighter vehicle. Considering displacement and the Ram's size, I think the Hemi is doing well.
Don’t get me wrong, I love the Power Wagon - Who Doesn’t!?!? - That being said - truck comparisons are fun! Lol - As with any specialized vehicle, it is compromised, in some areas to be awesome in others. - That’s a big reason why I went with the RAM 1500 Rebel. - The Rebel a rear locker, factory 1” lift, and the same wheels and tires. And my door sticker says it can haul (not tow) 1501 lbs. And I can tow over 15,000lbs. - I don’t get the front locker or the disconnect-able sway bars… I’m okay with that… - And because the Rebel is built on the 1500’s platform, it has the newer revised cabin and frame.
I think the hemi tick is one of the most over-hyped issues on the planet! Stop worrying about it. If you want to worry about something, worry about getting hemorrhoids and an itchy arse! Have fun with your Power Wagon and your lady friend. Fugetaboutit!
FUGETABOUTIT! haha love it. But I mean yes and no. lifters do fail on these hemi's and it is an issue but the odds of it happening to your engine are low. good maintenance and care and you'll be just fine.
My 2020 power wagon still has the floor shifter for 4x4. To avoid the rub through, I raptor lined the step ups and the body seem and up to the first body line. Love my power wagon, even with almost 60,000km on it. Fuel mileage for a 2500 gasser isn't the greatest but it is a sacrifice I am willing to have to have the off road capabilities of the power wagon. For me the positives of a PW far out way my want of a diesel engine.
I got rid of my Hemi because of the lifters, I did a lot of research on the lifters and I can’t believe that dodge can’t fix it after all these years. Been a dodge guy for 45 years but no more.
it's an interesting topic forsure, alot of people seem to think its not a big deal but I still think there are probably a good amount of lifter failures even on these newer hemi. But I mean only time will tell i guess!
Beautiful Truck. Out of curiosity if the payload and softer suspension of the power wagon is an issue why wouldn't you look at a F250 7.3 with the tremor pkg?
One of the big differences between tremor and powerwagon is the suspension and flex. The tremor doesn't do nearly as good there. So you pick, either excel at offroad (powerwagon) or excel at towing (every other 3/4 ton). The tremor is also a ford, which judging by other comments from Alex, well he's not a fan. Truck buyers are loyal/picky. I personally don't like the looks of the fords, and the ride quality is poor as is the interiors.
great question! So the reason I went with this power wagon despite the low payload was because of the off-road options, the tremor package doesn't even have a front locking diff let alone a winch. the tremor package basically include a rear locking diff, bigger 35" tires and some off-road crawl and hill decent features and a cool decal whereas the power wagon is a much more off-road dedicated truck. the reason why I would of liked a bigger payload was because I think it would be awesome to throw a truck bed camper in the back and do some overlanding. but with only 1500lbs of payload it limits you to super light small truck bed campers. with all that said, the off-road capability is what I valued and this PW is the best in market.
fords are just not my thing. However I did look at buying a ford raptor because they are awesome but 100k for a truck was just too much lol and yes exactly the power wagon is very unique and its low payload is why it's so good off-road
First year engine and transmission, that are already facing recalls. I got a PW, because the platform has been around for years. I love the Godzilla V-8, but I'll wait until Ford does a full size Bronco and puts one in it. If that ever happens...
Great video. I agree with almost everything you said. But the so called hemi tick can come from broken exhaust manifold bolts, still a pain in the shorts, but lots cheaper than a cam. The lifter issue represents less than 5% of all the hemis produced. Think of all the cars with hemis too that don’t have this issue. So like you said, keep the oil clean, don’t idle it to much, and you should be fine for minimum 200,000 miles, or 320,000 kms.
The only thing we hate about ours is the absolute lack of aftermarket following. The Power Wagon is literally the big brother to the Rubicons & there is very little food lift options, almost no decent skid plate options, bumpers that are available seem to be super expensive or always on back order. Love the truck but dang we feel like to get it how we want it we have to fab everything up for it. White knuckle off road rock sliders are the shit though!!!!!
cummins adds weight but also takes up space for factory winch, you'd have to get a bumper with winch out front. you still can get a transfer case shifter knob instead of shift on the fly electric. carli suspension boosts payload while still giving ride quality. hellcat oil pump reduces hemi tick. Is it good off the lot? no. but is any truck when setup for offroad like this? no.
The Carli Pintop with the 2.5 in Kings will give you 2,000 pounds of payload and greatly improve the overall ride. It's super spendy, but I say it's worth it if you can afford it.
The Carli backcountry kit is a good, more affordable option to consider, too. It’ll handle all of the off-road conditions that 99% of owners will put it through without issues. Those Kings are pretty bad ass, though…
@TheGettyAdventures, when you mentioned the hemi tick, do they have mds delete that you could add? I have an 09 1500 and just rebuilt the top half of the block. I’m no expert, but I did the mds delete replaced the camshaft among other things. The tick comes over time because 4 cylinders shut down at cruising speeds. From what I understand is that those lifters keep friction with the camshaft and don’t get the lube they need. This was happening at about 172,000 miles. Everything runs good now, gas mileage went down a bit though.
The real reason the Cummins doesn't come in a power wagon is the intercooler wouldn't fit because of the winch is built into the bumper where the intercooler would go. And the reason they're getting away from the floor shift is you still have the electronics that run the center axle disconnect in the front end so either way you're still relying on electronics. The hemi tick on the 5.7s is from broken exhaust studs the 6.4 doesn't have that problem. The MDS is what wipes out the lifters.
fair enough about the electronic shifter. I just figured one less thing to worry about. I heard that about the cummins but a chrysler rep was talking to me when I bought it and he mentioned the biggest reason was the weight. but obviously there were other issues as well like you pointed out. and yes the 6.4 don't have the manifold stud issues (thank god) but I'm not worried about the hemi tick, good maintenance and potentially getting rid of the mds system should do the trick!
@@TheGettyAdventures the Pennzoil 0w 40 is junk so definitely find a different oil then what the book recommends. I'm in Florida and in my 6.4 I run Rotella 15w40 not sure how it would do up there's but it's great in hot weather. Almost 60k miles and not one noise. I'm sure you could do the 5w40 Rotella T6. Check out the dodge forums
Hi Alex, please make an oil change video when you get a chance. I've heard getting to the oil filter is an issue because of the winch. My 2022 PW is now due to arrive in 7 to 11 weeks. Thanks Mike
Great video, I just ordered the 2500 rebel package with the 6.4 hemi can’t wait to get it , and I have a charger scat pack with a 6.4 liter v8 had no problem at all with hemi tick so I don’t know about that
I ordered a 21 Tradesman cc sb 2500 4x4 with 6.4 Hemi and 4.10s with posi. Had the 4wd lever on the floor. It pulled like no gas truck I’ve ever owned! It had 17k towing capacity and I tested it good pulling my farm Tractor through lots of 6-8% grades on one occasion and a diesel f350 dually on another. Yes, it’s a thirsty pig but boy that Hemi goes! It’s a weird thing getting used to peak torque being at 2500+ rpm…I’m used to lugging engines for economy sake but the Hemi likes rpms! If diesel fuel and diesel emissions repairs were cheaper to run I would’ve gone diesel but affordable diesels are gone…Thanks again Big Government…
Thanks for the video, I just bought 2022 power wagon, level3, I was little bit disappointing that doesn't have 360 cameras. However, over all I love the truck.
A guy like you should be driving a Ford F150 with a 3.3 V6. Then you’ll be a happy camper. No more Ram Power Wagons for you, and you won’t be able to cry.
Just had one of the MDS lifters drop in my 17' this spring (at 113,000 miles) and it was almost $10k to fix but I replaced with Hellcat lifters, Hellcat oil pump and a performance cam. surprisingly I get 3-5mpg better gas mileage now... (i also put 5:13 gears in mine so was only getting 7-9mpg to start)
My Cummins is very hard on it’s front end parts! I can’t imagine trying to off road it like a Power Wagon hard. The new Cummins diesel is just to complicated and expensive. I will enjoy a gas engine the next go around. I’m kinda concerned about engine lifter issues in the 6.4 still even in later models, I’m hoping the 2023 models will have it resolved.
get your truck professionally oil sprayed. And make sure you got some good mud flaps. it will keep alot of the road salt and grim off the rockers and rear bumper.
Fair statements. You HAVE to use 0-40 oil which is hard to find. I think the hemi tick is from incorrect oil wts and changes , should be no more than 5k mile intervals.. Fuel consumption isnt bad for this beast in relation to what you get out of Jeep rubicons,Tacomas,Tundras or most other modern gas trucks.
You can buy an awful lot of gas for the price difference between the Hemi and the Cummins. Also, with the Hemi you don't have DIF or regen issues. For those who complain about payload and no Cummins option, just purchase a regular 2500 with the Cummins and the off-road package. Of course you lose everything that makes the PW a PW. But you cannot change the laws of Physics!
Liked your video but sounds like you bought the wrong truck. I love the look and cool factor of the PW but the payload killed it for me. I wanted to tow my travel trailer with my family without maxing out. A Laramie 2500 with Carli or Thuren suspension would've kept your payload numbers up and as you said you could have your cake and eat it too. 😉 Great videos keep up the good content. 👍
I bought the truck I wanted, I knew in order to have the off-road capability there was going to be sacrifices lol I actually love the truck but I just thought I would point out a couple of the truck short comings. But thank you sir! appreciate the kind words.
I don’t think they will ever put a Cummins in a power wagon, will most likely stay gas only. But you can get a 2023 2500 Rebel Cummins and it has a ton of power wagon styling!
Get some Maple Offroad sliders from your fellow Canadian so you can do some real offroading. I'm in PA. I have his sliders, 3 bar skid plate replacement and his 4th gen bolt on rear bumper on my'13 PW. Solid stuff. I also got a Thuren high clearance front bumper. Ditch the chin spoiler for now to get some more clearance up front and probably save some damage.
I was surprised these trucks even come with the chin spoiler/air dam but ya its got to come off! I would love to get a nice steel bumper with a push bar on it but we'll see what the future holds!
Dodge should actually add a air ride suspension to that thing for the back. For an almost hundred thousand dollar truck it should have a rare airbag suspension and why doesn't Dodge go ahead and put a hybrid system to help with the gas mileage since most the new vehicles are starting to go that route that I'll also give you more torque and power on top of the hemi to make it Better for towing and give you more power like a diesel. Dodge could partner with Toyota for a hemi hybrid system.. 💪🏼
Good list. I have the shifter on floor (thank god!!) and the side steps. I didn’t notice the contact w the steps but I’ll have to look again. How much long term damage do you think could come from rust/bubbling in that area? Thanks
depends where you live. like where I live the roads 5 months a year are filled with salt and de-icer which are both higher corrosive. but if you live in a nice sunny place probably not that much of a concern!
@@TheGettyAdventures So what is the alterative? Can't see power running boards being an option with the salt issue in the areas we live. Aftermarket rock rails attach the same way?
The lifter thing was fixed with a redesign to them in 2016. Unfortunately I had a 2015 but at least it was repaired under warranty and after many miles, it has not happened again.
More and more evidence suggest lifter failure issue is attributed to a number of factors running into each other. Those being fleet vehicles that run at idle for extremely long periods of time, oil change schedules not adjusted for the idle usage, and most are from 2013 and before which some suggest they were poorly manufactured lifters for those conditions and has been addressed. It's not a "common" issue at all... not like the exhaust manifold "tick" which is much more common. FCA/Stellantis make 1 million Hemi's per year, so just because you hear about a few on the internet doesn't make it common.
Good list and I was going to get those steps but might option out of them. I'm looking at the Maple Off-road ones they are twice the price as the factory but look way more stout and Canadian. The AMP power steps look great but I live over in New Brunswick and think the weather here would kill them in a year. Do you think you'll ever put a topper on it? I'm really debating the rambox system with that closes the door to a topper down the road.
I might look at putting a topper on the truck but I doubt it. if anything I'll try and find a super tight box camper and do some overlanding type stuff. And ya the winters are harsh on equipment. especially in New Brunswick, She can get cold out there!
I would never buy with electronic for a drive.... I own 3 suburbans with the barn door 4 wheel drive lock and Hobbs stick on the floor 2500...... And I own 3 pickup trucks square bodies All in the eighties and seventies And I own 2 Ford tall boys I absolutely like the older stuff and I will absolutely keep restoring old stuff to have more
One more thing I don’t like is the spare tire is not the same as the other four tires on the truck. I just ordered a new 2022 with the 6.4 L engine but I going to disable the MDS and possibly install the hellcat oil pump to give it more oil on startup and idling.
I put air bags under my 2021 power wagon. Cost me about $400. I can tow my living quarters horse trailer easily now. When I’m not towing i drop the air out of the bags and I’m back to the soft ride. Fuel mileage sux. big heavy truck with 4:10 gears. Equal bad fuel economy. It is what it is.
Power Wagon doesn't care, it just does what it does and it does it better than every other truck. But the things you hate, are why I won't own one as I have no need for an off-road Truck. I'm more interested in payload, towing and better mileage. Which, I can do all the same with a 1500/5.7 w/ better mileage. However, if I lived in a place that I needed an off-road Truck, this is the only one I'd own. For now, the 1500 and the Wrangler will suffice. The next truck most likely be a 2500 or 3500 srw w/ the Cummins.
I would never get a PW. I know it's a beast and your fuel bill each time you fill up proves it. There are so many other vehicles to choose from for off-roading. As a daily, there is no way I would ever own this thing at least not with today's fuel prices. Of course, I am speaking from my wallet LOL. If I won the lottery and had an immense amount of disposable income I may get one then but only if I won the lottery!!
I have owned a 2017 then bought a 2019 direct from the factory. There's only one reason to own a Power Wagon. You want the most bad ass off road capable production Truck. You don't buy it to tow stuff. You don't buy it to haul stuff. I paid to have no electric transfer case know. Nothing like grabbing the shifter and putting it in 4 wheel low. Side steps. Valid point. However there easily replaced. As far as gas mileage. Don't buy the truck if you can't afford the. My only complaint is. Goodyear Dura Crap Wrangler tires suck. As do the factory wheels. Cooper Discoverer STT pros are a much better tire.
The softer ride is really great, but if you want a work truck then buy a 2500 with cummins t/d, powerwagon is the off road version, my 2004 ram 2500 with cumming t/d was the worst riding truck i have ever owned, but towed great. I would take powerwagon anyday, and keep clean oil and i use lubegard in that 6.4 hemi.. ..
I change the oil every 6000km because yes clean oil is essential for these engines. I honestly love the truck and as you pointed out if you want more towing the ride is going to suffer as well as the off road capabilities.
6 Things I hate About Your Review: 1) Diesels suck off-road. It’s ok on hard, dry surfaces, but forget about it in snow and mud. They’re just too heavy. 2) If you want good fuel economy buy a Prius. What in the world did you expect with this truck? 3) This truck shouldn’t have sidesteps, but what’s the problem. Just coat everything. 4) Any off-roader knows that you sacrifice payload for performance. Your surprised? 5) It can tow 10,000 lbs. Not bad for an off-road truck. Maybe you should have bought a diesel if you need to tow a lot of weight. 6) The Hemi tick is mostly a myth. Change your oil often and use the manufactures recommended oil and you’ll never have a problem.
From what i understand the lifters & cam only go bad if you constantly let the eng. idle for long periods of time?? After 3 or 4 minutes put the shifter in neutral & rev. The eng. To 1500 or 2000 rpm's for 4 or 5 seconds & use zmax or a quality high zinc additive.
Ya high idle time is not good for these lifters. I also think the oil change interval period is way too long and that causes issues as well. But the lifters failures on the newer trucks seem to be less then the 2009-2015 trucks. In 2016 ram updates the lifters and that seemed to have helped!
@6:00 I dont know about the dodges, but chevy also has problems with lifter failures and theres are due to their stupid cylinder deactivation shit. lifters collapse and the wont re-engage all the way. What used to be pretty bulletproof motors have now been engineered a flaw all in the name of minor fuel savings at the expense of costly repairs.
I am having to get rid of my power wagon due to the towing capacity :( super super bummed about it. LOVE this damn truck.. just wish it could tow a lil more.
Two things. First, how on earth were you getting 12-13 liters on your 5.7? I get 15-16 city and mixed driving, I only get 12-13 if I go on roadtrips and if I don't go above 90 km/h. We have highways with speed limits of both 110 and 120 in Sweden and at those speeds it's about 15. Is it because my truck is 2012? Do the newer trucks have optimizations that lowers the consumption ever so slightly? Or were the 12-13 liters you were getting simply also when you were doing longer trips? Second, the dreaded hemi tick. I've watched many videos on this and as you say, there's not really a certain factor that causes this. One video says this is seen more on high idle-time vehicles. But on the 5.7 at least, the hemi tick is *NOT* common. I forgot the number but I think it was either 5% or 10% of the engines getting this. I'm hoping it's the same for the 6.4 and I'm hoping you won't get it. As for me, an early symptom is a cylinder misfire code. I had that a couple of years ago. Code reset and never came back so I'm just hoping for the best.
So yes depends on your set up, so a 2012 is going to probably have a 6 speed with 3.55 gearing. my truck had the 8 speed trans with 3.21 gearing, meaning that it naturally is going to be more fuel efficient. the 8 speed trans is going to keep rpm's lower as well as the 3.21 gears. I also drive 20km to work each way on country roads.
and yes the hemi tick is not that big a concern but it is still a common issue on these engines. 5% is still a ton of engine failing. even 1% is a lot. I love these engines don't get me wrong and no engine is perfect! the fords and the chev's have their issues as well but the hemi tick is a real thing and I just hope I have a good running engine!
Oh yea I forgot about the 8 speed in the newer trucks and I have no idea what gearing I have but these two variables making a 20% difference in fuel consumption... I mean that's no small number in my opinion. And it does blow my mind that the hemi tick isn't covered by that 100k mile engine and drivetrain warranty as long as you haven't done anything to your truck to void it. Do they still do that? Did your truck come with a 100k mile engine and drivetrain warranty?
@@johnthornton7763 I have seen an increase in rams the last couple of years. But I can't say how common the dealerships are and while I have seen ram increase the last years, I still wouldn't call them popular or even more common than Chrysler and Jeep. Oh and ram here still goes by dodge 🙈
My 2021 6.4 has had the hemi tick since I pulled it off the lot. I run the penzoil 0w-40 full synthetic from the dealer and haven’t had any issues yet. It’s not the pingy manifold noise either. It seems to only tick for the first 30 seconds of start up and then goes away 16k miles so far with no issues. we’ll see what happens, that’s what warranties are for I guess
I'd go right to the dealer man, get that on record that you have complained about a lifter noise and get the mechanics to see what they think. because if it does let go out of warranty you may be able to argue that it started inside warranty!
this truck is so much stronger. the driveline is stronger. the axles are bigger. but I get what you are saying, I actually just towed with this truck today and it tows WAY better then the 1500 despite having the same rating.
Did you get an extended warranty on it? Dodge still comes with 100,000 mile but I would almost get the extended warranty if you can. You can negotiate the price on the extended warranty. I don't know how long they give you to add the warranty I think as long as it's under factory warranty you can always get the extended warranty on top of that I think but remember to negotiate the price on it.
I partially disagree about the cummins engine not really being possible, the first tremor f250 has a 6.7 powerstroke option why so can’t ram make the cummins an option
great question. the tremor is really just a normal f250 with a locking diff and bigger tires. ya its got some electronic stuff but mechanically that's it. where as the power wagon has a a whole different suspension system then the normal 2500 as well as a winch in the front both of which make it not possible to have a cummins. the winch wouldn't give enough room for the intercooler and the bigger rad. and like I mentioned in the video the cummins is an extra 1000 lbs heavier then the 6.4, so with the soft suspension it wouldn't support it and having such a heavy front end would suck off-road. the cummins oil pan also sits very low making it vulnerable to damage when off-road. What ram could do it simple add a couple lockers to the normal ram 2500 and throw some electronic off road control at it and you would have a pretty capable truck. but it wouldn't be as capable as the power wagon.
Dodge has been building H.D. 4x4's since 1934 U.S. Calvary 1.5 ton Dodge 4x4. WW2 late 30's 40's 1/2 ton 4x4 3/4 ton 4x4's 1.5 ton 6x6 Before Jeep in 1941 in 1946 Dodge P.W. First H.D. 4x4 a full decade before Ford and G.M. When they did have 4x4 they both used Chrysler owned New process Gear transfer cases and manual transmissions. Chrysler was the sole supplier of transfer cases for all full size trucks Ford Chevy, and Dodge 1/2, 3/4, 1 ton.
Why isn't Dodge addressing that lifter problem? I mean give me a break I don't know what's going on with these manufacturers. I hope to God, it doesn't have that fuel management system to where it shuts off half the cylinders
How about 5 things that the Power Wagon doesn’t like about you? Just staying…
Worst part is how you were forced to watch the video, eh?
😂😂😂
Just staying where?
I took delivery of a '21 PW in July. I ordered Amp Research Power Steps. I had to wait almost five months for them, but they were worth the wait! I will step up to 35's, because they will fit with plenty of clearance. I went with the 4x4 transfer case stick in the floor. If it ever tries to get away from me, I can reach down and pop everything into neutral. I have heard that the hellcat oil pump will solve the ticking issue. I'm at 5k miles, and ticking is what it does. The surround cameras are what I find most useful, in many situations! Gas mileage is what it is. It will go almost anywhere, and that is what the price of admission is all about, anyway, with this beast. It is as heavy as an African Elephant, and you notice this when you apply the brakes. I love it! No buyer's remorse, here. It's probably worth more than I paid for it. When you see a RAM with the WARN winch up front, then you know it's a Power Wagon. I got the sticker delete option with mine. Got a HEMI?
awesome man happy you like your truck! I actually really like my truck but I thought I'd share a couple things I didn't like about it lol
The power boards are nice if it’s a pavement princess!! If you live in a dusty or dirty area they squeak and get messed up and don’t work right if you don’t clean and grease them all of the time !! Keep a can of wd40 in the truck lol !! I like mine !! But my driveway isn’t paved and it’s a work truck too !!
My 2022 RAM 2500 Laramie 4x4 Hemi is my daily driver at 10-12 MPG which I expected. Many trips are short so the gas engine warms up nicely in cold weather. I do have a 3100 pound payload capacity; one of the reasons to buy a 2500 rather than a 1500. No off-road and no trailering is planned. No RV hauling in the future. Thanks for your review.
I have a 2021 Power Wagon. It purposefully comes with gas only. The Cummins is WAAAY too heavy given its capability.
I replaced the suspension with the Carli Pintop system with the radius arms and it's a completely different truck. Moved to 37's when I upgraded the suspension. I then added a Go Fast Camper to the back with the tent on the top and it's perfect at this point. There are factory rock sliders that look ok. They're tight against the body but I have them and they work great.
Beautiful truck! When I was truck shopping, I really wanted the power wagon but the towing/payload just didn't work for my situation. I have the same color, I love it! Nice ride.
Pay load? Usually gas trucks have more payload capacity than diesel’s
@@awaroots The Power Wagon has a very low towing capacity and pay load for being an HD truck. Even less then some half tons.
@@NicktheStumpGuy interesting, I’ve never owned anything newer than an 08 so I’m ignorant to that info🤣
@@awaroots All that extra off-road jazz comes at the price of extra weight.
I went from a 2016 Ram Rebel to a 2022 Ram Power Wagon. Dramatic drop in gas mileage lol.
The electric 4wd shifter is an option. Floor shifter is still standard.
Love the color
I was not expecting the dramatic drop in fuel lol. I was ready for like 25% more fuel consumption not like 75% more lol
Good honest review Alex, thanks for the vid. I would hate to see your fuel bill - hopefully you commute isn’t far. Awesome looking truck and even dirty it looks good ha ha ha - she must be fun to drive cheers
thank you! so much salt and crap on these roads, can't keep this truck clean for 24 hours lol.
I love mine.
Never had any issues.
Happy camper here!!
Great vid. I have a 2018 power wagon with the rambox. I had a gooseneck ball installed in the bed. Installed an Anderson hitch. Firestone riderite airbags. Daystar airbag cradles.you need the cradles to keep your articulation. Amp power steps. I have a 36 ft 14000 lb fifth wheel RV. Tows beautifully with the hitch and airbag setup. 315x70x17 duratracs. Only thing that does suck is mpg. 7 mpg towing the RV. Next gonna do some engine work.
wicked set up! I think I'd love to put a truck bed camper in the back. but I'll probably have to juice up the suspension back there like you did to hold a camper and have that overland look.
I mean in terms of fuel mileage when towing. my 1500 when towing 5,500 lbs was getting 9MPG through the prairies (flat ground). I just think gas engines in general drink fuel when towing. I've heard the Eco boost's LOVE the fuel when towing.
@@TheGettyAdventures Yah my 3.5 gets around 7.5-9 avg is 8 when towing our TT. It kind of makes sense tho, since it is always under boost while towing. I'd say it tows around 5psi and slight inclines bring it up to 10. So that basically adds to displacement and boosted vehicles tend to run slightly rich anyways.
My dad gotm the tick on his 1500.
You need to get a hellcat oil pump, so your lifters get oiled at idle.
that's too bad, my old hemi was great no issues so I'm hoping the same for this one!
Awesome video these powerwagons are such bad ass trucks but #4 was the reason I didn't go for a powerwagon and got a tradesman gas job. Payload rating in my regular 2500 hemi is 3301, I needed that payload rating more than offroad goodies. Also- that factory powerwagon winch mount bolts right into a gas 2500 and I added that to mine and have that factory hidden winch in it l, just a tip for anyone thinking about doing it. It's really easy actually.
fixing the payload issue on the power wagon can be done for under a thousand dollars
@@Barefoot-Bobhow do you do this? I have a power wagon and I’m trying to figure out a way to tow my boats, and 5th wheel camper, I’m in the process of installing Stainless Works true dual headers, and exhaust system, a 6”/4” lift (with upgraded Ultra HD shocks suspension components), and a cold air intake. Will this increase my towing/payload capacity to be near that of other “3/4 ton” pickups?
Agree on your comment on side steps.
Two options I would consider. power running boards or steps on each doors.
We know the 5.7 and 6.4 Hemi will be gone in a few years.
Yes the floor mounted 4x4 shift lever has proven it's self. You can't stop progress!
One advantage of the electronic shifter frees up a bit of space for a third passenger up front even though it's not much.
the electric 4x4 shifter is obviously not a deal breaker but the floor shifter is a cool feature to have in todays world of electronics. my co-worker told me that a few weeks ago that the Hemi's are done. I have no idea what Ram intends on replacing them with. probably a twice turbo pentastar wet up or something
Why somebody would pay extra for a slower, more complicated, less reliable differential shifter is beyond me. Power running boards are cool until they stop working. Maybe it’s just me, but I follow the KISS principle on trucks.
@@TheGettyAdventures They're going to a straight six gas engine with a turbo. 525 hp, supposedly, but the sound will suck. I'll keep my semi Hemi.
@@3-2-1-. straight 6 eh ? not the worst idea I guess but a v6 would ideally give more space but maybe they aren't worried about that lol just sounds odd not having a v8 option for a pick up truck
@@TheGettyAdventures fuel in aus. $1.80 lt..diesel. gas $1.75.lt.
I love my 2017 Ram Powerwagon. So glad I got rid of my diesel 2500 almost 2 years ago. Diesel is now 50 cents more per litre currently in Alberta and that along with maintenance costs on a diesel eliminate any reason to have a diesel unless you’re towing with it like daily. My Powerwagon has a manual floor shift and if I keep my foot out of it I get 15-16 MPG (Imperial). I tow my 7500 lb holiday trailer about 4 days per year so a gas truck is just fine for me… Love my truck!
One of the things i love about TH-cam is that it is a good place to get some really good whine.
Great video again beautiful truck congrats the only true heavy-duty off road pick up truck on the market today,
As far as oil type and quality goes for hemi 5.7L ,6.4L engines ,
FCA Engine Design doesn't allow oil to be lubricating lifters enough with low ZDDP PPM content in todays oil and 5k-10k intervals,
So basically you have to treat this engines with better oil that contains higher ZDDP and extra Molbendum disulfate(mos2) or just add some ZDDP oil additive and MOS2 additive,
Personally i use 0W-30 Penzoil Euro/SHELL HELIX made in germany high end synthetic oil with 1/4 Redline brake in oil additive and Liqui moly MOS2 1 1/2 bottle along with K&N high performance oil filter,
6K-8K intervals,
Bullet proof combo.
The gas mileage is the killer for me and the weight of the truck too. You cant go in deep snow or mud with it or you get stuck!! I'm gonna get a Chevy Colorado zr2 bison minimax!! I still love the PW tho! Keep up the awesome videos man!!
yaa she's a thirty girl, to be honest during the week when I'm driving country road she's up to 14mpg which is acceptable. she is heavy but I love knowing I have large heavy duty axles, driveline and transfer case that can take a good beating without having issues. and the ground clearance is amazing.
but no truck is perfect! a lighter Zr2 is probably better in certain situations.
Not sure how many people know this but the manual, on the floor, transfer case shifter is STILL an option on the newer Power Wagons. If the Level 2 Equipment Group is added to the truck then it defaults to the electronic transfer case shifter on the dash. But I do agree it should remain on the floor regardless of what Equipment Group is added.
You are half right about the suspension and how heavy it is in the front end, but the big part is also the oil pan sits too low in the diesel and because of how long the inline-6 is with all of its radiator components and cooling components , it also would take away the winch in the front bumper if you really want a diesel off-road vehicle and have a lot of money then I encouraged to go for the AEV Prospect 2 with very limited being made but sitting on a 40in tire it is a diesel version of the Power Wagon but almost triple the price for what this truck is for the price that it is it is the best affordable most capable off-road vehicle to date from a production line for a 2500 chassis, since you live in Canada if you want a good tip to for fuel mileage when you go to take a long trip or even a trip out of town try to plan your route to stay off of the highway and don't go any more than 80 to 90 km an hour because that will equal out to your 1500 having the 321 final gear at 125 km an hour it is not much of a difference
If you have the money, Carli or Thuren suspension systems are 100 times better than AEV.
M a GMC guy but that’s a sharp truck… before I ordered my ‘24 Ultimate Denali I looked at a SRW 3500 Cummins. One thing that bugged me was the quality of the sun roof shade, it was thin and the fitment wasn’t very good… other than that it was really nice.
Loving these videos! I want a 2500 and I keep going back and forth between the power wagon and a 2500 limited with off road package. Any thoughts or advice?
The TB48 in the Y61 Patrol also needs 20L / 100kms, with half the power and in a lighter vehicle. Considering displacement and the Ram's size, I think the Hemi is doing well.
I mean 20L/100kms is not good but I guess for the truck it's not the worst
You convinced me. I would rather buy the tradesmen. I would need it to actually be a 2500 with the 4x4 shift on the floor.
Nothjng wrong with electric shifter but 4x4 on the floor is nice and bullet proof
Don’t get me wrong, I love the Power Wagon - Who Doesn’t!?!? - That being said - truck comparisons are fun! Lol - As with any specialized vehicle, it is compromised, in some areas to be awesome in others. - That’s a big reason why I went with the RAM 1500 Rebel. - The Rebel a rear locker, factory 1” lift, and the same wheels and tires. And my door sticker says it can haul (not tow) 1501 lbs. And I can tow over 15,000lbs. - I don’t get the front locker or the disconnect-able sway bars… I’m okay with that… - And because the Rebel is built on the 1500’s platform, it has the newer revised cabin and frame.
I think the hemi tick is one of the most over-hyped issues on the planet! Stop worrying about it. If you want to worry about something, worry about getting hemorrhoids and an itchy arse! Have fun with your Power Wagon and your lady friend. Fugetaboutit!
Lol. Well said….
FUGETABOUTIT! haha love it. But I mean yes and no. lifters do fail on these hemi's and it is an issue but the odds of it happening to your engine are low. good maintenance and care and you'll be just fine.
My 2020 power wagon still has the floor shifter for 4x4. To avoid the rub through, I raptor lined the step ups and the body seem and up to the first body line.
Love my power wagon, even with almost 60,000km on it. Fuel mileage for a 2500 gasser isn't the greatest but it is a sacrifice I am willing to have to have the off road capabilities of the power wagon.
For me the positives of a PW far out way my want of a diesel engine.
I got rid of my Hemi because of the lifters, I did a lot of research on the lifters and I can’t believe that dodge can’t fix it after all these years.
Been a dodge guy for 45 years but no more.
it's an interesting topic forsure, alot of people seem to think its not a big deal but I still think there are probably a good amount of lifter failures even on these newer hemi. But I mean only time will tell i guess!
Beautiful Truck. Out of curiosity if the payload and softer suspension of the power wagon is an issue why wouldn't you look at a F250 7.3 with the tremor pkg?
One of the big differences between tremor and powerwagon is the suspension and flex. The tremor doesn't do nearly as good there. So you pick, either excel at offroad (powerwagon) or excel at towing (every other 3/4 ton). The tremor is also a ford, which judging by other comments from Alex, well he's not a fan. Truck buyers are loyal/picky. I personally don't like the looks of the fords, and the ride quality is poor as is the interiors.
great question! So the reason I went with this power wagon despite the low payload was because of the off-road options, the tremor package doesn't even have a front locking diff let alone a winch. the tremor package basically include a rear locking diff, bigger 35" tires and some off-road crawl and hill decent features and a cool decal
whereas the power wagon is a much more off-road dedicated truck. the reason why I would of liked a bigger payload was because I think it would be awesome to throw a truck bed camper in the back and do some overlanding. but with only 1500lbs of payload it limits you to super light small truck bed campers. with all that said, the off-road capability is what I valued and this PW is the best in market.
fords are just not my thing. However I did look at buying a ford raptor because they are awesome but 100k for a truck was just too much lol and yes exactly the power wagon is very unique and its low payload is why it's so good off-road
First year engine and transmission, that are already facing recalls. I got a PW, because the platform has been around for years. I love the Godzilla V-8, but I'll wait until Ford does a full size Bronco and puts one in it. If that ever happens...
@@3-2-1-. zero chance they ever put a v8 in the bronco. they don't even want to make a 1500 with a v8 option lol
Great video. I agree with almost everything you said. But the so called hemi tick can come from broken exhaust manifold bolts, still a pain in the shorts, but lots cheaper than a cam. The lifter issue represents less than 5% of all the hemis produced. Think of all the cars with hemis too that don’t have this issue. So like you said, keep the oil clean, don’t idle it to much, and you should be fine for minimum 200,000 miles, or 320,000 kms.
You just opened my eyes with the side steps, damnnn at least I get it oil sprayed every year
oil spray will make a big difference!
The only thing we hate about ours is the absolute lack of aftermarket following. The Power Wagon is literally the big brother to the Rubicons & there is very little food lift options, almost no decent skid plate options, bumpers that are available seem to be super expensive or always on back order. Love the truck but dang we feel like to get it how we want it we have to fab everything up for it. White knuckle off road rock sliders are the shit though!!!!!
AEV I am sure can get pretty expensive
Oh boy, another video that starts with an exuberant "WHAT IS GOING ON GUYS!!!"
cummins adds weight but also takes up space for factory winch, you'd have to get a bumper with winch out front. you still can get a transfer case shifter knob instead of shift on the fly electric. carli suspension boosts payload while still giving ride quality. hellcat oil pump reduces hemi tick. Is it good off the lot? no. but is any truck when setup for offroad like this? no.
The Carli Pintop with the 2.5 in Kings will give you 2,000 pounds of payload and greatly improve the overall ride. It's super spendy, but I say it's worth it if you can afford it.
I'll probably upgrade to something like that eventually!
The Carli backcountry kit is a good, more affordable option to consider, too. It’ll handle all of the off-road conditions that 99% of owners will put it through without issues. Those Kings are pretty bad ass, though…
@TheGettyAdventures, when you mentioned the hemi tick, do they have mds delete that you could add? I have an 09 1500 and just rebuilt the top half of the block. I’m no expert, but I did the mds delete replaced the camshaft among other things. The tick comes over time because 4 cylinders shut down at cruising speeds. From what I understand is that those lifters keep friction with the camshaft and don’t get the lube they need. This was happening at about 172,000 miles. Everything runs good now, gas mileage went down a bit though.
Put some Maple Offroad step rock rails on your power wagon. They look awesome on a power wagon and they are a Canadian company
The real reason the Cummins doesn't come in a power wagon is the intercooler wouldn't fit because of the winch is built into the bumper where the intercooler would go. And the reason they're getting away from the floor shift is you still have the electronics that run the center axle disconnect in the front end so either way you're still relying on electronics. The hemi tick on the 5.7s is from broken exhaust studs the 6.4 doesn't have that problem. The MDS is what wipes out the lifters.
fair enough about the electronic shifter. I just figured one less thing to worry about. I heard that about the cummins but a chrysler rep was talking to me when I bought it and he mentioned the biggest reason was the weight. but obviously there were other issues as well like you pointed out. and yes the 6.4 don't have the manifold stud issues (thank god) but I'm not worried about the hemi tick, good maintenance and potentially getting rid of the mds system should do the trick!
@@TheGettyAdventures the Pennzoil 0w 40 is junk so definitely find a different oil then what the book recommends. I'm in Florida and in my 6.4 I run Rotella 15w40 not sure how it would do up there's but it's great in hot weather. Almost 60k miles and not one noise. I'm sure you could do the 5w40 Rotella T6. Check out the dodge forums
Hi Alex, please make an oil change video when you get a chance. I've heard getting to the oil filter is an issue because of the winch. My 2022 PW is now due to arrive in 7 to 11 weeks. Thanks Mike
I have 4,000km on this truck so another 1k and I will! Should be like 2-3 weeks!
The winch isn't in the way, but the oil does drip down all over the sway bar.... They gave no room to put a drip pan underneath.
Great video, I just ordered the 2500 rebel package with the 6.4 hemi can’t wait to get it , and I have a charger scat pack with a 6.4 liter v8 had no problem at all with hemi tick so I don’t know about that
I ordered a 21 Tradesman cc sb 2500 4x4 with 6.4 Hemi and 4.10s with posi. Had the 4wd lever on the floor. It pulled like no gas truck I’ve ever owned! It had 17k towing capacity and I tested it good pulling my farm Tractor through lots of 6-8% grades on one occasion and a diesel f350 dually on another. Yes, it’s a thirsty pig but boy that Hemi goes! It’s a weird thing getting used to peak torque being at 2500+ rpm…I’m used to lugging engines for economy sake but the Hemi likes rpms! If diesel fuel and diesel emissions repairs were cheaper to run I would’ve gone diesel but affordable diesels are gone…Thanks again Big Government…
@4:27 ... 100% agree on steps and lack of payload🤯 ...
Thanks for the video, I just bought 2022 power wagon, level3, I was little bit disappointing that doesn't have 360 cameras. However, over all I love the truck.
My Power Wagon has more cameras than a bank.
11.6 is great! I'm doing 37's this weekend so it should be worse! :)
CA gas prices are likely not any better.
works out to like 5.50 a gallon (I think lol) but yes I know a fellas in town with a 2021 wagon with 37's averaging like 10-11 lol
A guy like you should be driving a Ford F150 with a 3.3 V6. Then you’ll be a happy camper. No more Ram Power Wagons for you, and you won’t be able to cry.
Just had one of the MDS lifters drop in my 17' this spring (at 113,000 miles) and it was almost $10k to fix but I replaced with Hellcat lifters, Hellcat oil pump and a performance cam. surprisingly I get 3-5mpg better gas mileage now... (i also put 5:13 gears in mine so was only getting 7-9mpg to start)
My Cummins is very hard on it’s front end parts! I can’t imagine trying to off road it like a Power Wagon hard. The new Cummins diesel is just to complicated and expensive. I will enjoy a gas engine the next go around. I’m kinda concerned about engine lifter issues in the 6.4 still even in later models, I’m hoping the 2023 models will have it resolved.
This is/was a awesome video. More informative than most. Any tips for winterizing any and all vehicles but specifically RAM's?!
get your truck professionally oil sprayed. And make sure you got some good mud flaps. it will keep alot of the road salt and grim off the rockers and rear bumper.
@@TheGettyAdventures Done and done tnx.
Great vid, note my 2020 Tradesman Power wagon has 4wd shifter on the floor, dial for gears still.
I wish I had the floor shifter, looks bad ass and you know its always going to work!
Fair statements. You HAVE to use 0-40 oil which is hard to find. I think the hemi tick is from incorrect oil wts and changes , should be no more than 5k mile intervals.. Fuel consumption isnt bad for this beast in relation to what you get out of Jeep rubicons,Tacomas,Tundras or most other modern gas trucks.
0-40 is a strange weigh of oil and they recommend Pennzoil ultra premium that's like a crazy amount of money.
I have a 2019 PW. It's the new style but still has the manual transfer case. I'm glad I bought that year. It has 90,000 km on it and no hemi tick yet.
It's an option now to go electric
How’s your wagon going now I got the 2020 with Manuel transfer case got 52k miles on her going great
160 km's on it and still nothing major to repair.
I noticed that with my side steps too but I am keeping them on. Wish me luck! Haha
You can buy an awful lot of gas for the price difference between the Hemi and the Cummins. Also, with the Hemi you don't have DIF or regen issues. For those who complain about payload and no Cummins option, just purchase a regular 2500 with the Cummins and the off-road package. Of course you lose everything that makes the PW a PW. But you cannot change the laws of Physics!
EXACTLY
Liked your video but sounds like you bought the wrong truck. I love the look and cool factor of the PW but the payload killed it for me. I wanted to tow my travel trailer with my family without maxing out. A Laramie 2500 with Carli or Thuren suspension would've kept your payload numbers up and as you said you could have your cake and eat it too. 😉 Great videos keep up the good content. 👍
I bought the truck I wanted, I knew in order to have the off-road capability there was going to be sacrifices lol I actually love the truck but I just thought I would point out a couple of the truck short comings. But thank you sir! appreciate the kind words.
@@TheGettyAdventures your truck is a beauty for sure! I feel ya on the fuel mileage thing too. These trucks drive so damn good though.
I don’t think they will ever put a Cummins in a power wagon, will most likely stay gas only. But you can get a 2023 2500 Rebel Cummins and it has a ton of power wagon styling!
Great informative video, you answered my question which I asked earlier in another video about the 4:10 gears, fuel mileage
Get some Maple Offroad sliders from your fellow Canadian so you can do some real offroading. I'm in PA. I have his sliders, 3 bar skid plate replacement and his 4th gen bolt on rear bumper on my'13 PW. Solid stuff. I also got a Thuren high clearance front bumper. Ditch the chin spoiler for now to get some more clearance up front and probably save some damage.
I was surprised these trucks even come with the chin spoiler/air dam but ya its got to come off! I would love to get a nice steel bumper with a push bar on it but we'll see what the future holds!
Dodge should actually add a air ride suspension to that thing for the back. For an almost hundred thousand dollar truck it should have a rare airbag suspension and why doesn't Dodge go ahead and put a hybrid system to help with the gas mileage since most the new vehicles are starting to go that route that I'll also give you more torque and power on top of the hemi to make it Better for towing and give you more power like a diesel. Dodge could partner with Toyota for a hemi hybrid system.. 💪🏼
Good list. I have the shifter on floor (thank god!!) and the side steps. I didn’t notice the contact w the steps but I’ll have to look again. How much long term damage do you think could come from rust/bubbling in that area? Thanks
depends where you live. like where I live the roads 5 months a year are filled with salt and de-icer which are both higher corrosive. but if you live in a nice sunny place probably not that much of a concern!
@@TheGettyAdventures So what is the alterative? Can't see power running boards being an option with the salt issue in the areas we live. Aftermarket rock rails attach the same way?
I live in Canada with road salt. My 2014 has sidesteps with no rust but I will admit I spray fluid film under the truck every few years. 👍
The lifter thing was fixed with a redesign to them in 2016. Unfortunately I had a 2015 but at least it was repaired under warranty and after many miles, it has not happened again.
Could be an exhaust manifold leak. Check the manifold bolts and see if any are broke
I don't have a tick I was just saying the potential of getting the hemi tick sucks
I had a 98 dodge van 3500 with the 360 got 10mpg if lucky so that's actually good its like double the power 🤷
My 2019 PW and my 2000 Durango rt grt the same gas mileage lol
After you got this truck i took my 2021 Ram in to see what they would offer so I could get a PW…they didn’t offer me enough lol
To ALL..... THE 6.4 HEMI DOESN'T HAVE THE "Hemi-Tick" issue.
One guy on TH-cam says that if you use the hell cat oil pump, which has higher pressure, this solves the hemi tick issue.
More and more evidence suggest lifter failure issue is attributed to a number of factors running into each other. Those being fleet vehicles that run at idle for extremely long periods of time, oil change schedules not adjusted for the idle usage, and most are from 2013 and before which some suggest they were poorly manufactured lifters for those conditions and has been addressed. It's not a "common" issue at all... not like the exhaust manifold "tick" which is much more common. FCA/Stellantis make 1 million Hemi's per year, so just because you hear about a few on the internet doesn't make it common.
some very good points, however there are still new trucks having these lifter issues and I think it's still a valid issue to talk about.
Good list and I was going to get those steps but might option out of them. I'm looking at the Maple Off-road ones they are twice the price as the factory but look way more stout and Canadian. The AMP power steps look great but I live over in New Brunswick and think the weather here would kill them in a year.
Do you think you'll ever put a topper on it? I'm really debating the rambox system with that closes the door to a topper down the road.
I might look at putting a topper on the truck but I doubt it. if anything I'll try and find a super tight box camper and do some overlanding type stuff. And ya the winters are harsh on equipment. especially in New Brunswick, She can get cold out there!
These videos are fantastic keep it up
thank you sir!
your smile keeps me going
I would never buy with electronic for a drive.... I own 3 suburbans with the barn door 4 wheel drive lock and Hobbs stick on the floor 2500...... And I own 3 pickup trucks square bodies All in the eighties and seventies And I own 2 Ford tall boys I absolutely like the older stuff and I will absolutely keep restoring old stuff to have more
One more thing I don’t like is the spare tire is not the same as the other four tires on the truck. I just ordered a new 2022 with the 6.4 L engine but I going to disable the MDS and possibly install the hellcat oil pump to give it more oil on startup and idling.
Weird. My spare was the same size as the factory tires that came on the truck. All that I've seen have the same size spare as factory.
I put air bags under my 2021 power wagon. Cost me about $400. I can tow my living quarters horse trailer easily now. When I’m not towing i drop the air out of the bags and I’m back to the soft ride.
Fuel mileage sux. big heavy truck with 4:10 gears. Equal bad fuel economy. It is what it is.
I'll be putting air bags or timbrens in this truck in the near future. I have a big tow ahead so we'll need to keep the rear end from sinking lol
Power Wagon doesn't care, it just does what it does and it does it better than every other truck. But the things you hate, are why I won't own one as I have no need for an off-road Truck. I'm more interested in payload, towing and better mileage. Which, I can do all the same with a 1500/5.7 w/ better mileage.
However, if I lived in a place that I needed an off-road Truck, this is the only one I'd own. For now, the 1500 and the Wrangler will suffice. The next truck most likely be a 2500 or 3500 srw w/ the Cummins.
Chevy by far has the best value in the LTZ trim level in the 2500HD gas segment.
Do you regret buying it? Nice looking truck for sure. Gas mileage wow didn't know thanks for awesome reviews 👍
No I don't its what I wanted and that mileage is a tough look. usually during the week I'm around 14mpg so its not awful awful but still not good.
I would never get a PW. I know it's a beast and your fuel bill each time you fill up proves it. There are so many other vehicles to choose from for off-roading. As a daily, there is no way I would ever own this thing at least not with today's fuel prices. Of course, I am speaking from my wallet LOL. If I won the lottery and had an immense amount of disposable income I may get one then but only if I won the lottery!!
I have owned a 2017 then bought a 2019 direct from the factory. There's only one reason to own a Power Wagon. You want the most bad ass off road capable production Truck. You don't buy it to tow stuff. You don't buy it to haul stuff. I paid to have no electric transfer case know. Nothing like grabbing the shifter and putting it in 4 wheel low. Side steps. Valid point. However there easily replaced. As far as gas mileage. Don't buy the truck if you can't afford the. My only complaint is. Goodyear Dura Crap Wrangler tires suck. As do the factory wheels. Cooper Discoverer STT pros are a much better tire.
Not sure about Canada, but in the States you can still get the 4wd shifter on the floor.
I think you have the option of either now (I could be wrong) but it used to be the only option was the floor shifter.
I ordered Tyger rock slider/steps super awesome
The softer ride is really great, but if you want a work truck then buy a 2500 with cummins t/d, powerwagon is the off road version, my 2004 ram 2500 with cumming t/d was the worst riding truck i have ever owned, but towed great. I would take powerwagon anyday, and keep clean oil and i use lubegard in that 6.4 hemi.. ..
I change the oil every 6000km because yes clean oil is essential for these engines. I honestly love the truck and as you pointed out if you want more towing the ride is going to suffer as well as the off road capabilities.
6 Things I hate About Your Review:
1) Diesels suck off-road. It’s ok on hard, dry surfaces, but forget about it in snow and mud. They’re just too heavy.
2) If you want good fuel economy buy a Prius. What in the world did you expect with this truck?
3) This truck shouldn’t have sidesteps, but what’s the problem. Just coat everything.
4) Any off-roader knows that you sacrifice payload for performance. Your surprised?
5) It can tow 10,000 lbs. Not bad for an off-road truck. Maybe you should have bought a diesel if you need to tow a lot of weight.
6) The Hemi tick is mostly a myth. Change your oil often and use the manufactures recommended oil and you’ll never have a problem.
From what i understand the lifters & cam only go bad if you constantly let the eng. idle for long periods of time??
After 3 or 4 minutes put the shifter in neutral & rev. The eng. To 1500 or 2000 rpm's for 4 or 5 seconds & use zmax or a quality high zinc additive.
Ya high idle time is not good for these lifters. I also think the oil change interval period is way too long and that causes issues as well. But the lifters failures on the newer trucks seem to be less then the 2009-2015 trucks. In 2016 ram updates the lifters and that seemed to have helped!
@6:00 I dont know about the dodges, but chevy also has problems with lifter failures and theres are due to their stupid cylinder deactivation shit. lifters collapse and the wont re-engage all the way. What used to be pretty bulletproof motors have now been engineered a flaw all in the name of minor fuel savings at the expense of costly repairs.
I run Amsoil and K&N oil filters. 💪🏼
I am having to get rid of my power wagon due to the towing capacity :( super super bummed about it. LOVE this damn truck.. just wish it could tow a lil more.
should of got the carli suspension
They say weight is bad offroad. You know whats king offroad? Torque. Enter cummins.
Diesel is a low rpm engine with a short power band. They are built for better gas milage while towing.
Two things. First, how on earth were you getting 12-13 liters on your 5.7? I get 15-16 city and mixed driving, I only get 12-13 if I go on roadtrips and if I don't go above 90 km/h. We have highways with speed limits of both 110 and 120 in Sweden and at those speeds it's about 15. Is it because my truck is 2012? Do the newer trucks have optimizations that lowers the consumption ever so slightly? Or were the 12-13 liters you were getting simply also when you were doing longer trips?
Second, the dreaded hemi tick. I've watched many videos on this and as you say, there's not really a certain factor that causes this. One video says this is seen more on high idle-time vehicles. But on the 5.7 at least, the hemi tick is *NOT* common. I forgot the number but I think it was either 5% or 10% of the engines getting this. I'm hoping it's the same for the 6.4 and I'm hoping you won't get it. As for me, an early symptom is a cylinder misfire code. I had that a couple of years ago. Code reset and never came back so I'm just hoping for the best.
So yes depends on your set up, so a 2012 is going to probably have a 6 speed with 3.55 gearing. my truck had the 8 speed trans with 3.21 gearing, meaning that it naturally is going to be more fuel efficient. the 8 speed trans is going to keep rpm's lower as well as the 3.21 gears. I also drive 20km to work each way on country roads.
and yes the hemi tick is not that big a concern but it is still a common issue on these engines. 5% is still a ton of engine failing. even 1% is a lot. I love these engines don't get me wrong and no engine is perfect! the fords and the chev's have their issues as well but the hemi tick is a real thing and I just hope I have a good running engine!
Oh yea I forgot about the 8 speed in the newer trucks and I have no idea what gearing I have but these two variables making a 20% difference in fuel consumption... I mean that's no small number in my opinion.
And it does blow my mind that the hemi tick isn't covered by that 100k mile engine and drivetrain warranty as long as you haven't done anything to your truck to void it.
Do they still do that? Did your truck come with a 100k mile engine and drivetrain warranty?
@@Waskapmutni How common are Dodge/Chrysler/Ram/Jeep dealerships in Sweden, and how popular are their products?
@@johnthornton7763 I have seen an increase in rams the last couple of years. But I can't say how common the dealerships are and while I have seen ram increase the last years, I still wouldn't call them popular or even more common than Chrysler and Jeep. Oh and ram here still goes by dodge 🙈
I'd be more upset about not having a manual transmission. That's why I have mine.
My 2021 6.4 has had the hemi tick since I pulled it off the lot. I run the penzoil 0w-40 full synthetic from the dealer and haven’t had any issues yet. It’s not the pingy manifold noise either. It seems to only tick for the first 30 seconds of start up and then goes away 16k miles so far with no issues. we’ll see what happens, that’s what warranties are for I guess
I'd go right to the dealer man, get that on record that you have complained about a lifter noise and get the mechanics to see what they think. because if it does let go out of warranty you may be able to argue that it started inside warranty!
The ticking after startup that goes away shortly (after it heats up)... Is actually broken manifold bolts.
@@starmc26 definitely not it’s closer to an actual knock than a manifold leak. I’m aware of what both sound like
@@Justin_sisti Well you're not aware that the 6.4 doesn't get the hemi tick.
Why not keep the 1500 and just upgrade the differentials, suspension etc? Better mileage, same tow rating
this truck is so much stronger. the driveline is stronger. the axles are bigger. but I get what you are saying, I actually just towed with this truck today and it tows WAY better then the 1500 despite having the same rating.
The electronic 4x4 is an option isn't it?
Did you get an extended warranty on it? Dodge still comes with 100,000 mile but I would almost get the extended warranty if you can. You can negotiate the price on the extended warranty. I don't know how long they give you to add the warranty I think as long as it's under factory warranty you can always get the extended warranty on top of that I think but remember to negotiate the price on it.
My 2020 Ram 1500 was averaging 19 L last winter.
If the payload is only 1500 pounds by what metric is it a 2500?
Hey.. great points….
And great truck…
thank you sir!
My 2018 ram 2500 6.4 gas mpg sucks city 11.5 and on a trip 16.5 -7 mpg but my payload is 3900 lbs with a 3:73 in it and tow 12,000 ish
my payload is a nice 1480lbs lol it would be nice to have a higher payload but it is what it is!
I ordered my 2022 with the shift on the floor.
Right on man great choice 👌
I partially disagree about the cummins engine not really being possible, the first tremor f250 has a 6.7 powerstroke option why so can’t ram make the cummins an option
great question. the tremor is really just a normal f250 with a locking diff and bigger tires. ya its got some electronic stuff but mechanically that's it. where as the power wagon has a a whole different suspension system then the normal 2500 as well as a winch in the front both of which make it not possible to have a cummins. the winch wouldn't give enough room for the intercooler and the bigger rad. and like I mentioned in the video the cummins is an extra 1000 lbs heavier then the 6.4, so with the soft suspension it wouldn't support it and having such a heavy front end would suck off-road. the cummins oil pan also sits very low making it vulnerable to damage when off-road.
What ram could do it simple add a couple lockers to the normal ram 2500 and throw some electronic off road control at it and you would have a pretty capable truck. but it wouldn't be as capable as the power wagon.
Apple and an orange.
Dodge has been building H.D. 4x4's since 1934 U.S. Calvary 1.5 ton Dodge 4x4. WW2 late 30's 40's 1/2 ton 4x4 3/4 ton 4x4's 1.5 ton 6x6 Before Jeep in 1941 in 1946 Dodge P.W. First H.D. 4x4 a full decade before Ford and G.M. When they did have 4x4 they both used Chrysler owned New process Gear transfer cases and manual transmissions. Chrysler was the sole supplier of transfer cases for all full size trucks Ford Chevy, and Dodge 1/2, 3/4, 1 ton.
Put a carli 2.5 level kit fox shocks and stop tech commercial break upgrade it will fix payload and make you way safer and happier truck me
Why isn't Dodge addressing that lifter problem? I mean give me a break I don't know what's going on with these manufacturers. I hope to God, it doesn't have that fuel management system to where it shuts off half the cylinders
Are those wheels the 20” or 17”?
Stock is 17" rims.