【Nijisanji】 Gundou Mirei on being a Lesbian 【Eng Sub】
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郡道美玲 - Gundou Mirei -
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I've been busy with my job, so I wasn't able to translate any clip as of recent. To cut some time, I tried to make the translation in the form of CC because the editing software I'm using, Filmora9, is making it unnecessarily hard to add subtitles. I was able to take some time to make this clip, which is actually one that I have always wanted to make from the very beginning. I hope I can deliver more for you guys in the future.
Thanks for the hardwork man!
Filmora?? From experience, I do not recommend it. It's just... no
@@ultimatedoge5990 what would you recommend for editing?
@@laken6461 Well, vegas pro is the standard answer for simple edits and subtitles.
@@ultimatedoge5990 Vegas Pro is actually the first program I use with my earlier videos, but it crashes often for me so I switch to the simpler Filmora.
"what is your body count?"
"......I' lost count"
lmao what an absolute chad
chad anime girl
Absolute chadetto
"I saw a table with 4 girls... and I slept with all 4 of them lmao"
@@j.j1916 Even better if it was a foursome
“How many people have you slept with?”
>How many breads have you eaten?
Gundooooooooo
did i mention im suffering from severe malnutrition and poverty and live in a place with no bread
Bruh
@@zomyaalt6565 that explains why you have internet connection and the time to watch vtubers talking about their sexuality
Sleep means to "woohoo" activity? Or just sleep nothin happened?
This is actually very nice, seeing a vtuber, openly sapphic, talks about sexualities in a way that it's not just so people have something to stare on, but an actual serious discussion casually (does this makes sense..?). This feels to nice, I don't know how many times I should say this(lol). Thank you for the translations!
Tubble Stop “something to stare on” as in “she’s only talking about it so people have something to fantasize about(fanservice)”
@@tubblestop414 my mistake, i think i should rephrase my words better. I meant "fan service" in a negative connotation in which a lot of people meant by "for people who fetishize wlw relationships".
I admire her bravery
It was a nice insight into a completely different world from my own.
I totally agree! and knowing how many anime fans (and all the industry tbh) is being lgbtq+ is mostly fetishized so i'm happy someone addresses this topic like a normal and serious talk yknow?
I love how when she brought it up to Ichikara, the company just went all "why would that be a problem?"
when you see what happened with the lgbt community in Japan those last decades, it would be understandable that it would be a problem (not being it but talking about it during a stream)
@@tubblestop414what?
Tubble Stop How is homosexuality even remotely similar to incest?
J B Tibble Stop is probs a troll, based on his activity in this comment section so far.
Homosexuality is extremely frowned upon by most Japanese. So for Nijisanji to say that must mean there's been some improvement. Not a lot but a little.
Huh, pretty rare for a female vtuber to just outright be all “lol I’m not a virgin.”
They aren't Hololive members where the talents holds a title of "Idol"
@pisher259 same, prefer it that way
@@kennichigatchalian6710 We say that Hololive is crazy...but the Niji girls are on another tier.
Thank god Ichikara is a much better company than Cover corp in that regard. Screw idol culture. Just let them be themselves and speak about the obvious truths (like having had relations, not being a virgin etc)
Besides gen 0 the girls auditioned to be Idols, they preferred having more privacy with their lives, 2434 is a Virtual streamer agency, while Hololive is an Virtual Idol Agency, no use comparing them since they were different from the start. It's only been a while that Hololive is becoming more Streamer like with just a hint of Idols, and I hope in the future it will develop to the point Holostars can collab openly with them without backlash from the Unicorns.
This was actually really educational, love how she lost count of the number of people she's slept with, didn't think she was gonna answer after the silence, guess she was counting.
Gundou's a total chad
I personally thought it was a bit gross.
@@digitalyoutuber154 yeah honestly, that's not of anyone's business. Even as friends, imo, you don't really ask how many people you've had sex with, let alone asking a complete stranger
hajimedj you have boring friends then. Where I’m from, sex talk among friends is VERY open.
@@montanarose4622 shes not your friend
oH. so that’s why kaoru seta always calls girls her "neko-chan,” she’s just saying “hello bottoms”
THIS
Dressing everyone I know with "hello bottoms" form now on
@@birdontheinternet brilliant.
LMFAO
LMAOO
Gundou is a lesbian!? That means my chances with her went from 0% to 1% with her, right? I like those odds
Based on the numbers she pulls, its just a matter of finding that bar she goes to.
@@ianwells7916 time to do some research
She literally said she's bisexual.
@@IncredibleMD she said she's not sure if she's bi but she thinks she may be. Either way, still looks good for me 🤩
@@IncredibleMD she literally said she's never been in love with a guy.
"I still think its hard to find a partner..."
"Slept with all four of them"
*talks like "meeting" potential partners is easy*
*lost count the number of people she's slept with*
Yeah, I think she's doing far better than most straight people.
Yep. I have had only 3 relationships, all failures. And all 6+ years ago lol. So she's doing really good considering.
In gay communities it's generally easy to get laid, but hard to get into a long steady relationship.
I think what she means is it’s harder to find other wlw near her. Like, her having slept with all four of those ladies was more of a testament to how small the circle of wlw in her area was.
I remember seeing something about how it sucks being a lesbian in a rural area because there’s only 3 other lesbians nearby, two of which are dating each other, and the other one being your ex. I think that was the struggle she was talking about
@@shoutenry maybe with gay men, definitely not lesbians. its hard to even find lesbians, it is harder to spot them vs their male counterparts, and it feels like they have some secret lesbian society that only a few people know about.
@@koo-core7274 They definitely do have secret lesbian societies. I was part of one during my uni years. Which is weird considering I'm male, but don't sweat the details, I was just there for the food. Made some cool friends.
Everyone talking about her being bi and shit. I’m just concerned by the fact she’s leaving floating trees
worrying about the true concerning things here
IKR?!
Makes sense for many closeted lesbians or bi people etc. ... it’s so rare for someone to be so casual about it. To hear about it so openly meant a lot to me ☺️. Not for fanservice or a joke, it was really nice to hear 👍
IKR! That bothers me A LOT!
Aeroponics
Therapist: Female Chad Thundercock isn't real.
Female Chad:
Chad ThunderClit
@@youraveragegamer8832 this is so funny but please never comment again 😭
@@blee-bleep3906 Too late. I've been spreading my cursed comments everywhere for the past year
0:14
"Hear me, I want a girlfriend!"
Sounds like what a Greek god would announce upon entering a bar.
Zeus, rolling up to earth to have another affair:
@@nellie__ I like this better than my own joke lol.
Now I'm just wondering how, in an alternate world, historians would have bungled up interpreting that line for decades.
as a bi girl with a pretty heavy female lean, it’s awesome to see a vtuber talk about sexuality so openly. i’ll totally have to check out her future streams, she seems incredibly chill. it’s really interesting to hear her talk about her experiences as a lesbian!
So you're a "Fem Neko"?
Oh nice Kanan pfp
It's refreshing to hear about actual dynamics with bi or lesbian relationships (at least casual ones in this case) in Japan. A lot of vtubers will tease each other about being lesbian and fans will ship them and such but there's rarely an honest conversation like this one.
Because gay baiting is a staple in Japanese entertainment, both yuri and BL. Most of them are posers and not actually gay themselves.
I saw this a long time ago already, but it just reminds me again how real Gundou is. Her language is precise, her experiences clear and candid. She knows the specific terms of the community and mentions things people who are just baiting wouldnt even understand. Although Gundou is also an entertainer and does often exaggerate things (god her recent collab with Hoshikawa was kind of stomach churning), she also has a very clear identity. At the point in time of this stream there were basically no other Vtubers who were out of the closet. She is an absolute forerunner in that regard.
I dont care whether the whole GunKan things is real. She said she has no romantic interest in men, but as with any bisexual, a certain experience can change perspective on many matters. Either way she is still the same Gundou she was back then. I feel sympathy for her because her relationships never work out. It can be heartbreaking, it can be discouraging. Yet she sounds not bitter at all. My respect.
@Adam Evans
And what might they be, exactly?
Adam Evans what are you even saying??
@Adam Evans is the problem that she's too good for anyone? Because yeah 😔
She's confident in who she is. I can respect that. She takes pride in herself and that makes her a beautiful person.
@Adam Evans Can honestly agree with that tbh..half of the problem may lie with her.
GunKan fans : wait,Gundou sensei is bisexual ?
veteran gundou fans : always has been *shot GunKan fans*
I recently got into Gundou...and yeah this was a surprise to me
Wouldn’t that means she likes guys and girls?
@@ndr6961 but she's taking the initiative with girls so she's more on the lesbian side
@@ndr6961 If you have to throw labels around as people love to do with something as weird as human sexuality, she seems like she'd be Bisexual with a Female Preference.
I believe she does like some guys...but primarily 2D, I might be wrong but that's the impression I have of her
as a bi person, incredibly refreshing when to hear this talked about openly and without any stipulations thrown in. just a true, genuine talk about her experiences as a lesbian.
i enjoy her mentioning the niji management being perfectly fine with it. i do like the hololive talents, but they will never be able to shake the idol trappings and ensuing management oversight. i mention this because some of the girls legitimatly seem to be, at the very least, not hetero, but theyll never be able to say it. girl-girl relationships are only okay as a tool to increase viewer counts, but if they were allowed to come out, well then the idol purists are pissed because their incel ass delusions of "having a chance" are crushed.
this isnt a purely hololive issue per se. my absolute favorite vtuber is amano pikamee, and from her group, VOMs theres also tomoshika, who constantly talks of her love for pika... the problem is its hard to tell if she actually, truly likes pikamee in that romantic sense, and not just as a dynamic meant to appeal to viewers. i want to have faith since the VOMs girls have said theyre individuals and should be treated as one would treat independents, but you never know.
not being forced to wonder if representation is just fanservice is a real blessing...
They do have a chance. The incels have seen Back Street Girls. They know what they must do but do they have the resolve?
I feel u on this (Mostly from just hearing Marine stories) but I feel like they'll never be able to truly express how they feel and who they are by all means should they while the Antis and idol fans would just lose their minds i feel like especially here in the west their fans would not only accept them and love them even more the drive in like I said pairing shipping etc would just boost them so high in popularity sadly Cover just doesn't want to upset its "core fanbase"
@@axelleon67 you mean Marine still a lesbian ? I thought she ended up straight after graduation
@@amatsukauto1178 Lol, no way. From the way how I hear her talk about it, my guess is that she's also bi but with a large bias towards women. I've never really heard her swoon over some dude. On the contrary, it's always "oppai this" and "oppai that". And Matsuri has always been openly les
@@HAJIMEDJ Matsuri is bi, even more so than Marine. Matsuri has talked about guys before, Marine hasn't.
People are asking how she can talk about these things casually..
I mean she's just gotten to a point in life where she's okay with talking about it with viewers.
Life advice: You'll eventually get used to talking about it. Whatever that it is or are, doesn't really matter because again, you'll get used to talking about it.
She spends 12 hrs everyday streaming for more than a year.it is bound to happen sooner or later.
I think that is an overgeneralization. In many cases coming out has averse consequences. You cant just say that you will get used talking about it, because in many cases you have nobody you can talk to it about. There are 40 year old lesbians in the closet out there for a reason.
Not everybody gets used to talking about taboo topics like sexualty, let alone non hetero ones, and even less as a public figure working for a company like her.
We're making strides towards a society that just lets people explore themselves freely, but for now not everyone can discuss these topics like she did. A big part of what LGBTQ+ comunities are trying to change.
@@dipucena1049 Isn't she a fulltime teacher?
"I slept with all four of them"
My poor virgin heart can't take this.
Well apparently, from a comment up above she slept with 24 in total. However she probably is still single sooooooo she'll probably die single as well :D
@@ceshmate1953 dude, what?
at the rate that im going, im bound to be an isekai protag at this point
CeshMate What is wrong with you?
Discount Shintaro IKR?
gone during pride month..... goodbye queen
"I look to the table on the right with four girls and I've slept with all of them"
this is a win for every lesbian who watches vtubers. finally
yeah like 99.9% of the fanbase are straight boys
Except this isn't Hololive.
The title says she's Nijisanji, not Hololive.
東方外人 lol
corasundae lol i dont care
Gundou being open about this, Tomoe loving girls and how she said "same sex relationships are not weird!" Also her relationship with Sukoya is self explanatory(check them out yourselves ww), Yamagami talking about how she really really likes the female staff she met while recording, Hayase (ran-neechan) saying she has lots LGBTQ+ friends from her cosplaying circle so she says she won't be surprised IF Sukoya is dating Tomoe. Aizono saying she dated a girl(cosplaying onee-san 👀) once "it's not really something I should hide..."
Ofc there are more things Nijisanji livers are able to be open about other than sexuality and gay things (which I appreciate btw) and maybe be there are more livers who talked about stuff that I'm not aware of. Overall, this is just one of the reasons why I like the NIJISANJI family so much. Hope they get more recognition overseas.
Not only the girls, Akina literally said he wanted to kiss his male coworker (Kanae) on stream.
I’m glad Nijisanji (the company) allow their member to be themselves and open up to their viewers as they please.
@@Haruuuuu02 omg 👀 it's the first time I heard about that! That's cool! And yeah it's really the one of the main reasons why I like the livers from NIJISANJI they just feel natural to me and being their genuine selves not like the others who just do things for business (not shading anyone btw). I really wish they get the attention they deserve 😌😔
aster I agree, and that’s why they’re fun to watch, because they can mess around and play around, doing stupid things like a bunch of friends without having to worry about restrictions.
Aizono? Really? You have link?
@@kudryfume4667 th-cam.com/video/YWgXb65v-sI/w-d-xo.html it's around 1:01:13 there are no eng subtitles or translated ones but she basically she did date a girl once
Damn didn’t knew it
But she is true that something like in a manga barely happens so Crossick is a real miracle
"im lesbian"
90% of the females v-tubers: 👁👄👁
Wut
so what??? I don't understand what's the punchline here? what r u trying to say
@@matt4280 what im trying to say is: it's nothing weird nor surprising if she's lesbian since most of the female v-tubers have (or at least act like they have) a crush on other v-tubers
@@kalprown nothing to do with my comment.
@@samuelsalvatore4511 but that's a role for a character they're playing, I may be mistaken but maybe the person behind her is lesbian irl
She is cool, and the management is cool too.
I can't believe we lost THE bisexual legend during pride month
There are also lots of boyish lesbians that are just boyish because thats their aesthetic or lifestyle without identifying as a guy in any way, but other than that this whole story was hella cool. Thanks for the representation! Also just wanted to mention that its not necessarily only divided by tachi or neko, but there are also people that are both. These are just some things i wanted to add as a fellow lesbian/bi girl who has never fallen for a guy ^^;
Same. Mildly offending to hear her say that shit as a butch lesbian.
@@JR-qt8qb To be fair, she was speaking from her perspective of the Japanese LGBTQ+ community, which *is* quite different from the "western" one. Sure, it doesn't make it less offensive, but it's somewhat important to know that it's probably just down to the differences of the "western" and the Japanese LGBTQ+ community rather than pure malice.
I thought she was joking when she said she wanted to go to Hololive to kiss all of the girls
Turns out she was likely being completely serious
Here to pay homage to a true legend. SKB will never be the same.
goodbye nijis biggest lesbian 😢 i really enjoyed her stream
4:43 -- Gundou the chad.
Most vtubers: "hehe im a kawaii anime girl uwu"
This lady: "i went to a lesbian bar lol"
Looks at Hololive, Nijisanji and Vshojo
Press x to doubt
this makes me incredibly happy to see a popular vtuber who's a wlw (woman-loving-woman).
as another bisexual girl, we hardly ever see any positive representation. it's always fetishized or hardly spoken about like it's a taboo. to see someone with such a platform discuss it in a positive light? finally treating this sexuality as a normalcy in conversation? i couldn't tell you how brave she is.
ok, I love that she is able to talk about this topics freely. I don't like it when they are shown as taboo or as something that doesn't exist (like when some people say they are just joking). And I love that she uses specific words like lesbian, gay, and transgender, instead of stuff like "crossdressing" or "bl" or "yuri", bc I think these other terms are kind of downplaying real experiences of real people and labeling as just a kink.
Anyway, thank you for the translation and for the introduction to Gundou Mirei :)
Crossdresser and transgender are a whole different thing tbh
why do you writed crossdresser? Crossdressing has nothing to do with lgbt or your sexual orientation. It's just mean that you wear opposite gender clothes not that you want to transition to the opposite gender it's not the same thing.
@@narudayo5053 That's their point. People who just look at it as fetishes dont understand the difference and misuse terms.
@@yoursonisold8743since. It's has no need to be pointed here. Maybe the words futanari or shemale but not crossdressing.
@@narudayo5053 well, it is pretty related, as transgender are people whose their gender identity doesn't match with their biological gender, and crossdressing is a practice which consist in wearing clothes that are not associated with the gender's person doing it. So, one doesn't imply the other one but it's not like it "has nothing to do with lgbt or your sexual orientation".
Interesting. As a lesbian myself, most people in all the online circles I’m in prefer more masculine women, I guess it’s a cultural difference? And it doesn’t have to mean you’re trans, gender roles don’t correlate with gender after all. Personally I’m nonbinary, lesbianism is my only connection to womanhood. I guess you can think of it this way: calling myself a “woman” feels wrong, I’m definitely not, but calling myself a “women who loves women” feels completely right. It’s only in a lesbian context that I feel somewhat like a “girl”, but in the long term I’m not. Though I doubt this would make sense to a non lesbian.
No offense, but I dont think that makes a lot of sense to most lesbians either. Understanding nonbinary is entirely removed from homosexuality. I cant even remotely understand what that is like and I'm trying to be more open-minded than most.
As for many lesbians prefering butch/masculine girls, well that's certainly a more recent trend as far as I can see. We've already broken out of the old faux gender roles BS where a butch has to love femmes and vice versa, but I do notice that in Japan there are far more femmes in general. And they tend to like femmes more as well. So that might indeed be a cultural thing.
Yourson Isold Dont worry I’m not offended, you’re being very respectful about not understanding. There’s actually a lot more nonbinary lesbians than you’d think, a lot of people who understand my experiences. I’ve even seen Japanese nonbinary lesbians on twitter! It’s not all unheard of. It doesn’t have to be removed from homosexuality, but the common misunderstanding is that “nonbinary” always means “neither male nor female”, when all it means is you don’t fit into the strict boxes of “either completely male or completely female”. It means your gender is divergent from that “binary” in some way, so it can mean a lot of things and be very fluid and complex!
i think this makes perfect sense to me, because gender doesnt equal sexuality. you can be nonbinary and not coincide with society's gendered roles and still know that you are a lesbian. i am the same way! i mostly use they/them pronouns but in a basic sense, i do present as a girl. i just dont necessarily feel my identity fits in with the binary of woman/man that society has created. i think that's completely understandable because gender roles can be exhausting and more often than not restricting and demeaning. you can totally express your gender freely and know who you're attracted to! i believe nonbinary and trans lesbians have always belonged within this circle. gender and sexuality might cross paths on some occasions, but they dont rely on each other. i can see that this might be confusing for those who dont really question their gender identity much? either way, i do agree that ive seen a lot of lesbians prefer masculine women, at least in my country. but im the opposite, ive always been a femme who prefers other femmes, but its just up to personal preference in the end! :)
This is one of the best explanations for non-binary lesbians I’ve seen imo
I don't want to be rude but i think a lot of 'non binary' lesbians have some sort of internalised mysogyny going on. It's fine to accept yourself as a woman who's a lesbian, i don't really get why you believe you are not a woman.
always knew gundou was a mega-chad
its also really nice hearing a Vtuber openly talk about being LGBT, its nice to feel like who you are isnt some coy secret
“What happened to GunKan?”
“Gone, reduced to ashes.”
My thoughts hahajau
but don't be desperate, there is still hope, she didn't said she wasn't into guys, so there is a chance... a slight chance but still a chance !
I mean she said she was bi not full on lesbian lmao. I feel like she just has a large preference for girls, and is more comfortable with talking about girls. I'm also like this so its not that we don't like guys, we just don't like/talk about them as much.
@@rigierish3807 She basically admitted that she sleeps around, she's not the type of person to get attached. Even if she hooks up with Kanda (probably has already if it ever was going to happen), it would be short-lived.
@@gamechannel1271 Yeah, I just said that for kidding, but I saw some information about her, and indeed, when I see with how much she slept with, I can't but agree with what you said
I tried really hard to keep up with the lesbian terms but it's still really hard.
I respect her for being so open about being a lesbian.
> Roa-chan is really my type
ouch :[
Why ouch?roa is adorable
@@dipucena1049 well dont you know what happen about two of them?
@@タマ48 what happened ?
@@srslykaveh back then mirei and roa are used to be really really close like for real they always do collab stream together all the time especially in minecraft. And belmond is actually quite really close to the both of em too the 3 of em quite often do minecraft collab back then (thats how belmond is close to roa till this day). But suddenly i dont know what happen back then mirei and roa were not close again like they usually did. And back then i watched roa stream and she talk about what happened to her and mirei, she said that while crying she is afraid that maybe or somehow she will just become burden to mirei since mirei was always helping her out and always reach her out. And eventually in one of mirei stream some viewers are asking why mirei didn't do collab anymore with roa and she said that mirei herself are afraid and didn't want to make roa's image become bad since you know what is like mirei (she always doing perverted jokes and everythings) she just doesnt want to make roa's image bad because of her thats why they didn't do any collab stream anymore till this day.
Thats all i hope my explanation are clear enough since my english is not really that well.
@@srslykaveh and all of this thing happened quiete a long time ago around almost 1 and half year ago if im not mistaken
Don't you love how people miss the date of the stream this clip is from and the fact that she mention she bi multiple times.
Yes, and?
I mean afaik she's also mentioned she's only sexually attracted to men, not romantically, in her bio which is why she refers to herself as both bi and a lesbian.
@It gets better m.facebook.com/VYkusa/posts/499248450782558
This is the post I found it mentioned, I haven't been able to find the specifics being mentioned bc my Japanese is not strong enough to go archive diving, but its consistent with her statements here
@It gets better It was never alive from the beginning, but yeah i think it is, to be honest that was the main reason i watched both of them, i won't say i do not watch any of them now, im not judging of course to each their own, its like why would you watch a romance anime when somebody already spoiled you that the MC is gonna be alone at the end...you get me?
@@carloscedillos9407 i can't for the life of me understand you people shipping vtubers, even less when your shipping is the only reason you actually watched them. Like at the end of the day these are people, not anime characters. Do you watch twitch streamers hoping they'll bone someday? ...idk maybe the wrong approach is mine but i just watch them as personalities and game streamers. You don't even know what they actually look like or are like irl, whats your ''ship'' based on lmao. Point proven by the fact that mirei doesn't even like men yet 90% of the shippers either choose to ignore the fact or flat out don't know kek
Big props to Ichikara respecting people of different sexual orientations and Mirei for opening discussions about deeper and more personal gender topics.
So that's why GunKan can only be friends.
I only just found out. I'm a bit sad they'll only be friends.. but well, each to his own
I mean... she’s Bisexual with a preference for girls. She could still end up falling for a guy and it wouldn’t contradict anything she’s said.
@@Prodigi50 She is Bi, and she has slept with many people mostly woman but it can be also males, so.... Kanda is a man, she and Kanda are close... In my head they already did it and no one can change my mind in that. IT'S CANON
@@jheyderbismarcklopezartavi3834 Lol. I wouldn’t take it that far but their dynamic is WAY too couple-like for me to accept that they’re just friends. Especially when Kanda can so easily fluster her when she’s quite experienced with relationships.
@@Prodigi50 Sexual experience and relationship experience are two different things. Sounds to me like she's had a lot of what equates to one night stands.
Title: on being a lesbian
Her: I’m bi
Lesbians tend to get more views then us bi people
Mirei knows that the really girly girls in dresses and stockings are massive tops
This is a quick change from when she's usually around Kanda
She usually compose when she does stream by herself
But whenever she with kanda, she became like thst
gundou-sensei bless us with some knowledge about lesbian world :">
btw, i think in SKB, gundou is the one with most experience, and the one with no exp is ange xD
as a lesbian, it's a pretty nice change of pace to see vtubers talking openly about this stuff, ESPECIALLY trans people. most of the time, lgbt stuff is either teased for the sake of shipping or ignored entirely.
I watched it all with a silly smile on my face and at some point, I felt my eyes watering.
I don't know. I think it is the first time I hear a wlw - bisexual especially - talking so casually, candidly, and truthfully about her dating experience. I had a certain image about how wlw dating would go, but it was built by the internet so I hardly trusted it, so yes, this was definitely nice, to hear someone with similar tastes, that hasn't content focused on the community - you know, someone you do not expect to talk about it-, talk about this, and like that. The experience made me genuinely happy and my heart lighter.
I think this is my favorite vtuber clip.
Shout out to her IRL students that know her both as their teacher and Gundou Mirei tho.
they have bracelets to separate tops and bottoms, they are living in the future
We lost such an extremely based individual
ive never seen a JP vtuber actually talk about sexuality without tiptoeing around it before. this is really relieving, somehow
Kinda saddens me that asia in general is still at the level that people will ask you if you want to become a man when hearing you're a lesbian. The weeb demographic that watches these vtubers is also full of such bigots, even in the west. This comment section is surprisingly mostly civil but there's some in here too. Gotta admire her for saying of all of this to such an audience, knowing she might lose sub counts over it. Especially since the shippers weirdos make up a big part of her fanbase
Space Cats there is the fact media and news talk and feature more of transgenders or crossdressing entertainers rather than homosexuality itself or normal cis gay people so i'm afraid the image people have on the word gay is immediately transgenders cause that's what they are accustomed to seeing, the fact she can openly express herself with her audience shows how much she trust her fans which is pretty cool
they ask people this in America too what's this about "Asia" lol
don't make weird assumptions about things when you don't know anything
there certainly are serious issues gay and trans ppl in japan but do not speak for them if you are ignorant to their struggles
as an american i don't want anyone speaking for me and taking pity on me if they can't understand what we put up with here lol
Everyone talking about how wild this reveal is and im like bruh her voice sounds so different when she isnt going "NEEEE!" or messing around with the other members xD
Dang, she's brave.(particularly when you consider japan's.. not quite there yet in regards to gay rights/general acceptance of people of different orientations though it's getting better ofcourse and then you couple that with vtubers tending to get harassed for ever daring to have a romantic connection to anyone because of obsessive creeps) Props to her just being so casual about it.
That's mostly hololive due to their idol title, nijisanji doesn't have that (for the most part)
lesbian CHAD doesn't remember her body count. I Stan
I just realized Japanese often refers Lesbians for either "Lez" or "Bian". I wonder what's the difference tho... 🤔
@Adam Evans I see. Somehow I have a feeling that I've heard this somewhere before. Maybe from one of the many vtuber clips, but I can't remember which one... Thanks. 🙏
"What's your body count?"
*intense contemplation* "I lost count"
What an absolute chad
THIS IS A W FOR THE LESBIANS WOOOO
So when's Marine + Gundou offcollab
damn the "boy tachi" and "fem tachi" talk, i am glad it's universal lmao it's hard
I always love coming back to this video and hearing her stories
i learned a lot from the video, and its really cool both ichikara and the public has an open minded attitude towars these themes
Wow, thank you for clipping and translating. It's really interesting to see how different and unique lesbian culture is in japan :o
That Chitose popping made me skip a beat :'( Thanks for the translation !
Same ma fren...glad shes doin good now
@@hepburnromanization2024 dont forget to check her new song guys 😉
It’s pretty weird that a lot of V-tubers aren’t very open about this stuff, maybe it’s a cultural thing but I think having more entertainers like V-tubers being open about them being LGBT+ could really help some people who are perhaps shy or uncomfortable about expressing themselves, I’ve known many people who felt much more confident about coming out when a person they looked up to also came out and they weren’t even celebrities a lesbian friend of mine actually came out after one of her teachers came out as gay
Komi-San Must be Protected you’re right, it’s probably a cultural thing. LGBT in mainstream Japan is more fanservicey and fetishized than anything, and it’s esp prevalent in Vtubers w/ their てえてえ and shit like that. Suddenly becoming serious and actually coming out with sincere feelings could potentially block out some fans who look at lesbianism/gay culture through rose-tinted glasses. It sucks but I agree with you in Vtubers being potential role models in LGBT fans.
@@2525-j7b Yes it is a cultural thing. Japan is better than most Asian cultures tho. but its still not the best for LGBT issues.
Its getting better and better.
Some of the main issues are due to media portrayal. Some of THE earliest Yuri Mangas all had tragic endings most of them being "It was just a phase in high school" This would confuse a lot of young people still discovering stuff about themselves.
The Media also portrayed Lesbian relationships as just sexual , Yes they are sexual but lesbian couples also seek companionship like normal couples.
While most Young Japanese people support same sex rights and marriage, The current ruling party are against it.
I think if the ruling party was in support, I think a lot more people would be open about it ...but its the way things are.
Sadly being a Vtuber is not about being a role model, but about making money. Tackling LGBT issues is intensely unpopular for Japanese entertainment. Even worse for places like Hololive who is a wannabe idol agency.
Nijisanji is somewhat more open minded in a lot of regards, but they also mostly give their talent a "You swim or drown on your own" attitude. If there is backlash they will let the Vtuber take it on their own mostly (unless they are the golden cash cow or in the idol-like artist position). Remember, even Sukoya and Tomoe almost didnt get together because Tomoe feared the fan backlash that would hurt Sukoya. Even now they dont use the words dating or going out etc.
i think part of it too is that they're still playing characters -
depending on how excessive the character is, e.g. you're a freaking 1000 year old vampire dragon queen ruler of the seven kingdoms style, you're gonna be less inclusive about bringing your real self into a vtuber environment *but* still the cultural thing is definitely relevant too though. the lgbt stigma/struggle is real sadly, and the hypocrisy is also real when it comes to yuri/yaoi manga/anime yet they might dislike IRL lesbians/gays.
currently, you'd at best see japan tackling lgbt issues only through social media/youtube, like through gay couple channels, opinion channels (e.g. "that japanese man yuta") and such.
Stop saying that she is LGBT+ tf ? Her being a bisexual does not mean she is part of a community. LGBT+ is a community. If it's not how about adding straight in there as well. Basically anyone who is not straight is part of a community to you people. Just imagine a community for every straight person or a community for every handicapped person. Not every straight or handicapped guy would want to be part of a community. A lot of people don't wish to be represented by some group. There are plenty of homosexuals who don't like the LGBT+ community or even pride month.
I don’t know if I agree with what she says about lesbians tbh, a lot of her viewpoints are heavily gendered based on a guy/girl dynamic but I think I’m realizing that Japanese culture, especially gay culture is very limited on that.
Yeaaah. Equating being a top with "taking the male role" and the whole "They want to like girls as men" bit was. weeeird. Not sure if i was misunderstanding, but it seems like she was kind of equating "boyish" girls/lesbians with trans men? Im not sure if its the translation, and i know that it doesnt seem to be that uncommon for trans men to identify as butch lesbians before realizing they are trans, but to imply that MOST butch lesbians are transmasc seems. weird, unless Japan somehow has more closeted trans men who identify as butch than cis butch lesbians. Which seems kind of unlikely?
I think it’s a cultural thing. When the translation said “take the role of the guy”, the original Japanese word she’s using is “seme” which literally means “attack”, but in the context of dating, it means to take the lead, make a move, approach first. This role in Japanese culture is predominantly saved for the guys, since even now in dating culture I get the strong impression there is a very painfully clear-cut distinction of what a man and a woman are supposed to do. Just reading our love or dating advice articles will give you an idea of what’s the prevalent view. Men and women who don’t fit these stereotypes definitely exist, but again, Japan’s gender roles are alive and well.
edit: just realized you posted this comment a year ago sorry for not checking the date oof
@@rosemary8136 Yeah I do know that Japanese views on homosexual relationships still follow that whole top versus bottom dynamic, and you see that used quite often in many BL and GL media.
I would like to see more homosexual relationships portrayed in a more neutral/egalitarian sense where both parties mutually engage with each other in Japanese media.
Hoshikawa: Chotto matte, what about gunkan?
Veteran Gundou fans: Gone, reduced to atoms.
i love people like this being open about their sexuality, we all need it in this society
queen of being herself
So if I'm going to the bar she goes, I can meet her? Interesting 👀
Lemme join you, my ghei fren. 😌
If you can find the right bar in Tokyo maybe. Good luck with that lol
@@yoursonisold8743 tbh lez bars are so rare you might find at most 10 of them at a certain vicinity within Tokyo... Kind of dangerous lol
@@kennymuliamin2631 Oh I know they are hidden, but it's all about knowing where to look. Tokyo has quite a strong scene actually, compared to most of the rest of the country. Only place that compares is Osaka.
shes so real for this
It's even harder to find someone the older you get, and girls think you're being friendly when you're trying to flirt. And I can definitely tell she's a top ahaha. But yeah. For me I was a late bloomer, didn't have my first kiss until 18, and didn't even know until after high school..
Surprisingly civil comments here.
As for why Roa is Gundou's type, there's a reason why Lulu ended up kissing Roa ;)
I remember seeing a translated video about that, it happened at some live show that Nijisanji had. At that same show, Lulu asked to and received permission from Gibara to lift her skirt and look at her panties. Honestly, Lulu seems a lot more cultured than I think most people realize. But yeah from what Lulu said, Roa is apparently really cute in person.
Meanwhile the women from the story that just happened to be watching her for some reason “i knew that voice sounded familiar”
Everyone just needs to accept that she loves women,I don't known why people are digging this up so much.
absolute icon!!! and i love that she also mentions the trans community inside her lesbian community, but also acknowledges that as a cis person she doesn't entirely understand them so she refrains from speaking further. you know she could have easily just ignored talking them as they are "on a different world" but she's still honest about her thoughts. such a rare and understanding perspective. personally i'm not a lesbian nor AFAB but i am trans nonbinary so naturally those are the kinds of communities i happen to become part of often, i'm more familiar with that side of the LGBT community spectrum. (the T side, essentially) it's just so validating to hear any mention of it among vtuber discussions, really
Ive learned a surprising amount of the Lesbian community in Japan today. How nice.
none of this surprised me tbh. but the thing i found funny was how when she talked about reply of ichikara, she sounded exactly like kuzuha and all i could think was damn kuzuha is high up in the hierarchy
Oh nooo this cracked me up 😭😭😭
@Ace Gonzales nothing really its just that at 8:51 or so when she says iin janai su ka, it sounds like a kuzuha impression
I'm so happy that she can talk about her sexuality freely and no one judges her especially that we all know vtuber community consists of mostly males.
Thanks for the translation
Intriguing. Thanks for translating this
WHAT omg I’m so glad I found her, as a lesbian I’m so happy to have found a vtuber who shares her experiences so casually. I’m sure she’ll be my favorite vtuber now. Lesbians and sapphics truly have won this time✨
"I lost count"
If that aint chad material, i dont know what is
This was a pretty interesting insight into the non straight dating scene in Japan
It's good to hear the company was chill about it too. That's probably not true for a lot of idol groups, even today.
Less chance of boy 'trouble' / pregnancy leave ;)
As much as we want gunkan to happen. The fact is they are colleges and if they date and broke up it could cause awkwardnes in the air
Her voice is so nice! So kind and calming
randomly stumbled upon this video (i dont watch nijisanji, but i watch other vtubers) and i wasnt expecting this random vtuber to say trans rights, i love that for her
Did she? Unless the translation was weird or i completely misunderstood what she meant she kinda just seemed to conflate boyish/butch lesbians with trans men, say its an entirely different world from being a lesbian and move on.
*Scientific note taking intensifies*
ah, i love finding sapphic vtubers.
Nijisanji sure is a place with kind people
Finally some Bi rep in the vtuber community
海外だと更に捉え方が違う人もいてコメントを見てて面白い
2次元だからこそ越えれる壁があるんですね
*Imagine telling "I lost count"*
🤣🤣😄😃😌😟
Things aside was pretty fucking awesome that Nijisanji was like: "Eh!m I would I have problems?"
"how do you view lesbian relationships?"
"in live2d"
it’s so interesting hearing how different those with different cultures/languages talk about sexuality and gender! especially from this “insider” perspective