Joanna Moncrieff - The Myth of the Chemical Cure: The Politics of Psychiatric Drug Treatment
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- UNE Center for Global Humanities and its founding director, Anouar Majid, host Joanna Moncrieff on "The Myth of the Chemical Cure: The Politics of Psychiatric Drug Treatment." This event was recorded on February 25, 2013.
It sickens me that psychobabblers tell their patients "You have a chemical imbalance' -- WITHOUT drawing their blood to diagnose their chemical imbalance, while they prescribe chemicals to balance the nonexistent chemical imbalance. And they say WE'RE crazy??? Lol.
I like your name, i hope you fully recovered from baptism 😄😆
The powerful decide what is healthy and what is unhealthy. How dare you question the status quo lol.
I am chronically suicidal since I am on different types of pills.
The powerful belong in Hell.
I haven't watched this yet but this reminds me of my situation a lil ; I'm going to a Dr cuz I feel as if Im talking to myself without realizing it common side effects of a dissociative disorder btw, but a guy who barely knows me says my fear that I'm talking to myself without realizing is just paranoid schizophrenia which could be true......, but just begs to wonder still...., if I really am , and the whole thing again is just a dissociative disorder...? this is what I tried to tell them in the hospital too , and they weren't having that either, they denied that it was that just like my current Dr , idk? if Drs have something against dissociative disorders in the field? or maybe I the one experiencing these symptoms is just a paranoid schizophrenic with like I said no tests being done 🤔...........
The psychiatrists do not discuss things with patients anywhere near enough, they are ignorant and arrogant.
They're doing what the Nazis did during World War II, eugenics, chemical castration, mind control, etc., etc. Basically, legalised murder. Yet they get away with it. We need another Nuremberg to deal with these scumbags.
I got off medication years ago and never had been depressed again..
When a person sees a psychiatrist, their diet is never questioned. A highly sensitive person for example, on a long term diet of junk food, stimulants, caffeine, aspartame, msg, sugar etc and severely lacking in vital nutrients may end up with anxiety, depression, sleep issues, adhd etc. If the diet was addressed first then how many of those people would get better without drugs? Nutrition and chemicals in food plays such a massive role in brain health. I do wish the medical and psychiatric professions would wake up to this.
I had the above diet when i was younger, i was put on prozac for mild depression. 25 years later i had to quit it due to side effects (tinnitus and hyperacusis, which are now permanent) and went into a full psychological chaos. I started with severe tic based OCD, anxiety, phobias, deep depression, paranoia, insomnia etc. So far its been 2 years off the drug and still in the throes of this, what i have learned is called 'protracted withdrawal syndrome' . Ive read it can take as long as FOUR YEARS to recover!
looking back, i know now that all i had to do was change my diet, not take drugs! Im health conscous now but what a hard lesson i learned. Words cannot do my suffering justice,and all because some GP gave me prozac.
Im in the U.K and on benefits, so can only afford Nhs treatment. Throughout all this 2 year period of absolute hell I have had no support, other than 50 mins a week with a counsellor. And i was suicidal for tge first 18 months... begged A&E for help 3 times, they sent me home with a tamazepam pill. Shocking how i made it....i must be verystrong, but how many do kill themselves????
1:14:15 mins in a man asked a perfectly reasonablecquestikn about glutamate. She LAUGHED at him! I am not impresed!!!!!!
You are strong. I can't imagine the struggle you've gone through. Keep it up! You can get through this, whether it's 4 years or not. We are not merely physical, we are spiritual beings (not trying to push religion on you, I left religion after 30some years of it).
It's not just nutrition that is severely lacking in this discussion, it's any thought that the sum of our parts is only physical (and how the mental ties to that is regardless of my point); especially with the disease paradigm. It utterly fails to consider that the problem doesn't stem from physical chemicals. They play their part but they are only a part of the issue, if at all.
We are spiritual beings inside physical bodies, obviously connected. Otherwise, none of this would matter.
We are not alone in this issue. There are spiritual entities that are doing us harm (whether one wants to call them demons or not doesn't really matter at this point). Especially to those who use certain drugs (meth is probably one of the worst ones).
Look into Jerry Marzinsky's book about schizophrenia. He documents evidence of some of these entities. It's not irrefutable proof but I think he's on to something here.
Other ways of describing the phenomena covered in his book would probably lead to conspiracy theories but thankfully he does not pursue that avenue.
@@ambergray4168 She laughed because she was amused by his psycho babble.
With so many medical people writing and talking about the inherent problems with the disease model and and devastation of subsequent treatments, why is so little of this reaching prescribing doctors? This is a very well considered presentation of the material. I only wish there would have been time to talk more about the moral issues and consideration of the incredible wealth the drug companies are making on the backs of human guinea pigs.
I'm really concerned about forced "treatment." What can we do to prevent this?
I really think Psychiatrist's are MAD
Every medical student and medical doctor in the United States, especially those in the psychiatric side of medicine should watch this eye-opening talk that challenges the current paradigm of how we view the patient usage of psychiatric drugs
Very Insightful Lecture.All Psychiatrists need to listen to her.
There's a reason why psychiatrists are called Head-Shrinks until now I never knew psychoactive substances actually shrink the size of the brain. Psychiatry assumes that the drugs are beneficial... brain damage is a known side effect as well as the total loss of a sex drive
The main side effect I seem to have post-antipsychotics is a total lack of trust in the medical profession.
Drugs came about when we were just understanding how to treat people, without medications, We were breaking away from psychoanalysis and starting to become person centred.
People were learning that feelings and thoughts and actions had meaning that could effect our physiology.
It is too bad we went so far down the rabbit hole of medications. They became over used just like Penicillin.
We have lost hope in our selves and our networks and ability to solve our problems and people have bought into the belief that we are victims of some terrible brain imbalance. What a message we have sent to people. I do not think this was deliberate, but as sheep we often followed. Good for people who challenge this.
One of the great drug companies pr campaigns.
Medications should never be a long term treatment if possible.
Ms. Andre, what an eloquent and insightful reply. Although I feel out of my league amongst these well thought out replies, your comment resonated with me. Thank you for your thoughtful reply. From a patient's point of view, over-prescribing shut me down and left me wanting more medication. Whereas slowly lowering the drug therapy to a very small dosage and amping up various methods of talk therapy over a longer period of time, was what I needed badly. It helped me to gather myself just enough to be able put an intelligent thought together. After that, I was able to recognize, challenge, and alter maladaptive core beliefs and coping skills. Today I observe in others, a lack of commitment in the process of healing one's self with talk therapy and the help of psych medication. In most cases when one's life comes to a screeching halt the process of changing one's self must be taken as seriously as all of the other most important duties in one's life for however long it takes. In my opinion, anything less than that will result in a life not completely fulfilled.
Carrol Andre i am a patient educated fairly well in psychiatry thanks to the Kaplan book, many lectures etc..
I think we need a combination of a diganosis-centric model, spirituality, mindfulness practices really just biology *and* lifestyle. The nature vs. nurture dichotomy is a false one. Genes are altered in their expression due to experience, and altered genes alter experience. Many dichotomies we take for granted are false, because one defines the other. Medications in psychiatry aren't all bad, and Thorazine *was* a breakthrough. Is it wonderful for all schizophrenic symptoms? No. It's only really good for the positive symptoms, and for negative symtoms all that really is around to help right now are amphetamine medications.. to push through that avolition (poverty of will), alogia (poverty of speech), and the anhedonia (inability to feel pleasure). Unfortunately the negative symptoms of schizophrenia, even though they are the *defining core* of schizophrenic symptoms, are often ignored and if we can get the patient to just be at home and sit on the couch all day locked in a gaze with the television we've maybe taken him or her from a -8 to a -3. This is why I like 'positive psychology'. We can focus in psychiatry and psychology on a lot more than just making really ill patients well enough to stay at home. We can actually get some of them better than your average 'control' person who is not severely ill. I'm schizoaffective and my Vyvanse (dextroamphetamine essentially) gives me enough dopamine to actually engage in some online conversations like this one, and actually care about some things if only for about 4 hours a day. It's better than nothing.
Personally I know how I feel unmedicated. I was for about 4 months in rehab a year ago... and it wasn't pretty. I was totally dull and asocial, avoiding people etc.. I'm still like that but not quite as bad. It's about quality of life. I don't like *judgemental psychiatry* where people who are non violent but extremely different culturally are deemed 'dangerous' and institutionalized. I don't like the practice of restraints, and I question electro seizure-inducing treatment. It's supposedly riidiculously effective for mania, depression, psychosis etc.. but so is LSD-25 ("acid"), seriously. As well as psilocybin in mushrooms.
What if psychiatrists became modern shamans, and administered LSD and Psilocybin to patients in a comfortable and controlled setting, minimally guiding them when necessary and resolving their internal conflicts? Well that's all for now. Psychiatry has a way to go, but it doesn't need to be abandoned because neuroscience needs to catch up to some other fields of science.
What bothers me is what I already stated. Psychedelics are already known to diminish psychotic and neurotic feeling and behavior and the more good trips consecutive, the more reduction. There are books on this, take a look at your local library.
Carrol Andre Medications have their place, but are often used as a prophylactic measures and often people become meshed in the medical system for life.
Carrol Andre What do you mean by "if possible"? ANY part of one's life during which treatment using anti-depressant medications is dumped on your body pushes one further from health, and the possibility of re-gaining it -they are intrinsically POISON, which is how they can affect your brain. If you were not well before, good luck after you start getting manipulated. So you are still suicidal and possibly homicidal, but you like yourself! GREAT!
+Carrol Andre No i came of mine fuck that i was taking quatipine for 5 years then in january of this year came of it straight away was taking 50 mg was seferring from chronic anxiety not nice but 11 monthes in strtign to feel better heart pulpertations have stopped pains in my heart have eased of came of sugar on breakfast and cups of tea improved my diet startign to exercise more so it all helps but dont wish bipoler dissorder on anyone lol
I was diagnosed schizo-active after I was really dumb and smoked meth and had a psychotic episode, then I was put on invega. taking it for awhile thinking I was schizo I thought nothing of it. Then I thought. "I'm better now I don't need this" and the withdrawal effect caused me to be psychotic and I was back into the system and told "No you're schizo" Twice! So now I'm educated on the topic and I see no way to get off these meds. I was totally fine before hand if not depressed but that's much more manageable then psychosis. So basically I'm in a feedback loop with little hope left to escape this terrible drug.
I never have done drugs since I was let out the back door by nurse..and told to run..
Trailblazer Extraordinaire... Thank You Kindly. From A Survivor Of The Psychiatric "Commune-Ity."
Psychiatrists, families, people will do anything to avoid confronting the real causes of mental illness.
This idea that psychosis is toxic to the brain and that if let untreated with anti-psychotics will lead the person into dementia is the biggest selling point. People get afraid and they start using those drugs forever, and the number of drugs tend to increase with time. This is one of the best presentations I ever saw, I normally don't have any interest in psychiatry, but I had a girlfriend that was esquizoaffective with bipolar disorder. She took pills all day long, but that wouldn't stop her from throwing epic tantrums. So I told her to stop all those pills, something that she wanted already, and she stopped and was very well and very happy for 7 months. She never stopped the mood oscillations and all those problems, but she had a very passionate and caring side as well. Then she became psychotic and I was blamed for that. Her family forbade me to see her, but two years later, even heavily medicated, she became psychotic again. They give her 6 medications daily, that's simply insane, more than her insanity itself. But we do need some drugs.
Polyparmacy kills and the same doctors who load people up don’t bother to help them get off carefully. They only know how to experiment with drugs because they have nothing else. That’s how they get paid. Some of us have had to learn the hard way about this. They rip people off the meds then say they’re more crazy and they need them without considering the withdrawal effects and habituation of the brain to the chemicals. They deny real side effects and call patients treatment resistant if they complain. The worst thing a person can do is trust this field to know what they’re doing. They don’t.
I really enjoyed this talk. As a hypnotherapist working with clients with "depression", it can sometimes be difficult but if they can get it, a more useful model is to see depression instead of a disease but as a strategy(though not very empowering) to deal with unfulfilled needs
+James Quinn When a persons rational options are socially cut off from them to resolve lifes issues, they feel powerless. THIS IS DEPRESSION Deoression is not a strategy. Depression is a an intellectual and emotional condition of social strategy death implemented by the social environment.
there is no such thing as depression, only thieving doctors that get a HUGE kickback for prescribing this SHIT... Both my mother and my grand-mother were prescribed this SHIT, back in the ‘50’s. Changed their personalities completely, made them angry..... GET OVER IT, think positive thoughts, count your blessings, and pray.... This too will pass...........
@@valeriejewell2015 Thats a very dangerous perspective as depressed people carry a high risk of suicide. "Get over it" is not proper medical advice.
@@jaderoylance1669 however, I have seen in several generations of my own family and with other people that once they are on these psychoactive medications suicide attempts increase. Do you think there is a correlation?
While some may turn a blind eye to this glaring possibility, others are willing to sit with the question and look at the evidence in a deeper way.
Exactly my words all the time! Depression is a self-defence mechanism, not a disease!
That 3rd women Gail who was asking questions who disputed the work of Joanna Moncrieff and respectfully disagrees and complains about Joanna choosing contemporary studies and older generation drugs. Gail claims that the newer drugs are more beneficial. Myself totally disagree with Gail as I have witnessed my schizophrenic brother during the past 22 years has been prescribed 18 different combinations of anti-psychotic both old and new generation and the newer anti-psychotics have been far worse for my brother to the point he is now back on the original medication he was on 22 years ago which is an older generation drug. I have also been attending carer and service user groups for 18 years now and know of many other patients who have had exactly the same problems and all agree the newer medications are horrendous. The disease centred model is bullshit and has almost cost the life of my brother. Nutrition and other alternative therapies are the key to recovery and not antipsychotics.
Stephen luke, i have worked in psychiatry as a sosial worker for nigh on twenty years. I have worked on the floor and at least tacitly under the orders of psychiatrists the whole time. Im recovering from some kind of burnout after managing to complete a degree in sosial science. A whole food, sugar FREE diet changed my life. I look at the pills we daily give our patients. And then i get to thinking that we do absolutely nothing to stop them from over indulging in fast foods whilst under our care. The notion that a pill would be the game changer and not chronic bad diet strikes me as ludicrous. And ive been working under these pompous, smug and entitled doctor (and shrinks mind you) all this time... I think i have let myself and others down by not thinking clearly about what i personally enabled and also the fact that i failed to question the authorities in this matter. It is all a bit of a sham but sosial prejudice holds it all in place still in 2018
+Stephen
Please consider the spiritual reality of demon possession in "schizophrenia." Has your brother dabbled in the occult at all? In the Gospels, even some children were demon possessed and needed exorcism.
Look up studies made in the 60's on the use of very high doses of Vitamin B3 (Niacin in the forn of niacinamide) in curing schizophrenia. I believe the late nutritionist Adelle Davis mentions this in her book "Let's get Well".
Hammer Time wow! Thanks for admitting this. It’s the smug egocentric authority figures convincing us they are right because they are sold a lie through marketing 101 experts in big pharm. it’s all about the dough, big house, fancy car and hot chick, the younger the better.
haven't watched the vid yet (is it wrong ot just scroll to the comments?) but after workin in psyche i can assure u the newer antipsychotics cause all that tardive bullshit at at least the same rate as the olds. on my unit our doc prescribes a fuck tone of closaril + zyprexa and we got a shit ton of guys developing TD
absolutely frightening.
thank you for presenting
I think its not just a blanket description of side effects to psychiatric drugs that need to be had but how they interact with the individual and their unique metabolism/genetics. I had a reaction to a gastric drug that is a dopamine antagonist, same mechanism as antipsychotics, I battle with the horrendous effects of this drug every day though I have not taken it for 7 months. In people who react severely to these drugs, suicide is common and there is no treatment.
Was that gastric drug called "Reglan" (Metoclopramide)? Did you get it after having surgery? That drug is an antiemetic(anti nausea)commonly given after abdominal surgeries. I know your comment is from 5 years ago. Hope you have fully recovered by now.
Well, Ms. Moncrieff's ideas made sense for me. More research needed. Why are we all accepting this whole "chemical imbalance" idea? It's only a view, an idea. These drugs "cure" nothing. Especially when they don't know the cause. More research needs to be done. Complacency and accepting that there's some chemical imbalance that is being "cured" by drugs needs serious review... T x
Can't wait to see them identify the abnormality of the regulatory system that causes the "chemical imbalance".
But I doubt that this will pop up since that may lead to a cure and thus put a big dent in the pharmaceutical industries big profits. Psychiatrists would also lose patients, so that too is a no go for the many a folk who love money.
I agree. Her approach is quite reasonable.
Because the biological THEORY effectively exonerates people from taking responsibility for their lives
Patients know more than Drs
... the end
I really like her point at 1:24:50
Treat the person not the label.
How I experience mental health issues
doom,dread,worry,social difficulty,nightmares,sleep problems,depression,intrusive thoughts,suicidal ideation,feelings that life is horrible, a feeling of impossibleness to sufficiently articulate. A miserable frustrated nagging continuous feeling, a fear feeling.
The social as I experience it is antagonistic,hostile,indifferent,unable to understand, bias,cruel, inaccurate or inappropriately,unfairly, attributive or projecting. The social makes me feel horrible and is a main sources of my difficulties.
You can't get it across to others they do not understand mostly or some may to some extent...It is impossible to articulate it. I know on a daily basis for well over a decade I have felt awful.
I generally feel miserable on a daily basis and I engage myself with activities that distract me from the terrible feelings which are constant.
Absolutely Brilliant
Love Joanna Moncrief.... power to her.... I wish she would do a tour of Australia and set up a Critical Psychiatric Network in Australia
The cause of depression is the conclusion that one is powerless in the suppressive social environment.
Well, They Have A Point Cause All Living Creatures Get Depressed And Not All Of Them Take A Pill.
“Pharmaceutical drugs and approach totally maintains the course in ruining lives one generation at a time.”
“Population control 101.”
“Wellness control takes acceptance not a label or synthetics.” ETA🌹
It's dangerous to stop a psych drug suddenly, since that often injures the brain.
If stopped quickly, and serious symptoms arise in the following weeks,
there is a very limited time to restart (followed by a very slow taper).
(those injury symptoms are usually written off as just the original condition returning).
Depending on individual, drug, dose, and duration of use, it can take over a year to safely taper.
I managed to taper off in less than a year, from late 2013 to sometime in 2014. October 2013 was a horrible month. My brother and sister-in-law were in a bad car accident and the driver who ran into them got away with it. They still bear the scars, while he's still walking around. But that incident helped me see that I was right to question why I was taking antipsychotics. "Right." I decided. "I don't like this. I'm going to stop." Which I did. Don't regret it at all.
Psychiatric drugs are prescribed to patients without explaining to those patients the downsides of taking them. We should live in societies where people make informed choices. And if people aren’t allowed to make informed choices, at least explain to them the affects of the pills properly.
That's exactly what happened to me, only seconds after meeting Dr. Drug-pusher. "Take a tablet for me" HE said, as if it was the answer to everything, insinuating that I was the problem. Wrong, wrong, wrong. If I was to meet my younger self today, I'd tell her to hightail it out of there. Don't walk. RUN.
What is about material life that makes people unhappy is the extreme imbalance of wealth which divides society and districts the development of the less fortunate. There is far too much corruption, too many lies, manipulations and deception. Even the media and education system is flawed. We need more open and honest debate and equity for all.
Exactly. Thank you for sharing this.
Anti-depresents made me iller and almost cost my life. I have benefited far better without them.
Stephen Luke me too...efexor withdrawal almost drove me crazy
Gail defends the psych drugs because she is from a pharmacy department. That is no surprise.
We don't need drugs that don't have a disease centered effect. Why do we think we "need" drugs? Why can't we just let people live with a sense of their own own integrity, bodily integrity, autonomy, and/or humanity, and why can't we acknowledge suffering for what it is without taking irrelevant drugs? Whose agenda is it that we "need" certain drugs? Why should the individual have to uphold the values of the state when they have not committed any crime? I really think people should be allowed to live, think, and feel any way they want short of committing a crime like murder. Not everyone is meant to live a certain type of state-approved life.
In 19 years my son still hears voices, still believes unreal things, still thinks there are several Charlies in this world that are him. I have to agree none of the drugs have worked ---so far. We are still looking for and willing to try most anything that will make him think like us "Normal" people. Unfortunately people who work with the brain do not have any immediate gratification which may send really smart people to work on other parts of the body.
It's been said that inssurance companies will NOT pay for treatment / therapy that will heal and / or cure . But , only medication that does neither .
Depression is sadness. Isolation and withdrawal are choices. Happens in the soul not the cells. Broken hearts not broken brains.
Abusers intentionally isolate their targets.
I enjoyed your book, and thank you for sharing this on you tube, Dr. Moncrieff. I greatly respect your courage in challenging the status quo, and speaking the truth. I personally believe there should be a patient based model of care, but do absolutely agree your drug based model of care theory is infinitely better than the current disease based model of care. Especially since it has now been confessed, even by Dr. Thomas Insel, that the current DSM "disorders" are subjective and completely scientifically "lacking in validity." I would also like to say to the pharmacist who questioned you claiming the atypicals were better than the typical antipsychotics, that I dealt with a (confessed in my medical records) "Foul up" with Risperdal within two weeks of being put on it. Risperdal CAUSED a terrifying psychosis, in a woman wrongly put on it. Then this was covered up (by doctors paranoid of malpractice suits, according to all my medical records) with a drug cocktail that consisted of six drugs, all with major drug interaction warnings. And my pharmacist, whose company was false advertising they'd warn their patients of such concerns, said nothing of the fact I was being made sick via "anticholinergic intoxication" by doctors wanting to cover up the fact the atypicals are no better than the old antipsychotics. And I did, just the other day, read an article stating the atypicals are actually more harmful than the old antipsychotics.
KEEP FUCKING TALKING ABOUT IT... DIAH-REE-A OF THE MOUTH... TAKE A FUCKING PILL, or TAKE A BUCKETFUL...
I am an avid #MentalHealthAwareness advocate and performer, and I love this so much. I travel the country trying to bring that awareness on stages, in classrooms, hospitals, and on my TH-cam channel, so I get excited when I see other advocates. 💙❤
Wow. What a wonderful talk!
These are very important ideas, expressed with clarity and concision. Thank you so much for posting this!
bullshit
What about the fact you are at higher risk of developing psychosis due to poverty and deprivation?
There's no proof of that. Plenty of poor people around the world aren't psychotic. Child abuse contributes to psychosis. So if child abuse is rife among the poor, then psychosis will be there.
Stephen Luke mental, emotional, physical abuse, neglect, plus environment plays a part and or some form of chemical or additive such as resulting in an allergic reaction or possibly date rape drugs.
The food industry uses us as lab rats as well.
Population reduction.
They are even killing our food supply. even farmers are commuting Suicide.
You are right! Due to abuse, poverty, bullying, etc.
Psychiatrists underplay the importance of circumstances. Bad life circumstances have an affect on people. People aren’t a priori psychiatrically ill because they have a negative reaction to negative situations. I think a reaction to negative circumstances shows they are emotionally functional human beings. It’s just cheaper to throw pills at people than try to solve the core situational problems.
I was prescribed loads of meds for depression and anxifřety. Most of the psychiatrists were open about having a "throw everything at it and see what sticks" protocol. All I can say is nothing ever helped over 20 years. I felt different at times but never better. The only drug that improved my mood, energy, sociability, and productivity was opioids when prescribed for pain.
excellent take on this new issue, oh man, this has been a pet peeve of this, yes, me as well, I have had docs try to literally pour them down my throat, 3 diff ones at a time, amazing !!.Thank you so very much for making this and helping to educate the people !!!..This was by Kaiser docs and all of them were this way, all of them were very much pushing these meds, It was scary !!
Thank you very much for uploading this. :)
None of the drugs have worked for my daughter and that is a total of 14.
Look up Ray Peat. His approach has helped me. I have sustained a head trauma and only offered anti depressants by medical professionals. Following some of the dietary recommendations by Ray Peat have helped calmed my symptoms...
She said that anti-depressants cause behavioral alterations in "completely normal people." I think more elaboration would have been helpful. For instance, describing that these effects were not related to serotonin.
Being able to predict the diagnosis that a certain psychartrist makes is a red flag they are reading their own symptoms into innocent people.
What a fabulous talk
is body twitching a withdrawal symptom of either Olanzapine and Zoloft
Anti-depressents spawn thaughts of SUICIDE!!!! Many people follow through...................
"The Myth of the Chemical Cure" :-
"A Critique of Psychiatric Drug Treatment"
"The Myth of the Anti-Psychotic" :-
"A Critique of Major-Tranquilliser Drug Treatment"
"The Myth of the Major-Tranquilliser" :-
"A Critique of Parkinson's-Disease Triggering"
“...I don’t have them off the top of my head...”
An academic should be deeply ashamed to utter those words having put forth a rebuttal.
Thank You
Tell that to the families who schools and psychiatric and pharmaceutical who had their children taken..
A big word sadness..and loneliness or bullied..
One doctor will lie and another will swear to it. Oh and how many drink and use drug's themselves.
Very interesting. Thanks for sharing!
Valuable and clarifying talk. I am a bit surprised she did not mention experiments with LSD in the sixties that seemed to indicate that LSD actually had a healing effect on the "illness", not just diminishing symptoms.
Excellent opening statement about scientific facts. However I would say they are shaped by class interests, the interests of private property investors. I am sure that is what she meant by political and social factors
I also wish I could have followed her speech better when she was describing what happened with the benzodiazepene market and the antidepressant market. It is shocking to realize that these illness could be iatrogenic since the symptoms of the illness and the drug effects conveniently "match." I wonder why? Lol, because the drug effects were already known when modeling the DSM 3? No culpability then?
I cant blv someone on the earth think like me . loved the whole thing every single word is true
survivor of benzo shit.
It's also disgusting that doctor's put people on and pull them off. The withdrawal can be debilitating and needs to be done with compassion. Which is not happening and can cause severe depression, seizures, and even suicide. I felt that being on 2 mgs of clonazepam work really well for me. It's unfair to say it doesn't help everyone. Let's get rid of all the psychiatrist also they're the one's who hand them out. People tend to take other over the counter medications. That can be dangerous also. Do any of these people suffer with chronic pain? Do they suffer with a insomnia, anxiety, or being very agitated all the time? Sleep deprivation is and was a thing they would do to prisoner's of war. They tell us get plenty of sleep or not enough sleep can causes so many issues. Have you ever dealt with major insomnia? What a rollercoaster ride the medical field puts us on. I'm starting to absolutely hate doctor's. Wish I would have never worked in the field either. As a nursing assistant I a long with so many other's weren't provided the proper equipment to do our job's. Many of us ended up injuring our backs, shoulders, or necks. We were also subjected to being hurt by Alzheimer's and other mental patient's They would become very combative and could hurt people very baldy. We also had a lot of people who suffered with alcohol induced dementia. Alcohol is such a socially acceptable thing to do though from what I see. Just watch your televisions all the commercials drink responsibly. Please is that possible to do? Next year it will be all of this was all wrong by studies done. Studies on poor animals which I wont even get into.
well said,, thanks..............
01:09:09 the addiction literature definition game played out briefly in real time. Pretty good.
I know a guy who has taken psych drugs for many years who now looks like beaker from muppets.
Did that fellow just say that when he worked in a hospital he could tell who'd sent him a patient simply by the drugs the patient was on; that the prescription patterns were based on the personality of the doctor, not the patient? Self-satisfied turds.
I was a trama victim never been in jail and never got into serious problem ,even today I never been arrested,,,
I got panic disorder not because of any chemical imbalance but because of a substance that I took that made me think I was having a heart attack. The experience was so traumatic that I was left with the fear that my heart had been damaged even though doctors assured me that wasn't the case. I developed false symptoms through my own power of suggestion in the same manner a hypbotist can make you believe ants are crawling all over you. Treating it as a legitimate medical condition gave it the legitimacy in my mind that perpetuated the erroneous thinking that was causing it. I now scour internet forums sharing my experience. I have helped around 30 people overcome this misdiagnosed condition and helped them put their lives back together.
alcohol deficiency needs more research
What is there to say that Tom Szasz didn't already say in his brilliant debunking of psychiatry?
In philosophy there is the "mind Body problem" which has 3 known solutions.
“Earth’s Earliest Ages” by H. G. Pember, on page 253: “Man is a spirit in prison, and so he must be content to abide, until God unlocks the door of his Cell. But if he will have instant enjoyment by a premature excitation of potentialities which are reserved for future development, he can only do so feloniously breaking through his dungeon bars, and thus shattering the harmony of his present nature.” And on pages 255-6 “For our body appears to be not only a prison, but also a fortress, and is, not improbably, devised for the very purpose of sheltering us in some degree from the corrupting influence of demons. In its normal condition it effectually repels their more open and violent assaults: but if once we suffer the fence to be broken down, we are no longer able to restore it, and are henceforth exposed to the attacks of malignant enemies.”
1 Corinthians 15:44........ There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 2 Kings 6:17 And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha. (see the TH-cam video Spirit Science 9 ~Astral Projection) Ecclesiastes 12:6 Or ever the silver cord be loosed,......(by dying) Ecclesiastes 12:7 and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. Ecclesiastes 12:8 Vanity of vanities, saith the preacher; all is vanity. (Temporal material reality is a bubble in eternal spiritual reality)
Compare the above to, the medical model of “Man as a Machine” with the Leonardo da Vinci drawing of a man in a circle (Vitruvian Man) which views the human mind as the product of the body just as a song is the product of a musical instrument. Then consider the human predators known as psychopaths. Thomas Sheridan has a lot of TH-cam videos on Psychopaths. These people are extremely dangerous but wear a "Mask of Sanity" even though they are morally insane “Wolves in Sheep’s Clothing” and “Without Conscience.” I did not read Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's Gulag Archipelago but he is said to have said that he asked the old people why all this happened and they said because we forgot about God and that after Solzhenitsyn did research he could not do a better summary. Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot were political psychopaths. In psychiatric theory as taught in medical school the ultimate goal of every human being is to pass a long as many copies of their DNA as possible and this is evaluated based on adaptation verse maladaptation of Social Darwinism. Psychopaths are the ultimate adapter and the male psychopath has 10-12 kids I have read making them A+ mentally healthy. Fraudian psychiatric theory is based on the evolution of atheistic scientific materialism not the theological standard of good and evil which will not fit into psychoanalysis other than as a type of neurosis or psychosis (Moses talking to an inanimate object, a burning bush). If you believe in Big Bang and Evolution, what that boils down to is that you believe that your great ancestor was a rock while your great progeny will be a self evolving computer. In Scientific American years ago they had an article on machine intelligence which came to the conclusion that machine intelligence will out evolve us but be our offspring. Also in Scientific American Archives creationism is listed as a type of evolution of technology. This atheistic scientific materialistic evolution is supposed to be occurring on many planets (like in Star Trek) so there will be many of these self evolving immortal life forms that primitive people used to think were gods like in Hinduism but atheistic scientific materialism is smart enough to know that they are not gods but rather immortal self evolved life forms.” By Kent Nauman
+Kent Nauman Do an internet search on "DSM religion schizophrenia" under DSM III religious beliefs including LONANG are symptoms of schizophrenia while there is an exemption under DSM 5.1. As to why, Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws on England, Book 1, Sec. “2 Of the Nature of Laws in general, ” page 41 states "This law of nature, being co-eval with mankind and dictated by God himself, is of course superior in obligation to any other. It is binding over all the globe, in all countries, and at all times: no human laws are of any validity, if contrary to this; and such of them as are valid derive all their force, and all their authority, mediately or immediately, from this original." and in the forth book which is criminal law, Blackstone said that the highest crime is treason against God while treason against the king was second. If you look in current books on legal analysis they totally ignore God and the LONANG (Laws of Nature and Nature's God). I have read that this is due to the infamous Erie v Tompkins case.
Before you take these drugs check out the Cytochrome P450 test, but if you are in the UK it is not available, you should petition your policy makers.. it's a human rights issue... study the possible consequence : Akathisia, a horrific condition.
In the 1950's the company that patented Thorazine's intelligence operatives - its leaders - came up with marketing strategies and operations. Biological science and biochemical science were progressing fantastically in the world from sometime in the 1800's (periodic table) through the 1920's (quantum physics) and forward (Linus Pauling, Watson and Crick).
Thorazine marketing involving propaganda presentation favorable to product, and "detail men." Detail men carefully prepared to meet with or speak to certain given demographic groups of individuals or to prepared to meet key individuals in Universities, Government, and Directors of Mental Asylums and so forth.
In the Video Abram Hoffer, M.D. Interview with Jeffrey Bland, Abram states that the Tranquilizers were so profitable in 1956, 1957, 1958 that the drug companies overwhelmed Psychiatry.
Abram Hoffer, M.D. and Humphrey Davies
The drug companies soon mergered utterly with the USA Medical Psychiatry leadership.
They do not have a "dopamine hypothesis" of "schizophrenia." Rather they have hype.
By making this pretense that the only sources of information (whether corrupt, fraudulent or incorrect and mistaken) is the mainstream ones Moncrieff, Double, Breggin and all fail their readers and listeners.
The hypotheses and concepts are not the province or conmen.
Abram Hoffer, M.D., Humphey Osmond, Ph.D., Carl C. Pfieffer, Ph.D., M.D. and the biochemical genius Linus Pauling created the modern Scientific Medical Psychiatry.
This is suppressed. In 1973 a fraudulent 58 page pretend Professional Peer Review was crafted by Thomas A. Ban, M.D. representing the drug companies and the ACNP along with the leadership of the APA and NIMH. This bogus hatchet job couln'd even pretend to be unbiased.
The only valid scholarly way to address Medical Psychiatry is to fully integrate Orthomolecular Psychiatry and its suppression and its non-inclusion in "Critical Psychiatry" and the "C/S/X Movement.
Integrate the Rhetoric. Stand up. A house divided falls.
Chlorpromazine, Olanzapine and Haloperdol and other dopamine 2 receptor blocker major tranquilizer patent drugs easily pass through the blood brain barrier and have both antioxidant and pro-oxidant actions in the brain. These Dopamine 2 receptor blockade drugs also can be antihistamine, anti-fungal, or antibiotic.
Antipsychotic drugs can have part of their affect found in being strong antioxidants that pass through the blood brain barrier.
Prozac causes a raise in BDNF (a nerve growth chemical) in the brain via causing brain damage and having the brain increase BDNF after a couple months on Prozac in an attempt to rally. (! Exclamation point).
Although Prozac and the other SSRIs don't increase the production of serotonin (IE, 5-hydroxytryptamine) (instead they monkeywench the reuptake) the fraudulent nature of the "Evidence Based" "Scientific Medicine" doesn't demonstrate that serotonin has nothing to do with depression.
To create neurotransmitters takes many miraculous biologic steps, it takes energy, health, and needful materials. L-Tryptophan is a food isolated chemical available as a legal over-the-counter food supplement. These supplements are familiar to the body's metabolism. As a precursor it provides a leg up for the synthesis of Serotonin (5-hydroxytryptamine) , then Melatonin is synthesized from the L-Tryptophan, then the final processing turns Melatonin into DMT (dimethyltryptamine).
Within a year of the USA FDA approving for market Prozac the first SSRI, the FDA banned the popular Serotonin precursor food isolate supplement pill L-Tryptophan. This remarkable topic doesn't make it to the world view or Critical Psychiatry.
Baum Hedlund Law Firm uncovered during litigation hidden company documents that show that the drug company knew through in house testing that Prozac causes suicidal ideation and suicide. Their choice they opted to - carefully lie and bury the truth forever. That's capitalism.
Joanna Moncreiff, M.D. presents an unwavering pretense in her work that Biochemical Psychiatry is represented by the drug company school of Psychiatry; and that scholarly responses by herself, Dunvcan Doublem Peter Breggin, Fredrick Baughman etc. etc. to their fraudulent material proves that Biological Medical Psychiatry and its lucrative xenobiotic halogen -containing centrally acting drug nostrums lack validity and Medical value and hence people should focus on Psychotherapy. A bigger piece of the pie for Psychotherapy.
Daniel Burdick, Oregon USA May 2016
Psychiatrist Abram Hoffer, M.D., Ph.D.
th-cam.com/video/qgbJkWYcTSU/w-d-xo.html
The FDA Ban of L-Tryptophan:
Politics, Profits and Prozac
by Dean Wolfe Manders, Ph.D.
www.ceri.com/trypto.htm
Abram Hoffer Interview in Life Extension Magazine
www.lifeextension.com/magazine/2003/1/report_hoffer/Page-01
Thomas Szasz, M.D. Critique by Richard Huemer
orthomolecular.org/library/jom/2000/pdf/2000-v15n03-p118.pdf
Safe Harbor Project - Optimal Dosing (of nutrients and drugs) for Schizophrenia
www.alternativementalhealth.com/optimal-dosing-for-schizophrenia/
Safe Harbor Project - Nutrient Treatment of Tardive Dyskinesia
www.alternativementalhealth.com/nutritional-treatment-of-tardive-dyskinesia-2
Nutritional Protection from the Damaging Effects of Psychiatric Drugs
by Charles Gant, M.D., Ph.D
www.alternativementalhealth.com/nutritional-protection-from-the-damaging-effects-of-psychiatric-drugs
David Moyer - A Path Not Taken
Author of Four Generation Bipolar Odyssey
www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=david+moyer+path+not+taken
Eva Edelman
naturalhealingforbipolardisorder.blogspot.com
naturalhealingforschizophrenia.blogspot.com
William Walsh, Ph.D. Autism, Bipolar, Epigentics
www.walshinstitute.org
www.walshinstitute.org/uploads/1/7/9/9/17997321/methylation_epigenetics_and_mental_health_by_william_walsh_phd.pdf
Supplements for Depression
dominatedepression.com/supplements-for-depression
L-Tryptophan, Serotonin, DMT
Difficult synthesis of neurotransmitters
www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=L-tryptophan+melatonin+spirit+molecules
PsycheTruth "Recovery" Redefined (great, funny, important)
th-cam.com/video/CbsSVi31TlA/w-d-xo.html
PsycheTruth - Functional Medicine - How to find a Doctor
Ypou can Trust
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PsycheTruth Nutrition by Natalie - ADHD drugs VS Possible Cures
th-cam.com/users/results?search_query=nutrition+by+natalie+adhd+
Psychiatrist Hyla Cass, M.D. - Functional Medicne
th-cam.com/video/2WDMxK8qtD8/w-d-xo.html
Supplement Your Prescription: What Your Doctor Doesn’t Know About Nutrition
HYLA CASS, MD
www.totalhealthmagazine.com/Vitamins-and-Supplements/Supplement-Your-Prescription-What-Your-Doctor-Doesnt-Know-About-Nutrition.html
45 Years of Clinical Experience Treating Psychiatric Disorders
Psychiatrist Hugh Riorden, M.D. _ Biochemical Psychiatry
th-cam.com/video/Qv-EpQIIQnw/w-d-xo.html
Behavior Analysis of Psychotic Disorders: Scientific Dead End or Casualty of the Mental Health Political Economy? Stephen E Wong
www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=scientific+dead+end+behavioral+psychosis+Wong
david jacobs anosognosia further reflections on methodology
Reply to the 1973 58 page Task Force 7 Report "Peer Review" Intentional Crafted Fraud
Abram Hoffer and Humphrey Osmond
www.doctoryourself.com/APA_Reply_Hoffer.pdf
orthomolecular.org/library/jom/1978/pdf/1978-v07n04-p258.pdf
Psychiatrist Abram Hoffer, M.D. "Rose My Wife" end of life autobiographic essay that covers the suppresion by the APA and NIMH
www.orthomolecular.org/history/hoffer/ahlife.pdf
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NUTRITIONAL BASIS OF HYPERACTIVITY EXPLORED
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www.alternativementalhealth.com/ezine/alternative-mental-health-news-no-13
Lendon H. Smith earned his MD degree and began the practice of medicine almost 55 years ago and has fought for children’s health and nutrition issues for over three decades. Dr. Smith was among the first to educate Americans on the role of sugar, white flour, and junk food in hyperactivity, obesity, allergies, and many illnesses.
In his fourth year in medical school, Dr. Smith attended a lecture by a Portland pediatric neurologist who had been in charge of a home for “oddball” children in the 1930s. The neurologist told his nurse to give a dose of bromide to one of these patients, a girl characterized as wild and crazy. Given benzedrine by mistake, the girl fell asleep within about 30 minutes. The error was caught and reported, but they repeated the benzedrine dose experimentally the next day and the girl calmed down again. The doctor wrote a paper about this and it was reported in one of the pediatric journals. He noted that most of the kids he was seeing for this same syndrome had suffered some sort of birth trauma - cord around the neck, prematurity, collapsed lungs, or the like - which he characterized as “hurts to the nervous system.”
“He had no idea why a stimulant had this calming effect,” Dr. Lendon Smith explains. “We now know that ... continued
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Yep
There is a German Book out on this Thema from a Neuroscientist called Neuromythologie
+Lino Casu The germans have done enough damage already. What is your point?
DeWayne Stafford so what? Can’t they produce good points?
Joanna Moncrieff appears to be a nice woman. Unfortunately a'lot of Psychiatrist's are NOT nice people
They pretend to be nice, but they are so fake.
Exquisite presentation.
I have been giving these issues in some in the background, meaning independent of both common and uncommon views and positions on the subject of mental illness, specifically depression and anxiety.
I understand that the latter can be characterized as the "fight or flight" response from our early ancestors. As a species at least, in that respect it has served us well.
Depression I think everyone can agree is almost exclusively recognizable by its pronounced and persistent dissatisfaction with the environment in which manifests. Agreed by both practitioner and patient alike. Yet, like anxiety, can quite clearly be seen to have an anthropological root. Therefore, in some measure at least, ought to be recognized as perfectly natural.
This begs the question "If these two medical conditions are perfectly natural, what function do they have in the modern world". These do appear to be the two main drivers behind science, social justice and so on.
Viewed this way could well help more effective was of understanding them, not as conditions but as natural biological drivers like hunger, thirst, procreation (recreational or otherwise).
Speaking of procreation, do you have any plans! You are incredibly sexy.
+Andew Tarjanyi Depression is temporary and sane response to an insanely suppressive social environment.
FUCKING BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.........
It is really wonderful to hear good people. The tuth is there are good people and evil people people who love like jesus asked us too, and people who hate like the devil does. And it is a constant battle until the end of the world where we will all stand before God for all our actions. Then we go to heaven or to hell for eternity, where you see evil I the world the devil is responsible and his followers.
Pharmaceuticals works through foundations....
As a survivor of anxiety disorder, I can attest to that. This is not a physical ailment, it has to do with belief systems and autosuggestion. Often it's hypochondria.
Electric Shock wasn't even done in hospital setting..
INCReDIBLe LECture!
My life doing just fine now that I'm away from your hands...you people are dangerous..
I wish you were my doctor
Capitalism at its top
Вы абсолютно правы !
Something wrong with the word disease...try social misunderstood.
It's already been proven no cure 0%
Doing just fine trust me ...no drugs no drinking and law abiding ...
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Britain 519,400 in 2005 proscribed children stimulants..
Medicine has been able to create and sustain its professional status through a variety of strategies. The key process is that of closure: the ability to keep others out of the field of operation of the professional group. The most effective way to do this is through registration, backed up by legislation. This requires the state to give legal backing to a range of occupational practice. Professionalisation control of all others in the field Access to restricted substances, prescription drugs. The relationship of trust is build very much on the types of knowledge; For decades doctors and psychiatrist have defended the use and efficacy of psychiatric drugs, from declaring that they revolutionised the treatment of depression to just plain lifesaving. Indeed Irish psychiatrist Patricia Casey has proclaimed that antidepressant are lifesaving and that for early improvement in clinical depression antidepressants are the best and often the only option. I don't agree with her opinion to address the debate about antidepressants I suggest to address the major types of social injustices in education in the policy domain there is need to have a closer alliance between the social scientist and egalitarian theorists.
Huxley's "Brave New World" has become reality.
People don't always see things the same way as you...but it not right to make people think the same..
Try different type of personality that doesn't match your own...stop before say it not a personality disorder..they just are thinking different like if you see a bee we see the strips..
Try more group therapy
Parents beware..
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I'm wondering if certain strains of cannabis could be used in place of antipsychotics or antidepressants. CBD, low THC cannabinoids perhaps not even smoked or vaporized, but consumed raw or juiced so to avoid psychoactive effects. Or if it was used for psychoactive perhaps very mild strains with higher CBD to Thc proportions. Antipsychotics wrought havoc on my system when I was prescribed them and antidepressants made me feel weird also, and I had strange side effects. I see from what I read that cannabinoids can be very healthy and beneficial to humans so maybe natural,organic cannabis plants could be an alternative to these synthetic chemical cocktails that we currently use.Although I agree that there is probably no chemical cure. I think the causes of depression etc.. and nuanced complex, eternal and all encompassing. I think the best we can do is find ways to lessen the problems. Some people (and I consider myself one) will always have difficulties. For me economic,social relationship, how I feel about myself, how others see me, nutrition,exercise sleep, random things all play a complex part in my difficulties.It is not an "attitude" issue nor is it a "choice" as some people will insist which is very annoying and make me personally feel even worse.
They are plants.not made up chemicals.
Talk to me depression just a state of mind ...mri,,,,won't show mineral illness