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Busting Myths about Psychosis & Antipsychotics with Dr Joanna Moncrieff
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ส.ค. 2024
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WEBINAR DESCRIPTION
In this talk, Dr. Moncrieff will look at the evidence behind some common myths relating to psychosis and ‘antipsychotic’ drugs. First, she will look at evidence for the idea that psychosis or ‘schizophrenia’ are neurodegenerative conditions; next she will survey the evidence on the concept of the ‘untreated duration of psychosis’ and whether early drug treatment produces better outcomes. Then she shall look at the famous dopamine hypothesis of schizophrenia and psychosis, and finally she will look at evidence for the idea that antipsychotics work by targeting an underlying biological mechanism that produces psychotic symptoms. Dr Moncrieff will consider the extent to which commercial and professional interests have influenced the conduct and interpretation of scientific research in these areas.
ABOUT THE PRESENTERS
Dr. Moncrief is a Professor of Critical and Social Psychiatry at University College London, and also works as a consultant psychiatrist in the NHS in London in a community mental health team. She has researched and written about the over-use and misrepresentation of psychiatric drugs and about the history, politics and philosophy of psychiatry more generally for several decades now. She has been leading UK government-funded research on reducing and discontinuing antipsychotic drug treatment (the RADAR study), and collaborating on a study to support antidepressant discontinuation. In the 1990s Dr. Moncrieff co-founded the Critical Psychiatry Network to link up with other, like-minded psychiatrists. She has written numerous scientific papers and several books including A Straight Talking Introduction to Psychiatric Drugs Second edition (PCCS Books), published in September 2020, as well as The Bitterest Pills: The Troubling Story of Antipsychotic Drugs (2013) and The Myth of the Chemical Cure (2009) (Palgrave Macmillan). Her website is joannamoncrief... Twitter handle @joannamoncrieff
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I have completely healed from schizophrenia and acute psychosis, contrary to all prognoses I was given. It took me about ten years and I have written and vlogged about it extensively. I had to take medications in the beginning as I was so unwell, but I worked with my doctors and team to reduce and finally get off them altogether. I believe they helped to stablise me so I could begin to work on the true underlying causes of my illness, such as childhood trauma, but that full healing was not possible while on them. Thank you for validating this for me with your research.
Good outcome wondering if you were willing to get help in the beginning?
You basically said nothing.
mushrooms and pot could have done the same thing for you in a fraction of the time without all the negative side effects and bodily damage done by the shrink drugs.
Did u get your feelings back
@@EllieLindhorst HI there! Yes, 100%! Feelings are not always comfortable but I have learnt how to cope with that, in different ways (other than meds)...
ALL DOCTORS SHOULD BE MANDATED TO TAKE THEIR OWN MEDICATIONS .. so they can get an idea 💡 of exactly what they are prescribing ..
AS PART OF THEIR TRAINING .
exactly let them trip out ive been on the shit before off it all now have my mind back
That doesn't even make any sense
Here here!! I've been saying this for a while.
I read an essay by a researcher who did just that. Pretty trippy. Wish I could remember the title.
@@azsunburnsit would if you were the one to be put on these drugs and had your life ruined by them :/
Please start a prayer chain for me ive been forced on antisicotics for 24 years since i was 20.its so scary alot of times,but i hold to my faith i love u so much u and petter breggin,i thank Jesus the father and holy ghost for u .i feel like it aint all just in my head
There is power in prayer! Also, if people will believe that they are Imago Viva Dei - and stay with this - agapeic love will be theirs {which is what Mental Health is}!
I'll pray for you
Prayer also transforms the one praying!@@MatthewSchwer-cu1dm
Hi Travis, my name is Roland. I suffered a long time from the same desease and took meds for 10 years. I was very damaged and in a dangerous health state.
The metabolic psychiatry has a lot to say about the root causes.
I'm on a ketogenic diet now, take creatine and butyrate. It has a lot to to with the gut. With subclinical inflammation in the brain, oxidative stress and insulin resistance (the brain does not get enough glucose, which leads to a kind of dementia. As the antipsychotics do.). These is one way, if not that way, to take control again of ones life. And actually to heal. Let me tell you that it is possible.
Joann Moncrieff is an absolute hero for those of us who know all too well the damaging effcets of these labels and rugs in psychiatry.She and other colleagues like her need to have a much wider platofrm and we need some mainstream media to cover these conversations on psychiatry
Disease-like Labels deployed by Freudian ideologues!
“We should see psychosis as a way of being human” We should be talking about helping and supporting people not treatment..
Delusional episodes happen when we can no longer maintain the pretence that life is bearable. For those of us who have experienced much loss, sometimes it is very tough to keep going. But the alternative doesn't bear thinking about.
You never lost anything, it was never yours to lose, everything is on loan for our creator of which you are part of
What really stays with me is this alternate model of the drugged state is simply preferable to the symptom state. This is very illuminating for those of us who have watched family members persist with treatment for little rather than blunted effect, which the user (and 'society' around them) find comforting with the avoidance of generating any insight about the potentially more serious nature of personality and affective (not even psychotic) issues after decades. This is my main issue with psychiatry in many cases. How can you push forward and inwards to psychological healing with this emphasis? Why have so few heeded Szasz (1960)? Psychiatry is contaminated with scientism not just insidious capitalism.
I agree!
They don't even fund studies on possible health problems that causes schizophrenia
I was diagnosed with bipolar and forced to take Olanzapine (threatened with depot if not) then moved to abilify. Gained approx 3 stone, resting heart rate between 100 and 150, and totally lacking in motivation. Hoping to come off them soon
How are you now and what are your dosages?
I don't even have a mental illness (I have brain damage and anger issues from being abused for almost 30 years), and the group home that I live in is making me take them.
I'm already starting to get some negative side effects (tardive dyskinesia), and they've already decided that I'm not really experiencing it.
So many abused people are abused more by the system! Compassionate understanding care is the true intelligence ❤
A demoralized person should sing in Glee Clubs - so he can develop a mental + emotional cathexis and make friends, which is what Mental Health is!
Thanks Joanna for all your hard work. I know you aren't against meds, but are for getting people well.
Few could do what she has done without virtue and implicit motivation. Heroinne figure.
I agree
Very informative. Thank you.
I wonder what my psychiatrist would think of this
I don't even know if he is aware.
I don't ever agree with forced treatment with antipsychotics personally.
However, everything else was spot on! I just wonder which doctors ever thought they were appropriate. I would like to hear from working psychiatrists who take antipsychotics themselves and how they feel about this topic.
@@jenniferfinlayson8503 Most of the time, talking to people on antipsychotics is very boring. People are reduced to depression on these drugs...I write from personal experience.
Im free from schizophrenia , i was medicated 12 years it Disney help, i put away medication , the first 6 months is the hardest, it bursted with sympthoms, psychosis, sleeplesness, anxiety, exhaustion, i know it all, but it was worth it, brain heals itself without meds i was dependant on medication, that was the only way to get back to normal
What drug did you took? I was on olanzapine from 2017. I stopped taking them cold turkey recently. And then I read that you shouldn't do it cold turkey. You can have psychosis and stuff. I just don't want to take them anymore.
Thank you very much for speaking the truth. I do have a Bipolar 1 and taking stimulants has never made me manic. Moreover, they calmed my manic episode. However, the olanzapine brings me quickly out of psychosis. Yet,because of risks of serious side effects I stop taking when I come down. Then when in depressed phase I believe that taking dopamine antagonist makes depression worse. So often antidepressants or other mood stabilisers are added to the treatment to balance it and counteract the effects of antipsychotics, which is hard for me to understand. And oftentimes trials of many different drugs are added....I do not wish to take a handfull of drugs that will completely distort chemicals in my brain.If for any reason I would need to come off them, the withdrawals are unbearable for many people.Leaving them with even more medication to treat side effects, and it looks for me like a vicious circle...
Curious if Anemia is a cause for you bipolar psychosis, I'm currently researching this for myself- will know more soon.
Thank you.
@valeriefarley5174 don't think so.i take supplements, however was going to stop them to see, and take blood samples after a wee while to see what is missing on my body. Surely folic acid,but unfortunately not available in Holland and barrett. I eat load of veg,load of fruits. My supplements are:lithium orotate, omega3, b complex, vitc, zinc, and of course magnesium. I'm thinking of supplementation of glutamate. To raise BDFN.just now I'm on apriprazole, somehow helps with my adhd as well, helps to calm down mania and alllows me to filter ambient stimuli. Yet,stimulants would be better option to level the dopamine in my brain.they work on different channels, different dopamine receptors. Hope this helps.lithium orotate should be widely studied.but hey hoe ,bigpharma doesn't want us to know this....over the sudden ,lithium carbonate aka priadal was supposed to be taken of the market by manufacturer, and from 2.50 pounds they would introduce 'another' medication containing lithium but for £25 per monthly use ,which is 30 pills....funny.get people addicted to shit, and then dictate the price,cos your brain is addicted to it lol simple math
The most difficult thing is To find a Doctor who willing to de prescribe.
I have been diagnosed with Schizo affective disorder 17 years ago and i try to live or battle the symptoms since then. I am currently unable to work and I appreciate your take on integrating us into society in primate ages ppl who were on high alert were recognized by the group for life saving hints. This trait is now unnecessary, and i firmly believe that thats the reason we are segregated from society. Being alert and nobodys listening feels isolating and thus one creates narratives harder to approach. But maube that is just my own humble perception 🤷
bio scientist here: No, that trait is never "unnecessary", because it warns the species about threats!! Maybe "just" psychological threats, that will, if not heeded, lead to a disintegration of social coherence and a degradation of trust.
That's where we are now.
And "society" rather keeps on numbing itself with mindless consumerism, pressing its hands on its ears going "LALALALALA!!!!"
Socalled "triggers" need warnings, and are preferably separated from the public space.
And don't mind me saying this, too: Neoliberalism has also commodified sprituality. "Sorry if you can't manifest your full potential, must be, because you STILL have just too many "negative thoughts"!" It's manipulative gaslighting, on a level you usually find in religious cults or intimate, interpersonal relationships. And well, the people that POSSIBLY, maybe, be able to provide a "cure", a vaccination, or at least hints on where to look for it, HAVE TO BE separated from the rest, because... this machinery is too intricate for even tolerating a grain of sand in the gears. As Terence McKenna put it: "the western mind is a house of cards"...and well, we "schizophrenics" are just too prone to opening all windows and doors to get a really good draft into the room.
To get rid of the stink of that pesky invisible, assuredly delusional elephant they keep droning on about...
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I know it's a cheesy one: But sometimes I think, it's all the others that are insane.
Doctor Moncrieff is the most wonderful human being, protecting those who were silenced and are the most vulnerable and in need of help. This system is rotten to its bones. We need to stand together for those who came to the "healthcare" system and received only labels and abuse. We need to stop the corruption and explore the nutritional deficiencies and environmental bases of the mental distress. Thank you so much Dr Moncrieff and team. Much love 🙏❤❤🔥
I'm interested in Dr Moncrieffs observation that some people with psychotic symptoms haven't had trauma. As the interviewer says there is always an explanation!
heavy metals and chemicals and nutrition depleted can be a driver also
The explanation is always multifactorial and biopsychosocial. There is almost never a single identifiable cause, but many interdependent factors
@@marcodallolio9746 that said anyone can work on getting healthier and then the brain improves
@@thenutritionalhealer7233 absolutely, and precisely because of the systemic nature of mental illness, there are many factors that can positively impact it. Nutrition and lifestyle are pretty big ones
How can you or the person really know whether they had trauma? Trauma is often misunderstood. It doesn't have to be the one big event, or even obvious childhood issues like sexual or physical violence. A lot of dysfunction in families is not recognized as having been traumatic for someone. There is also trauma that occured so early that the person does not consciously remember (being left to cry in a crib). I think most people had trauma. Now it is also possible that someone brings trauma from previous life times, which I have seen as well. But of course, not everyone believes in incarnation.
Outstanding presentation of data by fierce Moncrieff, I am so glad and thankful for her work in the field, and I wish she becomes a role model for future health professionals because he is the real deal. Besides the evidence she is bringing up, the urgent message that is being shined between the lines is that health professionals are trained in a system guided by big pharma. It is imperative for the present and future of health care that trained health professionals are not brainwashed into drug dealers.
It is a paradox, those patients that can not put away medication because the sympthomes are back, have to put it away to unjust the brain from it and let it heal , that is what i did, it takes time, months, but is worth it
I was 12 years unmedicated and my MRI from 2011 and 2023 showed no shrinkage of brain matter.
Forced injection abilify here, just wanted to say im glad this video exists though i wish it could help me win a case in court. Will i get my feelings back?
I’m in the same position. Forced abilify, court…
I'm also been on cto for forced abilify for almost 2 years now. I've been non symptomatic during that time but they keep renewing the cto regardless. This evil drug has ruined my life.
@@Mogwai-fk4bf the trick is to pretend to like it. Maybe find a new psychiatrist
@@EllieLindhorst I wish it was that easy. When you're on a cto the supervising psychiatrist is the only one who can give permission to change psychiatrists.
Are your feeling joys come back
Why are patients being given antipsychotics for bipolar? Given the harsh affects with these toxic drugs I would think using these drugs off label should be considered very carefully if at all.
Because they don't care. They are also prescribed for insomnia. Some people develop symptoms of psychosis because of the drugs, so they can upgrade the original diagnosis (usually to schizoaffective) and prescribe more drugs.
The neurotoxic and addictive nature of the drugs has been known since decades and used as business model.
I was initially prescribed an antipsychotic after being diagnosed with adhd and major depressive disorder. I was not told that it was an antipsychotic or notified of any of its risks. Luckily I defied my doctor and never took it.
This is really important talk
Anti phyc drugs can give sever movement disorders, thus creating more stress.. Obviously they can be helpful for a short time but I'm not convinced about long term use.🧐
I read that long-term they are bad. Google Whitaker A schizophrenia mystery solved? It's an article that talks about how in general schizophrenia patients do better without long-term use of antipsychotics
My son managed to live in both worlds, his inner world is what he calls his spirituality. It helps him live like a religion.
What is his medication regimen?
Amazing video. Thank you
Love that “being human” ❤
Why don't people talk about how antidepressants were found by accident, when they were testing whether jet fuel could treat tuberculosis ?
Being ENFP may be the cause of grandiosity, although symptoms are also comorbid with the onset of hyperaldosteronism at age 11. Also insomnia. When I ceased using alcohol, episodes of severe gloom with recall of events, which was mitigated with l-glutamine and l-phynolananine, After ending these intermittent gloom returned. After adrenal was removed, chronic depression resulted. Amino acids ended depression until I had a reaction and was put on meds. Antipsychotics always resulted in akathesia when dose was increased beyond minimum dose. Depakote caused liver damage and lithium destroyed stamina. Despair symptoms also returned. Lexapro shift ended despair but triggered severe hypomanic episodes not controlled with lamotragine. Taking Norvasc with lamotragine ended episodes. Drugs ran out during pandemic when mail was rerouted., Getting replacements helped, but taking Lexapro, which became sublingual because I could not swallow instantly restored mood. I still have periodic insomnia and non-24, but because I am on disability, it can be managed - although if I have to be someplace in the morning I can have a 30 up, 12 down sleep cycle.
Something is definitely wrong, especially because first alcohol and then amino acids mitigated it, as well as surgery modifying it. Avoiding despair is key. Occasional depression can be controlled with decaf coffee. What's up with that?
I've anecdotally noticed that ENFPs are more likely to have symptoms consistent with mania. (Hi, I'm an INTJ.) 🧐
I love your work! Wow thank you! Please don't stop. Can you talk about Tourette's syndrome? I have been told it is because of too much dopamine. But I know you say it's not true. Can you elaborate?
I was recently forced invega for 4 months. I have terrible lasting side effects. 29 years on and off mood stabilizers and benzodiapines as well. I'm just learning about what these drugs actually do and I'm horrified. I have felt like crap since I was 22, and I'm 49 now
Thank you Joanna. You are an angel!!
have you thought about something hormonal being the reason for all psychiatric illnesses, that the diagnosis are different levels of stress. stress hormone, I don't remember what it is called. borderline being the most severe illness of them all, all symptoms are present.
Curious if it could be due to anemia and other vitamin deficiencies that cause mania. Vit D, and B12 perhaps- working with my doctors to solve Bipolar Diagnosis.
It's called cortisol
I wish You two were my providers!
I have to disagree with your assesment of "mood stabilisers" based on my experience with my son - who has experienced intense manic episodes - which included psychosis - and the use of sodium valporate - "Epilim".
His first episode triggered a 6 month series of rapid cycling bioplar events. He was initially given Olazapine. But we couldnt get the cycling to stop until Epilim was introduced.
Once the last episode stabilised - he was taken off olazapine - but remained on a maintenance regime of Epilim.
He remained on Epilim for 2 years. When taking epilim - he didnt notice any discernable effects. No sedative or mind altering effects. He had normal high energy. Normal sleep cycles.
After 2 years he stopped taking it, because he felt it really wasnt doing anything. There was no discernable change.
This year he tried to go on a trip to america. ( We live in Australia)
The travel was delayed and disrupted - and it meant that his sleep cycle was dramatically impacted and being the first time traveling abroad alone, we can also imagine it was stressful. The combination immediately sent on the upward trajectory of mania. Within a week he was in a full blown manic episode.
We rushed him home. And started a higher dose of Epilim, with a valim at night to help him sleep, rather than using an antipsychotic, and very quickly began reducing the valium. At the moment he takes a 1/4 of a 2.5mg tablet.
My anectdotal experience was very much that Sodium valporate "stabilises" he immediately began improving and there was a steady smooth trajectory towards landing. We are now 4 weeks in hes much better but still not his usual self. I feel much better about not using Olazapine. But do think that Sodium valproate was a "game changer"for us.
For context I also have a brother who experiences manic/psychosis - and refuses treatment. I am very experienced and aware of what the extremes of mania and psychosis can look like.
and tell me, are you afraid of your Shadow? Can you go into that psychological terrain of reflection? Or does is trigger a somatic response, fear? Because you might be experienced what it looks like, and the discomfort of having to experience that, but are you also experienced in being a healing, safe presence?
So many conflicts in acute psychosis arise because most folks fall for the misidentification of ego and physical body; as in: Ego is firing an "I'm dying!!!" adrenaline cascade, while the physical body was never in any real danger. It happens. And it takes a lot of compassion on the side of the target not to react to that with your own flight/fight response. And that's how it can escalate.
People aren't taught the skills they'd need to better deal with the "mentally ill"...
Drugging problems is not a solution, I would look into work of dr Hoffer whose brilliant work helped many people before political and industrial influences blocked their progress. Take scans, find good chiropractor like dr John Bergman ( US) . Drugs will debilitated and destroy your son long term. Read about tardive dyskinesia. Yes, it requires time dedication compassion. It is not a simple pop a pill approach , it is not mainstream but it helped people instead of labelling them this or that. Please read dr Joanna Moncrieff's books, dr Peter Breggins, orthomolecular medicine. This is my opinion I shared because I have researched this extensively, and I can see drugs long term cause disabilities.
Curious if the onset of mania and presents of adrenochrome, a toxic adrenaline is cause by anemia, B12, vitamin D deficiencies. I've been inside bipolar manic disorder life for 16 yrs, and finally put 2 and 2 together that Anemia causes panic and mania. Thoughts?
It certainly could be the case. In our experience when we did all the blood tests- neither deficiency came up -yet that still not conclusive as a general deficiency range might not point to sub par for
an individual@@valeriefarley5174
If someone is distracted or demoralized - then have him sing in daily Glee Clubs. Soon, he will begin to develop a mental + emotional dedication, a cathexis, and also make friends - which is what Mental Health is!
I wonder if you are capable of putting aside their concepts and just listening, without judgement, conclusion and interpretation, to what I have to say. If you are, then please bear with me until the end. I am what you call psychotic, but I am not delusional. For me the only hallucination in the Universe is the concept of a hallucination. I am not in delusion, but I want to suggest that the whole of psychiatry and psychopharmacology itself is a dangerous, pathological delusion. Of course, because I have what you call psychosis, I’m also an unreliable narrator according to you, but unlike the psychiatrist, I’m not going to offer you any beliefs, theories, or prejudices. I’m just going to use language to describe what I have observed. I hope you see the difference.
Let me start with what is an indisputable fact, and you will begin to see what I mean. Within a psychosis, there are three elements I want to draw attention to. The first is awareness, the second is the non-ordinary phenomena that you call the psychosis, and the third thing is the mental and emotional reactions, and physical responses, to that phenomena. Now let’s see, in within that, what the actual problem is in what you call a psychosis. Again, please drop your theories and try and consider whether or not this is actually the case.
Awareness is what it is - it is always the same: impartial, the essence of what we call ‘clarity’. There can never be a problem in this aspect of the psychosis. It sees what is, as it is - it always does. It never lies - it just shows, or illuminates, what is. Then there is the non-ordinary phenomena: it comes and goes, it is what it is, and there is nothing we can do about it. Why make it a problem?
But then, there are the mental, emotional and physical reactions to the phenomena. Thought jud. ges, labels what happens - calls it mad, or maybe evil, depending on your particular social conditioning, but they both indicate danger. It is our social conditioning that is responsible for this part. And such mental judgements instantly produce fear, as an emotional and physical reaction: the body is on edge, maybe in fight or flight mode. The mind is grasping for some kind of explanation but the only possibilities are too horrifying. The overriding need of the organism comes to be to escape - but you can’t escape your own consciousness.
I have discovered, through not repressing but seeking to observe and understand the non-ordinary phenomena, that really, all the problems are rooted first and foremost in the mental reactions to the phenomena, and in the West, socially conditioned with the concepts of madness, mental disease, evil etc - something terrible and frightening or dangerous: when we are told that such non-ordinary phenomena indicate such things, then of course there will be fear, fight or flight, and a desire to escape - and this is ‘psychosis’ proper, if you ask me. Well I practice another way.
The term hallucination implies something that is not really there, but this bellies the facts. Actually, if we look at the facts, the non-ordinary phenomena is most definitely there - in our consciousness, in the world, because the world and the non-ordinary phenomena are both happenings within consciousness. This is indisputable. So the phenomena is real, in the sense that it is a real phenomena. But if the mind interprets, judges, believes or disbelieves, which the psychiatrist is guilty of too, then this is delusion: because in truth, we don’t know and can never know what this phenomena actually is, and we shouldn’t pretend we know what consciousness is. It’s called the hard problem of science. Yet the mental reactions are not necessary if we realize that we can observe and understand it. We then stand in the ever reliable, never changing clarity of awareness. If I am observing and understanding the non-ordinary phenomena, without believing or disbelieving (which is also a form of believing), then how can you say I’m delusional? I’m neither believing nor disbelieving. I’m just observing. And trying to keep the body calm and the mind alert. Where is the pathology in that?
Because in observing it over and over again, until finally it really does get the better of the body and the brain, I have learned more and more not just about the thing you call psychosis, but about everything, which is consciousness - because everything is a mere happening in your consciousness. That is a fact. The very idea of an outside world is again a happening in consciousness, and just an idea. Ideas are not facts - the fact is you can never go outside of your consciousness. So consciousness is really the most objective thing. We need to understand it, and the happenings within it, and only the person going through the psychosis can observe the primary phenomena. Only we can begin to explain, through our own observations, what a psychosis actually is, but what psychiatrist is ever interested in hearing our attempt to use language to convey the actuality of the experience? We are unreliable narrators. And it’s all subjective anyway. Yet the concepts and labels they’ve invented are somehow really objective, are somehow facts.
Let me tell you that there is no objective and subjective. There is only the subjective. There is only consciousness. That is a simple fact if you look at it. The outside world is just a happening within consciousness, conceptualized. Sensation conceptualized. The actual facts are that we have awareness, sensation (light, dark, sound etc), thought, feeling, imagination - and sometimes non-ordinary phenomena. But it all takes place in awareness - that thing that never changes, that thing that shows you what is, as it is, that thing that never lies, that thing that isn’t biased, doesn’t change, is always truthful, and never errs. But for the psychiatrists, their concepts are the windows onto the world, and that is delusion proper.
In order for anyone to help me, they have to allow me to convey what is actually happening to me through words. That is what I attempt to do. But the psychiatrist has a completely different objective. They want to situate me in their invented conceptual frameworks, based on the observation only of external presentations, and the primary phenomena they call hallucination, delusion, and therefore of no intrinsic value. But beliefs, opinions, theories, prejudices and assumptions are the non-facts: only an understanding of what is, as it is, has any validity, and this comes about through observing what is. I am observing what is, trying to maintain awareness throughout the observation, and in doing so I begin to understand what I am seeing. I don’t say I know what I am seeing, because knowledge is a representation, not the fact. Knowledge has no place in understanding what is. If you want to understand the day to day changes in your child’s emotions you do that through observation, not thinking. You don’t have to put your understanding into words - you don’t have to draw conclusions or beliefs or opinions about what you discover. To do so in what you call a psychosis I think is where much of the danger lies. But in order for the socially conditioned brain, the feelings and emotions, and the body to endure it, understanding of others, support, perhaps some sedation at times, would really help target the actual problem, which is not the non-ordinary phenomena, which is what it is and just comes and goes, but our fear of it, our terror, our attempt to interpret etc etc etc. The concept of madness and the biomedical myth of mental illness means we have already been told what the thing is before it even comes. Therefore, thinking we know, we never try to understand it. We ask a psychiatrist, even though it is only us who have direct contact with the primary phenomena.
So what is a psychiatrist actually an expert in? In the drugs they prescribe which, as Robert Whittaker and others painstakingly elucidate, produce pathological brain states and actually make long-term outcomes much worse. What kind of society would choose a solution like this? An insane society, enabled by an insane psychiatry. Psychiatrists are experts in the labels they invented, and the pseudoscientific mythology behind it. They, along with the drug companies, are agents of an enormous social violence which is no departure at all from the appalling violence we see in the history of psychiatry. The logic of psychopharmacology is that if your phone is ringing all day, just cut the wire. But there might be important calls. And this same logic was behind the lobotomy. I reject the idea that psychiatry has moved on at all, especially when they have conditioned the whole of society to allow their children’s brains to be mutilated at the profit of both psychiatrists and big pharma, usually leading the child onto a life of disability, social isolation, and a feeling of meaningless existence. So not only is this mad and pathological, it is also violent. And I am not violent. But try telling all this to a psychiatrist. I have and do - but they are incapable of listening. They want to dominate me with their concepts and delusions. And when I describe what is, as it is, they call it my belief and ideation. What a back to front world we live in.
PS - Thought is a social process that pretends to be me, but thought is the process of social-historical accumulation, proliferation, entrenchment, standardisation through repetition, the same process that produces civilization as a whole, as it is today. Thought is social in origin and orientation, and should not be thought of as personal: there is no personal thought - just social cognition. And it yokes the organism to the social whole inwardly, conditioning the activity, attitudes and communications of the organism.
Of course, thought, being a very recently invented system of representation of what is, cannot ever understand what is. It cannot even understand itself, so thought and knowledge have no place in understanding. Knowledge is a representation, not the fact. The fact is what is, as it is, and that comes through an awareness of what is, which is also the mother of all knowledge and thought if you examine it.
Understanding comes about through observing and understanding what is, as it is, but the intrusions of thought into perception destroys perception, and it is with some difficulty that we can observe what is, as it is, with the exception of children. Generally the ossification of patterns of thinking, doing and saying tends only to progress throughout the course of life.
Your thinking mind was conditioned, shaped and filled through social experience. Everything in your mind comes from the world. You can't deny that. You think in language - the products of social historical accumulation, social proliferation, standardization, internalization, neurological entrenchment, and then your mind pretends to be me and organizes the expression of the life. It harnesses feeling and emotion from the organism, so entices the organism with images of desire and fear, the reward and punishment mechanism which is the motive force behind its control of the natural substrata. Your sense of reality and self are socially conditioned. So society creates the thinking mind and the thinking mind creates society. Civilization and the intellect are one indivisible process that depends as much on the human brain as it does petroleum and money. In fact, the latter are more dispensable then the human brain - that is just a fact. It's a fact the process is indivisible. I'm just using words to point out what is. Let us again stick to the actual facts.
Thought has its roots, ultimately, in awareness of sensation: it goes sensation, memory, knowledge/thought (knowledge being a form of thought), and this thinking shapes the social activity, shapes the behaviour of the organism, comes to dominate the natural substrata it can never understand. Yes, feeling is the motive force, but if you look at it, thinking is the thing that generally harvests the feelings of desire and fear from the organism, which provides the energy for the activity which is circumscribed, generally but not universally, by thought. But if thought is the mere offspring of awareness, sensation and memory, how can we imagine it can ever know that which created it? Can you imagine creating something that can then grasp who or what you actually are? Knowledge is representation, and representation is not the fact. If we stick to the facts, the fact is knowledge, being a recent invention of the species, being mere representation of what is, cannot 'know' what is. It can only represent what is, and its proper domain is in communication, including speaking and writing, the development and implementation of techniques, technology, and the development of complex systems.
What thought cannot possibly ever know is what you actually are, which is consciousness, because no-one can ever escape their own consciousness, and all that you call the objective world and the body and the brain and the self is a mere happening within consciousness that you call sensation, which is then conceptualised, i.e. turned into something that it is not. Only seeing, observing, perceiving what is has any validity, because then you see what is, as it is. You cannot be mistaken, because awareness of what actually is - sensation, thought, imagination, a dream, whatever it is - is consciousness of the content of consciousness, which is all that there ever is.
Through observation, one begins to understand, and understanding is a silent process. Knowledge has no place in the understanding of what is. When you stop being a thinker and start being an observer, you eventually see that knowledge destroys perception and insight by introducing false figures into the perception of what is - just as throwing stray notes into a melody will destroy the melody, or throwing random words into sentences will destroy the sentences. This is how the perfectly alive perception of the child is destroyed by the process of social-historical ossification and our neuro(mal)adaptation to it.
There is only one problem on Earth, and that is the conflict between the intellect and its natural substrata, and the conflict between civilization and mother nature, which is not two conflicts, but the very same conflict, because the world created the mind and the mind created the world: and mother nature created our brains, bodies and feelings, an instrument through which mother nature becomes conscious of herself. There is no self though - it's just an idea. Thought says its 'me' and identifies itself with the feelings and the body, calling it 'me', and then the things it says it possesses it calls 'mine'. Everything else it says is not me or mine. Thus it is a process that isolates the 'me' from the 'world', but 'me' and 'world' are just thoughts, ideas, non-facts. The fact is there is thought, imagination, and our self-image which is also imagination, and memory, and thought which identifies with the other parts. There is no self. What you are is awareness: can you deny that you are aware right now when seeing or hearing anything? Is it possible? Are you different from awareness? Then you are awareness, and everything else is a happening in awareness that just happens, and just comes and goes. If awareness goes, you are not. If awareness is, you are. You can't ever say you were unconscious because then you wouldn't be there. Within that awareness, you do nothing. Awareness does nothing - it just is: but in awareness understanding and insight can take place. Conversely, there is no such thing as certain knowledge because knowledge is not the fact: the fact is what is, as it is.
Thought just happens - intention just happens. There is no self that makes it happen. If you say there is a self that intended to think then this self just happens, and in any case is a mere thought, an idea. No matter how many times you add a self as an actor to explain the action, you are still left with the same problem: that thing just happens, and its an infinite regression. So there is no thinker, or actor, or self. There is only thinking, acting and the exquisitly subtle but utterly decisive illusion of the self. The fact is that sensation just happens, thought just happens, feeling just happens, everything just happens, and there is nothing that you - awareness - can ever do about it. There is no doer - just thought pretending to be me doing. Being aware of the destruction of the Earth and of humanity by the the process of social-historical accumulation and ossification, which produces both the thinking mind ('the me') and civilization, these being one indivisible process, all at the expense of our emotional, sensuous, conscious, living experience and the perfect workings of the much violated nature that we are, are you going to chose sides? You can't choose sides. You are awareness. The choosing of the side is the social process pretending to be you. It is obviously bias as is all of thought - it is biased in saying it is the self, when in truth it does not and cannot know what it is.
I love it, all of it. I call anti-psychotics a chemical lobotomy. Every scientific study is done through the awareness of the researcher which skews the outcome. I got Locked up and labelled schizophrenic and bipolar because I was paranoid. I had real reasons to be paranoid due to people hurting me alot in the past. Seems the only thing to heal me from this psychosis was love and patience.
Yes, spiritual awakening is happening as this planet and the people on it are mostly unconscious of the greater view. Many are like gandhi etc, but today they reframe it all.
Emotional dark age
The only way the effects of the antipsychotics on brain structure could be diffrentiated from the effects of the illness is if they'd do a longitudinal study in a developping country where not everyone can afford to get medicated
Please any advise welcome my 23 year old son presenting with marijuana psychosis he was forsed on meds today i had hoped his delusions would have gone away he didnt want to be treated
He was hosp hospitalized and forsed medicated olanzapine 15mg how long would it take to come off ? If anyone knows
How is he now
Thanks for asking , hes still not that willing to have help off meds and past few days I see signs of build up ,hes been working a bit much and smoking weed ,he broke his back a year ago and insists on it for pain
You need to be strong my 17 year old the same he was 2 months on olanzepine and now in paliperidome be patient and let the doctors they know what they re doing. I wish you best of luck
No, they absolutem do not know what they arę doping, have you ever tried that shit?
I would love to see some studies on the niacin protocol..(obviously not sponsored by pharmaceutical industry but independently funded,). Would it be possible to conduct such study, why has it been blocked for so long if the results were so amazing?
Do you have any thoughts on Dr Palmer’s research and book “Brain Energy” in regards to a Ketogenic diet helping people with mental issues? Warm regards Gary
There is psychosis that is caused by gluten intolerance. We don't know how widespread it is. So maybe people who benefited from ketogenic diet where people who had gluten intolerance. Also personally I think that there are allergies not only on gluten and who knows maybe other allergies also cause schizophrenia like symptoms. So ketogenic diet is restrictive diet that eliminates many allergens. If you want to try, try it. It's pretty safe. Maybe you will benefit, maybe you will not. You can even try lion diet. It's strict elimination diet that eliminates almost all possible allergens. It helps with autoimmune diseases. I heard that schizophrenia maybe an autoimmune disease. People heal from arthritis on it.
I think even though you do not take anti psychotic/ stress reducing medication, then you keep on having involuntary movements, which is very annoying, it makes you clumsy, it did that to me. when you don't need the stress reducing medication, then you might get a bit manic, then you should stop immediately, because it has taken me some time to calm down again.
Does anyone know how to hold of Joanna, I would like to talk to her myself about these psychiatric drugs myself???
Has she got some website of how to get hold of her and how I could zoom her to talk to her about these types of drugs.
Society needs to wake up, these drugs are NOT doing any good, but doing much worse in the long term run.
Matt
You ca read Dr. Peter Breggin's website also CCHR has valuable information.
was forced to take risperdal then went on to have 4 shots of paliperidone. i had my last one was feburary, i didnt have schizophrenia or anything, i was in hospital due my eating disorder. i am worried its done permanent brain damage. i have severe anhedonia, lack of motivation , slow thinking cant concentrate,no periods , suicidal and insomnia. its now june and no improvement, i have no dopamine or serotonin . i am doomed and going to be like this forever i am
Your brain will recover. It will take time. If you think depressed, you feel depressed. Do you love animals? Then go do something for animals. People on TH-cam cut-clean peoples yard, or cleaning some one else's stuff they want cleaned. Feed a hungry person or animal... to find meaning and have a purpose in life. Do not stay inside 24 hours a day.
You are in prodroma phase of SZ/SZA. This phase can last up to 10 years.
How are you now
@@Burevestnik9M730 i have taken risdone plus one pill one month. By mistake. After this i feel less passionate to life and my mind is not quick.when i feel like myself again
@@honeyarora1131 she got full-blown SZ and is now institutionalized. the differential diagnosis is BPD self-destructive subtype
Psychologist and Psychiatrist are a modern day church and priest . DSM 1 ,2,3 📚 pure faerie tales. Repeat a lie many times and it becomes a truth!
All the DSM are fairy tales. Dr James Davies has a great lecture titled Big Pharma Exposed
How do they recover when the average time between the onset is 2 years? And prodroma can last 10 years with 40-50% chance to convert to full blown SZ. These prodroma can be negative symptoms only, positive only, or occurring at the same time.
fantastic woman!!
Can the person return to same cognitive abilities before the onset of the illness?
To tell you the truth anythings' possible
What illness?.
@@capresti3537 “schizophrenia” or worst it used to be called : “ Dementia praecox “
All very well but many with longterm serious mental illness struggle with work / occupation. The real myth is why psychiatrists do not help more with pursuading government that those with enduring problems should be given lifelong financial support without the need for multiple re assessments . Unfortunately psychiatrists will not admit their treatments , either psychological or pharmacological , are not great. In fact by pushing the idea that you can heal serious mental illness you cause further problems . Its frustrating that psychiatrists are not more open about this.
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The psychiatrist interviewing has TD Tardive Diskenesia which I know how to cure but I’m not an MD just someone who heals and cures people with plants and allopathic drugs as well as hormones and homeopathy/orthomolecular medicine.
I noticed that too!
I hope you recognize that Dissociative Identity Disorder is not Psychosis.
Can we heal from antipsychotics induced Anhedonia? Are antipsychotics the real cause of anhedonia?
No certainly not
Antipsychotics not only cause anhedonia but also akathisia, strokes, heart attacks including cancer.
I'm curious what this woman has to say, but I don't have the patience for 1 hour and 22 minutes of talking. Why can't people be more concise?
Yes. It's infuriating that don't make clips with answers like more popular channels do. It would be so helpful. I am also inpatient
You guys probably have adhd 😊
I do not understand why people especially psychologist always undermining Psychiatry ? Jealousy or feeling inadequate comparing themselves from psychiatrist who are medical doctors with training in psychiatry , pharmacotherapy . Lot of Psychologist has failed the ability to prescribe medications .
Psychiatry is pseudoscience. They are not real doctors as they do not study and practice a science. Psychology is also a pseudoscience and the same ideology as psychiatry.
Is taking 2.5 mg Aripiprazole daily causes weight gain and diabetes. Please reply.
No certainly not
Thanks
Absolutely yes, and permanent brain damage.
OOPS THIS WONT HELP ME I'M NOT SCHIZOPHRENIC. I'M SUFFERING WITH COMPLEX PTSD.......
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Brain differ, the model is too semplificare. what about people on the 98 percentile of the human bell curve?
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Drugs are not the answer.
Psychistru killed me via constipation
Make me King and everything will be fine. My grandmother turned me into Catholic prophecy. Made things worse
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th-cam.com/video/J1wxFdiB81Y/w-d-xo.html - please read the description of the video but this was a covert recording of a conversation I had just before being forcefully restrained and injected with an antipsychotic. It’s totally wrong and unethical!
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My 17 year son was diagnosed with acute psychosis. was prescribed on Olanzapine 20 mg / daily. it is now 17 days passed, yet his symptoms did not improve a bit. took him to another psychiatric he added another antipsychotic medicine of Invega 3 mg daily along with the Olanzapine 20 mg. I have extensive search about the possibilities of this doctor's medication approach, but found it mostly not recommended. i do not have access to seek third opinion due to financial issues without insurance coverage whatsoever. is there anyone who faced such issue with two medications of same class given concurrently for similar condition, should i give him the two medications? or to be safer stick to the olanzapine 20 mg daily for now and wait and see. any thought or guidance will be highly appreciated. thank you.
How is he now
Very informative. Thanks.