Why You NEED To Watch Pixar's Turning Red! | J vs Ben: REVIEW
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Today J and Ben give their full spoiler review of Disney Pixar’s latest movie to drop on Disney Plus: Turning Red! Is it their new favorite Pixar movie?!
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My spouse and I had a discussion on what the Red Panda represents. We agreed that the size of the red panda is proportional to the amount of repressed emotions. The mom's giant size is due to her not confronting/expressing her feelings to her mom including the guilt she feels for their fight. Mei Lin's Red Panda is relatively small because she just started hiding her feelings.
I was about to say something almost exactly like this! I immediately thought about the size of her mom's panda, and it shows just how much of a child at heart she was at Mei's age. It shows just how painful it was for her mom to become who she is today and I think really clears up just why the relationship with her mom is so strained
I saw the documentary of the film and they say the red panda refers having a lot of hair out of nowhere, new smells. And the up and down emotions. The panda represents puberty and the emotional and physical changes it brings.
I also saw the documentary and you are correct about the red panda herself. I'm talking about their volume/largeness only. Each family member had a differently sized red panda. Some were Mei Lin small, most were slightly larger than Mei Lin, but the mom was the largest, and her red panda had probably grown larger since the last time that she turned into a red panda because of continued suppression/repression of her feelings/guilt.
That mostly makes sense, but then the panda should have got much bigger after she first lost control of it and her husband said he saw it once - that time when she lost control fighting about her relationship with him - and "she was huge!"
That wouldn’t really make sense, though… remember, the original panda was of a woman who wanted to protect her village from bandits- I doubt having *repressed* emotions be the thing that increases panda size would be advantageous in that situation. The original panda-woman had her whole village and children at stake- I doubt she was repressing much, and she’s need to be as big as possible. The gods that granted this panda wish would probably want her to be big, so they’d link the size to something she did possess a lot of, right?
Nobody in the whole review mentions the immigrant angle.
Being a child of immigrant parents, Turning Red absolutely NAILED the culture clash and weight of expectations.
10/10.
Right. The whole “I sacrificed so much for you so you could have these (very specific) opportunities (which you will NOT) deviate from, and anything less than 110% is a disappointment and you letting down your entire family. While still fulfilling traditional gendered expectations from our culture. “
Well, you also have to recognize that the reviewers might not be children of immigrants. Children of immigrants can easily see that relativity, regardless of ethnic background, because it what they’ve dealt with on a daily basis.
I think that’s what makes it soooo relatable to especially anyone who grew up here! We either were that kid or were friends with that kid!
@@Giselle.829
Maybe? But I certainly recalled my poc classmates have those Exact same struggles (either said to me or to eachother in passing). It’s still something non-immigrants can pick up on, even if they decide they need to preface it with “I think This played a part as well, but I’m Not. Let us know what you think in the towel section down below” or something along those lines.
Yes! Across any culture, I’m West Indian and my family is the same way
I would LOVE to talk to you about all things turning red & all the canada references!! (and yes can confirm i felt like this movie was made for me)
lol i was thinking the same thing when I was watching this 😂
WOAH HI AMANDA!!!!
Please do! I'd love to see this!!!!!!
I saw a box of TimBits from Tim Hortons! I’m not Canadian, but I live around the Great Lakes where certain Canadian things slip through and Tim Hortons is one of them. They have great donuts and coffee btw
Ohmygod, you found this video! :D
I don't want to discredit anyone's experience, but this was almost EXACTLY my experience as a 13 year old. I've seen pretty harsh reviews that criticize the movie for not being relatable but I think people need to take a step back and recognize that it is other people's exact experience.
I grew up in Ottawa, 4 hours from Toronto, and was boy obsessed and boy band crazy like Mei and her group of friends. Instead of drawing boys as mermaids, I wrote fanfiction. My friend group was just as diverse as the one in the movie too. Where these aspects turned some viewers off, it made me love and connect with the story even more.
Bro I love deviantART I love it even more when I see people drawing furries and I love drawing Pokemon and Mario fan art
It was SO RELATABLE TO ME!!!!
I didn't relate to the characters in this story, but still found the movie worthwhile. People forget that we can enjoy and gain insight from stories even if we personally don't relate to the main character(s). Reliability should not be the criteria by which we decide whether or not a movie is worthy. Additionally, if people we care about relate to characters and/or situations in this movie, or any other story, we can gain some valuable insight about their views and experiences.
Exactly. I wasn't into boy bands but I certainly was obsessed with other things!
THIS PART!
It's so frustrating when people who have been centered in media for SO long discredit a movie or think lesser of it because it doesn't not 100% relate to the experiences they've had. However, I also think it's a complete lack of imagination on the part of those individuals, because the themes of familial expectations, puberty, teenage crushes, friendship, etc that we're ALL in this movie are somewhat universally relatable. Just because it is presented in a package you don't recognize doesn't mean that with a little bit of deeper thought that you won't find connection and relatability in it. Try harder people!
As a former teenage girl, I related hardcore to this movie. I can see why you guys didn't click with it, seeing as 1) your family dynamic is among the healthiest I have ever seen; 2) I get Neurodivergent vibes with the Panda, which is not exactly an avenue that has held you guys back; 3) The expectations on "becoming a woman" are overwhelming in the healthiest of families, but then you have the added expectations of the generations.
There is so much pressure to grow up and be the docile, obedient, calm, friendly woman.
It hits the 13-year-old girl vibes HARD and I am here for it. I was transported right back to middle school through it.
honestly me too
As a former teenage girl as well, I’ve never seen a movie be related and realistic for a girl like that before!!! PADS mentioned, normally etc.
@@GGNDRiRock On this, during watching the movie, I thought the panda was actually kinda a representation of puberty, while at the same time she wasn't going through puberty yet rofl, because at the same time puberty makes oneself more emotional
That’s what I thought too. It was she decided not to be the “perfect woman” like society pressures women to be. Instead she chose to keep that side of her and let it out when needed. Women aren’t supposed to get sad or mad but smile more. And she rejected that!
This is exactly review I was going to leave so I just second this!!!
How Mei felt guilty about having “innaporpiate” thoughts on boys was so relatable. I used to feel so much guilt and shame when I was a preteen for fantasying about the boys I liked.
I was so happy they included those things, like the process of her from suppressing it to being obsessed in a short time
Thats true. And when her mom created that scene infront of that boy i was really fervently wishing it was just a nightmare
@@sibanipanigrahy5509 I wonder if that was based off a true event
OMG YESS!!! I felt like that all time when I was that age!
Deeply relatable! It’s like they start to happen when you still think about yourself as a kid, and you don’t realize yet that childhood is temporary, so you don’t know how to process it.
I saw the documentary of the film and they refer to the red panda as having a lot of hair out of nowhere, new smells. And the up and down emotions. The panda represents puberty and the emotional and physical changes it brings.
I came down here to say that. I didn't even watch the documentary and I figured that out. Girls go through insane emotional upheaval during puberty, and you have to learn to control it. Whether it be your temper, or your reactions to things that evoke big emotional spikes. I'm fairly sure that the ritual is a pretty good representation of birth control, which can take the "panda" away in a sense.
Makes perfect sense. My only question is then why is the moms panda so giant compared to Mei's or the grandmas?
Exactly, ist literally called Turning Red. This is about puberty and more specifically female puberty. Witch is rarly talked about so honestly.
That's pretty obvious. I mean, at one point in the movie, "red red monster" was mistaken to mean period. The allegory isn't exactly hidden, it's pretty on the nose.
Yea I thought this was common knowledge and one of the main reasons for both negative and positive reviews. I just started the video and if they don't address this it's kinda a useless video imo, it's literally the main theme of the movie. I mean, it's a RED PANDA, it's very on the nose
The fact that they showed pads in such a normal was awesome! periods have being around since the beginning of humanity idk why it’s so taboo to talk about something every women goes through.
👏🏼👏🏼
Not equivalent example but similar, if a male protagonists was talking about the “issue” of morning wood, I can’t imagine audience being comfortable hearing and visualizing it. Again not saying morningwood is as bad as periods, far from it; I’m just saying that stuff related to the human body can be uncomfortable to talk about, especially if someone doesn’t have a understanding in the first place.
BECAUSE they brought it up I love the movie
@@wkeezz periods and morning wood are two completely different things.
not only women have periods :)
As an Asian-Canadian with lots of aunts in my homeland, the decision of the elder generations to just lock away their Red Pandas honestly felt entirely honest and representative of how I think my generation and theirs differ. I hear my aunts talking about things that they have just accepted that I would hate to live with forever, but it is just what they've decided long ago and they've made buried peace with it for years now, because they had to and that's just how it is, and they move on with life. It's just a completely different type of mindset.
i personally think the women just became comfortable with who they became without their panda. Maybe when they were younger they might have needed it but as of now they are okay with where Mei is choosing to live with it.
Maybe they should name this movie to turning a furry
Now that you mention it... Yeah! They seem very comfortable with their choice of letting go of their pandas lol..
But I don't think they initially would have agreed with Mei's decision or Mei's own interests as a teenager.. But they did agree eventually because of how far things have escalated at the end of the movie.. Maybe I dunno
Maybe.... For most of the women out there.
As a woman I see the panda and the accepting of the panda at the end as accepting your emotions where women are told to control them and she’s constantly trying to fight her feelings and she becomes happiest when she just accepts them. As her father says “we have to make room for them” instead of pushing them away and I think that’s a super important message for adolescents
I have 11 and 13-year-old daughters and the 13-year-old and I laughed so hard at one scene that we had to pause the movie, back it up 15 seconds, and pause it again for us to laugh. The scene: when she makes the slide show presentation to try to convince her parents to let her go to the concert. My 13-year-old has literally made PowerPoint presentations to try to convince us to get her a phone and then to let her have TikTok. (She got the phone, but no TikTok as of yet. lol) I also had to assure them at several points in the movie that I would not act like the mom. I have to wonder, Ben, if this movie will hit you differently when your daughter is the age of the characters. I know it felt emotionally true to our household even though we are a mixed-race American family. Like the movie wasn't literally us, but it emotionally is us.
I liked the decision for the older women to stay panda-less. I think it makes a statement about how it's okay that they have chosen the life they have chosen, but things do change with younger generations. Thus Mei Lin will choose to keep her panda, but that doesn't mean the older ladies will immediately be able to change their identity just because the movie happened. After all, the story was Mei Lin's growth and not theirs
I can say this, when the mom approached the dude at the store I felt that. I didn't have that exact experience, but my mom read my diary and she approached my boyfriend's mom. My friend's circle found out about it but I totally got our girl. She was relatable.
I know some people have a real issue with the preteen "cringe" that is throughout the movie, but personally I really enjoyed it. I can remember being that cringey girl growing up and it made me audibly laugh looking at it through adult lenses now.
I cringed, but I had so much sympathy for being that age.
@@emilydouglas3610 oh I cringed too, but it was enjoyable cringe.
@@KeilaAnn3610 Exactly how I felt.
Wholesome cringe
normalize being a teenage or preteen cringe child ❤ I loved it so much 🥰
The irony in you guys praising Pixar for trying to normalize periods and talking about them while doing everything you can to avoid the term period.
shaaaaaaaaaade.
Baby steps, we encourage progress
@@lucisventusnoctis true true.
LOL, mic drop.
I know! Saying every word except period. If they have female partners or children they need to get used to it!
As a Canadian who lives in Toronto, I loved all of the Canada/Toronto references in the movie and I also appreciated Ben’s trip to the 6ix. Thanks for stopping by! 😂😂🍁
I'm from the Netherlands and I love that you use the leaf emoji for a maple leaf, whenever I see anyone talking about Amsterdam and use that emoji it's like.. well.. let's just say definitely *not* a maple leaf lol
I think the reason I didn't get more into it at first was that it was too good at capturing what it feels like to look back on being a middle schooler. The second hand embarrassment was real but that was the point I guess 😂
I know. A lot of people said it was cringy but I think they were more like no I don't want to relive those experiences and even I wanted to skip it a little bit but I think those moments made the movie better. No censoring, no anything. Just straight hard cold truth of what the authors experience was like
I was 3 years old in 2002, I'm a Hispanic male, who grew up in Texas, and I found it incredibly relatable
Disney is the Trick-or-Treating of themeparks. As a kid, it's amazing and magical. Hit your tweens, and you're "too old" for such things. Hit 14/15 and it's back to being the best thing in the world.
That is a shockingly good analogy! Thank you.
I was 13 in 2011, but I still related like crazy to Mei and her friends. It was incredibly refreshing watching girls fangirling and being weird together in a way the movie isn't trying to mock but understand. also: PADS! IN A PIXAR MOVIE! ACTUAL PADS!!!
I was 13 in 2012- 2013 but same
It was also great that it wasn't making fun of sanitary products, just that Ming went a bit far, like creeping on her at school trying to give them to her.
Exactly what I'd expect from Pixar.
We're the same age!
*is struggling with math* So I was born in 2004. I was 10 in 2014. 14-11 = 3. 10-3 = 7. I was 7 in 2011.
@@adventurekitty1016 this is how I think math
19:21 I actually was like that with the "I want to grow up but just can't" personality or in better words, maturity. So I can relate to Meilin in some way which makes the watching experience better, for me at least
The panda represents a girls transition into adulthood and the changes that come with starting to have periods and biiig hormonal swings XD
Hence 'Turning RED'
So much of this movie is brilliant in how it communicates the difficulties girls can have during this time in their life. I also really appreciated how there was none of the stereotypical bullying during the film between girls; they made the changes that the main character was going through DESIREABLE and AWESOME and everyone wanted it too, and I think that was so refreshing rather than having her made fun of, teased, or bullied.
Thank you Pixar, thank you for this breath of fresh air.
Yes!
I think you do have to tick certain boxes to relate to this movie better because while I’m not a girl or Canadian, I am a Chinese person living in the west and I understood and enjoyed all the specific cultural aspects of those parts of the movie. I enjoyed the movie more because it tells a story from a perspective that I see life through as well.
I am a female but not Asian or Canadian but it was still really healing. Definitely think there were references I did not understand, but I think it did a good job overall with relating to a wide audience.
I’m a woman, but ace not allo, and not chinese. It was still healing for me, and I could see So Many People I knew growing up, especially east/southeast asian and other woc classmates. And personally I enjoyed it FAR more than Luca
I’m quite the opposite - I’m Canadian and a girl, and found the first half of the movie _painfully_ relatable to the point where I kind of wanted to skip ahead on rewatches
I am Canadian, a girl born in the 1990s, and weirdly also played the flute in middle school. My family has generational issues, and I have grandparents that were immigrants, so I really related to this movie. Though I am not Chinese in any way, that is the only part I did not relate to. I loved it!!! It was wonderful to watch; I myself am trying to break the chains/patterns, so to speak, and I must say it is not an easy path to take, but I know it will be rewarding!!!!
So yes, I 100% agree. I feel like you have to check certain boxes to relate to and fully appreciate this movie.
I actually don't think you have to tick certain boxes to like the movie, I just think few have imagination these days as white people (or really the dominant perspective) aren't used to being the opposite position where they don't have anything to relate to (but even then they could, if they were more open and tried because there's a lot of universal things in the movie like puberty and hiding things from your parents) but even if you didn't relate to it, when have we needed to relate to a movie to like it? We've had plenty of movies where the main character has experiences that we probably don't relate to. Like war movies, I think most of us haven't been in war or are a war veteran but that doesn't mean we don't emphasize with the experiences of the soldier(s). I've never been a 12 year old boy who went to a fantastical camp, had ADHD and dyslexia, who was abused by their step father and had a single mother and had a father who's a god who's barely around. Does that mean I don't like Percy Jackson? No. I've never been a spy, an adventurer, a mermaid, a superhero, princess, a Pakistan, latina, black girl, a blind boy, I've never fallen in love and had my heart broken but does that mean I don't love these stories? NO! Because stories are to understand other people and contrary to belief, you don't need to relate to them to understand it, even if relating to them makes it easier. There's also such thing as suspension of belief and ig I'm arguing 2 different things but it saddens me that they can believe turning into giant red pandas but they can't understand a 13 year old Asian girl
My 10 year old twin daughters, getting ready for puberty, liked it so much they watched it twice in 3 days.
Ben said Incredibles 2 was the first Pixar film to have characters openly drink alcohol. Except Ratatouille had that too. There was even a scene where Skinner made Linguini get drunk to try to get him to spill the beans. And that film was rated G!!
I think the whole bathroom scene was so funny. I love when the mom was knocking on the door and thinking omg she turning into a woman the dad backs away and was like umm no. But I have to give the mom props for this scene. Being well prepared to talk to her about this embarrassing situation it can be. A lot of girls might not have this and have to go through it alone. But I love how this movie just hits home for me as being a preteen during that time.
Hearing Ben's "enjoyment" rating blew my mind. Turning red probably is my my new favorite Pixar movie.
While I only overlap with 1 of the demographics (I'm a white woman living in America) everything about the messaging resonated so deeply with me that I had to spend a good half hour processing it.
Yup! I made notes to bring up in therapy!
If you like it, fine. But do not tell me it's better than Coco, Inside Out, Up, Finding Nemo, and every Toy Story movie.
@@coolnerdlll6053 Jeez relax, ever heard of opinions?
The thing about it for me is that Mei Lin raised the money with her friends. For that alone she should have been able to go as she learned life lessons like entrepreneurship and budgeting.
we stan parents attempting to teach there kids economics😍(aka my very lovely father)(it did not work)
@@Finn_River Yeah, they should go with the dad
What if your kid made the money doing something that wasn’t right? Like making buttons that made fun of someone, a la Draco Malfoy?
The mother and grandmother both contained their red pandas. However, they both remained incredibly protective it what is presented as a very matriarchal family system. Their's were also very controlled personalities and approaches to life. And that worked for when and where they grew up and lived. But Mei is a new generation, in a new world. Who will be approaching her life differently, simply because the world is different.
This felt like a metaphor for puberty and kind of finding your identity in the awkward stage that is the teen years. Especially when you’re a kid that’s sheltered. The panda definitely represented that, because boy when you go through puberty those emotions are unpredictable.
In 2002 I was 12 and I’m Latina from Miami, I definitely related to some of the things in the film and though my parents weren’t strict like her mom, I knew a lot of people that did have those overbearing helicopter moms. And not only was it the boy band era but I was also already hard into anime by then: DBZ, SailerMoon, Pokémon, Ghost in the Shell, and Naruto.
I agree 100%
As a latina person,,,same!!!
I’ve been waiting for this! Now the next video is how this movie fits in the Pixar Theory!
I feel like how it fits is pretty straight forward
@@marvelsmagictrio2825 does 22 from Soul become Meilin? 👀
@@ethanuy2261 It's bound to be a SCB video eventually.
@@ethanuy2261 no cuz she landed in Asia Meilin is Canadian
I still think she fits raya really well
@@madnessarcade7447 Raya isn’t from a Pixar film, but who knows maybe 22’s trajectory down to earth completely shifted to Toronto. I think Mei and Wall-E are the leading candidates on what 22 will eventually become.
one of my favorite parts was at the beginning when people were talking about the type of person she was, and the principal was all "slightly annoying"...and then at the end, the dad being all "I said she was big". i really LIKED that they didn't just give up all the details; she never told her mother that it was her friends she thought about to change back. they never SHOWED the mom hurting the grandmother...but uh, where did they get the box of kittens? i'd have to say my inner-panda is writing, and i'd give it like an 80%.
It's a box of immortal of kittens they keep in a closet somewhere until they need to do the panda test (JK though, idk. They'll probably never tell us...)
I think theres like a sterotype/ myth/ reality that cats often hang around a lot of shrines in asian cultures, and they put some adult cats in the background of the movie to be like, hey these are the kitten's parents? [I just made that assumption lol]
I understand this is a Pixar Movie, but I feel like Pixar grabbed Mulan and Brave and said "I could do it better" and did. Like the amount of references to Mulan were amazing clear as day, for example the rice porridge was prepared the same way as Mushu did for Mulan with the eggs for eyes and a bacon mouth; the music after Tyler´s party, when Meilin is with her mother sounds a lot like the "Ancestor, hear my plea" song and the scene of the mirror with the ancestor is basically the representation of Meilin asking herself if she is being authentically herself without dishonoring the family and just like Mulan she chose what she felt was the right thing to do. Also as a side note the father figure give to Mei was such an awesome character to have, since it is not that common to have father-daugther time that clarifies doubt in escencial moments like this in pixar.
I took the Red Panda as that quirk that runs in the family and that now you´ve got, but your family doesn´t talk about it since they learnt to hide it and ignore it, for me it´s my curly afro hair. Just now at 20 years old, I could see that my hair is my personal stamp and that I should love it no matter what, my mom doesn´t approve of my choice, but she fully respects the path I have taken. So the Red Panda is not necessarily one specific thing, but whatever you know you have, but your family don´t want to deal with.
Thanks for reading, if you did
Definitely see some Mulan parallels, but just as a side note, Brave is a pixar production.
You didn't relate? I was 13 in 1993 and also a boy and I still totally related to it. And now my daughters are 10 so Inalso related as a parent.
Critics: We don’t like this movie because we can’t relate to it
Me: Oh so the only reason you liked The Batman was because you’re a billionaire who’s parents died and you fight clowns in a bat suit
It has 95% on rotten tomatoes so i dont know what critics you’re referring to lol
@@mrkylemarshall you have a good taste in channels my friend
HANDHDJD LITERALLY
o.o
But I am vengeance.
All joking aside, I'm a white guy from the UK and I bloody loved Turning Red. Also it's weird to think that I'm technically younger than Mei by at least 10 years.
I seriously loved this film, I was so excited with the films Pixar has been releasing, like this and Soul and Luca! It did remind me a bit of Inside Out due to the challenges of growing up and change, but I like that they focused on how Asian culture can affect change
I took it as Red Panda = Hormones. Emotions fluctuate like crazy due to the hormones and when the emotions are at a 9-10 she'd go panda. Though the older generation saw it as a "beast within" to push down.
I kept my creative writing passion to myself for a long time and it surprised my mother when I finally told her that I wanted to become a novelist because I had never spoken to her about it before.
I think our inner panda is sometimes so personal that we feel the need to keep it to ourselves for a while just to make sure that it doesn't become corrupted or influenced by the world or the ways of society. It's a defense mechanism to feel the need to conceal something like a love for art in a world that values it very little.
I loved this take on Turning Red -- and I think that might be a part of why I related to Mei so much. When I was Mei's age and beginning to grasp how the world really worked I remember feeling like the world was boxing me in -- keeping my panda concealed -- and I wanted not to be shut away but to show everyone who I really was. This is something almost every person goes through in one way or another and that's why this movie is so inspiring.
I'm really tired of men dogging this movie... this movie was so much from the female tween perspective every women I've talked to who has seen it felt it had been taken from their own diaries. It captivated the emotions of these experiences SO WELL I felt like I was reliving them. It also hammered in the heartbreaking dynamic of mothers and daughters and generational female trauma... instead of saying "I don't relate do I don't like it" I wish there was more of an attitude of "so many women relate to this I think I have something I can learn here"
It's incredibly charming and I think a very important conversation piece for women and young youth.
Very well said. I really think they missed the mark with this video and missed the opportunity to ask women how they felt about the movie.
Yes! I would love to hear Beth and Alyce's review of this movie.
It's funny because it's never been a problem before when it was on their side but the tables turn, they're like I don't like it. These experiences may be very specific but the "I don't relate to it" has never been a problem before. At least with me, I haven't related to a lot of these stories, heck Soul could count as also a specific real person experience that I've never felt before (like they said it was existentialism and I'm not the age yet) but it's not like I can't or don't like the movie. It's funny to see the shoe on the other foot
I can’t believe some men couldn’t find anything at all to relate to this film. Like, were you never a cringey, awkward teenager? Did you never have a rift with your parents during puberty? Never experienced new, sometimes overwhelming and “embarrassing” feelings that you had to try come to terms with? You never lied to your parents as a kid? You haven’t grown away from your parents expectations into your own person? Never thought to challenge existing generational trauma? Surely they have experienced at least some form of any of the themes touched on in this coming of age film. Surely these people that “can’t relate” are not one dimensional bc that’s the only way I can see anybody not taking anything from Turning Red.
@@leto9712 No, I was never a cringey, awkward teenager (I was a quiet bookworm). I never had a rift with my parents during puberty or any other time(Catholic, strict but fair, caring, good senses of humor, also bookworms). No, I have never experienced new, overwhelming and embarrassing feelings that I had to try to come with terms with (being a bookworm introduced me to the gamut of emotions, puberty was kind of a letdown from the emotional roller coaster everyone makes it out to be). The few lies I told my parents were never the kind that would be movie worthy (never even snuck out as a kid). Never had any existing generational trauma to even consider challenging (grandparents were loving, hard working, good senses of humor). Of course I have experienced some form of some of the themes touched on in this film (just none of the ones that seemed central to the film itself). So I am being quite honest when I say that I can't relate to this film. As for the fact that you think anyone that can't take anything from this film is one dimensional, well, that says more about you than them.
I love this movie. Love love love. I definitely related to so much of it that I was definitely ugly crying a lot. I was super disappointed and upset when Disney decided to keep it on Disney plus. Turning Red deserves the big screen! I also started cracking up when you guys were talking about how Disney employees might be working through some childhood trauma because they've really been hitting that on the head even more so in these recent releases.
Actually Cars used the word "sexy" before. The old lady car says she wants to see that "sexy hotrod" pave the road.
I never go to the theater to watch animated movies but I've watched all these almost as soon as they came out on streaming so I think that's something to consider.
I literally saw me and my friends in Mei Lin and her friends. Reminded me so much of my time as a 13 year old in 8th grade
I can understand why Ben wouldn't enjoy Turning Red as that much, because he is a man who was never a teenage girl. As a woman who was once a teenage girl, I enjoyed it very much and I wasn't disappointed. It reminds me so much of when I was a 13 year old girl. I give it a 9 out of 10.
I don't think this is right. I'm also a man who was never a teenage girl and ADORED this movie, and it's now my favorite Pixar film (and that's saying something because Up, Wall-e, the Incredibles, Luca, Coco, Soul, etc are friggin amazing). His lack of firsthand experience may have influenced his opinion, but I don't think that maleness precludes loving this film.
Worst Pixar movie ever
@@ScheifeleTower Care to give some reasons i would love to hear them
I was 13 in 2011, and I am both Canadian and a girl, so I understood that implicitly, but I am not Chinese or have any Chinese heritage. But I related so hard to Mei and her friends, though the main source of nostalgia for me were all the Canadianisms, and references. Loved the movie
As a mixed-race woman with an Asian mother; who was 13 during this time in the movie, it portrayed how it felt to be 13 during 2002 precisely. I cried every time I watched this. I was an outcast in middle school. Until I got accepted and then transferred to an art school, I bloomed similarly to the main character in this film. I adore this movie, which will always be my favorite Disney film.
It was like they stole my diary and watched my dreams!
@@piperarcher9706 exactly like when she started to draw the anime-like drawing of the guy. Like how did they know? But it was comforting that I wasn't the only one to do that as a girl. All this time, I thought I was weird. lol
As a middle school teacher, I feel they did a good job representing Mei's friend group. I have a lot of students who hang together and when they're in a group they become a unit lol, but seperted they are their own people. I think trends have a way of shaping kids similar.
I was 13 in 96 and a parent of a 13 year old, I could relate to both sides. I also believe what Jay said in 27:09
Re: parenting - One of the best thoughts I've heard about being a parent is that you are supposed to end up with a functioning adult. Which means that they have to be able to deal with the problems and frustrations that come up in life. Overprotectiveness never lets them develop. But as you say, you want to prevent them getting hurt in ways that leave lasting trauma. A hard line to cover. But it looks like the little Carlin kids have a pretty good shot.
As a Canadian myself I loved all the little references to Canadian culture: daisy mart, tim bits, loonies and toonies, SKY DOME, even the quick bit of French class was so relatable and funny! I was also that kid that had a tamagochi , played the flute, loved boy bands, and thought my mom was my best friend 😂
As far as the 2 animation studios, its kinda like having multiple children in the same immediate family, they're equally loved but they're different people(animation studios) who have different strengths
I loved at the little nods to Toronto! From the love of the Skydome to the streetcar design to the little blue jay at the end. I could feel the love the director has for the city ❤️
I feel like Ben’s score might go up once Addie gets older 😂😂
I have to admit that I really enjoyed the movie. It was weird and really out there, and that's what I liked about it. I really enjoy when animated projects that don't shy away from family problems, teenage drama or social issues. The characters, animation and voice acting were all done very well. They did a good job of showing how scary changing and growing up can be, but it happens for a reason.
But like any other Disney movie, the problem is mostly resolved to quickly. Forgiving and moving on is important, but its not easy (like they make it seem in their movies). Ming did the exact same thing to Mei that her mother did to her - and she didn't see that? If nothing is ever going to be good enough, you shouldn't push a child to be perfect. Healing can happen...but it takes time.
(Ming shouldn't need to apologize. She may have given her mother that scar, but it was Wu's controlling and overbearing nature that caused such an act.)
People may call the portrayal of Chinese culture in this movie racist or stereotypical; but it isn't if its all fact. Most families of Asian cultures are very controlling and pass that toxic quirk to their children. Parents shouldn't push their desires onto their children, because than the children never get to live their own lives. If your kids rebel, its most likely because you're refusing to listen to them.
If there's a sequel, I seriously hope that Disney doesn't tone down the problems and issues of growing up.
I hadn’t heard anything negative from the chinese/asian communities. Most of the complaints I’ve seen were from whiny white men not liking 1) weird tween chinese-canadian protagonist and 2) le gasp!! Periods!??
But from the chinese/asian&woc communities? It’s been pretty positive. Granted I’m mostly on tumblr, but many of the people I’m mutuals with or follow are woc and haven’t really seen anything negative from those being represented
@@anonymousfellow8879 as a white male, i LOVED this movie and have told everyone I know to watch it immediately, and as someone who teaches middle school in Asia, it felt SO DEAD ON to what my students go through on a daily basis. This was my favorite Pixar movie.
As a Canadian girl who was 13 in 2002, I loved and related to many aspects of this movie!! One of my favourite Pixar films, love that it’s female led and driven, which we don’t get a lot of from Pixar. I like to think I’ve always let my panda be free, but it’s definitely been easier to do as an adult!!
I just don't understand. What was relatable about Inside Out, but not Turning Red?
I feel like the panda comes out when the individual decides to "rebel" against her mother. Because Mei's panda came out when her mother started embarrassing her mercilessly, which mom seems completely oblivious to because she just thinks she's doing the best for her daughter. But later in the movie it's revealed that Ming's panda came out when she rebelled against her mother about her boyfriend, Mei's dad. And in the bamboo forest at the end Ming seems older than Mei does and she's crying because she fought with her mom for the first time. And grandma told Mei that her and her mother were once close.
My favorite part about the movie is how they used 3d animation to mimic what Anime usually does with their characters in hilarious scenes by overexaggerating facial features and dimming the background tho it's not something exclusive to Anime, I'd still say it's very similar style BUT IN 3D! Like when she sweat so much in one scene, that was hilarious.
The first 5-10 minutes were kind of hard to get into the movie since it wasn’t the usual Pixar style but they adapted Asian movies perfectly and once you get warm with the movie, it is really good! 👍🏼😊
I agree. Once you watch it again and agin it really starts to grow with you
Yeah I was very overwhelmed the first ten minutes but then once I understood the world I was in
I find it was funny and reminds me of my own childhood because I was roughly the same age as Mei in 2002. I loved the themes and the anime features. But I agree, this might be niche and I think adults might enjoy it more than children. But it is the new trend with Disney/Pixar where persons who grew up on Disney are flocking to these movies
I felt like the panda was her ID and instead of repressing her Id she lived with her panda and let it be harmonious within her … because we do have to allow our desires to be acknowledged
I was telling my mom this. like the Panda was her at her most honest self, especially when mad, because. Like when her eyes started to glow, she was her most honest, when she wasn't surpressing her emotions about hating her heritage, among other things.
You guys are the best TH-camrs ever! Me and my family always say how does that fit into the Pixar theory and then somebody else says just thinking about it is making me teary. Thank you for always making me and all of your fans happy when you post a video!
Maybe it’s just me but one of the themes that I am seeing in the movies that they choose to do direct to video is that they all have heavier adult themes. Soul had a theme of life and death, Encanto was about healing family trauma, and turning red is about the turning of ages.
I was 13 in 2006 so I related heavily to this movie. I wouldn’t rank it as my top favorite Pixar movie (it doesn’t even make it into the top ten) but I enjoyed it nonetheless and I think it’s very important for preteen girls to have. They deserve a movie that’s meant for them, because I didn’t have a lot of movies that I could personally relate to growing up so I’m glad they have this one.
I agree with you.
I agree with what you guys said about Meilin’s mom, grandmother and aunts deciding to reseal their red panda selves. I honestly expected at least her mom and aunts to keep them unsealed like Meilin, or at least just her mom. Then again, Meilin’s mom’s red panda self being sealed in a Tamagotchi made me chuckle.
I loved this movie and saw so much of myself in Mei (15-year-old girl by the way and still happily watching all my favorite Disney classics! :) I felt finally understood, this movie will definitely be a favorite for me. I could totally relate to the family dynamics I was so shocked at how well they nailed the tween/teen life. Or at least one perspective of it, not everyone has the same experiences at this age.
I do, as a peer, confirm this is Pixar's journey. This story takes place in 2002. Meaning she was born in 1989 the same year "The Little Mermaid" came out. This is our generation growing up with the Disney renaissance and telling our story.
Just a quick thought lol, when they said Disney is hitting the generational trauma button hard in the last couple of years and wondered why, i immediately screamed "Its because that's how families of color are!!" That's the common denominator for the movie examples they mentioned and also, I'm a black girl from South Africa and even I related to all the generational trauma stuff especially with Turning Red and the expectations or pressures our mothers put on us. Just a thought, I may be wrong. Great review nonetheless.
Agreed! I was thinking to myself they may not realize it because they come from a white family raised in the south. Generally not a whole lot of generational trauma there haha
I think Seamus’ take on the streaming vs. theater release was pretty good. He talked about how he thinks animation especially will start to fade away from theatres and just go straight onto streaming services because those movies have not done especially well at the box office lately, and they’ve all been huge successes on Disney+ when all the kids can watch them freely.
Because you also have smash hits at the box office like no way home, which was huge beyond anyone’s expectation since people thought movies would still be underperforming due to covid.
“OUR NEW FAV PIXAR MOVIE?” Ya say that dam near every time
I loved all the Canadian references I freaked out when the timbits with the tim hortons logo from the early 2000s were put on the table but I feel they used the CN Tower a bit to much just to let you know “hey we’re in Toronto not some random American city” but it was a solid 8/10 but if I wasn’t Canadian I would say somewhere in the 6.7/10 to 7.3/10 area overall pretty good movie
I did indeed think that this movie was fantastic with the message that they want to spread, the animation was amazing as always, and they even did many things I did not expect
One of the key things that stuck with me cause its an issue with my friendship group at the moment was Mei's mum's constant criticism of her friends - its something that happens surprisingly often, and can cause a lot of problems (especially with friends you've had for a while). Its not a parents job to judge they're kids friends unless they ask you for help, or they are actively upsetting them!
Watching the red panda spirit be captured and contained
Me thinking: "Conceal, don't feel, don't let them know"
Then Mei decides to keep the panda
I think: “Well, now they know.”
I really loved Turning Red. One of my new favorites. In discussing Ming, Grandma, and the aunts going into the woods to contain their pandas, when Mei Mei decides not to go through the veil, one of the aunts says "Wait, you mean Mei Mei gets to keep her panda?" It was almost as if she was saying that she didn't want to contain hers, but had no choice growing up.
Funny how this is the second animated film that I've heard the word 'chook' in.
The first being in Coraline, in which Coraline is from Michigan.
And then Mei in Turning Red, set in Toronto.
Since I'm from the UK, I didn't know that this state and city are right next to each other.
We say chook in Australia too!
I don't feel like I had an inner panda just because my mom loved seeing my creativity and spontaneity, so I felt free to be whatever I wanted to be. Which thinking about it is such an amazing thing because as an adult I know that I have ADHD, and having been able to express myself freely in my home was probably huge and definitely not something a lot of ADHD kids get.
(As an example, one time in high school I was on a walk with my mom through the park and the park was MASSIVELY muddy, so I started sliding across the mud. Eventually the sliding turned into tobogganing across the mud, so I was just covered head to toe in mud. My mom just watched, laughing, probably taking pictures. Then when we left she found a towel in the car I could sit on so I didn't get everything else muddy and then got cleaned up at home like it was no big deal. I definitely hope to be like her for my kids. ❤)
In a world filled with people complaining about their parents because they didn’t do well and friends who told me I should talk about my nice mum because it made them angry and jealous….
I am so happy to read this and that you have a great mum!
@@kalimpoli5208 I'm sorry your friends are taking out the fact that they have bad parents on you. That's not cool! If anything they should just spend more time with your mom and be grateful they have a friend with a good mom. I'm glad you love your mom! That is awesome!
I loved this movie so much. As a part Asian girl who grew up with a very "controlling" mom who didnt let me do ANYTHING i really resonated with mei. Especially the part where she said "we do everything right & they still dont trust us". Mei trying to find herself while also having to deal with doing everything right to make her mom proud.
I say this as an adult white/hispanic male; I friggin LOVED this movie. Sure, it wasn't perfect (and Encanto arguably handled the generational trauma problem better already) but the animation and humor were top-notch, and it had some lovable characters. my top 5 were Probably 1. Priya/Abbey, 3. The Dad, 4. Mei, 5. Miriam. (no, I will not choose between Priya and Abbey. They each represent a side of my SOUL)
I was in college when I started reading Harry Potter. My group of friends would have found this weird. Then I found this channel and it helped me see other males that were ok loving Harry potter and Disney and I started to be ok with letting people know that I enjoyed them. It's ok to love sports and Harry Potter.
Agree man, I'm a 24yo huge nerd who also loves to watch football (soccer), you can definitely have both. Hobbies are for fun, if you enjoy them you should just keep going, even if they don't overlap. The more hobbies, the more interesting a personality imo.
Not to say “oh this movies for girls blah blah blah” but I know how much I related to the characters as a 15 year old girl and I really enjoyed the movie bc it’s talking about things that are relevant to tween/teenage girls
I agree. It will definitely be more relatable to girls. Not that the boys can't enjoy or relate, but we definitely "get it." As a 40 year old woman I related and remembered what it was like way back when I was 13. I wish I had a movie like this then to help me feel better about the changes I was facing.
uhuh uhuh, 110% agree - while it also has extremely important roots in other marginalised groups (people from Asian decent, and.is being Canadian a marginalised group????), it definitely had parts that very much felt by women, through women, for women, u know?
Man that was a good discussion on the film. Especially your discussion on 'releasing your own panda' really good stuff guys.
I loved the film, it felt very fresh and new. I liked how the cultural aspect and the puberty aspect was handled, it never felt like you were being beaten over the head about it. Pixar nearly always seem to handle topics like that in a nice, relaxed way.
I've seen many dub this film as being predictable, and yeah nothing in it surprised me massively, but you know it doesn't have to. It was well told, well paced, some great animation, really funny moments and of course a tolerable dose of cringe suitable for the characters & plot.
I was 13 in 2004, I remember the girls in my class being exactly that obsessed with boy bands. But as a boy, I found relating harder, but not impossible, school pressure/friend pressure/parent pressure is something all kids have to figure out how to balance.
Overall I enjoyed the movie, although it was not as emotional as I expected a Pixar movie to be. I found the first few minutes pretty cringe, but as a quick-cut montage to get to know the main character, it was effective. I was very put off by the mother's huge overreactions. What parent would find a child's crush doodle and storm up to the person it's about and accuse them of assaulting the child and show them the doodles? The way that scene plays out, it's like the mother never went through puberty herself and doesn't understand that kids start liking people like that at that point in their lives.
The mom made me so angry the whole movie ( probably on purpose. We always need a bad guy) but when they went to the spirit world and she was a little girl , it softened my heart for her. in my opinion, I think that’s why the mom red panda was so big because she held everything in and never let out her wild side in fear of disappointing her mom. And the fact that they were told to never let it out.
Omg I bawled my eyes out! seeing how wounded the mother was and her guilt and fear was heartbreaking... and its something I recognized in my own mother.
@@piperarcher9706 Right, I was crying at that part too. It was so sad.
@@presto_pesto yeah. I think a lot of parents are unfortunately like that. I didn't have a mom so overprotective that they would walk to the person and embarrass me out in public because that would just cause a scene but I've heard horrible things from my classmates parents. Sometimes it's just like that. Parents can be very unreasonable sometimes so even if it could be an exaggeration and I did not like the mother, I understood and of course emotional trauma she has dealt with which was shown at the end
Turning Red was one of the funniest Pixar movies I've seen I think
I really liked the editing of this film it made me think "wow it's been a while since I've seen a movie feel so alive in a while."
Also immigrant child who also draws yes working through generational trauma and many of my friends are also going to therapy and trying to do the same.
The other women not keeping their pandas reminds me of in my (chinese Singaporean) family, my aunts are living the lives they created while they were who they were, and I many ways suddenly "embracing the panda" can undermine those lives. Not like sunk cost, but the actual lives and relationships they currently have. The way they show love and support is in supporting the choice of their daughters/nieces, and honestly it feels so incredible to get that kind of support from them.
As for the relating thing, I think there were so many different ways you could relate that most people should be able to relate on all least one. As an ace woman, I couldn't relate at all on the attraction or boy stuff but mei and her mom were exactly me and mine at that age and the conflict is where we are now so that hit me HARD.
I can imagine a future where Disney stops releasing movies to theaters, and then holds viewing events at Disneyland type venues
Also, for a long time a major reason to keep Disney and Pixar separate was the Pixar research program. With every movie they released several white papers on state of the art computer science in animation. This has started to change with Disney research growing outside of animatronics and textiles. Most of this shift is consequent of animation research required for the Star wars movies
speaking to the Asian side of things, was so interesting that of the 4 girls, the only white-presenting girl, Miriam, was the one to get permission, while Priya, Abby and Meilin were rejected...which speaks a lot to at least my personal experiences as an Asian around white people and things I did or did not get permission for...
My daughter turned 10 yesterday and this movie was brilliant for us both. I would say it didnt feel traditional pixar, monsters inc, toy story, wall-e but it was really great. I think is succeeded where brave failed with the mother/ daughter bond. :)
Plus it was set when I was a teen and the music and nods to early 2000s was super fun!
I would like to agree that Marvel is bringing a HUGE teen audience to Disney, I know a bunch of high schoolers who’ve wanted to get to Avengers Campus SO BADLY, and ones who convinced families to get Disney+ to watch the MCU shows.
I’ve already watched the movie like 4 or 5 times now, and it’s just SO GOOD😄🥰
This is just one of my new favourite movies, period. I wish I had this kind of representation as a preteen. My friend group was so similar and we were equally boy crazy. I loved the boyband and anime inspiration and I wished Disney gave this movie a bigger release! It had a theatrical release in Toronto (because it's set there) but even all major Canadian/North American cities would've been great!
For sure my "inner panda" is being creative in general. I am most happy when I can be creative (mostly in drawing and painting but also with photography, writing, and baking) but in the past 5ish years I've felt like I had to suppress that side of myself and focus on my studies as a STEM major. I draw when I have time to, and I don't show my art to many people but I like to have that motivation like "I gotta show ____ something new!". Watching content from you guys and from other similar channels that talk about disney/pixar movies helps me feel like I can still connect to my creative side
Ive had a lot of things be my "inner panda" (especially since I grew up in an Asian household) and that would be one of them. I literally asked my mom straight up would you have loved me more/preferred if I was into math or being a doctor than me being creative and liking art and she said yes. That kind of hurt me but I guess I asked for the truth
@@despicablepenguin sorry to hear she said that to you. Hope it didn't/ doesn't fully discourage you from being creative and you can instead use that hurt to fuel some of your art pieces
as someone who was obsessed with multiple boy bands as a teen, this movie was insanely relatable and fun for me! definitely reminded me of me and my friend group. the fan fiction, the drawings in the notebooks, the tamagotchi! i cried when her friend was revealed to have been taking care of him. this movie may not be relatable for everyone but i do think there are gonna be a good amount of people who can see themselves here. i even saw some of my cousin who is currently 13. such a good movie 😭😭
YES to being helpful for others with the more literal metaphor. I feel like it’ll cheer me up sometimes even when I’m just having a bad day with it. But the emotion metaphor is also something I’m majorly behind. I had trouble figuring out which metaphor it was but I think accepting it as both is great.
Idk interpret it however you want. I heard the production team said it was puberty but to me, it wasn't so I'll interpret it however I want. It's like Zootopia where the predators is about prejudice but what kind of prejudice, you can decide
I absolutely loved Turning Red. I feel like I might be Miriam. I'm kind of a tomboy and I'd like to think I'm a pretty loyal friend
I liked the movie, it reminded me of my junior high school time with my 3 friends. It also made me think of my daughter who was 12 in '02 and her friends. They had the Tomagachi's and loved boy bands and talked like the characters in the movie. I can't wait to see what my daughter has to say about Turning Red.
90/100 for me, I loved Turning Red, and it really just was relatable in the generation, emotional damage as well as the family dynamic that many AAPI and myself remember or even struggle with today. I cannot wait to see what Domee Shi does in the future I hope more and more of our stories continue to be told.