Honestly, I felt like Disgust was doing the job of "Love" in the second movie. Yes, there's the funny moments with the action character and her knowing Riley's crushes, but I thought it made sense with how she's described in the movies. She knows what Riley hates, dislikes, and is disgusted by. So of course she'd know the opposite; what Riley enjoys, likes, and loves. I think it'd be interesting for future movies if Disgust had to "switch jobs" or learn to handle more work, especially as Riley gets older and wants to have a more mature, adult relationship with someone.
You could make the same argument for joy/sadness: if Sadness knows what upsets Riley, then shouldn't Sadness know the opposite, that which makes Riley happy?
Yes i think it would make sense if she ended up handling both emotions. It would look cool if she developed some pink/purple characteristics over time due to being both love and resentment/disgust
Something I noticed is that in the movie the adults are also controlled by just the "big 5", and at the end Riley's mom's anxiety is shown for a moment and her sadness says "Welcome back, Anxiety", which heavily implies that the emotions we met in Inside Out 2 are not permanent and adults actually get more numb again, and I do wonder if that is something we see in real life.
15:00 - this is exactly what I was thinking before you reached this point. It also would explain why the parents also seemed to only have a few emotions in their heads, as each of these is simply the head of their own emotional hierarchy.
Minor correction: from what I've heard, the emotions don't so much pilot Riley as they do just dictate how she's feeling at any given moment (which, go figure, is the purpose of emotions). Riley still retains her agency independent of them, and it's been shown her mind can accept or reject any of the idea lightbulbs the emotions give. Also at one point in developing the first movie, they did consider Surprise as an emotion but figured that it was too close to Fear, so they just kinda merged those ideas into Fear.
@@archtansterpg4246 I wish Embarrassment, Envy, and Ennui were fleshed out more and shown how harmful they could be if they go overboard, like Anxiety. Anxiety could be anxious of embarrassing Riley by messing up during practice, thus suppressing Embarrassment which in turn would make Riley lose motivation since she’d take no risks in fear of embarrassing herself- Or she could have an embarrassing situation that hinders her confidence. Riley could have felt envious that her friends were going to the same school without her and envious of how good Val is (rather than only admiring her), thus making her want to be better at hockey and make new friends. Ennui could be Riley giving up- she no longer has interest in hockey after all the stress she is going through
Also, we can't forget that at the end of the movie, when Riley feels joy, she calls upon Joy by the movie showing the console pulling Joy in with particles, and Joy walks up to the plate to take control.
Exactly what I was thinking, especially when it comes to that point when anxiety is trying to get Riley to abandon her friends but her values are getting in the way, showing that other things can directly negate the actions of an emotion.
@@DORAisD34D Much like how these emotions can be negative, they can also be positive. However, I understand what you mean. I would 100% want to see more of those emotions be more fleshed out and see the influence they could have to the entire system.
@@whirl43 I wish Embarrassment, Envy, and Ennui were fleshed out more and shown how harmful they could be if they go overboard, like Anxiety. Anxiety could be anxious of embarrassing Riley by messing up during practice, thus suppressing Embarrassment which in turn would make Riley lose motivation since she’d take no risks in fear of embarrassing herself- Or she could have an embarrassing situation that hinders her confidence. Riley could have felt envious that her friends were going to the same school without her and envious of how good Val is (rather than only admiring her), thus making her want to be better at hockey and make new friends. Ennui could be Riley giving up- she no longer has interest in hockey after all the stress she is going through
I could imagine a character called Passion being introduced where he is just a super energetic, intense, and maybe a little crazy character and is basically the hype man of the group and when Riley is feeling an emotion “passionately” it could be him cheering on the one at the console.
my biggest problem with Inside Out 2 is they are expecting us to believe that up until 13 years old Riely has never felt boredom. Like have they ever been with a kid on a long ride?
To add to what theo said, Disgust and Anger both covered boredom for Riley. A kid may be bored, but they never brood like a teen or tween does, they're very likely to yell "MUM! I'M BORED!" or "THIS IS BORING!" in an angry or disgusted way, respectively. If you've ever seen a bored kid, they never stay bored for long because they always find a way to do something about it haha!
I feel like they already show this, having each emotion feel different emotions. Joy feels sadness and anger, sadness feels happiness, etc. By doing this, they are combining and subdividing the emotions in their own representation. This was something I was initially confused on, but after seeing this theory, I think you were on the right track to what they're actively trying to convey by doing this.
It's fascinating how much depth of psychology is carefully woven into Inside Out. The prospect of a more complex emotional structure in the forthcoming sequels truly underlines the inherent complexity of human emotions.
I think that Inside Out is definitely one of the best pixar movies to have ever been created and will have a legacy for years to come. Just like Wall-E!
The anxiety scene in inside out 2 was my favorite scene, mainly because it was the most relatable to me, i have severe anxiety. So seeing a film showing things that i relate to is nice to see. It can take me 20 minutes to stop an anxiety attack. I am a male teenager who has a mom that also has severe anxiety (thats where i get it from)
i love how relatable it was. every single time i watch this, even though i know what happens, i get scared for riley even though i know what's going to happen. it's displayed very well.
Complex emotions with a hierarchy would be a great idea for a movie. That probably should have been a concept for inside out 2. Not just new emotions showing up but new emotions and the core 5 trying to figure out how to manage them. That's exactly what puberty is.
Isn’t that pretty much what happened though? The new emotions overthrew the main ones and the main group had to figure out how to get ahold of them and manage them correctly
I want Inside Out 3 to see the emotions themselves start changing and becoming more complicated themselves. Like Fear further spans all the way from Terror to Courage with a lot more range to him; but they’re at first unstable. I think it’s a good way to cover more stuff without just adding more characters. Plus it makes sense since the parent’s emotions seem much more mature and nuanced themselves.
Wait this is actually dope. Imagine that the emotions could convert into OTHER emotions based on the situation Riley is in? It wouldnt be likely now, since they already made new emotions for IO2, but the concept alone that fear can accidentally morph into a subemotion of himself like terror just sounds awesome. Like Joy turning INTO Love, or Sadness turning INTO depression.
@@justadragonwithaphone8878 I wish Embarrassment, Envy, and Ennui were fleshed out more and shown how harmful they could be if they go overboard, like Anxiety. Anxiety could be anxious of embarrassing Riley by messing up during practice, thus suppressing Embarrassment which in turn would make Riley lose motivation since she’d take no risks in fear of embarrassing herself- Or she could have an embarrassing situation that hinders her confidence. Riley could have felt envious that her friends were going to the same school without her and envious of how good Val is (rather than only admiring her), thus making her want to be better at hockey and make new friends. Ennui could be Riley giving up- she no longer has interest in hockey after all the stress she is going through
Vigilance would be Anxiety and Joy working together. Like how at the end of the movie, Anxiety remembers the test and Joy keeps Anxiety focused on preparing for it rather than spiralling out of control.
Noticing the absence of love made me think of a plot of a fading emotion, adding to the stress of the already set problems in the movies. Maybe as Riley distances herself from the ones she loves, like her parents when she wants to run away, or her friends when ditching them. Love can start to fade or get hurt every time Riley slips deeper away. Giving more worry and indication of how bad things are getting in headquarters.
I thought surprise would be orange. Anxiety is a function of fear as. We emotional basis for surprise . Then by definition ❓ I the basis is for bad news. Then Surprise becomes 🤯 Anxiety is really surprise
@@MrMayhem010 I wish Embarrassment, Envy, and Ennui were fleshed out more and shown how harmful they could be if they go overboard, like Anxiety. Anxiety could be anxious of embarrassing Riley by messing up during practice, thus suppressing Embarrassment which in turn would make Riley lose motivation since she’d take no risks in fear of embarrassing herself- Or she could have an embarrassing situation that hinders her confidence. Riley could have felt envious that her friends were going to the same school without her and envious of how good Val is (rather than only admiring her), thus making her want to be better at hockey and make new friends. Ennui could be Riley giving up- she no longer has interest in hockey after all the stress she is going through
My favorite part of this theory is that it solves the plot hole created by Inside Out 2 adding new emotions. In Inside Out 1, we see the emotions in Riley's parents' heads, and it's only the original 5. But then Inside Out 2 added new emotions that her parents didn't have. If, however, those new emotions have been organized into other departments and just report to the main emotions at the console, then that plot hole is filled.
I bet 100% that in Matpat's brain, LOOOOORE is it's own emotion. Imagine matpat getting ready for a loredump and then the Lore emotion steps right up front ready to lay it all down.
I agree that incorporating a more complex structure of emotions in "Inside Out" sequels would make it even more relatable for an older audience. The Junto Wheel sounds like an interesting concept to implement. Looking forward to seeing how Pixar might consider these ideas in future installments.
I think a good plot of inside out 3 would be that Riley fall in love with a guy and at the end of the movie she broke up, so we could see new emotions like Love, compassion and depression. (Compassion could show up because one of her friend broke up and they end up in the same situation)
I’m fittingly shocked at the consensus that surprise is an emotion. I think of it like how you describe anxiety, as a more intellectual condition. Your brain has a constant subconscious check of what it thinks is about to happen and when it ends up being wrong it stutters in getting back on track. There’s no passion behind it.
As a clinical psychologist, it is so fun watching team theorist delve into my own area of research and clinical work! I was waiting for that exact wheel to pop out the whole video.
In my opinion, in the sequel, they should have made the emotions more fluid. Like, when Joy cried, her yellow would turn blue. When Fear saves the group and feels joy, his purple will turn more yellow. This representing these complex emotions. In the end, when Anxiety and Joy come together, they create Excitement. When anger felt happiness, in hockey, pride or euphoria was created... In my opinion, I loved the movie, but it would have been a good concept for these more complex emotions to be born from this evolution. Type that anxiety was born from a strong event where Fear and Joy had to play the command together. Shame of Sadness and Disgust. Envy of Disgust and Joy... It would have been an evolution to the multiple color memories of the first film, that little by little these emotions were forming.
I think so too. Especially because the basic emotions theory isn't the most current anymore. It could show that we construct our own complex emotions. Just adding characters that could be new emotions was the easy way to go but scientifically not the best option.
Inside out 2 was the first movie that ever made me start to tear up. I honestly have so much anxiety on a day to day basis that the movie just hit home. Especially when her self image turned to “im not good enough” i just broke down. I love the movie for showing that youre not always supposed to feel joy, you dont have one self image and things are a lot more complex. I think its very good for all children and even a good amount of adults to really reflect on, feel human, and work on being better people.
What would be really cool is if like he said there was a hierarchy, but instead of them all being in Riley’s mind, the lower level emotions are INSIDE the highest level emotions mind! So let’s say Riley is sad because her friends leave her for someone ‘better’ and then sadness is like “I’ll take the wheel from here” and inside sadness’ mind, resentment or something else takes the wheel of sadness. That seems like a really good way to make the franchise even better, and stay relevant for longer in society.
@@shaboingboing4638 it could go as far as the directors want it to, but I think to keep it simple (as it still is a kids movie) just doing the 3 levels of hierarchy like the chart said in this video
Fear and Anxiety are TOTALLY two diffrent emotions. You can fear the scary bear that's standing right in front of you. But when you fear a bear that *might* be somewhere, maybe you're in a big city but there's always a chance... that's anxiety.
Fear and Anxiety are not *totally* different, I would say Anxiety is subordinate to Fear. I feel anxious *because* of my fear(that may or may not be reasonable, real and coming very-very soon). Although people feel emotions differently, from my experience I would not say they are much different. I actually think, that "the big five", controlling everyone, should be "upgrading" everytime, so Anxiety is just an old pal Fear, but advanced. Boredom could be an advanced Disgust, Envy... Maybe advanced Sadness? Idk. I do think that shame could be Sadness though. And actually I would've loved to look at that conflict - Joy and others feel themselves different and they are shocked by each other's behavior. Fear aka Anxiety could've still do the same thing, as in the movie, but the problem is that nobody understands what happens, why is he doing that, why are them being different and how they should deal with all that. That would've been both hilarious and intriguing.
Uhm... Aren't ALL emotions evolutionary traits? After all, that's what makes us (and some other animals) different from very old lifeforms like microbes. Each emotion has an original function when viewed from our ancestrial tribes' perspective: Joy? Communicates that things are going well and others can be calm too. Anger? An injustice has occured and needs to be fixed. Sadness? Something's wrong o something terrible has happened and the members of the tribe need to comfort eachother. Fear? Do I have to say it? it's the original "DANGER!" alarm
Inside Out 2 exploded because of us, the teenage audience; we were the one being able to see ourselves (like in the others newest movies) inside the characters. Disney and Pixar have some eras; before it was more the kid era, now the teenage era and one day the adult era. This studios grew up with us and will follow our growth at the same time as us...
A lot of great emotions were discussed here. I personally really wanted to see a Curiosity in Inside Out 2, I feel like it could add a whole new level of complexity, because curiosity drives so many things people do, like walk into the tiny space behind the bleachers or climb random not very stable ladders.
0:51 as a wise man once said "there's a difference between a panic attack and being chased by a 15 foot mutated fire-breathing turtle with terrible rizz"
yeah not every reating is a panic attack, sometimes you need a moment aftet he adreniline high to get your focus back and adreniline can cause tunnel vision. its lest a fear response as a wind down
This is why my personal belief about the movie is that Riley actually has plurality of some kind (probably born with it, based on the first movie), and all the shots of in other people's head is her assuming everyone else's head works like that. It makes sense, considering the way that she felt those emotions in the first movie, but they hadn't formed yet, and the fact that emotions have emotions themselves. It would be like how Sander's Sides has plural connotations. (also, as someone with an anxiety disorder, Anxiety and Fear are very different beasts and it is absolutley it's own emotion that does run the place)
@@rosalindmccollum6012 I wish Embarrassment, Envy, and Ennui were fleshed out more and shown how harmful they could be if they go overboard, like Anxiety. Anxiety could be anxious of embarrassing Riley by messing up during practice, thus suppressing Embarrassment which in turn would make Riley lose motivation since she’d take no risks in fear of embarrassing herself- Or she could have an embarrassing situation that hinders her confidence. Riley could have felt envious that her friends were going to the same school without her and envious of how good Val is (rather than only admiring her), thus making her want to be better at hockey and make new friends. Ennui could be Riley giving up- she no longer has interest in hockey after all the stress she is going through
We do think there are a lot more plurals out there than commonly thought though, but cos they're unaware or otherwise functional they have no need to tell anyone Or they may even assume everyone else works the same as them. Especially as English has many phrases which can be interpreted in a plural way, like "I'm in two minds about this" and "I'm at war with myself" In truth everyone is a system of parts, even if not plural at all. Everyone is complex with different sides to them that get expressed in different contexts/situations, "work me" and "weekend me" are very different people even if both still You Plurality is a spectrum really too
Wait,wait,wait,what's plurality? Is it feeling like you're made out of multiple people,each trying to claw their way to the surface because I've been looking for an explanation for that for years
15:45 Pixar was originally planning to have a similar idea implemented in Inside Out. A room filled with different emotions was scrapped in the early stages of production even though they considered it pretty accurate to the science at the time.
I don't think it's completely right that young children can't feel complex emotions. Admittedly they might not be able to express it well, but as a rather anxious person myself I remember feeling anxiety as a little kid too.
Yeah but someone pointed out that if you look closely at the control board pre- demo day that there are orange buttons, so even before the upgrade those emotions existed and were capable of coming out but didn’t in Riley’s case. They were somewhere else until both puberty and Riley’s worries about not having her friends brought them out.
@@hanaomer4419 it could have been that the emotions were always there, but just evolved into their own emotion once they became prevalent enough in riley's life.
I'm not an expert but to bounce of Forrest Lee's statement (11:16), kids biologically start with a few and gradually add more. Unfortunately, not everyone's stories are the same and some are forced to confront and add new emotions even if inexperienced. You are correct in that it's a difficult process for a child to feel and not express. I'd love a world where kids could discover these feelings in a healthy environment. And because of that, I am grateful there's more conversations and media like Inside Out putting a spotlight on these things.
4:35 Lee’s not kidding about this, Inside Out was supposed to have many emotions, including: Love Hope Pride Lust Greed Awe Surprise Infatuation Gloom Guilt Shame Jealousy Suspicion Doubt Skepticism Irritation Depression Despair Self Loathing Schadenfreude (German for happiness at the misfortune of others. Avenue Q taught me that.) Also fun fact while I’m here, Envy, Ennui, and Embarrassment were originally planned for the first movie. Envy even looked completely different from how she looks now.
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I would agree that Ennui is an emotion. Here is my logic, I’ve been Numb and I’ve been Bored. When I’m bored I’d label it as a form of frustration tied to a lack of stimulation, whereas Numb is the complete absence of emotion. Ennui is still an emotion, just one that specializes in simulating the lack of emotion without shutting down.
I feel similar, like boredom is a lack of stimulation vs. numb being a lack of response to stimuli. Boredom, you're trying to find the right stimulation for the moment, but nothing fits and it's irritating. Feeling Numb, you can _sometimes_ interact with stimuli, but typically can't. Either way, you don't really respond to anything; like you said, you just shut down. Finally found the original! Wasn't giving my like to the bot that reposted -_-
Maybe a better translation for ennui instead of boredom could be "detachment" or "aloofness"? Instead of something being overplayed or uninteresting by default externally, ennui happens more internally, doesn't it?
i believe that surprise is actually the nuetral emotion. before any emotion takes control, there is always surprise and then rileys emotions figure out what to feel
I actually have an Inside Out OC; his name is Confusion. He's brown in color and never fully understands what's going on. I feel like confusion is almost never brought up when talking about emotions, and I think that should change.
I feel he would be more of an orange than a brown, I know anxiety kind of took that but like he could be a separate shade of orange, more bright as he isn't really a negative emotion
@@ComradeDylan-801st I wish Embarrassment, Envy, and Ennui were fleshed out more and shown how harmful they could be if they go overboard, like Anxiety. Anxiety could be anxious of embarrassing Riley by messing up during practice, thus suppressing Embarrassment which in turn would make Riley lose motivation since she’d take no risks in fear of embarrassing herself- Or she could have an embarrassing situation that hinders her confidence. Riley could have felt envious that her friends were going to the same school without her and envious of how good Val is (rather than only admiring her), thus making her want to be better at hockey and make new friends. Ennui could be Riley giving up- she no longer has interest in hockey after all the stress she is going through
Disgust dealing with her demotion would be an interesting side story, but I don't think Pixar will go for it since it made her so likable in both movies
How is disgust a subset of anger? I feel angry when something is unfair, I feel disgusted when I'm near eggplants. If anything disgust is more close to fear as both protect you from the outside world
If you go back to the last Chart with 108 emotions, he even states that some of the outer rings are combinations of certain base emotions. Where it comes down to reasoning and feeling as to why we react. Those complex emotions need more than one to properly convey the underlying reasons. Also, these are generalized and in turn are set for a broader scope of people that do fall into these categories. There will be outliers and or exceptions to the rule. Not everyone, but the majority. So if you personally react, feel and or look at life differently, that's simply you being an individual, and your mind/emotions acting accordingly.
Maybe the thought was that something that disgusts you should make you angry? Which doesn’t make sense, something that disgust you can also make you fearful, or just dislike things. Maybe the emotions wheel shouldn’t be a wheel with primary emotions.
@@MapleTaurus No. Anger is certainly a base emotion. Disgust takes reasoning for us to understand why we're disgusted. Anger is primal and can happen just because without reason.
I feel like theres 2 different types of disgust, you can find a horrible person repulsive and thats because youre angry about what theyve done, and separately get grossed out by things like foods and smells that your body/memory tells you to avoid for your wellbeing, which is fear based. It probably would have been better on that wheel to have Disgust between anger and fear, but the latter type is kind of more of a physiological reaction than an emotion, so i sort of get why its structured this way instead, theyre just focused on disgust as the feeling of "i hate that this exists". Pixar has conflated both types to make the character of Disgust the one who keeps Riley away from everything she doesnt like, and that very much feels like the reason for her existence comes down to fear and anger existing first, thats where the emotions that make Riley not like something in the way that could lead to disgust come from. When i ry think about it though...thats kind of complex for a little kid to understand, and even at the age she is in the first movie she probably wouldnt have thought to consider where her disgust comes from, its still just as simple as "the emotion pops up around these things so i avoid them without thinking twice". By the second movie though...its kind of stretching it to say that Disgust is still a core emotion leading how Riley feels as opposed to being better understood as a reaction to whats been laid out already by fear and anger. But Pixar has kind of made its bed and now has to lie in it, Riley is kind of going to be stuck not learning much about her own thoughts and emotions as she grows up to keep the cast of characters the same, its not like theyll actually start the third one with "oh yeah we just dont really talk to Disgust much any more, oh well"
I'm pretty sure disgust is a primary emotion as babies already have it and it is evolutionarly important - figuring out spoiled foods, visuals and smells that hint at dangers (e.g. corpses) etc. The fact that the big emotion wheel puts it under Anger is a joke - it has to have its own category, which would include things that come under envy as well. Not every model is perfect of course but taking that diagram as gospel isn't great to say the least.
I dont understand why people are saying that that scene in the Mario movie is a panic attack, hes just trying to recover from BEING THROWN THROUGH A BUILDING
I've worked on using emotions for character development by assigning 2-3 emotions to each of my characters. I ended up with joy, social pressure, anger, sadness, love, & pride. As well as a spectrum of 3 states: interest, calm, & aversion/fear for how driven a character is. Calm being in the middle and causing inaction.
If I were to guess based on this info is that when multiple emotions are using the console, say Anger and Envy the memory that comes from it is basically a sub emotion like jealousy, you want the thing the other person has and are mad that you don't have the thing
Debatably, you could see Anxiety as being a kind of 'young', partially developed version of Vigilance. Anxiety is often a situation of over-anticipation, and since Vigilance is all about anticipation and guarding oneself, I could see Anxiety maturing to become Vigilance as Riley grows older. I say this as someone who struggles with an anxiety disorder, so don't come at me saying I can't possibly be right because I haven't experienced it.
I was genuinely wondering why Riley doesn't have a "Badass" emotion yet. Which is similar to joy but less smiles and love and more "tough girl" type thing. Maybe that will come later
9:00 no. For me anxiety is very feeling based. And just like other intense feelings, sometimes can make it hard for me to act like when I’m not feeling anxious. So I disagree with that point. And no. Excitement and nervous are closer than anxiety. Anxiety can literally be debilitating. And I guess extreme fear can too? But I don’t have any debilitating fears
@@SoggyCrackerz I wish Embarrassment, Envy, and Ennui were fleshed out more and shown how harmful they could be if they go overboard, like Anxiety. Anxiety could be anxious of embarrassing Riley by messing up during practice, thus suppressing Embarrassment which in turn would make Riley lose motivation since she’d take no risks in fear of embarrassing herself- Or she could have an embarrassing situation that hinders her confidence. Riley could have felt envious that her friends were going to the same school without her and envious of how good Val is (rather than only admiring her), thus making her want to be better at hockey and make new friends. Ennui could be Riley giving up- she no longer has interest in hockey after all the stress she is going through
Inside Out 2 was my kid's first movie and constantly, ever since we left the theater, she's been asking "Mama, can we go back and watch Inside Out 3?" 💀😭
16:27 Whoa whoa whoa easy there man. Riley losing one of her parents shouldn't be happening (on average) till at LEAST 45 (although granted with more and more people not having ANY kids till mid 30s this number is going to be lowered) given the 20-30 year difference between parent and first born child.
12:30 all hail the Feels Wheels!! A great tool I was introduced to while in a real low mental health moment, I appreciate the simplicity and straightforward approach to connecting emotions to one another, it really allowed me to put words to my feelings a lot easier than just trying to putting a name to it by myself
Love actually isn't an emotion, it's a state of being. Because you can choose whether or not to love someone, but you can't really choose what emotions you feel. 💕💕 Your awesome by the way dude! Your doing such a good job stepping into Mat Pats shoes!! 😁🤩
I don't think you can really choose to not love someone/thing. You can choose your reaction to it and you can try to train yourself out of it, but then it'd be like how fear can be trained out so you stop freaking out when you see a spider, for example. Like you can't choose to love your least favorite ice cream flavor, nor choose to stop loving your spouse because they told you to do the dishes that one time.
Hi! So yeah I definitely see where your coming from! But I really meant love towards people instead of things. And I am a Christian, so we are instructed to love everyone, no matter what our feelings or emotions toward them are. So that's where I'm coming from 😊 Thank you so much for your response!
@@Slightlydelulu-m3l Love _is_ the emotion. You know that feeling when you see your child or significant other and it swells in your chest, that rush that comes from the love hormones you produce when you see or think about them? It makes you happy to see them, to be near them, and to be in physical contact with them (holding hands, hugging, snuggling). That's the emotion of love. I love my family and my close friends and would go through fire and flames for them, but i feel no love when i think of that one woman who put her baby in the microwave and turned it on. I do not think i am capable of loving the grown men who catcalled me when i was a preteen. It's physically impossible. Because that's not how emotions work. Now, a lot of times i hear people say "love" when they mean respect. Respect is not an emotion, and i have to assume that's what christians mean when they say they're commanded to love something. "Love thy neighbor" doesn't mean experience the same emotional response seeing the local baker at the bakery as the emotional response you have when you see your spouse or your pet. If it did, it would mean you could draw a name from a hat and be equally as happy to marry that person you've never met as you would the person you fall in lust with, date, and then fall in love with. It's why you can't say "i love you" as a bride to the best man at your wedding.
@@Slightlydelulu-m3l That said, i do know a number of religious people who don't know what love is because they were required to not know. I'm talking groomed child and marrying someone because you have to be married to share a home or bed so assuming lust is love. Or having your spouse chosen for you by parents who "known best"
8:44 Hm, I don't know necessarily that I'd consider love an emotion, it is just an anchor by which the whole system operates, "love" is more or less just a stand-in for parental-guidance.
Honestly, I felt like Disgust was doing the job of "Love" in the second movie. Yes, there's the funny moments with the action character and her knowing Riley's crushes, but I thought it made sense with how she's described in the movies. She knows what Riley hates, dislikes, and is disgusted by. So of course she'd know the opposite; what Riley enjoys, likes, and loves.
I think it'd be interesting for future movies if Disgust had to "switch jobs" or learn to handle more work, especially as Riley gets older and wants to have a more mature, adult relationship with someone.
Maybe its cuz she still finds attraction kinda disgusting still
Disgust "promoting" into Love makes a lot of narrative sense, every kid has that "Boys/girls are gross" phase that they grow out of.
You could make the same argument for joy/sadness: if Sadness knows what upsets Riley, then shouldn't Sadness know the opposite, that which makes Riley happy?
Yes i think it would make sense if she ended up handling both emotions. It would look cool if she developed some pink/purple characteristics over time due to being both love and resentment/disgust
@@fridamrch4759 Ennui is purple, embarrassment is pink
Something I noticed is that in the movie the adults are also controlled by just the "big 5", and at the end Riley's mom's anxiety is shown for a moment and her sadness says "Welcome back, Anxiety", which heavily implies that the emotions we met in Inside Out 2 are not permanent and adults actually get more numb again, and I do wonder if that is something we see in real life.
And the dad’s anxiety is always just out of view(he got no fan fare)
I think that Riley's mom's anxiety came from the offices under the "Great 5" and went quickly to report them her serious concerns about Riley's hair.
I feel like the adults have just gotten better at coping with their anxieties and what not, so they’re not shown often
@@Ellie_b0_belly Yes, part of being an adult is managing your emotions and not letting them run your entire way of life!
Or else anxiety got promoted to "headquarters" after the mom "demoted" anxiety a.k.a numbingly ignored it and is now accepting it again as an emotion
Sneaking MatPat as sadness in the blue memory ball is crazy 💀
Should’ve been happy and sad
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15:00 - this is exactly what I was thinking before you reached this point.
It also would explain why the parents also seemed to only have a few emotions in their heads, as each of these is simply the head of their own emotional hierarchy.
yeah cus anxiety showed up at the end.
Minor correction: from what I've heard, the emotions don't so much pilot Riley as they do just dictate how she's feeling at any given moment (which, go figure, is the purpose of emotions). Riley still retains her agency independent of them, and it's been shown her mind can accept or reject any of the idea lightbulbs the emotions give.
Also at one point in developing the first movie, they did consider Surprise as an emotion but figured that it was too close to Fear, so they just kinda merged those ideas into Fear.
Gotta remember at the end of the first movie when she becomes depressed she literally shuts down the control panel for her emotions.
@@archtansterpg4246 I wish Embarrassment, Envy, and Ennui were fleshed out more and shown how harmful they could be if they go overboard, like Anxiety.
Anxiety could be anxious of embarrassing Riley by messing up during practice, thus suppressing Embarrassment which in turn would make Riley lose motivation since she’d take no risks in fear of embarrassing herself- Or she could have an embarrassing situation that hinders her confidence.
Riley could have felt envious that her friends were going to the same school without her and envious of how good Val is (rather than only admiring her), thus making her want to be better at hockey and make new friends.
Ennui could be Riley giving up- she no longer has interest in hockey after all the stress she is going through
Also, we can't forget that at the end of the movie, when Riley feels joy, she calls upon Joy by the movie showing the console pulling Joy in with particles, and Joy walks up to the plate to take control.
Exactly what I was thinking, especially when it comes to that point when anxiety is trying to get Riley to abandon her friends but her values are getting in the way, showing that other things can directly negate the actions of an emotion.
@@DORAisD34D Much like how these emotions can be negative, they can also be positive. However, I understand what you mean. I would 100% want to see more of those emotions be more fleshed out and see the influence they could have to the entire system.
“Or the death of her parents”
Pixar Executives: WRITE THAT DOWN! WRITE THAT DOWN!
dont weorry its disney
They will insist
maybe that will be in insideout 4 and maybe nostalgia will be introduced
@@CuppaLLX Pixar*
CHARLES THE FRENCH
Rylie isn't going to feel anything from that cus she's a psychopath
Suprise: existing
Pixar:We can't have that happen
The surprise was how good inside out 2 was.
@@whirl43 I wish Embarrassment, Envy, and Ennui were fleshed out more and shown how harmful they could be if they go overboard, like Anxiety.
Anxiety could be anxious of embarrassing Riley by messing up during practice, thus suppressing Embarrassment which in turn would make Riley lose motivation since she’d take no risks in fear of embarrassing herself- Or she could have an embarrassing situation that hinders her confidence.
Riley could have felt envious that her friends were going to the same school without her and envious of how good Val is (rather than only admiring her), thus making her want to be better at hockey and make new friends.
Ennui could be Riley giving up- she no longer has interest in hockey after all the stress she is going through
Maybe Surprise really is the friends we made along the way...
@@Potato_Of_Regrets Pikachu
Surprise: Exists
Pixar: P E R I S H
I could imagine a character called Passion being introduced where he is just a super energetic, intense, and maybe a little crazy character and is basically the hype man of the group and when Riley is feeling an emotion “passionately” it could be him cheering on the one at the console.
14:19 "Grief is just love left unexpressed" Or as Queen Elizabeth II used to say, "grief is the price we pay for love".
PUTTING THE LAST AIRBENDER MOVIE AS THE ANGRY MEMORY WAS A GENIUS TOUCH OMG
my biggest problem with Inside Out 2 is they are expecting us to believe that up until 13 years old Riely has never felt boredom. Like have they ever been with a kid on a long ride?
Also envy? I've felt envy when I was a toddler
@@yodarchernia9944 ennui isn’t just boredom, it’s also the lack of caring for something.
To add to what theo said, Disgust and Anger both covered boredom for Riley. A kid may be bored, but they never brood like a teen or tween does, they're very likely to yell "MUM! I'M BORED!" or "THIS IS BORING!" in an angry or disgusted way, respectively. If you've ever seen a bored kid, they never stay bored for long because they always find a way to do something about it haha!
@@HYDROCARBON_XDI've felt anxiety when I was 7
And I really don't think she has never felt shame before. I can guess, Sadness covered it before... But still.
I feel like they already show this, having each emotion feel different emotions. Joy feels sadness and anger, sadness feels happiness, etc. By doing this, they are combining and subdividing the emotions in their own representation. This was something I was initially confused on, but after seeing this theory, I think you were on the right track to what they're actively trying to convey by doing this.
9:43 As someone who struggles with Anxiety... YES. ABSOLUTELY. Inside Out 2 pretty much portrayed Anxiety _perfectly._
Interesting. I gotta watch it
Down to the fact that the thoughts themselves are not bad, just the cadence they happen (ie losing sleep over big events)
Dude it’s actually insane how perfect they portrayed it. Especially buildup to the panic attack scene. I felt that on a SPIRITUAL level 😭
I have anxiety too, the making up fake scenarios is so true!!!!
EXACTLYY
It's fascinating how much depth of psychology is carefully woven into Inside Out. The prospect of a more complex emotional structure in the forthcoming sequels truly underlines the inherent complexity of human emotions.
There's also a LOT of not so hidden gags. Like Anxiety bringing a lot of (emotional) baggage.
I think that Inside Out is definitely one of the best pixar movies to have ever been created and will have a legacy for years to come. Just like Wall-E!
@@icarue993 I'm so dumb I didn't even notice that
They did consult child psychologists for the films.
@@pokechatter about 4 or so
Mario wasn’t having a Panic attack he was just trying to recover from being launched through a freakin building
Finally, someone who spouts facts
THANK YOU
so then he was scared or fear which ties in with anxiety and anxiety ties in with panic attack
I feel like that would still spark a panic attack.
@@amedotuniverse652 It was launched through a freaking building. Adrenaline is definitely going to run through me for both mental and physical sense.
The anxiety scene in inside out 2 was my favorite scene, mainly because it was the most relatable to me, i have severe anxiety. So seeing a film showing things that i relate to is nice to see. It can take me 20 minutes to stop an anxiety attack. I am a male teenager who has a mom that also has severe anxiety (thats where i get it from)
i love how relatable it was. every single time i watch this, even though i know what happens, i get scared for riley even though i know what's going to happen. it's displayed very well.
Complex emotions with a hierarchy would be a great idea for a movie.
That probably should have been a concept for inside out 2. Not just new emotions showing up but new emotions and the core 5 trying to figure out how to manage them. That's exactly what puberty is.
Isn’t that pretty much what happened though? The new emotions overthrew the main ones and the main group had to figure out how to get ahold of them and manage them correctly
I want Inside Out 3 to see the emotions themselves start changing and becoming more complicated themselves. Like Fear further spans all the way from Terror to Courage with a lot more range to him; but they’re at first unstable. I think it’s a good way to cover more stuff without just adding more characters. Plus it makes sense since the parent’s emotions seem much more mature and nuanced themselves.
Sadness just turns into depression
Cool idea
My theory is inside out 3 will introduce love. I also want it, I want to see Riley grow up
Wait this is actually dope. Imagine that the emotions could convert into OTHER emotions based on the situation Riley is in? It wouldnt be likely now, since they already made new emotions for IO2, but the concept alone that fear can accidentally morph into a subemotion of himself like terror just sounds awesome. Like Joy turning INTO Love, or Sadness turning INTO depression.
5:40 I just kept saying Anxiety since the emotions can be more than one thing like Envy is admiration and Anxiety is Vigilance
@@justadragonwithaphone8878 I wish Embarrassment, Envy, and Ennui were fleshed out more and shown how harmful they could be if they go overboard, like Anxiety.
Anxiety could be anxious of embarrassing Riley by messing up during practice, thus suppressing Embarrassment which in turn would make Riley lose motivation since she’d take no risks in fear of embarrassing herself- Or she could have an embarrassing situation that hinders her confidence.
Riley could have felt envious that her friends were going to the same school without her and envious of how good Val is (rather than only admiring her), thus making her want to be better at hockey and make new friends.
Ennui could be Riley giving up- she no longer has interest in hockey after all the stress she is going through
Envy really felt less like Envy and more like Emulation.
There wasn’t much resentment or hate in what she did.
Ennui can be sarcasm too bc of that scene
Vigilance would be Anxiety and Joy working together. Like how at the end of the movie, Anxiety remembers the test and Joy keeps Anxiety focused on preparing for it rather than spiralling out of control.
holy i just commented basically the same thing, great minds 🤝🤝
Disney:"hmmm, what if we made a good film and... We have a panic atack in it"
Pixar:"ok..."
Noticing the absence of love made me think of a plot of a fading emotion, adding to the stress of the already set problems in the movies. Maybe as Riley distances herself from the ones she loves, like her parents when she wants to run away, or her friends when ditching them. Love can start to fade or get hurt every time Riley slips deeper away. Giving more worry and indication of how bad things are getting in headquarters.
I think asking how many emotions there are is like asking how many colours there are.
As many as we name.
Also, the colours that are imperceptible.
Bro is Gerry Keay?!
@@amphibiland7315 magnus archives mention
FINALLY! A theory about Inside Out 2!
I thought surprise would be orange. Anxiety is a function of fear as. We emotional basis for surprise . Then by definition ❓ I the basis is for bad news. Then Surprise becomes 🤯 Anxiety is really surprise
@@osmosisjones4912I can barely understand this sentence but I agree
I hope we get Riley dad theory soon
@@MrMayhem010 I wish Embarrassment, Envy, and Ennui were fleshed out more and shown how harmful they could be if they go overboard, like Anxiety.
Anxiety could be anxious of embarrassing Riley by messing up during practice, thus suppressing Embarrassment which in turn would make Riley lose motivation since she’d take no risks in fear of embarrassing herself- Or she could have an embarrassing situation that hinders her confidence.
Riley could have felt envious that her friends were going to the same school without her and envious of how good Val is (rather than only admiring her), thus making her want to be better at hockey and make new friends.
Ennui could be Riley giving up- she no longer has interest in hockey after all the stress she is going through
Hmm billion dollar hit yep theory
My favorite part of this theory is that it solves the plot hole created by Inside Out 2 adding new emotions. In Inside Out 1, we see the emotions in Riley's parents' heads, and it's only the original 5. But then Inside Out 2 added new emotions that her parents didn't have. If, however, those new emotions have been organized into other departments and just report to the main emotions at the console, then that plot hole is filled.
I bet 100% that in Matpat's brain, LOOOOORE is it's own emotion. Imagine matpat getting ready for a loredump and then the Lore emotion steps right up front ready to lay it all down.
pops up whenever dead kids are mentioned
You mean curiosity for wisdom of worlds?
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I agree that incorporating a more complex structure of emotions in "Inside Out" sequels would make it even more relatable for an older audience. The Junto Wheel sounds like an interesting concept to implement. Looking forward to seeing how Pixar might consider these ideas in future installments.
It might also be good for teaching younger audiences about emotions
embarrassment was my favorite. he's so sweet
A gentle giant
caseoh
I freaking love Embarrassment
Same
@@jennifershepherd2921 yessssss!!!
Not matpat In the sadness ball 1:35
That’s not anxiety, that’s existential dread
Anxiety is really surprise
JolasBobas ate too many cogs
When your parents say 'We need to talk':
.
True
7:07 not me expecting matpat's face for bitter sweetness
I don't see it, where is it?
@@Grayscale10a1it’s a joke bud
@@zasproductions9258 oh, sorry
it should have been bittersweetness cuz the movie made it perfectly with what happend with matpat not sadness in the beggining
I swear matpat hates me 💀
The new theory hosts are doing a great job
I think a good plot of inside out 3 would be that Riley fall in love with a guy and at the end of the movie she broke up, so we could see new emotions like Love, compassion and depression. (Compassion could show up because one of her friend broke up and they end up in the same situation)
Already Riley likes a boy named Jordan
I’m fittingly shocked at the consensus that surprise is an emotion. I think of it like how you describe anxiety, as a more intellectual condition. Your brain has a constant subconscious check of what it thinks is about to happen and when it ends up being wrong it stutters in getting back on track. There’s no passion behind it.
I'm shocked BLUSHING is an emotion 💀
As a clinical psychologist, it is so fun watching team theorist delve into my own area of research and clinical work! I was waiting for that exact wheel to pop out the whole video.
In my opinion, in the sequel, they should have made the emotions more fluid. Like, when Joy cried, her yellow would turn blue. When Fear saves the group and feels joy, his purple will turn more yellow. This representing these complex emotions.
In the end, when Anxiety and Joy come together, they create Excitement. When anger felt happiness, in hockey, pride or euphoria was created... In my opinion, I loved the movie, but it would have been a good concept for these more complex emotions to be born from this evolution. Type that anxiety was born from a strong event where Fear and Joy had to play the command together. Shame of Sadness and Disgust. Envy of Disgust and Joy... It would have been an evolution to the multiple color memories of the first film, that little by little these emotions were forming.
I think so too. Especially because the basic emotions theory isn't the most current anymore. It could show that we construct our own complex emotions. Just adding characters that could be new emotions was the easy way to go but scientifically not the best option.
Inside out 2 was the first movie that ever made me start to tear up. I honestly have so much anxiety on a day to day basis that the movie just hit home. Especially when her self image turned to “im not good enough” i just broke down. I love the movie for showing that youre not always supposed to feel joy, you dont have one self image and things are a lot more complex. I think its very good for all children and even a good amount of adults to really reflect on, feel human, and work on being better people.
What would be really cool is if like he said there was a hierarchy, but instead of them all being in Riley’s mind, the lower level emotions are INSIDE the highest level emotions mind! So let’s say Riley is sad because her friends leave her for someone ‘better’ and then sadness is like “I’ll take the wheel from here” and inside sadness’ mind, resentment or something else takes the wheel of sadness. That seems like a really good way to make the franchise even better, and stay relevant for longer in society.
Hope many layers deep would this go though?
@@shaboingboing4638 it could go as far as the directors want it to, but I think to keep it simple (as it still is a kids movie) just doing the 3 levels of hierarchy like the chart said in this video
honestly that'd be WAY too complex for a kids' movie, but i had the same thought, too...
Fear and Anxiety are TOTALLY two diffrent emotions.
You can fear the scary bear that's standing right in front of you.
But when you fear a bear that *might* be somewhere, maybe you're in a big city but there's always a chance... that's anxiety.
Anxiety is hypervigilant fear, seeing danger that's not there. But it's still fear
You still said fear, It's two different emotions, just that Anxiety is usually a subordinate to Fear.
*Insert Freddy Fazbear laugh here*
then i feel anxiety almost every day 💀
Fear and Anxiety are not *totally* different, I would say Anxiety is subordinate to Fear. I feel anxious *because* of my fear(that may or may not be reasonable, real and coming very-very soon). Although people feel emotions differently, from my experience I would not say they are much different. I actually think, that "the big five", controlling everyone, should be "upgrading" everytime, so Anxiety is just an old pal Fear, but advanced. Boredom could be an advanced Disgust, Envy... Maybe advanced Sadness? Idk. I do think that shame could be Sadness though. And actually I would've loved to look at that conflict - Joy and others feel themselves different and they are shocked by each other's behavior. Fear aka Anxiety could've still do the same thing, as in the movie, but the problem is that nobody understands what happens, why is he doing that, why are them being different and how they should deal with all that. That would've been both hilarious and intriguing.
Disgust is an evolutionary trait that helps prevent people from consuming dangerous or diseased food/water
Uhm... Aren't ALL emotions evolutionary traits? After all, that's what makes us (and some other animals) different from very old lifeforms like microbes. Each emotion has an original function when viewed from our ancestrial tribes' perspective: Joy? Communicates that things are going well and others can be calm too. Anger? An injustice has occured and needs to be fixed. Sadness? Something's wrong o something terrible has happened and the members of the tribe need to comfort eachother. Fear? Do I have to say it? it's the original "DANGER!" alarm
So a form of fear.
Inside Out 2 exploded because of us, the teenage audience; we were the one being able to see ourselves (like in the others newest movies) inside the characters.
Disney and Pixar have some eras; before it was more the kid era, now the teenage era and one day the adult era. This studios grew up with us and will follow our growth at the same time as us...
A lot of great emotions were discussed here. I personally really wanted to see a Curiosity in Inside Out 2, I feel like it could add a whole new level of complexity, because curiosity drives so many things people do, like walk into the tiny space behind the bleachers or climb random not very stable ladders.
I love how matpat was in a blue ball referencing his announcement of quitting (IS THAT A MATPAT REFERENCE??))
0:51 as a wise man once said "there's a difference between a panic attack and being chased by a 15 foot mutated fire-breathing turtle with terrible rizz"
Yes
yeah not every reating is a panic attack, sometimes you need a moment aftet he adreniline high to get your focus back and adreniline can cause tunnel vision. its lest a fear response as a wind down
What do you mean? Bowser got awesome rizz
Bowser has amazing rizz.
@@bonnieplushtuber5517 It takes a lot of rizz to be a king and keep an army loyal.
This is why my personal belief about the movie is that Riley actually has plurality of some kind (probably born with it, based on the first movie), and all the shots of in other people's head is her assuming everyone else's head works like that. It makes sense, considering the way that she felt those emotions in the first movie, but they hadn't formed yet, and the fact that emotions have emotions themselves. It would be like how Sander's Sides has plural connotations.
(also, as someone with an anxiety disorder, Anxiety and Fear are very different beasts and it is absolutley it's own emotion that does run the place)
@@rosalindmccollum6012 I wish Embarrassment, Envy, and Ennui were fleshed out more and shown how harmful they could be if they go overboard, like Anxiety.
Anxiety could be anxious of embarrassing Riley by messing up during practice, thus suppressing Embarrassment which in turn would make Riley lose motivation since she’d take no risks in fear of embarrassing herself- Or she could have an embarrassing situation that hinders her confidence.
Riley could have felt envious that her friends were going to the same school without her and envious of how good Val is (rather than only admiring her), thus making her want to be better at hockey and make new friends.
Ennui could be Riley giving up- she no longer has interest in hockey after all the stress she is going through
We do think there are a lot more plurals out there than commonly thought though, but cos they're unaware or otherwise functional they have no need to tell anyone
Or they may even assume everyone else works the same as them. Especially as English has many phrases which can be interpreted in a plural way, like "I'm in two minds about this" and "I'm at war with myself"
In truth everyone is a system of parts, even if not plural at all. Everyone is complex with different sides to them that get expressed in different contexts/situations, "work me" and "weekend me" are very different people even if both still You
Plurality is a spectrum really too
@@DORAisD34D I do like that idea.
Wait,wait,wait,what's plurality? Is it feeling like you're made out of multiple people,each trying to claw their way to the surface because I've been looking for an explanation for that for years
Yeah but thomas sanders always said that sanders sides was never meant to represent plural disorders like DID in anyway
Pixar: “Surprise is too close to Fear!”
Also Pixar: “So anyways, Anxiety is a new emotion..”
15:45 Pixar was originally planning to have a similar idea implemented in Inside Out. A room filled with different emotions was scrapped in the early stages of production even though they considered it pretty accurate to the science at the time.
Imagine if the movie really did have 108 emotions
I don't think it's completely right that young children can't feel complex emotions. Admittedly they might not be able to express it well, but as a rather anxious person myself I remember feeling anxiety as a little kid too.
Yeah but someone pointed out that if you look closely at the control board pre- demo day that there are orange buttons, so even before the upgrade those emotions existed and were capable of coming out but didn’t in Riley’s case. They were somewhere else until both puberty and Riley’s worries about not having her friends brought them out.
@@hanaomer4419 it could have been that the emotions were always there, but just evolved into their own emotion once they became prevalent enough in riley's life.
I'm not an expert but to bounce of Forrest Lee's statement (11:16), kids biologically start with a few and gradually add more.
Unfortunately, not everyone's stories are the same and some are forced to confront and add new emotions even if inexperienced. You are correct in that it's a difficult process for a child to feel and not express. I'd love a world where kids could discover these feelings in a healthy environment. And because of that, I am grateful there's more conversations and media like Inside Out putting a spotlight on these things.
@@TheVainGame yeah, that would be nice
I have had I think all my emotions since I was born
4:35 Lee’s not kidding about this, Inside Out was supposed to have many emotions, including:
Love
Hope
Pride
Lust
Greed
Awe
Surprise
Infatuation
Gloom
Guilt
Shame
Jealousy
Suspicion
Doubt
Skepticism
Irritation
Depression
Despair
Self Loathing
Schadenfreude (German for happiness at the misfortune of others. Avenue Q taught me that.)
Also fun fact while I’m here, Envy, Ennui, and Embarrassment were originally planned for the first movie. Envy even looked completely different from how she looks now.
There are some people who think that Gloom secretly wasn't scrapped..
Most of these aren’t emotions and most of them are similar and the same
missed an opertunity with Pride and Predudice
Nishishi hope and despair
-danganronpa fan
They sort of included depression in the 1st movie when she was running away, but not as a character
I really hope this comes to fruition, this is actually really clever and I would love to see it
9:34 Even if it is unscientific, I still like the fact that they added anxiety.
I’m predicting that the emotion that should be there is theorizing and that the one that shouldn’t be there is joy
1:35 I was laughing due to seeing the Live action Avatar in the anger memory, then I saw the one to the right ☹️
Swear to god i saw megamind 2
The saddest of the all, Matpat retiring 😭
no one gonna talk about the guy in the tv from mandela catalogue there
@@menteyayyREAL
@@menteyayyI thought that was willian afton💀
"Trust me, I've edited Food Theory before."😆I love the friendly ribbing you all have with each other😊, reminds me of the playful friendly banter I see over at Second Wind💖😄
I would agree that Ennui is an emotion. Here is my logic, I’ve been Numb and I’ve been Bored. When I’m bored I’d label it as a form of frustration tied to a lack of stimulation, whereas Numb is the complete absence of emotion. Ennui is still an emotion, just one that specializes in simulating the lack of emotion without shutting down.
I feel similar, like boredom is a lack of stimulation vs. numb being a lack of response to stimuli. Boredom, you're trying to find the right stimulation for the moment, but nothing fits and it's irritating. Feeling Numb, you can _sometimes_ interact with stimuli, but typically can't. Either way, you don't really respond to anything; like you said, you just shut down.
Finally found the original! Wasn't giving my like to the bot that reposted -_-
Maybe a better translation for ennui instead of boredom could be "detachment" or "aloofness"? Instead of something being overplayed or uninteresting by default externally, ennui happens more internally, doesn't it?
i believe that surprise is actually the nuetral emotion. before any emotion takes control, there is always surprise and then rileys emotions figure out what to feel
Interesting but plausible
I actually have an Inside Out OC; his name is Confusion. He's brown in color and never fully understands what's going on. I feel like confusion is almost never brought up when talking about emotions, and I think that should change.
Peter griffin Poo reference?
Idk I think you have an interesting point but confusion is more of a state of being rather than an emotion. Like being tired or too hot or too cold.
I feel he would be more of an orange than a brown, I know anxiety kind of took that but like he could be a separate shade of orange, more bright as he isn't really a negative emotion
@@eugenekrabs141 yeah I thought orange as well when I first came up with him, but since it was already taken by Anxiety I settled on brown.
Finally, I found my main emotion !
This video is amazing! The content is always so engaging.
But that’s just a theory, a film theory!
Don't forget "Aaand cut"
@@ComradeDylan-801st I wish Embarrassment, Envy, and Ennui were fleshed out more and shown how harmful they could be if they go overboard, like Anxiety.
Anxiety could be anxious of embarrassing Riley by messing up during practice, thus suppressing Embarrassment which in turn would make Riley lose motivation since she’d take no risks in fear of embarrassing herself- Or she could have an embarrassing situation that hinders her confidence.
Riley could have felt envious that her friends were going to the same school without her and envious of how good Val is (rather than only admiring her), thus making her want to be better at hockey and make new friends.
Ennui could be Riley giving up- she no longer has interest in hockey after all the stress she is going through
Disgust dealing with her demotion would be an interesting side story, but I don't think Pixar will go for it since it made her so likable in both movies
HR in the inside out would be crazy to explain to a child. An emotion like character to make other emotions work better together.
If Pixar can make monsters working in a power plant entertaining, they can make emotions working in an office entertaining.
How is disgust a subset of anger? I feel angry when something is unfair, I feel disgusted when I'm near eggplants. If anything disgust is more close to fear as both protect you from the outside world
If you go back to the last Chart with 108 emotions, he even states that some of the outer rings are combinations of certain base emotions. Where it comes down to reasoning and feeling as to why we react. Those complex emotions need more than one to properly convey the underlying reasons.
Also, these are generalized and in turn are set for a broader scope of people that do fall into these categories. There will be outliers and or exceptions to the rule. Not everyone, but the majority. So if you personally react, feel and or look at life differently, that's simply you being an individual, and your mind/emotions acting accordingly.
Maybe the thought was that something that disgusts you should make you angry? Which doesn’t make sense, something that disgust you can also make you fearful, or just dislike things. Maybe the emotions wheel shouldn’t be a wheel with primary emotions.
Maybe anger is actually a subset of disgust, as in you're disgusted by injustice (lack of fairness) to the point of being inflamed about it
@@MapleTaurus No. Anger is certainly a base emotion. Disgust takes reasoning for us to understand why we're disgusted. Anger is primal and can happen just because without reason.
I feel like theres 2 different types of disgust, you can find a horrible person repulsive and thats because youre angry about what theyve done, and separately get grossed out by things like foods and smells that your body/memory tells you to avoid for your wellbeing, which is fear based. It probably would have been better on that wheel to have Disgust between anger and fear, but the latter type is kind of more of a physiological reaction than an emotion, so i sort of get why its structured this way instead, theyre just focused on disgust as the feeling of "i hate that this exists". Pixar has conflated both types to make the character of Disgust the one who keeps Riley away from everything she doesnt like, and that very much feels like the reason for her existence comes down to fear and anger existing first, thats where the emotions that make Riley not like something in the way that could lead to disgust come from.
When i ry think about it though...thats kind of complex for a little kid to understand, and even at the age she is in the first movie she probably wouldnt have thought to consider where her disgust comes from, its still just as simple as "the emotion pops up around these things so i avoid them without thinking twice". By the second movie though...its kind of stretching it to say that Disgust is still a core emotion leading how Riley feels as opposed to being better understood as a reaction to whats been laid out already by fear and anger. But Pixar has kind of made its bed and now has to lie in it, Riley is kind of going to be stuck not learning much about her own thoughts and emotions as she grows up to keep the cast of characters the same, its not like theyll actually start the third one with "oh yeah we just dont really talk to Disgust much any more, oh well"
The reason they made MatPat as the sadness memory was recalling when he said he was retiring, which was a sad moment.
Bro Putting FNAF Vhs Tape William in the fear spot and Matpat in the Sadness spot is perfect.
That’s the man in the tv from Mandela
I'm pretty sure disgust is a primary emotion as babies already have it and it is evolutionarly important - figuring out spoiled foods, visuals and smells that hint at dangers (e.g. corpses) etc. The fact that the big emotion wheel puts it under Anger is a joke - it has to have its own category, which would include things that come under envy as well. Not every model is perfect of course but taking that diagram as gospel isn't great to say the least.
I dont understand why people are saying that that scene in the Mario movie is a panic attack, hes just trying to recover from BEING THROWN THROUGH A BUILDING
I say it should be anger because there's a entirely seperate science for him called *anger management* for him.
Inside out should be a series not just a movie ... The amount of feelings and emotions described is enough to do a series
There’s an upcoming series called Dream Productions.
I've worked on using emotions for character development by assigning 2-3 emotions to each of my characters. I ended up with joy, social pressure, anger, sadness, love, & pride. As well as a spectrum of 3 states: interest, calm, & aversion/fear for how driven a character is. Calm being in the middle and causing inaction.
If I were to guess based on this info is that when multiple emotions are using the console, say Anger and Envy the memory that comes from it is basically a sub emotion like jealousy, you want the thing the other person has and are mad that you don't have the thing
“Grief is just love preserving” from Disney themselves too
Debatably, you could see Anxiety as being a kind of 'young', partially developed version of Vigilance. Anxiety is often a situation of over-anticipation, and since Vigilance is all about anticipation and guarding oneself, I could see Anxiety maturing to become Vigilance as Riley grows older. I say this as someone who struggles with an anxiety disorder, so don't come at me saying I can't possibly be right because I haven't experienced it.
I was genuinely wondering why Riley doesn't have a "Badass" emotion yet. Which is similar to joy but less smiles and love and more "tough girl" type thing. Maybe that will come later
I'm not much of a very good lore hunter but I am really loving the chill beats it's over on lorephi
This proves that the OG Inside Out can never be topped
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0:16 Me still waiting for HELLO INTERNET WELCOME TO FILM THEORY
It doesnt have the same emotion and attitude like how matpat always did
@@martinignaciodoesstuff3995 no one can replace matpat
@@cr_chaini think lee is doing really great
That Madam Web roast cracked me up
MatPat as sadness in the blue memory at 1:35 is fantastic 🥲
Love the casual prediction of one of Riley's parents dying in the next movie
Disgust is so iconic. If she leaves I’m exploding
Why is it so funny when anger says: *RAHHHHHH-* oh airplane everybody! 1:12
Wait, kids under puberty still can’t get embarrassed
2:02 says you, I had nostalgia when I was 16!
Same
Says all three of you, I had nostalgia when I was eight and revisiting my toddlerhood friends!
i had nostalgia when i was 9
Always entertained by your content, it's awesome!
8:35 Bro really summoned my Surprise Emotion 💀
My brain went so high I figured out there’s only two emotions called positivity and negativity
9:00 no. For me anxiety is very feeling based. And just like other intense feelings, sometimes can make it hard for me to act like when I’m not feeling anxious. So I disagree with that point.
And no. Excitement and nervous are closer than anxiety. Anxiety can literally be debilitating. And I guess extreme fear can too? But I don’t have any debilitating fears
i was gonna say the same thing bc like i was gonna to cry during the anxiety attack scene bc it related sm
Omg I haven’t watched film theory in like forever
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Same 😭
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@@SoggyCrackerz I wish Embarrassment, Envy, and Ennui were fleshed out more and shown how harmful they could be if they go overboard, like Anxiety.
Anxiety could be anxious of embarrassing Riley by messing up during practice, thus suppressing Embarrassment which in turn would make Riley lose motivation since she’d take no risks in fear of embarrassing herself- Or she could have an embarrassing situation that hinders her confidence.
Riley could have felt envious that her friends were going to the same school without her and envious of how good Val is (rather than only admiring her), thus making her want to be better at hockey and make new friends.
Ennui could be Riley giving up- she no longer has interest in hockey after all the stress she is going through
@@SoggyCrackerz ok
Matpat as the sad core memory is to true!😭
The Lorefi music in the background of all these theory videos lately is kind of freaking me out in the best possible way.
14:17 - I politely disagree. "What is Grief if not Love persevering?" - Vision
Inside Out 2 was my kid's first movie and constantly, ever since we left the theater, she's been asking "Mama, can we go back and watch Inside Out 3?" 💀😭
16:27 Whoa whoa whoa easy there man. Riley losing one of her parents shouldn't be happening (on average) till at LEAST 45 (although granted with more and more people not having ANY kids till mid 30s this number is going to be lowered) given the 20-30 year difference between parent and first born child.
Lots of Kids lose Parents early
If the Average kid Loses their Parents at 45, then Half of Kids lose Their parents Before 45, and half after.
I was sceptical of who was replacing matpat but I love this dude
I was waiting for this theory. Now I have it and I’m not fully surprised that an emotion isn’t actually an emotion.
1:35 sadness orb hits hard
Elements had a surprising upswing and made good money
That’s good, I liked it but it got lots of hate
Absolutely love how you break down the science behind the emotions! This video makes Inside Out 2 even more fascinating! 👏🎥
12:30 all hail the Feels Wheels!! A great tool I was introduced to while in a real low mental health moment, I appreciate the simplicity and straightforward approach to connecting emotions to one another, it really allowed me to put words to my feelings a lot easier than just trying to putting a name to it by myself
Love actually isn't an emotion, it's a state of being. Because you can choose whether or not to love someone, but you can't really choose what emotions you feel. 💕💕 Your awesome by the way dude! Your doing such a good job stepping into Mat Pats shoes!! 😁🤩
I don't think you can really choose to not love someone/thing. You can choose your reaction to it and you can try to train yourself out of it, but then it'd be like how fear can be trained out so you stop freaking out when you see a spider, for example.
Like you can't choose to love your least favorite ice cream flavor, nor choose to stop loving your spouse because they told you to do the dishes that one time.
Hi! So yeah I definitely see where your coming from! But I really meant love towards people instead of things. And I am a Christian, so we are instructed to love everyone, no matter what our feelings or emotions toward them are. So that's where I'm coming from 😊 Thank you so much for your response!
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Love _is_ the emotion. You know that feeling when you see your child or significant other and it swells in your chest, that rush that comes from the love hormones you produce when you see or think about them? It makes you happy to see them, to be near them, and to be in physical contact with them (holding hands, hugging, snuggling). That's the emotion of love.
I love my family and my close friends and would go through fire and flames for them, but i feel no love when i think of that one woman who put her baby in the microwave and turned it on. I do not think i am capable of loving the grown men who catcalled me when i was a preteen. It's physically impossible. Because that's not how emotions work.
Now, a lot of times i hear people say "love" when they mean respect. Respect is not an emotion, and i have to assume that's what christians mean when they say they're commanded to love something. "Love thy neighbor" doesn't mean experience the same emotional response seeing the local baker at the bakery as the emotional response you have when you see your spouse or your pet. If it did, it would mean you could draw a name from a hat and be equally as happy to marry that person you've never met as you would the person you fall in lust with, date, and then fall in love with.
It's why you can't say "i love you" as a bride to the best man at your wedding.
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That said, i do know a number of religious people who don't know what love is because they were required to not know. I'm talking groomed child and marrying someone because you have to be married to share a home or bed so assuming lust is love. Or having your spouse chosen for you by parents who "known best"
@@catelynh1020 person, i want to agree with you, but some of your statements were just unnecessary.
i think ur very good at what u do keep up the good work :>
8:44 Hm, I don't know necessarily that I'd consider love an emotion, it is just an anchor by which the whole system operates, "love" is more or less just a stand-in for parental-guidance.