Newer update video - Was I wrong about the RTX 4070? I've retested all games on a newer laptop: th-cam.com/video/pc2DDklgiJU/w-d-xo.html Find out why the RTX 4070 stops performing better after 100W here: th-cam.com/video/jMMrh6PpLI4/w-d-xo.html
Hey dude thanks for all the great reviews you do with laptops. I just wanted to ask if you could throw in one more collection of averages. You get the data anyway. 1% lows. To me it looks like the difference may be significant enough to point it out when even though avg. is about the same it looks like the 1% lows were worse for the 4070. It's just one more chart to show for each resolution you show the avg. for. Thanks again and always good stuff.
This is great because I'm not sure if I should get the 40 series or just go for a cheaper 30 series model of laptop but the 40 series laptops have advanced optimus and mini LED 1000+ nits screens.
My conspiracy theory is that FG can easily be enabled on 30 series, but Nvidia only allows it for 40 series so they can make worse hardware and still sell it Edit: not so crazy after all....
Technically, FG is much like motion interpolation on modern TVs....you can achieve very similar results, where the 60 FPS Output from as PS5 could be 120 and more.... Such features come with artefacts...maybe AMD will release a FSR update soon were also older GPUs from all manufacturers can use it.
oh wait.. 'According to AMD, FSR 3.0 will provide up to twice the frame rate as FSR 2.0, which seems to come exclusively from the Fluid Motion Frames technology. AMD hasn't shared any details on how this tech works, but the company confirmed that it is using frame generation similar to Nvidia's recently released DLSS 3.'
NVIDIA is expecting people treat DLSS 3 as ''real frame'', therefore 2x performance uplift. We know its a joke, but good chunk of consumer will eat the PR up just fine.
exactly , the whole markting of the 40 series , is the dlss 3 , its like : yeah we give almost the same performance , but hey you have dlss 3 that make double fake fps and won't be available for the other cards
Don't forget it's in like 5 games. Highly doubt existing games will get it and who's to say AMD won't release an open source one that runs on everything.
Jarrod let me just say thank you for your fantastic insights and reviews. I've just grabbed a 3070ti Helios 300 off of your videos, this has justified my purchase as want it to last for the next 4-5 years what I'm certain it will easily!
Hey if its the same one I'm thinking of, how has it treated you these past few months? Please let me know bc im torn between that one and a couple others haha
@@ThorOdinson1269 Massively, zero issues so far. No need to format anything, as fast as day one still and looking at 40 series pricing and performance, it feels like a real sweet spot still.
@@Arguments_only embarrassment to claim a generational leap when they are selling the same performance for higher cost. Embarrassment to unabashedly sell something that was very clearly designed to be a 4060 as a 4070 at a higher price than the 3070 sold at when production costs are likely a little lower. They're just trying to get the market to accept covid/mining prices as normal. When else have we seen in tech an actual regression in price to performance at launch msrp gen over gen? It's only the last few years and they're trying to get everyone to just be okay with it. I bought a laptop with a 3070 2 years or so ago and if I spent the same money now it would only buy me a 4060, which extrapolating from what we see in this video would be a noticeable step down in performance. This isn't even paying more for more. This is paying more for the same. It's a blatant cash grab.
So the better Nvidia laptops this year are the 4080 and 4090 ones, and those laptops cost way over $2000. Damn Nvidia must be smoking some heavy stuffs over there
I recently purchased the G15 AE, and immediately started regretting it thinking I should have waited for the new 40 series laptops. However after looking at the performance of these new laptops for the price/ performance I am more than happy with my choice Edit: I'm the UK so prices here are substantially more than the US
Having bought a 4080 laptop, I didn't really do it for value or performance. I did it because budget wasn't too much of a concern and the newer 40 series laptops have the ability to be much quieter, and indeed, it is much quieter than all the laptops I tried in 2022. If noise is not a priority for you, 30 series is still plenty good.
I have the G15 AE and a scar 17 with a 3080 and sometime I feel the AE just looks so much better but with slightly less fps. I’m happy with both but do sometimes prefer the AE
Got the Lenovo legion 7i slim recently on sale and I’m very happy with it. Just upgraded the ssd. Thought I’d made a mistake but now I’m glad I chose to get it when I did. Mainly use it for work and playing D2R
I did the same thing but with the zephyrus g14 2022 model. I think the AMD gpus in these laptops with hold up better than we expected now since these are the results for the 40 series cards.
I think it can be summed up a lot by just saying "If you're buying a new laptop with the 40 series GPUs, you're buying them for the frame generation feature". Obviously the performance is going to be similar, therefor, if you're looking for a deal, get last years model. If you're looking for this years performance and are willing to pay the extra $ for the frame generation feature then there you go.
Great comparison! Yeah I was worried when I started seeing the new naming of the laptop GPUs with a 4090 instead of a 4080 as the top. Instantly put up red flags in my eyes. Basically every laptop GPU is one step down from what they were in the previous gen.
This GPU is codenamed AD106. The 106 class GPUs last gen were the 3060 and 3050. They're doing the same old trick again, this is a 60 class card with a 70 class name. Edit: If you look up the AD106 it is the same chip found in the 4060 and 4050. This is probably just a highly binned AD106 aka a jumped up 4060.
Yup. They're selling 4060 as "4060", but it is in fact 4050ti due to 2500 cores vs 3000. 4070 tho is the real 4060 due to much more cores. So Nvidia sells us 4060 which is in fact 4050ti and second, it sells 4070, which is on fact 4060. And 4070 vs 4060 branding is at least 100$ more
Die size wise, the AD106 compares to the GA107. So it's even worse. They are naming the successor to the RTX 3050 Ti as RTX 4070. You heard that right.
@Captain_Morgan What point do you want to prove with an extremely-heavily cut down GA106 that became the 3050, exactly? GP106 isn't a fair comparison, it didn't have dedicated RT cores. And even if it did, it only indirectly refute a tiny part of my narrative.
It's relying on a gimmick to pretend it's superior when in reality it's just mediocre/bad. Thank you for your due diligence Jarrod. We'd be lost without you.
CPU temperatures and power requirements are still a major problem in laptops, even relatively beefy gaming laptops. A lower TGP for the graphics card means more power can be sent to the CPU. From personal experience, 70 and 80 series GPUs are typically more limited by the CPU performance in a laptop than anything else. Alleviating the thermal constraints on the system by allowing the GPU to get similar performance at a lower wattage makes a big difference in that regard.
Yeah but realistically, the CPU is the one heating up laptop the most. GPU power cut down won't make much difference when it's not even going over 70-80 degree. And 4050, 4060 laptop won't even receive more performance going from 100 to 140/150w like 30 series. We're paying more for the same perf
Question, wouldn't the lower fps of the 4070 combined with wider power range improve the frame rate drop spread? Im under the impression that the 4070 is more finely tuned for consistent performance in rease as opposed to just more power but having less consistency. Which to many consumers, would be ah improvement.
If the results on 4060 vs 3060 are going to be similar, where 4060 barely beats 3060 and needs DLSS 3 (which on it's own doesn't give too much of a difference) AND a frame generation to get a significant difference, I'm more than happy with my RTX3060 laptop :)
Alienware 3080 lappy gets hot! July driver update by Nvidia made it screwy hot and they haven't fixed it yet...(I keep it tidy, compressed air, etc.) What are the heat differences between the 30s and 40s? /planned obsolescence?
I'm more worried about the memory bandwidth than the frame generation feature. The 1% lows for the 4070 in a lot of the games you featured were a joke compared to the 3070ti. I bought myself a 3060 laptop recently on a very good sale and these 4070 results do not make me have high hopes for a 4060.
As mentioned many times in the video can't take too much from the 1% lows due to the CPU difference. There are at least 3 games here where the big dips are 100% due to the HX processor
@@JarrodsTech Can you test the 13th gen HX processor with the E-cores disabled ? I think / hope that should remove the problem. Or go through the hassle of assigning cores manually for the games.
@@anonymous-lm4ig The Legion 5 6800H & 3060 on sale at Microcenter for $1100. Jarod reviewed it at one point. There's a Asus G14 6900HS & Radeon 6700 S on sale at Bestbuy for the same price if you prefer. Found in the USA if it matters.
here in South East Asia, majority of distributors only supplied with RTX 3050 & 3050ti, which is a shame considering it only has 4gb vram... it is as if these laptop manufacturers want to juice out the RTX 3050 because of the cheaper component, but with "ray tracing" labelled in it. If you can find 3060 with decent price, I suggest you grab it... But unless you are on Desktop, I do hope you can hold your old GPU until RTX 50 series is out in 1.5 years from now, that is where the competition get stacked with Intel, AMD, and Nvidia. not only the 3050 series will get obsolete in approximately 2 years, now Nvidia hope consumers will get satisfied with this 40 series because of DLSS 3? Man... the greed of Nvidia knows no bound.
@@nickochioneantony9288 oh only 1.5 years i can wait 6 I don't have a good laptop i have a celeron laptop since i got it when i didn't know about computers
@@nickochioneantony9288 yeah. Too bad 4050 is costing a bit more this time around and seeing the difference between a 3050 6GB and 4050 might not be negligible, it does sound like it's better off getting the newer ones.
Yeah but 3070Ti is still hella expensive and more power hungry. The 4070 might be a fake joke because it's basically replacing the 3060 after they introduced the 4090(a fake 4090) to laptops, but it still has its use cases. It's a step above 3060
Recently bought a legion 5 pro with the 3070ti just before the 40 series Nvidia laptops launched. While I’m glad I can validate my purchase, it sucks to see so little performance improvement with the (relatively) higher price tag for the new models
Same here, and same laptop purchased. I was worried that I would be missing out on performance, but it seems clear that the 40 series are only an incremental improvement. Hopefully the 50 series is a return to form for Nvidia.
Legion 5i pro 12700h 3070ti 16gb ram here, happy for my purchase, but sad with those infos.... Should have better performance... Will we see dlss3 on 3000 series????
So basically the new xx60 cards will be xx50's with xx70 prices. xx70 will be xx60 for xx80 prices and so on. Not only a downgrade in specs but also a tier jump in price. Got it. Thx Nvidia, much appreciated 👍
Oh and btw, I am super glad I went last year with a RX 6800S specced G14 that I got for like $1180 in US dollars. I got my 6800XT on the way and I will finally complete my PC build as well. I have been an NVidia user for 15 years and didn't necessarily wanted to go AMD but I had no choice. Can't wait for the GPU to arrive to see how it performs as my full AMD laptop left a very good impression so far.
@@bloxoss what loss exactly? Paying more for less? There are not "winning" and "losing" sides, for the consumer there is only value for money. After all these years my wallet is getting tired of so much "winning" with Nvidia. If you use it for workloads that make use of CUDA then yes, buy Nvidia. But for gaming currently it's a scam. RTX is at the 3rd iteration now and after all these years it's still a fad, 99% of games don't support it, it make hardly a difference and it tanks the performance even on a 4090 without DLSS. Not worth the premium. Look at the "4070m", ZERO improvement over the 3070ti. So yeah, enjoy paying 4070 prices for a 4060 that has the specs of a 4050ti. So much "winning"😆
2:30 I’m surprised you weren’t able to get the Legion 7 with the 3070ti and 12th gen HX. I bought one over the holidays and seeing this comparison I’m really glad with my purchase. I love the added unicorn vomit.
I always skeptical when nvidia publish the specification of RTX 40 series laptop which most of them has less cuda cores compared to 30 series. I guess 4060 will have the same story since it only has 3072 versus 3840 on the RTX 3060
Wow...that's a surprise. I was about to list my 3070 laptop and upgrade, but see absolutely no point in doing that now. Thanks for the vid...very enlightening \m/
I created a custom frequency curve with MSI on a 3070 Legion 5i Pro to take better advantage of the 150w TDP limit and managed to get over 3070 Ti performance, close to the 3080 in benchmarks so the 4070 looks even worse lol. Not to mention the laptop was far cheaper with a 3070 than the newer 4070 laptops.
And what's worse it's not even a 4070 even though that's what Nvidia calls it, it's actually a 4060 or maybe even a 4050 Ti.... So the cost basis is even worse, because you're going to pay more for that so-called 4070 laptop then getting a 3070 laptop yet get no more or less performance... It's disgusting that Nvidia's trying this... Seriously want antitrust rules to be applied to Nvidia. 4 years ago I would have been all on Nvidia side, yet here we are
I think the community should start working on modding drivers to get FG working on older hardware, I'd be very interested to either sponsor or work on a project like that.
Just bought XMG Neo 17 (M22) with RTX 3080 16GB (hello stable diffusion and VR games), 32 GB RAM, 1TB SSD, Intel WIFI and water cooler with 50% discount. For ~2400 euro. LETS GOOOOO! The alternative I've seen are new laptops with 4080, but the prices are ridiculous in Europe.
The new generation has purposefully been numbered one series higher for marketting i.e. the 4070 is not a 4070 it is a 4060, similarly the 4090 is actually a 4080 when compared to previous generations
4090 is as it should be. It's a clear stand out. It was/is the flagship. I don't think anything 'sketchy' happened here. It's everything else that is/was the problem. The 4080 looks like it was originally 2 variants. 16gb vram and 12. The 12 is now the current 4070ti after nvidia got absolutely put through the ringer for the 12gb pricing/performance. It's why no 4070ti FE exists. Other than this, as we see here, is as originally designed. Which is a problem. Again... as we see here. While the 4070ti (aka 4080 12gb) was absolutely DRAGGED by reviewers and content creators... it looks like it's probably the best bet of the bunch in terms of price/performance. It's the only one outside of the 4090 that's been correctly (re)branded. The performance based on it's predecessor makes sense. The pricing is still up for debate.
@@SirKakalaCh That is just because laptop 3080 and 3070 shared same chip unlike this gen, 4090 laptop is still underclocked desktop 4080 and deserves such name
thank you so much for making this comparison! i recently bought a 3070ti laptop with a decent discount and was wondering if i did a mistake by not waiting for the new laptops to release. But it looks like there isnt really a performance difference and the 4070 seems to be a bit more expensive, so im really happy about that😅
Yeah I just placed an order on mine, compared it to my buddies that he got at Best Buy. Literally no experience in gaming laptops but comes to find out I made a very great purchase. It’s deemed best 2022 gaming laptop
Hi, I am planing to buy a laptop next year and my options are 3070 ti , 3080 ti or 4070, but now i am confuced because 3070 ti and 4070 are almost same in performance and i dont know how much future proof is 30 series card laptops, what is your opinion on buying 30 series card laptop in 2024? Also will it be ok to go with the 3080ti laptop over the 4070?
I'm so glad i got the 150w 3070ti laptop at a fairly good price almost a year ago, which for some reason is now selling at a significantly higher price as of today 😂
@Ralph Reilly can't really ask for more. i got mz strix g17 in june last year and i was kinda contemplating when 40 series came out, especially with DLSS 3 but man have been the happiest after this video came out. the only 2023 feature i would really want is the mux switch without a restart, other than that I'm pretty darn happy with my beast.
@@ideal.leader i think purely from gaming perspective i prefer 16:9. infact I'm thinking of getting a 21:9 monitor for a better experience. and micro LED, objectively it is better yeah but i don't think I'll see that big of a difference, especially since I'll br using an external monitor at home.
I'm in the exact same situation. I was only planning on buying a 3060, but then I saw how little the difference was in price relative to the performance increase, so I went with the 3070ti. The one I bought is now at least 15% more expensive and seeing how the 4070 does, I am very satisfied :D
@@nizzan91 oh same!!! coming from a 1050ti i was looking to not spend more than €1500 and i could only see 3060s, but i landed an incredible sale deal of 2k for a 3070ti and 6900hx, way more performance for the mere 500 bump and now this same laptop is selling for 2.8k here. best decision of my life!!
3070ti has 27% more cuda cores than 4070. 3070ti has 256 Bit Mem Interface and 4070 only 128 3070ti has 488GB/s Mem Bandwidth and 4070 only 256GB/s That results in same performance even though the architecture is better than the 4070. Also higher resultions needs more bandwidth, thats why 3070ti takes the lead in 2k. In 4k it would a bit higher for the 3070ti. U can see the same for the 4070Ti Desktop, which performances well in 1080p and 1440p but in 4k the performance drops a lot if you compare it with the 3090 or 3090Ti.
So basically, the 4070 is just '3070Ti but with more features'. Though for me, I'd still probably go for the new laptops this year mainly because of the 16 10 screens. Now I hope Jarrod puts out the 3060 vs 4060 comparison next for us more midrange folks
It's worse than 3070ti imo. 128bit bus is like we see in a 1050ti. Games that are highly being dependent will suffer with 1% low dips and be a stuttery mess. There is a minimum FPS to uses does frame generation you can't make 30fps games buttery smooth by dlss3.
yeah this is slightly disingenuous because literally everything else is better too. its not the same as a desktop with a direct gpu drop in. these laptops aren’t identical. The prices are however are a wild frontier .
Thank you so much! Been waiting for this video! So happy I picked up my Legion 5i pro with rtx 3070 ti last year on sale! Looks like it will be a great performer for awhile to come 😁
I wondered if with their policy of 50% increase of power for 50% increase of price (so, same thing 2 years later), Nvidia would not end up with reviewers comparing a say 4060 to 3070 or 4070 to 3080 and saying it's the same thing at some point. I was wrong. The 3070 Ti laptop is a 4070 laptop. Bravo Jensen.
Just bought an MSI Vector GP66HX with 12800, 32g, and 3070ti on sale at Bestbuy for 1799.00. I'm blown away by the difference from my lenovoY540 with 1660ti. It's like everything is a new game. Getting used to a 15 6" screen is an adjustment from the 17" but it's not as noticeable as I thought it would be. I highly recommend it.
Thank you so much! Your videos are very useful! Will you do a comparison of all 4000 mobile series available soon? It would be necessary to observe the benefits from every tier (cost to performance)
Ok so here’s a unpopular take: From what I’m seeing from the “4070”(whatever you wanna call it) is not that bad of a GPU. Here’s the thing, yes it doesn’t perform that much better(if at all) better than the 3070ti but it can go so much lower and not lose that much performance. 1:33 shows that clearly. The fact you can get 1440p60fps at 40watts is seriously impressive. All is needed is a better efficient CPU… I would love to see how the 4070 performs at 50 watts
@@kristhianpinazo8221 right, and the performance you maintain while having better battery life is severely overlooked by the fact that it doesn’t perform that much better than the previous gen and Nvidia is extra greedy and stupid.
One of the things that you have to consider, though, is that not everyone wants a big, sweaty gaming laptop with an 8 pound brick. I think the 4070 is still a good chip because a lot of form factors that would have never been able to host a 3070 Ti will be able to have a 4070. Don't be surprised if you start seeing business, mainstream, relatively portable laptops, fully USB-C powered laptops with 4070, like XPS class laptops. Sure, it won't be at max TDP, but not everything has to be max performance all the time, and those would have been laptops that had a 3060 last generation. Most reasonable users will not chase fps while running their fans at 50+ dB. But yes, of course, there will be a 4070 Ti next year.
I think it is really cool that the 40 series can use so few watts and, at the lower TGPs that they share with 30 series cards, produce more frames. I do like the power efficiency angle of these cards. Seeing FG being gimped at 1440p is not a good sign.
A desktop 4060, yes. The laptop has always been one tier down in specs and performance from the desktop naming scheme. 80->70, 70->60, etc. In fact, you can look at this and see the type of performance a desktop 4060 will have stock. The desktop version will have a bit more power to play with for overclocking but in general this is probably the 4060's performance, as has been the case every generation for the last 10 years.
@@CyberneticArgumentCreator nope my point is that typically we see a massive uplift in mobile generational performance. For example a 3060m matched a 2080m. The fact a 4070m can't even beat a 3070tim shows that the card is basically a 4060m branded as a 4070m. Proof is in the cuda core count
Now consumers will be in dilemma if both laptop are under same price tag, hopefully 3070ti laptops go on sale and then it will a be good deal other than that this is disappointing.
Tech these days just isn’t changing that fast, just incremental improvements. Just goes to show you can keep your last gen gaming laptop and it will last well into the future before you need to upgrade.
@@HeLithium yeah, because its the only gpu that they really cared about. The 4080 is also dissapointing in terms of perfomance compared to the 4090. The 4080 desktop is also just a 4070. The 3090 and 3080 shared gpu die, and now we have a 4080 thats similar in price to the 4090 and has a different die.
Thanks for your work! I recently bought a laptop with 3070 TI, and was checking, how it performs compared to 4070. Yeah, well, for my surprise they are almost the same. And I am happy to see it, that my laptop did not become a potato :) Though it rise the question about GPU naming.
Yeah for like $1200 I’m interested. Otherwise I’ll wait and see if they panic an release a super or ti Version of the 4070 with 10gb vram and 160bit bus and closer to 5500-6000 cuda cores. My 4 year old 2060 laptop has a bigger memory bus, it’s ridiculous.
Super glad I jumped In and got a great deal on my 3070Ti Legion 7i and didn't wait now. My CPU is 12800HX also which may give this 4070 an even better competition.
Actually the FPS per W graph tells pretty existing thing. Laptops like XPS 15-17, ThinkPads, and other non gaming specific laptops with 50 to 70W at GPU will be pretty close to previously thiker and heavier proper gaming laptops. Jump from 3060 to 4070 for XPS might bring more than 50% graphical performance to those machines.
The main benefit is that the 4070 will perform great even in thin laptops and the laptop will be quiet while gaming. I had an Asus Vivobook Pro 16X OLED (N7601-NW) and the 3070Ti inside it performs much worse than my newer Vivovook Pro 16X with 4070 (K6604JI)!! Also the laptop was so loud, this newer laptop is so quiet while gaming, it is a completely different experience!! Like night and day!! So the 4070 is a boon for Multimedia laptops! This newer laptop weighs only 1900g, crazy that it performs so well. I could not be more impressed with the 4070!
I bought my 3070 ti laptop 💻 thanks to Jarrod, best investment ever, unless they change the ram capacity it seems pointless to change to a newer laptop
Thanks Jarrod! Your laptop reviews are the best, I love the honesty, and how you really test them and compare them for your viewers, and don't just spew out fluff reviews for kick backs.
@@CyberneticArgumentCreator I did watch the video, I meant more comparable as in there would be an actual difference, plus the 4070 is the next in line of xx70, not xx70ti
Why didn't you compare the heat generation? I'm pretty sure a 4070 will be extremely efficient which is what mobile users should be shooting for. It's a bummer that they couldn't increase performance without DLSS 3.0 (frame generation like t.v.'s have had for a long time for those new to the topic) , but with the process node improved from 8 nm --> 4 nm these (4070 mobile GPUs) are probably able to run at much lower temperatures overall.
Bcs it uses different laptop with different thermal dissipation design and different thermal envelopes on top of entirely different class of cpu So comparing them doesn't make sense
Just orderd myself a Lenovo Legion 5 with 6800H and 3070 for ~1300€. The cheapest 4070 option starts at 1699€, and comparable Laptops ( max wattage GPU) currently start at 2499€. As you said, I also would be willing to spent an additional 100-200€ for FrameGeneration, but not an additional 400-1000€. I'm still looking forwards to an impressive upgrade coming from an i7 7700hq and 1060maxq. Really excited to try DLSS2, I'm sure my new Laptop will also last 4-5 years.
Thank you for this shocking performance of the 4070, as I would have thought it beats the 3070ti by a large amount! If they would enable the cheat of FG for the 3070ti they are in the same league. I would even say because of the 8nm to the 4nm that the 4070 is much easier to destroy. Seeing this I am happy I got the Lenovo 7i 7th gen 3070ti for much lower price. (by the way I do not like the new Lenovo 7i design)
I'd love to see a productivity / benchmark comparison between those CPUs. I'm interested if the extra cache makes a big difference. Also wondering why so many more units seems to be paired with i9s in 13th gen laptops.
Probably even worse for creators, thats why we didn't see any test. Lower cuda and tensor cores and memory bandwidth so in blender and davinci resolve performance will be worst then rtx3000.
Please I wanna know which one is better, for media creation , like adobe & after effect & 3D max? 1st option IdeaPad gaming 3 , i7 12650H ,3050ti , 16 ram, 512ssd , 165hz , SRGb 100% 2nd option Lenovo legion 5i , core i5- 11400H , 3060 6g , 1t ssd, 16 ram ,165hz, 100% SRGb The two options are the same price ,so which one is better ?!
they are smooth but response time is very high. Its not good at all for multiplayer games or for fast paced games, usually shooters or sport games. right now its still for story driven games only
You don't need the newest hardware to play games and I'd recommend checking out 30 series if you need a new laptop because they are becoming cheaper now.
Hey Jarrod, I got an acer nitro 5 with an i7 12650H, rtx 3070ti, 16GB DDR4 Single channel RAM, 1TB SSD Gen4, QHD Color accurate screen 165Hz at $890. Is it a good deal?
I bought my Legion 5 Pro back in November 2022. I figured if we followed past trends laptops with 40 series GPUs wouldn't hit the market until later in 2023. Well que my surprise when I saw they were being released much earlier than that. I was pretty damn disappointed and really kicking myself for not waiting a couple months considering I spent $1500 for the R7 6800h RTX 3070Ti model. I thought the difference would be much greater than this. Now I feel much better about my purchase. No wonder Nvidia is making excuses to not bring FG to 30 series GPUs seeing that the feature is the only differentiating factor...pretty pathetic tbh.
Now I feel a lot better about purchasing a 3070 ti machine just a few weeks before the 40 series came out. Thanks Jarrod for the comforting words! Lol.
Great content. However, Other reviewers are observing that it is matching 3080 and 3080Ti, I am wondering if there is a specific problem with the tested unit. Cheers.
Thank you very very much for all these quality videos! You make our life a lot easier and we appreciate the hard work you put into making such quality videos! Keep up the good work man!
So basically nvidia is cheating customer with more price as the same way intel cheated customer last year by launching 12700 processor which has same result as compared to core i 9 12900h. Thanks man for info. ❤️❤️❤️❤️ Love from india. Long live jarrod
Newer update video - Was I wrong about the RTX 4070? I've retested all games on a newer laptop: th-cam.com/video/pc2DDklgiJU/w-d-xo.html
Find out why the RTX 4070 stops performing better after 100W here: th-cam.com/video/jMMrh6PpLI4/w-d-xo.html
Hey dude thanks for all the great reviews you do with laptops.
I just wanted to ask if you could throw in one more collection of averages. You get the data anyway. 1% lows. To me it looks like the difference may be significant enough to point it out when even though avg. is about the same it looks like the 1% lows were worse for the 4070. It's just one more chart to show for each resolution you show the avg. for.
Thanks again and always good stuff.
This is great because I'm not sure if I should get the 40 series or just go for a cheaper 30 series model of laptop but the 40 series laptops have advanced optimus and mini LED 1000+ nits screens.
Can we get a comparison between Rtx 4080 vs 4090 laptop gpu’s ?
Jarrod, could you do the 3070 vs 4060? Please?
Thank you for a great review, don't forget to include comparisons other than games, vray and blender
My conspiracy theory is that FG can easily be enabled on 30 series, but Nvidia only allows it for 40 series so they can make worse hardware and still sell it
Edit: not so crazy after all....
Technically, FG is much like motion interpolation on modern TVs....you can achieve very similar results, where the 60 FPS Output from as PS5 could be 120 and more....
Such features come with artefacts...maybe AMD will release a FSR update soon were also older GPUs from all manufacturers can use it.
I think so too because AMD will have FSR3
It'd be hilarious if AMD came out with something similar to FG in a new iteration of FSR.
@@Turbosmooooth already announced, my guy.
oh wait.. 'According to AMD, FSR 3.0 will provide up to twice the frame rate as FSR 2.0, which seems to come exclusively from the Fluid Motion Frames technology. AMD hasn't shared any details on how this tech works, but the company confirmed that it is using frame generation similar to Nvidia's recently released DLSS 3.'
NVIDIA is expecting people treat DLSS 3 as ''real frame'', therefore 2x performance uplift.
We know its a joke, but good chunk of consumer will eat the PR up just fine.
exactly , the whole markting of the 40 series , is the dlss 3 , its like : yeah we give almost the same performance , but hey you have dlss 3 that make double fake fps and won't be available for the other cards
Sorry but what is "PR"?
I mean the current game I play doesn't even support DLSS 2. So, no performance uplift with the 4070.
@@carlostorresfuenzalida1528 public relations a.k.a marketting to consumer
Don't forget it's in like 5 games. Highly doubt existing games will get it and who's to say AMD won't release an open source one that runs on everything.
Now we need 3060 vs 4060 immediately :(
I was hoping he would put that first
be more kind...would you like if someone approaches you like that?
I need 4050 vs 3060 since it somehow nearly the same price at my place 😢
Agreed
@@tokuzakwanime6450 same :(
Two years for 3% improvement, it's so hard to see ppl even defending it.
Jarrod let me just say thank you for your fantastic insights and reviews.
I've just grabbed a 3070ti Helios 300 off of your videos, this has justified my purchase as want it to last for the next 4-5 years what I'm certain it will easily!
Hey if its the same one I'm thinking of, how has it treated you these past few months? Please let me know bc im torn between that one and a couple others haha
How is it? Still satishfied?
@@ThorOdinson1269 Massively, zero issues so far. No need to format anything, as fast as day one still and looking at 40 series pricing and performance, it feels like a real sweet spot still.
@@jflintham45 Thank you for the reply!
@@jflintham45 does it overheat when you game?
What an embarrassment.
Thank you for the good coverage, hopefully next generation doesn't suck this royally
embarrasment to sell new tech that offers significant improvement to willing buyers ?? Ok bud.
@@Arguments_only embarrassment to claim a generational leap when they are selling the same performance for higher cost.
Embarrassment to unabashedly sell something that was very clearly designed to be a 4060 as a 4070 at a higher price than the 3070 sold at when production costs are likely a little lower.
They're just trying to get the market to accept covid/mining prices as normal.
When else have we seen in tech an actual regression in price to performance at launch msrp gen over gen? It's only the last few years and they're trying to get everyone to just be okay with it.
I bought a laptop with a 3070 2 years or so ago and if I spent the same money now it would only buy me a 4060, which extrapolating from what we see in this video would be a noticeable step down in performance.
This isn't even paying more for more. This is paying more for the same.
It's a blatant cash grab.
@@Arguments_only Where exactly did you get the "significant improvement" part from?
@@Arguments_only watch the video
@@TyTystick in many games dlss3/framegen available the improvements are significant.
So the better Nvidia laptops this year are the 4080 and 4090 ones, and those laptops cost way over $2000. Damn Nvidia must be smoking some heavy stuffs over there
They're on crack
Aren’t the new laptops all like 5000$ lol
@@austyn5455 not with Asus laptop. Apparently they offer the most affordable (still expensive) RTX 4080 and 4090 laptop compared to other brand
@@austyn5455 No rtx 4080 is $2500 and rtx 4090 is $3700.
@@dp27thelight9 3500 euros for the samsung 4070 book ultra, 2700 for the 4050
I recently purchased the G15 AE, and immediately started regretting it thinking I should have waited for the new 40 series laptops. However after looking at the performance of these new laptops for the price/ performance I am more than happy with my choice
Edit: I'm the UK so prices here are substantially more than the US
I did the same thing. A Ram upgrade, and an additional NVME, and I'm very happy with my discounted laptop.
Having bought a 4080 laptop, I didn't really do it for value or performance. I did it because budget wasn't too much of a concern and the newer 40 series laptops have the ability to be much quieter, and indeed, it is much quieter than all the laptops I tried in 2022. If noise is not a priority for you, 30 series is still plenty good.
I have the G15 AE and a scar 17 with a 3080 and sometime I feel the AE just looks so much better but with slightly less fps. I’m happy with both but do sometimes prefer the AE
Got the Lenovo legion 7i slim recently on sale and I’m very happy with it. Just upgraded the ssd. Thought I’d made a mistake but now I’m glad I chose to get it when I did. Mainly use it for work and playing D2R
I did the same thing but with the zephyrus g14 2022 model. I think the AMD gpus in these laptops with hold up better than we expected now since these are the results for the 40 series cards.
I think it can be summed up a lot by just saying "If you're buying a new laptop with the 40 series GPUs, you're buying them for the frame generation feature". Obviously the performance is going to be similar, therefor, if you're looking for a deal, get last years model. If you're looking for this years performance and are willing to pay the extra $ for the frame generation feature then there you go.
No matter anymore with Amd Fsr 3.0
@@wolfFFFx fsr 3.0 is so bad
@@ilberrass
@@AbbasDalal1000 keep cry😂 fsr3 judt good for nvidia mods..
@@ilberr English??
Great comparison! Yeah I was worried when I started seeing the new naming of the laptop GPUs with a 4090 instead of a 4080 as the top. Instantly put up red flags in my eyes. Basically every laptop GPU is one step down from what they were in the previous gen.
4090 and 4080 is awesome dude.
The 4080 laptop is 4070ti level easily
This GPU is codenamed AD106. The 106 class GPUs last gen were the 3060 and 3050. They're doing the same old trick again, this is a 60 class card with a 70 class name.
Edit: If you look up the AD106 it is the same chip found in the 4060 and 4050. This is probably just a highly binned AD106 aka a jumped up 4060.
The 4060 and 4050 are actually on AD107, which is even worse, so not even those will be good value... It sucks
@@kiwisorbet wow, fuck nvidia
Yup. They're selling 4060 as "4060", but it is in fact 4050ti due to 2500 cores vs 3000. 4070 tho is the real 4060 due to much more cores.
So Nvidia sells us 4060 which is in fact 4050ti and second, it sells 4070, which is on fact 4060. And 4070 vs 4060 branding is at least 100$ more
Die size wise, the AD106 compares to the GA107. So it's even worse. They are naming the successor to the RTX 3050 Ti as RTX 4070. You heard that right.
@Captain_Morgan What point do you want to prove with an extremely-heavily cut down GA106 that became the 3050, exactly? GP106 isn't a fair comparison, it didn't have dedicated RT cores. And even if it did, it only indirectly refute a tiny part of my narrative.
Not bad for a 4060 lap... oh no, they renamed it as 4070 laptop and charge 2400 euros!
It's relying on a gimmick to pretend it's superior when in reality it's just mediocre/bad. Thank you for your due diligence Jarrod. We'd be lost without you.
CPU temperatures and power requirements are still a major problem in laptops, even relatively beefy gaming laptops. A lower TGP for the graphics card means more power can be sent to the CPU. From personal experience, 70 and 80 series GPUs are typically more limited by the CPU performance in a laptop than anything else. Alleviating the thermal constraints on the system by allowing the GPU to get similar performance at a lower wattage makes a big difference in that regard.
Yeah but realistically, the CPU is the one heating up laptop the most. GPU power cut down won't make much difference when it's not even going over 70-80 degree. And 4050, 4060 laptop won't even receive more performance going from 100 to 140/150w like 30 series. We're paying more for the same perf
Question, wouldn't the lower fps of the 4070 combined with wider power range improve the frame rate drop spread? Im under the impression that the 4070 is more finely tuned for consistent performance in rease as opposed to just more power but having less consistency. Which to many consumers, would be ah improvement.
If the results on 4060 vs 3060 are going to be similar, where 4060 barely beats 3060 and needs DLSS 3 (which on it's own doesn't give too much of a difference) AND a frame generation to get a significant difference, I'm more than happy with my RTX3060 laptop :)
You should be, regardless. It's a great GPU.
@@mutant69 Definitely, it will, and already has, give me great times for years to come
Alienware 3080 lappy gets hot!
July driver update by Nvidia made it screwy hot and they haven't fixed it yet...(I keep it tidy, compressed air, etc.)
What are the heat differences between the 30s and 40s?
/planned obsolescence?
4060 is much stronger than 3060, ~= or slightly weaker than 3070ti according to a test from China on ThunderRobot Zero (with 13900hx).
@@kimnorberg9783 bro if 4060 is around 3070ti and fg then what is even the point of 4070 laptop lmao
I'm more worried about the memory bandwidth than the frame generation feature. The 1% lows for the 4070 in a lot of the games you featured were a joke compared to the 3070ti. I bought myself a 3060 laptop recently on a very good sale and these 4070 results do not make me have high hopes for a 4060.
Koan sa liya bro?
As mentioned many times in the video can't take too much from the 1% lows due to the CPU difference. There are at least 3 games here where the big dips are 100% due to the HX processor
@@JarrodsTech Can you test the 13th gen HX processor with the E-cores disabled ? I think / hope that should remove the problem. Or go through the hassle of assigning cores manually for the games.
Bro can you please tell which rtx 3060 laptop did you bought and at what price?
@@anonymous-lm4ig The Legion 5 6800H & 3060 on sale at Microcenter for $1100. Jarod reviewed it at one point. There's a Asus G14 6900HS & Radeon 6700 S on sale at Bestbuy for the same price if you prefer. Found in the USA if it matters.
In this case I'm sticking with rtx 30 series is decent hopefully someone will have it in stock in my area sooner or later
here in South East Asia, majority of distributors only supplied with RTX 3050 & 3050ti, which is a shame considering it only has 4gb vram... it is as if these laptop manufacturers want to juice out the RTX 3050 because of the cheaper component, but with "ray tracing" labelled in it. If you can find 3060 with decent price, I suggest you grab it... But unless you are on Desktop, I do hope you can hold your old GPU until RTX 50 series is out in 1.5 years from now, that is where the competition get stacked with Intel, AMD, and Nvidia.
not only the 3050 series will get obsolete in approximately 2 years, now Nvidia hope consumers will get satisfied with this 40 series because of DLSS 3? Man... the greed of Nvidia knows no bound.
@@nickochioneantony9288 oh only 1.5 years i can wait 6
I don't have a good laptop i have a celeron laptop since i got it when i didn't know about computers
@@nickochioneantony9288 yeah. Too bad 4050 is costing a bit more this time around and seeing the difference between a 3050 6GB and 4050 might not be negligible, it does sound like it's better off getting the newer ones.
@@joelconolly5574just get a 3090ti
Yeah but 3070Ti is still hella expensive and more power hungry. The 4070 might be a fake joke because it's basically replacing the 3060 after they introduced the 4090(a fake 4090) to laptops, but it still has its use cases. It's a step above 3060
Recently bought a legion 5 pro with the 3070ti just before the 40 series Nvidia laptops launched. While I’m glad I can validate my purchase, it sucks to see so little performance improvement with the (relatively) higher price tag for the new models
Same here, and same laptop purchased. I was worried that I would be missing out on performance, but it seems clear that the 40 series are only an incremental improvement. Hopefully the 50 series is a return to form for Nvidia.
i did the same xD i7 12700 h and 3070 ti laptop msi:D we can wait to 50xx 60xx :D
Legion 5i pro 12700h 3070ti 16gb ram here, happy for my purchase, but sad with those infos.... Should have better performance... Will we see dlss3 on 3000 series????
So Nvidia cheating
always love the content you put out! i know it must be difficult with all these apples to oranges comparisons.
So basically the new xx60 cards will be xx50's with xx70 prices. xx70 will be xx60 for xx80 prices and so on. Not only a downgrade in specs but also a tier jump in price. Got it. Thx Nvidia, much appreciated 👍
Oh and btw, I am super glad I went last year with a RX 6800S specced G14 that I got for like $1180 in US dollars. I got my 6800XT on the way and I will finally complete my PC build as well. I have been an NVidia user for 15 years and didn't necessarily wanted to go AMD but I had no choice. Can't wait for the GPU to arrive to see how it performs as my full AMD laptop left a very good impression so far.
@@MadBlazer89 6800 xt is a beast for its price
@@MadBlazer89 your loss! enjoy the losing team, who can't even maintain market share to INTEL.
@@bloxoss shill, shut.
@@bloxoss what loss exactly? Paying more for less? There are not "winning" and "losing" sides, for the consumer there is only value for money. After all these years my wallet is getting tired of so much "winning" with Nvidia. If you use it for workloads that make use of CUDA then yes, buy Nvidia. But for gaming currently it's a scam. RTX is at the 3rd iteration now and after all these years it's still a fad, 99% of games don't support it, it make hardly a difference and it tanks the performance even on a 4090 without DLSS. Not worth the premium. Look at the "4070m", ZERO improvement over the 3070ti. So yeah, enjoy paying 4070 prices for a 4060 that has the specs of a 4050ti. So much "winning"😆
Yes, it's a joke in raw performance. . .
To get you to buy a 4080/4090 mobile GPU!
And they still perform worse than 4070 ti super😂😂
@@pravinsingh6198 which costs close to RTX 4080 desktop card in India, which will destroy any of these cards.
2:30 I’m surprised you weren’t able to get the Legion 7 with the 3070ti and 12th gen HX. I bought one over the holidays and seeing this comparison I’m really glad with my purchase. I love the added unicorn vomit.
I have same and i get better performance than the legion 5 pro in the video.
I always skeptical when nvidia publish the specification of RTX 40 series laptop which most of them has less cuda cores compared to 30 series. I guess 4060 will have the same story since it only has 3072 versus 3840 on the RTX 3060
Wow...that's a surprise. I was about to list my 3070 laptop and upgrade, but see absolutely no point in doing that now. Thanks for the vid...very enlightening \m/
Stop buying laptops scrub.
I created a custom frequency curve with MSI on a 3070 Legion 5i Pro to take better advantage of the 150w TDP limit and managed to get over 3070 Ti performance, close to the 3080 in benchmarks so the 4070 looks even worse lol. Not to mention the laptop was far cheaper with a 3070 than the newer 4070 laptops.
Are there any guides on how to do that? I got the 5 pro amd version with a 3070.
I did something similar, what is your voltage and clock values?
@@edvinjohnson4136 I think Linus & BOAT have guides on it
How much performance could I squeeze out of my 140w 3060 in my Legion 5i this way? Close to or higher than the 3070?
And what's worse it's not even a 4070 even though that's what Nvidia calls it, it's actually a 4060 or maybe even a 4050 Ti.... So the cost basis is even worse, because you're going to pay more for that so-called 4070 laptop then getting a 3070 laptop yet get no more or less performance... It's disgusting that Nvidia's trying this... Seriously want antitrust rules to be applied to Nvidia. 4 years ago I would have been all on Nvidia side, yet here we are
yeah, i noticed the giant drop in cuda core counts going from 4080 to 4070 in laptops, i suspected this
Thanks Jarrod for your work! It helps me a lot!
I think the community should start working on modding drivers to get FG working on older hardware, I'd be very interested to either sponsor or work on a project like that.
Just bought XMG Neo 17 (M22) with RTX 3080 16GB (hello stable diffusion and VR games), 32 GB RAM, 1TB SSD, Intel WIFI and water cooler with 50% discount. For ~2400 euro. LETS GOOOOO! The alternative I've seen are new laptops with 4080, but the prices are ridiculous in Europe.
The new generation has purposefully been numbered one series higher for marketting
i.e. the 4070 is not a 4070 it is a 4060, similarly the 4090 is actually a 4080 when compared to previous generations
4090 is definitely not a 4080 of a prev. generation... 4090 is probably the only proper naming in this god awful lineup
@@SirKakalaCh 4080 and 4090 both are extremely good as 4080 it 30% faster than 3080ti . Idk what they did with 4070 lmao
He means to say a laptop 4090 is a desktop 4080 and so on
4090 is as it should be. It's a clear stand out. It was/is the flagship. I don't think anything 'sketchy' happened here. It's everything else that is/was the problem.
The 4080 looks like it was originally 2 variants. 16gb vram and 12. The 12 is now the current 4070ti after nvidia got absolutely put through the ringer for the 12gb pricing/performance. It's why no 4070ti FE exists.
Other than this, as we see here, is as originally designed. Which is a problem. Again... as we see here.
While the 4070ti (aka 4080 12gb) was absolutely DRAGGED by reviewers and content creators... it looks like it's probably the best bet of the bunch in terms of price/performance. It's the only one outside of the 4090 that's been correctly (re)branded. The performance based on it's predecessor makes sense. The pricing is still up for debate.
@@SirKakalaCh That is just because laptop 3080 and 3070 shared same chip unlike this gen, 4090 laptop is still underclocked desktop 4080 and deserves such name
thank you so much for making this comparison! i recently bought a 3070ti laptop with a decent discount and was wondering if i did a mistake by not waiting for the new laptops to release. But it looks like there isnt really a performance difference and the 4070 seems to be a bit more expensive, so im really happy about that😅
Sad because now all the 3070ti are sold out TT
Yeah I just placed an order on mine, compared it to my buddies that he got at Best Buy. Literally no experience in gaming laptops but comes to find out I made a very great purchase. It’s deemed best 2022 gaming laptop
Did you buy hp omen 16, rtx 3070ti ,amd ryzen 7 6800H?
It was a big mistake
Hi, I am planing to buy a laptop next year and my options are 3070 ti , 3080 ti or 4070, but now i am confuced because 3070 ti and 4070 are almost same in performance and i dont know how much future proof is 30 series card laptops, what is your opinion on buying 30 series card laptop in 2024? Also will it be ok to go with the 3080ti laptop over the 4070?
I'm so glad i got the 150w 3070ti laptop at a fairly good price almost a year ago, which for some reason is now selling at a significantly higher price as of today 😂
@Ralph Reilly can't really ask for more. i got mz strix g17 in june last year and i was kinda contemplating when 40 series came out, especially with DLSS 3 but man have been the happiest after this video came out. the only 2023 feature i would really want is the mux switch without a restart, other than that I'm pretty darn happy with my beast.
@@kjharish wht abt 16:10 n micro led
@@ideal.leader i think purely from gaming perspective i prefer 16:9. infact I'm thinking of getting a 21:9 monitor for a better experience. and micro LED, objectively it is better yeah but i don't think I'll see that big of a difference, especially since I'll br using an external monitor at home.
I'm in the exact same situation. I was only planning on buying a 3060, but then I saw how little the difference was in price relative to the performance increase, so I went with the 3070ti. The one I bought is now at least 15% more expensive and seeing how the 4070 does, I am very satisfied :D
@@nizzan91 oh same!!! coming from a 1050ti i was looking to not spend more than €1500 and i could only see 3060s, but i landed an incredible sale deal of 2k for a 3070ti and 6900hx, way more performance for the mere 500 bump and now this same laptop is selling for 2.8k here. best decision of my life!!
My man always with the informative content thanks
hi, shouldnt the 4nm chip cram in more CUDA cores in the same area relatively? why is performance same
3070ti has 27% more cuda cores than 4070.
3070ti has 256 Bit Mem Interface and 4070 only 128
3070ti has 488GB/s Mem Bandwidth and 4070 only 256GB/s
That results in same performance even though the architecture is better than the 4070.
Also higher resultions needs more bandwidth, thats why 3070ti takes the lead in 2k. In 4k it would a bit higher for the 3070ti.
U can see the same for the 4070Ti Desktop, which performances well in 1080p and 1440p but in 4k the performance drops a lot if you compare it with the 3090 or 3090Ti.
So basically, the 4070 is just '3070Ti but with more features'. Though for me, I'd still probably go for the new laptops this year mainly because of the 16 10 screens. Now I hope Jarrod puts out the 3060 vs 4060 comparison next for us more midrange folks
It's worse than 3070ti imo. 128bit bus is like we see in a 1050ti. Games that are highly being dependent will suffer with 1% low dips and be a stuttery mess. There is a minimum FPS to uses does frame generation you can't make 30fps games buttery smooth by dlss3.
yeah this is slightly disingenuous because literally everything else is better too. its not the same as a desktop with a direct gpu drop in. these laptops aren’t identical.
The prices are however are a wild frontier .
I don't see how it's worth to be called as "having more features", aside from Frame Generation.
@@hadifelani Technically they do have AV1 encoding, if you happen to be one of the people that care about that. Most people don't though.
@@MrHamof exactly
Thank you so much! Been waiting for this video! So happy I picked up my Legion 5i pro with rtx 3070 ti last year on sale! Looks like it will be a great performer for awhile to come 😁
I wondered if with their policy of 50% increase of power for 50% increase of price (so, same thing 2 years later), Nvidia would not end up with reviewers comparing a say 4060 to 3070 or 4070 to 3080 and saying it's the same thing at some point.
I was wrong. The 3070 Ti laptop is a 4070 laptop. Bravo Jensen.
Jarrod a question, why did the Power Scaling graph at 1:40 only go up to 115W TGP when these are maximum 140W and 150W GPUs?
Just bought an MSI Vector GP66HX with 12800, 32g, and 3070ti on sale at Bestbuy for 1799.00. I'm blown away by the difference from my lenovoY540 with 1660ti. It's like everything is a new game. Getting used to a 15 6" screen is an adjustment from the 17" but it's not as noticeable as I thought it would be. I highly recommend it.
Jarod waiting for your legion pro 7i vs scar comparison (4080) , thermals
Thank you so much! Your videos are very useful! Will you do a comparison of all 4000 mobile series available soon? It would be necessary to observe the benefits from every tier (cost to performance)
Thank you jarrod for releasing this video before release day tommorrow so many consumers wont fall for this "joke" of a product.
Ok so here’s a unpopular take: From what I’m seeing from the “4070”(whatever you wanna call it) is not that bad of a GPU. Here’s the thing, yes it doesn’t perform that much better(if at all) better than the 3070ti but it can go so much lower and not lose that much performance.
1:33 shows that clearly. The fact you can get 1440p60fps at 40watts is seriously impressive. All is needed is a better efficient CPU… I would love to see how the 4070 performs at 50 watts
yeah, dude, that means more battery life.
@@kristhianpinazo8221 right, and the performance you maintain while having better battery life is severely overlooked by the fact that it doesn’t perform that much better than the previous gen and Nvidia is extra greedy and stupid.
One of the things that you have to consider, though, is that not everyone wants a big, sweaty gaming laptop with an 8 pound brick. I think the 4070 is still a good chip because a lot of form factors that would have never been able to host a 3070 Ti will be able to have a 4070. Don't be surprised if you start seeing business, mainstream, relatively portable laptops, fully USB-C powered laptops with 4070, like XPS class laptops. Sure, it won't be at max TDP, but not everything has to be max performance all the time, and those would have been laptops that had a 3060 last generation. Most reasonable users will not chase fps while running their fans at 50+ dB. But yes, of course, there will be a 4070 Ti next year.
I am extremely satisfied with my 3070ti.
Same, mine is only 100-120w but it’s good enough for me.
Im happy with my 3070 its enough for 1080p
@@frosty1631 For sure. Can run most games on high 1440p as well.
This is a Nvidia's tactic to force us to buy the 4080 (which is a 4070 in reality). They do thia because AMD is not bringing competition
I think it is really cool that the 40 series can use so few watts and, at the lower TGPs that they share with 30 series cards, produce more frames. I do like the power efficiency angle of these cards.
Seeing FG being gimped at 1440p is not a good sign.
Nvidia must be high as fuck if they think this will sell
I'm so relieved right now that I divided to buy my laptop last year with the 3070 ti and not waiter for the new graphic cards
Amen
Here I was sitting with my 3070 G15 wondering if I should spend the $$ to upgrade to a 4070. NOPE. Thanks for saving me the dough, Jarrod!
I feel like we're only paying for frame generation this generation
dlss 4 = nvidia just adds 50 to the fps counter
4070 is really a 4060.
A desktop 4060, yes. The laptop has always been one tier down in specs and performance from the desktop naming scheme. 80->70, 70->60, etc. In fact, you can look at this and see the type of performance a desktop 4060 will have stock. The desktop version will have a bit more power to play with for overclocking but in general this is probably the 4060's performance, as has been the case every generation for the last 10 years.
@@CyberneticArgumentCreator nope my point is that typically we see a massive uplift in mobile generational performance. For example a 3060m matched a 2080m. The fact a 4070m can't even beat a 3070tim shows that the card is basically a 4060m branded as a 4070m. Proof is in the cuda core count
Straight to the point! Good job always man 🎉
Amazing work JT!
Thanks a lot!
Now consumers will be in dilemma if both laptop are under same price tag, hopefully 3070ti laptops go on sale and then it will a be good deal other than that this is disappointing.
how would it be a dilemma? if both are priced the same, go for the 4070 as it will most likely have updated CPU as well. That's a no brainer.
Tech these days just isn’t changing that fast, just incremental improvements. Just goes to show you can keep your last gen gaming laptop and it will last well into the future before you need to upgrade.
That's because of the power limits on laptops
Desktop RTX 4090 saw the biggest performance boost in recent years
@@HeLithium happy to see someone else also just saw the video now
@@HeLithium yeah, because its the only gpu that they really cared about. The 4080 is also dissapointing in terms of perfomance compared to the 4090. The 4080 desktop is also just a 4070. The 3090 and 3080 shared gpu die, and now we have a 4080 thats similar in price to the 4090 and has a different die.
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Basically since these sort of benchmarks have been released retailer's have upped the prices of 3070ti laptops 😂
Thanks for your work! I recently bought a laptop with 3070 TI, and was checking, how it performs compared to 4070. Yeah, well, for my surprise they are almost the same. And I am happy to see it, that my laptop did not become a potato :)
Though it rise the question about GPU naming.
Yeah for like $1200 I’m interested. Otherwise I’ll wait and see if they panic an release a super or ti Version of the 4070 with 10gb vram and 160bit bus and closer to 5500-6000 cuda cores. My 4 year old 2060 laptop has a bigger memory bus, it’s ridiculous.
This is like bragging about how big your car's fuel tank is. It doesn't make the car faster unless you stop for gas.
@@CyberneticArgumentCreator More like engine size.
Apr 2023: cheapest laptops with 4070 I can see are 1500-1600. Not there :)
Super glad I jumped In and got a great deal on my 3070Ti Legion 7i and didn't wait now.
My CPU is 12800HX also which may give this 4070 an even better competition.
Actually the FPS per W graph tells pretty existing thing. Laptops like XPS 15-17, ThinkPads, and other non gaming specific laptops with 50 to 70W at GPU will be pretty close to previously thiker and heavier proper gaming laptops. Jump from 3060 to 4070 for XPS might bring more than 50% graphical performance to those machines.
Why do you sound normal between 00:00 and 00:20 and then suddenly it sounds like you're talking in slow motion for basically the rest of the video?
The main benefit is that the 4070 will perform great even in thin laptops and the laptop will be quiet while gaming. I had an Asus Vivobook Pro 16X OLED (N7601-NW) and the 3070Ti inside it performs much worse than my newer Vivovook Pro 16X with 4070 (K6604JI)!! Also the laptop was so loud, this newer laptop is so quiet while gaming, it is a completely different experience!! Like night and day!! So the 4070 is a boon for Multimedia laptops! This newer laptop weighs only 1900g, crazy that it performs so well. I could not be more impressed with the 4070!
upcoming Nvidia drivers patch will probably nerf 3070ti performance ;)
I bought my 3070 ti laptop 💻 thanks to Jarrod, best investment ever, unless they change the ram capacity it seems pointless to change to a newer laptop
Would love a 4060 vs 4070 laptops as the price increase between the 2 is ll over the place.
Glad I got the 3070ti Legion (the one in video) for CAD 1600! Reassuring.
Great comparison! Thnx for this video
Glad you liked it!
Thanks Jarrod! Your laptop reviews are the best, I love the honesty, and how you really test them and compare them for your viewers, and don't just spew out fluff reviews for kick backs.
I got an alienware 4070 13700 laptop for a grand. I can't complain other than the insane power brick.
Many of us work our gaming laptops as well, so it would be nice to know the differences between 3070ti and 4070 on different workloads.
Got to imagine Frame Generation doesn't help here. So 3070Ti win?
@@Th3Gr33k but the 3rd gen cores might help? We never know
@@Th3Gr33k probably.
@@charanteja200 I guess we'll find out soon enough. Either way I can't imagine it'll be significant difference.
There is no reason for DLSS 3 not to work on 3000-series, this is just a money grab from Nvidia.
I just zoned in on the amon amarth t-shirt. Well done sir!
The 4070 is definitely more comparable to the 3070, and I'll like a video on that, especially when I have a 3070
This video shows the laptop 4070 is identical in performance to the laptop 3070Ti, not the 3070.
@@CyberneticArgumentCreator I did watch the video, I meant more comparable as in there would be an actual difference, plus the 4070 is the next in line of xx70, not xx70ti
I'm more curious about the 4060 vs 3070 I hope you can make a comparison between the two GPUs on this channel 🤞
Why didn't you compare the heat generation? I'm pretty sure a 4070 will be extremely efficient which is what mobile users should be shooting for. It's a bummer that they couldn't increase performance without DLSS 3.0 (frame generation like t.v.'s have had for a long time for those new to the topic) , but with the process node improved from 8 nm --> 4 nm these (4070 mobile GPUs) are probably able to run at much lower temperatures overall.
Bcs it uses different laptop with different thermal dissipation design and different thermal envelopes on top of entirely different class of cpu
So comparing them doesn't make sense
@Jarrods Tech Please make an updated video about the best budget cooling pads of the moment! (please and thank you)
Just orderd myself a Lenovo Legion 5 with 6800H and 3070 for ~1300€. The cheapest 4070 option starts at 1699€, and comparable Laptops ( max wattage GPU) currently start at 2499€. As you said, I also would be willing to spent an additional 100-200€ for FrameGeneration, but not an additional 400-1000€.
I'm still looking forwards to an impressive upgrade coming from an i7 7700hq and 1060maxq. Really excited to try DLSS2, I'm sure my new Laptop will also last 4-5 years.
I like products that consume less electricity
Thank you for this shocking performance of the 4070, as I would have thought it beats the 3070ti by a large amount! If they would enable the cheat of FG for the 3070ti they are in the same league. I would even say because of the 8nm to the 4nm that the 4070 is much easier to destroy. Seeing this I am happy I got the Lenovo 7i 7th gen 3070ti for much lower price. (by the way I do not like the new Lenovo 7i design)
Agree, the new Lenovo 7i design seems uglier... so I bought a 9th gen 3070ti white one and I am more than pleased!
I'd love to see a productivity / benchmark comparison between those CPUs. I'm interested if the extra cache makes a big difference. Also wondering why so many more units seems to be paired with i9s in 13th gen laptops.
Probably even worse for creators, thats why we didn't see any test. Lower cuda and tensor cores and memory bandwidth so in blender and davinci resolve performance will be worst then rtx3000.
Please I wanna know which one is better, for media creation , like adobe & after effect & 3D max?
1st option
IdeaPad gaming 3 , i7 12650H ,3050ti , 16 ram, 512ssd , 165hz , SRGb 100%
2nd option
Lenovo legion 5i , core i5- 11400H , 3060 6g , 1t ssd, 16 ram ,165hz, 100% SRGb
The two options are the same price ,so which one is better ?!
So the only real reason to upgrade to the 4070 is fg? With fg are the games smooth?
they are smooth but response time is very high. Its not good at all for multiplayer games or for fast paced games, usually shooters or sport games. right now its still for story driven games only
Thinking about retiring from gaming. The market is just far too depressing and other hobbies are looking rather good now.
You don't need the newest hardware to play games and I'd recommend checking out 30 series if you need a new laptop because they are becoming cheaper now.
It should be called a 4060 and priced as so. Nvidia is just greedy as hell and knows some people will still pay for it sadly
Scummy marketing tactics.
Hey Jarrod, I got an acer nitro 5 with an i7 12650H, rtx 3070ti, 16GB DDR4 Single channel RAM, 1TB SSD Gen4, QHD Color accurate screen 165Hz at $890. Is it a good deal?
Great comparison! Very informative.
I bought my Legion 5 Pro back in November 2022. I figured if we followed past trends laptops with 40 series GPUs wouldn't hit the market until later in 2023. Well que my surprise when I saw they were being released much earlier than that. I was pretty damn disappointed and really kicking myself for not waiting a couple months considering I spent $1500 for the R7 6800h RTX 3070Ti model. I thought the difference would be much greater than this. Now I feel much better about my purchase. No wonder Nvidia is making excuses to not bring FG to 30 series GPUs seeing that the feature is the only differentiating factor...pretty pathetic tbh.
Thanks Jarrod. They are just joking with us while our wallet laughing back at us. 😂
Now I feel a lot better about purchasing a 3070 ti machine just a few weeks before the 40 series came out. Thanks Jarrod for the comforting words! Lol.
Same, I felt such a relief.
Y u buy. U buy 1300 dolla huh? 👀 if u buy mor u got baddy deal 👁🧐🥽🙄🙈🤩👁
Great content. However, Other reviewers are observing that it is matching 3080 and 3080Ti, I am wondering if there is a specific problem with the tested unit. Cheers.
Great and very informative video! Thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you very very much for all these quality videos! You make our life a lot easier and we appreciate the hard work you put into making such quality videos! Keep up the good work man!
So basically nvidia is cheating customer with more price as the same way intel cheated customer last year by launching 12700 processor which has same result as compared to core i 9 12900h. Thanks man for info. ❤️❤️❤️❤️ Love from india. Long live jarrod
I’m so glad I went with 3070ti instead of waiting for 4070 few months back. Thanks for all the great videos you make for us Jarrod! 🙌
What laptop did you got just curious
You just copin lmao
Hey justing wondering if you could do 4050 vs 3060? Want to know if it's worth waiting for the nitro 16 or buy a 3060 now