Thank you for deciding to do this one after all. Since I'm a Blackhawks fan, wasn't really informed on the negative side of his career. What a piece of work that guy was in Vancouver.
Doesn't refute a single point, calls him derogatory names, egregiously over exaggerates number of Messier fans.... This guy's crops are safe as hell with all the Strawman he has Messier is a piece of shit human. Good player, bad person. Edit- OK, I didn't know about the Weekes scenario. Messier gained a bit of respect for that
@@user-nq3uv5ol7s reading your posts, it's seems pretty clear who's doing the crying. And, it's spelled menstrual, btw, which means monthly. So, you're saying this video is the creator's monthly take?
@@BurtTurbo does your manhood get excited when you can correct someone's spelling or typo for the whole wide world to see? Because yes everyone important to you is watching your every comment and move. My god your parents must be proud.
Worse thing the Canucks did that year they signed Messier Hired Mike Keenan and traded Trevor Linden How can you possibly screw up so many times in one year
The Linden trade was super. We got Bertuzzi who was twice the player and 5 years younger. 6-4. 240, Linden 200 at 6-4, not near as scary, and Bertuzzi scored much higher than Trevor
Mess came with Keenan and they needed the old leader out. What dark days for the Canucks. And to think, if ownership wasn't so impatient, they would have had Gretzky centering Bure and Mogilny!
@@samstone22744 I remember it being 'unofficially retired' by the equipment manager and players. Kind of a tradition thing handed down through the ages to show respect for Maki.
Great video. Came here after watching the Game 7 Amazon series on Canucks Rangers 94. Tough to watch even now. So much respect for Linden and the 94 Canucks team.
... the fashion in which he won it, is what fans don't like. Messier played ugly and dirty, and that won him the Cup. Linden played hard with heart and honour, though it didn't win him a cup, he will always be revered as Vancouver's Golden Son... whereas Messier will probably be never welcomed in Van ever again.
I've always known bits and pieces of mark messier's time in Vancouver, but there's never been anything documented online as comprehensively as this video. Job well done. Thanks
After watching messiers elbow to the head compilation it has very much changed my view of him…I was young during those times and missed all this as a kid
It's easy to take things out of context. Back in the old days of hockey the refs weren't as strict with penalties. you'd see alot more slashs, crosscheck, highsticks, trips not getting called. Most star players would get brutalized with illegal attacks. Messier as a star player took his share of beatings and sometimes on occasion he would throw a elbow or get in a fight. You have to show teams that if they take liberties with you you are going to fight back, or you'll end up like Lemieux and Orr your career cut short.
@@KadeRiley-hq8gc You can´t take out of context that Messier was a dirty player, he just didn´t get normal treatment because he was a star. And he wasn´t stud like Wendel Clark, Messier was opportunist. He would vhuck any small player any day without remorse, but he rarely stood up against tougher (or even tough) opponent. All of his NHL career he had tough guys who protected him.
Glad those are out there. Messier is perhaps the dirtiest star player of my entire lifetime. That anyone pays him for his mushmouth opinions on hockey is an embarrassment to all real fans.
@@tulpatonmopo you know shit,Messier was left alone because he would kick ass if he had to.He protected himself,if any player didn’t like getting elbowed they could do something about it if they dared.
Messier is one of the most vicious players ever. And yes I'm a big ranger's fan and Mark Messier was the difference maker for that 1 Stanley cup they got in 94.
I searched for 'mark messier canucks highlights' and this is the first video that came up. It absolutely deserves to be that way. Thank you for a great documentary 🙏
I legit remember living through this in real time. Keenan would get in interviews bashing Linden for his gameplay but the rest of the team kept backing him up and in many cases taking some blame for themselves. Linden was more respected by his teammates than his team. They were starting to even rebel against Keenan and that is why he traded Linden and anyone remotely connecting to him in any way contrast to Keenan's authority. The Canucks simply because a team with no heart and no ambition to succeed for management and did not care anymore. ALL because of Messier's ego.
If Messier realized it was potentially an issue to wear #11, he could have just changed on his own. That’s what Ian Cole did when he found out #28 was last worn by Luc Bourdon.
@@user-nq3uv5ol7s It's not that he needed to change number, it's that they didn't even wait to talk to the family. He didn't care. That's the issue. The team and city had been showing respect for a player who died of brain cancer, and Mark Messier didn't care about getting his family's blessing. So, sure, he was allowed to take the number, but that doesn't mean he's not a heartless douchebag.
@@user-nq3uv5ol7s He didn't HAVE to, but as mentioned in the video, if he was the leader he was believed to be, why wouldn't he out of RESPECT. He obviously understands what it means to earn it. Sounds like an ego problem.
“Messier only scored 84 points in 71 game” ik he’s supposed to be depicted as the villain but 88 or 84 points is still impressive, give credit where credit is due🤷🏾♂️
Messier was a floater when he was in Vancouver . He didnt forecheck just hung around center waiting for a pass. Worst invesment the Nucks ever made. Keenan and Messier ruined a team that took a while to be good again.
I love Messier and I agree with that. Mess did things his way, insisting Keenan come is just one example. And Keenan didn't work for that team, he ruined it Thats a fair statement.
Thanks for this expose. I appreciate the time and effort. Well done. As I was watching this, a curious thought crossed my mind when the video was discussing Mark's hit on Linden after Linden got 'cheap-shotted' by Graves in Game 6 of the SC Finals. Was there a lot of hate that was built between the Rangers and Canucks in that Stanley Cup Final? It almost seemed like Mark was like someone from the Mafia (example only). In that the Canucks almost upset the Rangers in that Final and it almost seemed like they were not only going to rub it into the Canucks' skin when they won the cup but they were going to make Vancouver pay for making the Rangers work so hard to win it. Just the way the whole Messier-in-Vancouver-stint unfolded, it almost seemed like Mark was committed to completely make Vancouver pay. Like Mark was doing a hit on the Canucks such that the team would be decimated to the point that they wouldn't be going back to the Finals anytime soon after he finished his time with Vancouver. I know that's not the truth of what really happened...but just by what the organization endured during Mark's time in Vancouver, it almost seemed that way. Do you see what I mean?
The guy who made this video speaks like a woman. Messier is one of the greatest to ever play the game. He fought, he protected his teammates fighting tough guys like Stephen's and Daneyko, he enforced, is a hall of fame offensive and defensive talent And most of all is the best team leader ever to lace them up. He didn't fit in Vancouver and ownership never should have allowed his demand to bring in Keenan. They destroyed the Canucks who were not a team that worked well with disciplinarians. That's an honest statement But saying you "hate Messier" based off this terrible video? Why not say you hate Gordie Howe as well Scott Steven's, Cam Neely, Tkachuk and Trottier. Except in addition to those greats he was the greatest There's a reason he won so many cups
Been a Canucks fan for decades. Messier was a mistake. A money hungry mistake. Thank goodness we can move on. Fine line between athleticism and intelligence.
@@user-nq3uv5ol7s actually, he left because the Canucks declined the fourth and fifth year options on his contract. You'd know that if you'd actually watched the video and not come on here just to talk trash while having Messier's c**k down your throat.
@@user-nq3uv5ol7sNews Flash for you bud Canada haven't won shit since 93 especially your precious Coilers choking game 7 this past Finals enforces that narrative.
"SAVED BY RICHTER" is the most iconic canucks call of all time. Your distain for one of the best players of all time throughout the video loses you credibility. Calling him a sore loser and a gossip girl is wild, and I'm not a fan of Messier or any team he's played for.
its ok to not like a player, and not respect somebody, but he also never said he does not respect him, i can say i don't like Gretzky thats not a bad thing. he's allowed to have his own opinion
@ and I didn’t say anything about anyone saying saying about not respecting Messier..? I also didn’t mentioning anything about him not liking Messier, rather I mentioned his unjustified comments on Messier. You just rambled about something no one said
@@bc1173 ok i get your point(not trying to start an argument) but his unjustified comments were reasonably based. how's it wild to call him a sore loser?
There was no way messier and his ego would allow him to wear any number besides #11. That’s why the handwritten contract specifically stated #11. Considering no one had that number on the roster, why make it a point to list in the contract Unless he demanded the number.
Agree. I didn't believe that until I saw the handwritten contract draft the first time. Not being in the room we don't know if Messier had been told "don't worry about it we will address Maki." Knowing hockey as much as he should have, you don't take the number. You score a ton of cache with fans: "I switched from #11 to respect Maki and the tradition of my new team, I will choose #XX as my way of turning to a new era of Canucks hockey." Its that simple. He could have played the 3 years the same way with the same stats and results but the spin would be "Messier played hurt and wanted to help the team" and other positive spin. He pre-burnt that bridge to feed his ego all over a jersey #.
The hit on Linden was disgusting. The wearing number 11 thing is dumb though. Considering how tough hockey players are, they sure whine a lot about things that are not in the rules.
The fact that the end of this video got such little time compared to the rest is unreal. The Canucks were done when he came, and that Trevor Lindon trade helped bring in a decade plus of exciting hockey to Vancouver. Mess knows what it takes to win and he saw a rebuild was required. Not an easy thing with feelings on the line. He won with and without Gretz, twice. Canucks didn't have it anymore. Say what you will but for those that watched hockey back in the 90s, it was full on war out there. People also forgot that Bure tried to rearrange a face in Game 3. It was a nasty series on both sides. Sure it is despicable to look at today but it truly was a different game. Don't forget that in 1972 Canada won by breaking a Russian's ankle on purpose that Canadians still celebrate to this day. I do agree he shouldn't have gone to Vancouver, but if he hadn't, those changes would never have been made and that Canuck team would have led a much different course.
Unless someone lik Gino was on the ice.he is imo the most under rated Canuck of all time. capable of potting 25 goals, maybe 30. and the fans LOVED this guy. Got the best of Dave Brown but got little ice time
As a lifelong Canucks fan, I never liked Messier before he came to Vancouver as he looked identical to my neighbor Nate Hilman who I absolutely hated. He was and still is a puke NH). But I also knew Messier was way past his prime and that just because he was "Mr. Captain" it wouldn't translate to winning. I wasn't aware at the time about who would wear the "C" and what an issue it would be with Linden, but in hindsite, what a mess! You often see sports management and ownership bringing in big names to teams when they are past their prime. Pujols to the Angels, Chris Paul to the Warriors or even when Steve Nash and Dwight Howard went to the Lakers to join Kobe. Very rarely does it work.
Brett Favre to the NYJets (and the Vikings), who are seeing deja vu with Aaron Rogers. Ron Duguay to the Detroit Red Wings. Wayne Gretzky to the NYRangers.
These last two uploads about Canucks history/controversy were great! Really liking the way you put together this style of content so I'm subbing to the channel. Keep it up!
The leadership award being named after Messier is bs. Should be named the Jean Beliveau award. Messier couldn't hold a candle to Big Jean in terms of leadership, winning, and especially CLASS.
@@TranslatedAssumption he led the Oilers to their first Stanley Cup, by being physial and fast against a hard working tough team. he led the Oilers to cup number five. Kurri and Gretzky were long gon.e he led the Rangers to their first cup in 54 years. so like it or not; he is a leader. and also not my favourite person. but it is what it is
I remember telling my buddies as we watched the game 6 Van/Nyr game - it’s a 4-1 game with 40 seconds left. Why is Lindon on ice right now? Are they asking the Rangers to take a run at him? Sure enough….it happens
Well he is 6 ft 4 and 205. He needs to smash someone. ijnstead he is lame. he could give mess a good go. maybe lose but do some damage.Remember 1982/ here's Grant Mulvey taking liberties with out players and in steps Ron Delorme. They go. Delorme beats yhim like a used punching bag. Canucks take the series, and go on to their first SCF. Trevor did not have that attitude. and it hurt him. what made me more sick was Brat marchand slapping henrik in the face. henrik did nothing,,.. 6-1 and just under 200. Chicken chit. neither did anyone else on that team gp after marchand. . so i don't much like the trend to soft players and soft teams
Something I don't see talked about often: the Mark Messier Leadership award is literally chosen by Mark Messier. I'd always assumed it was like the other NHL awards.
That 94 series was both the greatest I ever watched and the one that soured me in the 90s on the NHL. I felt like the league clearly favoured the Rangers. It wasn't just the Graves or the Messier cheap shots that the league did nothing about. It was giving Pavel Bure the game for high sticking and then when another Ranger did the same thing the next game, I can't remember if it was Messier or Beukeboom, they got 4 minutes and were allowed to stay in the game. Maybe the Rangers win anyway. But my hatred for the people running the league began there. I sensed and still to this day sense even less interest by the NHL to have a fairly run league. Everyone uses the former Arizona Coyotes as an example of how the NHL ISN'T rigging games. But that's not what I mean. Once you get into the playoffs, it's easy to manipulate the outcome of games. If Messier was suspended for game 7, as he should have been, who knows what happens.
The refs were so biased in favour of the Rangers that entire series. Some of the calls against the Canucks were beyond bad and screamed "Rigged". I remember watching and freaking out at my TV at every bad call. I yelled a lot. I truly think the only reason the loss for the Canucks wasn't worse, was that they were just that good at weathering the storm of biased crap coming from the refs and ultimately Bettman. There was just so much talk about it being 40 years since the Rangers had won the cup. Bettman (and everyone really), knew that it would be a massive deal for the NHL in USica for them to win that year, whereas it wouldn't resonate much further than BC if the Canucks won.
The rangers should have won in 5. They literally folded and beat themselves to let it go the distance. McClean stole game 1, but that was it. I guess you could say that it was the Devils series that made it difficult for the Rangers, but it literally should have never gone 7.
I was living in Vancouver at the time and although I grew up in EWdmonton as a teenager playing hockey and watching the Oilers in the rearly 80s I was so pulling for the Canucks. People do not understand how incredible Pavel was, only guy that blows by defensemen like he did is McDavid. Only one.
the rangers had 2.5% chance to win the top pick of the 2020 draft and they did to select Lafrenier. the previous year they were moved up to 2nd from 8th... if you compare the original 6 teams vs the rest of the league you see a huge difference in draft lottery results... they don't show the actual lottery draft, only the results. I really can't believe for a second that these owners are simply 'rolling the dice' when it comes to revenue growth
As a not, hockey player ( i mostly played basketball or soccer in real life) but like ice skating so i appreciate hockey players’ skills and know a little about hockey….. im really surprised this man still has a full set of teeth giving his track record. No one talks anout that, but that’s impressive for this old dude.
You did a great job talking about the dark history of The Canucks! I became a fan of The Canucks in 94', and I had no idea how much Messier screwed up the team, so you've done an excellent job talking about what happened behind the scenes. I've subscribed and I hope your channel grows! Cheers!
Please do a Canucks uniform history video. I feel Arthur Griffiths would have lots of insight on different looks/logos they might have gone with over the years.
I despise Messier but it's entirely possible everything he's saying is true. Whoever negotiated the contract with him probably didn't know about Maki's number (or thought it would be sorted out), then couldn't reach the Maki family, but told Messier it's all fine and it's all going to be sorted out. Remember - this was the biggest free agency signing in Canucks history. He was being treated like royalty with kid gloves (which is the real error in judgement). They probably made the situation sound less serious than he was. Someone might've asked "So is the number retired or not?" and someone else said "strictly speaking, no", and so "Then what's the problem?" What should Messier have done? Like you said - he had no relationship with Maki. Pat Quinn did. Quinn could've come up with something and asked Messier to participate. He didn't because they were scared of pissing Messier off. Unlike taking the Captaincy from Linden, where Messier should've absolutely known better (and was an arrogant primadonna to do so), the Maki number situation I don't blame on him.
@@TheBluelineHockey And it almost happened again last season with Ian Cole taking #28, canucks seriously need to have a track record for numbers taken out of circulation due to player deaths.
I remember watching all this happen. Watching the Canucks be completely destroyed by Messier, and Keenan. Unreal how that all went down. I Feel bad for the Canucks.
Red Wings fan here: I really enjoyed this and the one about Keenan. It was pretty interesting to learn some Canucks drama. Being it's another fanbase, I never heard about half this shit. Man, I loved when you guys had Linden and Bure. Trevor Linden is easily one of the most criminally underrated players in NHL history.
Markus Naslund cited Messier as his greatest influence in Vancouver - teaching him how to prepare, be a true professional and leader. Naslund became Captain after Messier left and became one of the greatest Canuck players ever.
McCaw was also extremely impatient with the team and basically gave in to Messiers’ demands without question. He deserves a lot of the blame for what transpired with the team under his ownership.
Next to McSorley, Messier was the worst hatchet man on the Oilers which is saying a lot because their roster was full of them. They all protected Wayne like their lives depended on it, and without it, unlike any other player in this history of the game, Wayne was gifted all the room he needed. In the words of Don Cherry, Wayne was “given a credit card”. Jabrones.
LOL. I detest them. i eexpected entertainment but they stressed me out instead. Don't like the wokeness in that outfit either.i quit buying Seas tickets in '94That said, Sure i wanna see a cup parade down robson, but i dunno if i will live to be 129
Some things were bad for Messier I don't think he should have taken that one dudes number from the rafters or taken the captaincy from Linden. As far as Messier dictating trades I think that is alot of rumor and innuendo. Unless you were in the room you don't know was talked about. I also don't think it was wrong to bring in Keenan. A guy that had helped coach the Rangers to a stanley cup. Turned out to be the wrong move in the long run but if the Canucks had won a cup with Keenan they'd all be singing his praises. As far as being mad about Messiers big contract and decline on ice performance. That is a fair criticism but they signed a player that was 36 most players start to drasticly decline in their late 30s. It's a big risk to sign a player at that age for alot of money the Canucks management knew this took the risk and it bit them. As far as Messier suing them the Canucks management signed the deal so be mad at the Canucks office for allowing such a stupid deal. Most of this seems like nit picking. They thought Messier would be their savior and win the Canucks a cup it failed and now they are looking for any excuse to blame it all on Messier. Maybe they should have used that 11 million to sign some young up and coming players instead of Messier.
Wasn’t Messier’s fault.. He was the best leader to ever play the game 👊🏽so good in fact they have an award named after him. The Mark Messier leadership award.. Wasn’t Messier’s fault the Canucks suck🫡
@ no team in their right mind was going to offer Messier 18 mill🤣just the Canucks. The cansucks have a history of bad free agent signings Mathieu Schneider Pavol Demetria Loui Erickson Jay Beagle 😂😂🤣🤣 Every player wants to stay as long as they can,but Vancouver wants to throw money away 😂🤣 So I don’t blame Messier for cashing out $$$ He knew what he was getting into…shitty team good money 💴
Almost 10k subscribers in less than a year as a new channel..that’s amazing. I like this channel…don’t see many NHL documentaries on here, especially ones that are interesting like these 👍🏼 🥅 Go Leafs Go 🇨🇦
That goalie Alfie michaud later on in his career went on to win the danish Championship 3 times in a row. Arguably one of the best goalies the league have ever seen.
I remember watching this play out. I lost all respect for Mark for a while. He destroyed a hockey team for his own EGO. he chased Trevor, Pavel Bure (1 of my favorite players ever) out and destroyed Trevor’s career. Later, Bure had to deal with him again on the Rangers. Winning the Stanley Cup in 1994 for the Rangers was incredible but it inflated his freakin ego to ridiculous levels! And Vancouver is a favorite team for me
Not much can take the stench off of a losing franchise. Even bringing in hockey royalty didn't help. The fans aren't used to seeing good players in a Canucks jersey.
Didling McLeans wife that's what happened. Simple. Few of the Canucks players were. Just like Kesler was didling Corey Schneider's fiancee and Schneider went bananas! He went to then GM Gillis 'either he goes, or I go"(trade) Schneids to Devils for ninth overall pick(Bo Horvat)
Chit it was THIRTY years ago . GET OVER IT. Like it or hate it. messier is one of the top 10 G.O.A.T. and himbers prove it. 6 cups and 2 w out number 99 and in '84, he manhandled the isles when we took team out is 5
This reminds me every time I hear something about how Messier was the best leader, best captain, best role model. I don't deny many of his achievements and overall impact he made, but there was also a significant negative side of his career due to his huge ego. I really do believe you will learn something similar about Yzerman or even Sakic. For me Stevie Y is definitely a better role model and leader despite maybe not having so many trophies as Messier.
Yes, & Coach John Tortorella, a Keenan-clone, was another one of the team’s infamous core-busters! Tortz demanded sacrifice & loyalty from his players, but would cut afternoon practices & leave it to his assistants, so he could get a less-conjested & more leisurely drive in to Point Roberts to dwell upon American soil. Tortorella’s MO, was also to dog-house, humiliate & publicly berate from his bench, the most mild-mannered of his players (Yannik Hansen). He chased anyone out of town who tried to use levity or humour to ease on-ice or locker room tension, especially if that someone had prior knowledge of Tortorella’s coaching style & habits with other teams (Dale Weiss former-NYR ). As an emerging player Dale Weiss was traded away to the Montreal Canadians & was an impactful addition to their play-off run that year. Must have been completely refreshing to get out from underneath Tortorella’s no-fun & bullies-r-us locker-room for him. Weiss’ teammates loved him, but I believe Tortorella punished him as someone who knew too much about the mind-bending tricks Tortorella would deploy to gain loyalty & full narcissistic-control over his players. He didn’t want the threat of things leaked or under-mined…even with humour. Tortorella’s philosophy seems to be that only the winning should be fun…& this philosophy has a short fuse when collective or selectively unwarranted abuse is involved. I’d love to sea an In-depth expose’ on Tortorella’s time as a Canucks Coach, that I believe was another owner lead core-busting move & failed experiment. Is he hated or unjustly maligned? Is he deeply loved or respectfully misunderstood? He unforgivable sat Longo in Vancouver’s only Heritage Classic game to date, after returning from the Olympics, …which is essentially a middle finger to the fans, which these high profile heritage games sre supposed to be for. He was rested & eager & nobody, even back up Eddy Lack wanted to see any one but him start in goal. What other record-breaking goalie should be assigned the name of heritage player? You could say tickets were even sold under false pretended & team lost that game. It was a core-busting humiliation. Luongo asking to be traded afterwards. A shameful coaching decision! Has Tortz evolved in ways a tyrant like Mike Keenan never could? Has his tenure & age mellowed him, at all? Enquiring minds want to know,…does he feel any coaching regrets to atone for?
@@JaredtheRabbit Yup! The last guy was Craig MacTavish until 1997. I used to love watching him play because it just looked so out-of-place to watch him skate around without a helmet.
As a lifelong Mess fan, this isn't a great look for The Captain. But there's a reason why people cant stand and make fun of Canuck fans. You're all whiners. That's all you guys do. Get over it and win something.
Why didn’t he win anything here then? He got everything he wanted from the start. Number 11, Mike Keenan, the C from Linden, Linden gone, McLean gone, Gelinas gone, Odjick gone, yet not a single playoff game with him here. Maybe Mess was the cancer after all.
As horribly egotistical and arrogant and dirty and inhuman Messier (always) was, it sounds like at least 1/2 this mess was due to HORRIBLE ownership conditions; the Orca Bay ownership didn't seem to give a shit about hockey, the team, or Vancouver for that matter. It was an investment all the way, to make money, and then get out. Worked out for them, so, I hope they're all so proud of themselves.
I can understand how a guy like Messier, already a hockey legend and future hall of famer with a large ego, would really want to wear number 11 his entire career. I could also see Pat Quinn being dishonest with Messier about it and telling him not to worry about it. If Messier had just taken it upon himself to contact the family in advance and get their blessing, that really would've helped his public image. But he's a jock - he didn't give a crap.
Messier is basically a goon. The fact that the leadership award is named after him is laughable. We should rename the Lady Byng to the Sean Avery award too right? 🤦♂️
goons were leaders back then. they would still be today if the league weren't "refined" to the point of boring. i was a Panther's fan from expansion. haven't watched a single game since 2016 and that was out of curiosity. apparently they won the cup and i didn't know until months later, and i live in canada.
To be honest, even the name Mark used to evoke intense hatred on my part - that was the name of my biggest personal nemesis of all time. I was long bitter with Messier (as well as my personal enemy). But I would give him the benefit of the doubt, if he came into a dressing room that was already divided, it's possible. Linden could only hold respect of more talented players like Bure for so long.
hey, there are over 2.5 million people living here 2500 of the chose to riot. So don't blame the rest of the fans for that. I blame CITY HALL which has forever been run by very incompetent people,. They never had the forsight to prepare for what happened, but even i knew this would likely happen if we lost
We got jobbed by the referees. jobbed by Bettman, and jobbed by injuries. ten of our top players were either susp or out with inj' and this is typical of the Canucks ever since i can remebeer
We went to a game at Rogers place and my 10-year-old daughter really just wanted to meet Mark Messier and get his autograph. They were playing the LA Kings . Luc Robitaille actually stopped before he got on the bus and signed an autograph for her. Meanwhile, Mark Messier almost ran us over leaving the parkade to head to Point Roberts, what an asshole. She still hates him.
here are some players we could have signed as ufa. Ron Francis, Adam oates, mike Gartner, and mark Recchi was just 230 miles up for pike in Kamloops, for two drafts.. and we could have taken him instead of Rob Woodward in 1988. We didn't sign joel Otto because he wanted like 180g a year. So Calgary got him and won a cup. Doug Gilmour was more than once, available to us.. so cry me a river, We are blind on draft day. . Quinn was a great guy and everyone loved him, but he was the worst drafter ihn team history and we passed on matt Tkachuk and too a flop named jolevi. if i live to be 100,. i doubt we will ever win the Cup. end of rant. The canucks are supposed to be a source of entertainment, but instead they are big time stressors
71games/88pts vs actual 71games/84pts.... 4pts means he was "gassing himself up" and "the entire book should be recalled"? why is this such a big deal? what am i missing?
Thank you for deciding to do this one after all. Since I'm a Blackhawks fan, wasn't really informed on the negative side of his career.
What a piece of work that guy was in Vancouver.
Hey listen this is simply one cry baby's menstral take on things...there are one billion Messier fans.
@user-nq3uv5ol7s yeah, but I knew that side of the story already.
Doesn't refute a single point, calls him derogatory names, egregiously over exaggerates number of Messier fans....
This guy's crops are safe as hell with all the Strawman he has
Messier is a piece of shit human. Good player, bad person.
Edit- OK, I didn't know about the Weekes scenario. Messier gained a bit of respect for that
@@user-nq3uv5ol7s reading your posts, it's seems pretty clear who's doing the crying. And, it's spelled menstrual, btw, which means monthly. So, you're saying this video is the creator's monthly take?
@@BurtTurbo does your manhood get excited when you can correct someone's spelling or typo for the whole wide world to see? Because yes everyone important to you is watching your every comment and move. My god your parents must be proud.
Worse thing the Canucks did that year they signed Messier Hired Mike Keenan and traded Trevor Linden How can you possibly screw up so many times in one year
Thats 3 things, although Canucks fans are known to suck at math...
@@cgrooney9945 Oil fan LMAO
The Linden trade was super. We got Bertuzzi who was twice the player and 5 years younger. 6-4. 240, Linden 200 at 6-4, not near as scary, and Bertuzzi scored much higher than Trevor
Mess came with Keenan and they needed the old leader out. What dark days for the Canucks. And to think, if ownership wasn't so impatient, they would have had Gretzky centering Bure and Mogilny!
Ownership, that's how
If Messier actually fucking cared, he would've swapped his number.. like an adult.
I think he was a little high on his own success after so many cups. Ego got way to large
If they wanted Maki's number retired, the organization should've done so.
Messier played pool. Loafed around and gambled. No wonder he didn’t last here. Dirty player
@@samstone22744 I remember it being 'unofficially retired' by the equipment manager and players. Kind of a tradition thing handed down through the ages to show respect for Maki.
@@samstone22744 It’s back retired on the concourse. Messier was Mess. Drunkard too
Great video. Came here after watching the Game 7 Amazon series on Canucks Rangers 94. Tough to watch even now. So much respect for Linden and the 94 Canucks team.
I have a lot of respect for Linden, I really do, but in the end Messier won the Cup.
... the fashion in which he won it, is what fans don't like. Messier played ugly and dirty, and that won him the Cup. Linden played hard with heart and honour, though it didn't win him a cup, he will always be revered as Vancouver's Golden Son... whereas Messier will probably be never welcomed in Van ever again.
Respect for Losers 😂
@@CoconutsGlownoone cares about linden minus nucks fans 😂😂😂 mark is a legend! 6 cups not a bust like every single nucks player in history..
Who scored the 1994 Stanley Cup winning goal?
MARK MESSIER!
That handwritten contract stated he would live in Washington state. Obviously to pay lower taxes too.
Great video! Those were some dark days.
Nothing wrong in that
Not a biggie. it takes an extra 3 mins to get from Boundary Bay OR Blaine to the rink
I've always known bits and pieces of mark messier's time in Vancouver, but there's never been anything documented online as comprehensively as this video. Job well done. Thanks
messier was 37 y.o. when he was here. i blame mcCaws and Quinn for caving in to them
Pissing off Gretzky was a masterclass in negotiations
After watching messiers elbow to the head compilation it has very much changed my view of him…I was young during those times and missed all this as a kid
It's easy to take things out of context. Back in the old days of hockey the refs weren't as strict with penalties. you'd see alot more slashs, crosscheck, highsticks, trips not getting called. Most star players would get brutalized with illegal attacks. Messier as a star player took his share of beatings and sometimes on occasion he would throw a elbow or get in a fight. You have to show teams that if they take liberties with you you are going to fight back, or you'll end up like Lemieux and Orr your career cut short.
@@KadeRiley-hq8gc You can´t take out of context that Messier was a dirty player, he just didn´t get normal treatment because he was a star. And he wasn´t stud like Wendel Clark, Messier was opportunist. He would vhuck any small player any day without remorse, but he rarely stood up against tougher (or even tough) opponent. All of his NHL career he had tough guys who protected him.
Glad those are out there. Messier is perhaps the dirtiest star player of my entire lifetime. That anyone pays him for his mushmouth opinions on hockey is an embarrassment to all real fans.
@@tulpatonmopo you know shit,Messier was left alone because he would kick ass if he had to.He protected himself,if any player didn’t like getting elbowed they could do something about it if they dared.
Yeah Messi seems like a prick now
I’m not a Canucks fan but the fact that the NHL’s leadership award is named after Mark Messier is so absurd.
Messier is one of the most vicious players ever.
And yes I'm a big ranger's fan and Mark Messier was the difference maker for that 1 Stanley cup they got in 94.
Anyone who mentions his name with the likes of Sakic, Yzerman or Sid are absolute idiots
Trevor Linden was a class player. I'm betting Pat Quinn hated doing all this as well. His hands were tied by ownership. Especially the number.
Pat didn't do the trade
@@glenw-xm5zf I didn't say he did. I was talking about the jersey number and taking the C away from him.
he should have refused
@glenw-xm5zf and lose his job?
I searched for 'mark messier canucks highlights' and this is the first video that came up. It absolutely deserves to be that way. Thank you for a great documentary 🙏
I legit remember living through this in real time.
Keenan would get in interviews bashing Linden for his gameplay but the rest of the team kept backing him up and in many cases taking some blame for themselves.
Linden was more respected by his teammates than his team.
They were starting to even rebel against Keenan and that is why he traded Linden and anyone remotely connecting to him in any way contrast to Keenan's authority.
The Canucks simply because a team with no heart and no ambition to succeed for management and did not care anymore.
ALL because of Messier's ego.
"Linden was more respected by his teammates than his team"
wat
@@yeon723 The players cared more for him than the team did.
Its not hard to grasp.
@@yeon723 Team as in management
@@sighsgkj Now that makes sense.
If Messier realized it was potentially an issue to wear #11, he could have just changed on his own. That’s what Ian Cole did when he found out #28 was last worn by Luc Bourdon.
Messier is not going to change number 11, its like asking Gretzky or Bobby Orr to change theirs...moron
just tell me why he needs to change? the jersey was not retired.
@@user-nq3uv5ol7s It's not that he needed to change number, it's that they didn't even wait to talk to the family. He didn't care. That's the issue. The team and city had been showing respect for a player who died of brain cancer, and Mark Messier didn't care about getting his family's blessing. So, sure, he was allowed to take the number, but that doesn't mean he's not a heartless douchebag.
@@user-nq3uv5ol7s He didn't HAVE to, but as mentioned in the video, if he was the leader he was believed to be, why wouldn't he out of RESPECT. He obviously understands what it means to earn it. Sounds like an ego problem.
Tough to imagine Ian Cole not #28
“Messier only scored 84 points in 71 game” ik he’s supposed to be depicted as the villain but 88 or 84 points is still impressive, give credit where credit is due🤷🏾♂️
Messier was a floater when he was in Vancouver . He didnt forecheck just hung around center waiting for a pass. Worst invesment the Nucks ever made. Keenan and Messier ruined a team that took a while to be good again.
I totally blame ownership 100 %
I love Messier and I agree with that. Mess did things his way, insisting Keenan come is just one example. And Keenan didn't work for that team, he ruined it
Thats a fair statement.
The biggest ego in NHL history. Nobody loves Messier like Messier does.
oh my god you sound like such a mommas boy, so pathetic
Edmonton loves this guy. he was 37 when he was here. Terrible decision. i think Quinn was pressured
@@glenw-xm5zfnew York also loves him
@@thecoolguynamedal i am quite certain they do. All we see are the wierdos. NY city and state go RED. From Rochester to Staten island
His half hour HOF induction speech of self importance was sickening, No humility at all......
Thanks for this expose. I appreciate the time and effort. Well done.
As I was watching this, a curious thought crossed my mind when the video was discussing Mark's hit on Linden after Linden got 'cheap-shotted' by Graves in Game 6 of the SC Finals.
Was there a lot of hate that was built between the Rangers and Canucks in that Stanley Cup Final?
It almost seemed like Mark was like someone from the Mafia (example only). In that the Canucks almost upset the Rangers in that Final and it almost seemed like they were not only going to rub it into the Canucks' skin when they won the cup but they were going to make Vancouver pay for making the Rangers work so hard to win it. Just the way the whole Messier-in-Vancouver-stint unfolded, it almost seemed like Mark was committed to completely make Vancouver pay. Like Mark was doing a hit on the Canucks such that the team would be decimated to the point that they wouldn't be going back to the Finals anytime soon after he finished his time with Vancouver. I know that's not the truth of what really happened...but just by what the organization endured during Mark's time in Vancouver, it almost seemed that way. Do you see what I mean?
I didnt know about these things,
but now i also hate Messier!
because some idiot decides to post a video??
This guys an idiot! obviously nuck shill...
The guy who made this video speaks like a woman. Messier is one of the greatest to ever play the game. He fought, he protected his teammates fighting tough guys like Stephen's and Daneyko, he enforced, is a hall of fame offensive and defensive talent
And most of all is the best team leader ever to lace them up. He didn't fit in Vancouver and ownership never should have allowed his demand to bring in Keenan.
They destroyed the Canucks who were not a team that worked well with disciplinarians. That's an honest statement
But saying you "hate Messier" based off this terrible video?
Why not say you hate Gordie Howe as well Scott Steven's, Cam Neely, Tkachuk and Trottier. Except in addition to those greats he was the greatest
There's a reason he won so many cups
@thegadflygang5381 because of what he did in Vancouver. Did you even watch the video?
Been a Canucks fan for decades. Messier was a mistake. A money hungry mistake. Thank goodness we can move on. Fine line between athleticism and intelligence.
Yes busy counting all of your cups are you? Messier left becuase the Canucks franchise is a joke, just a bunch of winers that will never win a cup.
@@user-nq3uv5ol7s actually, he left because the Canucks declined the fourth and fifth year options on his contract. You'd know that if you'd actually watched the video and not come on here just to talk trash while having Messier's c**k down your throat.
@@user-nq3uv5ol7sNews Flash for you bud Canada haven't won shit since 93 especially your precious Coilers choking game 7 this past Finals enforces that narrative.
@@user-nq3uv5ol7s "Grate" spelling there Dr. Einstein.
Yea Canucks fans are the models of moving on, as this video clearly demonstrates 🙄
"SAVED BY RICHTER" is the most iconic canucks call of all time. Your distain for one of the best players of all time throughout the video loses you credibility. Calling him a sore loser and a gossip girl is wild, and I'm not a fan of Messier or any team he's played for.
its ok to not like a player, and not respect somebody, but he also never said he does not respect him,
i can say i don't like Gretzky thats not a bad thing. he's allowed to have his own opinion
@ and I didn’t say anything about anyone saying saying about not respecting Messier..? I also didn’t mentioning anything about him not liking Messier, rather I mentioned his unjustified comments on Messier. You just rambled about something no one said
Messier is all of those things. I’m not a Canucks fan, I just know Messier is a vile piece of shit.
@@bc1173 ok i get your point(not trying to start an argument) but his unjustified comments were reasonably based. how's it wild to call him a sore loser?
@ because there’s no evidence of him being a sore loser..?
There was no way messier and his ego would allow him to wear any number besides #11. That’s why the handwritten contract specifically stated #11. Considering no one had that number on the roster, why make it a point to list in the contract Unless he demanded the number.
Agree. I didn't believe that until I saw the handwritten contract draft the first time. Not being in the room we don't know if Messier had been told "don't worry about it we will address Maki." Knowing hockey as much as he should have, you don't take the number. You score a ton of cache with fans: "I switched from #11 to respect Maki and the tradition of my new team, I will choose #XX as my way of turning to a new era of Canucks hockey." Its that simple. He could have played the 3 years the same way with the same stats and results but the spin would be "Messier played hurt and wanted to help the team" and other positive spin. He pre-burnt that bridge to feed his ego all over a jersey #.
The hit on Linden was disgusting. The wearing number 11 thing is dumb though. Considering how tough hockey players are, they sure whine a lot about things that are not in the rules.
The fact that the end of this video got such little time compared to the rest is unreal. The Canucks were done when he came, and that Trevor Lindon trade helped bring in a decade plus of exciting hockey to Vancouver. Mess knows what it takes to win and he saw a rebuild was required. Not an easy thing with feelings on the line. He won with and without Gretz, twice. Canucks didn't have it anymore. Say what you will but for those that watched hockey back in the 90s, it was full on war out there. People also forgot that Bure tried to rearrange a face in Game 3. It was a nasty series on both sides. Sure it is despicable to look at today but it truly was a different game. Don't forget that in 1972 Canada won by breaking a Russian's ankle on purpose that Canadians still celebrate to this day. I do agree he shouldn't have gone to Vancouver, but if he hadn't, those changes would never have been made and that Canuck team would have led a much different course.
Well said.
It wasn't a good fit for Messier to come to Vancouver but John McCaw was blind to it all. His heart was and is always in New York.
Messier was like a high school bully - cheap shots, elbows and goals.
Unless someone lik Gino was on the ice.he is imo the most under rated Canuck of all time. capable of potting 25 goals, maybe 30. and the fans LOVED this guy. Got the best of Dave Brown but got little ice time
As a lifelong Canucks fan, I never liked Messier before he came to Vancouver as he looked identical to my neighbor Nate Hilman who I absolutely hated. He was and still is a puke NH). But I also knew Messier was way past his prime and that just because he was "Mr. Captain" it wouldn't translate to winning. I wasn't aware at the time about who would wear the "C" and what an issue it would be with Linden, but in hindsite, what a mess! You often see sports management and ownership bringing in big names to teams when they are past their prime. Pujols to the Angels, Chris Paul to the Warriors or even when Steve Nash and Dwight Howard went to the Lakers to join Kobe. Very rarely does it work.
Brett Favre to the NYJets (and the Vikings), who are seeing deja vu with Aaron Rogers. Ron Duguay to the Detroit Red Wings. Wayne Gretzky to the NYRangers.
These last two uploads about Canucks history/controversy were great! Really liking the way you put together this style of content so I'm subbing to the channel. Keep it up!
I've been binge watching these videos 👍
The leadership award being named after Messier is bs. Should be named the Jean Beliveau award. Messier couldn't hold a candle to Big Jean in terms of leadership, winning, and especially CLASS.
Without Messier, The Rangers would be cupless in 84 years, and Vancouver would have won their first.
Mark Messier having a leadership award is like Jonathan Toews being a top 100 player of all time.
@@TranslatedAssumption he led the Oilers to their first Stanley Cup, by being physial and fast against a hard working tough team. he led the Oilers to cup number five. Kurri and Gretzky were long gon.e he led the Rangers to their first cup in 54 years. so like it or not; he is a leader. and also not my favourite person. but it is what it is
I remember telling my buddies as we watched the game 6 Van/Nyr game - it’s a 4-1 game with 40 seconds left. Why is Lindon on ice right now? Are they asking the Rangers to take a run at him? Sure enough….it happens
Well he is 6 ft 4 and 205. He needs to smash someone. ijnstead he is lame. he could give mess a good go. maybe lose but do some damage.Remember 1982/ here's Grant Mulvey taking liberties with out players and in steps Ron Delorme. They go. Delorme beats yhim like a used punching bag. Canucks take the series, and go on to their first SCF. Trevor did not have that attitude. and it hurt him. what made me more sick was Brat marchand slapping henrik in the face. henrik did nothing,,.. 6-1 and just under 200. Chicken chit. neither did anyone else on that team gp after marchand. . so i don't much like the trend to soft players and soft teams
I’m a diehard Rangers Fan & we Love Messier, but I also really respect Linden. Both of those Game 7 Goals were nasty. Keenan did us dirty too..
Glad you ended up making this vid!
Something I don't see talked about often: the Mark Messier Leadership award is literally chosen by Mark Messier. I'd always assumed it was like the other NHL awards.
Was hoping someone brought this up. The unintentional comedy of that award is through the roof
Waw fantastic video man! I am a big hockey fan who grew up in the 90's,but I had no idea that this was happening...
Vancouver’s dislike of Messier is seemingly everlasting similar to New York’s hatred of Denis Potvin.
manhattan or uniondale??
That 94 series was both the greatest I ever watched and the one that soured me in the 90s on the NHL. I felt like the league clearly favoured the Rangers. It wasn't just the Graves or the Messier cheap shots that the league did nothing about. It was giving Pavel Bure the game for high sticking and then when another Ranger did the same thing the next game, I can't remember if it was Messier or Beukeboom, they got 4 minutes and were allowed to stay in the game. Maybe the Rangers win anyway. But my hatred for the people running the league began there. I sensed and still to this day sense even less interest by the NHL to have a fairly run league. Everyone uses the former Arizona Coyotes as an example of how the NHL ISN'T rigging games. But that's not what I mean. Once you get into the playoffs, it's easy to manipulate the outcome of games. If Messier was suspended for game 7, as he should have been, who knows what happens.
The refs were so biased in favour of the Rangers that entire series. Some of the calls against the Canucks were beyond bad and screamed "Rigged". I remember watching and freaking out at my TV at every bad call. I yelled a lot.
I truly think the only reason the loss for the Canucks wasn't worse, was that they were just that good at weathering the storm of biased crap coming from the refs and ultimately Bettman. There was just so much talk about it being 40 years since the Rangers had won the cup. Bettman (and everyone really), knew that it would be a massive deal for the NHL in USica for them to win that year, whereas it wouldn't resonate much further than BC if the Canucks won.
I fully agree
The rangers should have won in 5. They literally folded and beat themselves to let it go the distance. McClean stole game 1, but that was it. I guess you could say that it was the Devils series that made it difficult for the Rangers, but it literally should have never gone 7.
I was living in Vancouver at the time and although I grew up in EWdmonton as a teenager playing hockey and watching the Oilers in the rearly 80s I was so pulling for the Canucks. People do not understand how incredible Pavel was, only guy that blows by defensemen like he did is McDavid. Only one.
the rangers had 2.5% chance to win the top pick of the 2020 draft and they did to select Lafrenier. the previous year they were moved up to 2nd from 8th... if you compare the original 6 teams vs the rest of the league you see a huge difference in draft lottery results... they don't show the actual lottery draft, only the results. I really can't believe for a second that these owners are simply 'rolling the dice' when it comes to revenue growth
As a not, hockey player ( i mostly played basketball or soccer in real life) but like ice skating so i appreciate hockey players’ skills and know a little about hockey….. im really surprised this man still has a full set of teeth giving his track record. No one talks anout that, but that’s impressive for this old dude.
I usually settle for a like but you earned a subscription from the get-go, great video!
Awesome! Thank you!
So I'm not a Canucks fan but your channel made me realize i like other teams history.
"This is the type of stuff you should go to prison for but it was the 80's."
- best quote ever
14:32 I like that the implication here is that Linden was a valuable asset who could get good return value, whereas Messier was not.
LIndEN GOT US Bertuzzi and mcCabe, and Bert was a much bettr player.
You did a great job talking about the dark history of The Canucks! I became a fan of The Canucks in 94', and I had no idea how much Messier screwed up the team, so you've done an excellent job talking about what happened behind the scenes. I've subscribed and I hope your channel grows! Cheers!
Please do a Canucks uniform history video. I feel Arthur Griffiths would have lots of insight on different looks/logos they might have gone with over the years.
Do a video on Kevin Weeks now. Now you got me curious if he was like this everywhere he played.
Yes!!! The infamous robbery incident
That took some moxy to post .. but you are right
Excellent video, you should consider a vid on how we almost had Gretzky
The most recent winner of the Mark Messier Leadership Award: Jacob Trouba. Nuff said.
Pure comedy
I despise Messier but it's entirely possible everything he's saying is true. Whoever negotiated the contract with him probably didn't know about Maki's number (or thought it would be sorted out), then couldn't reach the Maki family, but told Messier it's all fine and it's all going to be sorted out.
Remember - this was the biggest free agency signing in Canucks history. He was being treated like royalty with kid gloves (which is the real error in judgement). They probably made the situation sound less serious than he was. Someone might've asked "So is the number retired or not?" and someone else said "strictly speaking, no", and so "Then what's the problem?"
What should Messier have done? Like you said - he had no relationship with Maki. Pat Quinn did. Quinn could've come up with something and asked Messier to participate. He didn't because they were scared of pissing Messier off.
Unlike taking the Captaincy from Linden, where Messier should've absolutely known better (and was an arrogant primadonna to do so), the Maki number situation I don't blame on him.
Canucks deserve more of the blame for the Maki situation
@@TheBluelineHockey And it almost happened again last season with Ian Cole taking #28, canucks seriously need to have a track record for numbers taken out of circulation due to player deaths.
I remember watching all this happen. Watching the Canucks be completely destroyed by Messier, and Keenan. Unreal how that all went down. I Feel bad for the Canucks.
Love mess!
"Memo to Messier, JUST SHUT UP" lmao!!!!
Red Wings fan here: I really enjoyed this and the one about Keenan. It was pretty interesting to learn some Canucks drama. Being it's another fanbase, I never heard about half this shit. Man, I loved when you guys had Linden and Bure. Trevor Linden is easily one of the most criminally underrated players in NHL history.
I like how the good things he did was go golfing with ohlund once, what a leader
😂😂😂
Markus Naslund cited Messier as his greatest influence in Vancouver - teaching him how to prepare, be a true professional and leader. Naslund became Captain after Messier left and became one of the greatest Canuck players ever.
dont care. Messier is really dislikeable and was clearly extremely selfish and prideful.
Sorry Messier is a doucebag.
Who names a trophy after himself and then declares himself the sole determinant of who receives it?
Ironic that it's for leadership.
McCaw was also extremely impatient with the team and basically gave in to Messiers’ demands without question. He deserves a lot of the blame for what transpired with the team under his ownership.
Next to McSorley, Messier was the worst hatchet man on the Oilers which is saying a lot because their roster was full of them. They all protected Wayne like their lives depended on it, and without it, unlike any other player in this history of the game, Wayne was gifted all the room he needed. In the words of Don Cherry, Wayne was “given a credit card”. Jabrones.
Something tells me you’re a Vancouver fan
LOL. I detest them. i eexpected entertainment but they stressed me out instead. Don't like the wokeness in that outfit either.i quit buying Seas tickets in '94That said, Sure i wanna see a cup parade down robson, but i dunno if i will live to be 129
Some things were bad for Messier I don't think he should have taken that one dudes number from the rafters or taken the captaincy from Linden. As far as Messier dictating trades I think that is alot of rumor and innuendo. Unless you were in the room you don't know was talked about. I also don't think it was wrong to bring in Keenan. A guy that had helped coach the Rangers to a stanley cup. Turned out to be the wrong move in the long run but if the Canucks had won a cup with Keenan they'd all be singing his praises. As far as being mad about Messiers big contract and decline on ice performance. That is a fair criticism but they signed a player that was 36 most players start to drasticly decline in their late 30s. It's a big risk to sign a player at that age for alot of money the Canucks management knew this took the risk and it bit them. As far as Messier suing them the Canucks management signed the deal so be mad at the Canucks office for allowing such a stupid deal. Most of this seems like nit picking. They thought Messier would be their savior and win the Canucks a cup it failed and now they are looking for any excuse to blame it all on Messier. Maybe they should have used that 11 million to sign some young up and coming players instead of Messier.
Absolutely correct!
Mark messier is no hero.
he is in new York, and Edmonton. One of the G.O.A.T. Even if he is flawed
Wasn’t Messier’s fault..
He was the best leader to ever play the game 👊🏽so good in fact they have an award named after him.
The Mark Messier leadership award..
Wasn’t Messier’s fault the Canucks suck🫡
kinda is.......Messier should've known canucks wasn't in cup chase window, but he wanted the money anyways
@ no team in their right mind was going to offer Messier 18 mill🤣just the Canucks.
The cansucks have a history of bad free agent signings
Mathieu Schneider
Pavol Demetria
Loui Erickson
Jay Beagle
😂😂🤣🤣
Every player wants to stay as long as they can,but Vancouver wants to throw money away 😂🤣
So I don’t blame Messier for cashing out $$$
He knew what he was getting into…shitty team good money 💴
Almost 10k subscribers in less than a year as a new channel..that’s amazing. I like this channel…don’t see many NHL documentaries on here, especially ones that are interesting like these 👍🏼 🥅
Go Leafs Go 🇨🇦
As a Philly fan I have no hatred for the Rangers but I was always rooting for the Canucks because of Bure as a young player!
That goalie Alfie michaud later on in his career went on to win the danish Championship 3 times in a row. Arguably one of the best goalies the league have ever seen.
Alfie michaud starting goalie for last hockey title Maine won.
I remember watching this play out. I lost all respect for Mark for a while. He destroyed a hockey team for his own EGO. he chased Trevor, Pavel Bure (1 of my favorite players ever) out and destroyed Trevor’s career. Later, Bure had to deal with him again on the Rangers. Winning the Stanley Cup in 1994 for the Rangers was incredible but it inflated his freakin ego to ridiculous levels! And Vancouver is a favorite team for me
Not much can take the stench off of a losing franchise. Even bringing in hockey royalty didn't help. The fans aren't used to seeing good players in a Canucks jersey.
Messier wasn’t a good player at this point of his career his knees were basically shot from 98 till he retired
You made it!! Thanks, mate!!!
You heard our cries and made this video...
I am a man of the people
@@TheBluelineHockey a man really?
All Vancouver fans do is cry 😂😂😂😂
Great video man. Have a sub, you deserve it✌️
Need a book or video on the Jeff Brown Kirk Mclean incident and what exactly happened ?
I’m not touching that lol
@TheBluelineHockey 🤣🍻
Didling McLeans wife that's what happened. Simple. Few of the Canucks players were. Just like Kesler was didling Corey Schneider's fiancee and Schneider went bananas! He went to then GM Gillis 'either he goes, or I go"(trade) Schneids to Devils for ninth overall pick(Bo Horvat)
Please.. NO
i don't think anyone really knows, for sure. i heard 3 different plays' names .. and kirk was never the same after Breaking up with leslie
Great vid. I subbed...very independent and eye opening. It's sad vancouver will never see a cup only rebuild that's all they ever do.
Chit it was THIRTY years ago . GET OVER IT. Like it or hate it. messier is one of the top 10 G.O.A.T. and himbers prove it. 6 cups and 2 w out number 99 and in '84, he manhandled the isles when we took team out is 5
This reminds me every time I hear something about how Messier was the best leader, best captain, best role model. I don't deny many of his achievements and overall impact he made, but there was also a significant negative side of his career due to his huge ego. I really do believe you will learn something similar about Yzerman or even Sakic. For me Stevie Y is definitely a better role model and leader despite maybe not having so many trophies as Messier.
If you love him, he's The Messiah. If you hate him, he's a Mess
Roberto Luongo was probably their worst captain
If they had brains, they would not pick a G.T. for Captain
Explain
Canucks fans hating Messier makes me love him so much more, lol. This is the funniest video on the tube!
One thing we got that Edm doesn't have. it's Dec 24th and it is PLus 20 this afternoon. Chew on that for a bit. LOl merry Christmas
Thank you for this video! Could you do one for Bure and Mogilny?
You should do a video about Point Roberts, WA where a lot of Americans on the Canucks team and staff end up living. Great town.
Yes, & Coach John Tortorella, a Keenan-clone, was another one of the team’s infamous core-busters! Tortz demanded sacrifice & loyalty from his players, but would cut afternoon practices & leave it to his assistants, so he could get a less-conjested & more leisurely drive in to Point Roberts to dwell upon American soil. Tortorella’s MO, was also to dog-house, humiliate & publicly berate from his bench, the most mild-mannered of his players (Yannik Hansen). He chased anyone out of town who tried to use levity or humour to ease on-ice or locker room tension, especially if that someone had prior knowledge of Tortorella’s coaching style & habits with other teams (Dale Weiss former-NYR ). As an emerging player Dale Weiss was traded away to the Montreal Canadians & was an impactful addition to their play-off run that year. Must have been completely refreshing to get out from underneath Tortorella’s no-fun & bullies-r-us locker-room for him. Weiss’ teammates loved him, but I believe Tortorella punished him as someone who knew too much about the mind-bending tricks Tortorella would deploy to gain loyalty & full narcissistic-control over his players. He didn’t want the threat of things leaked or under-mined…even with humour.
Tortorella’s philosophy seems to be that only the winning should be fun…& this philosophy has a short fuse when collective or selectively unwarranted abuse is involved.
I’d love to sea an
In-depth expose’ on Tortorella’s time as a Canucks Coach, that I believe was another owner lead core-busting move & failed experiment. Is he hated or unjustly maligned? Is he deeply loved or respectfully misunderstood? He unforgivable sat Longo in Vancouver’s only Heritage Classic game to date, after returning from the Olympics, …which is essentially a middle finger to the fans, which these high profile heritage games sre supposed to be for. He was rested & eager & nobody, even back up Eddy Lack wanted to see any one but him start in goal. What other record-breaking goalie should be assigned the name of heritage player? You could say tickets were even sold under false pretended & team lost that game. It was a core-busting humiliation. Luongo asking to be traded afterwards. A shameful coaching decision! Has Tortz evolved in ways a tyrant like Mike Keenan never could? Has his tenure & age mellowed him, at all? Enquiring minds want to know,…does he feel any coaching regrets to atone for?
Wearing a helmet was not optional in 1984. In 1979, years before the Gradin incident, new players entering the league were required to wear helmets.
Thanks for this, I will add an editor’s note
@@TheBluelineHockey No problem. However, players that already weren’t wearing helmets beforehand could still do so by way of being grandfathered in.
@@JaredtheRabbit Yup! The last guy was Craig MacTavish until 1997. I used to love watching him play because it just looked so out-of-place to watch him skate around without a helmet.
Also, there was a time when the NHL did allow players the option to play without a helmet. That took place in the 1992-93 & 1993-94 seasons.
As a lifelong Mess fan, this isn't a great look for The Captain. But there's a reason why people cant stand and make fun of Canuck fans. You're all whiners. That's all you guys do. Get over it and win something.
He’s egotistical and is full of excuses.
Why didn’t he win anything here then? He got everything he wanted from the start. Number 11, Mike Keenan, the C from Linden, Linden gone, McLean gone, Gelinas gone, Odjick gone, yet not a single playoff game with him here. Maybe Mess was the cancer after all.
"Out of the ashes rose a Pheonix" lol a Pheonix without a Stanley Cup? sure there.....
After the Mike Keenan video, I been waited for this.
Messier sounds like the kind of guy that would use his own farts as a cologne because he loves the smell.
Mark Messier - 2nd All-time NHL Playoff Points only behind Wayne Gretzky.
First all-time goon ahead of Gordie Howe
henrik and Daniel; No cup. Messier and anderson. many cups
Did nothing in Vancouver.
Vancouver Canucks - ZERO Stanley Cups in 55 years!
Tell us something we don't know
Soulless cities, soulless teams.
@@eddieoiler2958 I just love how these childish Canuck fans try to blame Messier for having a shit team. Typical weenuks fans
So you agree Messier failed to deliver in Vancouver?
@ Deliver what exactly?was he supposed too win the cup by himself 🤣
As horribly egotistical and arrogant and dirty and inhuman Messier (always) was, it sounds like at least 1/2 this mess was due to HORRIBLE ownership conditions; the Orca Bay ownership didn't seem to give a shit about hockey, the team, or Vancouver for that matter. It was an investment all the way, to make money, and then get out. Worked out for them, so, I hope they're all so proud of themselves.
it wasn't that big a thing with me, but i h*ted the mcCaws
I can understand how a guy like Messier, already a hockey legend and future hall of famer with a large ego, would really want to wear number 11 his entire career. I could also see Pat Quinn being dishonest with Messier about it and telling him not to worry about it. If Messier had just taken it upon himself to contact the family in advance and get their blessing, that really would've helped his public image. But he's a jock - he didn't give a crap.
Messier is basically a goon. The fact that the leadership award is named after him is laughable. We should rename the Lady Byng to the Sean Avery award too right? 🤦♂️
goons were leaders back then. they would still be today if the league weren't "refined" to the point of boring. i was a Panther's fan from expansion. haven't watched a single game since 2016 and that was out of curiosity. apparently they won the cup and i didn't know until months later, and i live in canada.
Ask Naslund if he was worst.
To be honest, even the name Mark used to evoke intense hatred on my part - that was the name of my biggest personal nemesis of all time. I was long bitter with Messier (as well as my personal enemy). But I would give him the benefit of the doubt, if he came into a dressing room that was already divided, it's possible. Linden could only hold respect of more talented players like Bure for so long.
I didn't know about this. I agree Mark should have told about options.
Canucks still bitter about 94 lol. Then they lost to the Bruins and burned down Vancouver.
Gary Betman has destroyed the NHL Lol.
hey, there are over 2.5 million people living here 2500 of the chose to riot. So don't blame the rest of the fans for that. I blame CITY HALL which has forever been run by very incompetent people,. They never had the forsight to prepare for what happened, but even i knew this would likely happen if we lost
We got jobbed by the referees. jobbed by Bettman, and jobbed by injuries. ten of our top players were either susp or out with inj' and this is typical of the Canucks ever since i can remebeer
This is the kind of story where your just glad everybody lost.
We went to a game at Rogers place and my 10-year-old daughter really just wanted to meet Mark Messier and get his autograph. They were playing the LA Kings . Luc Robitaille actually stopped before he got on the bus and signed an autograph for her. Meanwhile, Mark Messier almost ran us over leaving the parkade to head to Point Roberts, what an asshole. She still hates him.
Totally agree. You bring Mark Messier in you risk breaking the Canucks tradition of never winning a Cup. Glad they dodged that bullet in time
here are some players we could have signed as ufa. Ron Francis, Adam oates, mike Gartner, and mark Recchi was just 230 miles up for pike in Kamloops, for two drafts.. and we could have taken him instead of Rob Woodward in 1988. We didn't sign joel Otto because he wanted like 180g a year. So Calgary got him and won a cup. Doug Gilmour was more than once, available to us.. so cry me a river, We are blind on draft day. . Quinn was a great guy and everyone loved him, but he was the worst drafter ihn team history
and we passed on matt Tkachuk and too a flop named jolevi. if i live to be 100,. i doubt we will ever win the Cup. end of rant. The canucks are supposed to be a source of entertainment, but instead they are big time stressors
Keanan was the problem not Messier
Keenan was a different problem
Interesting comments Ive read about Maki’s number 11. Have the Canucks officially retired it yet?
IMO John McCaw is as much to blame as Messier.
Never liked messier. Always dirty with his elbows and his stick.
Probably the worst part of his career also.... his Greatest regret pulling that horrendous looking sweater on
71games/88pts vs actual 71games/84pts.... 4pts means he was "gassing himself up" and "the entire book should be recalled"? why is this such a big deal? what am i missing?
Pathetic franchise. Only a tier better than the Laughs.
Buffalo is much worse
@@glenw-xm5zf I'd agree with that.
Honourable mention to the Caps and the Cats, but both have one recent Cup, the only ones in their history.