Do not buy an EV without watching this reality check | Auto Expert John Cadogan
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Hey John, here in Seattle streets had most potholes, cracks everywhere, kinda unavoidable ….riding in my friend’s new Tesla I realized it’s aggravating to my neck hernias now I have to wear brace to buffer painful impacts. …So can this mess up its 7kbatteries bed to damaged it faster¿ or am I just being paranoid about this ¿
There is a story about EV buses in the US that has not gone to plan, Maybe you can find it as I don't know which state it was.
John, do you know why they stopped just 130k out of sydney, No doubt you know that topping up the last 20% is the slowest so why intentionally head to a 350KW charger while your battery is still so full and would charge so slowly? I get that many people don't know how evs work and optimally charge- but you do don't you?
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There’s a great video on TH-cam about two guys driving the length of England, from John O Groats to Lands End. One was in a 13 year old BMW diesel sedan, the other in a two year old Porsche Taycan Ev.
They drove normally and didn’t particularly try to be efficient as possible. The result? The EV took six hours longer. And the costs were staggering. Charging cost anything from £20 to £60 (about $110 Australian) an hour, and sometimes all chargers would be full so you had to stand around twiddling your thumbs waiting.
All up, the Porsche cost TWICE to charge up for the trip what the BMW did in diesel. The guy said he could have driven the trip, turned around, and driven back again for less than it cost the EV to go one way.
Of course frantic EV fans said he “didn’t drive properly and steadily”, that he “should have made the trip at night to find less people charging”, etc etc.
WRONG. You want EV’s to be seen as normal cars to replace ordinary ICE vehicles? Then people must be able to drive them normally. You shouldn’t have to drive them in a special way with heaps of planning and allowance for charging compatibility and availability.
EV’s have been around since the earliest days of motoring. And today they face the exact same problems as then…range, charging time, places to charge.
the EV didn't even finish the trip, he gave up as it was too frustrating.
Do you remember the youtube channel mate?
@@timgooding2448 Geoff Buys cars and the MacMaster. They both have separate channels. They have since done North Wales to South Wales with similar result.
@@timgooding2448 Geoff buys cars and the MacMaster, think that's how it's spelled.
Those two dudes are excellent value. Particularly Jeff (JeffBuysCars).
My favourite EV is an electric train powered by overhead wires so that the energy to drive the train doesn't have have to be on the train, giving weight savings.
You train people are all the same. You're just not willing to accept that times move forward. We have trams, now.
Good luck trying to take a train from Sydney to Melbourne using overhead electric wires.
@@russellmoore1533 You are right. My dream would be a high speed train from Brisbane, Sydney, Canberra to Melbourne. Realistically it's not going to happen.
@@coweatsman It would cost about half as much as those damn submarines. And could be probably be delivered sooner.
@@waynec3563 Yeah and the Chinese would be very scared of your 'lectric train -duuuuude....
There was something funny in the UK this week which brought home to me the bonkers-ness of the current push to EVs. The Caravan And Motorhome Club (CAMC) in their December magazine had a review of the Skoda Enyaq EV. Now remember, this is a caravan magazine, so the main use-case for the car would be towing a caravan. The car had a range as tested of over 280 miles, but when towing their test caravan it dropped to 130 miles. The reviewer then states that with a fully loaded car (wife, kids, dog etc) the range would probably drop to 100 miles.
Their verdict was "Setting aside the range issues when towing (a common issue with all electric vehicles), the Enyaq Coupe vRS is a fine towcar."
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but how nuts is this? 100 mile range when starting off on a full charge, but still think it's a good towcar? I would have range anxiety even before leaving home, looking for chargers ever 50 miles, then add to this how very difficult it would be to pull into an EV charging station with a caravan hitched on the back of your EV.🤯
Would you have to unhitch the caravan each time you charge it or does the average charging station accommodate EV and caravan?
Unless you can pull up along side a charger maybe something intended for a small commercial vehicle, I'm fairly sure that most consumer charging stations here in the UK would not accommodate a car & caravan. So you would need to drop off the caravan, go charge, then pick it back up, and doing this every 60-70 miles or so with the example Skoda seems bonkers.
Just fit a 10 liter fuel tank to make your ICE comparable to the EV and it will still be quicker to "recharge" Problem solved!
I'm an ideas man finding solutions for the guvviment lol
Just include a gasoline powered generator in your tow package😂
So basically it's a good tow car provided your not towing, makes sense😊.
I felt a sense of relief the other day driving by a charging station when I remembered my car doesn't have a charge port.
Not long ago this was the credo of the EV owners. "Ha ha, no more waiting at the gas station. We're electric!".
Statistically you will spend 8.6 hours a year filling up your car at the petrol station because you have no choice But too. An EV is charge up at home 98% of the year making the time spent wasted only 1.5 hours a year . 😂😂 food for thought
@sheepyracing2774 yeah, food for thought unless you live in an apartment or condo like many do. So do I get a 500ft power cord to attach to my EV from my 3rd floor apartment window? Food for thought eh?
@@nasimwehbe8410 tesla supply you with a form to that allows you to add power to your designated underground car park for apartment and units . Then you’ll say oh I park on the street well obviously you can’t afford a tesla if you have to park on the street , meaning don’t buy one in the first place .
So yes ,food for thought .😀😂
@@dk-bw4gkmines got a ‘full tank’ every morning. Our 250 km return trips to Melbourne cost
I couldn't be bothered spending an extra 20,000 to buy one for the start, let alone getting didley squat for it when you're finished with it.
Yeah 100% that amount _extra_ on a car is horrendous.
And what about cost of insurance coverage for it.
Being a mechanic all my life I laugh like hell as people blindly believed carmakers gas mileage numbers over the years but reality slaps him in the face with different results… Along come EV’s...THE SAME THING, people believing distance numbers on their electric cars… I often ponder how stupid humans can be when our older generation tells us “look at history you will learn by it”‼️
Yep that’s correct, you can’t fix stupid ‼️
Love your content... keep up the great work 👍🇨🇦‼️🍻
And they have a trip computer whose range plummets as the city disappears in the rear view mirror after indicating only one stop for recharging.
They are not supposed to leave the city.@@rogerpearson9081
John, as you're a former operator of an EV, I think you'd be familiar with 3 EV chargers in Goulburn, located at the rear of a petrol station at the northern side of town, when you take the first exit from the Hume Hwy. Last easter, I was driving my affront to the EV evangelists (a 1972 Pontiac with it's standard 7.5 litre V8) and stopped at this servo to fuel up with LPG. I was able to drive straight up to the LPG pump and complete my refueling in minutes. Sadly, I couldn't say the same for the evangelists club. One of the three chargers was out of order and there was a queue of 12 EVs waiting to take their turn at the already occupied chargers. I don't think they were enjoying the start to the long weekend...
I’ve never seen 7.5L V8 and LPG in the same sentence before and I’m 64. Kudos.
Yep, he’s familiar and he’s done video sometime ago from that exact location when having EV charging issues. And was only going from CBR to SYD.
I wonder if any of those folks waiting in line know they've been conned?
I trust you gave them a cheery blip of your accelerator when you left, the music of your eight pistons helping to soothe their nerves and brighten their day!
Near here LPG can be obtained not much more reliably than non-Tesla EV charging.
A woman asked the question recently in a electric vehicle Facebook group, " what sort of electric vehicle should I get, or should I get one? I do lots of regional travel, over 1000km per DAY, around 3,000km per 5 day week and currently drive a diesel Golf, getting around 5.5lt/100km".
I was almost the only one that said stick with a diesel, get something with a spare. The Kool-aid sippers were twisting themselves into knots trying to justify her buying electric.
*Edited, to reflect my error, it was 1000km (up to) per day, not week. So you may all untwist your knickers.
1000km per week? That would be simple in an EV. Charge at home at night, Done.
@@ajc5479 Unfortunately she lives in a small flat with her two cats, and has to park the car on the road a few blocks over, and she just can't find an extension lead long enough.
@@jluke168 How would you know where she lives? That's a creepy reply from you.
@@ajc5479 She told me because I'm kind and honest. You, she said, are a manipulative a-hole, and she never wants to see you staring up at her windows again.
@@phillipbanes5484 So some random guy knows who the original commentator was talking about and where she lives. And you don't find that strange or creepy?
WTF is wrong with you?
Awesome John,well said! I'll stick to my 6 litre V8 Caprice which purrs along the highway at about 1500 rpm at 110 kmh. Filled it in Geelong for a $120 PULP and drove to Pt Adelaide (720km) and still had 1/4 of a tank left. An 'economy' run i can get nearly 900. Not bad for an 09' model big heavy luxury barge😊
Legend.🇦🇺
With no deprecating and comfort my deprecating budget is $100 to $200 per week but I keep the mileage down so I can get a reasonable trade. Imagine what the $90k EV is worth at 10 years old . You V8 collector car will be going up in value.
Those cars and their relatives are surprisingly efficient for having such big engines, especially on the highway. In much of the USA they were the usual police cars back in the day.
Shhh...don't tell the Greenies, lefties and JSO.
Your V8 has better fuel economy than a hybrid Camry? Pull the other one
One thing we need to remember here in Australia is the ever present chance of a bushfire and the probability of the electricity being turned off because of it,I wouldn't fancy being caught with a flat battery in the middle of a bushfire and no way to escape, I have had to evacuate several times over recent years because of bushfire,this alone has put me off buying an EV
gas stations need electricity to work
@@vanmego433 And cars powered by Gas or Diesel have twice the range of an EV... what's your point?
@@vanmego433 No electricity required for your 20litre jerry can.
It feels like a bandwagon is being jumped on, by both sides of this choice and the important word there is "choice".
If you live rurally, like you've said you do, I don't think an EV is compelling, but most Aussies live in cities so the choice for them could be different.
The biggest factor, IMO, is if you have access to a power point when you park your car each night. What's quite annoying is how hard it is for, apartment dwellers, to get chargers put in the parking areas, but at least most of them have off street parking. If you live somewhere without off street parking an EV is a poor choice, unless you drive to work and can charge there. I'm aware of a couple of councils trying different ways of facilitating on street charging, I imagine it will only work in richer areas though, otherwise arseholes will, probably, vandalise or destroy it. 😒
@@Cluueyspot on. Don’t need these long trips don’t get an EV.
EV is the perfect runaround for families with 2 cars in and around cities.
Not so great for people who need to drive long distances.
We all have an unconscious cognitive bias, hey John, if think you have some. Here is my experience of traveling from Brisbane to Airlie Beach and back. In short, I had no problems charging my EV. At no time did I feel unsafe while charging my car. I would charge at roughly every 300km, have a pee and a cuppa and before I knew it the car was charged and I was on my way. The beauty of the trip was that it only cost $90. A couple of destination charges at motels I stayed at helped to reduce the cost, Queensland Super Highway, 30 cents a kilowatt, steady driving averaging 13.2 kilowatt hour per 100 kilometres. Full charged at home from my solar.
Cost of charging will triple very shortly so enjoy while u can😮
In an ICE here in the US a 180 miles trip would have cost you about 10~12 bucks... and have taken a lot less time. So congrats you played yourself.
@@rodshoaf My solar panels have been up for over 6 years and have more than paid for themself. All it costs me using my own power is 5 cents a kilowatt. My car uses 13 kilowatts hrs per 100 kilometres. 65 cents for every 100 kilometers or in your language 60 miles. Eat your heart out.
@@TARBUNNY2013 I have had my solar panels up for over 6 years, it cost me 5 cents a kilowatt hour, and I can travel 100 kilometers for 65 cents.
@@Kickatubealong That's great, but not everyone owns their own house and can install solar and/ or charge at home. Your EV sounds great for you. But they don't, and never will, suit everyone. They are a niche product.
Yep, loving the fact that I can still crow about my 900km highway range in my 2012 Ford Falcon. Got one of those 2.4l Ecoboost engines in it that is no better than the 6 around town, but boy, it sure kicks butt on those country road kilometres.
All the way to Sydney on one tank. All the way home on one tank. No stress, no worries.
Almost 12 years old and 300,000 on the clock - just need to keep it well serviced. I reckon that car is greener than any EV on the road. And it gets greener with every year I resist upgrading it to a new one.
The other advantage is as per your last video - no ADAS!
Dark side of charging... getting robbed.
I don’t hear much about Tesla issues re carjacked…..very paranoid riding on my friend’s new T around Seattle. ..4 mos old, already had problems with doors not locking properly, she can’t lock car when I’m sitting inside, makes no sense.
Enough said….
At least if you get car jacked, they're not going to make it far.
I can't believe that is costs that much...fortunately we have diesels and petrols...so anything that isn't peak hour or a quick run around...then I take another car. But I'm pretty sure the Kona added about maybe $400 to the power bill.
...it was never a cost saver or anything my dad bought an AMG in the same week (would have gone a Macan) but he knew he didn't have that long...
But Mr. Codogan is absolutely right about ditching the "economy" tyres as soon as possible. It makes I imagine any EV a different car. But unless you've got off street parking and you do want the 7.7kW charger. But it has to be a second car...
For those against EV's, range anxiety isn't a thing once you know the car...driving in traffic is great, they're awesome because you can dart in and out of gaps in the traffic easily...but if you're on the highway all the time. Buy a petrol.
@@85priestydarting in and out of traffic. Top move for little gain and high risk. You da man Nigel
You are so right. I do not want my wife to drive our EV because of this. Also, not many EV chargers have a cover from the weather.
Good point, we take for granted the generous weather protections at service stations.
Agreed - so, not much of a break from driving at midnight, in the rain.
You’re right it would be an offence to make your wife drive 500kms a day and only relying on superchargers at night😂 but instead the average Australian only drives 36.4km day making your statement as ridiculous as it seems
@@sheepyracing2774 maybe if you're in the city, which makes you're view as narrow as it seems. 100km+ of highway driving per workday is not unusual for those not in a large urban centre, but here we are in a huge push to take any suitable car for these people off the market in under 5 years. You also fail to take into account several industries these kind of daily distances and delays will sky rocket prices for. Security, ubers, cabs, small transport....... these are all places running 75% or more of battery ranges on an average day and run 12-24 hrs non stop, the downtime for charging or redundancy systems either pushes prices up, reduces quality of service or both.
@@lucasvyner1502 making fringe cases for companies with a 24hour roster isn’t your problem. It’s there own issue to sort out. They can simply buy more EVs and switch them over if it’s such an issue . Wait 5 years and battery tech might reach the same as a diesel . Most electric cars are already reaching distance that if petrol/gas cars.
you don’t want to be the one investing in the horse a buggy economy in the 1920s . Let’s just say a lot of you are going to be left behind ..
Flip side, we just drove , 3000 km from Central Coast to Tassie and back, cost $270, charging overnight at various abodes, used the Hume Highway, many serviceable and easy to use chargers. there is always a flip side John. No serious planning just drove, happy with the result.
That’s a magical vehicle you have to drive to Tassie.
@@craigdavid6668 Yes their numbers dont add up even if you squint, I suspect it was on a boat for most of it
wait for the road tax that EV are not paying at present. apples with apples not oranges.
Sticking with ICE vehicles for as long as the fuel is available..
Or isn't legislated out of existence....
@@davidnobular9220 They will have a damn hard time doing that. The protests seen in Melbourne during covid lock downs or the truckers protests in Canada will look like a family picnic gathering in comparison.
No stress there mate!
Petrol stations are still being built. Seen 3 this week.
They know the future 😂
What worries me is what was done to those truckers because electronic money was used to control them (ie blocking of donations etc)
Known how much I might have to spend on insurance and the fact that even minor impact means total write off, and the fire risk, I would not consider EV for at least "few more years" unless things improved.
I have driven one for over 2 years and have no issues. The Uk has a pretty good charging network though nowadays and most of my charging is at home.
@@vannicrider7953yet again an ev jockey that doesn't get it!!!
You provide your experience as evidence of no issues yet you openly admit mostly charging at home!
Lol
You do such a great job with your information. As someone that drives from Vancouver to Dawson Creek Canada a witch is 1167 km a 13 hour trip in the summer in my ICE powered jeep. I cannot imagine standing around in some good for second place hanging around, waiting for some bear or cougar to decide to make a meal out of me. Wile charge my car. Never mind trying this at -25c
Keep up the good work
How did the witch get into this story? Was she using a Electric Broom or an ICB? Must be really cold flying a broom in -25C, the slipstream would go right up your skirt and freeze the Lady Department.
@@csjrogerson2377 letterkenny - mother hutchins... there was a whistling sound.
I hear ya. About 25 years ago I went to visit a good friend who was working at Whistler Blackcomb and this was in late November. I had gone for a trek one late morning to explore the beautiful area. I saw a beautiful cub exploring the next hill about 1km away and it was followed by its mama Brown Bear. Luckily they are quite far away on the next hill and thus I was not on their takeaway menu for their hibernations.
Where I am living now, it is a 45km journey (and 300m elevation) to reach the next city. I will take my ICE car any day over an EV.
Good points made, Substitute + 35 C for your -25C and a similar situation here.
@@robames1293 the interior of british columbia can be over +40C in summer. the record was set a few years ago, +49C in lytton.
Just drove a Polestar 2 from Brisbane to Sydney and back. Charged 4 times going and 3 times back. It was a flawless experience and cost ~$160 for the trip. I’m very happy for the risk adverse to stay home and leave the road to me 😊.
Well, bully for you Rambo...what a hero!
Ev technology will advance quickly, once range tops 1000klm and there’s a charger on every corner I’ll look at it like millions of other I guess. Hybrid safe middle ground for now
Since I've had my new petrol Toyota Camry, I've just driven around the local area. As I set off on my first road trip (since I sold my XR6 Falcon), from the Sunshine Coast in Queensland to Sydney a few weeks ago, I noticed the range displayed on the 'info' screen was 460 klms (or thereabout). As I headed towards my anticipated refuelling point around Coffs Harbour, I noticed the duration klms didn't dissipate as I left the klms behind. The maths didn't add up!
On the return trip the displayed duration was nearly 800 klms.
I love the smell of unleaded in the morning.
Road tripped a hybrid 2022 corrola in adelaide 3.6l per 100kms 50 bux of unleaded 1000od kms friend had the non hybrid sitting on 4.8l
@@adob5573 I referred to the speculations of both the petrol and hybrid Camry and looked the cost and fuel consumption benefit would have been if I'd bought a hybrid Camry instead of the petrol one.
I worked on some 'ball park' figures.
The difference in the fuel consumption is 2.6 litres per 100 klms.
I do around 7,500 klms per year.
That's about 195 litres of extra fuel (3 full tanks) per year that I use more than a hybrid.
Equals about $436 per year saving if I'd gone for the hybrid.
It would take about 4.5 years for me to whittle away the additional purchase cost of the hybrid.
Obviously, if you do more klms the benefit sways more towards the hybrid, but for me, there's very little benefit.
Your range in an EV is also going to be affected by very cold weather or hot weather when the cabin needs heating or cooling.
My EV literally drops the range 40% when it is cold outside. At least it is honest. If I need to go more than 100 miles in a day I take my ICE van.
My EV literally drops the range 40% when it is cold outside. At least it is honest. If I need to go more than 100 miles in a day I take my ICE van.
Also add the loss in range in the mountains or against a 30 MPH headwind, which holds true for ICE vehicles, too. I was driving my diesel powered motor home into just such a head wind (it has enough power I didn't notice) and when I filled up I found my fuel economy decreased by 30%. I generally don't have range anxiety in the motor home as it has a 150 gallon tank. I would have been stuck in the middle of the desert with an EV motor home.
I’m waiting for the reality to kick in for EV owners stuck on a closed or reduced lane freeway in blazing hot conditions going nowhere and needing to sacrifice power consumption because they are about to go flat and therefore causing another major road blockage.
Australia's EV charging network is right up there with Antarctica's EV charging network. It's hard to say who comes out on top.
australia's for sure, you wouldn't make it from charger to charger in antarctica unless they built them every 10 kms.
😂
One region favours ICE ?
Bwahahaha.
So to save the planet drive a 11 year old Corolla. i like it
It's actually a very green option, in terms of lifecycle.
@@AutoExpertJC Have a 23 year old merc damm i might be green
Bravo to Belinda and you John, exceptionally refreshing from a reporter and as usual the facts from Auto Expert.
Thanks mate.
John, did you find it surprising that on they way back she charged for $37.81 just outside her home? Divided by the 65c a kwh that means she added over 58kwh when she didn't need to and could have just charged at home. Isn't that a bit odd? @@AutoExpertJC
@@toyotastout6870Hi mate. I've not read the article but I don't know where she lives but I can guess a few reasons as to why. If it's a house it could be because it takes ages to charge on a standard outlet. She could also be in an apartment and unable to charge. The strata at mine specifically forbids charging in the carpark for example.
240v * 10a is 2400w so 2.4kw 58/2.4=24.167 hours charging. I'd pay $37 to not wait too
Remember you don't 'wait' when you charge anything overnight and you don't need to charge to full just enough for the next day.@@Kilometrico88
My diesel doesnt need a wifi to pump fuel into its tank.
No but it needs electricity to run the pump and a cashier to rob you!
Well done John, 100% true. It's got nothing to do with being a EV hater, it's just simply the hard truth about them.
Yeah nah. It's EV hate - there are plenty of excellent use cases for evs, and yes, plenty of detractors.
As much as he treats it as a ~ side issue, the guts of this video surrounds the incredibly poor charging infrastructure we have in this country rather than there being anything particularly "wrong" with evs themselves.... And yeah I agree if you're doing ~500km a day, day in, day out you'd be mad to own an ev at this point in time (unless your journey happened to start and stop on top of a charging station - and even then diesel would be cheaper).... But if you only do ~100km a day, charging entirely at home is doable, and cheap....
.... But why do we have poor charging infrastructure (compared to most developed countries)? Because of the fossil fuel industry and it's sway over our media. and the constant barrage of "ev's will kill your weekend" fluff like this video....
Given our unrivaled access to ALL of the raw materials required for an entirely in-house, end to end renewable energy industry, along with pretty much year round sun, it's a crying shame we aren't a world leader in generation and storage... and electric vehicles.
@@rohansprenger6902see you lot pull out the hard done by card in defence of EV'S. Why?
I assume bad habit.
Facts! That is what I just heard.
It is an issue.
Just because you don't like facts doesn't give you the right to be accuse individual of doing poor work or worse.
Or are you suggesting it was all made up?
@@0AusSelective facts are not facts.
@@mamba101 Lol.
Do you want to let the individuals at Macquarie dictionary know they have miss defined what a fact is?
Or would you like a moment to rethink/delete that lol comment?
😆👍
@@mamba101 I hope you don't mind I grabbed a screen shot of that attempt. Lol hearing the short comings and serious safety issues battery cars have real effects You doesn't it?
Box breathing, yep you should learn box breathing. 😉👌
Long distance personal transportation is an environmental joke, but we all do it. Your case is perfectly stated. EV buyers beware. Authorities, take notes, act before the pain is traumatising.
Ev owners don't drive.
Tbh driving long distance is often cheeper especially when u factor in having to hire a car at your destination to get around, even u uber everywhere it still ends up about the same as a rental.
Recently traveled to Newcastle from Melbourne, to hire a car for the 3 days were there would've cost about 500$ on top of flights for 3 people.
It cost me about 200$ total in fuel (xr6 turbo) plus lunches ended up about 260 for the whole trip. Sometimes it's cheaper.
Though if I was going to Perth or something then it's obviously cheaper to fly.
Millions of factories pumping shit in the air and water. 3rd world countries dumping waste in the ocean. and they want me to feel bad about a little co2 that my car produces???
o_0
Greenwashing bs joke
Just belted up to Newcastle from Melbourne and back on the Hume Hwy in a MG ZS EV Long Range. Yeah, added just shy of 2 hours extra to my trip than in previous trips but it forced me to have breaks which meant fatigue didn't set in and I arrived fresher [than normal] at each end. I didn't have any issues at any of the chargers (3 times each way), but did watch other people have issues. No, never had to wait, straight on and into the facilities for a coffee and comfort break - 85kW charging where the charger allowed (about 35 min charge each stop $18-24). Though I can understand, EVs won't be for everyone (nor should they).
Belted up ? Ha ha!
You actually proved the point he is making. You admit EV's require a change in driving habits and schedules. In other words, someone else is determining your lifestyle and decisions.
Adding 2 hours to your driving day can't be good for fatigue - not to mention stress/anxiety.
Main thing is con artist Blackout Bowen gets to keep his job/perks.
I own a Telsa Model 3. I have clocked up 6000 km. I have yet to use a public charger. I always charge at home. One of the reasons I chose a Tesla is because Tesla is the gold standard in EV chargers. As far as I understand it, all you have to do is connect the Tesla charger to your car, and it will work. I agree there is more planning in long trips. Also, we need more reliable chargers. At the moment, EV cars are not everyone.
I feel you shouldn't need a smart phone to connect an EV charger. This something EV charging companies should address. However, please correct me if I am wrong, there are RFID cards that are supposed to work on all the chargers (except Telsa).
You made an informed choice when getting your EV. For your driving habits you knew that there was no need to use a public charger. They are GREAT for local driving, as that is what they were originally intended for. (Reducing pollution in high density cities and such.) Not alot of smog in the boondicks relative to a downtown no matter where you live.
To me it is like needed a massive 4x4 when you live in the mountains and rough terrain. A smart choice if you are a rancher and need to be able to get around all the time. A bad choice if you commute 15 km each way to work and back and expect low fuel cost. Buy a vehicle based on your actual driving needs, not just because one is an ICE and the other an EV.
The only time I needed a public charger with my Nissan Leaf is when I started out with 190 mile range and drove 75 miles but upon starting my return trip my range was only 50 miles due to it being cold outside. That was fun, it was dark, and cold, and my 2 and 5 year old were in the car. Started to panic a little but I called my wife who was able to locate a charger within 15 miles that luckily was unoccupied and I stopped there and charged enough to get home. I will not take the car anywhere now unless I have at least twice the range I need.
For the most Tesla is in prosess of open allmost all Tesla SuperCharger location for other ev’s as well. You just need to download the Tesla app, and register your credit card. At least in Skandinavia and most of Europe. Its not that big a differanse pricewice either…
John, you should check out those 2 cases in Canada where Ioniq 5 owners ended up with total failure due to minimal damage to the battery housing. Since nothing is wrong with the batteries, there are no errors in the dash. Dealer won't cover anything, insurance wants to write off the cars, and the battery replacement costs more than the cars themselves. New cars, BTW. The owners were unlucky enough to scrape some road bumps or something.
A channel called Motormouth covered the two cases. They even have footage of the minimal damage.
I've seen that as well.
It was pretty much the same here in Germany when I got my first EV. Thankfully we have chargers now almost everywhere and it has gotten much better. I love my EVs and the network is great here but sometimes it can be a pain and tiring when you just want to get back home and have to do a final short charge just to make it. And yes, even after nearly 10 years electric I still get range anxiety when the battery says charge because I miscalculated like a fool. Drafting behind semi at 3% SOC is absolutly horrifying.
More Quality from JC as we’ve come to expect 🎉
Jesus Delivers.
@@AndyRRR0791 Be it Electric or otherwise.....
Thanks JC for this great report.
I had participated with my university's solar car challenge about 30 years when I was an undergrad engineering student. We had members from all branches of engineering (mechanical, fluids science, electrical, electronics, material science, structural...) doing their best to achieve the best potency and efficiencies for the car. When I see these massive heavy EVs being produced and marketed, I wondered how much infrastructure do we have to available for us to quickly recharge these EVs with. With combustion engines, I can carry spare petrol/diesel to help extend my range to reach Dingo Piss Creek. I wonder if we have any EV owners that carry a spare diesel generator (and diesel) to help recharge their cars when they make their pilgrimages to Dingo Piss Creek.
#offtopic I reside in a small country town in Australia and was amused to see an EV driving around our little country town. It is clear that the driver does not suffer from any range anxieties. Perhaps the driver was trying to help reduce the high levels of air and noise pollutions in this small country town.
Don't generalise, many people buy electric cars for the driving experience and the interaction with the tech in the car. Thinking about pollution and the environment doesn't come into it. This is one of the fallacies perpetuated on this channel, although I'm sure many ev buyers do buy them for these reasons, but it sure isn't all of them.
@@wigs1098 EV ? Driving experience? Give over
@@g8ymw I have just bought an EV as a primary drive car when the numbers made sense (before now, they have not for me). I collected the car from Sydney and headed off back to Brisbane, having never even charged an EV before. What could go wrong? I'll qualify by saying I did prepare and get the relevant apps etc.. sorted before departure, and set off in the full knowledge that the worst case scenario was the flea bag motel so eloquently described by JC.
Let me preface, too, by adding that I am not in any way an EV evangelist praying at the alter of Electric Jesus. Far from it, as I have been considering an EV, but it never added up for me in a way that made taking the plunge seem like a good idea (until now).
The result for me during my virgin exposure to the world of EV touring between States was almost boring to report, but as there is so much ill-informed crap going on in the comments here, I had to add my actual experience. It was bloody easy, I have to say!
I pre-planned the stops at which at least one charging station was operational at each location (charging infrastructure is a disgrace in Aus, but it still worked OK for me, which was a pleasant surprise after reading all the horror stories on the channel here and elsewhere). I spent a total of $65 at fast chargers and a total of 23 minutes charging up over the two days of travel. To clarify why two days, I flew to Sydney on day one to collect the car, and was on my way home from the dealer by about 2:30pm, so it was an overnight stop or drive into the night option. I chose to stop. I have to say it was the cheapest and easiest drive Sydney to Brisbane that could be imagined. The most surprising bit is that I was expecting highway range to plummet and drop before my eyes. At a constant 112km/hr (according to Waze) I was running at approximately 18kWhr per 100km, so a good 260km keeping the battery between 20% and 80%. I topped at one point to 90% to experiment, and range easily nudged into the mid 300s. Let's be clear, that's not a diesel tank range by any measure, but it was absolutely adequate to work between nominated stops, and definitely not plummeting into the low 200s as suggested. At one point, I stopped at a fast charger in Coffs Harbour, and charging was so quick, I barely had time to gulp down a drink and a breakfast roll, take a leak and the charge was done!
Since that trip, my travel has been mostly around the city or between Brisbane and the Sunshine Coast. All readily accessible to chargers, often free to use, and very convenient to my travels. Next step is the home charger because the standard plug in the wall is slooooooow as suggested by everyone, but works as a fallback if you need to top it back up and can wait interminably for it to charge.
Should you buy an EV? Depends on where you live and drive, of course. Will it work? Probably, and it really does for me which is as big a surprise as anything - in a good way. As for driving enjoyment - I bought the EV6 GT and I can say with conviction it is a hoot to drive! An absolute Jekyll and Hyde car for a bloke who has owned more than 130 cars in his life, and knows a bit about what he does and does not like. The EV6 is good in every way for my use case. JC has lots of good points, and most of his videos are well-researched and mathematically spot on! But his opinion on everything is not necessarily definitive, as is the case here with some of the generalized conclusions from one specific use case. You can take that to the bank too.
@@jasonhall7753I think people just need to get educated on the use of EVs. Plenty of people have reported similar experiences to yours. The lady in the article was not entirely prepared as much as she thought. I believe most types of chargers have RFID card options that you can order when you download the apps which is handy when you have no reception(thanks vodafail). Having said that it is ridiculous that they all don’t just have an eftpos credit card tap option. However, like you said the charging infrastructure definitely is way behind. Service stations generally make more profit from selling food and snacks than from selling petrol so it would make sense for them to invest in the infrastructure and have more than what they currently have on the freeways to encourage the uptake of evs. Unfortunately, most people don’t like change and will always prefer using what they know and what is most convenient for them. Like anything it will take time but eventually it will become the norm until something else more viable and sustainable come outs.
Thank you, John, for another thoughtful video. I hired a BYD ATTO 3 from Mascot in August 2023. I had only driven 10km in an EV before that. The available charge shown on the dash at pickup was 90% for an estimated range of 390km. I watched a review of the BYD ATTO 3 for a return trip from Sydney to Canberra, so I knew what to expect with the estimated range - drive slower or do not arrive. My first destination was ~150km to Cave’s Beach near Newcastle, meaning I theoretically would have ~240km range left to drive the ~130km back to my sister’s house at Toongabbie. It was 12MD Saturday, and I needed to arrive at Cave’s Beach before 2.30pm if I was to meet all the family gathered there before they left. The Google Maps estimate was 2 hours and 10 minutes. However, I needed to drive in a way that kept the kW consumed in the green economy zone or in the regeneration zone on downhill sections. I did this for the entire trip. This meant that in the 110km/hr speed zones, I was always below 100km/hr, and I arrived at 2.45pm. I used my 52 years of on-road driving experience to achieve the estimated range. I managed to briefly see all the family gathered there, and then I drove to my sister’s house. I arrived at Toongabbie with 20% charge and an estimated 90km remaining range. I then logged onto the Fox charging network app to find a local fast charger. There were no fast chargers available and free anywhere near Toongabbie. I plugged the supplied 10amp 240volt charging cable into the socket in my sister’s garage and noted the estimated charge time of 30+ hours. Thirteen hours later, the battery charge had increased to 50%, which was sufficient to potter around north-west Sydney for the day, with 38% charge remaining on Sunday night. I plugged in again overnight to achieve 68% by Monday morning. I then drove the EV back to Mascot and dropped it off with 62% charge remaining. Lesson learned - I will stick with my Hybrid Camry for now.
Maybe hyper-miling in electric vehicles could become a thing.....if only to get near the estimated range.....
I once had a laptop that didn't last more than 2 hours on battery. This absolutely proves that we should not trust any laptop on batteries.
That is the exact same logic that this article is using, and you agree with it in your video. Just because one particular model of EV is only able use some crappy charging networks, doesn't mean that all EV and all fast chargers suck.
I'm not denying the truth about that article, just the conclusion of it.
I don't live in Australia, but anyone can map a route between Sydney and Melbourne on the Tesla superchager network. Sure, it won't be as fast as petrol car drivers that don't need to stop every 300 kms (which, by the way, is not my case), but trust me, it will save you at least $100.
As a personal experience, I drove to New York this summer, the whole trip was around 800 km, it took me 9 hours with 2 stops, and it costed me $40 in electricity. Each stop was less than 20 min. Barely had time to got to the toilet and get something to eat.
On a 2022 RWD Model 3 with LFP, if you need to know the details.
I didn't have the guts to try that with any other EV, because the difference with Tesla is the dependability of the charging network. And that is the key to their sales, I believe. I don't dislike other EVs, but they aren't able to use the same network (just yet). So I'd rather have a Tesla because I also want to travel in an EV.
There's a productivity issue with EV's that just isn't being talked about. Great video and article. I'm glad she didn't get baled up in Kelly country 😌
I agree 120%, duuuuude.
I'd love an EV... as a town car. Something small, something cheap, something light, something uber economical. Who gives a shit, it's just a shopping cart. Exactly the kind of EV no manufacturer is actually making, though there are some outliers that are not sold in Oz). For everything else I have four petrolatum sniffing cylinders that will go to any place on this continent (quite literally, it's a fourby) and recharges in any country town in seconds. It usually takes about the same time to pay for the fuel as it does to put it in the tank and I've not come close to going over 10 L/100km under even the most extreme conditions. Well, I haven't actually tried to drag the trailer down the beach but I think I'd be OK. I have nothing against EVs but they are not going to save the planet, and they are not practical for everything at the current level of technology.
Sounds like you would like a Toyota Corolla, or the equivalent there. Except for the EV part. I think a lot of us would like to have an EV. But only those with too much money waste money on e-gadgets, status symbols, and making a statement.
Wifey has a Suzuki swift, be about the right size to electrify you would think. Nothing at a comparable price in an EV yet. Need more than EVs' alone in the electrify all stuff future. Using less fuel is a good start. My case use, an EV is good but its not like that for everyone yet.
Get a golf cart!
Same I'd love to give the big 6/1000km range 2 tonne ute range a rest from doing the pathetic tasks that involve bogan and imported drivers doing door damage and impacts and from the ultra-small carparks found around shopping centres but nothing Electric comes to mind.
@@Kenneth-ts7bp Oh pth..
Thanks again John, your efforts to bring to light the obvious downside of EVs is refreshing. The one thing I'll say about the EV charging situation is probably akin to the petrol station situation about 120 years ago when there were 2 cars for every 100 horses. I guess driving a car with an ICE back then was very much like driving an EV today, perhaps even more challenging. However, until Australia reduces reliance on carbon fuel electricity there will never be an EV in my garage. And even then if there's no improvement on the explosive nature of those toxic bombs on wheels, I'll stick with my diesel thank you.
Maybe but even back then you could fill a container with petrol and top up in 5 minutes.
When the car was invented it ran on gas you could buy in a pharmacy. And every town has a pharmacy. So the problem wasn't fuel but reliability on a new technology that had to be tested out. The first ever ride was done by a woman: Berta Benz. There's documentarys on that on TH-cam
Imho, EV design is basically a failed tech forced upon the masses by global billionaires who appreciate the benefits of continuing to receive government subsidies in perpetuity to make their idea work. Of course we pay for those subsidies from our taxes but then also get to buy these overpriced EV's that depreciate in value faster then any other vehicle in the parking lot. We, the consumer, get it from every angle and not in a good way.
EV's are not only dangerous but impractical particularly in countries like Australia that have large land masses. What I find amusing is how people can think that standing around for hours refilling the vehicles battery is in any way conducive to having enjoyable day out?
My current diesel is the perfect fit for my caravaning lifestyle.
120 years ago EVs were being replaced by ICE cars.
What kills me more than the cost of charging vs the cost of fuel is no one is talking about the amount of "pollution" produced to extract the raw materials necessary for just 1 ev battery. I can tell you the mining trucks and front-end loaders and highway tractors are not plugged into a socket. This, of course, doesn't include the energy it takes to reduce the tons and tons of material that has to be separated down to get to the raw ingredients of the lithium and other toxic substances to produce the batteries. The next question I'd love these ev devotees to answer is, what is powering the electricity plant? Most power stations are coal fired. No one is factoring the carbon footprint of those in.
I drove my Iconiq electric to Canberra on one charge, I wouldn't recommend it. The traffic was congested all the way so I rarely went over 100 and was often down to 80. From the turn off to Canberra I was doing 70 and sweating profusely. I got to the top of the hill with 3% left and had about 10km to go. At the bottom of the hill I had 4% and about 6km to go. The first charger I found needed a cable I didn't have, and even if I did have the cable the charger was only a 22kW AC thing. The Iconiq only charges at 7kW on AC. I found a public charger in a car park near the lake and 50mins later I had 80% charge. What killed my range, apart from the rain, was that Canberra is 550m higher than Sydney and that reduced my range. Driving back, I was on the speed limit all the way and had 15% left when I got home. The Iconic electric is super efficient, I average 11.7 kW/100km. The other thing I really don't like about it for long trips is there is no spare. With the 10amp lead I can charge it in 15 hours, with a 15amp it takes around 10 hours from dead flat to fully charged. If I pull into a hotel, friends house, or campsite with a 10amp outlet with 10% at 6pm, I'm good to go after breakfast. With a 60kW battery on a bigger car you'll only be half-charged. If I'm going anywhere far, I'll take my 80 series Landcruiser.
With the approaching holiday season almost upon us, imagine having to wait for 1 or 3 car in front of you. Not a completely unreasonable scenario either. Happy to hear the young lady in question survived, aldeit sworn off the coolade.
Driving an EV costs almost as much as gasoline when relying entirely on fast-charging where I live and the Montreal-Ottawa roundtrip takes almost 2h longer than gasoline due to most Electric Circuit chargers (the only network with decent coverage and prices along those roads) being only 50kW max if you have a car that can pull 125A at 400V using its own on-board DC-DC converter to buck/boost that to whatever the battery actually needs, ~44kW up to 60-65% otherwise.
And yeah, the proprietary per-network apps with the need to create accounts on each to avoid roaming charges suck. On my first charging stop, it took me about 10 minutes to start charging because the button to start a charging session in the app was staying greyed out for some reason. Someone charging next to me eventually came out, told me that I should really buy the network's charging pass instead of using the app due to how trash it is and that I might have better luck if I re-launch the app. Re-launching solved the problem. Keeping an eye on the app, it looked like it bugged and required a restart every 5-10 minutes to fix broken UI elements.
The biggest laugh I have had was on you tube in the US a guy carries a petrol generator in case of no more charge,amazin g!
I hadn't even thought about some of the things mentioned in this video tbh.
I hate having my cards linked to anything due to the risks of identity theft etc.
So many potential points of failure even when ignoring the obvious compromises of using EVs away from the city.
Phone failure, internet issues, power grid failures etc etc etc.
I remember back when the bushfires went through a tourist town in NSW, from memory, and they got the servo running with a genny but they could only take cash. So many numpties were stuck there due to not carrying any cash with them.
I usually have enough cash to get me to wherever and back again plus for an unexpected stopover or whatever plus 2 cards if I need them with access to a few k if necessary.
Having to connect to the internet to drive your car around is ridiculous.
John Cadogan uploads a vid on Electric Cars…..
“I felt a great disturbance in The Force….like millions of Space Karens cried out in terror….and were suddenly silenced “
The sinister work of Arc Vader...
Space Karens are very vocal.
That’s just crazy. 3.5hrs to charge it. Unusable.
I have had a few Ev' and they are great for city driving especially if you have a charging system at home, preferably with some solar. Let me point out I'm talking about a small eV something like the BMW i3 that was not a bad Ev. Unfortunately I made a grave error one day bought an iX3 which is basically a tank carrying a massive battery. one day I decided to calculate how much would cost me to travel from Johannesburg (live in South Africa) to Cape Town and found out that it would be slightly more expensive than using a conventional internal combustion engine. In addition a trip to C town would be stressful, worrying about finding or getting to the next charge station and hoping that the next charge station would be available and working. Fortunately I never did the trip and managed to get out of this useless vehicle. My suggestion is if anybody wants an electric vehicle to go for a small one and have an older SUV an outback for the long trips. Thanks to your channel and logic hitting my head with a sledgehammer I am now converted back to good old internal combustion engine and no SUV and no EV.
I can only imagine range anxiety in SA on dark night ‘out there’ would be a thousand times worse.
I agree with your feedback on the BMW i3. Because it's got a backup petrol engine, the range anxiety associated with electric vehicles basically doesnt exist. When I was working at a petrol station, an i3 came in. Cost the owner a shade over $12 to fill, and apparently costs around $250 a year in fuel to run. Brilliant city car - unlike the big tankers people seem to want to drive in the middle of town these days!
I own an EV and its great for driving around the city and slow charging at home. I would never get one if I travelled long distance frequently, I also wouldnt get a car that couldn't use the tesla superchargers until 3rd party chargers get their act together.
The rule of thumb I would use at this time is: Don't road trip farther than the distance your EV can drive on 80% state of charge. If you get stuck at a charging station with a 50 KW charger you better have reserved a room at the hotel because you are going to be there a long time.
Why even buy a vehicle then? The whole point is the freedom they give you…
@@billisdewillis5 Vehicles both ICE and EV both provide a certain utility for the consumer and for industry. EV do provide the user with lower fuel costs and a lower TCO. They make sense for certain businesses and certain consumers. They are not for everyone or for every use case. I don't recommend EVs who don't want to bother with the in-depth planning required for road tripping.
about an hour at a 50kw charger
Well presented.
One point that I would like to make is about mobile phone coverage in Australia. There is on mobile phone company that has a much wider coverage than the other two. Several years ago, I think that is was ASIC, but I cannot be absolutely certain that it was them, would not allow roaming within Australia. We can do emergency calls across any network, so there is provision for roaming to take place, but the idiots in control of competition theory in Australia, will not allow this logical and very sensible idea to happen.
The majority of voters is in charge of competition policy in Australia. They elect idiots who hire idiots and make idiotic policy.
I suppose you are talking about Telstra. It costs them a lot of money to set up and maintain these towers out in the boonies so why should these other cheap carriers with 2 towers in the city get access to these outback towers without paying a fair amount for the access? I bet they don't want to pony up a decent amount and just leach off another telco who has put in the hard yards and actually got the hardware out there. You can still access any tower even if you are not with that carrier in an emergency so I am onside with Telstra in this. PS: I am not affiliated in any way with Telstra except as a customer on Boost.
@@rogerpearson9081
I understand your point. This, however, could have been done in a way that would have been financially beneficial for Telstra, after all, the NBN is a single entity that all providers contribute to.
I took my EV on a road trip, it was so bad. I had to stop for an entire hour and eat at a restaurant. Can’t believe I got suckered in to buying one. Reminded me of the time I had to turn around with my truck because I didn’t have enough gas to make the next gas station that was 70 miles ahead. Had to backtrack 30 miles. Unbelievable that people are forced to drive cars with gas tanks.
The other good thing about ICE cars is that you can carry a fuel can of petrol or diesel and top your tank up if needed, but you can't carry a spare power supply to top up on the road when needed
You can - you carry a can of diesel to fill your generator!
🤣Great portability @@offshoretinker
This is true but you can emergency charge at every power point if you ask nicely@@offshoretinker
@@offshoretinker Even better, you can get a tow-ready EV, hitch a small trailer, and put the generator on it. This way you'd still have room in the car for the kids and the dog.
Wait, now that I think about it, why not keep the generator running and keep it plugged into the EV while we drive. Now we only have to stop to fuel up the generator. No more range anxiety.
I understand that EVs are designed to be charged only when stationary, but that can be changed, right? All we have to do is take the car somewhere and get the computer programming changed.
Did I just give out a profitable business idea?
@@JasbirSingh-zj1fg isn't that what a "PHEV hybrid" is?
Back in April, I drove from Perth to the Sunshine Coast via the outback and then the civilised route through NSW to Mildurah then back to Perth, and the reality is that the infrastructure we have is al least 50 years behind where we need to be. I was honestly shocked considering the tax burden we pay to alleged infrastructure projects.
Well, the National highways were in worse condition than the road outside my house. @@RealHooksy
@@RealHooksyRoads?😂 our roads are rubbish!
@@RealHooksy ya got that right. 👍
However every many rds in dense areas are poor.
For a mineral rich country we should have good infrastructure, quality education & health care.
Unfortunately the Australian government is to busy squabbling and lining their pockets.
Regardless you said it my man Australia is vast. 👍
Be good.
*JOHN* - check out Geoff Buys Cars and The Macmaster's trip from John O'Groats to Lands End with a 14-year-old diesel against a Porche EV. I think you'll really enjoy it!
Avenel highlight - Fowles Winery, about 1 km south, you can exit off the freeway. Great food coffee and wine. Their signature range is “Ladies who shoot lunch”
Ive travelled many miles throughout the Uk. Its an intrinsic part of running my own business. Youve really hit the nail on the head regarding the feeling of lack of safety, tethered to a charger for at least an hour. In my trusty diesel I can "recharge" to another 450 miles range in 5 minutes, get the hell out of an uncomfortable situation and be 60 miles away by the time the EEEEVEEEE has finished buzzing on the spot. And we have the evil smart motorways (no hard shoulders) where you do not want to run out of gas...................
Yup spot on.
EV batteries met canadian winter in the form of edmonton, alberta city busses. advertised range 340 kms., winter range 117 kms... most of the fleet is off the road as they can't get parts, the manufacturer is in bankruptcy. great way for the city to blow $60 million though.
fffff, im even more north of that, on the other side of the planet though....
Woke madness on public money right there.
In the UK we have the requirement ALL chargers MUST allow you to use your Debit/Credit card contactless method of payment. NO need to use "an App"
Shame Australia is a bit behind the times...
And was the air con on? Just imagine the reduced range? No air con ... windows down ... increased drag and a car full of bugs.
Batteries don't like summer heat
No air con, just a straight up con.
It’s Cheaper to run aircon than have windows down on highways…I’m a fan of EVs in general, but it is pretty obvious to anyone who does their research that EVs aren’t designed to be efficient on highways and long trips. They won’t work for people wanting to tow or do long journeys. Not sure how this sort of thing is surprising to people.
I fully support you views and wish you were here in Canada to educate the EV victims of their mistake!
I suspect that western Canada has the same issues as the western USA in that there is a lot of distance between gas stations much less charging stations. I've had range anxiety in my ICE Jeep in parts of west Texas and the western parts of Nebraska and South Dakota.
EVs range issues are even worse in Canada because of the cold.
Try that ev in alberta today at -39C.
Should have enough charge to get to the corner store and back.
What a joke
Like I've said many times.
If the EV was a viable alternative form of transport, government wouldn't need legislation to force people into buying them.
The EV is a step backwards in transport, but they are a step towards removing cars from the masses.
Yep, they already showed us during the last 3-4 years what they see us as, cattle. No freedom, no liberty, no privacy, no country or nation or culture, nothing. Just a corporate people farm.
Australia isn't like Europe.....sparce public charging in Oz, relatively loads in Europe...also, it's a huge place with a very small populace...no money in creating a vast charging infrastructure for so few folk....pity, although local pollution isn't really an issue..virtue signalling isn't very important in that part of the world either, so this country will embrace fossil fuels for as long as possible..
@@williammillard687 you are telling me nothing.
I'm not American
I understand what the rest of the world is like.
I've been to Australia and New Zealand.
I think there's a place for EVs but I don't think they're ready for widespread use, until there's some huge improvements in battery technology.
I mean I wouldn't mid some public transport to solve the removing cars from the masses. I don't see a reason to own a car if public transit was a thing. But I live in a place where you couldn't get to a Walmart using public transit if you wanted to.
John, so does the NRMA come out for roadside assistance with a jerrycan of electrons to get you mobile???
They send an electric vehicle towing a diesel generator.....
Tow truck. Diesel I bet
Ha Ha Ha ha 😅😅😅
RAC has a van yes with a charher on it also cybertruck can charge other electric vehicles but the chances are a lot less than an ice car with a fuel gauge as the car has a computer analysing range constantly with range battery precentage left and messages will come up on the screen telling you to charge. you cant miss it.
Several times a year I do a road trip from my home in the middle of vacation land to the underarm of the east. The road trip is about 400 miles(643km) each way, I do this in a Golf TDI. My last trip I arrived and did several days worth of driving around. My total range on that trip was 550 miles and the warning light never came on. I asked my step brother if he'd be driving his dual motor Tesla to visit in the summer. He laughed at me, this was after telling me how range anxiety wasn't anything to worry about. I asked him why and he explained that it would take to long after having to recharge at least 3 times. There are no 220v outlets on the outside of homes where I live to charge, the 110v charger is basically for an emergency only. I looked it up later and it takes 62.5 hours to charge the battery according to Tesla.
I believe electric vehicles have their place and should take it. But, that place is as 2 seat grocery, commuter econo boxes. Tiny cars designed to get around a city, take you to and from work on local roads. EV's have no place as drag racers roaring from stop light to stop light and taking up valuable space on toll roads. A modern take on the fiat 500 without the famous Italian reliability and all the quirky design style. The idea that I'd spend over 30K$ (real money USD) on a 2 ton (fake units) EV makes me want to puke. Let alone the even more expensive versions of electric Jesus' so called cars. Modern EV's are more like mobile battery banks, that occasionally move people.
There needs to be also the added costs of all the extra food/coffee and snacks that are consumed while waiting for the car to charge…
I’m seeing a epidemic of overweight ev owners in the future because of this
which ironically reduces the range 😂😂
albeit just a bit.
What a shame she didn't do what 80% of EV drivers do and charge the car at home first. Sort of like filling your tank with fuel before going on a long trip in the morning (not many of us in the real world decide to drive between capital cities on a whim). Wouldn't have changed the world but would be a start towards doing your homework before embarking on a long trip.
Yep!
Have you thought it through??
She may very well used the vehicle returned home grabbed the kid and hit the road?
Yet another example of why battery cars are turds,
stop and wait penalties don't work in modern times.
Traveling costs include fuel/electricity used, time taken A to B, time to refuel/recharge, drinks, food, rest stops, fatigue, inconvenience and how long you are driving and at risk of an accident. People forget this when making vehicle purchasing decisions. Cheers
Exactly , and all those little compromises add up , and if you persist in owning an EV POS , its range will slowly diminish as time goes on , if we give it a total benefit of the doubt and even if it does not fail completely or even force you to replace the battery , those battery compromises with range , recharge points , inconvenience , extra cost , people also do not take into account how often on a trip you may have to divert or go the scenic route to find fill points making the trip even longer.
Its almost cruel if not amusing there are diesel DUVS out there that easily do a thousand k`s to a tank on a trip , and if you own something like a diesel mondeo , they have been known to do 1300 k`s to a tank on a trip ! musk .... electric messiah was bragging about his POS cyborg truck having a range of 350 kilometres if i remember correctly 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 , and i`m guessing thats best case scenario , and governments around the world are trying to mandate for us to buy this crap .
All i will say is , dont forget boys and girls , you are voters , if these politician pricks want to force this crap on us , let them know they will be soon unemployed !
I learned to do addition and subtraction way to many years ago in school. Given a petrol-car range approaching 1000 km, electrics just can't compete for long distance driving. And this is before any dodgy recharging experience, or security concerns. Good presentation!
With some state-mandated hypermiling on the Victorian side of the border (i.e. not exceeding 95km/h on the highway), I've driven my trusty petrol-powered VW Up from Adelaide to Melbourne on one 35 litre tank of 95RON, and still had a few litres left from my Adelaide fill when I topped up in Melbourne for the trip home.
This, along with the fact that most of its lifetime emissions happened years ago during its manufacture, means that my Up is greener than even the greenest EV you can think of. For a start there's no volatile cocktail of toxins strapped to the underside of the vehicle...
Plus, charging stations carry lots of valuable copper. I've seen instances in the US where charging stations have been rendered useless by some enterprising crooks cutting leads and decamping with kilos of copper...
Same thing here in the UK 🇬🇧
I think EV is the wrong term. I think it should be an RCV, Remote Combustion Vehicle.
Thanks John,I had already concluded my diesel patrol is a keeper.If I have to go to the city it's a train ticket,otherwise the Otto cycle starts every time and I can fill it with over a thousand km of "charge" at cruising speed.
My brother has a Tesla model Y and recently took a road trip from Santa Cruz California to Vancouver Island BC. He said the trip was effortless due to the model Y scheduling charging stops in realtime along with navigation instructions to the appropriate Tesla Superchargers
A 2011 Corolla has a Fuel Capacity of 55 litres. The Corolla averages around 6.5l/100 - so a 55 litre tank has a range of 846klms. Sydney to Melbourne is 878k's. The cost of fuel in NSW averaged 1.99 per litre in November. To travel the return trip would be about 114 litres @ a cost of $1.99 per litre - so $227 in fuel. So the Daily Mail story author that suggested $70 of fuel one way and $140 in total seems extremely low - it would mean about 4 litres per 100k's for a 12 year old Corolla. The Ioniq 5 seems to have a 73KwH battery - the DC charger in the car seems to be capable of 350Kw charging, so I would assume the constraint is the charger at the recharge station. Let's assume 75KwH charging rate. From my observations DC charging at a BP or similar is about 55c/KwH. To fully charge the Ioniq 5 from empty would be $40.15. From looking at some owner forums in cold conditions the Ioniq 5 would go 365klms at a constant 100-110klms per hour. So this would mean the Ioniq 5 would need nearly 5 full charges. This would mean that going from Sydney to Melbourne and back in the Ioniq 5 would be $200 or $27 less than the Corolla. This is also likely the worst case, it is more likely the Hundai was charged using a home charger before it left at say 32c/KwH - which would mean the trip was $173 in the Hyundai. I can definitely see the 3.5 hours of charging time. But, I think the numbers relating to cost are so wrong for the Corolla the story in the Daily Mail has little credibility.
You forgot to mention that theprice of each vehicle in this comparison if we were to try and replicate both car scenarios. This seriously needs to be taken into consideration when looking at replicating the two car scenarios. 2011 Toyota Corolla = $ 12 - $18K vs 2022/23 Hyunda Ionic $65-$85K. Also a regional servo charging point would not charge you at a 55c/KwH charge rate.
Yeah i had trouble with the fuel costs
A comment full of assumptions with no credibility.
Peace Happiness ✌️ good Sir
Daily Mail and credibility in the same sentence; now there is a first.
@@TradArcherDownunder - at least all my assumptions are clearly defined. And assumptions that are clearly defined are fine; they are there to be proven right or wrong. Yet you have not offered either.
John, I notice that, in a recent article, the IEEE is trying to do a "nothing to worry about" job over EV fires. I would love to hear your take on that.
Yeahh I saw an article that quoted ICE cars ans having about 1350 fires /100,000 vs only 24 /100,000 for EVs.
Trying to counter the EV fire issue. Smelled like EV propaganda to me. Once you've had a whiff, you can smell it coming like burning brakes on a truck.
I read this article on the weekend and wondered if you'd pick it up. It's a very realistic view of what country dwellers would face if forced to go electric. Almost all of my driving is long distance, and I like to get there as soon as possible, not drag it out for another few hours.
Hi John,
I drove from Sydney (Penrith) to Queensland (Mt Isa) last Friday.
I started driving at 17:40, & around 03:30, Saturday morning, I decided to pull over in a rest area located between Nyngan & Cunnamulla. I am of Pacific Island descent & can look after myself quite well during most 'hairy' situations... but I was scared to pull over in that rest area, out in the middle of no where. I can only imagine the thoughts & worries this lady must have felt... a really important point of discussion youve highlighted here John.
Violent cowards do triage, and select the best potential victims.
I know several people with EV's who travel around a fair bit and have never had an issue
Well then they must be awesome in all situations! Come on. His point was that you have to understand the limitations of EV's and have to think about them differently. They are NOT ready to replace ICE cars.
That is brilliant!👍
You know several people how does that relate to the facts here??
@@0Aus sometimes I think he's over the top in his ev bashing. The infrastructure is catching up and EV's definitely have their place
@@joecoolioness6399 Never said they are great in all situations. I just think the alarmist attitude to EV'S is over the top amd as I said I know a few people who love their EV'S that do a fair bit of travelling and have never had an issue
@@kieranworland8662 reporting facts with a smile on his face is far from bashing battery cars.
Yep no doubt they have a place?
Did he say they don't?
As for infrastructure catching up as you put it.
If you actually opened you eyes in rural Australia you would understand that isn't happening.
The power network barely does the little needed. Then there is the areas with out any at all.
Might I suggest instead of having a go at work people do you could brush up on the reality of it all before talking nonsense.
Have a great day.
I was shocked to hear it's illegal to carry any form of self defense. My wife will not go on any road trip alone without her sidearm exactly for the reasons that poor reporter went through. Thankfully those three men who know that didn't take advantage of that potentially awful situation. And to have to charge every 220 miles? Wow.
Cricket bat and make sure u have a ball and glove with it. Pigs have to prove it wasnt for sport.
It might be illegal, and I might not have a pistol in my car, but in my vehicles tool kits are helpful tools. Like a hammer. And a small hatchet. And a wheel spanner. And a Stanley Knife.
Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6, is my reasoning.
It's illegal to carry any weapon... and self defence is not a way around that. But there is some way around it if you can plausibly argue the item wasn't a weapon. Knives in the right circumstances might be legal. Sling shots are... well depends on the state, but I think legal, I guess because you can use them not as a weapon.
@@partymanau Three against one with a bat is still scary.But you're right, it's better than nothing.
In my state it's not illegal and we have Constitutional carry. I never leave the house without mine, and hope I never have to use it. But like your tools, it's good to have if you need it.@@TheWombat2012
It's not a challenge when driving the only brand in Australia that has an established charging network. No stuffing around with payment cards, apps, cables. You just drive in, plugin, and go.
Still not everywhere yet though.
Just rented a Tesla Model Y Long Range for a 600km road trip. It was an amazing vehicle. Incredible performance, state of the art sound system and other tech and it virtually drives itself. Charging was extremely easy at the two Tesla superchargers. Oh, and I saved $60 in fuel.
This is such FUD. I drove Brisbane to Toowoomba and back (with detours) in a BYD Atto 3 and didn't charge once! Why do people continue to use legacy auto EVs as representative of all EVs when Teslas and BYDs make up 3/4 of the entire market?? The EVIE chargers at Sutton Forrest work with a EVIE card without WI-FI - no mention of that fact in either the article or video. Similarly, there are Tesla superchargers at Campbelltown, Sutton Forrest, Yass, Gundagai, Albury/Wadonga and soon Marulan! Plus Ampol has chargers at Pheasants Nest. This experience is not common and merely highlights the newbie challenges and rookie mistakes. Do better!
definately, i did a 270km trip to wineries charged for 20 mins on arrival at the local woolies while doing a shop for supplies for the motel then drove around the wineries and that night charged from the accomodation to 100% then drove straight home next day after lunch no hassle at all.
Cost of charging "en-route" will get worse as more people take up the EV challenge. Competition for a not infinite resource and all that.
As the need for amp-ants increases, so will the need for more generation, more transmission infrastructure (and desperately needed upgrades to what we have). So the already expensive electricity to the home and business will also go up... a lot.
There's already considerable stress on household budgets, families with two incomes are already having to decide between food, mortgage(rent) or electricity, it's going to get much worse.
But if you can afford a new vehicle, esp an EV, then you're probably doing OK, and like the proverbial "Jack" just don't give one shyte if anyone else is struggling.
Saw a recent issue from "Geoff buys cars" where his mate (in a Porsche EV) had very similar issues, in England, with no-where near the same distances involved.
Any increases in electricity prices due to increased demand from EVs should be placed on EV owners. In the US these heavy EVs are tearing up the roads yet don't pay the fuel tax used to fix the roads.
Plus I also factored into that video that there is the cost of food and drink whilst Lee was waiting for his EV to charge, as most chargers tend to have a Starbucks or other ridiculous price coffee outlet next to them.
Also the generation will have to be between the cities.
John, a little bit of digging you may find the charger at the Ampol in Tarcutta may very well be powered by a diesel generator.
Who knows 😊
You’re right I drive from Brissy to Melb once or twice every couple of years…did it once in a car…never again…do it on a motorcycle…beautiful.
Another brilliant vid John.🫶✌️🙏🏴
In Victoria you can carry a knife if its for a recreational/sport use.
That's why I'm a keen fisherman and always have a rod in the car 👍
And a baseball and glove!
There's about 20 knives in my ute of varying lengths and sharpness. Also a tomahawk, axe, and battery powered chainsaw. I keep it outfitted for bush camping. Sometimes the tomahawk is tucked into my belt. The nanny state can go and get.....
Very well said JC. Working in the regions in the emergency services this sort of issue with EV’s is common. Over the holiday period we see families and some very vulnerable people forced to wait hours just to charge. This is in all sorts of weather conditions and with some people with medical conditions etc that really should be continuing straight to their destinations. I have attended more than one person that was dehydrated or unwell but with very little or no charge and just could not keep moving. EV’s are not a perfect solution for a country like Australia.
Regional charging logistics for example the WA government building an “electric highway” from Eucla to Kununurra (5000 + km) with 98 chargers at 49 locations.
Wow that’s really going to make a massive difference in a state with ~ 2.3 million registered vehicles and some suggest they must all be EV. If you guess 1hr of charging per session, the EV highway can charge 2352 vehicles per 24 hour period or roughly 0.1% of the fleet / day.
Yes EV won’t be working regionally for decades and are only feasible if you only commute and home charge.
It’s a bloody joke how far behind Australia is.
Also, petrol stations are usually manned unlike many charging stations.
Such a sexist term...
Like 'manhole'.
Mankind.
Manmade.
Manned space flight.
@@AutoExpertJC Don't forget WoMan. Even their gender cannot escape the sexism.
@@AutoExpertJC Mannequin, but in all fairness, most of them are gender neutral.
@@AutoExpertJC Owner's manual.
Most people think that travel in an EV is free. The electricity they use isn't. I reckon that it is pretty obvious that more than 2000kg of Ironic 5 is going to require more energy to get to Melbourne than a 1400kg Corolla.
It's "free" if you have your own solar.... of course not many have that, and installing it is expensive. And naturally it doesn't get you to Melbourne.
It's never free, But for us it's about 10% compared to the cost of petrol or diesel.
It might be free ATM, do you really think they're going to let it continue if more EV's are on the road? They will think of a tax to get their money from society..
@@hobo1704Already are, They want to charge per km in some states, There is no free lunch!
Not free, but almost free :) last 12 months of charging stats: 17,500 km driven last for $165.
I began contemplating this issue in the late sixties, as we, the US, were regaled with the prospect of "EV's" at that time with the latest new battery technology which I subsequently worked with in helicopter batteries in the US Marines. I retired in 97, our choppers still using the exact same ni-cad batteries they used in 76 when I entered active service. In the sixties, fast charging ni-cads vastly reduced the total charge, relative to electronically sequenced controlled charging and also denigrated overall longevity. This is simply a factor of "battery chemistry" the natural of chemical reactions, and not something that will ever change with "batteries". The use of "capacitors" was suggested as possible way back then, but so far, no success in replacing chemistry with electrolytic capacity has ever been achieved. If there is a "light at the end of the tunnel" I would suggest it's the headlight of the oncoming train.
Always great info in your videos and Kudos on the Skunk Works t-shirt!
Long live the Internal Combustion Engine!
Don't worry - it'll be here for decades.
Agree , EV s should be a choice and they wont suit everyone.
Imagine it's 5 min to midnight, and child strapped into the back seat. Then the charge/car catches fire.
Douse the child in a dilute mixture of either beer and flour or milk and flour and you have battered child. Works for women, too, I've been told.
Jump back through this site to where John is ALL praising of the EV. In that show he drove one down from Sydney to wherever and constantly salivated over the range it got. Amazing how fast this guy turns on sponsors.
Extra evidence may cause a change of opinion - nothing wrong with that.
I was agog to get a new EV a year ago but I will be sticking with my diesel for trips and my Holden Cruze for my daily commute thanks to the battery issues, the expense of purchase and the looming insurance hikes. No financial sense and also having to install a home charging point adds to the financial disincentive. And enroute EV charging has blown out in costs to the point that there is no point. John is just reflecting what a lot of people think after the shiny honeymoon phase is over.
Recently did a road trip from Sydney to Adelaide and back in a Stinger GT. An EV buff asked if I would consider an EV6, but there’s no way it could have done the same trip. The stinger managed on the longer runs over 700km to a tank, and I don’t remember seeing any ev charging stations on our return leg via Broken Hill and central NSW. Even if there were it would have severely slowed our trip down (from an already long trip) and reduced/removed our freedom to explore off the beaten track.
Deserve all you get taking one out of town ... charging and all that goes with it like no spare wheel.
so buy a spare for out of metro area drives ?
I subscribed to John, because he convinced me the MG ZS EV was a good purchase! I still think it is 👍
It is. It depends on the usage case.
Hope the heavy EV version is smoother than the petrol MG rental I had recently. Suspension crudity there made my 10 year old Skoda feels like it was riding on an air cushion.
I think as John said “you get what you pay for”. I traded in a 2010 ford ranger as I didn’t need the double toll cost. I like my MG, maybe a bit on the small size but a comfortable drive by my standards. I charge once a week off a standard 240volt plug and it does me just fine. Next service Feb 2025, tyres the following year.
John speaking of usage looking at the times of charging do you think any other EV driver will ever charge back up to 100% 130k out of town or charge up to 100% just before getting home? Why intentionally waste time? Shouldn't you explain how to optimise your time driving between Syd and Melbourne? Do you think this journalist intentionally wasted time or just didn't know? @@AutoExpertJC
Hi John. I’m just home after a five day 1700 km round trip from the Blue Mountains to the Mid North Coast, across to Moree and home via Coonabarabran and Mudgee in an MG ZS. Left Springwood with a full tank, topped up in Stuarts Point and Moree and arrived home in Springwood with a bit less than a quarter of a tank left. Refuelling took ten minutes and the only other stops were for rest and meal breaks. I don’t think I could have done that trip in the same time in an electric vehicle given the current state of regional charging infrastructure. Maybe in a few hears, but not now.
100% spot on, as per usual.