This is why people don't buy EVs...it's just not good enough !
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- As part of my 3 week test of the new Audi e-tron Sportback I needed to do a long journey that would require a midway stop to charge. That sounds fairly easy right ?! However it turned out to be far from easy and very frustrating. If people are going to buy EVs in large numbers charging infrastructure needs to be improved, maintained better and integrated into the SatNav far better !
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That journey seemed bloody hard work
It is all advertising propaganda lies. No one is buying EV except naïve first timers woke women,
When I was working, I regularly drove over 500 miles in a day, easy. Electric cars are a fraud.
It sounds utterly insane to me that any one would invite this level of stress into their lives today. At least thats how I view it and always have since their inception.
driving is stress enough in this country without the added nonsense of looking for non existent chargers.
Spot on.
I retrograde step. in my opinion.
100% right. A colleague of mine had me visit his city, Istanbul, in his i3. We ended up super stressed stopping in several malls in search of a charger, it was really stressful. Finally we found one when the car had 5 Kms left. Man it was a terrible experience!
Are you not stressed about upsetting Greta?
I bought an EV in September 2020 and had to take it back in January 2021 as the range was so crap - I was getting less than 100 miles range on a full charge! I exchanged it for a petrol car and now I'm happy again :-)
must have been a terrible EV, majority of decent EV's get over 200... some can get over 300
@@DreadpirateflappyYep, it must have been a terrible EV, due to the fact that 100% of them are a terrible scam.
What vehicle was it?
@@ObiePaddles it was a Skoda Citigo.
I won't be getting an EV until I absolutely have to !!
If the cost of electric putting you of - TURN YOUR FRIDGE FREEZER OFF l turned mine off rat out mostly dont need it. My Electric Bills for 20 years had been £260, £370, now: *£16, £24* wow!!!
I COULD NOT BELIEVE IT learnt my lesson now!
*Try it one month thank me later!*
Get a motorcycle instead!
Get an older car , classic . No Tax , use alternative fuels and NO TECH to control your journeys travel plans or stop you in any way ! Avoid the fascists of the net 0 Cabal.
You won’t have to get one bud. What they really mean is Europe won’t be manufacturing diesel & petrol cars after 2040, but China, USA, & the rest of the world will. Diesel & petrol cars will not suddenly disappear because EV cars are trash🤔
Ditto. Funny thing is, you try having this debate and mentioning these issues with the EVangelists and they won't have it! Mate of mine paid over £30k for a Mercedes Vito EV van and sent it back because it couldn't get it to do over 70 miles without needing charging, and that was in the summer. YT is full of videos that talk about these range and charging issues, yet pro-EV people seem to think we're making it up.
I’ll never complain waiting for someone at a pump again!
Same i'll never complain about the REAL WORLD 30 SECONDs charging again. Faster than going to Petrol Station. (At Home & Work).
@@Neojhun yeah that’s great if you have those available, not so great when you don’t 👍
@@lewisvincent7479 An issue that certainly needs to be addressed. Have a look at what the Norwegians are doing to solve this issue. By the way, any city light pole can be easily fitted to accommodate one or more charging points.
then they go shopping in the petrol station and come out with 5 bags
@@steve00alt70 Lots of Chargers are at Shopping Malls. Petrol Stations are kind of not the optimal location in the city. You want somewhere that has lots of amenities and dozens of car parking spaces already. That only makes sense with DC Fast Chargers at Country side intercity Service Stations & Truck Stops for road trips.
The saving on fuel will be spent on coffees and sandwiches at service stations.
There was no saving on fuel - about 90 miles on £18 - even a big audi diesel would be cheaper.
No to mention putting on weight.lol.
That’s the problem, can’t get enough charge at home where prices are more reasonable. Get done at the ‘fast’ chargers.
I’ve driven Glasgow to Nottingham many times. Most I’ve ever stopped for us 10mins for a comfort break and pick up a drink. In that Audi it would be an extra 2 hours journey time and probably more in fuel (although I accept potentially a bit greener)
I own an EV and I can't disagree
@@richardhardaker It’s the problem with some rapid charging companies. Don’t look at Ionity at about 70p a kwh! Tesla are fair at 25p per kwh. Anything cheaper than that is a bonus.
He makes a great point about the infrastructure. Why can we just do away with apps and registering with multiple companies. Each charge point should just use debit and credit card like every gas station we currently use.
It will need to happen
It's putting me off at the moment
They need to know who you are and if you have a legitimate reason for making the journey.
Standard chargers and standard plugin would also make life a lot easier. And Imagine if you had turned up at the charger and someone just beat you to and you had to wait 58 minutes for them to charge, then 58 minutes for you to charge. Ridiculous.
@@tooyoungtobeold8756 Too soon to standardise, innovation is required at this stage. Standardisation will come when the best system wins.
Do you not have smart payment solutions in the UK? Then it is required that the companies use these as well
I got fuel anxiety just watching you. I drive across Europe every year and could not imagine doing that in an EV.
Also get disappointed if I don’t get 600 miles per tank.
Interesting stuff, I do similar, a few Europe trips a year including down to the balkans. I get the feeling that over time this will be made more and more difficult and expensive to do.
But you will have to, eventually. The journey, across Europe, will take you several hours extra, as you spend valuable time charging your EV.
I drove from London - Hungary in a BMW ev, had huge anxiety due to my experience with chargers in the UK but the truth is, infrastructure in Europe is much better then here and I've never had an issue charging. It was as easy and predictable to charge the car as I remember it with my previous diesel - meaning if I was running low on a charge, I could just stop at whatever the next rest station was and charge the car. That is not the case in the UK
@@JSR_Design I have a petrol car, it has about the same range as a half-decent EV (I get about 240 miles per tank). The difference is I can put full-range back in in about 5 minutes!
Thousands (maybe millions) of people live in a mid terraced house with no driveway (me included). Rarely can I park outside my house. We all going to need an 80ft charging cable draped halfway down the street.
An that why they are installing them inside streets lights and even just on the side of the road.
Can you imagine all the trip hazards with all the cables connecting all the cars in the streets. The health and safety people will be working overtime, and the injury claims will be through the roof.
By the time EVs are the majority of cars sold, you will be able to charge at malls and grocery stores.
Same here i live in a mid terrace house and often have to park 3 roads away and not near a lamp post etc.
@@carlb401 Terraced houses will possibly need new laws passed to give each house their own parking space in front of the house, but will the charging point be on the kerb ? they will need to be vandal proof.
This EV idea is going to cause a big change in how our streets look because eventually every house will need a charging point. I hate to think what will happen in conservation areas when applying to fit a charging point into the walls. what will happen where there is a flat above shops in historic streets ?
I can already imagine the fights at loading stations alongside the summer travel routes ...
Where I live we are luckily enough to have 2 50kw fast chargers, I can see arguments occurring when a slower charging vehicle (7kw) blocks a faster charging vehicle from charging. I was considering an electric vehicle but as I am a one vehicle household it didn’t make sense at this point.
Love a good honest real world review. No sugar coating. Cheers from Alberta🇨🇦
Thanks 🙏🏻
A very interesting story and one that reconfirms my own concerns over EV. Your point about the type of driving the eTron might be expected to make is very well made. As a point over your Shell station having just one EV charger and 8 or 10 pumps, just imagine how well petrol/diesel would work if those 8/10 pumps might be occupied for an hour? It’s not just 1 v 8 or 10 ‘charge points’, but 45-60 mins v 5 mins occupation of a ‘charge point’. AND of course, this is suddenly injecting an hour+ into your journey as there is not only charge time, but finding the location and possibly waiting on the charger. And while breaks might be good, being REQUIRED to sit around for an hour possibly in the car with a take-out coffee is not the height of relaxation … and of course the stop time/location is ‘enforced’ based on charge requirements
There is technology there with some manufacturers where your empty battery can be automatically swapped out for a fully charged one in 5 minutes. Pretty much the same time it takes to fuel an ICE and pay. The question is the same with the existing EV, is the infrastructure going to be there to support it. Right now, there are a lot of competing technologies in the EV marketspace..... and who knows who will win?
Swapping batteries means many times more batteries being made than cars and there is already a shortage of some raw materials as well as requiring extensive facilities at swap points and a team of mechanics and technicians to run them
It seems to create even more problems than simply charging and what if your particular battery is not available and there are no charging facilities
That’s the end of that journey
@@Paul99T, as @anthonykenny1320 points out, 'battery swaps' require more batteries, but more than that, it would mean that all cars would need to use compatible packs of the same dimensions and connection type. That clearly isn't going to work as a Leaf isn't going to be capable for taking a similar sized pack to some larger LR vehicle. So now the 'swap station' is going to need a variety of packs of different types.
Then let's not forget someone would need to own these 'free-circulation' batteries. You're unlikely to give up your new well-cared-for battery pack for goodness knows what they next time you needed an in-transit swap only to later find it is in poor condition.
And swaps in bad weather? if the packs are inside the car, you unload the car to fit the pack? If it's hung under the car then rain and snow? Wet cars and road spray won't work well with externally exposed connection points. The engineering challenge would be considerable. I very much doubt swappable packs with 5 min 'drive in, swap and drive off' service will ever see the light of day
@@Paul99T if i had an electric car that cost me £100k and you could just do a battery swap . Would i be happy to swap my brand new Audi battery that would cost me £30 k to replace for just any old battery that could be worn out chipped knackered faulty or whatever .im not so sure how id view things then ..
The two biggest obstacles to electric cars where I live are purchase price, charging for apartment dwellers, and charge time. At this point, in 2021, the prospect of a reasonably priced EV is nowhere in sight.
most cheap ones like the Renault zoe have rubbish range, the only small one that could have somewhat decent range is the new tesla next year, though we will have to see
That's three obstacles.
@@abritishguy7295 but then fusion will come out and we will have fusion powered cars and that will make EVs so cheap we will have one just like buy drones and get sick of it an put it in the back of the closet.
@@nasigoreng553 no we won't even if we got a fusion reactor working today it would be decades before fusion reactors are commonplace at the least, and it would have to be minimised to smaller than car sized to be used in that case which probably won't even happen in this century
The biggest obstacle to EVs today are all the sanctimonious idiots going around pretending like people with range/charge anxiety are just dumb dinosaurs and we should all get with the program because everything's just fine. So we're down to 3 charging port/plug standards now (YAY!), but now we have 3 DOZEN charging networks, and each requires an app, a sign up, sharing of payment details, verification, etc. And when you're in the middle of nowhere, at midnight, and need a charge, how do you find the closest charger? Open a random app and hope for the best, hope it's up to date? And then sit there for an hour, crossing your fingers that it's a good neighbourhood?
1) Affordability 2) Number of charge stations 3) Time to charge....Basically that’s what’s holding me back.
So get a Tesla. 1. relatively affordable, well according to American standards anyway 2. Plenty of charge stations 2. Super fast charging.
Now stop it, you are making too much sense. Get rid of your gasoline powered carbon footprint now.
@@nelsonc6173 Not affordable, a Toyota Corolla is affordable.
Nope ...turn off fridge freezer used to cost me £380 per bill now £18 each bill... 😀
@@nelsonc6173 Need to save LOTS of money? Just turn off fridge freezer used to cost me £380 per bill now £18 each bill... 😀
Yes, is so stressful to make any long trip with EV... Keep worrying about getting charged.
Even if you arrive at the charger there's no guarantee you will get charged, ie, charger is not there, someone else is using them, broken charger, app and card does not work, etc
At the price per KW/hr on a public charger I'd be worrying !!. Did the calcs and no thanks !!!
I had to make a 240 mile journey in my Diesel VW Caddy recently but thankfully a full tank gave me a range of 360 stress free miles. 🤔
And, even if you had to refuel, count on just 5-7 minutes - not 1 to 2 hours. haha
I fuel up diesel Ute's and tractors on the weekend. The fuel pumps in at one litre a second or less. So that's approximately one minute for 63 litres. The boss asked me to quickly fuel his Toyota SR5 as he had to rush out to quote a job. It took one minute. The job was 100ks away, no stress.
There would be nothing worse for me than having to plan in extra "hours" for stops to charge the car. Once I set off for my destination, I'm off and do not like to stop as much as possible.
How often do you drive over 200 miles in one go?
Over 90% of a daily dive for an average driver is 50 - 60 km in a day.
Treat yourself if your EV is going to require multiple charges and you just can't wait, rent a luxury gas car for the hell of it.
@@IMGreg.. They could buy a car with a range above 200 miles. That way you don't have to spend all day charging.
@@Ryooken True dat.
That's the killer in rural North and South America.
Longer daily average drives.
@@IMGreg.. That's why Tesla shares will remain a good long term investment for at least the next 2-3 years, especially when the big rig semis and home energy storage thing properly takes off.
@@IMGreg.. Those petrol guys don't have a blader or stomach. They are super humans that can drive 400 miles in one go, no need to rest or go to the toilet or eat. They are tough guy.
Faster charging, universal charging standards, and better charging station logistics are exactly the things that worry me about jumping in to the EV deep end. Especially if you have kids, no one wants to be stuck at a charging station for an HOUR with as 2 year old lol
You don't like kids, do you?
@@joeking433 That made me chuckle
The high cost of these things coupled to their impracticality means that people will simply hang onto their ICE vehicles. Look no further than Cuba. When the US slapped on a total trade embargo, they had to keep the old Yank tanks going and they are still going today.
Modern cars are very well built and are only scrapped because they become uneconomic to repair. Now they will become economic to repair because there is no viable option and consequently, will last much, much longer. I have a 2016 Skoda which I have no plans to replace, a 1990 Discovery and a 2003 Discovery. They are not going anywhere either. The early Disco is brilliant because it has no electronics at all so is utterly reliable.
As he states, you really need a battery that will give you at least 250 miles of range, and a home charging station. With that you will do 99% of your charging at home and on an overnight trip, charging at your destination. I have had a Hyundai Kona EV for 21 months and only used public charging twice, both times to "try it out" to prove to my "range anxious" wife that we could actually operate a public charger.
My Kona advertises 258 miles of range. For 3 seasons I have actually gotten over 350 miles of actual travel. In mid-winter I get about 225 to 230 miles of range. $0 Maintenance in almost 2 years. Tire rotations and cabin filter replacement covered by dealer.
Several hours in many cases, and that's just to wait for a free charger. I bet bank holiday weekends are fun when there are twice as many cars on the road fighting for the same number of chargers.
Here in Shenzhen, there are charging locations everywhere. Walmart has about 50 200A chargers in the car park. Every taxi here is electric and so the infrastructure is being put in. You need some!
Bro China is a leader in most technologies these days. Although I think China is corrupt at the top. The people at the bottom are some of the least corrupt and nicest people making the country excel.
No we don't !
Great video as always. You have highlighted why I could never go the EV route. We are a very long way from making them viable in this country unless you use it just for going to the shops and charge it at home. It's not cheap but when I fill the 100l tank on my diesel Porsche Cayenne any range anxiety fades away.....
never been in a petrol station long enough for it to go dark!
Let’s face it. You don’t want to go to some service stations at night either unless it’s urgent.
He He You should have had some of the cars I've had....
Oddly enough, I've not been in a petrol station for about 18 months. Ever since I got my Kia eNiro in fact..........
And he forgot the obligatory some time later transition between day and night
pulled up in my old leaf to find a tesla sitting in a charge spot. the tesla graciously moved as I was nearly out and he just asked that I give him a shout after I moved so he could pop back in it. he said he always followed the ABC.....Always Be Charging. thanks Mr Tesla
If paying for the electric puts you off TURN YOUR FRIDGE FREEZER OFF l turned mine off! Bills for 20 years had been £280, £380 when the next bill came it was: *£16, £24*
I COULD NOT BELIEVE IT learnt my lesson now!
*Try it one month thank me later*
Let me get this straight. You have spent the best part of two hours waiting for the battery to charge, on top of which you have spent oodles of cash a rip-of-prices waiting.
Only snowflakes are daft enough to fall for this nonsense. Emperors's New Clothes springs to mind!
My EV was £24,000 (MG5 exclusive) and probably 98 percent of my charging is done at home. On a regular 200 mile run I have probably have 6 alternatives for a stop of ten minutes, and even that is a precautionary stop and it's in a selection of nice places to stop.
You do have to learn how to use the charging networks in a way you should not have to. You have to learn which one to avoid, which ones to go for and to always have a back up.
On a recent 350 mile run it was no big deal, I stopped twice in 6 hours for about 30 minutes which was fine by me.
Yes it would have been quicker with an ICE car but that ICE car is absolutely inferior to my EV in every way when it comes to my daily motoring.
I don't think I'm a snowflake or that the car is nonsense.
@@mikebreen2890 I think the MG ZS is about (1st gen) as close to sensible pricing as I've seen for a SUV sized EV.
Sadly, I've heard a few stories now that if you're involved in an accident, the spare parts and repair turn around time for the MG EV's is dreadful
@@stuartburns8657 My MG5 was one of the last 4 53kw they had in stock before the newer 62kw version came out so they wanted them gone. I believe list was over £28,000 so when I was offered one for £24,000 I was interested. Knowing they don't give much for a PX I never asked what they would give me for my Leaf, then he offered more than I paid for it! Deal done.
I think spare parts in the case of a problem is a genuine concern because it's a relatively unusual car, I did think about that. But, as I'm not a car reliant person I decided this was a risk that I could take.
@@mikebreen2890 seems like a wise choice Mike. My Wife is in the NHS, snd most Nissan dealers knock a couple of K off believe it or not.
Still, I feel obliged to wait until our main ICE is paid off in a couple of years before potentially taking another serious look.
Unfortunately at the moment it would just take another couple of hundred away from the family budget, even factoring in recent fuel increases
Happy motoring
I have absolutely no desire to get involved with this utter stupidity.
I’m sticking to my VW Diesel Golf estate until either of us are no longer fit for the road.
Pull into one of many thousands of petrol stations, no wait, fill your tank, flash your credit/debit card and away you go.
You don’t arrive in daylight and leave in the dark.
So.... Overpriced cars, poor charging infrastructure and in some cases, poorly maintained charging points.... Nope, not for me thank you 😊
As a 25k-30k a year driver visiting multiple sites I think it’s going to be a while before I’ll be investing in an EV.
The cars themselves seem good but they seem some way ahead of the infrastructure of the moment.
Parking apps are infuriating enough, multiple charging apps would drive me to distraction. Needs a much more joined up approach to the whole network to replace the convenience of filling up at a petrol station.
Dare we hope infrastructure catches up by 2030........?
I'm getting a Skoda Superb hybrid Estate as a first step until things improve
But. Boris the clown wants all electric by 2030. Ok Boris you can have it, but if not possible YOU pay £20million for lying .
@@robertwillis4061 he’s filled people with false promises from the start, this is just another one of his pipe dreams that won’t happen
@@peterbarber8053 Since when has the infrastructure preceded uptake of the product? In the early days of the car, say 10 years in (as we are will EV's), fuel was bought from the chemist in small containers. people seem to forget that the network of fuel stations didn't just happen. It will be the same for EV's. It is unrealistic to expect a comprehensive public charging network to be installed before people start buying the vehicles. Until then there is the national grid, for those with off street parking.
What'd it be like on a bank holiday weekend? "Staycation" will take on a new meaning when sitting in the queues.
Theres never a bank holiday queue at my wall charger on the outside of my house.
They have them in Norway too. Over 50% of new cars sold are fully electric and I don't see queues. Mind you with Tesla sticking in charging sites with thirty or forty charging stations in them all over the place, it shows how it can be done.
Great video, you succeeded 100% in persuading me internal combustion is the only way. What a chore ev is, I had no real idea.
Eventually EV will have a built in diesel generator to charge up the battery. Its a very obvious solution.
😀 Thank you for putting up such an informative "reality" video 🙂 I got stressed just watching all hurdles and hoops you were navigating around with this EV! It’s extremely clear to me that my lifestyle of call out engineer, carer and problem solver couldn’t cope with the daft idea of charge times and waiting around. Looks like I’ll be staying with less stressful liquid fuels! Thanks for such a helpful video 😀👍
The time you took to nearly get there I would have driven 60 miles
Great video with so many truths. For my wife's car I can see the benefits, charger at home the little runabout and so on. For the family car, forget it, I can tow a large caravan several hundred miles without having to worry about having the heater on! Pretty much stop where I want, when I want, get a coffee and fill up with enough fuel for another 600 miles in the time it takes to stretch and drink that coffee!
If you drove forward 100 miles and then reverse all the way home would that recharge the battery?
In Sweden, almost all charging stations are next to petrol stations, probably because petrol stations make more money on food and drinks than fuel these days. Makes the charging stop a lot more pleasant.
Nope. The reason why petrol stations or gas stations have EV Charging Station is because the EV car manufacturers pays the oil companies to subsidized Charging Stations. Hell IF I was the owner of a small Chevron or Shell gas station in LA California, why would I build a charging station for Electric cars? Right? That charging station will add to my cost to run my business!
@@craftsmantrucker6867 You're mixing things up. Most EV chargers are not "built" or financed by the petrol stations, the station parent company simply allows the EV charging companies to use their land because very few drivers will charge their car for 30-60 minutes without buying something in the petrol station. In Europe, petrol and diesel are so heavily taxed that the petrol companies have quite small profit margins on fuel. The biggest station chain in Sweden (CircleK) doesn't even describe itself as a petrol station chain on wikipedia but as a convenience store chain. Petrol stations know that EVs will take over eventually, they have to embrace change.
@@MMM18092 no you're wrong dude. your statement is a disinformation probably you just got that from the fake news mainstream medias. It is you that don't know about it My uncle owns a small Arco Gas Station in Riverside CA right along the Freeway Interstate. And he told me he's not gonna spend a little fortune on hiring contractors to build charging stations in his gas station No way. Do you know how much is that little fortune cost?? I'm talking about 80 grand and fortune cookie doesn't cost that much. Besides spending on charging station, labor cost, materials and maintenance. He's also gonna have to pay for the electric utility, another added cost instead of he's making money more cost and more taxes and that will be the bad thing to put him out of business.
@@craftsmantrucker6867 we’re talking different countries and completely different business settings. Where I live, almost no gas stations are privately owned, they are all owned by big corporations who can afford the investments. I wish your uncle all the best, he’s probably got another 10-15 years of lucrative petrol business ahead of him.
Wow, that's a real eye opener for someone like me who is very keen to get an electric car in 2022. Hopefully the infrastructure will be constantly improving and evolving. I mean, having to have all those EV charging apps on your phone is mental!!
I think it was fairly obvious from the start that electric cars would be an absolute pain in the neck.
I would give a lift to any motorist stuck along the road, but I will not lift an EV driver. Let them walk.
Ok, you’ve convinced me, I’m not bothering with an EV.
You will be driving one soon, if you want to keep driving that is.
@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 ev cars are just a stop gap . Government will soon charge hese cars per mile because of lost revenue.
@@neilwiddison6529 ‘A stop gap’....I think not. ICE sales are falling fast while BEV and PHEV sales are rising rapidly. What we are seeing is the classic technology adoption curve when something better replaces the existing. Colour TV replaces B&W, iPods replacing Walkman’s....Governments will only encourage the change as they are committed to clean up the environment and get off fossil fuels which are the cause of so much conflict. Burning dinosaur juice in an engine now seems disgusting to me...pumping YOUR filthy car fumes into MY air.....many European cities have already banned diesels, petrol cars will follow. The oil companies need to invest more in wind and solar power and EV charging points. In Europe they are starting to do that but of course there isn’t so much money in it as drilling, pumping and refining crude. Governments will have to find a way to recover lost tax revenues but this will hit all motorists equally, the more you use the roads, the more you should pay...so a distance based charge is one way of doing it.
@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 the entire planet has more than a billion fossil fuel cars. if governments try to aggressively ban gas cars in a short amount of time then all i can say to them is "good luck lol"
@@ockertoustesizem1234 FYI, The entire planet has 1.4 billion light duty vehicles (cars and vans)...when I got the e-Niro in 2019 there were 3 million EVs on the roads of planet earth...by the end of this year, there will be 30 million, by end decade somewhere in the region of 200 to 300 million...you can see the way this is going? It will take 2 decades but by 2045 I will be surprised if there are many fossil fuel cars left on the roads.
Totally with you, I have zero interest in dealing with this shenanigans
Then don't buy a BEV with 150 miles of range in the cold. This is just an ICE Audi Q6 with electric guts stuffed into it. As of 2021 purpose designed BEVs should do over 250 miles in this weather. Note that is good chunk lower than many EPA range ratings. Making this drive very easy especially if you can top up charge at your destination to have a surplus when driving back home.
Buy a new really expensive car and have to change your whole lifestyle for the privilege, No Thanks.
@@tracer1127 WRONG. Buy a stupid horribly designed car and deal with the headaches. Same applies to Petrol or Diesel lemons. This is why you don't build a BEV on a Diesel / Petrol Chassis.
So have I. Which is why I charge my car up while I'm in bed asleep. I rarely undertake trips longer than 60 to miles from my home, so my Kia works perfectly for me.
Don’t get too technical with your argument against EVs
Public charging is still a nightmare. We need legislation, firstly, contactless payment. No more silly apps and rfid cards.
In Australia we have over 18 months wait for a RAV 4 Hybrid. I put an order in for a Qashqai E Power July 2022. Because the Qashqai is now the UK's top selling car and is manufactured there, none for Australia before late 2023..
After my brother hired a RAV 4 HYBRID and was underwhelmed. He then Test Drove the Nissan X Trail E Force and was stunned at the "Beautiful Drive".
Switched my deposit to deposit to the X Trail E Force Ti.for him.. Arrives in April... I also test drove one and totally agree.
Fabulous finish, inclusions, safety and superb quiet and responsive EV driving experience without heavy batteries, no need to plug in with no range anxiety.
Manufactured in Japan meant 3 months wait with limited colour selection...
Only down size .. No spare tyre.
People used to go for a drive for fun or to de-stress...........
Yeah and in the EVs the only thing on your mind is the blooomin mile range! What's the point in that???
@@mrwaqy Not true. Choose an appropriate (and decent EV) and it's fine. It's been both the most most enjoyable and relaxed driving we've ever had.
Same applies to horrible ICE Cars. This is just an extremely horrible Audi Q6 with electric guts stuffed into it. This has no relevance to purpose designed BEVs with over 250 Miles range even with some spirted driving. Those BEVs you literally do just take out drive for fun because they are amazing at stuff like Canyon Carving.
@@Neojhun I agree with all you say, but there are a much better selection of nice to drive ICE vehicles at different price points where as any BEV that are nice to drive are knocking on the door of 100K the cars for the masses are just plain boring and the fact remains the infrastructure in the UK does not exist is overly complicated and who has two hours to spare to refuel
Sorry about the grammar and punctuation, I was in rant mode...
£14.07 for a charge that done 150 miles? .... in my diesel Audi it would cost me £15 ... no saving really and no waiting around for 45 minutes
Is there to be a fuel tax added in the course of time? Exchequer income will be hit if there isn't!
Exactly and good points made 👍🏽
Yeah but your DIEsel vehicle is "destroying" the universe where "zero emission" vehicles are saving all of us (research emission levels in relation to producing EV vehicles, particularly aluminium vehicles, and the production of sheet aluminium that an increasing number of car manufacturers think is "the way to go").
@@jeanybeany7951 The point being made was of comparing fuel cost, EV charging currently has no fuel tax levied on it, refuelling/charging an EV is time consuming particularly if there is a queue for a charge point. Hydrogen in the course of time will be a very much more practical alternative.
@@jeanybeany7951 I agree about diesels ... but, we do not have the infrastructure yet , and as the video shows , not enough mileage to a full charge etc etc, and what about the use of Cobalt which is in the batteries? The health of people digging for it ( true) and then the disposal of batteries? I’m all for clean living, but it has to be practical.
Couldn't imagine the cost of running out of electrickery on a remote country road while looking for a charge point because the last one had a queue.
I'm sure there will be people you can call that will come out and charge you up!
@@joeking433 Is that with a steam engine or what?
@@ValMartinIreland Huh? Why would it have to be with a steam engine? No, there are EV and ICE vehicles set up to charge EV's that run out of battery.
@@joeking433 The steam engine would be connected to a generator. The generator would produce electricity which would charge the EV. Steam is more silent than petrol of diesel. If you had a stationary engine you could pull it in a trailer behind the EV with a cable linked to the EV battery. That way you can charge everywhere. You could run the steam boiler on wood, household waste and dried cow dung. 100% renewable,
@@ValMartinIreland Oh, okay.
My twelve year old diesel can do 700 miles on a full tank and takes less than five minutes to completely refill the tank. EVs are probably best kept for short local trips, you wouldn't want to get stuck out in a blizzard with one miles from home.
Why? What's the difference being stuck in an EV over being stuck in an ICE car? At least the EV has a battery large enough to run a house for 3 to 4 days, so you'd be unlikely to freeze to death.
That seriously seems like hard work, I simply could not be bothered with having to think about charge constantly. We are not there yet, not even close.
this is only a problem because the batteries in the major car manufacturers suck
Well you usually just charge at home, and on long trips use super chargers
@@richarnold1224 It's not though is it, because what if we had 50% of the population driving EV's? The scenario here, turning up and having the prospect of waiting an hour for your turn would become common place and totally unacceptable. Infrastructure needs massive work
I bought my Kona Electric here in Norway 9 months ago, have driven 31k km since then and couldn't be much happier. Such a huge improvement from my 1.6 diesel focus. Thinking about charging isn't any harder at all than thinking about opening or closing the door, I only charge once every two weeks or so. And the distances here in Norway are significant. If it works here, it can work most places
@@propellhatt your charging infrastructure in norway is decades ahead of the UK. Unless it's a Tesla charging station what we have is absolutely minimal
Are businesses really going to pay employees to sit for an hour rather than use a normal car?
Spoiler: no.
No, because by the time businesses begin to invest in EV's big time, the charge network will be hugely improved over it's present state. Not too long ago, I charged my Kia up from around 30% charge to full in 40 minutes or so at a rapid charger. I bought fish and chips and ate them while the car charged. And by the time I'd downed some coffee from my flask and washed my hands, I was good to go for a further 250+ miles..... If you are going to drive far enough in one go to need to charge an EV, then you'll obviously need to stop somewhere anyway at some point. In any case, as time goes by - say another 3 or 4 years - there will be cars available which will cover 400 to 500 miles before a charge is needed, therefore eroding your present argument to the point of irrelevance............
..plus: businesses will have installed private charging points, or even subsidized semi-public charging. So, a share of fleet vehicles are charged anyway -saving you the time- and that at low costs.
No, because they will make you take the 50 minutes as your unpaid break.
The hassle of finding a charging station coupled with the limited number available and the long charge times = giant pain in the arse. EV's might be fine for city driving but they are crap for road trips.
Probably right but it's a Government thing. They really want you on super fast trains (like in Japan) and just use a rent car at the end...if necessary. My last trip to London (180miles away), I drove the car to the local railway station, parked the car. Train journey itself took just over 2 hours and I didn't even need to bother with arranging for the car to be parked in London. Train fare was £60 return. No hassle, no hold ups, no filling up the car either.
In case you wonder, I average about 22000 miles a year. But most driving I do is about 60 miles a day. Easily covered by an EV. And acceleration. A couple of weeks ago I had a Tesla car overtake me. Did that thing shift. Totally silent as well. The future! I'd buy one but just can't afford one...yet. I've just looked at EV cars in China....not dirt cheap but going the right way price wise.
I drive my Tesla Model Y everyday. I charge it overnight with my home charger, my work has free charge points and a Tesla V3 Supercharger will charge it from near empty to 85% in under 30 minutes giving me over 300 to 326 miles of range. The Model Y also has a heat pump so cold weather really doesn't effect range. Plus having over 20000 Supercharger stations across the US makes it a painless transition from my gas powered Forrester. The Audi EVs and others like it really don't have the range yet for their price and relying on 3rd party chargers alone isn't viable. My Dad is thinking of getting the new Ford F150 Lightning which gets an EPA 300 miles of range and that's carrying 1000 LBS being carried in the bed so it's estimated it will do approximately 450 miles when not carrying a load in the bed and can tow 5000 LBS.
@@bertiesworld it's been rumored Tesla is reportedly working on the holy Grail of affordable Electric Vehicles with a sort of hatchback like car that is supposed to start at $25k after Tax Credit but you can find used Model 3s for around $25-$27k
Great video about your trip experience with an EV. You demonstrated for me that there are good use cases for EVs but a road trip is just not one of them yet. There is lack of sufficient charging infrastructure, lack of standardization on the types of chargers you can use with your EV, short driving range is another issue, and length of time to charge the EV was terrible. And the cost for your charges was just a little less than what I pay for fuel fill ups today. I appreciated your real world and realistic video. Very helpful.
Unbelievable amount of waste of time keeping the EV traveling
You convinced me at 58 minute charge time, never ever...........
PS, I live in Australia !
Same here.
thats way to long ... no one ever with a full time job/family and such will ever use this shit. And now think about it.. when you are not the only one who wants to charge your car - and you have to 'wait' another hour until the guy in front of you has finished...
@@oliverurbanik9647 exactly.
Generally people will charge at home. Most daily commutes are 30 to 100 miles a day. That's more than enough charge without having to stop.
Road trips like this you just plan out your stops. Some people don't mind or need to take frequent bathroom and food breaks on a trip.
Also consider the EV. The Ioniq 5 and the Kia EV6, whenever the infrastructure catches up, can fast charge in less than 20 minutes. Additionally look at the range he was getting. Most EVs get well over 200 miles to the charge. The two I just mentioned, along with the upcoming Nissan Ariya, get over 300 miles to the charge. So in essence what he experienced with this car you wouldn't have that problem.
It’s a good sign that it’s only been 3 years since this video was made and the charging scene in the UK is so much better than here. Firstly, ecotricity has been replaced with the Gridserve electric highway which is much more reliable and lots of services now have upwards of 12 bays each
Good job your journey wasn't on a dead line. Imagine catching a ferry or going to a party or meeting..or worse getting to the hospital before your dad passes away.
Great video. Nice job! As much as I am excited about electric vehicles, the fact remains that my 7 year old Toyota Prius hybrid could have completed your 250 mi journey on less than 5 gallons of petrol with no stopping and no range anxiety. The Prius probably also cost less than half of your EV. In terms of just getting from A to B in relative comfort, without breaking the bank, and without range anxiety EV technology and infrastructure has a way to go.
This is the exact reason why electric cars just don’t work for me.
No it's not, you won't be able to buy the flawed poorly designed Audi Q7 converted to electric. Audi will soon kill off this model. This has no relation to Purpose Built BEVs.
@@Neojhun I’m more referring to the current charging infrastructure. It’s just not good enough especially if you can’t charge at home.
@@harewood1988 Oh yeah if you don't have private parking charging BEVs are not viable. FYI all it requires is a Private Parking near a building where you can wire up a Charger. Most Public Chargers are in the middle of open space outdoors. But there is no problems with driving 250 Miles to 500 Miles in one day, that should be very easy even back in 2020.
Couldn't agree more. I'm not from the UK but from most videos I see, it has a somewhat decent infrastructure but imagine living in another country with laughable infrastructure... it's not practical. Waiting 45 min to charge plus more time if there are people using, you lose a lot of time
@@killer0178 i live in the uk in a town of 20k people we have 2 x 7kW 32A Type 2 Mennekes in a public car park and 1 x 3kW 16A Type 1 Yazaki, the nearest 50kw charger is nearly 15 miles away the infrastructure is really poor
I pull into my local refuelling station, the attendant fills my truck with diesel within ten minutes, payment by card from the comfort of the air conditioned drivers seat and I'm good for another 600 Km. EV's have there place but it's a very limited place !
About four years ago, my wife, myself and two young children drove from London to the Lake District. It took us 11 hours and much of that time was spent in motorway queues; mostly on the M6. We did stop at services 3 times, but only once for petrol. It was stressful enough with two kids, I struggle to imagine what that journey would have been like in an Electric car. It was a hot day and the A/C was a life saver. I break out in a sweat to imagine what the journey would have been like if we’d have had to figure in extra route planning and wait times for charge stops.
It all seems so pointless.
So people pay £69k to spend 1-2h at a petrol station in a car that's only capable of 180 mile? The world has gone mad! LOL
Exactly!
Big brands make so much money off ^gone mad people^.
They are so good at it.
Definitely, you can spend just a couple of grand on a second hand diesel that will give you 800 miles range and only five minutes to top up and you are on your way again.
@@longannipple2823 Lol - yes - Dyson another case-in-point - 'Everybody - go from a neat bag which keeps the dirt away, to handling your dirt regularly'.
No, ppl accually spending time first to get their facts right! Idiots like you always gonna be the last ones getting the memo and eventually your kind will just die out! People spending that money so they can charge at home for fraction of the cost like petrol, they spend it so they dont have to roll into a garage with the car for the next 10 years, they spend it so our kids can breath fresh air and they spend it cas the car accually can charge with 100kw and it take 20m from 10%-50% which would give you about 500km total range with a piss stop basicly and you use equal to 2-3l/100km bensin consumption! Do your homework idiot before u start writing!
I'm stressed just watching this video.
Look at your annual costs of fuel servicing etc on your fossil and then de stress.
😂😆🤣
Just buy a Tesla and you stress will disappear, this sort of shit just doesn't happen.
@@bagster8660 Or any purpose designed BEV with over 250 miles range. This is just an ICE Audi Q6 with it's guts swapped to Electric.
@@Ifyoudonttakeitucantfakeit wait till the government start charging ev electricity tax.
Having an electric car is like owning a dog, worried when booking holiday, worried if poo pouch, water not managed before walk, worried if the restaurant (charging point) will allow your dog
DIESEL is the future - ask any Goverment or car manufacturer across Europe - they wouldn't lie to us would they ? My old Mondeo monsters your Audi and has a range of almost 700 mils - it also cost 2.5 K - so the money left will pay for loads of air travel too !
An hour sat about at a garage on a cold miserable Feb afternoon - enough to lose the will to live.
Better than driving an Audi/vw/seat clone
And then spending the money you've saved on fuel on overpriced sandwiches & chocolate !
And you can't even heat the car.
It’s got to be a lot cheaper and way more efficient for the masses to leave behind their petrol or diesel cars. How is the average guy or woman on the street that owns a car worth less than 10k going to buy into this ? Not just overly expensive but also a complete lifestyle change. Obesity figures will rocket with all the chocolate bars people will be buying whilst they are dying of boredom waiting for the bloody thing to charge up.
With a kick off for an important cup match in 30 minutes....😂😂😂
The infrastructure is just not there yet...
Even the Amish are ahead of EVs as they could go through a drive-through to feed their horses a chicken sandwich.
LOL, but you are exactly right. Its the same for the people that think they will save the planet driving their EV to Aldi to buy organic mangoes from Mexico, fair trade coffee from Columbia, grapes from Peru, lamb from New Zealand, and Organic oranges from Morocco, etc. How did they think those products go to their local Aldi? On container ships burning heavy diesel oil, which pollute more than 10 Million cars EACH, which are then transported on trucks powered by diesel fuel,.... The Amish live almost CO2 neutral, the rest of us don't.
Apples are good too in case you need to Hitch up a couple Horses to your Audi throw a couple a beer kegs in the back and you can Deliver some beer.
@@1949coupe let's not forget how much CO2 is produced mining the minerals, iron ore, aluminum oxide etc that are used to make thes cars, added to that the coal or diesel fired power stations that produce the electricity to charge these cars?? The mind boggles at how the green people think
Lol. Which ev gave you driven?
@@1949coupe The lamb from NZ is more eco than the same cuts brought from just down the road. Seriously.
from my perspective your journeys took at least 1 hour longer than necessary, and that's on a good day. i will buy one when i have more money and time.
This EXACTLY the reason why I hate eV's. And now it was a dry and a clear day. Got lost with my eV rental om my way back to the airport finding one charger blocked and the other giving low power... pouring rain... arrived at Charles de Gaulle full of stress and pissed off
Imagine someone had just pulled into the charging point before you and you had to wait an additional 50 mins on top of your 50 mins 🙈
That happened in this video 😜😂
I’d just go on the next one or the one after that. Never had to in real life👍🏻
This is bull$hit. They are expecting a whole lot of people to give up driving.
Yup, I was just going to post the same thing, So you goto another chare port and some one is plugged in and ANOTHER car is waiting on that car and Richard Mason says it hasn't happened to him, Yet! Give me a gas car
@@hagar2167 with Tesla’s it never happens.other brands do because the infrastructure is not good yet. 99% of time it’s irrelevant as we top up overnight for £4.
Take me a month to fathom out how the sat nav worked.
If this is the future then it's the bus for me.
If your smartphone isn't charged you can't unlock the door. I don't even have a smartphone.
Jeez! What a bloody faff! My 3.0 Jag will do 400+ miles to empty (okay, call it 370) if I need to fill up en route I can sling a few gallons in (
Last weekend, I did a 140 mile trip around the M25, in my Suzuki, to see my daughter. I averaged about 51 mph & calculated my petrol consumption at 3.7 litres/100 km. The trip computer predicted a range of 613 miles on a full tank (32 litres) of unleaded. My car cost £7,000 new.
When EVs can match this, I'll change ... until then I'm sticking with ICE.
Few months back did an 8700 mile (14,000 km) trip across the North American continent in an EV. Vancouver to Halifax in 6 days worth of driving on the Trans Canada highway, then did the return trip across the USA on the I80, I84, and I82, in 6 days, again. Achieved trip average of 18.3 kwh/100km (energy-equivalent of 2 litres/100km, or 114 miles per gallon). Nowhere even close to being a £7,000 car though, we're a long way off from legitimately cheap-to-purchase EVs. With that said, EVs are just a better purchase in my area - gasoline is very expensive and represents a very outsized share of cost of ownership. EVs in Vancouver retain astonishingly high resale values, my car is worth the same price now as when I bought it 4 years ago, and I've cumulatively spent just slightly over $1000 on electricity in 65,000 km of use, much of that cost was just from public charging on road trips. If I were trying to save money and maximize utility, I'd just join a car co-op and not bother throwing away money on personal car ownership in the first place - between fuel and insurance costs even a "cheap" car will still run up to be quite expensive over time.
@@0hypnotoad0 So if I've done my sums right, you averaged 3.39 miles/kWh on your road trip. That's sort of where most EVs tend to fall out in real life.
My Suzuki's still running strong. Just for something to do (I'm retired & time rich) I did some number crunching to see how my tiny, lightweight car stacks up against your average EV in terms of cost per mile & CO2 emissions. The results were 'interesting' & I've posted it below. Apologies in advance. It's written for a UK audience & reflects my tech heavy, chemical engineering background but it's worth a squint if you can wade through to the conclusions!
Petrol ICE versus EV. Which is better?
My carefully driven petrol car does 72 mpg (16 mpl). One litre of petrol contains about 9.5 kWh of energy so the car does 1.73 miles/kWh. That's half what a typical EV does, so EV wins right?
Sadly wrong because there's a difference between primary energy (oil/coal/gas) & secondary energy (electricity delivered at the point of use or, in the case of the ICE, torque/motive force delivered at the point of use).
In my ICE, primary energy is converted to secondary energy inside the engine/transmission. I reckon my engine's about 40% thermally efficient, so for every 10 kWh of petrol energy I feed it, I get 4 kWh of useful 'work' out of it & 6kWh is rejected as waste heat. But they say EVs are 100% efficient, so EVs win again right? Sadly wrong but understandably confusing because the conversion of primary to secondary energy for an EV is geographically separate & carried out at a power station. If I play the same 'trick' EVs do, my car's engine miraculously becomes 100% efficient, that is if I treat the conversion of primary to secondary energy as 'geographically separate'!
Well EVs run on 'pure' electricity from solar, wind & nuclear so there's none of this primary/secondary rubbish! EVs win again right? Errr... definitely WRONG!! It's confusing because the grid treats all power as fungible but let's knock these off one by one.
It's disingenuous to pretend any EV on the road today runs or will run, on carbon-free nuclear power. Why? Because nuclear generation was, is & will be a diminishing resource now that EV take up is skyrocketing. 20 years ago the UK had 20 nuclear generation sites, 10 years ago this had halved to 10 & today it's just 5. Of those remaining 5, 2 (Hartlepool & Haysham 1) will shutdown in 2024 & 2 more (Haysham 2 & Torness) will close in 2028. Only Sizewell B, commissioned in 1995, will remain until the far from finished, delay plagued, cost overrun Hinkley Point C comes online. And after that, literally no bugger knows!
What about solar? What's not to love about solar except it doesn't work at night or adequately in the winter months. It's great except we haven't got anything like the amount of current or future capacity needed to fuel the EV revolution. Indeed our nut-job government actively seems to want to block growth in solar!
Wind power? Great, love it! Works at night & in the winter but on a day-to-day basis, it's unpredictable & therefore wholly unreliable.
So what truly powers EVs in the UK? Simple, GAS DOES!!!
So back to the numbers...
Let's say you want 50 kWh of power in your EV. That's not 50 kWh of power at the charger socket though because the process of charging your battery itself consumes power, 12% is an optimistic estimate of the loss incurred (the faster you charge, the bigger the loss). So you'll need 56.8 kWh of socket power. But 56.8 kWh of socket power isn't 56.8 kWh of power station power because of grid/distribution system transmission losses which are typically 9% (regardless of the source of the fuel). So you're going to need 62.4 kWh of 'raw' power to be made at the power station. In 2021 the average thermal efficiency of our CCGT (Combined Cycle Gas Turbine) gen sets was a very creditable 49.9%, so you're going to need to burn 125 kWhs worth of natural gas to put that 50 kWh of usable charge in your EV!
EVs are 100% efficient my arse! The overall system is 40% thermally efficient which...quelle surprise...is exactly what my little Suzuki is!! And the kicker is, that 40% number applies whether you pay the peak rate for your leccy or the cheapest off-peak rate.
So at long last, to costs per mile...
I pay £1.64/litre for unleaded. At 16 mpl, that equates to 10.25p/mile.
Say the average EV does 3 miles/kWh. That 1kWh of 'in-battery power' equates to 2.5 kWh of natural gas. Defining the price of gas is a tricky affair, especially recently when it's been so volatile but 400p/therm (13.7 p/kWh) is probably a fair wholesale price. So those 3 miles of EV driving cost 34.1 p worth of natural gas...the equivalent of 11.4 p/mile.
So 11.4p/mile on EV versus 10.25 p/mile on my petrol ICE. My ICE wins!
But there's more to it than that...TAX! I pay VAT/duty to the tune of 86p/litre when I fill up. That tax supports our NHS, education, etc. What do EV owners pay on domestic electricity? A pathetic 5% VAT on a price that is artificially capped at a below my market price. So on an UNTAXED basis, my little car costs 4.9p/mile vs 11.4. That's a fairer comparison.
And now the big finish, CO2 EMISSIONS! 1 litre of fully burnt petrol equates to 2.4 kg of CO2 or 0.25 kg/kWh. When you burn natural gas, you get 0.185 kg of CO2/kWh. On average, my car emits 0.14 kg of CO2/mile. That EV that does 3 miles/kWh of battery charge does 1.2 miles/kWh of burnt natural gas. That translates to 0.154 kg of CO2/mile. Given that none of the CCGT gen sets does carbon capture, it's clear that most EVs will put MORE carbon dioxide into the atmosphere than my small, lightweight, efficiently drive petrol car!
Amazing what you can learn from numbers isn't it! Banning ALL ICEs in 2030 is both reckless & dangerous. This policy urgently needs to be thought through by a proper, sensible government, not one that simply chases newspaper headlines.
@@MrSensible2 That was an incoherent wall of text and most of your figures were incorrect, lot of effort expended just to come to the wrong conclusions:
Gasoline/Petrol has 8.9 kwh of thermal energy per litre, not 9.5 kwh. Your Suzuki engine averages
@@0hypnotoad0 If I spoke Swahili to you, you would probably say that I was incoherent. If Einstein stood before you & elucidated his general theory of relativity to you, you would probably accuse him of talking crap because you couldn't understand what he was saying. It's a recognised syndrome; aggressiveness & blind, pig ignorance often walk hand in hand.
I'm going to leave it at that...
Cool story Hansel
Spending that type of money on those sort of cars, Then driving around with a puckered arsehole, not knowing if you're going to make it home or not. Not for me...
Exactly! At least if you run out of petrol/diesel it’s (usually) easy enough to find a garage and get a jerry can to get it back running and it’s a very quick process to top the car up once you’ve got the fuel...
Tesla Model 3 long range = 350 ish miles of pure driving pleasure with super charging available if required. No puckering required, except for when the right foot goes down :-)
Puckered arsehole haha always a classic thank you
@@Doofgreed
Try finding a supercharger over the vast expanse of Wales outside the M4 corridor. Hint…. there are none.
@@hedydd2 Doesn't really matter. If visiting such areas you super/rapid charge on your way in and out, the rest of the time you use the vast network of slower chargers whilst staying overnight or exploring places as there's no rush. For people who live there they'd just slow charge at home or locally as domestic cars are unused 90% of the time. No troubles. The places where super/rapid charges are needed are off motorways when travelling hundreds of mile per day and there are loads of those so no problem there either. Trust me, I've been all over the UK in short and long range EVs without any hassle. The only problems come through inexperience, like the guy in this video, but by definition this doesn't last long and you learn quickly the best way to do things, just like with anything else in life. Obviously the network is expanding in proportion to the fairly rapid adoption of EVs and it will continue to do so.
Another good thing about lots of EVs is they have plenty of instant grunt for overtakes as there is liner power and zero problems with lag or RPM sweet spots like you get with fossil cars. And many have cameras all round for self driving and to monitor blind spots etc. So that would prevent many of the situations you've been unlucky to encounter in your vids. In fact self driving and cars that warn drivers are already much safer statistically than driven cars because they does loose concentration or make bad decisions because it's Monday morning or whatever and are aware of what's happening 360 degrees all around them, and are ready to react or warn in a tiny fraction of a second. This is already saving lives and making our road safer.
Good real world video.
1 charger at that Shell and you’re gonna be using it for 45mins. Imagine if you rock up a minute later and have to wait 44mins for the previous person to leave then leave your car on for 45mins. Too much hassle indeed
Watch to the end...that happened 😜😂
You’re right. I wrote my comment before I finished the video. You summed it up at the end
The reason they don’t have multiples is they have a finite amount of power at the station, they were never designed for high current loads. So more chargers, less charging speed as they share the available power. Tesla spent the money to bring in a complete new supply and power their chargers from that.
It’d be interesting to see what kind of queuing system they have for the charger, numbered bays etc ?
Or is it just a case of relying on people doing the right thing ?
The problem with charging is the potential for massively different charge times. On an ICE you roll up and know even if it’s a 70L fill the one in front it only going to be 5 minutes so you pick and lane and wait.
You turn up at and EV charge and each point could be anything from a few minutes up to an hour, so lining up behind each point is not realistic. So big single queue can be the only way to go.
I charge overnight at home for $0.01 per KW. $0.75 for a full charge on my Tesla Model Y.
I imagine this is what people in horse-drawn carriages said about internal combustion cars back at the turn of the 20th century.
Hahahaha! Bingo!
I will stick to my 17 yr old mk5 golf diesel tdi, galway to northern ireland & back on 1/4 of a tank.
In ten years it will be a relic that will amaze your grandkids! They'll say, "eww, what's that nasty smell coming from your car, grandpa?" Hahahaha!
The fact you need all them apps to charge is a joke
The government has bollocked the providers for this and is forcing them all the convert to chip and pin.
@@esm7708 It was the government that made them all have accounts for their customers so they can track usage and take up. It’s less painful than a few years ago though. Now a handful of apps will deal with most chargers.
I agree. What i thought is he needs 3x20quid charges to go the same distance as my petrol car (had my diesel fir years and still don't know its mpg) i would pay an extra tenner for no anxiety.. These cars are ideal for shop or local trip use, if one dares.
@@SirHackaL0t. I didn't know that was the reason. I'm 1 year into electric cars. I wouldn't go back. Instavolt all the way for me.
@@alexpmK3 How often do you do long journeys in your car? Once a month? The rest of the time you likely do daily driving of less than 40 miles which can be topped up overnight at home. Even if you drive 100 miles a day, every day, you could charge at home without any issues. If you had an EV tariff you might be paying 5p per kwh which equates to about 1.2p per mile.
Thank you for taking the time to shoot a video like this. Absolutely maddening and I want NOTHING to do with this EV world. What a waste of your travel time.
Something that many people don't understand (or it hasn't clicked for them yet) is they believe that you have to go to the charging station to fill up.... and that will take time. When folks ask "yeah, well where is the nearest charge station" I say "at my house". The only time I use the public supercharger network is when I travel and it only takes 17 minutes to get 200 miles of range back in my battery. You see I don't fill to 100% at each stop... I typically fill to 66% which is 3 hours driving. So every three hours I stop to take a bio-break and get a coffee.
Hi Wes, when you write "it only takes 17 minutes to get 200 miles of range", I feel that this is precisely the problem. It should be more something like 5 minutes to get at least 350 miles of Real Usable Range, on regular sized cars (for example, VW Golf). By real usable range I mean Range + Reserve, meaning that once should be able to get 350miles of range + have an extra 40 to 50 miles of extra range as a safetey net, like when you kit reserve on regular cars.
@@alessandropataro4422 Yes, it should be faster. But I don't have to tend to it by standing by the pump. I can go inside for a bio-break and buy a coffee. I've been doing it for about 3 years now and it's not bad... but it could be faster. For now it's a compromise I'm willing to make.
Fill up for petrol max time 10 mins, electric 45 mins, no thanks
For this 250mile trip you _wouldn't even have to stop_ for petrol half way to the destination.
@@slowerthinker Well, so long as you had been to a petrol station to fill up recently ...
Hyundai ioniq 5 300 miles 18 mins 👍
@@slowerthinker neither would my electric kona 🙄
And if u get to the charge station & theres 2 other fools ahead of you waiting to use it ... what then ? 🙄😂
Exactly how many plug-ins do you think the average modern charge station has?
And don’t you just love the prospect of spending several hours charging mid-journey or wrecking the batteries with continual fast chargers…
Wait until everyone is driving these things, long lines, a taxed power grid, 50KW per charging station, sweet Jesus!
@@glee21012 The grid will be built out as needed. Most folks charge their EV's at home, overnight...when there is way less demand on the grid.
@@dazzyd1964 Tesla V1 and V2 superchargers will provide an 80% charge in 40 minutes. The newer V3 charges (250kw) are of course faster still. Nobody continually uses superchargers, which are for long trips, not daily commuting.
I appreciate your perspective and agree that the infrastructure is inadequate and the sat nav needs to locate chargers to +/- 10 meters.
As a woman, I don't want to charge in deserted lots after dark.
Just what I was thinking. Would not want to be doing that myself let alone my wife or daughter
Think i just got range anxiety from watching your journey. Couldn't deal with that every time i went on a journey..... So much more to get right other than the ev car itself
How many "journeys" do you go on???
Hanging around for 45 minutes is just not an option. 5 hours to do just over 200 miles? What a joke.
Quicker by stagecoach and horses 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Don’t you see? This is utter rubbish these days and at least 3 years out of date. Yes, the charger network isn’t great but if dinosaurs like you and many on here embrace what are much better and cleaner cars the network will improve much faster. Go have a drive!
@@Ifyoudonttakeitucantfakeit Yes and pushing a wagon uphill is easier than pulling it, according to your logic. The network is not the problem, the time wasted is definitely more the issue. Gasoline cars emit mostly water vapor these days with catalytic converters, so they aren't a source of pollution. And electric cars use electricity generated using the same carbon energy sources as gasoline cars do, so you are only changing the point where the combustion occurs, not cleaning the air more. And this does not take into account the losses associated with transmitting the electricity by wire all over the place to be where drivers travel. It's just not smart to think EV's are "cleaner". EV's were found lacking in 1910, they will do so again in 2030.
@@Ifyoudonttakeitucantfakeit How do you know that people can afford electric vehicles ? Electric Vehicles are still incredibly expensive, even after taking into account any government grant that might be applicable, the resale value of EV's is also very poor. Unfortunately, everyone is not as rich as you. EV's still have a long way to go, before they become mainstream. The technology of both the EV's and the support networks have a long way to go, before mass market adoption.
@@warlockuk6939 they can afford 4 x cost of fuel, servicing,exhausts, brakes, so over lifetime an ev is way way cheaper to own. Facts are so hard to come by in this thread!
It's not the charging time. It's the fact that I live on a terraced street. Unless the council want to sell me a parking space, I can never install a charger for my own car.
Today there was an article in a Spanish newspaper telling that people have started to fight over supermarket chargers (free). It will take very little time until someone stabs the wheels of a car standing by a charger fully charged or worse!
I got rid of my Nissan Leaf for a similar reason. Whilst it was fine on short runs, I just couldn't rely on rapid charging to go longer distance. I didn't mind waiting to charge as it was good to have a break from driving. It was the turning up at a charger to find it parked in or out of order, or refusing to work. Throw in way too many differing apps, and payment options and it was a nightmare that I don't need in my life.
How did you opt out of your ev lease or contract?
@@steve00alt70 The car wasn't leased, I owned it outright. So I just traded it in for something else.
A lot of things will have to change before I ever consider an EV
Yeah like end production
Planetary climate disaster?
@@bbbf09 Digging up millions of tons of lithium, destroying forestry and animals habitat to do so, then finding a way to get rid of said lithium, is simply replacing one massive problem with another one. Think about it!
@@watchalot919 i have thought about. Lots. Have you? Millions of tons of lithium is nothing set against the hundreds of billions of Tonnes of CO2 being produced. You realise that the amount of lithium used in a electric car you can easily lift in your hand? (Less than 10kg) whereas the 30Tonne weight of CO2 produced in its life by petrol car would crush it if placed on top. You are not remotely swapping one problem for another comparable one. You are trading a massive problem for a manageable one.
Why are you bothered about small amount of lithium extraction and not about the steel or alumnium used to create petrol cars and all the oil rigs and refineries infrastructure required to keep them running?. Are you set against all technology and industry?
@@watchalot919 ...p.s. I dont think you understand lithium batteries or how they work. They will last for decades..possibly centuries in right application. At end of life the lithium is extractable and can be re used in new battery arrays. Its going nowhere. It isnt scrapped.
I enjoyed your seemingly unbiased opinions. I am against ev's due to the cost and limitations, if there was a built-in generator so you could charge while you drive, I would be interested, but not as they are today. I, as an American, appreciate you speaking in miles, I have a hard time doing the calculations in my head.
There is a system with a built in generator. It is called a hybrid, using petrol when it is operating under optimum conditions and electricity around town. Very sensible, if insanely complex. Alas, in the UK, ICE vehicles will not longer be sold after 2030 and Hybrids after 2035. I understand that any ICE engine will be outlawed in the Us by 2035. Stand by for some huge revenue losses and vast cost hikes which will have to be paid for. By you.
My 2018 BMWi3 REX has a built in generator - a 2 cylinder BMW motorbike engine which charges the EV battery when it gets low. Its not a hybrid as it doesn't power the car direct, just a generator. Shame they stopped using this technology after 2018, but meanwhile no range anxiety for me!
@@theresamulchrone5992 That seems a sensible solution and will undoubtedly reduce emissions but that is not good enough for the likes of Saint Greta. Not a drop of fuel must be used to satisfy her, regardless of the fact that this is almost impossible. A nice solution though because the battery is doubtless quite light thanks to the generator.
Two things that i noticed here. 1. the charger infrastructure seems to be needing improvements. 50KW is not fast, its a very slow fast charger. 2. You generally never charge above 80% at public charge points because of the charge curves of the cars. Up to around 80% you have a very fast charge speed and above that it gets very slow. This is why you dont stay longer than around 80%.
Great report . Put me off electric completely.
Pioneering doesn't pay. You will find that electric cars will not become mainstream until the knowledge on how to fix ICE cars is lost over time. Also a factor could be if governments tax the life out of ICE cars with congestion charges and similar taxes. Current electric cars are too dear and too risky for most people and take too long to charge.
Imagine a fuel station with only one pump, sounds like shell aren’t trying to solve a problem but reinforce that fossil fuels are still the answer.
But only one pump can serve as many cars as 30 DC chargers or so. You don't have to wait for an hour if it is taken, more like a few minutes.
There is no Problem! Go hydrogen electric is rubbish
@@davidedbrooke9324 Hidrogen ??? So you mean building a infrastructure from scrap is easier ??? Btw hidrogen cars floped - read the news
@@adrian2b Yes years ago! Tech has moved forward! Electric is too limited to urban
Trips. Maybe I read more that you, less of a smart Mouth would be better!
@@adrian2b Well EV's use to flop as well but time, money and research has now made them useful, same cam be true for hydrogen and alt fuels.
Nuts. They make no practical sense at all. Especially in Australia. They are for rich enthusiasts and lotto winning greenies only.
It costs me $6 a day to run my VW V6 TDI. And when I fill it for $150 I can travel up to 1000km stress free.
So an 1/8th of your work day is used to sit and wait for your car to charge. That’s really productive.
Thank you so much making this. I was just about to lash out a truck load of money on this vehicle and you saved me.
Get a Tesla instead. Longer range and superb charging infrastructure. That said I charge mine at home for buttons. 6,000 miles - £75.
@@robertscott6595 Will it pull a carvan? No didn't think so. I'll pass. Electric motors are for flid cars.
@@mistermister8 Yes it will. Try googling for examples.
You would love a Tesla.
@@joeking433 I really wouldn't.I test drove one earlier this year. What a piece of shyte. I've settled on a nice big diesel X5 that can pull a caravan. Worth every penny.
You have confirmed all of my thoughts about EV, I wouldn't want one as a gift what a farce it all is.
He should have used a Tesla :-) Good to know I can't gift you ours!
Sadly, you've formed your opinion based on seeing one of the worst (as in least efficient) EV's available, along with a driver who did zero research and didn't plan his route before he set off. He was doomed from the start...
@@Brian-om2hh my opinion is not based purely on that review.
@@stevepowell4946 That's just as well, because that review certainly isn't representative of the better EV's out there. In fact, here's an example of someone who did a Scottish 1400 mile journey in 48 hours in an EV, just to give you another take on it..... Here th-cam.com/video/qt0PwtUD0MA/w-d-xo.html There are always *two* ways to look at most things!
@@Brian-om2hh My vehicle will cover 450 miles without a stop no matter how cold the ambient temperature is or loss of performance and a fraction of the cost of a battery car to purchase.
Your stop at the Shell said it all - 50 minutes sitting about and 6 petrol pumps where you would have been in and away in 10 minutes with a full tank and no thoughts about range.
Range anxiety very well decribed as I've experienced in the early days of owning a Model 3! But in Canada, I've learned a bit more of the charging infrastructure which were laid out quite early ahead of time by Tesla, the GPS and the massive supercharger locations along the way. It's even better in the US where supercharges are situated in almost less than 80 miles apart. If EV manufacturers are able to adopt the tesla superchargers, owners will not experience range anxiety as much.
So the money you save on fuel,you spend on high priced fuel station food & drink prices & get they're about as quick as a bus journey!!!🤣🤣🤣
No, just no.
some people just don't have a clue about the stuff they're blabbering about. they just parrot what they hear, and they ignore the fact that it is no longer true.
@Federico Riggio Say what? If you charge at home every night (like MOST people who buy EVs) the electricity is FAR cheaper than gas. (and you have no idea how expensive fuel is in the UK where this was filmed)
EVs aren't optimal for long range driving -- they are mainly for commuting. That is their primary use case.
@Federico Riggio fuel is the equivalent of about $7/US gallon in the UK. Electric is much cheaper
@@Muggles87 in holland its 8.97 usd per us gallon for euro 98 fuel
With the price of today
But still i choose a petrol car above a ev
Add in a couple of screaming kids, the dog, and I can imagine the stress of running out of juice would go off the scale!!... Dad... are we there yet.. no kids... we're not going to make it!!!
Do people like you regularly let their ICE vehicles run out of fuel and then cry about it, probably not so why would anyone let their EV run out of electric.
@@iamthepotato4312Not sure what your point is
The car tells you when you need to charge ahead of time and shows you where to go to do it so if you ignore it then you deserve to be stalled somewhere waiting on a tow truck.
@@acarroll1714 Problem is, You get there, the plug is already plugged into another car, which bloody doubles Your already ridiculous refill time. The kids and the dog might keep You entertained, as does coffee or chocolates, which does *_not_* shorten Your trip though, let alone the costs of chocolates and -beer- Irish Coffee while You gotta sit down the double charge time .... Even with the niche-tech CNG/LNG cars I do *_waaay_* better than with electric plug-ins not carrying a backup diesel-driven genset onboard, which derives off the poor charging performance even more than off the poor charging infrastructure.
There are, given the current speed of evolution, another two solid decades of research and developement to absolve at least, before we can talk about remotely disputable performance of the (sole) electric car. And before I ruin my fuel economy with a plug-in hybrid carrying all that tax-evasion-only electrical crap, I stick with twenty year old, flawlessly functioning diesel cars costing so less to buy that I can even pay for the punitive taxes and still will have payed less per actual km driven than the electric nuts will for those two decades of development to come.
Edit: I give free rides for broke-down electric driving single moms more often these days ....
@@acarroll1714 Do all the other vehicles stuck in the traffic jam because two or three people have done this deserve to be delayed too? Emergency service vehicles?
7kw charger at 240V... that's 30 amps!
Most electric room heaters suck 10 amps when on full.
.... just keep in mind, when thinking about electricity use.
£17? Despite all the disadvantages, it's not even cheap. The cost is similar to my petrol powered car, there are petrol station everywhere, and I can fill up in 2 minutes.
No turbo/exhaust noise, loads of hassle. My driving licence will go in the bin if that`s all we end up with.
Let’s hope so.
Yup me too.. Electric cars are just a small jump away from compulsory homosexuality.... Just look at Rick Mason there.....
Sounds good to me, less cars on the road. And by the way, less hassle then a turbo and exhaust!
LOL the Ignorance. This IS an ICE Car just with EV guts stuffed in it. This sucks because it's BASED on Audi Q6. This is nothing like a proper purpose designed BEV. Ironic you hate it because it's most like the car you have.
@A M Sad, isn’t it. Some people will do anything to avoid having to face their own ignorance and bigotry.
good thing about petrol is if you run out you can grab a jerry and take some energy dense fluid to ya car and almost instantly your on the road again
your , as in belongs to. you're ,as in you are on the road again..cheers
Cars have better and better computers, but they still can't fix incompetent drivers.
100% true.
@Stephen Anthony As long as you don't generalize.
I can remember the need for cans.
Better off for filling stations now.
Thanks for the video. Does the different rates charge at different rates.
I'm so spoiled in the States with my Model Y. I have a charger in my garage at home that charges it overnight, my work has charging points in the parking lot that they let employees use for free and the few times I have had to stop at a Supercharger Station, of which there are many nearby, all of which are being upgraded to version 3 charging so they will add 200 miles of range in 10 minutes. I was doing the math and I was spending over $3000 annually on fuel before I got my model Y, now it's like $400. People who say EVs are inconvenient either have never tried one or bought the wrong electric car. I've had friends say they were gonna buy the E Tron and I had to show them that it only gets an EPA 218 miles of range on a charge and you pretty much have to rely on 3rd party chargers that aren't reliable. He got a Model X and loves it. The Supercharger network, especially in the U.S. is just unbeatable.
All these posts here are from someone who has a financial interest in petrol cars, that's all. These aren't from different people but from the same guy or two that have dozens of accounts and names trying to influence public opinion. It's a scam that is rampant on TH-cam and other social media sites.