I did a valve adjustment on my FJ-09 a few years ago and broke the timing chain damper. Dumb ass mistake, but I wasn't able to find all the small broken plastic pieces. Two years later, the oil pick up found those pieces. Yeah, it destroyed the crank bearings, pistons and a bunch of other stuff. I got it completely rebuilt and it's been perfect since. It was $5,500 and took 3 months, but I love my bike. My cam chain tensioner had to be replaced, as well as the cam chain and sprockets. The valves and transmission were fine, but the oil was full of crank bearing metal flakes.
Timing chain failure, clearly. With low oil, the hidraulic tensioner will fail. Got to open the engine, new valves, new timing chain, new gaskets, etc. And hope the pistons aren't damaged. I guess not.
So the most economical way to fix this situation is to try and rebuild this engine? Can insurance be used? It seems that a new one could be found for maybe $10,000 out the door? I’m just concerned there is so much damage. What caused this? Not checking the oil?
@michaelrieser9928 we ended up swapping the motor out. The damage was so extensive, we would have to have rebuilt every piece almost. There was a handful of parts reusable from the motor but not enough to justify a rebuild. He had a warranty on the bike but the dealerships down here aren't the fastest on rebuilds / warranty claims. He knows that and told us he'd rather pay than wait months on end for the rebuild to take place through dealership. We had him in and out in less than 2 months with a new(ish) motor in the bike ripping down the street again! 🤙
@lold6130 wheelies are a major reason for oil consumption. When you stand the bike up, you get oil that gets pushed up into the airbox and then gets burnt during normal combustion process.
Lost oil pressure to cam chain tensioner and jumped timing, about the only way to hit valves to piston, unless the valves stuck in the guides first which is unlikely
Thought they had a locking mechanism so they wouldn't back out that much to allow the chain to jump timing, shrugs. On a side note I check my oil level before each ride always, even though it doesn't burn or leak any visibly
@QuicKurtZX14R I think between loosing pressure and chsin slapping it whipped it way back! It got stuck beyond the set point when you are resetting the tensioner.
Very Strange. I ride my Tracer 900GT since new , it has 59000km (37000miles more or less) it's serviced every 6000 miles, , and engine doesn't have any oil comsumption. Ok, i don't ride it hard but i don't ride it slow either. So very strange
@nunofjantunes wheelies create excessive oil consumption. He admitted to doing it frequently. The oil pickup struggles to get the proper amount of oil and pressure to the critical components and over time it chews away at bearings and journals in the motor. You get metal on metal and eventually wngine failure.
@@provenpowercycles I'm skeptical that even a completely non-functional cam chain tensioner would have such off timing as to hit valve with heads, but mis-shifts and rev-bombs destroy valves and heads all the time. The engine pushing against the valves caused the cam chain and bearing head journal to break and not (I think) the other way around. Rev-bombing is such an awful trend; what's wrong with just reving the engine instead of holding the throttle wide open?
@tysoncott7402 lots of wheelies. When you pop it up the oil gets sucked up through the breather hose on the back of the block, then slowly gets into the intake valves and burnt up. Over a couple thousand miles of doing repetitive behaviors, you get low on oil
@@provenpowercyclesI have 30,000 miles on my 2022 XSR900. The motor consumes about a quart of oil every 1,000 miles which is within factory spec. I have to check it often so I avoid something like this. Otherwise it takes all the abuse I throw at it.
How many miles on it? And does the owner do their own maintenance beyond oil changes? I'm wondering if the valves needed shimming and someone fucked up badly on it?
@@provenpowercycles I wheelied my 2nd gen XSR900 nearly every day before it got wrecked and in 24k miles I never had any failure remotely close to this. It sounds like someone made a mistake somewhere to have this serious of a failure.
@RJBiteanerd and that's very possible too. We don't service every bike that comes through here but I do know that doing excessive wheelies can cause premature oil consumption. I've seen it a bunch on stunt bikes down here. There are a ton of variables but he admitted when he checked oil last that he was about 1.5 quarts low on oil which is substantial amount to be low on while doing wheelies
I have a used 2007 ktm 990 superduke. 25mpg, and it drinks oil almost as fast. I don’t do wheelies. Not a drip on the floor! Internet said that engine is notorious for burning oil. Got the 2024 390 duke to have fun on the twisties and I’m getting 52mpg. Much cheaper per ride.
@matthews8576 from what I've seen, it's mainly people who do a lot of wheelies. My theory is that oil is getting blown thru the crank case vent and going thru airbox and consumed during normal combustion process. Owner did admit to doing quiet a few wheelies but usually checks oil periodically. He admitted to getting a little lax on it recently....
A new bike like this should not be losing oil, i would think the blame may lie with anyone who was working on this bike prior to the destruction of the engine
@rgthomson1 he likes to wheelie a lot. That creates a lot oil consumption depending on how often, how hard, and how high he does them and for how long he holds them up.
its actually my bike, picked it up Monday, its a beast! finished out at 190 HP & 80 on the torque , very smooth throttle and sounds absolutely amazing!
@@garydickson9669 ZX10R all day over the GSXR, i traded my 23 GSXR for the ZX10R , Eric did my GSXR work also it was at 182 HP after full brocks and tune. dont get me wrong i loved my GSXR however for overall power and comfort features, ZX10R all day
6:08 I got the Healtech Thunderbox for this, connects to the battery and has accessory inputs that only pass power once the bikes running.
Loss of oil pressure made the hydraulic timing chain tensioner loosen up and the chain skipped a few teeth which caused piston to valve contact.
Thanks for all the great useful information. I definitely don’t check my oil enough, but I’m going to step it up now!
@michaelrieser9928 you definitely should! It is one of the most over looked items and one of the most crucial ones to check!
I did a valve adjustment on my FJ-09 a few years ago and broke the timing chain damper. Dumb ass mistake, but I wasn't able to find all the small broken plastic pieces. Two years later, the oil pick up found those pieces. Yeah, it destroyed the crank bearings, pistons and a bunch of other stuff. I got it completely rebuilt and it's been perfect since. It was $5,500 and took 3 months, but I love my bike.
My cam chain tensioner had to be replaced, as well as the cam chain and sprockets. The valves and transmission were fine, but the oil was full of crank bearing metal flakes.
@dogsnmotorcycles damn man! Big lesson learned though! Glad it's still been going strong! 💪
This just made me change the oil on my XSR900 :P
@@TuberiderFPV haha nice! 🤙
Damn I wish you guys were in the uk. We have workshops and tuners but no one giving the level of exposure like you do with your videos.
@loftyintentions1985 we appreciate that 🙏 we will keep throwing videos out there for you 🤙
Superbike surgery ltd is a great channel, that guy knows his onions👍
Looks like it’s time to put that Yamaha on Craig’s list. “Was running fine when I stored it for winter”…
@@coldairbuick 😅😅 not sure why it won't fire up again! Ran great before parked! 😆
Timing chain failure, clearly. With low oil, the hidraulic tensioner will fail.
Got to open the engine, new valves, new timing chain, new gaskets, etc.
And hope the pistons aren't damaged. I guess not.
Yamaha wouldn't have warrantied that. That and that guy NEVER checks his oil lol
Eric you all killed it on that ZX10R 40th for me. got it out this morning and its FIRE! thanks again!!!
@JasonFaiella hell yeah man! I am very happy with the outcome! Glad you are enjoying it brother 🙌
The alternator supplies electronics with the bike running so it isn't going to make much difference to how the bike runs..
I can't wait for some more zx14 content i love me a zx14 🏁💯
@@Thecleananunseenteam haha I plan on doing some dope stuff to mine here soon!
Liquid Schwarz is always bad news in the oil pan. I will be sure to check the oil on wife's XSR900 before every ride! OUCH!!!
So the most economical way to fix this situation is to try and rebuild this engine? Can insurance be used? It seems that a new one could be found for maybe $10,000 out the door? I’m just concerned there is so much damage. What caused this? Not checking the oil?
@michaelrieser9928 we ended up swapping the motor out. The damage was so extensive, we would have to have rebuilt every piece almost. There was a handful of parts reusable from the motor but not enough to justify a rebuild. He had a warranty on the bike but the dealerships down here aren't the fastest on rebuilds / warranty claims. He knows that and told us he'd rather pay than wait months on end for the rebuild to take place through dealership. We had him in and out in less than 2 months with a new(ish) motor in the bike ripping down the street again! 🤙
@michaelrieser9928 and the issue was low oil while front end was lifting up. Oil starved the head/crank and it destroyed a lot of components in motor.
Why would a 2023 bike use so much oil? Wouldn't an oil warning light come on?
@lold6130 wheelies are a major reason for oil consumption. When you stand the bike up, you get oil that gets pushed up into the airbox and then gets burnt during normal combustion process.
Lost oil pressure to cam chain tensioner and jumped timing, about the only way to hit valves to piston, unless the valves stuck in the guides first which is unlikely
I didn't cheat either 😊
Thought they had a locking mechanism so they wouldn't back out that much to allow the chain to jump timing, shrugs. On a side note I check my oil level before each ride always, even though it doesn't burn or leak any visibly
@QuicKurtZX14R I think between loosing pressure and chsin slapping it whipped it way back! It got stuck beyond the set point when you are resetting the tensioner.
In this case...just drop in a new engine or buy a new motorcycle ....rebuilding that engine does makes no sense
I’m curious to know how many miles he had on that oil change or last time he checked it
@rynev3392 he did tell us and it wasn't anything crazy but I cannot remember the number he told us. Maybe 2k or so miles.
I'd coincidentally park it in Oakland while being a tourist, resolved.
Maybe i missed it, but what is mileage of bike? Was this during break in? I have a new leftover 2023 MT09SP I am breaking in now.
@BigEbikesports he is well past break in bur I'll be sure to capture that in next vlog! We are still waiting on some gaskets but almost done with it 🤙
Very Strange. I ride my Tracer 900GT since new , it has 59000km (37000miles more or less) it's serviced every 6000 miles, , and engine doesn't have any oil comsumption. Ok, i don't ride it hard but i don't ride it slow either. So very strange
@nunofjantunes wheelies create excessive oil consumption. He admitted to doing it frequently. The oil pickup struggles to get the proper amount of oil and pressure to the critical components and over time it chews away at bearings and journals in the motor. You get metal on metal and eventually wngine failure.
It would have been nice to see the rest of the ZX 10 build and tune.
I'm guessing, from the aftermarket exhaust and bent valves, that the owner rev-bombed his bike.
@langhamp8912 that's a good one too. It is possible!
@@provenpowercycles I'm skeptical that even a completely non-functional cam chain tensioner would have such off timing as to hit valve with heads, but mis-shifts and rev-bombs destroy valves and heads all the time. The engine pushing against the valves caused the cam chain and bearing head journal to break and not (I think) the other way around. Rev-bombing is such an awful trend; what's wrong with just reving the engine instead of holding the throttle wide open?
Hope everything gets sorted out quickly with the XSR900! We sent you an email, take a look.
Well the valves stuck in the guides,,,, got bent 🐒🦩🦕🤺
Compression test without opening full throttle?
The timing chain snapped
I have never one time seen a modern sportbike engine use/burn oil, what is the owner doing to this thing????
@tysoncott7402 lots of wheelies. When you pop it up the oil gets sucked up through the breather hose on the back of the block, then slowly gets into the intake valves and burnt up. Over a couple thousand miles of doing repetitive behaviors, you get low on oil
@@provenpowercyclesI have 30,000 miles on my 2022 XSR900. The motor consumes about a quart of oil every 1,000 miles which is within factory spec. I have to check it often so I avoid something like this. Otherwise it takes all the abuse I throw at it.
I was considering this bike, but f*CK that. My Honda is at 70k miles without ever adding any in between changes.@@drewmoto732
@@drewmoto732I've got a 2020 1st gen, mine has never lost so much as a drop of oil that I've ever noticed...
@@drewmoto732 A quart of oil every 1000 miles seems excessive. I'm surprised this is within spec.
Why is a 2023 bike running low on oil ? I'm not sure the whole story is happening here unless the warranty has been voided?
How many miles on it? And does the owner do their own maintenance beyond oil changes? I'm wondering if the valves needed shimming and someone fucked up badly on it?
@RJBiteanerd nah, he enjoys doing wheelies on it often. That creates oil consumption and needs to be filled and checked frequently!
@@provenpowercycles I wheelied my 2nd gen XSR900 nearly every day before it got wrecked and in 24k miles I never had any failure remotely close to this. It sounds like someone made a mistake somewhere to have this serious of a failure.
@RJBiteanerd and that's very possible too. We don't service every bike that comes through here but I do know that doing excessive wheelies can cause premature oil consumption. I've seen it a bunch on stunt bikes down here. There are a ton of variables but he admitted when he checked oil last that he was about 1.5 quarts low on oil which is substantial amount to be low on while doing wheelies
I have a used 2007 ktm 990 superduke. 25mpg, and it drinks oil almost as fast. I don’t do wheelies. Not a drip on the floor! Internet said that engine is notorious for burning oil. Got the 2024 390 duke to have fun on the twisties and I’m getting 52mpg. Much cheaper per ride.
How did a brand new bike get so low on oil?
@matthews8576 from what I've seen, it's mainly people who do a lot of wheelies. My theory is that oil is getting blown thru the crank case vent and going thru airbox and consumed during normal combustion process. Owner did admit to doing quiet a few wheelies but usually checks oil periodically. He admitted to getting a little lax on it recently....
I’m guessing the cam chain is snapped.
Maybe tune to hot?
RIP sweet triple!
Friggin junk oil pressure cam chain tensioners, i hope after rebuild u install a manual one!!
@@weiner127 yessir we already ordered a manual for him lol
My guess without looking ahead...Timing chain failure
Damn I was wrong 😂
A new bike like this should not be losing oil, i would think the blame may lie with anyone who was working on this bike prior to the destruction of the engine
@rgthomson1 he likes to wheelie a lot. That creates a lot oil consumption depending on how often, how hard, and how high he does them and for how long he holds them up.
These bikes have an oil sight glass, takes 5 seconds to look. Hard to have sympathy.
@@astrostrotch eh shit happens to the best of us. We all make mistakes
H2 is ugly, ZX-10 is now ugly. I hope they learn before it becomes so unprofitable to produce these that they do not even bother.
I would get a new engine from Yamaha it would probably be cheaper
@K-so8gx not even close. New OEM Yamaha pricing is through the roof!
Wheelie too much destroyed the engine on the XSR I'll bet!
Scrap it
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It would have been nice to see the rest of the ZX 10 build and tune.
its actually my bike, picked it up Monday, its a beast! finished out at 190 HP & 80 on the torque , very smooth throttle and sounds absolutely amazing!
@@JasonFaiella All man where's the video. Thinking about getting 1 or gaxr 1000.
@@garydickson9669 ZX10R all day over the GSXR, i traded my 23 GSXR for the ZX10R , Eric did my GSXR work also it was at 182 HP after full brocks and tune. dont get me wrong i loved my GSXR however for overall power and comfort features, ZX10R all day