I really love the scene of Enterprise flying around Shinzon's ship, just unloading a shitfull of weapons...and it reminded me of birds attacking one big bird.
Good: Good Acting, Interesting Ideas, Some Epic Action and Battle Sequences, Nice Visuals, Good Music Bad: Recycled Plot, Dour Tone, Inconsistencies with TV Show, Excessive Action
That phaser sweep? Fastest phaser rate of fire I've seen yet (apart from JJ's Treks). If they fired that fast in every film, they would win every. Single. Battle.
@colorado121 there’s about 50m of the 4 or 5 deck saucer at that area that got crushed. The phaser strips are near there and a bunch of escape pods are also located up there too. The aux deflector array also lives here too. Even at battle stations it would be a stretch to think no one would be in the front somewhere. Whilst just missing getting crushed, sick bay is about halfway between the bridge and the front so that’s getting a bit close for comfort for all the poor crewmembers currently injured.
This would of been a better movie if Lever Burton was allowed to direct it, Shame they went with a person who made his name as a action movie editor instead of someone knowing the series
This film could have been something. Instead, character development scenes were broomed in favor of focusing on the (admittedly epic) battle between the Enterprise and the Scimitar. Just proves that Trek films work best when the director knows the series.
The movie was crap, but I'll say this, they did a really good battle sequence in this one. None of the ships were gimped on purpose for "drama" (like ST3, ST6, Generations, and Insurrection), and they show the full movement and capabilities of combat that we rarely see in the movies.
I would have preferred to have seen 3 Romulan ships instead of just 2. Oh and I forgot to mention on my rant that there should have been a scene based on the Federation Council, where Ambassador Worf argues the merit of offering an olive branch to the Romulans. He should have been depicted as an Ambassador, wearing the appropriate attire, being on board the Enterprise specifically for the voyage to Batazed. Only changing to Starfleet uniform when Picard requests his reinstatement in Starfleet.
The Enterprise in III wasn't gimped like the D was in Generations. Kirk had no way of knowing of Klingon menace on route to Genesis, and once he was in the heat of conflict and the Enterprise crippled with no way back, did what he could to neutralize the threat. It was a last ditch effort to save his crew. Generations had an antiquated Klingon warbird overpower a Galaxy class starship and despite being able to fire a full barrage of torpedos and phasers at a single time at various parts of the series, could not do the same against this bird and with superior firepower couldn't penetrate their shields? Not only that but they had to struggle to move out of orbit. This was a sloppy continuity ignorant way of ending the D.
Not sure I agree on this one... in a ship pretty much desiged to be able to take on combat duties, they mystically "ran out of torpedoes" just as they were starting to make some headway. We clearly saw that once enterprise was able to actually "see" the scimitar they could cause quite considerably impact in a short space of time. Only to run out of weapons because it suited the plot to do so. We didn't once get to see enterprise E actually kick ass like it was designed to. as you say, in insurrection, they spent more time running away and getting hit than just turning round and throwing down, which no doubt would have worked better. Ent E could have torn a hole through those son'a ships.
@@trans8010 correct. The destruction of 1701-D had more to do with real-world concerns and studio executive decisions than anything else. The destruction of the original Enterprise was intended to provide an emotional impact to the story of TSFS.
Oooh, the dune buggies and military vehicles that SHOULD have been in Star Trek V: The Final Frontier! The Scimitar itself was a mess, it should have been a more simpler looking ship. The back story should have been that this would have been the Romulans' ultimate weapon against the Dominion, but the war ended sooner than foreseen, so they simply shelved the project (fearing that their "allies" would find out and it would shift the balance in the Alpha Quadrant, or simply get them angry for not being notified). Shinzon rallies the support of the Remans and together they complete the ship, then of course stage the coup d'tat on Romulus. Ok, so they tried to explain how Shinzon is supposed to have become the doppelganger of Picard around the late TNG era. Well simply explain the fact that the Romulans gained a sample of Picard's DNA a Cardassian named Gul Madred. They used this to form Shinzon at the age of a child, where he would undergo training to prepare himself to become Picard. Temporal genetic engineering would have sped up the aging process, but of course this never happened due to the project being shelved. The child Shinzon was sent to Remus, as opposed to being killed (and therefore removing any trace of the failed project). He only regains some favor when he serves as a general during the Dominion War. The reason his life is failing of course is due to the fact that the so-called temporal genetic engineering never took place (or completed), Shinzon is simply deteriorating. The Romulan ships at the battle scene should have been 3! Ok, so you colour one brown to distinguish it from the one the Romulan leader is on, but by having 3, you can show 1 green lead ship, with 2 brown ones! Romulans usually arrive when not in a fleet, in 3! There should have been a flashback when Data fires on the main weapon (which was overtly complex to deploy anyways), showcasing a myriad of moments from TNG and the previous films, a montage, lasting 3-5 minutes, which of course Data experiences in the real-time countdown of a couple of seconds. The ending should have been the deleted scene, it would have been a light and fitting end to the whole movie. A decent ending to the TNG era, but it could have been much more.
+LordDavid04 Why did you mention Gul Madred? What does he have to do with anything? I didn't understand a single thing you said about the brown green three fleet leading romulan ships. A flashback of Data moments would have been total bullsh*t (especially one that lasts 5 MINUTES!). I agree with everything else, and I really like your proposal for the backstory of the Scimitar.
Stanimir Georgiev Gul Madred in Chain of Command took a blood sample of Picard. The Romulans could have acquired this sample to begin producing their Picard clone. The 2 Romulan ships being green and brown (to identify the lead ship) could easily be avoided if it were 3 vessels (2 green and 1 brown lead ship). The use of 2 colours just seemed a little corny, we don't really need to differentiate the 2 ships, as most observant viewers can identify which is which anyways. But if it were a must, I would have gone with 3 Romulan ships. Data's flashback doesn't have to be 5 mins, but the general idea is that with the several seconds countdown, Data processes much of his memories. Perhaps it doesn't need to be 5 mins, but you get the general idea of a whole lifetime shown in what would be real time of several seconds.
LordDavid04 Now I understand why you mentioned Gul Madred. I never noticed that the Valdore/Norexan warbirds were coloured differently before. I understand why they coloured them differently - so that we can distinguish them, but I don't see the point inuniverse. I agree with you on Data's flashback. Thanks for the answer.
Only just seen your essay. But you could of edited it by now. Romulans don't always turn up in 3s. eg TNG episodes The Defector. It was 2 ships. Against a Klingon task force protecting the Enterprise. There are others.
Aloha732 You are worried for good reason. Already, we've seen -a bizarre and fugly lightsaber -a weird podracer thingy that bears his trademark boxiness and needlessly large proportions, -the fact that he decided to make the dish on top of the Millenium Falcon a weird and ugly rectangular shape instead of it's far more attractive rounded original. In a world where so many directors get everything wrong about movies except pretty CGI, he has the bizarre tendency to get the a lot of the difficult stuff right (casting, good performances from actors), but totally drops the ball on the lowest hanging fruit stuff that there is -- like making something pretty. He's a deeply, deeply frustrating director. I wish he'd stop making big special effects flicks and go back to his roots and do something like Alias again. THAT was what he was good at.
Ryeguy123a Ewww, he did change the Millennium Falcon's dish. I didn't notice that before. Yuck. It never ceases to amaze me personally how one slight change can ruin something iconic and yet directors, highly talented, praised, and PAID directors make those changes. And what's with that stupid lightsaber anyway? One wrong move and one of those little light things goes right in him. I like the new Stormtrooper helmets, I like the look of the X-Wings, otherwise everything looks older, including that pod thing you were talking about. People complain about the prequels but if there's one thing George Lucas got 100% right, it was that everything looked great.
Janeway came back to earth in 2378. This movie takes place in 2379. The tech would be experimented on and looked at and Voyager is still being recorded of all the living hell that she went through
@@pooppoop6546 Voyager's armor technology from the future allowed them to replicate ablative armor in real time during combat. Presumably, as the topmost layer of armor was destroyed, a replacement layer would be replicated instantly its place. The Enterprise E was covered in multiple layers of ablative armor far more enduring than standard Starfleet duranium-tritanium armor (which itself was extremely strong), but could not be replaced after it was destroyed except by lengthy repairs or a visit to a starbase.
It’s never really talked about just how fast the Scimitar must be. The Sovereign is up there with the fastest in the Federation yet the vastly bigger Scimitar ran it down with no real issue.
This movie and A Night in Sickbay are really what killed the Adventure theme Star Trek, the new stuff is all about action. I can’t complain, because it is still cool if you really get to know it and not be a boomer about it, but I really wish there was more story that followed the same kind of production style.
The Enterprise having about 5 quantum torpedoes and loads of photon torpedoes makes no sense. Quantums were well established by then and where even used in First contact. You would assume the Federation flag ship would be full of quantum torpedoes. [/nerd]
This ship was designed for major tactical engagements including the Borg; I'm sure they have far more than 5 quantum torpedoes. Not every torpedo will be shown in the film, as that would be incredibly boring. I can see how'd they'd exhaust their compliment. They are fighting a ship that can fire while cloaked and shielded. One would miss the target and waste far more munitions fighting an invisible ship than one would against a conventional battleship.
As they say on the Generations movie. Everything to do with ships maintenance gets installed on Tuesday. Even the medical staff arrive on a Tuesday. 😂😁 Weddings are normally Saturday. So they left on Sunday. They couldn't get reloaded in time.
Reman Warbird Scimitar versus Super Star Destroyer! Who would win? I'm betting my money on the Reman Warbird Scimitar winning because she is much faster and more maneuverable, heavily armed with 52 pulse Disruptor banks, 27 photon torpedo bays, heavily shielded [if one shield eventually fails another takes over], has a hanger bay full of hundreds of Scorpion attack fighters, equipped with a cloaking device (The Scimitar's cloaking technology was, in the words of Geordi La Forge, "perfect." It emitted no tachyons and left no residual anti-protons, the two ways that a cloaked ship could be tracked and located. Thus, when cloaked, the Scimitar was virtually impossible to find. Only a chance hit by an opposing ship's weapons or by targeting where the Scimitar's shots came from could reveal its location, temporarily disrupting the cloak. The Scimitar could even deploy its weapons and deflector shields and travel at high warp speeds while cloaked, actions which, with less-advanced cloaking technology, necessitated de-cloaking or reduced the effectiveness of cloaking. Its maximum warp factor when cloaked was more than that of Starfleet's Sovereign-class starship.) and is also equipped with a very powerful/deadly Thalaron cascading biogenic pulse weapon that can wipe out organic lifeforms on a ship or onto a planet.
I answered to your above question regarding the Scimitar vs an Imp Star Destroyer. The outcome here is the same, with or without Scimitar's deadly cloak/fire/shield abilities. The Scimitar would simply decimate the SSD from outside the Imperial command ship's range. The battle is even shorter if the Scimitar decides to attack the SSD's bridge deflector shields, which Trek ship sensors are more than advanced enough to detect.
That would not be a fight, but a slaughter. The Scimitar wouldn't even need its ability to fire and shield while cloaked or half its weapons (52 disruptors, 27 torpedo photon/plasma torpedo launchers). The firepower, shield defenses, maneuverability, and weapon range advantage of Federation-peer ships is way too much for Imperial starships to match. In my opinion, the Scimitar would destroy the Star Destroyer before the Imperials could get in range or scramble fighters.
@@pooppoop6546Yes, but the ISD's weapons are far weaker than its Trek counterpart, and the ISD has far lesser range and demonstrably poor targeting. How would it hit a ship that can shield itself, fire while cloaked, maneuver and travel with far greater speed, and do so all from outside Imperial range?
The scimitar can fire its thalaron and firing it's thalaron weapon while cloaked would killed everyone on the star destroyer. It's weapon was designed to kill everyone on a planet. So it would win. Remember he wanted Picards blood that's the only reason why the enterprise survived. They needed an Achilles heel in the film So that TNG good guys would find a way to win. The only 1 who would maybe survive that might be dark helmet himself. He wears his black hazmat suit. But his breathing makes me think that he may have coronavirus. They say it effects your breathing and your ability to move. I've never seen him run. And maybe his suit was to protect others. But with everyone else now dead. Destroying the star destroyer would be just a matter of time. A Star treks Scimitar Win.
@@Acrosurge I strongly agree. The Jem'Hadar Battleship, V'Ger, Klingon Negh'Var class, and also the Species 8472 Bioships would also give a fleet of Star Destroyers a run for their money.
Bypassing the shields and breaking transparent aluminum windows like its regular glass? that shit now exists in the real world and 1 inch is enough to stop 50 cal AP rounds. Yet it breaks so easily in sci-fi.
HD5830Gamer Erm. Except a blast with the power of a nuclear bomb hit that screen. It IS tough.just not that tough. Hell hull plating in general isnt usually up to defending against direct strikes. With exceptions of ablative armour and to an extent polarised hull plating (using energy to harden to 100s of times the norm)
Well, in this case, Trek weapons are quite a bit more potent than 50 cal AP rounds, being able to completely vaporize armored targets and all. I'd imagine TA also wouldn't hold up too well against relativistic projectiles; simply packing way more kinetic energy than any of today's weapons.
as disappointing of a send off and movie this was (even back in the days when I watched it at 7-8) they did a fantastic job with the models, textures and battle scenes. It's exactly like a dog fight in the wars or something, except in space! The models are in fact the best in the star trek series, and I dont just say that because it's a more modern one, because imo it's even better than star trek 11-13 while I do agree, like that of star trek VI, I do wish the TNG crew could've had one more movie and chance for a great send off, but it was not so. However knocking Abrams is stupid, just because the ships dont look like they used to (get used to the times) doesn't mean it's bad. In fact he's kept the design of the Enterprise A, made a lot more modern and better looking than the ugly TOS Enterprise (non TOS movies at least) rebooted the series with many emotional and groundbreaking scenes and did a good job making a wrath of Khan remake, but in a modern and in some ways, darker concept. Abrams has kept a lot of the old things we love in star trek, but modernised it and added a few of his own touches (fairly minor ones) so what do you have to whine about? Either way, Picard and his crew will always be in my heart, just like Cisco, Arrow, Janeway and both Kirk timeline's crew. They truly are legendary in their own way
I was really disappointed with how they treated the Enterprise in the Abrams movies, we never got any real space battles and they simply destroyed it for the sake of having it as a plot device.
Hi, I've just watched all your TNG movies (ships only), just wanted to say I love them, I've always wanted to see a video of just the ships from these movies, as I really only watch for the ships anyway. So thanks for a bit of wish fulfilment ! Great work with the editing, must have taken hours !!
Good lord that Scimitar was the goofiest, clunkiest, kit-bashiest ship ever. I wish they had thought of a more original design rather than recycling a jem'hadar battleship design and sticking spines and fins and protrusions all over it.
Controversial I know, but I think the Enterprise E looks like sin. Never liked the underside of the saucer, the way the nacelles just pertrude from the ship like oblong spikes, how frankly scary and bulky the stern of the saucer section is... None of it
Since I was a kid I have always loved Star Trek, but the latest rendition - Discovery, I am going to avoid. I've been put off by Hollywood productions in recent years ever since they started becoming more about preaching PC and social justice ideology. They should just tell a story, not a political message. I fear that Discovery will contaminate my lifetime of sentiments about what made Star Trek great.
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My gosh the Enterprise E is such a majestic freaking thing
The USS Enterprise NCC-1701 E "Sovereign" class is still my Number #1 favorite Federation Starship!
Agreed!
I kinda like the Mogai warbirds.....
...Afirmative
I really love the scene of Enterprise flying around Shinzon's ship, just unloading a shitfull of weapons...and it reminded me of birds attacking one big bird.
I really liked the warping effect in this one.
Good: Good Acting, Interesting Ideas, Some Epic Action and Battle Sequences, Nice Visuals, Good Music
Bad: Recycled Plot, Dour Tone, Inconsistencies with TV Show, Excessive Action
It's actually amazing the Enterprise E could take a beating and give one to a far better spec'ed out ship. The Enterprise E is a beast.
Even copped a kinetic hit to the saucer and left nacelle from probably 50000 tonnes of romulan Warbird and just bounced it off.
That phaser sweep? Fastest phaser rate of fire I've seen yet (apart from JJ's Treks). If they fired that fast in every film, they would win every. Single. Battle.
RIP to all those working in the front of the saucer section
@@theborgqueen6891 *Forward....haha yes totally. No evac orders or anything.
@colorado121 there’s about 50m of the 4 or 5 deck saucer at that area that got crushed. The phaser strips are near there and a bunch of escape pods are also located up there too. The aux deflector array also lives here too. Even at battle stations it would be a stretch to think no one would be in the front somewhere. Whilst just missing getting crushed, sick bay is about halfway between the bridge and the front so that’s getting a bit close for comfort for all the poor crewmembers currently injured.
I Love This Movie and All Star Trek
I hadn't realised until now how much space combat there was in this film. We were pretty spoiled really
This would of been a better movie if Lever Burton was allowed to direct it, Shame they went with a person who made his name as a action movie editor instead of someone knowing the series
+KD84Afc™ The very same man who insisted on calling Levar "Lavern"
This film could have been something. Instead, character development scenes were broomed in favor of focusing on the (admittedly epic) battle between the Enterprise and the Scimitar. Just proves that Trek films work best when the director knows the series.
4:09 Hang on, everybody! Sure hope the AG and Inertial Dampers don't fail! WOOOOOOOOO!
I love that the fact the Bloom hangs in the background of the warp shot for so long implies it's the size of a whole freaking galaxy.
The movie was crap, but I'll say this, they did a really good battle sequence in this one. None of the ships were gimped on purpose for "drama" (like ST3, ST6, Generations, and Insurrection), and they show the full movement and capabilities of combat that we rarely see in the movies.
I would have preferred to have seen 3 Romulan ships instead of just 2.
Oh and I forgot to mention on my rant that there should have been a scene based on the Federation Council, where Ambassador Worf argues the merit of offering an olive branch to the Romulans. He should have been depicted as an Ambassador, wearing the appropriate attire, being on board the Enterprise specifically for the voyage to Batazed. Only changing to Starfleet uniform when Picard requests his reinstatement in Starfleet.
The Enterprise in III wasn't gimped like the D was in Generations. Kirk had no way of knowing of Klingon menace on route to Genesis, and once he was in the heat of conflict and the Enterprise crippled with no way back, did what he could to neutralize the threat. It was a last ditch effort to save his crew. Generations had an antiquated Klingon warbird overpower a Galaxy class starship and despite being able to fire a full barrage of torpedos and phasers at a single time at various parts of the series, could not do the same against this bird and with superior firepower couldn't penetrate their shields? Not only that but they had to struggle to move out of orbit. This was a sloppy continuity ignorant way of ending the D.
Not sure I agree on this one... in a ship pretty much desiged to be able to take on combat duties, they mystically "ran out of torpedoes" just as they were starting to make some headway. We clearly saw that once enterprise was able to actually "see" the scimitar they could cause quite considerably impact in a short space of time. Only to run out of weapons because it suited the plot to do so. We didn't once get to see enterprise E actually kick ass like it was designed to.
as you say, in insurrection, they spent more time running away and getting hit than just turning round and throwing down, which no doubt would have worked better. Ent E could have torn a hole through those son'a ships.
@@trans8010 correct. The destruction of 1701-D had more to do with real-world concerns and studio executive decisions than anything else. The destruction of the original Enterprise was intended to provide an emotional impact to the story of TSFS.
Oooh, the dune buggies and military vehicles that SHOULD have been in Star Trek V: The Final Frontier!
The Scimitar itself was a mess, it should have been a more simpler looking ship. The back story should have been that this would have been the Romulans' ultimate weapon against the Dominion, but the war ended sooner than foreseen, so they simply shelved the project (fearing that their "allies" would find out and it would shift the balance in the Alpha Quadrant, or simply get them angry for not being notified).
Shinzon rallies the support of the Remans and together they complete the ship, then of course stage the coup d'tat on Romulus.
Ok, so they tried to explain how Shinzon is supposed to have become the doppelganger of Picard around the late TNG era. Well simply explain the fact that the Romulans gained a sample of Picard's DNA a Cardassian named Gul Madred. They used this to form Shinzon at the age of a child, where he would undergo training to prepare himself to become Picard. Temporal genetic engineering would have sped up the aging process, but of course this never happened due to the project being shelved. The child Shinzon was sent to Remus, as opposed to being killed (and therefore removing any trace of the failed project). He only regains some favor when he serves as a general during the Dominion War. The reason his life is failing of course is due to the fact that the so-called temporal genetic engineering never took place (or completed), Shinzon is simply deteriorating.
The Romulan ships at the battle scene should have been 3! Ok, so you colour one brown to distinguish it from the one the Romulan leader is on, but by having 3, you can show 1 green lead ship, with 2 brown ones! Romulans usually arrive when not in a fleet, in 3!
There should have been a flashback when Data fires on the main weapon (which was overtly complex to deploy anyways), showcasing a myriad of moments from TNG and the previous films, a montage, lasting 3-5 minutes, which of course Data experiences in the real-time countdown of a couple of seconds.
The ending should have been the deleted scene, it would have been a light and fitting end to the whole movie.
A decent ending to the TNG era, but it could have been much more.
+LordDavid04 Why did you mention Gul Madred? What does he have to do with anything? I didn't understand a single thing you said about the brown green three fleet leading romulan ships. A flashback of Data moments would have been total bullsh*t (especially one that lasts 5 MINUTES!). I agree with everything else, and I really like your proposal for the backstory of the Scimitar.
Stanimir Georgiev
Gul Madred in Chain of Command took a blood sample of Picard. The Romulans could have acquired this sample to begin producing their Picard clone.
The 2 Romulan ships being green and brown (to identify the lead ship) could easily be avoided if it were 3 vessels (2 green and 1 brown lead ship). The use of 2 colours just seemed a little corny, we don't really need to differentiate the 2 ships, as most observant viewers can identify which is which anyways. But if it were a must, I would have gone with 3 Romulan ships.
Data's flashback doesn't have to be 5 mins, but the general idea is that with the several seconds countdown, Data processes much of his memories. Perhaps it doesn't need to be 5 mins, but you get the general idea of a whole lifetime shown in what would be real time of several seconds.
LordDavid04 Now I understand why you mentioned Gul Madred.
I never noticed that the Valdore/Norexan warbirds were coloured differently before. I understand why they coloured them differently - so that we can distinguish them, but I don't see the point inuniverse.
I agree with you on Data's flashback.
Thanks for the answer.
If the sad is capable of landing one shot and then following up tons more shots they could win
Only just seen your essay. But you could of edited it by now.
Romulans don't always turn up in 3s. eg
TNG episodes The Defector. It was 2 ships. Against a Klingon task force protecting the Enterprise. There are others.
I think they finally nailed the warp jumps in this film. No clumsy looking stretchy effect, Just an impulse turn and them boom, at warp speed.
Enterprise E beats the hell out of Abrams monstrosity.
Abrams loves to make things look ugly and nonsensical. It's bizarre.
Ryeguy123a I know right? That's why I'm kind of worried about the new Star Wars.
Aloha732 You are worried for good reason.
Already, we've seen
-a bizarre and fugly lightsaber
-a weird podracer thingy that bears his trademark boxiness and needlessly large proportions,
-the fact that he decided to make the dish on top of the Millenium Falcon a weird and ugly rectangular shape instead of it's far more attractive rounded original.
In a world where so many directors get everything wrong about movies except pretty CGI, he has the bizarre tendency to get the a lot of the difficult stuff right (casting, good performances from actors), but totally drops the ball on the lowest hanging fruit stuff that there is -- like making something pretty.
He's a deeply, deeply frustrating director. I wish he'd stop making big special effects flicks and go back to his roots and do something like Alias again. THAT was what he was good at.
Ryeguy123a Ewww, he did change the Millennium Falcon's dish. I didn't notice that before. Yuck. It never ceases to amaze me personally how one slight change can ruin something iconic and yet directors, highly talented, praised, and PAID directors make those changes. And what's with that stupid lightsaber anyway? One wrong move and one of those little light things goes right in him. I like the new Stormtrooper helmets, I like the look of the X-Wings, otherwise everything looks older, including that pod thing you were talking about. People complain about the prequels but if there's one thing George Lucas got 100% right, it was that everything looked great.
Ryeguy123a Well the Falcon did lose its dish in ROTJ (good work Lando!) so i guess it needed a new one.
To sad, they didnt use the ablativ generators and transphasic torpedos admiral janeway brought from the future.^^
Janeway came back to earth in 2378. This movie takes place in 2379. The tech would be experimented on and looked at and Voyager is still being recorded of all the living hell that she went through
Why would they need ablative generators parts of the ship were already covered in ablative armour
Knowing Starfleet and how they feel about the Prime Directive, they probably took that Technology and Locked it up.
@@pooppoop6546 Voyager's armor technology from the future allowed them to replicate ablative armor in real time during combat. Presumably, as the topmost layer of armor was destroyed, a replacement layer would be replicated instantly its place. The Enterprise E was covered in multiple layers of ablative armor far more enduring than standard Starfleet duranium-tritanium armor (which itself was extremely strong), but could not be replaced after it was destroyed except by lengthy repairs or a visit to a starbase.
That scene of the Enterprise leaving Romulus was sweet.
This is arguably one of the most comprehensive space battles seen. Too bad the storyline was so weak.
So many missed opportunities with this film...
The Enterprise, Mogai warbirds, and Reman warbird are possibly the most sexiest ships in Trek
You know what you should do - do this for all ships scene in a given season - so like one video for Season 5 of TNG. Or something.
Here is the part for you came from 7:20
Now for completion you have to do 2009 Trek and Into Darkness. :D
It’s never really talked about just how fast the Scimitar must be. The Sovereign is up there with the fastest in the Federation yet the vastly bigger Scimitar ran it down with no real issue.
the first star trek movie to use the majestic mountain logo and the last to feature tng cast
7:53- Umm.... somebody wanna go check on Guinan???
I Like This Movie
1:52 Doent this sound like its from Star Wars??
Whatever you think of the film, it did give us the Scimitar, which in STO is a beast to fly!
This movie and A Night in Sickbay are really what killed the Adventure theme Star Trek, the new stuff is all about action. I can’t complain, because it is still cool if you really get to know it and not be a boomer about it, but I really wish there was more story that followed the same kind of production style.
Enterprise E with phasing cloak against the remans. But the ability to fire while cloaked and weapons full usualable.
Well done Mr. Worf 5:40
You made up for those 6 shots you missed
Good luck 👍😊
The final confrontation the Enterprise E had =(
I kinda wish they'd used a Delta Flyer as their shuttle but also understand it wouldn't have worked for the car chase sequence...
The Enterprise having about 5 quantum torpedoes and loads of photon torpedoes makes no sense. Quantums were well established by then and where even used in First contact. You would assume the Federation flag ship would be full of quantum torpedoes. [/nerd]
If it was it would be easier for an enemy to steal one and make there own
This ship was designed for major tactical engagements including the Borg; I'm sure they have far more than 5 quantum torpedoes. Not every torpedo will be shown in the film, as that would be incredibly boring.
I can see how'd they'd exhaust their compliment. They are fighting a ship that can fire while cloaked and shielded. One would miss the target and waste far more munitions fighting an invisible ship than one would against a conventional battleship.
As they say on the Generations movie.
Everything to do with ships maintenance gets installed on Tuesday. Even the medical staff arrive on a Tuesday. 😂😁
Weddings are normally Saturday. So they left on Sunday. They couldn't get reloaded in time.
awesome, thank you!
I LIKW HOW PICARD JUST KILLED EVERYONE IN THE FRONT OF THE SHIP. "NO BIG DEAL"
Great video, thx !
The enterprise shot nine quantum Torpedos - you missed one shot
1:03 - 1:26
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the most sexiest ship design
@@dviessdelufwaluvwa6301 and it's done by 2002 cgi
Reman Warbird Scimitar versus Super Star Destroyer! Who would win? I'm betting my money on the Reman Warbird Scimitar winning because she is much faster and more maneuverable, heavily armed with 52 pulse Disruptor banks, 27 photon torpedo bays, heavily shielded [if one shield eventually fails another takes over], has a hanger bay full of hundreds of Scorpion attack fighters, equipped with a cloaking device (The Scimitar's cloaking technology was, in the words of Geordi La Forge, "perfect." It emitted no tachyons and left no residual anti-protons, the two ways that a cloaked ship could be tracked and located. Thus, when cloaked, the Scimitar was virtually impossible to find. Only a chance hit by an opposing ship's weapons or by targeting where the Scimitar's shots came from could reveal its location, temporarily disrupting the cloak. The Scimitar could even deploy its weapons and deflector shields and travel at high warp speeds while cloaked, actions which, with less-advanced cloaking technology, necessitated de-cloaking or reduced the effectiveness of cloaking. Its maximum warp factor when cloaked was more than that of Starfleet's Sovereign-class starship.) and is also equipped with a very powerful/deadly Thalaron cascading biogenic pulse weapon that can wipe out organic lifeforms on a ship or onto a planet.
I answered to your above question regarding the Scimitar vs an Imp Star Destroyer. The outcome here is the same, with or without Scimitar's deadly cloak/fire/shield abilities. The Scimitar would simply decimate the SSD from outside the Imperial command ship's range. The battle is even shorter if the Scimitar decides to attack the SSD's bridge deflector shields, which Trek ship sensors are more than advanced enough to detect.
If the scimitar can fire its thalaron weapon while cloaked would killed everyone on the opposing ship.
Reman Warbird Scimitar versus Imperial Star Destroyer! Who would win?
That would not be a fight, but a slaughter. The Scimitar wouldn't even need its ability to fire and shield while cloaked or half its weapons (52 disruptors, 27 torpedo photon/plasma torpedo launchers). The firepower, shield defenses, maneuverability, and weapon range advantage of Federation-peer ships is way too much for Imperial starships to match.
In my opinion, the Scimitar would destroy the Star Destroyer before the Imperials could get in range or scramble fighters.
Isd it has more weapons and a fast although weak fighter compliment
@@pooppoop6546Yes, but the ISD's weapons are far weaker than its Trek counterpart, and the ISD has far lesser range and demonstrably poor targeting.
How would it hit a ship that can shield itself, fire while cloaked, maneuver and travel with far greater speed, and do so all from outside Imperial range?
The scimitar can fire its thalaron and firing it's thalaron weapon while cloaked would killed everyone on the star destroyer. It's weapon was designed to kill everyone on a planet. So it would win. Remember he wanted Picards blood that's the only reason why the enterprise survived. They needed an Achilles heel in the film So that TNG good guys would find a way to win. The only 1 who would maybe survive that might be dark helmet himself. He wears his black hazmat suit. But his breathing makes me think that he may have coronavirus. They say it effects your breathing and your ability to move. I've never seen him run. And maybe his suit was to protect others.
But with everyone else now dead. Destroying the star destroyer would be just a matter of time. A Star treks Scimitar Win.
@@Acrosurge I strongly agree. The Jem'Hadar Battleship, V'Ger, Klingon Negh'Var class, and also the Species 8472 Bioships would also give a fleet of Star Destroyers a run for their money.
Bypassing the shields and breaking transparent aluminum windows like its regular glass? that shit now exists in the real world and 1 inch is enough to stop 50 cal AP rounds. Yet it breaks so easily in sci-fi.
+HD5830Gamer They dont bypass the shields. But I agree with you on the transparent aluminum.
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Erm. Except a blast with the power of a nuclear bomb hit that screen. It IS tough.just not that tough.
Hell hull plating in general isnt usually up to defending against direct strikes. With exceptions of ablative armour and to an extent polarised hull plating (using energy to harden to 100s of times the norm)
Well, in this case, Trek weapons are quite a bit more potent than 50 cal AP rounds, being able to completely vaporize armored targets and all. I'd imagine TA also wouldn't hold up too well against relativistic projectiles; simply packing way more kinetic energy than any of today's weapons.
4:07 kreyGasm
as disappointing of a send off and movie this was (even back in the days when I watched it at 7-8) they did a fantastic job with the models, textures and battle scenes. It's exactly like a dog fight in the wars or something, except in space! The models are in fact the best in the star trek series, and I dont just say that because it's a more modern one, because imo it's even better than star trek 11-13
while I do agree, like that of star trek VI, I do wish the TNG crew could've had one more movie and chance for a great send off, but it was not so. However knocking Abrams is stupid, just because the ships dont look like they used to (get used to the times) doesn't mean it's bad. In fact he's kept the design of the Enterprise A, made a lot more modern and better looking than the ugly TOS Enterprise (non TOS movies at least) rebooted the series with many emotional and groundbreaking scenes and did a good job making a wrath of Khan remake, but in a modern and in some ways, darker concept.
Abrams has kept a lot of the old things we love in star trek, but modernised it and added a few of his own touches (fairly minor ones) so what do you have to whine about?
Either way, Picard and his crew will always be in my heart, just like Cisco, Arrow, Janeway and both Kirk timeline's crew. They truly are legendary in their own way
I was really disappointed with how they treated the Enterprise in the Abrams movies, we never got any real space battles and they simply destroyed it for the sake of having it as a plot device.
didn't realize Tom Hardy played Shinzon
Nice ship all day👾👾👾
Mmmm...what about if all of a sudden Wesley Crusher came along in a Starfleet fighter and tried to stop the mess?? 🤔🤔🤔🤔😂😂😂😂
Wesley: "C'mon guys, let's just get along, whine whine!"
Picard, Shinzon, Donatra: "SHUTUP WESLEY!"
22 stars in paramount, ha? and SIS
Hi, I've just watched all your TNG movies (ships only), just wanted to say I love them, I've always wanted to see a video of just the ships from these movies, as I really only watch for the ships anyway. So thanks for a bit of wish fulfilment ! Great work with the editing, must have taken hours !!
Too bad they didn’t use the shield modulation to hide in a sun 😆
Good lord that Scimitar was the goofiest, clunkiest, kit-bashiest ship ever. I wish they had thought of a more original design rather than recycling a jem'hadar battleship design and sticking spines and fins and protrusions all over it.
I hate to say this, but I don't really care much for the Enterprise-E. I feel like I'm going to Gre'thor for saying that.
Controversial I know, but I think the Enterprise E looks like sin. Never liked the underside of the saucer, the way the nacelles just pertrude from the ship like oblong spikes, how frankly scary and bulky the stern of the saucer section is... None of it
3:50 realy ???? a spaceship whit a huge glass window.....so lame
Since I was a kid I have always loved Star Trek, but the latest rendition - Discovery, I am going to avoid. I've been put off by Hollywood productions in recent years ever since they started becoming more about preaching PC and social justice ideology. They should just tell a story, not a political message. I fear that Discovery will contaminate my lifetime of sentiments about what made Star Trek great.
#IoVotoNo to save Italy Senate of Republic in our Constitution
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Majestic is right...then we get the renamed titan a...enterprise g. . Ffs
Bic anyone's
Nice ships from a crappy movie